1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hamer, and this is at the Josh Hammer Show. Mobocracy, unfortunately, 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: has a long and sordid history in these United States. 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: It was Abraham Lincoln at the tender age of twenty 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: nine years old, and one of his most famous speeches 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: he probably ever gave the Lyceum Address in Springfield, Illinois, 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty eight. Abraham Lincoln said this. He said, 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: there is no grievance that is a fit object of 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: redress by mob law. In any case that arises, as 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: for instance, the promulgation of abolitionism, one of two positions 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: is necessarily true. That is, the thing is right within 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: itself and therefore deserves the protection of all law and 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: all good citizens, or it is wrong and therefore proper 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: to be prohibited by legal enactments. And in neither case 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: is the interposition of mob law either necessary, justifiable, or excusable. Unfortunately, 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: lincoln sentiment has not been heated in recent years. This 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: country was taken to the absolute brink in the Summer 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: of Love of Saint George Floyd or Late Martyr, which 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: began conveniently, as our tale may be, in the city 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: of Minneapolis, Minnesota, in the summer of twenty twenty the 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: George Floyd protests. At the beginning of the COVID nineteen scamdemic, 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: you had the George Floyd protests, egged on by Black 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: Lives Matter, the Grifter Marxist organization, as well as Antifa, 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: the domestic terrorist organization, committing vandalism, looting, arson, and all 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: sorts of property crimes to the tune of roughly two 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: billion dollars in property insurance claims. It was the largest 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: collective instance of insurance claims for these sorts of acts 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: for vandalism, looting, in arson, and so forth in the 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: entire history of the United States. The question that America 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: now faces here in early January twenty twenty six is 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: are we going to see it again? Is the exact 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: same thing going to happen? Because yesterday in Minnesota, which 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: is the latest instance of Donald Trump's ICE immigration law 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: enforcement operations, there was a lethal standoff between an ICE 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: agent and someone who Andy Know. The activist has described 35 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: as a queer activist, a woman who is now deceased 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: by the name of Renee Nicole Good. Rene Nicole Good 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: is a queer activist. She was thirty seven years old 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Apparently she gave a smartphone or a camera to her 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: spouse or to her partner to film the entire interaction 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: and at what was required to be a traffic stop. Instead, 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: miss Good refused to obey repeated commands from the ICE 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: immigration agents who were there in Minneapolis. She refused to 43 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: get out of the car. She refused to show them 44 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: their hands. Instead, she gunned the accelerator and whipped the 45 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: car around, and an agent, shooting in self defense, mortally 46 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: wounded reneicle Good. So for the past twenty four hours, 47 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,559 Speaker 1: Minnesota and Minneapolis particular, has been a tinderbox. 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: This incident happened about a. 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Mile from where George Floyd was killed in twenty twenty. Folks, 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: this is no way that a country can possibly be 51 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: run well. The Left has been engaging in from George 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: Floyd until now the Derek Chauvin sham trial also there 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Funny how all these things seemed to happen 54 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. They are engaging in repeated acts of loathsome 55 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: reprehensible moral blackmail where they put in ever hovering sort 56 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: of damocles over the American people and say, unless we 57 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: get our way, we are going to riot and sure 58 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: enough this queer activist, initially from Colorado, who had moved 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: to Minnesota, perhaps inspired by tampon tim Walls, perhaps inspired 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: by the Summer of Love of twenty twenty which started 61 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: there in the state of ten Thousand Lakes. Is this 62 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: going to be the next instance of anarchy? Ironically, ICE 63 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: is an agent's that exists to oppose anarchy. ICE and 64 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: DHS the departmental Madsecurity. More broadly, these are law enforcement agencies. 65 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: They exist to uphold and to enforce the rule of law. 66 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: Christy nome Flitzworthy, Secretary, was not mincing words, was clearly 67 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: coming to the side of the ICE agent who is 68 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: now under fire. Go ahead and watch, Chrissy. 69 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: No, you know, people need to stop using their vehicles 70 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: as weapons. This domestic act of terrorism, to use your 71 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: vehicle to try to kill law enforcement officers is going 72 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: to stop. And I'm asking the Department of Justice to 73 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: prosecute it as domestic terrorism because it's clear that it's 74 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: being coordinated. People are being trained and told how to 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: use their vehicles to impede law enforcement operations and then 76 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: to run over anybody who gets in their way while 77 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: they go out there and try to disrupt peace and 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: public safety, and Americans deserve better. 79 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: One of the big questions is also this, how many 80 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: more times is going to happen? It was that long 81 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: ago that a deranged left wing activist fired on an 82 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: ICE immigration facility in Dallas, Texas ironically tragically, i will say, 83 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: but still definitely ironically, killing multiple illegal aliens and killing 84 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: precisely zero ICE agents. How many more ICE standoffs do 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: we have to see out in California? By the way, 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: Minneapolis never would have been targeted for an ICE DHS 87 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: operation if there hadn't been a gargantuan fraud scandal happening 88 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: there in the Twin Cities. In the first place, Governor 89 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: Tim Walls and Jacob Fry brought this on themselves. Jacobry, 90 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: they brought this on themselves. This is attributable to their negligence, 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: to their malfeasance. The fact that this happened, that ICE 92 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: was called in in the first place, this multi billion 93 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: dollar sprawling scandal, primarily in the Somali diaspora community there 94 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities that we've been covering a gray 95 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: length on this very show. That is one reason why 96 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: this operation was necessary in the first place. The other 97 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: reason is zooming out. Even more broadly, the reason that 98 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: these ice raised, these ice operations, when we want to 99 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: call it, are necessary is because more generally speaking, there 100 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: are countless, countless millions of unvetted illegal aliens running rampant 101 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: throughout the American interior, thanks primarily to the Biden Harris administration. 102 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: So you know, Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota after 103 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: this happened, said that the tragedy above all is that 104 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 1: this was so easily preventable. And what he's basically trying 105 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: to say is he is basically trying to mirror what 106 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: the mayor, what Jacob Fry said, which is when Jacob 107 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: Fry said, get the f out ice of Minnesota. So 108 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: if you take the combined sentiments of the addle brains, 109 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: dim winded governor who's not running for reelection and the smiling, cheery, 110 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: similarly dim winted mayor Jacob fryinge, what they're basically saying 111 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: is that this could have been prevented if ice didn't 112 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: come into town the first place. They're right that this 113 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: could have been prevented. They're wrong insofar as how it 114 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: could have been prevent This could have been prevented if 115 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: the Mayor Jacob Fry, the Governor Tim Walls, the leading 116 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: congressman from the congressional delegation, they're in the Twin Cities, 117 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: such as the Somali representative herself, Illin Omar, if they 118 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: had all done their job and had made sure that 119 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: there was not rampant bilking and bamboozling and defrauding of 120 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: the American taxpayer happening right there in the Twin Cities, 121 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: this would have prevented ice in Old Likehood from going 122 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: in at this time. Earlier this week, when the Department 123 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Plupman's charity posted on ex Good Morning Minneapolis, it was 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: understood universally as a response to the Somali fraud scandal, 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: and the Smali fraud scandal had not been going on. 126 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: This bilking of billions of taxpayer dollars to fraudulent, non 127 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: existent childcare and daycare centers, the siphoning off and the 128 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: shipping overseas of some taxpayer funds, even to foreign terrorist 129 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: organizations like Al Shabab and Somalia. If none of that 130 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: had been happening, then Renee Nicole Good would still be 131 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: alive today. If the Biden Harris administration had not let 132 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: millions and millions of unvetted either potentially dangerous or outright dangerous, 133 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: more often the latter than the former illegal aliens come 134 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: across the border from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five. 135 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: If they hadn't let that happen, then similarly, Renee Nicole 136 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Good would still be alive today. I am so sick 137 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: of these comparisons of Ice to the Gestapo. 138 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: They've been doing this for years. 139 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: I remember when AOC was first elected to Congress in 140 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen midterm elections. He took off his January 141 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. It was in that very first year that 142 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: the John Lennon the Squad was in Congress that she 143 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: started comparing the then first Trump term immigration detention centers 144 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: near the border. 145 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: To concentration camps. 146 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: They compare over and over and over again, Ice, DHS 147 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: all these agencies to Nazisque totalitarian jackboots. At some point, 148 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen? At some point, 149 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: someone is going to think that he or she is 150 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: going to be the hero of the story if he 151 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: or she takes matters into his own hands and fire 152 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: shots at a Dallas. Ice facility, or try to take 153 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: a motor vehicle and run over an ICE agent at 154 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: some point, if you want to extract, late this further, 155 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: and it's not just about Ice, it's also about Donald 156 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Trump and the righte more generally. At some point someone's 157 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: going to try to assassinate Donald Trump. Oh wait, that 158 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: happened to in Butler, Pennsylvania. It almost happened again in 159 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: West Pond Beach, Florida. At some point someone is going 160 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: to try to assassinate a leading right wing activist or 161 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: campus speaker. Oh wait, that happened too. It was our 162 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: friend in Salem, Coledy, Charlie Kirk. This outrageous, hysterical take 163 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: it to the nth degree decibel level, shouting these histrionics, 164 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: this hyper emotionalism, these outrageous, hyperbolic comparisons to World War 165 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: Two era Nazi Germany. It has to stop. It all 166 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: has to stop. The moral blackmail has to stop. You 167 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: can't say that unless a law enforcement agency doesn't do 168 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: its job, then therefore, unless that if they do their job, 169 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: in other words, then you're gonna riot. A free republic 170 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: cannot endure like this. We the people are sovereignant country. 171 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: That's all of us. All of us are part of. 172 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: We the people, not just the the rabbid activist far left, 173 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: not just Tim Walls, not just Jacob Fry, not just 174 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: all of these goons. 175 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: Because the Antifa black Lives. 176 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Matter sentiment, this riot is anarchic sentiment which they're now 177 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: trying to make happen again. They're calling Renaine Nicole Good 178 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: a martyr. And to be clear, we certainly bewail the 179 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: death of any thirty seven year old mother on this 180 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: show that it's obviously is a bad thing. But any 181 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: reasonable person who viewed that video saw that she refused multiple, 182 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: multiple requests turned into demands to get out of the 183 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: vehicle and then try to use her vehicle not just 184 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: a barricade to prevent ICE from doing their job, but 185 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: also as a weapon. What Christy Nomes said there is 186 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: fundamentally correct. We cannot let the left get away with this, 187 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: not just with trying to turn Ice into a Nazi 188 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: era edifice, but this entire notion that they will take 189 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: the Countrige to the brink over virtually anything. It's their 190 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: rhetoric that is driving people crazy. Where are the leader 191 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: of the left to condemn it? Where are the leaders 192 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: to tone it down. Are there any statesment on left? 193 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Where is a Barack Obama? Anyone Barack Obama? 194 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: Aren't you home? 195 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: This is dangerous stuff because mob rule, as Lincoln had 196 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: to correct in eighteen thirty eight, is never, never, ever, 197 00:11:53,960 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: ever Okay. So the Minnesota story continues to be the 198 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: epicenter of the conversation, not just for the Somali fraud 199 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: ongoing scandal, for which I really really really hope that 200 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: there's going to be some justice sooner or other later, 201 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: but also now in this latest standoff between ICE and 202 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: between DHS. 203 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: Look, it's constitutional law one oh one. 204 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: Then, when it comes to federal law enforcements, which ICE 205 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: is one of the many agencies tasked with doing, it's 206 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: constitutional law one oh one that state and local officials 207 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: do not have to do, not have to assist, but 208 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: they certainly certainly cannot obstruct. This has been the problem 209 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: with so called sanctuary jurisdictions all along for the entire 210 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: roughly decade aka since Trump first took office, that they 211 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: have sprouted into existence. In fact, in many ways, the 212 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: entire notion of so called sanctuary cities, which along with 213 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: the poorest Biden Harris border, along with the Somali fraud. 214 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: These sanctuary jurisdiction is one of the many reasons why 215 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: illegal immigration is as bad as it currently is in 216 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: this country, which therefore necessitates operations like the operation of 217 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: Minneapolis that led to the death of Renainn. The Cole 218 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: good Santuary jurisdictions, if anything, are actually a neo Confederate throwback. 219 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: One cannot help a think back speaking of Abraham Lincoln, 220 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: who were just quoting a few minutes ago, One cannot 221 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: help a think back to one of Lincoln's arch foes, 222 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, the arch racist, arch secessionist, 223 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: and his theory of nullification that states can simply try 224 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: to nullify. 225 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: Federal law that they happen to not agree with. 226 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: The entire notion of a sanctuary jurisdiction reeks speaks with 227 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: the anti Bellum stench of John C. Califuna no South Carolina, 228 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: who found himself, as the Progressors like to say, on 229 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: the wrong side of history. 230 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: And they were repeating that yet again. 231 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: The leaders that are in Minnesota can't even bring themselves 232 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: to recognize who was responsible for this situation in the 233 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: first place. Jacob Fry, the Attle Brains mayor of Minneapolis 234 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: was on MS now refusing refusing to acknowledge the kind 235 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: of activists aka anarchists, that were responsible for the death 236 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: of Renae Nicole Good in the first instance. 237 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: Go ahead and watch this. 238 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 4: Should some images of what appear to be large scale, 239 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 4: peaceful protests tonight. In response, we have reporters on the ground, 240 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 4: of course, covering them. Tell us what the scale of 241 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: those are. What are you hearing about, what's happening on 242 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: the ground, How did they originate? 243 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 5: Well, look, I won't speak to the work that those 244 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 5: that have been organizing is doing right now. I won't 245 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 5: speak to that. What I will say is there is 246 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 5: a broad message that is going out and that message 247 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 5: is pretty clear, which is, don't take the bait. We'll 248 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 5: stand up for justice, will stand up for what is right. 249 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: And we also recognize what the Trump administration is trying 250 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: to do here because it appears that they wanted a 251 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 5: moment like this. 252 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: I mean, what is this guy smoking? 253 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: The side that wanted a moment like this is the 254 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: George Floyd anarchist left. They are jumping at the bit, 255 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: they are frothing at the mouth to have their next 256 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: George Floyd. And they want this so called Quiraqi stivists 257 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: who is now deceased, and again we be wealth. That's 258 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: certainly on the show. They want Renee Nicole Good to 259 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: be the next George Floyd. They want her to be 260 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: the next martyr. That's a side. Who wanted this, Mister Mayor, 261 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: do you think Ice wanted this? You think Ice wants 262 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: to take incoming fire and Dallas satas. 263 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: I think Ice wants to try to get a run. 264 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: Over by radical anarchist activists there in your city in Minneapolis. 265 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: Are you out of your mind? They're there to enforce 266 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: the law, if you're not trying to stir up national headlines. 267 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Is a law enforcement operation, and it's only because your party, 268 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, led in millions of unvetted, unaccountable illegal 269 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: aliens over the course of an entire presidency that were 270 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: here in the first place. So only because you and 271 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: Tim Wallas let this fraud's gonna go on, that your 272 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: city was targeted by Ice in the first place. It's 273 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: just so insane. Incidentally, the Ice agents who was forced 274 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: in an active self defense to wield his firearm to 275 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: kill Renee and Nicole Good, he was hit. The media 276 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: is our appointed he was hit by renainicle. Goods car 277 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: either not be hospitalized, So people like, oh my god, 278 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: we're not really sure if she was using her vehicle's weapon. 279 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: The dude was hit, he was hit, and he had 280 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: to go to the hospital because of that. Nonetheless, they 281 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: can't bring themselves to face the facts. If you thought 282 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Jacob Fried there was stupid, go ahead and watch this 283 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: from Ilan Omar on CNN. 284 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: What do you think about I's presence. 285 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 6: In your city? 286 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean ICE has been carrying out state sanctioned 287 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 7: violence in our communities. We have seen them terrorize so 288 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 7: many of citizens in the fifth District and across Minnesota, 289 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 7: and that has tragically led to this murder that we 290 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 7: all watched on TV. And so it is not helpful 291 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 7: for us to have ICE agents. I'm lawfully just carrying 292 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 7: out these ridiculous raids that are not resulting in an 293 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 7: any sort of arrests, that have no explanation of why 294 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 7: they are there. They are disturbing peaceful communities that are 295 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 7: just trying to live out their lives. And I join 296 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 7: our mayor and our senator in asking them to get 297 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 7: the heck out of our city. 298 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, peaceful people just enjoying their lives. That's a really 299 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: funny way of saying, a bunch of criminals and lawbreakers, 300 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: those whose very first act in this country was to 301 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: break the law, to commit a crime, to get into 302 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: this country legally in the first place. Incidentally, Representative Omar, 303 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: you speak of terrorizing, you actually know a thing or 304 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: two about terrorizing. 305 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: As the case may be. 306 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm oldough to remember this clipped the resurface of ilin 307 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: Omar talking about nine to eleven as an instance where 308 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: some people did something and now some people are just 309 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: bearing the price of that. 310 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: Oh really, is that really what happened. 311 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: We'll attract this story certainly, and coming up in just 312 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: a few minutes, actually, we're going to bring on Rich 313 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: Goldberg of the Foundation for Defensive Democracies to unpack foreign 314 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: events as well, because the situation of Venezuela and Iran 315 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: and both continue very much to heat up, as well 316 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: as some other geopolitical hotspots. Will touch all of that 317 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: and more, hopefully with Rich Goldberg in just a few minutes. 318 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: For now, though, just one other story that really caught 319 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: my eyes is at Donald Trump put on truth Social 320 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: on Wednesday evening, a very very very interesting statement. He 321 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: is calling for an end a ban on institutional investors 322 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: of asset managers like Blackrock, Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street, the 323 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: Big three assa managers of people like that, maybe even Blackstone, 324 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: the private ecty group. He's looking for a ban on 325 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: these companies from purchasing single family homes. This has been 326 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: a long standing debates kind of lurking there, simmering in 327 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: the backgrounds for many years now. You have the absolutest 328 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: lase fair purists who say that this is tyrannical, this 329 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: is an affronts to free markets. And then you have 330 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: those of us who are slightly more nationalists, maybe even 331 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: at times populist inclinients. 332 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: But think this is actually a really really good idea. 333 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: You know, you might missed it, but on yesterdays show 334 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: we had on the always excellent dyvoll Evin of National 335 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: Affairs and AI. We're talking a little bit about both 336 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: healthcare and housing, and what you've all, Devin sid is 337 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: that when it comes to housing, one of the most 338 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: obvious things you can do is really just econ one 339 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: on one one of the most obvious things you can 340 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: do to try to get prices in a more reasonable, 341 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: affordable place, especially for first time homeowners. Above all, what 342 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: you can do is you try to boost supply, you 343 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: try to expand supply. That is exactly that is exactly 344 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: what should be happening, and that's exactly what this policy does. 345 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: Look we'll see whether or not Donald Trump can actually 346 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: get this pass. I'm not entirely positive if this is 347 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: a company that you can do via executive order. Certainly 348 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: in congressional legislation would be helpful here, as progressional legislation 349 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: will be helpful when it comes to the tariffs, any 350 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: number of Donald Trump's other pressing priorities. But the point 351 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: is that if Donald Trump can get anything remotely resembling 352 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: this across the finish line, whether it comes to the 353 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: form of an executive order or in the form of legislation, 354 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: that will be a huge win for the American people, 355 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: because when it comes to trying to get people like 356 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: me to purchase their own first single family home, we 357 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: don't want to compete with the Black Rocks of the world. 358 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: What do they need all these single family homes. From 359 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: the first place, you're an ass manager, you want to 360 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: invest in commercial real estates and in corporate real estates. 361 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 7: Go for it. 362 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: Have a good time. 363 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: But why are we allowing Blackrock to compete with mom 364 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: and pop when it comes to be already struggling at 365 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: times dire housing market, especially for millennials and for gen Z. 366 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Above all, this is Donald Trump's economic populars instincts at 367 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: his very finest. 368 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: Frankly, we really would like to see a lot more 369 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: of that in the months to come. 370 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: If there's one thing that could salvage that could stave 371 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: off what currently look like strong economic headwinds for Republics 372 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: at the ballot boxes November, it is policies just like this. 373 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: Expanded health care access, expanded healthcare choice, expanded housing supply, 374 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: increase housing affordability. These are the kind of things that 375 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: we want to see a lot more of, a lot 376 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: more of between now and between this November. Some of 377 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: that will come by executive order, Some of that will 378 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: come via legislation. Some people will also come at the 379 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: state level. The White House Legislati Affairs Team should be 380 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: on the phone pretty much daily with leading red state 381 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: governors and rescue legislatures. What are you doing today to 382 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: make housing more affordable and health care more affordable and 383 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: more accessible for the American people? The publicians want to 384 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: have a strong transmitted terms. These are the kind of 385 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: policies they should do every day. We're now thrilled to 386 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: bring on Rich Goldberg, who is a senior advisor for FDD, 387 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: the Foundation for Defensive Democracies. Also most recently was serving 388 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: in the government over at the White House National Energy 389 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: Dominance Council. He was senior counselor there, but generally just 390 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: a very shrewd mind for all things foreign affair. Always 391 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: a pleasure to chat with you. Welcome to the Josh 392 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: ammershow my friends, thanks for having me. 393 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, you bet so. Rich. 394 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: We're talking in the first half of the show about 395 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: domestic issues, about this this standoff in Minnesota, but there's 396 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: a lot going on in the world, and most of 397 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: the rest of our show this week was focused on 398 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: global affairs, and we're not gonna let our foot off 399 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: the gas pedal, So I wanted to bring you on 400 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: talk about at least Venezuela, Iran, possibly a couple of 401 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: a couple of other geopolitical hotspots as well. Let's start 402 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: in Venezuela, as I mentioned there, you just finished a 403 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: stint and in the White House that's primarily focused on energy. 404 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: President Trun's been talking a lot about oil when it 405 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: comes to the recent operation and the fallout now in Venezuela. 406 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of moving parts to this. So there, 407 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: of course is the interdiction of drugs. There's the geopolitical 408 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: aspect when it comes to China, Iran, Russia losing a 409 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: key chessboard piece here in the Western hemisphere. What is 410 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: your basic take, not necessarily on on the operation itself, 411 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: which we've covered, but where things stand right now in 412 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: Venezuela and where you expect them to go on all 413 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: the above, drugs, oil, and the geopolitics of it. 414 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's super important for people to understand the threat 415 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 8: that Venezuela under the Maduro regime posed the United States. 416 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 8: The national interest at stake here, as you mentioned, this 417 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 8: is the playground for all of America's enemies in the 418 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 8: Western Hemisphere. It's where all of the greatest threats to 419 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 8: the United States converge. At the top was a narco terrorist, 420 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 8: and we use that term you've heard in the news, 421 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 8: narco terrorism. 422 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 6: What does it mean? 423 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 8: It means when you are involved in drug trafficking, you're 424 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 8: running a cartel connected to drug trafficking, which is financing 425 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 8: terrorism at the same time terrorism in the form of 426 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 8: Hesbola or the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps, Iran itself as 427 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 8: a state actor, all of them, by the way, in 428 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 8: Venezuela in bed with the Maduro regime, along with China, 429 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 8: along with Russia, providing military support of different kinds, economic 430 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 8: connection to different kinds. And therefore if they have a 431 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 8: base of operations to project power in our hemisphere, in 432 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 8: our backyard and move around the continent down in South 433 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 8: America and then move with the cartels into Central America, 434 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 8: really threaten our homeland, not to mention the drugs themselves 435 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 8: that are being pushed and trafficked and financed through Venezuela, 436 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 8: Attacking our borders, the migration issues that have come from 437 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 8: the collapse of Venezuela under that regime, attacking our borders 438 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 8: with people, all of that are great threats. 439 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 6: And so to be able to remove that regime and 440 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 6: do so. 441 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 8: Without a great entanglement, without some sort of great war, 442 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 8: without loss of life on the American side, is a 443 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 8: huge accomplishment for President Trump. Now the other piece of this, 444 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 8: of course, is that Venezuela happens to be one of 445 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 8: the largest, not the largest reserve of oil in the world, 446 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 8: larger than Saudi Arabia, and the mismanagement, the corruption, and 447 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 8: the same that have come along with the illicit activity 448 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 8: from the United States on for Chaves and now Maduro 449 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 8: have caused that whole oil sector to largely collapse, with 450 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 8: some oil exports still coming out illicitly under US sanctions 451 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 8: to some actors in the world, particularly China, but also with. 452 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 6: Sanctions of Asian plots with the Iranians. 453 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 8: A lot of these oil tankers that you've seen come 454 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 8: out of Venezuela being Iranian Revolutionary Guard core tankers, but 455 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 8: also you know, a gas industry, mining and minerals available 456 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 8: in Venezuela. Obviously a need to restore their electrical grid 457 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 8: and power in order to bring that country back to 458 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 8: where it once was. And US companies, US oil companies, 459 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 8: power supply chain companies, looking at transmission, looking at generation, 460 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 8: coal connections, all of this mining investors in companies. As 461 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 8: we think about critical minerals on the periodic table. With 462 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 8: everything going on between United States and China, all of 463 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 8: this has great value potentially for the United States and 464 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 8: of course value for the people of Venezuela who have 465 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 8: been repressed, uppressed, terribly brutalized by this dictatorship for so 466 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 8: many years, to be able to get their source of 467 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 8: income back and get their country back. The last thing 468 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 8: I will say, Josh is we should also remember at 469 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 8: this time, even as we're making a lot of moves 470 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 8: in the oil sector, and we're trying to take that 471 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 8: back so that it actually helps the people of Venezuela, 472 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 8: not the regime, while also putting America in a great 473 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 8: position long term to be partners with the new Venezuela 474 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 8: in their energy sector. They still have the same regime 475 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 8: and power, just minus Maduro and his wife at the moment, 476 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 8: now we hold the purse strings for that regime. We're 477 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 8: still holding up oil exports unless they comply with our demands. 478 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 8: That's their source of income. We're still stopping and interdicting 479 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 8: any drug trafficking going on. That's their other made source 480 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 8: of income. And the President said he would resort potentially 481 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 8: to another limited strike of some kind if the new 482 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 8: acting president, the former vice President Rodriguez, doesn't do what 483 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 8: we say. But there are other elements of the regime, 484 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 8: the Justice Minister, who doesn't seem to be going along 485 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 8: with what the president wants right now and has a 486 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 8: lot of influence in the regime. So there will be 487 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 8: a question from the Venezuelan people, from the Venezuelan diaspora, 488 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 8: and I think from Americans who want to see the 489 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 8: rule of law restored in Venezuela so that long term, 490 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 8: all of our companies going in there cannot have to 491 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 8: fear that another regime is just going to steal their property, 492 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 8: sees their assets as once happened. What is going to 493 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 8: happen to this regime. When is the transition from this 494 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 8: despotic drug and terror linked regime going to move on 495 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 8: to an election and have an actual free and democratic 496 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 8: Venezuela restored. That's a question that I think the administration 497 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 8: is going to need to answer at some point. 498 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: As you can follow Rich Goldberg on x at Rich 499 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: Underscore Goldberg a man filled with facts, including one that 500 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: I didn't even know. I didn't even know that Venezuela 501 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: had a larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia or any 502 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: country in Opek or the world. 503 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: That's actually something that I learned today. So thank you 504 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: very much for that, Rich. 505 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 8: One. 506 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: Other questions on this before may we talk a little 507 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: bit about Iran as well. 508 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: Which is this? Which is I'm not mistaken. 509 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: I believe Russia supplied some some air defenses to Venezuela, 510 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: the S three hundreds, the similar weapon de air defenses 511 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: that were used in Iran during the Twelve Day War 512 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: last June. China certainly had made assurances to Maduro and 513 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: Venezuela surely before operation absolutely resolves jijimping, sending emissaries to 514 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: reassure Madua that they had their back. And yet again, Rich, 515 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: we've seen that this whole axis, this Russia Iran China axis, 516 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: it basically ends up being something of a paper tiger, 517 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: at least when it comes to these secondary parts of 518 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: the axis, whether it's Iran, last June or Venezuela. Now so, 519 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: I also just love your thoughts on the air defense 520 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: angle in particular. Really kind of just as the broader 521 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: act respect of Russia and China the kind of paper 522 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: allies of sorts, aren't they. 523 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 8: Yes, I think if you're Russia and you're China, you 524 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 8: now have two demonstrations of pretty much client states if 525 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 8: you will, in Iran and Venezuela having no way of 526 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 8: fighting back against the kind of advanced Western technology military 527 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 8: defense technology of the United States and its close partner Israel. 528 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 6: In terms of what. 529 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 8: Happened in Iran. In both cases, the S three hundred 530 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 8: air defense system of Russia was unable to counter what 531 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 8: the Americans did, what the Israelis did, whether it was 532 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 8: in Venezuela or in Iran. Chinese weapons on the ground 533 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 8: were no match for US special forces, and obviously the 534 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 8: mercenaries sent by the Cuban regime to protect Maduro and 535 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 8: try to keep him in power, many of whom died 536 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 8: in the raid to get Maduro, were no match for 537 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 8: US special forces in the end. So I do think 538 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 8: this is is quite the embarrassment for them now twice 539 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 8: within a year now. I would caution that the Russians 540 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 8: do have a more advanced missile defense system as our 541 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 8: air defense system that they have provided to Turkey, for example, 542 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 8: they have talked about providing elsewhere. It's called the S 543 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 8: four hundred system. That's why we actually have a problem 544 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 8: with Turkey and selling them the F thirty five, because 545 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 8: that our stealth next generation fighter jet there in the 546 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 8: F thirty five Joint Strike fighter shouldn't really be co 547 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 8: existing in an environment with that more advanced air defense system, the. 548 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 6: S four hundred. 549 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 8: But for what most of these clients THEYS have, the 550 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 8: S three hundred didn't do much, and it doesn't bode 551 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 8: well for the S four hundred either. 552 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: No, it definitely doesn't. 553 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: And I think, more gently speaking, just looking at the 554 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: geopolitical chess board, more gently, Rich, it seems to me 555 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: to be pretty clear that Donald Trump is is really 556 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: shoring up the let's call it the America First Alliance, 557 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: if you will, America and her like minded entries and 558 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: in every region throughout the world. 559 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: And on the other side of that this. 560 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: This other axis, China and Russia being at the top. 561 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: But certainly you mentioned Cuba, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, 562 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: other other rogue countries. You know, certainly they they look 563 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 1: very silly right now. And I guess, I guess it's 564 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: a question really as to how that exactly will manifest 565 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to the continued duration of the Russian 566 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: Ukraine War and conflicts like that. Rich Goldberg Folks is 567 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: the senior advisor for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. 568 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: You can follow him on x Rich on the Square. 569 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: Goldberg clearly a guy who knows a lot what he 570 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: is talking about when it comes to energy, when it 571 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: comes to geopolitics, and all of the above. Make sure 572 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: to stay with us through the break because we're going 573 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: to be right back on the other side with a 574 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: lot more from Rich Goldberg of the Foundation for Defense 575 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: of Democracies. So we're joining still here by Rich Goldberg 576 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy. So, Rich, I 577 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: want to pick up right where we just left off. 578 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Iran, which is one 579 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: of the players here of this axis that we're talking about, 580 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: a very close ally of Venezuela Iran and their Schiai proxy, 581 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: as Balla had a lot of infrastructure, military installation, and 582 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: so forth there Under the Maduro regime in Venezuela, Iran 583 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: is dealing now with some of the some of the 584 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: worst protests the regime has probably ever faced, maybe literally 585 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: the worst since the regime came into power in nineteen 586 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: seventy nine. Some of these images and videos that I'm 587 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: seeing are really quite shocking of these protesters taking over 588 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: police stations, just flooding the streets there. What is your 589 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: read as to just how serious a threat this is 590 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: for the regime itself. Most analysts that I see rich 591 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: seem to think that this is not a regime level threat. 592 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: But the Times of London, the British paper, was reporting 593 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: that Kameeni had a plan in place to possibly abscond 594 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: to Moscow with a twenty person in our circle. So 595 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to tell exactly what is fact, 596 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: what is propaganda? What's your basic take on the level 597 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: of threat to the regime. 598 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think important context for this new uprising breaking out, 599 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 8: and it is an uprising. It is spreading like wildfire. 600 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 8: The numbers are growing every day. Cities are around the country, 601 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 8: It spans all kinds of demographics. 602 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 6: The base what we would think of as the base. 603 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 8: Of the regime, very religious areas, whether it's middle class, 604 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 8: lower class, upper class. Everybody in Iranian society seems very 605 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 8: fed up with this theocratic, repressive regime and they want 606 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 8: them out. They're out in the streets. And what's actually 607 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 8: very new that we did not see in previous uprisings 608 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 8: is a figure who is emerging saying I will come back, 609 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 8: I will be your leader, and a lot of people 610 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 8: on the ground chanting for that person, very similar to 611 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 8: what we saw in seventy nine, as Holmany was trying 612 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 8: to get crowds to cheer for him to come back 613 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 8: out of exile and come and. 614 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 6: Overthrow the shot. 615 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 8: Now it's the Shah's sun Rezapa Lavi, the so called 616 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 8: crown Prince of Iran that is from exile now speaking 617 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 8: in social media and various platforms like telegram to Iranians 618 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 8: that can access it, even though the Internet is tightly censored. 619 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 8: There starting to say go out into the streets, I 620 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 8: am with you, I will come back. Here are some 621 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 8: chance to let the regime know that this is building 622 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 8: and growing and coalescing around a potential leader. I don't 623 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 8: know if that will continue to produce something. There are 624 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 8: people who don't support the baby shows he's called in 625 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 8: the West, but we'll see what happens there. The context, though, 626 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 8: is just a rapidly deteriorating economy more than ever. I mean, 627 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 8: we always talk about the real The Iranian currency is falling, 628 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 8: inflation is rising since the Twelve Day War last summer, 629 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 8: and the beautiful B two bombers hitting those nuclear sites, 630 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 8: and the sustained sanctions pressure from the Trump administration and 631 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 8: the renewed threat that more might come, plus the snapback 632 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 8: of UN sanctions, closing the door on any further talk 633 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 8: of returning to a nuclear deal, has let the bottom 634 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 8: fall out on the economy and we are in hyperinflation mode. 635 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 8: We are seeing just a complete collapse of the currency. 636 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 8: There's a water crisis where people have water shortages, there's 637 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 8: an electricity crisis with brownouts and blackouts going on. This 638 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 8: is really rock bottom so far of what we've seen 639 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 8: in many years of trying to bring pressure onto the regime. 640 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 8: And now people are coming out into the streets and 641 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 8: we'll see where this goes. The Internet is now being 642 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 8: shut down. Finally, we've heard reports of a rocky militias 643 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 8: controlled by Iran being brought in potentially to have Arabs 644 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 8: killing Persians instead of Persians killing persons, because maybe the 645 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 8: Persians actually within the rinks, even within these very radicalized 646 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 8: cells of the revolutionary guard core, the besiege internal security forces, 647 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 8: unwilling to pull the trigger on order against their own people. 648 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 8: That's usually a sign that a regime is close to collapse. 649 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 8: Now importing foreigners to do the dirty work, and we 650 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 8: have to see will these people in the streets organize better, 651 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 8: will they find arms, Will any outside actor, whether it's 652 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 8: President Trump or Prime Mister Ninta Yahu, take any sort 653 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 8: of action, whether cyber attacks or military action, to disrupt 654 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 8: those internal security forces or militias, blind them so they 655 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 8: can't communicate with each other, can't organize, and give the 656 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 8: people in the streets of fighting chance. We want to 657 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 8: make sure we're not overly pushing ourselves in there. We 658 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 8: don't want to be entangled on the ground. Certainly, it's 659 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 8: dangerous sometimes to pick favorites, pick winners and losers in 660 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 8: an opposition. So this has to be Iranian led, Iranian 661 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 8: one for the Iranian people. But there are things we 662 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 8: can do in the background to give them support more 663 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 8: than just rhetoric. 664 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: So that's actually exactly what I want to follow with Rich, 665 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: which is what exactly should the administration be doing here? 666 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: Rhetoric moral sucker. 667 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's basically the baseline baremn in there. 668 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 2: What more than that should the dedminstration be doing? 669 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 8: So Obviously, the President has already threatened or least suggested 670 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 8: that he might use military force against the regime in 671 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 8: some way if he sees them mowing down people in 672 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 8: the streets. We may reach that redline very soon. Usually 673 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 8: an indicator that a crackdown is coming is when they 674 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 8: shut down the Internet. That's usually followed by some intense 675 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 8: violence because they're hoping that the pictures will be delayed 676 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 8: in getting out to the Western world if they close 677 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 8: down the Internet access. 678 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 6: So we should be prepared for something there. 679 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 8: Now, maybe he means that he's giving a green light 680 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 8: to the Israelis to take some direct strikes. Remember at 681 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 8: the end of the Twelve Day War last summer, as 682 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 8: it was wrapping up, the Israeli Air Force actually took 683 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 8: out several key nodes of command and control for these 684 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 8: internal security forces, including in Tehran, a lot of casualties 685 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 8: that they sustained and infrastructure. They could potentially do that 686 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 8: again because Iran has no air defense back up and 687 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 8: running that we're aware of, and even if it is, 688 00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 8: it would be the same one that the Israelis took 689 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 8: out last time. The President could certainly do that if 690 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 8: he wants as well. But there are things in the 691 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 8: United States or Rizuel could do short of military action, 692 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 8: like cyber action. We know where these security forces organized, 693 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 8: we know where their headquarters are. You could launch a 694 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 8: cyber attack to shut down their communications, shut down their 695 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 8: ability to give orders and at the same time declassify intelligence, 696 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 8: provide some real time information to the people leading in 697 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 8: the streets to say, hey, avoid this block, go to 698 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 8: that block, go sabotage this, and as you're giving them 699 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 8: secure information and blinding the security forces from getting information, 700 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 8: you actually give the people a leg up. 701 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: Rich Goldberg again, Folks is the senior advisor for the 702 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Rich Coleman's left here, But 703 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: before I let you go, just one follow up question. 704 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: So primester to Tianaho was just in Florida. He met 705 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump at Marlaible Apparently he was a guest in 706 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: mar A Lago on New Year's even. There's been a 707 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: lot of rumors in the aftermath that they're clearly very 708 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: very warm embrace. One rumor that I saw was that 709 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: against It's just a rumor, but there's a rumor that 710 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: there are some folks in Trump's inner circle that are 711 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: encouraging Natayah who to launch a new operation against Hezbollah 712 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: in Lebanon, has Bullab, which is just a delta getting 713 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: another blow. In Venezuela. Has Bola had installations there in Venezuela. 714 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: All these things ultimately end up being connected. I'm kind 715 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: of curious. But before I let you go, what are 716 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: you hearing about the level of coordination right now between 717 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: Trump and Natiyah who about Hesbola potentially but also potentially 718 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: about Iron itself. 719 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 6: Yeah. 720 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 8: I think there's two threats emerging here. One of course, 721 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 8: is that the terms of the ceasefire between Israel and 722 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 8: Hesbola before President Trump even took office, was that Hesbola 723 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 8: would not allow further transfer of weapons into that southern 724 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 8: area of Lebanon, they would be removing all of their forces. 725 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 8: And of course we've seen them break that ceasefire almost 726 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 8: every day since then, and you've seen the Israeli Air 727 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 8: Force carry out target its strikes against envoys and weapons 728 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 8: and military infrastructure building back up with the approval of 729 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 8: the Trump administration to do so. We're getting to the point, 730 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 8: I think where you can't catch everything. Intelligence unless you're 731 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 8: on the ground isn't seeing everything. And so there is movement, 732 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 8: there is trafficking, there are things happening that may require 733 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 8: a more intense level of military strike by the Israeli 734 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 8: Air Force to push back Hesbela once again to where 735 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 8: they were back at that ceasefire. Towards the end of 736 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 8: twenty twenty four, and so we may see that happen 737 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 8: timely also for the Trump administration because remember Hesbela, as 738 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 8: we mentioned, deeply embedded in Venezuela. They're now scrambling with 739 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 8: their Latin America operations. You start hitting them back in 740 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 8: Lebanon as well, puts them under increased pressure. They can't 741 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 8: do anything really to help on the financing side as 742 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 8: we're sorting out what to do with the Maduro regime. 743 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 8: So there could be a side benefit there. And then 744 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 8: of course for Iran itself, continuing to put pressure on 745 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 8: their proxies is a good thing while the regime is 746 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 8: under pressure. And Riccali also probably had a conversation, as 747 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 8: we saw between the President and Prime Minister on whether 748 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 8: Israel would have to go back into Iran with a 749 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 8: second wave of attacks against the missile structure. 750 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: We'll have to see whether or not that comes up there. 751 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: But certainly all these pieces of the puzzle Rich, they 752 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: very much closely relate there. And there's really no one 753 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: bear to bring on to one pack at all than 754 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: Rich Goldberg. Again, folks, he's the senior advisor for the 755 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: Foundation of Defensive democracies. Follow rich on x at Rich 756 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: Underscore Goldberg, Rich my friend. We really appreciate you. 757 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 2: Sign by the show, you bet. 758 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: Pleasure is always folks. I'm Josh Hammer. We'll be right 759 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: back tomorrow