1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Much going on in the world, as always another horrific 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: transgender act of violence. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: We will get to that momentarily. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Mark Rubill continues his highly successful diplomatic 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: ventures overseas. Speaking of overseas, the latest meetings between the 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: terrorists regime in Iran and the United States America taking 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: place earlier today in Geneva, Switzerland. What is going to 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: result from this meeting, my guess, frankly, not a whole lot. 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: Lot's happening. As I said, Plenty of that in more 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: today's episode of The Josh Hammer Show, but for now 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: we begin with this. Will there be a Supreme Court 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Vacan see this summer is a question that I find 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: myself frequently pondering. And I'm pretty sure that I am 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: not pondering it merely because I am a lawyer by background, 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: and clerks and I feral court appeals and generally think 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: and care just a lot about the Supreme Court and 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: the Federal juicuary. No, I think that I'm thinking a 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: lot about it. If I can be a little medic 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: here for a second, I think that I'm thinking a 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: lot about it because there was a very very real 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: chance that it is going to happen. Frankly, looking around 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: the conversation inside and outside the beltwise, I am shocked. 24 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I am positively shocked that this is not something that 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: is currently being discussed more. Let's be clear, there currently 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: are a lot of folks on the left who are 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: talking about this. There are a lot of liberal legal 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: bloggers at all the usual suspect publications who are starting 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: starting to raise the possibility that maybe there will be 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: a Supreme Court vacancy. They've kind of been doing a 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: little of a whisper campaign, perhaps for weeks now. The 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: rationale for this is a little obscure, but my best 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: guess is that they think they think that by their 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: dim wit blogging that there is a small chance that perhaps, 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: just perhaps they can try to forestall or maybe outwit 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: one of the two more likelier justices of the Supreme 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Court to resign. Those justices would be Clarence Thomas and 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: Sam Alito. 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: So there are some. 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: Liberal bloggers that say, on the left to we're talking 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: about it, I don't really understand why they are. Frankly, 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: if you idiots think that you're going to somehow affect 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: the decision making process of heroes of the Republic. Clarence 44 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Thomas and Sam Alito than you, frankly are a heck 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: of a lot stupider than I or anyone else thought you were. 46 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: But there's very few people on the right talking about this, 47 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: and I find myself deeply, deeply surprised by that. The 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: basic situation is as false. Clarence Thomas otherwise known as 49 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: the single greatest living American, and that's what we call 50 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: him because that's what he is. His life story is 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: positively inspiring. He was the subject of a wonderful, wonderful 52 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: documentary film produced by Michael Pack that I saw a 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: handful of years ago, talking about his origins growing up 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: in the Jim Crow South, becoming the conservative icon that 55 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: he is. He is genuinely, truly a hero. But Clarence 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: Thomas at this time is currently seventy seven years old. 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: This June, June twenty third, he will turn seventy eight 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: years old. Far b f of me to tell the 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: greatest living American, one of the greatest justice in the 60 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: history Spreme Court, that he should retire. But it is 61 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: simply worth observing that this summer will mark three and 62 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: a half decades, Yes, literally three and a half decades 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: since he began his tenure on the U Supreme Court 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: back in October of nineteen ninety one, back when he 65 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: was a nominee of President George H. W. 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: Bush. 67 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: Similarly, sam Alido, who's my personal favorite justice at least 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to their actual jurisprudence, to their approach 69 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: to constitutional law and consertis interpretation and just judicial staycraft 70 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: in general, Clarence Thomas Green Living Americans, sam Alito is 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: my personal favorite juris reasons that are a little too obscure, 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: again into on today's show. Sam Alito is currently seventy five. 73 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: He will turn seventy six years old on April first. 74 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: He has been on the Supreme Court. This year marks 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty years, so it will be thirty five years with 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas and sam Alio just celebrated his twentieth anniversary 77 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: serving on the Supreme Court on January thirty first. He 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: was a nominee of George W. 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Bush. 80 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,119 Speaker 1: Recall, at the beginning, George W. Bush actually flood possibility 81 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: of nominating Harriet Meers, his deeply unqualified personal lawyer. Ultimately, 82 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: we back then there was a lot of backlash. I 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: was in high school. I wasn't involved with a lot 84 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: of conservatives freaked out about this, this whisper campaign. Ultimately, 85 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: we the American people, got Sam Alito, and what a 86 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: tremendous success that has been. 87 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: Now, let's just cut to the chase here. 88 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: I think the odds are very high, very high, that one, 89 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: potentially both of these men will resign this summer for 90 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: a handful of reasons. One is, do not overlook the 91 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: symbolic nature of their various anniversary tenures on the court. Again, 92 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas now this year will be on the court. 93 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: This is thirty five years this October. Similito just had 94 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: his twentieth anniversary. Those are nice, clean, crisp numbers. There's 95 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: something deeply symbolic potentially about resigning the whisper campaign. Furthermore, 96 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to Sam Alito, and I don't particularly 97 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: like to go in these sordid whisker campaign, especially with 98 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: someone in whose immense esteem ammen's esteem I hold. Like 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Samuel Alito, the whisper campaign for years now has been 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: that he was frustrated with his tenure on the court. Now, 101 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: as consernatives have started to win more high profile recent 102 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: cases in recent years, maybe those personal frustrations have dissipated. 103 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: But really just reading between the lines at some of 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: sam Alito's more fiery writings over the past number of years, 105 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: whether it was his descent in the transgender Title seven case, 106 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: the boss Stock case twenty twenty, whether it was his 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: descent slash concurrence, any religious liberty case out of Philadelphia 108 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: a few terms ago, wherein he devoted seventy five to 109 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: eighty pages calling for the overturn of a nineteen nineties 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: era statute or nineties era pressing sc you'd be called 111 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: employment diversion versus smith. Whether it's that writing or the 112 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: other writing, or this or that there, Sometimes you can 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: read a sam Alito writing and his frustration just kind 114 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: of leaps off the page. Furthermore, this is kind of 115 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: really what has gotten these liberal bloggers all excited. It's 116 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: worth noting that sam Alito has a book scheduled to 117 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: come out this October. The publication eight is October six, 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. To be clear, you absolutely can, and 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: many justice actually do write and publish books while they 120 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: are serving on the court. Amy Conie Barrett has done that, 121 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Neil Gorsich has done that. It's definitely not unheard of. 122 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: But the nature of the date. The Supreme Court term 123 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: goes typically from October to the end of June, first 124 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: week of July of the most so the fact that 125 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: this book, the book is called so Ordered an Original's 126 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: view of the Constitution the Court in our country, This 127 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: book by Sam Alido is going to come out on 128 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: October six. The October nature of that start date has 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: definitely attracted a lot of attention in the speculation circles 130 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: as well. But the myth and the prediction, possibility and 131 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: the reason why I think that at least one, possibly both, frankly, 132 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: but at least one of these men will resign this 133 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: summer is really Ultimately the final case is as follows. 134 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: The Republicans should keep the Senate this fall. It is 135 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: a midterm election year, though it is the first midterm 136 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: election since Donald Trump got back into office. And we've 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: already seen now in any number of other elections in 138 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: many many special elections throughout the country, including most recently 139 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: this Dallas Ford Worth area state legislative seat in Texas, 140 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: we see when Donald Trump is not on the ballot 141 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Republicans tend to underperform. That's just the reality situation. Now, 142 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: to be clear of the map is so good? Is 143 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: so good for Republicans in the Senate this fall in 144 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, that you would think that even the 145 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: Republican party, which, to paraphrase Abba Ebbin, the former is 146 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: rarely dipomatic. To paraphrase him, Republicans never missed an opportunity, 147 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: to miss an opportunity. But you would think that even 148 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: with this map, Republicans will not lose the Senate. However, 149 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: as we know from John steinback, the best kept plans 150 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: of mice and men often go awry, And indeed, I 151 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: think that there is increasingly a chance the Republicans actually 152 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: do lose a Senate. I don't think it's going to happen. 153 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Most prognosticators don't, but through the grapevine there is increasingly 154 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: another risker campaign from the NRSC and various other Republican 155 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Senate campaign organizations whispering that actually it really is a 156 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: possible ability that they could lose a Senate. 157 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: Who knows. I don't think it's going to happen, but 158 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: as possible. 159 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: So if you are a Clarence Thomas or a sam Alito, 160 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: and you're looking at that, don't you want to resign? 161 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: Where you have President Trump and a Republican Senate, you 162 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: have Republican control of the Senjudiciary Committee. Don't take it 163 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: for granted, by the way, that even if you go 164 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: through next January Republicans hold let's say they lose seats, 165 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Let's say is a fifty one to forty nine margin. 166 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: Really you want to bank on every single member of 167 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: the Republican Caucus continuing to vote for your nominees. But 168 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: you can't lose a single vote. Not a good wager. 169 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: Whether it's Tillis or Cassidy McConnell. Some of these guys 170 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: are retiring there. To the point is are there are 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: a lot of squishes, Susan Collins, Lisa mcowsie. You don't 172 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: want to bank on all these guys. John Curtis, the 173 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: new center of Utah, mid Ronni's replacing not exactly a 174 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: stall wark Conservative. 175 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: So I do think. 176 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: You're probably going to get a resonation at the end 177 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: of this term. That's going to happen at the end 178 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: of June, more likely in the first week or two 179 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: of July. That gives Republicans the month of July, probably 180 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: the first half month of the July, to solidify their 181 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: nominee and to develop a game plan. There is the 182 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: annual then August recess. This is a midterm election year. 183 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: Congress senators will go home to the districts, they will 184 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: campaign for re election there, and they will generally disappear 185 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: out of the swamp to go back home like real 186 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: normal working Americans. They will then return after late billion September, 187 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: if I'm right, and we will have a very high 188 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: profile or two sins, just sherry confirmation hearing that exact 189 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: calendar of that I just laid out. By the way, 190 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: is what happened to Brett Kavanaugh. So in the twenty 191 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: seventeen twenty eighteen Supreme Court Attorney you had Anthony Kennedy, 192 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: who resigned promptly after the term ended towards the end 193 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: of June, first week of July. Kavanaugh was fairly quickly 194 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: determined to be the nominee. They go home for recess 195 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: in August, they get back of September, and what do 196 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: we see, Well, we see the we see the Christine 197 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: Blasi Ford information operation of the century, and ultimately we 198 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: got Justice Brett Kavanaugh. That is more or less the 199 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: time frame, more or less the calendar of them to 200 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: talking about. Far be it from me again to advise 201 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: that Clarence Thomas or Sam Alito resign. They are the 202 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: two grace justice on the Supreme Corps by some order 203 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: of magnitude. Frankly, none of the three Trump nominees, whether 204 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: they're Justice Gorsitch, Barrett or Kavanaugh, are even in the 205 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: same conversation, arguably not even in the same stratosphere as 206 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: Ledo and Thomas. I am simply saying that if you 207 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: are being as risk averse and cautious as possible, that 208 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: this is as good a time as any for one 209 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: of potentially both of them to step down. They're not 210 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: going to live forever, as much we would very much 211 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: love them to both live forep That raises the obvious 212 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: question as to who is the nominee going to be. Well, 213 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: if you go to Calshi, which is one of the 214 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: betting predicting markets you see right now, the top three 215 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: listed candidates according to the betters, at least on this 216 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: one marketplace are Judge Andy Oldham of the Fifth Circuit, 217 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: Judge Multha par of the sixth Circuit, and Judge Jim 218 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: Hoe of the Fifth Circuit. I know all three of 219 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: these men. In fact, I actually clerked for Judge Jim Hoe. 220 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: I was one of Judge Hoe's first for Locklors back 221 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. He indeed is my personal preference. If 222 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: there is one vacancy on the court. Judge O years 223 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: ago clerk for Justice Clarence Thomas, So there is some 224 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: symbolism there of replacing Clarence Thomas with one of his 225 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: former clerks, Andy Oldham, for what it's worth, clerk for 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: sam Alito. So one with think that he might be 227 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: the odds on favor to replace sam Alito, if indeed 228 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Alito retires. Other names that are oftentimes down out there 229 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: John Sower. This list of General of the United States 230 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: may be Judge Aileen Cannon, one of Trump's favorites. Here 231 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: a districtor at judge in Florida. Plenty of other options 232 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: as well, but mark your calendar's, folks. I've been wrong before. 233 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: I've been wrong plenty of times. But if I'm looking 234 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: at the Senate math, if I'm looking at the actuarial tables, 235 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: and if I am just making a straight prediction, I 236 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: indeed am going to predict there's going to be a 237 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: high profile Supreme Court showdown in the US Senate roughly 238 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: around this Senate. Get your popcorn, because if I'm right, 239 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be an amazing spacticle on frankly 240 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: a huge political boon for Republicans in this midterm election 241 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: year as well. Just a quick finishing thoughts on our 242 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: previous conversation about the US pre Court how I think 243 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: that there's going to be a massive Scotist showdown or 244 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: two later this year. The final thing that I want 245 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: to just brief elaborate on is this is not just arguably, 246 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: I would argue, probably the best thing to happen for 247 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: the future of the Court, assuming and there's a massive 248 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: assumption that Republicans don't mess it up when it comes 249 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: to judicial nominations, as they have had a horrible, horrible 250 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: habit of doing for well longer than I have been alive. 251 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: But assuming that you go with some of these excellent 252 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: names Jim Hoe, Andy Oldham, John Sower others there, assuming 253 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: that yes, this is probably the best thing to do 254 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: for the long term future of the court, as amazing 255 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: as Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito are, but the additional 256 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: point that I want is briefly mbsize, is this in 257 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: this midterm election year when currently we see the headwinds 258 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: we see the headwinds Republicans are facing all throughout the country. 259 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: We had Eric Erickson on yesterday to talk about it. 260 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: Historically speaking, Republicans get shlacked, absolutely shlacked in their first 261 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: midterm election. Yes, the economy is looking like it's getting better. Yes, 262 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 1: inflation went down to two point four percent in the 263 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: latest support last week. Yes, jobs were growing abundantly in January. Yes, 264 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: energy prices are following plenty good indicators. At the same time, 265 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: you can't just overlook all the special election results happening 266 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: throughout the country. Republicans are essentially losing virtually every single one. 267 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: They're getting just absolutely shlacked in New Jersey, Virginia, all 268 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: these races that should have been closer, frankly than they are. 269 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: There is really not a better issue to gin up 270 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: Republican enthusiasm than a high profile Supreme Court confirmation fight. 271 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: In the twenty sixteen election, when the seat to phil 272 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Scalia who just passed away, was on the ball 273 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: that seems ultimately filled by Neil gorsicch In the exit 274 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: polls that you're in twenty sixteen, they showed that the 275 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court was the number one issue, number one that 276 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: got donchrom across the finish line over Clinton. A lot 277 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: of folks say he was immigration, the economy, foreign policy. Actually, no, 278 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: believe it or not, it was the Supreme Court. All 279 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: those other issues were close, but it was the Streme Court. 280 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: There are very few things historically that Republican voters care 281 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: more about than the Supreme Court. So the politics this, 282 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: frankly in a mental election year, also make a lot 283 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: of sense to me. Another news, another just horrific transgender shooting. 284 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: Horrific stuff happening in Pawtucket, Rhode Island yesterday. So a 285 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: man who we're not going to say his name is 286 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: a general habit of not saying the names of these 287 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: of these absolute horrific freaks on this show. This individual 288 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: decides to take a gun at a youth hockey event 289 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: and shot himself and his baby mama, his son's mother, 290 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: and then his son as well, and also injured three others. 291 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: This during a youth hockey game between two local Rhode 292 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Island hockey schools. The individual had had massive strife and 293 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: conflict with his father in law, who freaked out when 294 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: he realized that his son in law was starting to 295 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: identify as a female version of his name. There there's 296 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: this sick, twisted photo that's been going around on the 297 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: internet of this clearly mentally ill man wearing a dress 298 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: with a baby or as a fake bea both like 299 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: a doll cam Intell there feeding a milk bottle, and 300 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: here's the kicker, as if you need a kicker. It's 301 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: made the story even worse. If you look at this guy, 302 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: he's got like a whole Kolgan like massive fat wrestling 303 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: style arm. I think he's just overweight. You look at 304 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: some of these tattoos on there that are bulging out 305 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: of the fat. On his upper arm. There you see 306 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: a Nazi insignia. He has an SS logo like the SS, 307 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: like the Nazi killing squads, the Secret police, with a 308 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: skull and bones there. This is eerily, eerily familiar to 309 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: what happened in Minneapolis last August. So it happened in 310 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: Minneapolis last August. There's been so much out of the 311 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: Twin Stays minnesot you might have forgotten about that. In 312 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: last August was. There was a horrific shooting at the 313 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Nunciation Catholic School and church there in Minneapolis by another 314 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: deranged transgender shooter. And very similarly that individual who shot 315 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: the Catholic church. If you go back and you look 316 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: at at the manifesto and what the sick freak wrote 317 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: on the barrel of his rifle and stuff, there was 318 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot of anti Semitic, pro Nazi writings and musics. 319 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: So you know, look, Charlie Kirk, my late friend, Charlie Kirk, 320 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: referred to you hatred as a mind virus, referred to 321 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: it over and over and over again. There's something to 322 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: be sad for the fact that these clearly mentally ill 323 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: transgender individuals who are going to go on these rampages. 324 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: And this is the second such rampage basically in a week. 325 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: Just last week on the show, we're talking about the horrific, 326 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: horrific transgender shooting in the tiny rural community of tumblr Ridge, 327 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: British Columbia. An eighteen year old ex student, a dude 328 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: who thought that he was a chick, shot up the school, 329 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: killed his parents. Horrible, horrible story in British Columbia, Canada 330 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: last week, but increasing whether it's this terrible Riland shooting, 331 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: whether it's the Minneapolis shooting. There you see this connection 332 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: between the mental illness of gender dysphoria, something that again 333 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: and we will not hide this, we will emphasize this, 334 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: however much we need to do. For decades and decades, decades, 335 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders, 336 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: which is as we known as the guidebook, the bible 337 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: for the psychiatric profession America. For decades, gender dysphoria otherwise 338 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: known as psychologically thinking that you are the other sex, 339 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: that your gender does not align with your sex, to 340 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: use the Orwellian speak of modern gender theorists, for decades 341 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: and decades it went without saying. It was not even 342 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: question the DSM that gender dysphoria's mental illness. They have 343 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: since toned down the rhetoric on that, although ascus previously 344 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: here on the Josh Amber Show with What's interesting as 345 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: well is that you're now getting the AMA and various 346 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: other medical associations that are starting to pull back the 347 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: rains little bit. I see the proliferation of the successful 348 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: medical malpractice lawsuits. 349 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 2: So a lot going on there. 350 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: But the point is, folks, for decades, jenerdicephoria was recognized 351 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: as a mental illness, and we now see that when 352 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: used to come to the mental illness of jenerdisphoriaf which 353 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: we obviously have compassion and we wanted to get psychological counseling. 354 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: Mental illness is a real thing. It's a real, real, real, underdiscussed, 355 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: terrible thing there. It's really sad, and we hope that 356 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: everyone gets to help them get But it's not shocking. 357 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: Is my point that folks like the Minneapolis shooter least 358 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: August or the Rhode Island shooter, now, who's to comb 359 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: to the mental illness of jenderdysphoria and think that they 360 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: are something other than what they are? That these folks 361 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: also succumb to the mind virus of anti Semitism. Here 362 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: is the local sheriff in Pawtucker, Rhode Islands, speaking on 363 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: this absolutely horrific shooting at the hockey Rank earlier this week. 364 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 3: That's for the suspect. 365 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: Could you confirm for the subjects of male and female 366 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: if you've heard that it is a transgender person. 367 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: The acts of the making out. 368 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: In terms of so what I can say right now 369 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 3: that we have identified the person the sussec by a 370 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: birth name. The birth name was Robert Dorgan. We have 371 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: also learned that the person does go by. 372 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 5: The name of Roberta also uses the last name of Esposito, 373 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 5: but again that will be all confirmed throughout the cost 374 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 5: of the investigation as to this datus that really doesn't 375 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 5: have anything to do. 376 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 6: With the investigation. 377 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: So you clearly see there the awkwardness that the sheriff 378 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: is talking about, the fact they don't want to get 379 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: in the fact is another transgender shooter. By the way, 380 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: just to underscore how insane the whole transgender ism gaslighting 381 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: operation is there. It's only a little related, but we 382 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: want to play it for you. Go ahead and look 383 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: at this clip from Sarah McBride. You might have forgotten 384 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: that Sarah McBride exists first openly quote unquote transgender person 385 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: ever to serve the state. Cender tragically is out also 386 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: now in the US House. Here was Sarah McBride this 387 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: past weekend at the Munich Security Conference. 388 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: Watched this clip. 389 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 6: And a strong man's greatest asset is scarcity. When there 390 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 6: is scarcity in jobs, when there is scarcity of opportunity, 391 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 6: they pick boogeymen or in this case, boogie people, and 392 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 6: they blame them. 393 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, boogie people, because that's how normal people talk. 394 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: Boogie people. Look, I thought it's important to make a 395 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: light of what is otherwise a tragic situation. The point, though, 396 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: is this, this is not going to stop unless and 397 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: until we commit ourselves to stop bestowing societal legitimacy on 398 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: the notion of being so called transgender. Again, that is 399 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: not to say that we don't have compassion for the 400 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: actual Historically, DSM recognized mental malady of gendersphia. That is 401 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: very different than saying that it's okay to think you're transgender, 402 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: and it's actually even better than okay to go ahead 403 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: and chop off your gendles and think and do that 404 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: todd chemical castration, and you should be a hero rewarded. 405 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 6: No. 406 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: Historically speaking, some things deserve stigmatization. Stematization historically is a 407 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: very very very powerful tool for personal and social rebuw gnostracization. 408 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: It is a lesson as Anthon's Scalia himself go back 409 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: to the court topic. Scalia said over and over again 410 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: on his decades in the court that the rule of 411 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: law serves a powerful role when it acts as stigma 412 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: enforcer and rebuker. He was talking about the homosexuality debate, 413 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: sam sex marriage and all that there so too, though, 414 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: is it even more important today when it comes to 415 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: the so called transgender phenomenon, Unless and until we start 416 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: treating this mental illness, we're going to get more and 417 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: more and more of this as a tragic, tragic reality. Folks, 418 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: stay by us through the break. We'll be right back 419 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: more than the other side. Welcome back, Brok Rubio continuing 420 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: his journey through the European confidence so he gave this 421 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: absolute barn burner of a speech at them Meniasecurity conference 422 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: in Germany this past weekend, the defining speech of Mark 423 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Rubo's already historic tenure as joint as jointly as Secretary 424 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: of State and National Security Advisor. You can't forget that 425 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: second role, by the way, for whatever it's worth. Mark 426 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: Robo also then going into the heart of the European 427 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: continent to Central Europe, where he made a pit stop 428 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: in Budapest where he did a press conference with Prime 429 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: Minister Victor Orbon the controversial I suppose you would say, 430 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: Prime Minister of the Nation of Hungary, Mark Rubio is 431 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: saying very warm things about US Hungary relations and also 432 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: about Victor Orbon on a personal level. For instance, here 433 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: was Mark Rubo speaking in Budapest, Hungary, earlier this week. 434 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 7: We want you to continue because we want this economy 435 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 7: to prosper. We want this country to do well. It's 436 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 7: in our national interest, especially as long as you're the 437 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 7: Prime Minister and the leader of this country. It's in 438 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 7: our national interest that Hungary will be successful. It helps 439 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 7: America and obviously it helps you. 440 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: So Rubio, throughout this speech just really affirming the Orbon 441 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: Trump relationships. Is Victor Orbon occasion. Don't follow this closely, 442 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: and is really no reason why you would. He is 443 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: considered to be a very controversial figure by the international media. 444 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: He was viewed as something of a pariah by both 445 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: the Obama and the Binding administrations. He has been warmly 446 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: welcomed by President Trump and now both times in office. 447 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: Orbon's been the leader of Hungary for about decade and 448 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: a half, give or take. 449 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: There. 450 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: He is the easy leader of a major resident party 451 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: called FIDEJ, which is very much a nationalist conservative party 452 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: there in Europe. I've actually met Victor Orbon numerous times. 453 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: I've spoken at a couple of conferences in Budapest over 454 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: the past few years. For a while there Budapest is 455 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: bringing in a lot of American conservatives, a lot of 456 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: Western European conseratives, basically just trying to see what was 457 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: happening there, try to get a sense as to as 458 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: to what was happening in this country. I actually left 459 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: very very impressed by Victor Orbon, someone who studied at Oxford, 460 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: who devotes hours non entire day. I believe it's a Sunday. 461 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: I think he takes one day a week to not 462 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: follow necessarily super closely the day to day current events, 463 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: but really to do a deep dive in political theory. 464 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: He actually really reads like the art of politics. He's 465 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: a very very intellectual, cerebral guy, very very different than 466 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: his depiction by the corporate media as some sort of 467 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: a tyrant or fascist or illiberal leader there. And it's 468 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: really nice, frankly, to see Mark Rubio going to Hungary, 469 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: which is a second tier country certainly in Europe in 470 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: terms of importance. It's not in Italy or Germany or 471 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: France or a UK, it's not even a Poland or 472 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: anything like that there, but is a country that is 473 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: sort of something of a source of inspiration for many 474 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: other nationalist conservative movements all throughout the world. Georgia Maloney 475 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: in Italy, who is the highest profile conservative leader currently 476 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: today of a European country. Query it's an open question 477 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: whether or not George Maloney actually could have gone into power 478 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: in Rome in Italy were not for the example set 479 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: by Victor or Bump. So one of the keys of 480 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: Donald Trump forum policy is to bring together this coalition 481 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: of proud nationalists leaders. Again, Hungary is a smaller country there, 482 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: but Japan is not. We were talking last week with 483 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: Steviates and the Heritage Nation about Snai Takaichi, who was 484 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: viewed as the iron Lady of Japan, the margafactorer of Japan. 485 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: She has this whole nationalist, conservative, very right wing agenda. 486 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: And Japan is not a small country. Argentina with Javier Malay, 487 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: Argentina not a super small country either, smaller than Japan 488 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: bes a population, but bigger than Hungary. So this is 489 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: the basic idea is that for the problems today if 490 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: you believe what Mark Arrubio said in Munich this past 491 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: weekend that one of the major problems in the twenty 492 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: first century is globalism and transnational ideology, this attempt to 493 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: stamp out and to vanquish, in the name of universalism 494 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: all the various things that make us human in the 495 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: first place, national identity, tribal identity, religious identity, are families 496 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: or faith, et cetera. If you believe that the globalists, 497 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: and yes, there is a real globalist class, Davos is real, 498 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: the World Economic Form is real, Brussels, the EU, it's real. 499 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 2: The United Nation is Turtle Bay. It's real. It's all real. 500 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: So you believe that one. 501 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: Of the foremost challenges that we face, say in twenty 502 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: first century, is this transnational globals attempt to homogenize us 503 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: in the name of quote unquote progress and to stamp 504 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: out our national differences, that it makes sense that a 505 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: robust alliance of nationalist leaders stands to be a worthy, 506 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: worthy foil to that. By the way, don't sleep on India. 507 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: India was actually in Donald Trump's crosshairs unfortunately for a 508 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: while last year due to their importation of a lot 509 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: of sanctioned Russian oil. Seems that there's been a recent 510 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: rock prochemonts, a thwarting of tensions between Nourendra Modi, who 511 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: is the national conservative Prime Minister of India, the world's 512 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: most populous country. There has been something of a rock 513 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: prochemmp between Prime Mister Mody and President Trump. 514 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: That is wonderful news. 515 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: Not as good wonderful news when it comes to the 516 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: to the establishments, the realization of this international nationalist movement 517 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: that I'm kind of getting at here on the one hand, 518 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: as well as just Chinese Communist Party containment on the 519 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: other hands. Just a bit of contrast, Marco Rubio, as 520 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: you likely know, is not the front runner for Republicans 521 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. The front rower would be Jade Vans, 522 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: but Rubio is definitely this point second in the twenty 523 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: twenty eight Republican presidential hopeful category. 524 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: On the Democrats side of the ledger. 525 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Just a point of contrast, one of the individuals who's 526 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: always mentioned she's not the front runner would be the 527 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: John Lennon of the squad herself, Alexandrio Cosio Cortez. Now 528 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: the favorite for the DAMS is probably Gavin Newsom, but 529 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: AOC is definitely up there. 530 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: How is out the I don't know. 531 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: Frankly, I lick my chops at the possibility of Republicans 532 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: facing AOC in twenty twenty eight. But compare what we've 533 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: seen from Mark or Rubio on the International Saves past 534 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: few days to AOC, making her much Herold did International Debuto. 535 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: She infamously just botched this question in Munich when it 536 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: came to China and Taiwan watched this. 537 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,239 Speaker 2: One would good the US actually commit US troops to 538 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: defend Taiwan if China were to move. 539 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: You know, I think that, uh, this is such a 540 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: you know, I think that this is of course a 541 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: very long standing policy of the United States, and I 542 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 4: think what we are hoping for is that we want 543 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 4: to make sure that we never get to that point, 544 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: and we want to make sure that we are moving 545 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 4: in all of our economic research and our global positions 546 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 4: to avoid any such confrontation. And for that question to even. 547 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: Arrive, tell me and moron without telling me you're a moron? Really, 548 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, could that have been any more of a 549 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris word salad? I mean, if Kamala Harris is 550 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: the queen of the word salad, maybe Alexandro Cosiguartez is 551 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: the princess of the word tirami. Sue the insert your 552 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: analogy of choice there, But that was just a flaming 553 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: load of hot, stink and flaming garbage. 554 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: That was just freaking awful. Could she pinpoint Taiwan and 555 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: the map? 556 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: It really takes you wonder unbelievable soft Well, Frankly, folks, 557 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: if AOC or Jasmine Crockett, if one of these absolute 558 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: morons is the Democratic nominee in twenty twenty eight, then frankly, 559 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: you have to like Republicans' chances virtually no matter who 560 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: Republicans put up as their nominee. I feel very similarly 561 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris, for whatever is worth. Gavin Newsom a 562 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: slightly more formidable foe, not because his policies don't stink. 563 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: They stink big time, but because he just looks the 564 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: part and talks the parts, and he's dazzlingly handsome as 565 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: all the liberal media just fallen over themselves to tell 566 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: us there. And frankly, a lot of Americans tragically not me. 567 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 8: You. 568 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: We vote on policy, substance, We care about politics to 569 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: carell policy. A lot of folks don't care any of 570 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: that there. They just vote on looks and superficial crap. 571 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: I fear Gavin newsom but really AOC, my God, I 572 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: don't AOC really in the slightest at all. Folks, also 573 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: wishing you a happy Fat Tuesday. Marty grass I was 574 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: at Marti Gras in New Orleans myself many many years ago. 575 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: I was there only one time. I believe the year 576 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: was twenty twelve, and I was quite a bit younger. 577 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: My brother actually went to college, went to university in Twulane. 578 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: So I paid my visit and time it to be 579 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: during Marty grass I got to experience all that wishing 580 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: all of our Catholic friends. Also a very solemn and 581 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: meaningful Ash Wednesday, and a meaningful Lent period as well, 582 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: leaning up to Easter. On the calendar, it's a very 583 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: interesting time actually on the religious calendar, because there's something 584 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 1: of an overlap between the Christian calendar and the Jewish calendar. 585 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: So last nights and ending tomorrow nights is the two 586 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: day new month, so we call it roche hud Ash 587 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of the new month, and this is now 588 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: the month of Adar on the Hebrew calendar. Is a 589 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: popular Hebrew saying that when Adar enters, we increase our joy. 590 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be happy in the month of Adar. 591 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: The Jewish holiday of Porum comes up in about a 592 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: week and a half two weeks. It is the holiday 593 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: affiliated with the Book of Esther, the old story of 594 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: Esther and Mordecai in the court in Susa, and the 595 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: salvation of the Jewish people through the dethroning of Haman 596 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: and the evil tyrant aklash Vedrush, who is commonly viewed 597 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: historically to be the same as the as the character 598 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: at Xerxes in an event. Wishing all of our Christian 599 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: friends a wonderful and meaningful lens. To my fellow Jews, 600 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: I wish you a hoodish tove. May this month of 601 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: a Dar be indeed a very joyful month for its 602 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: Workman WiFi and are probably got a sign on a 603 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: new home sooner and then later, God willing, and we 604 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: hope to increase our joy very much show in that 605 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: respect as well. 606 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well. 607 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: We are thrilled to here on the Josh Shammer Show 608 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: to count Balance of Nature as a sponsor of our program, 609 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: and we are also thrilled to be joined today by 610 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: doctor Douglas Howard, who is the original formulator of Bounces 611 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: of Nature, among other hands that he wears and he 612 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: joins us now, Doctor Howard, we really do appreciate it, 613 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Howard. I want to begin just so just by 614 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: touch briefly on your personal story, and indeed your pressions 615 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: of the case may be here. Maha is a big 616 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: theme of the public discourse. I live in a household 617 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: very much characterized by MAHA. My wife is very much 618 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: in on this agenda and we are trying to implement 619 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: it when it comes to our little fourteen month old 620 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: young one as well. But you were ahead of the curve. 621 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: You saw this coming years ago. What did you see 622 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: and what do you see to stay when it comes 623 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: to the advancements in public health and MAHA more generally. 624 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'm so excited about MAHA right now. 625 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 8: It is a fruition of my dreams as we came forward, 626 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 8: you know, to go back in my history a little bit. 627 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: It's a long story. 628 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 8: I'll make a short but I started working in a 629 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 8: hospital when I was fourteen years old. For six years 630 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 8: I worked there and then I got my medical degree 631 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 8: and my chiropractic degree in a multiple different hospitals. I 632 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 8: actually went to Russia to study for four years. Was 633 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 8: the dean of foreign student affairs there so that I 634 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 8: could broaden my scope. And it's there where I truly 635 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 8: had four years to practice without reference to money. Insurance, companies, 636 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 8: workers comp tell me what I needed to do or 637 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 8: how to do it. 638 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: It was to get. 639 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 8: Them well with was whatever means I could the fastest 640 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 8: and the best and do the least harm and the cheapest. 641 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 8: And so I got to practice with no reference to 642 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 8: money all that time, and I learned my heart and soul, 643 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 8: and that's what the Maha movement is moving towards that 644 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 8: to me, and I love that. It's about health. It's 645 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 8: not about sickness. It's about health, and that's where we 646 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 8: need to concentrate. 647 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Douglas Howard is the founder and formulator of Bounce Nature, 648 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: also involved with the Fruit and Vegetable Foundation as well 649 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: daughter Howard. There have been recent changes to the old 650 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: school decades long food pyramid. This is one of the 651 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: many things I think is coming out of Washington, DC here. 652 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: Want me just talk at more of a macro level 653 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: about how we've had a bit of an evolution in 654 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: recent years, in recent decades about about ingredients and how 655 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: one should actually go about his or her diet and 656 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: thinking about what you consume and put in their body 657 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, how do you see the evolution 658 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: in that space? 659 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: That is one of That is one of the main things. 660 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 8: I don't know how you pinpointed. That's one of the 661 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 8: main things that pulled me away. Is because I was 662 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 8: in practice for about three years when all of a sudden, 663 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 8: the suggested amount of vitamins and what you should be 664 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 8: taking changed. And I had been working, and you know, 665 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 8: I wasn't a huge vitamin guy. I didn't I didn't 666 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 8: eat a lot of vitamins, but I knew they were 667 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 8: important somewhere in that picture. And when it all changed 668 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 8: and shifted, then I was like, wait, wait, so what 669 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 8: I've been recommending was wrong, and so okay, okay, I 670 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 8: got back into I thought, okay, okay, well now this 671 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 8: is the new recommendation. It changed about two years later 672 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 8: and I went, wait, it was wrong again. So I've 673 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 8: been telling him wrong all this time. And then I thought, 674 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 8: this is just going to change again in a couple 675 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 8: of years, and I'm going to be telling them wrong 676 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 8: again this whole time. So I moved away from that 677 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 8: a lot, and I, okay, I can't trust that because 678 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 8: it's going to be ever changing. 679 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: One of those was vitamin A. 680 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 8: I don't know people remember back and one a day 681 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 8: vitem I probably can't say that, but what they used 682 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 8: to be not there to day that all vitamins used 683 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 8: to have vitamin A in them, and it was taken 684 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 8: out because we figured out that it was actually causing cancer, 685 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 8: causing cancer of the lung and of the prostate and 686 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 8: the breast. And so you don't find vitamin A in 687 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 8: your vitamins anymore. You find beta carotene. And they turned 688 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 8: vitamin A into a drug that you put on your 689 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 8: face to kill acne and make your skin peel off 690 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 8: of you. Anyway, so this road took me down to 691 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 8: finding Actually, while I was in Russia, we started learning 692 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 8: more and more about So I started learning more about 693 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 8: fyto nutrients or phytochemicals, and that's all all the chemistry 694 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 8: within the plants that we eat and how that works together. 695 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 8: I didn't have to and meant the plants. Somebody with 696 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 8: a great, great, much greater knowledge than I do have 697 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 8: did that for us, and I realized that that chemistry 698 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 8: is there. I was still looking for a vitamin or something. 699 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 8: And then and then it hit me. One day, I'll 700 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 8: be dead and gone by the time we find this 701 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 8: magic chemical I'm looking for. And then I started seeing 702 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 8: combinations and realizing there's hundreds of thousands of chemicals in 703 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 8: our fruits and vegetables. That's the color and the smell 704 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 8: and the taste that makes that up. And so anyway, 705 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 8: I started down that and understanding this the orchestration. If 706 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 8: I can. There's one more small example I'd shoved, and 707 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 8: that is in pharmacology, I learned what you're learning to 708 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 8: weigh the benefits of a drug versus the side effects 709 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 8: of a drug, benefits versus the damage basically. And I 710 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 8: had a great professor who thought who taught me every 711 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 8: chemical has an effect and a side effect, and you've 712 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 8: got to weigh that out every isolated chemical. And as 713 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 8: I learned more, that even meant the vitamins, and that 714 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 8: truth came to fact through. You know, for example, the 715 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 8: studies of vitamin A and other things, and these chemistries 716 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 8: are so important, but within their natural environment, they're orchestrated 717 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 8: with thousands of other chemicals that buffer off the side effects. 718 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 8: So you can eat an apple and have that chemistry 719 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 8: in there that if you extract it has this effect, 720 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 8: but it has all these negative side effects. But when 721 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 8: you have thousands of other chemicals that then fight that 722 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 8: side effect that that would have caused. Then with time 723 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 8: it took I'll say it, it took God himself to 724 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 8: create this, and I just had to figure out a 725 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 8: way to put a variety of fruits and vegetables together, 726 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 8: maintain all of that nutrition, all of those chemicals without 727 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 8: with damaging them as little as possible, and without processing 728 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:10,959 Speaker 8: it to death. 729 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: Doc Douglas Howard again Folks is the founder and formulator 730 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: of Bounced Nature and also the Fruit Invastional Foundation, Doctor Howard, I, 731 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: why don't we extractlate this conversation a little bit here? 732 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: I think most of us into it how a healthier 733 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: diet can help us live longer lives and generally just 734 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: feel more more vigorous and full of life and full 735 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: of energy as individuals. But can you tell us a 736 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: little bit just about the broader societal benefits when individuals 737 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: and mass start to consume healthier products. 738 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's for thirty years. 739 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 8: That's the studies I've been doing inside of the US 740 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 8: and outside of the US. But another major aspect of 741 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 8: this is what I developed in practice, and it's called 742 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 8: the tryad of health. Most people are going to think, 743 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 8: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know this one. No, you 744 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 8: probably haven't heard the way I'm going to state it. 745 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 8: And it's so exciting at what MAHA's doing because it's 746 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 8: down this road exactly. But then try it of help. 747 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 8: You have a chemical side of health, and you have 748 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 8: a physical side of health, and you have a spiritual 749 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 8: side of health. Now, for those who are offended by spiritual, 750 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 8: I'm not saying a religious side necessarily, I'm saying I 751 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 8: think some people call it mental, some people call it 752 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 8: other things. But I call it spiritual because I do 753 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 8: happen to believe in God and that there's a much 754 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,479 Speaker 8: greater force to all of these things. But it still 755 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 8: fits for anybody. Let's take that really quick down the road, 756 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 8: because this chemistry side I'm talking about is only a 757 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 8: piece of it that doesn't create complete health. But for example, 758 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 8: just really quick, when you were fourteen years old, you 759 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 8: probably liked somebody a lot, right me? 760 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 6: Oh? 761 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: Sure, of course, of course I did. 762 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, anybody out there you probably liked somebody. Sure, And 763 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 8: you know there was this girl girl in school that 764 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 8: I was really attracted to and when she walked around 765 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 8: the corner one day, and I wasn't expecting her to 766 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 8: walk around the corner. Now, something like this maybe happened 767 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 8: in your lives that all of a sudden poof, somebody's there. 768 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 8: What reaction did you did you have? What reaction did 769 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 8: you Did you feel something? Oh? 770 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 2: Of course you do naturally. Yeah, but she. 771 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 8: Didn't touch he or she didn't touch anybody, right. 772 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 2: No, but you just start to notice you feel it. 773 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, So what you had was a maybe it wasn't 774 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 8: a spiritual thought. You had a thought that caused a 775 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 8: chemical change in your body that caused a physical feeling. 776 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 8: Those three things have to be treated on every aspect 777 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 8: of health. And when I heard RFK talk the other 778 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 8: day about spiritual health, I was so excited because that 779 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 8: is my drive, is to drive all three sides of 780 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 8: this to health, because most of our health problems can 781 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 8: be either alleviated or either either completely destroyed out of 782 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 8: our lives or at least minimized in our life. 783 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: Doctor, you've been you've been very ahead of this curve 784 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: for many years now. You deserve a lot of credit 785 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: for folks. 786 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 2: Go ahead and check out. 787 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,439 Speaker 1: By the way, these Selfman's bounce in nature dot Com 788 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: and taken that I feel like a million bucks Doctor Buggles, 789 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: how we're unfortunately were out of time. We really appreciate 790 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: you joined the Josh Hammer Show today and folks for you, 791 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: all of you listening and watching, have a great rest 792 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: of your evening. We'll be right back here time