1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Life Audio hey Eron, Thanks for joining me. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: It's great to be back with you. Michael. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Aaron Burns is our guest. Aaron, of course, you are 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: the director of the upcoming movie Jimmy, a film about 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: legendary actor Jimmy Stewart starring Kane j Appa in the 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: lead role. Schedule for release November the sixth. Jimmy Themovie 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: dot Com is the website. You're also working on a 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: film about missionaries Hudson and Maria Taylor. We'll talk about that. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm just teasing that for the back end. First, though, 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: let's chat about the movie Jimmy. Of course, he was 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: the lead actor for It's a Wonderful Life. I don't 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: want to assume everybody knows that. Why didn't you want 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: to make a film about Jimmy Stewart? What attract you 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: do to his story? 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, as a kid, grown up, I watch a bunch 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: of his movies. Yeah, he's this Western's the man who 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: shot Liberty Valance. I loved mister Smith goes to Washington, 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: the political drama. And then, of course It's a Wonderful 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: Life every Chris, It's so inspirational, But honestly, there's kind 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: of that old saying, don't get too close to your 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: heroes because you'll be probably be disappointed. And you know 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: most Hollywood types and movie stars, and you know they're 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: pretending to be something that they aren't, you know, off 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: screen don screen. But I read an article a few 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: years ago that Jimmy wrote, actually for Guidepost magazine, telling 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: the story of the making of Its Wonderful Life. And 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: I was shocked when he revealed that it was the 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: first film he made after he came back from serving 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: in World War Two. And I said, wait, Jimmy served 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: in World War Two. That's interesting. Was he probably just 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: doing you know, publicity or something. But actually he was 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: a combat pilot, serving in the front lines and wound 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: up flying twenty missions against the Nazis, And he had 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: chosen to leave his Hollywood career behind for three years 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: and go over to serve his country. And in that 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: article he unp acts how the making of Its Wonderful 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: Life was transformative for him, and that prayer in Martini's 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: bar on the set of Its Wonderful Life became a 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: real prayer and was kind of the beginning then of 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: his own spiritual jurity and transformation. And I had always 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: loved the film, but had no idea that there was 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: more richness of those layers behind it. So we started 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: on the adventure of connecting with his daughter, Kelly and 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: their family and exploring if they'd be interested in having 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: this part of Jimmy's life told, and that's where I'll begin. 46 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: And she was, of course, that's I forget her name. 47 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm looking on my notes here. Kelly, Kelly Stewart Harcourt. 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: I believe is her name. She's an executive prien you, sir, 49 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: I hope I got her name right. Yeah, So what 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: role did the family play in this movie in terms 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: of just making sure it's authentic. I'm assuming they had 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: a role in this. 53 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Yes, So first we connected with her to talk to 54 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: her about our take out of the story. And a number 55 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: of people had approached her over the years about telling 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: stories but her dadd or things. But when I mentioned 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: that the slice of life that we wanted to explore 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: really his most transformative years, from when he won his 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: first oscar in nineteen forty one, through his service in 60 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: World War Two, coming back in nineteen forty five, and 61 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: then six making It's a wonderful life, she was delighted 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: because she said her dad's favorite movie was It's a 63 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: Wonderful Life, the one that met the most to him. 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: And what he was most proud of was his service 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: to his fellow men, to our country in World War Two, 66 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: and he actually stayed on as a brigadier rose through 67 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: the ranks of a brigadier general in the Air Force Reserves, 68 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: was in the military for twenty years. It spent a 69 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: lot of his time giving back to veterans and honoring 70 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: and thanking people who had been involved in it. So 71 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: she was so delighted that that's the portion of the 72 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: story we wanted to tell. And then she worked through 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: Josh of the script with us and gave us insight 74 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: to family documents. I remember she told us about journal 75 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: that her dad had left in the night stamp some 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: of his World War Two stories that had never been 77 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: told by anyone else, and she shared some of those 78 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: with us. And then she had a copy of their 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: flight laugbook of the missions that he flew on and 80 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: in his own handwriting marking the plane of his fallen 81 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: comrades in the place that didn't come back that he 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: was responsible for. And then just another fun fact, he 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: won two Oscars and his two daughters both had one 84 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: and we needed them for filming, so she brought them 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: to set and we got to use Jimmy's actual oscars 86 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: for the filming of the movie. So she contributed to 87 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: many different ways. It was just a cheerleader and an 88 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: advocate for the project and just a delightful person. 89 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: From my memory, he did not win an oscar for 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: it It's a Wonderful Life? Am I correct there? 91 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: That's correct? So he won for so mister Smith Goes 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: to Washington was what put him on the map in 93 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: nineteen I think the nineteen thirty nine or forty Oscars, 94 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: but he didn't win that year. He won the next 95 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: year for Philadelphia Story. And then just after he won 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: that oscar, he that he's off to World War two 97 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: and he comes back. It's a Wonderful Life was nominated 98 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: and in nineteen forty six for a few hosts, but 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: it didn't win anything, and interestingly, it didn't perform at 100 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: the box office and it fell. It lost money and 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: Frank Kappra, the director's movie company, went out of business. 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until later that it was discovered when 103 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: TV started, everyone had TVs in their arms. Now they're 104 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: looking for content to play. December, It's a Wonderful Life 105 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: had fallen out of copyright and was free, so streamer, 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: you know, the streamers of the day at Ease TV 107 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: stations started playing It's a Wonderful Life twenty four hours 108 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: and people said, whoa, this is a phenomenal film and 109 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: fell in love with it again and saw I pitted 110 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: research and become, you know, the double one inspirational film 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: in America. 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a random question, Aaron. That kind 113 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: of comes to mind as you mentioned how It's a 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: Wonderful Life became kind of famous later. Do you think 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: that happens nowadays, that there are movies that we watch 116 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: and think they're just okay, or that we don't recognize 117 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: the brilliance of them, and that later on another generation 118 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of embraces it. It seems like that happens nowadays. Do 119 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: you have any thoults there? Because I seem to think 120 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: this is just my own ad libbing here and editorial lying. 121 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: But it seems like we live in such a critical 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: culture right now that it's it's being critical gets clicks, 123 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: and so if you applaud a movie, you don't give 124 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: as many clicks as if you criticize a movie, and 125 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times when these blogbusters come out, a 126 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: lot of times the first review you see is something 127 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: just somebody blasting the film, and then you go up 128 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 1: watch the movie and you're thinking, that was a pretty 129 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: good movie. So I don't know, do you do you 130 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: think that happens nowadays where we kind of just miss classics. 131 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what is interesting. There's the craft of 132 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: a particular film and a craft of a story teller 133 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: and how they put the put the story together. But 134 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: then there's also waves of cultural zeitgeist of what comes 135 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: in and out of vogue at different times. So just 136 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: a quick story about Frank Capra, who is one of 137 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: the main characters in our story. He was a Sicilian immigrant. 138 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: Somebody should make a movie about Capra someday. It grew 139 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: up in absolute, abject poverty when he came over to America, 140 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: and he served in World War One, and what observing 141 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: in World War Two is our film explains. But he 142 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: really just wanted to make it. He wanted to be successful. 143 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: He wanted to be rich and famous and important and 144 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: prove to the world that he had that he was 145 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: worth it. So he set out his journey to become 146 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: a filmmaker, and he finally makes it. He wins an 147 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: oscar and he's rich. And then he says, I'm going 148 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: to take a few weeks off and I'm going to 149 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: pretend like I'm sick, so everybody leaves me alone. So 150 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: he goes to bed, you know, one evening plenty to 151 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: take a couple weeks of vacation, and he wakes up 152 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: the next morning sick as a dog, and over the 153 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: next two weeks has helped rapidly to tear rates so 154 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: he can barely get out of bed, and the doctor's 155 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: you know, comment and check on and watch it twice 156 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: and thinks he's not gonna make it. It's over. And 157 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: then some guy shows up and visits him, who he 158 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: doesn't know, and he says, I have something important to 159 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: tell you. And this is mid thirties, and in the 160 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: other room, the radio's on and it's Adolf Hitler giving 161 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: a speech and you can hear, you know, the background, 162 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: his new segment's playing Hitler. And this guy comes up 163 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: to Capra and he says, Hitler is viewing his lies 164 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: and hate to tens of thousands of people around the world, 165 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: and he has an evil message that he's sharing. But you, 166 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: mister Capra, are worse off than Hitler because you have 167 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: a captive audience of millions of people in a darkened 168 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: theater and you have nothing to say to them. You're 169 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: wasting the gifts that God has given you and telling 170 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: stories without a purpose. So I suggest you get your 171 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: act together. And then he leaves and the next day 172 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: Capra starts to get better. He gains the weight back 173 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: that he lost, and he comes out of his room. 174 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: He says, who was that guy who came and visited me? 175 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: And they're like, what guy? So, so, who knows what 176 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: it was? It was his own visitor, Clarence or whatever. 177 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: But over the next years, Capra says, I'm going to 178 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: tell stories of the purpose that matters. I'm going to 179 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: use the gifts that God has given me for good 180 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: and he tells starts to tell stories like mister Smith 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,119 Speaker 2: goes to Washington talking about corruption and honor and integrity, 182 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: and then you know, goes to cercing world where two 183 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: then comes back and makes it a wonderful life. And 184 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: as you get into the mid forties after the war 185 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: and into the fifties and sixties, audiences were less interested 186 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: in those hopeful, positive stories. And when movies started to 187 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: get darker and grittier and more full of violence and 188 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: you know, kind of graphic content, and people started to 189 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: make fun of Crapper because he was stuck making these 190 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: kind of cheesy films. And it is Wonderflac at the 191 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: time is even criticized for being overly sentimental and things, 192 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: and Capra said, well, you call him and corny, I'm 193 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: going to call them capricorn because that's the kind of 194 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: movies that I want to make, and I'm going to 195 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: stand behinde my calling and what I'm supposed to do. 196 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: So it didn't mean that he didn't have excellence in 197 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: his craft and work with amazing talented teams and tell 198 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: great stories. But he knew what he wanted to say, 199 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: even when it cut against the grain of his time. 200 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: And so his films fell out of style in some 201 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: ways because the culture had moved on. And I think 202 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: as you get back to the darkness of the sixties 203 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: and seventies, the culture started to realize that we need 204 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: help and we need truth, and we need inspiration and 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: values and faith and prayer and the things that Capra 206 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: had packed into its wonderful life. So I think it 207 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 2: has to do both. Sorry, very long answer to your question. 208 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: I think it has both to do with the craft 209 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: and the quality of story, but also where culture is moving. 210 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: And it was very inspiring to me to watch Frank 211 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: take a stand and tell stories that mattered in his 212 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: day while also looking to be the very best in 213 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: his craft that he could. So that's something that we 214 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: we actually took set at our production and my producer 215 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: David made us all little cups that said, well, capra 216 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: do And so we think about the kind of stories 217 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: that would tell as we were working on making Jimmy. 218 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: That's a powerful story. Some people would have would have 219 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: considered that an angel who knows what it was. Secondly, 220 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: you know one thing that I was going to say 221 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: that I should have said earlier. So we know we 222 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: live in a information We're saturated with information and projects 223 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: and movies and TV series and films, so sometimes it 224 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: just tinks a while for kind of the diamond to 225 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: be discovered. I think that's something else that should be said. 226 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: What genre would you put this film in? Would you? 227 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: Was it faith based, faith adjacent? Simply inspirational, So not to. 228 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: Dive too far into the weeds on that. When you 229 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: think of film genres, there's a few different ways to 230 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: think about them. The labels that you were just labels 231 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: are helpful, but those are more audience labels, Like who 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: is the audience for this film would be someone who 233 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: wants a faith a faith film. I think the word 234 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: that I bristle at is faith based, and I think 235 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: it was like basted, you like basted faith, like with 236 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: a turkey squeegee like on top of it or something. 237 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: So for me the audience of this film, it's a biopic, 238 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: so it's a true life story. But I am a 239 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: perse Feith, I'm a Christian. I love Jesus and so 240 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: all of my stories, all of the stories that inspire me, 241 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: come from that lens. And so that's infused in the 242 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: very bones of this movie. So you'll see a believer 243 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: who watches it, will see the story of redemption played 244 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: out in Jimmy's life. And we'll see that moment in 245 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: Martinez bar as the beginning in the in the of 246 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: his spiritual journey, and how the whole film and story 247 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: is building up to that moment. What I think is 248 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: so fun about a movie like Jimmy Is. It really 249 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: is a movie for everyone because Jimmy, we honor the 250 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: good parts of old Hollywood and the stories they told 251 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: in the way they did that. So if you're a 252 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: person who lives in Hollywood and loves that, you'll find 253 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: things there. From a military perspective, we honor the sacrifice 254 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: that our armed services have given to us. So if 255 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: you're a patriotic American, you're going to enjoy the story. 256 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: There's a beautiful romance in it, a drama, and the 257 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: action of war. So it really is There are elements 258 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: in there that I think appeals to a wide audience, 259 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: but certainly to people who come who share my perspective 260 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: and point of view. As you watch it, you'll be 261 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: moved by the way God and his sob Regine is 262 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: Love orchestrated the events of Jimmy's life to bring him 263 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: to this point of brokenness, to bring him to the 264 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: point of healing so he can look the rest of 265 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: his journey that way. 266 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: Amen to that. I like that. Let's switch gears briefly 267 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: and talk about another project that was recently announced. It's 268 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: called Hudson and Maria. This is in pre production, so 269 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: it's while ways away before we watch it, not this year. 270 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: I guess this is a story of Hudson Maria Taylor, 271 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: who took the Gospel to China and then in the 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. What drew you to telling a story about missionaries? 273 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: And how do you how do you do this movie 274 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: without it coming across as kind of an educational biopic 275 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: that you would watch, you know in a fifth grade 276 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: Christian private school class. 277 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: By brand is a great question, so to you asked 278 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: a few questions in there, so I actually I think 279 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: it was fourth grade for me in a homeschool education class. 280 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: Did a book report of Hudson Taylor that my mom 281 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: reminded me of recently. This is my first introduction to him, 282 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: and I read, you know, little biographies of this this guy. 283 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: He's a fascinating character and a fascinating historical time. And 284 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: as you look at our world today, our Western world, 285 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: we're dealing with the reverberations of colonialism and this East 286 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: versus West conflict. I think our president was in China 287 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: this week meeting with the authorities over there and negotiating 288 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: these political landscapes. Well, Hadson was in the middle of 289 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: the Opium Wars in the middle of Great Britain doing 290 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: all of these awful things, you know, through its empire, 291 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: and he felt God's call to go and share the 292 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: love of Jesus with the people in China. So he 293 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: jumps right in the middle of that and stands directly 294 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: opposed to the British, the British Empire, and to the 295 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: Chinese Empire, and to the empire of darkness that that 296 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, rules the whole world. And he said, I'm 297 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: going to carry the Kingdom of God and God's light 298 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: and love into this place in a very unique way. 299 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: In moving to China and to bring the Gospel there, 300 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: he in some ways pioneered or at least popularized a 301 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: concept that's just become very normal to missionaries today, which 302 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: is integrating as much as you can with the local 303 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: people and not not bringing other barriers to the gospel. 304 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: So at the time, the British missionaries would kind of 305 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: expect people to convert to Britishism and Westernism along with 306 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: converting to Christianity. So you need to learn to speak English, 307 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: need to dress like us, you need to behave like us, 308 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: and then we can start teaching you. And Hudson found 309 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: as he you know, went through China. People were calling 310 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: him a foreign devil, and he said, what's this word? 311 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: So they're calling you a foreign devil, So, well, that's 312 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: a big distraction to be sharing the love of Jesus, 313 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: because I have no interest in sharing Western culture with you. 314 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: I want to share something that's that transcends culture. So 315 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: he cut off his hair and grew a queue and 316 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: with glasses on and contact lenses in and dressed and 317 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: changed himself into it Chinese and the diligently studied Chinese languages. 318 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: Think you learned five or six different dialects, so he 319 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: could become like them in always to share the no 320 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: with them. And that idea, combined with his radical dependence 321 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: on the Lord and his radical just reading of the 322 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: scripture and saying this is what it says, let's just 323 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: go do it, guys, guarded a missions movement that kind 324 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: of reverberates through to this day. So I had always 325 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: loved and found great inspiration from Hudson Taylor. He was 326 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: friends with George Mueller and the way that they he 327 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: was mentored by George Mueller, and how he prayed and 328 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: found guests provision through those things. So when he came 329 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: back from China. He started a mission organization and then 330 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: brought a whole group of missionaries over there called China 331 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: Inland Mission, and he saw his prayers answer of missionaries 332 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: in every profits of China around the world. That organization 333 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: still exists today with thousands of missionaries around the globe, 334 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: and a number of them connected with me and said, 335 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: we'd love to inspire the church in modern times to 336 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: see what we could do to share the gospel. What 337 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: are the big We're just meeting about this a few 338 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: days ago, what are the big questions in global missions 339 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: that need to be answered now? And how what can 340 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: we do to inspire a new generation of a thousand 341 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: new Hudson tailors and men and women who would say, yeah, 342 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: I can leave my life behind and I can share 343 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: God's love with people all over the globe. So that's 344 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: it's a journey we've been on a number of years 345 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: working with that organization and actually also with Hudson Taylor's 346 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: great great great grandson, James Taylor the fifth, I think 347 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: and to work kind of story in the script and 348 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: get that where it needs to be. So we're filming 349 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: that project in Malaysia this August and September. So excited 350 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: about that one too. 351 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: This seems to be a project that has a million 352 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: positive themes. Aaron, what are two or three that you 353 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: think could really stand out and our society might need 354 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: to hear self sacrifice, courage, a focus on the eternal 355 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: and not the present. Are there and those and many more? 356 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: What would you say there? Yeah? 357 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: For sure, those and many more. And I think courage 358 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: to go where God calls you to go and do 359 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: what he calls you to do, knowing that He will 360 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: provide coupled with the humility to know that you don't 361 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: have to go alone and you don't have to do 362 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: it in your olmstring. And that's the lesson that Hudson 363 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: learns across this portion of his life. And to watch 364 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: him learn from his wife Maria and learn from the 365 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: Chinese believers who around him to take the passion that 366 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: God has given him and turn it into into fuel 367 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: for ministry. And again, the coupling of courage with humility 368 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: and community, I think is something that we could all 369 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: learn from. I look at our current cultural climate and 370 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: just like you're pointing out with with with movie critics 371 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: or it's so much easier to be negative and so 372 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: much easier to point out why things shouldn't be done, 373 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 2: why things are bad, why things are a problem, And 374 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: those things tend to divide us. Negativity and labels and 375 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: categories tend to divide us. And that's exactly the opposite 376 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: of the way Jesus wants us to live, which is 377 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: in love and unity and faith that we can do 378 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: what He's calls to do. In moving forward and watching how 379 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: Hudson thrives in a very divided world that is shockingly 380 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: similar to our world today, is I think will be 381 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: pretty inspirational informative. Yes, you'll learn about Hessinto's life like 382 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: if you do a fourth grade book report, but I 383 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: think very inspirational and inspire us to live the way 384 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: Jesus chollers too. 385 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: I actually enjoy those fifth grade documentary of biobics. By 386 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: the way, said I shouldn't have criticized that my my, 387 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I have a fifth I have a fifth grade son. 388 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: It was just the first thing that popped in my head. 389 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: Let's close by talking about your career. You've done, You've 390 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: directed your legacy, Peak Breath right Outlaw, You've been a 391 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: producer on the Forge and overcomer all of those, of 392 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: course have a have a thread through them. What world 393 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: do you think movies can play to shape a culture? 394 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: And I'm asking them because I'm assuming that's one reason 395 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: you're in this and what is your hope for the 396 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: films that you make? Broadly speaking? 397 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: Is such a fun question, Michael, So I think about 398 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: through time the role of the storyteller and culture, and 399 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: it was particularly I'll share one moment with you. I 400 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: think it was in two thousand and six. I got 401 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: a chance to go to London tour a week and 402 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: I guess to the t uk for a week, and 403 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: I remember going into this big church in London as 404 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: a I think goes eighteen eighteen years old, never been 405 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: to Europe before. You walk into this church and it's 406 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: full of sculptures, and you see this giant horse, you know, 407 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: ten times large than the life and this guy with 408 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: a huge sword and shield over his head, and you think, wow, 409 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: it's the second Duke of something other. He must have 410 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: been important back in the day. What a cool guy. 411 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: And then you keep going through a bunch of people 412 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: you've never heard of who had political power. But then 413 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: you walk you it back around the corner and all 414 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: of a sudden you find in the back of this 415 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: church there's a place called Poet's Corner. It has the 416 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 2: graves of Jeffrey Chaucer and C. S. Lewis and Charles Dickens, 417 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: And you start to say, I have no idea who 418 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: all these politicians were. But Scrooge speaks to me every year. 419 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 2: As Land is a book that I'm reading to my kids, 420 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: and it inspires me with hope and joy. And I 421 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: look at the role that storytellers, that the timeless power 422 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: that effective storytellers can wield, and their generation and the 423 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: generations to come, and find I just find that so moving, 424 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: the thought that we can change culture, we can change people, 425 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: we can have an influence far outsize to our power. 426 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: You know, there's the saying that the pen is mightier 427 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: than the sword, And I look at It's a wonderful 428 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: life as a wonderful example of that that eighty years on, 429 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: people are still watching it. People are still trying their 430 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: eyeballs dry every Christmas Eve over a silly story that 431 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: Kapra and Jimmy made eighty years ago. So I have 432 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 2: great hope that God would use our efforts to tell 433 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: stories to inspire our generation in generations to come. And 434 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: as we look at the kind of stories that our 435 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: team is developing, one of our core words is timeless, 436 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: And so we ask what makes a timeless movie? Why 437 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: is it's a wonderful life watched today? And many other 438 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: movies from the thirties and forties aren't much today. And 439 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: there are some, you know, luck or providence or chance 440 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: that you could say, well, this one had better marketing 441 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: and a cultural moment and went viral because somebody tweeted 442 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: it or whatever. But there's also something in the DNA 443 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: of storytelling that if it has genuine hope and you 444 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: have characters who are going on a relatable journey with 445 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: themes that are relevant to you, and you find that 446 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: that hope and that inspiration that comes back to your 447 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: heart and mooms you, then those are the kind of 448 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 2: stories that people will go back to again and again 449 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: and again. So our desire is to tell those kinds 450 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 2: of time the stories, and to pray that they make 451 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: a difference and inspiring our generation and the generations to come, 452 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: just like Jamie and Capra and Lewis and Dickenson and 453 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: some of the other storytellers through time. So we take 454 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: the role of storyteller in culture, very seriously and with 455 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: a great deal of joy, and say, I can't believe 456 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: that of all the vocations, you have to qualitude that 457 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 2: I get to work every day and try to tell 458 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: these kind of stories and very very umbolding break before. 459 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: The website for the movie we talked about initially is 460 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: Jimmythmovie dot com. 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