1 00:00:02,740 --> 00:00:07,030 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey Josh, thanks for joining me. It's good 2 00:00:07,050 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: to be here, yeah. Thanks for having me. 3 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:14,190 Speaker 2: Josh Baldwin, dub nominated artist, known for such songs as 4 00:00:14,850 --> 00:00:16,770 Speaker 2: Made For More, Evidence, Stand In Your Love. 5 00:00:16,829 --> 00:00:19,189 Speaker 1: I love all three of those. Has a new album. 6 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:21,910 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Has a new album as well. Worth Everything 7 00:00:21,970 --> 00:00:24,540 Speaker 2: is the new album. It releases October the 16th. Has 8 00:00:24,579 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: about 10 tracks on there, I think. I want to 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: talk to you about your career, Josh, but I wanted 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,390 Speaker 2: to chat about the new album first. You've described this 11 00:00:31,430 --> 00:00:34,430 Speaker 2: new album as a project that reflects where you are 12 00:00:34,510 --> 00:00:35,550 Speaker 2: right now, I guess, in your life. 13 00:00:36,370 --> 00:00:37,909 Speaker 1: What was happening in your life when you wrote these 14 00:00:37,930 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: songs and what shaped them? Well, I mean, I think 15 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: where I am is part of that is where I 16 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:47,099 Speaker 1: currently am. And then where I am is also just 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: where I've kind of always been. I'm a worship leader. 18 00:00:52,260 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I started out as just a worship leader, just a 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,850 Speaker 1: worship leader. I mean, but, you know, a worship leader. 20 00:00:56,870 --> 00:01:00,130 Speaker 1: And so I think I've always had albums where I just... 21 00:01:00,860 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the songs were like worship songs. Then 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,050 Speaker 1: a lot of them were more artist songs or singer 23 00:01:08,069 --> 00:01:11,250 Speaker 1: songwriter kind of stuff, you know? And this album just 24 00:01:11,290 --> 00:01:14,590 Speaker 1: felt a little more like all of them are like 25 00:01:14,650 --> 00:01:16,830 Speaker 1: worship songs to me. All of them are, I've kind 26 00:01:16,850 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: of like, yeah, it's where I've always been is, is 27 00:01:19,860 --> 00:01:23,620 Speaker 1: worship later. But specifically these songs came out of a 28 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:27,740 Speaker 1: lot of, um, and just, uh, go like working with 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: the Lord on like surrender, surrendering my whole life. every 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,110 Speaker 1: little part, not just, not just like, okay, I surrender 31 00:01:35,150 --> 00:01:36,970 Speaker 1: to you, Lord. I like, I believe in you. I'm 32 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:39,509 Speaker 1: a believer. This is who I, but like, I felt 33 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:40,970 Speaker 1: like I've been in a season over the last couple 34 00:01:40,990 --> 00:01:43,649 Speaker 1: of years where it's like, okay, you say that, but 35 00:01:43,690 --> 00:01:46,310 Speaker 1: also let's deal with this little thing right here. And 36 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:48,770 Speaker 1: then let's deal with this. And then how about you 37 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:50,809 Speaker 1: as a father? And then how about you and your marriage? 38 00:01:50,830 --> 00:01:54,380 Speaker 1: You know, it's just like each little thing, I started 39 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:57,460 Speaker 1: to dive in more and more with the Lord. And 40 00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these songs kind of, I can hear 41 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: like what I was going through in the moment and 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: just even the worth everything. The main track was just 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,970 Speaker 1: me just saying, like, just telling the Lord, like, you're 44 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,990 Speaker 1: where all of this that I feel like we've been 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,690 Speaker 1: going through me and you Lord over the last few years, 46 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:15,970 Speaker 1: like it's worth it all because of you, you're worth 47 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:18,889 Speaker 1: it all. And then, you know, the, the bridge of 48 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:21,070 Speaker 1: that song was really kind of the hardest crime for 49 00:02:21,090 --> 00:02:23,590 Speaker 1: the whole album was here I am with all I 50 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:25,989 Speaker 1: have and just make my life an altar to you. 51 00:02:26,110 --> 00:02:29,650 Speaker 1: So that's where I currently am. And then, Where I've 52 00:02:29,669 --> 00:02:33,329 Speaker 1: always been is just, I really just want to love 53 00:02:33,370 --> 00:02:36,269 Speaker 1: writing songs for the church, and I just, I will 54 00:02:36,310 --> 00:02:38,510 Speaker 1: always lead worship. I will always be a worship leader. 55 00:02:39,090 --> 00:02:41,450 Speaker 2: You say you like writing songs for the church. That 56 00:02:41,490 --> 00:02:44,660 Speaker 2: has two meanings. You know, we could enjoy hearing your music, 57 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: or we could sing your music. 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: Right. Which one of those are you talking about? I think, well, both, 59 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: but this one is probably more geared. I'm probably geared 60 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:58,580 Speaker 1: more to, like, singing, like, you know, Sunday morning or just... 61 00:02:59,030 --> 00:03:04,500 Speaker 1: joining together as a corporate body and actually singing. But 62 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I haven't walked that line. And talking 63 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: about that earlier, just with there's been songs where I 64 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:14,420 Speaker 1: definitely are like, this is a corporate gathering. Let's all 65 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:16,590 Speaker 1: join together and sing. But then there's also songs in 66 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:19,109 Speaker 1: the album where this is for you. Maybe you just 67 00:03:19,150 --> 00:03:22,810 Speaker 1: need to sit and hear this. And maybe it connects. 68 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:26,060 Speaker 1: My testimony will connect with you. And in that regard, 69 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:28,510 Speaker 1: it's for the church. And then I think I've even 70 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:31,630 Speaker 1: had songs where they feel like they straddle the line 71 00:03:31,870 --> 00:03:34,150 Speaker 1: just themselves. I mean, I feel like Made for More 72 00:03:34,210 --> 00:03:37,190 Speaker 1: is that. Half of Made for More, most of Made 73 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:41,810 Speaker 1: for More was really like me singing something over myself. 74 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:44,890 Speaker 1: And I kind of didn't think it would be like 75 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:48,290 Speaker 1: a song that you would sing in church on Sunday. 76 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:51,290 Speaker 1: And then the half of that, the back half, the 77 00:03:51,330 --> 00:03:55,140 Speaker 1: bridge was just me singing. singing to the lord like 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: hallelujah you're calling out my name yo so i feel 79 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: like i walk the line on albums and sometimes in 80 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:03,370 Speaker 1: the middle of songs you know well let's talk about 81 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:04,340 Speaker 1: made for what i was going to ask you about 82 00:04:04,370 --> 00:04:06,850 Speaker 1: yeah since you brought that up uh that was your 83 00:04:06,890 --> 00:04:09,350 Speaker 1: first i think first number one stand in your yeah 84 00:04:09,650 --> 00:04:11,490 Speaker 1: maybe deserved it but it didn't get there. 85 00:04:13,050 --> 00:04:16,330 Speaker 2: But um they all deserve it all that that's right 86 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: But what was in your heart in the songwriting room 87 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: when you wrote that? 88 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,860 Speaker 1: Was it an idea? Was it a Bible verse? It 89 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: was a verse. It was a verse. Actually, my friend Jessie, 90 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: she came in that morning and we were... It's funny 91 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about writing songs for the church. We were 92 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:39,990 Speaker 1: actually at a songwriting camp called Church Camp. And it 93 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:42,790 Speaker 1: was literally to go, we're going to get away for 94 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:45,930 Speaker 1: a couple of days and write songs for our local church. And... 95 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: She came in that morning and was like, guys, I've 96 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: been reading in the message. And this morning I was reading, 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,700 Speaker 1: I think it was Romans 8. She's like, just the 98 00:04:56,750 --> 00:05:00,090 Speaker 1: way the message said this, this verse was just like, 99 00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:02,010 Speaker 1: I'd never heard it said this way. It was like, 100 00:05:02,510 --> 00:05:05,150 Speaker 1: this love isn't a, I'm probably going to botch it 101 00:05:05,170 --> 00:05:07,470 Speaker 1: here because it messes, I don't know exactly. But this 102 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:10,590 Speaker 1: love isn't a grave tending kind of love is what 103 00:05:10,650 --> 00:05:13,510 Speaker 1: it said. And she was like, I just kept thinking 104 00:05:13,570 --> 00:05:16,510 Speaker 1: all morning, like I wasn't made to be tending that grave. 105 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:19,770 Speaker 1: And I was like, that was how the whole song started. 106 00:05:19,950 --> 00:05:23,190 Speaker 1: And it just, which I loved, you know, I love 107 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:26,049 Speaker 1: when you get a scripture like said in a different 108 00:05:26,089 --> 00:05:28,790 Speaker 1: way that like provokes like, oh, I've never thought of 109 00:05:28,830 --> 00:05:32,570 Speaker 1: it that way, like alive in Christ. And then, and 110 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:34,390 Speaker 1: so that kind of started the journey of that song. 111 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: And then it morphed into the verses talking about just 112 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,180 Speaker 1: our identity in Him. And, you know, the more we 113 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: learn about the Father, the more He reveals who we are. 114 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's how that song started. And it felt 115 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:49,500 Speaker 1: It felt special on that day, but like just in a, 116 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: I love this song. This song, I can't wait to 117 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,270 Speaker 1: let my wife hear this song kind of way. And, 118 00:05:55,529 --> 00:05:57,030 Speaker 1: you know, who knows? I didn't even know if I 119 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:58,670 Speaker 1: would be the one to carry that song, even though 120 00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:03,450 Speaker 1: I was, I guess, technically the only like artist in 121 00:06:03,470 --> 00:06:06,310 Speaker 1: the room. I just like, I don't know. I think 122 00:06:06,370 --> 00:06:08,500 Speaker 1: it's Jesse started it. And then she actually, I think, 123 00:06:08,570 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: sang on our, we did a little voice memo thing 124 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: of it on our phones and it was, and it 125 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: was Jesse singing it. And I thought this will be 126 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:18,260 Speaker 1: a sweet song for, a lady to sing or, you know, 127 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,900 Speaker 1: it'd be great. And then, and then I ended up 128 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:24,420 Speaker 1: singing the demo. And I remember when it finally hit me, 129 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: and I've talked about this a lot over the last 130 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:28,870 Speaker 1: few years, but when I finally, I think, realized how 131 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:31,770 Speaker 1: special that song, how needed that song was, was when 132 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:34,370 Speaker 1: I heard my kids singing it. We were taking them 133 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:37,029 Speaker 1: to school one morning and they had heard the demo. 134 00:06:37,070 --> 00:06:38,810 Speaker 1: They had heard it. They've heard all my songs like 135 00:06:38,860 --> 00:06:41,690 Speaker 1: so many times before the rest of the world hears it, 136 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: for better or worse. And I remember hearing them sing 137 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,140 Speaker 1: that verse and, I just thought, okay, this is a 138 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: song that, I mean, I feel like I need, but 139 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I just, I heard like the younger generation, 140 00:06:54,420 --> 00:06:57,099 Speaker 1: like singing, I know who I am because I know 141 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: who you are. And I'm just like, in this world, 142 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:03,100 Speaker 1: in this day and age, when they're just getting bombarded 143 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,099 Speaker 1: on social media and at school, all the things and 144 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: telling them like, this is who you should be. And 145 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,310 Speaker 1: this is who you are, or this is who you 146 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,430 Speaker 1: will never be. That's just what kept going through my 147 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: mind was like, all right, this is special. This needs 148 00:07:17,630 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: to get out. But yeah, it all started with a 149 00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:25,620 Speaker 1: different translation of a scripture and said in a new 150 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,460 Speaker 1: way that just provoked some inspiration. 151 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, all that stuff that everybody tells us we should 152 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:33,590 Speaker 2: be falls short of what God wants us to be. 153 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:34,450 Speaker 1: I love that idea. 154 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:40,410 Speaker 2: You're known, Josh, for your reflective, worshipful style, acoustic-driven style. 155 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:44,180 Speaker 2: Is that how you would describe your music style? You 156 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:47,540 Speaker 2: have a lot of just songs that kind of, I 157 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: don't know, are kind of anthems for worship. I have 158 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: trouble describing it as a non-musical artist, but how would 159 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: you describe your sound? 160 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: Oh, gosh. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I 161 00:08:00,220 --> 00:08:02,300 Speaker 1: could ask that. Well, I get asked that randomly by 162 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,580 Speaker 1: people who, well, if I'm in the airport or something 163 00:08:05,620 --> 00:08:07,060 Speaker 1: and I'm with a bunch of guys and we just 164 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,250 Speaker 1: look like we're in a band, people always be like, 165 00:08:09,610 --> 00:08:12,090 Speaker 1: are you in a band? And we're like, I mean, 166 00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:14,370 Speaker 1: we're musicians. And like, what's the name of your band? 167 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:16,690 Speaker 1: Which is funny because I'm like, how many bands are 168 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:20,489 Speaker 1: there anymore? And then it feels weird because I'm like, well, 169 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: we don't have a band name. It's just my name. 170 00:08:22,830 --> 00:08:24,340 Speaker 1: And then I have to tell them my name. And 171 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: then they don't know who I am. So then they're like, well, 172 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:30,300 Speaker 1: what kind of music? What is your sound? And I'm like, well, 173 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,420 Speaker 1: I'm a Christian artist. But it sounds like, and I'm 174 00:08:33,460 --> 00:08:35,819 Speaker 1: like trying to describe what it sounds like. I'm like, 175 00:08:36,020 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: I don't, kind of sounds like, you know, if... like 176 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,460 Speaker 1: a country artist and Tom Petty got together and got 177 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: saved and want to write worship songs. I was like, 178 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:47,469 Speaker 1: that's kind of what it sounds like, maybe. I don't know. 179 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:51,470 Speaker 1: That's a great description. Have you used that before? Yeah, yeah. 180 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:54,470 Speaker 1: I mean, I always joke around that I just want 181 00:08:54,490 --> 00:08:57,830 Speaker 1: to be the Tom Petty of worship. So I don't 182 00:08:57,870 --> 00:09:00,130 Speaker 1: know how kosher that is. 183 00:09:01,390 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: Well, since you're thinking deeply right now, let me ask 184 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:08,059 Speaker 2: you another question. Because Christian music is simultaneously a ministry 185 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: and it's a business. How do you navigate the tension 186 00:09:10,580 --> 00:09:12,819 Speaker 2: between those two worlds? And how do you make sure 187 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: your focus is right when you're writing music? 188 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:19,230 Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, that's a great question. Have you asked that 189 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:21,390 Speaker 1: to anyone else? And can you tell me their answer? 190 00:09:21,550 --> 00:09:22,569 Speaker 1: And let me tell you if that's. 191 00:09:22,610 --> 00:09:26,069 Speaker 2: Well, it's a tough question because I think, I mean, 192 00:09:26,950 --> 00:09:29,290 Speaker 2: I'm a writer and I try to write for the Lord, 193 00:09:29,309 --> 00:09:30,350 Speaker 2: but sometimes you just. 194 00:09:31,090 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: I think it's tough. You're a child of Adam, Josh. 195 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: It's a tough line to walk. It is. 196 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: It is. 197 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,550 Speaker 1: It is. And I'm a man. I'm trying to take 198 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:54,850 Speaker 1: care of my home. I'm trying to provide for my family. 199 00:09:54,890 --> 00:09:57,990 Speaker 1: And I've chosen this as my career and the way 200 00:09:58,030 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: to do it. And it is crazy to walk in 201 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: that line of thinking that way and thinking like, I 202 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,620 Speaker 1: want to steward this well. I want to be wise. 203 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: But then also, I don't want to be motivated by 204 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: that per se, like in what I'm writing and I 205 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: am this is like, I'm also a ministry and this 206 00:10:18,070 --> 00:10:21,210 Speaker 1: is where I'm called to be and do. And I 207 00:10:21,270 --> 00:10:25,510 Speaker 1: don't want to write songs to thinking like, oh, is 208 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:27,390 Speaker 1: the radio going to play this or is the, you know, 209 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:30,929 Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm always like trying to check my heart. Okay. Like, 210 00:10:31,010 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: what is the heart of this song? What am I 211 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,820 Speaker 1: feeling right now? And making sure it is in the 212 00:10:37,860 --> 00:10:40,900 Speaker 1: right place. And I feel like it is most of 213 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,140 Speaker 1: the time. I mean, there's, I definitely get, I'm definitely 214 00:10:44,179 --> 00:10:48,380 Speaker 1: surround myself with people who keep me in check too, 215 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:52,820 Speaker 1: and make my wife definitely, and parents, and I think 216 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: that's all, that's helpful. But I'm sure probably also in 217 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:57,700 Speaker 1: your career, you're seeing. 218 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,100 Speaker 2: Jesus use your filthy rags to make something grand that 219 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,470 Speaker 2: you didn't expect, you know? 220 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:05,230 Speaker 1: Yes. 221 00:11:05,290 --> 00:11:07,550 Speaker 2: That's kind of a cool thing as well, because Jesus 222 00:11:07,570 --> 00:11:09,949 Speaker 2: can take anything that you have and turn it into 223 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:10,810 Speaker 2: whatever he wants it to be. 224 00:11:11,450 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And I think that's, Yeah. That's just a 225 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:17,460 Speaker 1: good example of when that happens, I know, okay, it's 226 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: not about me. 227 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:20,340 Speaker 2: Like what you were saying about Made for More. 228 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:21,140 Speaker 1: Right. 229 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,260 Speaker 2: Totally. You thought it would be good, but you didn't 230 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,620 Speaker 2: think it was going to be that big. 231 00:11:27,340 --> 00:11:29,780 Speaker 1: No, I didn't think... I thought it was special. I 232 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: thought it would help people. I didn't know that it would... 233 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it'd be on radio. I didn't know... 234 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,380 Speaker 1: I didn't think... I fully didn't think churches would say. 235 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:41,670 Speaker 1: I thought... churches would be like, this song's too much 236 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:43,630 Speaker 1: I and me, me. Cause that's what I thought. I'm like, 237 00:11:43,710 --> 00:11:45,670 Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I'm not gonna leave this song in church 238 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:48,630 Speaker 1: like this, but yeah. And so when that stuff like 239 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:51,430 Speaker 1: that happens, it's like, well, that's awesome. I'm glad that 240 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:53,150 Speaker 1: that didn't happen with a song that I thought was 241 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:55,229 Speaker 1: going to be amazing. You know, like the song's about 242 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:57,429 Speaker 1: the glory and power of Christ. So that's what song 243 00:11:57,450 --> 00:11:59,890 Speaker 1: is about because it, yeah, he made you for more. 244 00:12:00,630 --> 00:12:02,829 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, you use Kickstarter early 245 00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:05,010 Speaker 1: in your career. I thought that was fascinating. Yeah. Oh 246 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:09,630 Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah. Where, how, how, How did that work out? 247 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:11,890 Speaker 2: And what gave you that idea? 248 00:12:11,950 --> 00:12:15,500 Speaker 1: And were you surprised at the success it had? Oh, yeah. Well, 249 00:12:16,059 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: it worked out great. Here I am. But the reason 250 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,460 Speaker 1: I did that is because I was broke. I had 251 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:29,470 Speaker 1: no money to pay for anything. And no label. I 252 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:34,810 Speaker 1: was even married. No, I'd just gotten married. Yes. And 253 00:12:34,850 --> 00:12:39,510 Speaker 1: that was my second album. And the first album was, 254 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:42,870 Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't need Kickstarter because it didn't cost 255 00:12:42,910 --> 00:12:45,069 Speaker 1: me much of a thing. And it sounds like it 256 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:48,660 Speaker 1: didn't cost much. But the second one, this one was 257 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,819 Speaker 1: like the first one where I thought, man, these are 258 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,819 Speaker 1: some good songs. I really need to like go for 259 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:56,820 Speaker 1: this and spend money on it. And so, yeah, that 260 00:12:56,860 --> 00:13:00,170 Speaker 1: was Kickstarter. It just started to be a thing, I think. 261 00:13:00,270 --> 00:13:02,949 Speaker 1: And especially like in the world of in the music 262 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:05,590 Speaker 1: world and making albums. And I had, I had a friend, 263 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:08,010 Speaker 1: John Martin McMillan, one of my, one of my close 264 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: friends and a artist from years ago that some people 265 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,140 Speaker 1: might know he wrote how he loves. And we grew 266 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,500 Speaker 1: up together in Charlotte and he had just done Kickstarter. 267 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,700 Speaker 1: And I remember him encouraging me to do it. And, um, 268 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: and so, yeah, I did. And, and we just barely 269 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:25,870 Speaker 1: got enough money to make a house. I can't remember 270 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:29,730 Speaker 1: how much it was for. I want to say, $ 13, 000. 271 00:13:28,130 --> 00:13:36,010 Speaker 2: It was over $ 10, 000. 272 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:36,430 Speaker 1: I guess it helped you make the CDs. It helped 273 00:13:36,450 --> 00:13:40,569 Speaker 1: me finish mixing and mastering the album and paying the 274 00:13:40,590 --> 00:13:47,820 Speaker 1: band and print the CDs. That was 2013. This is 275 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: back at CD time that you were making. This is 276 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: CD time, yeah. I still have CDs. It's funny. We 277 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:56,660 Speaker 1: go out on tour and sell them and I'm shocked 278 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:57,460 Speaker 1: that people still get them. 279 00:13:58,380 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: I think they're more of a collector's item. It's like 280 00:14:00,450 --> 00:14:03,210 Speaker 2: something to sign, something you get at the merch table. Yeah, 281 00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: I've done that before. You have a tour coming up. 282 00:14:05,690 --> 00:14:06,710 Speaker 2: Let's talk briefly about that. 283 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:07,390 Speaker 3: Yeah. 284 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:11,630 Speaker 1: And joshbaldwin.com, I guess that's what people tell people. It's 285 00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:14,970 Speaker 1: the website, joshbaldwin.com. Yeah. Like 15 cities or so, 16, 17, 286 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,780 Speaker 1: I forget how many cities you're in. I think it's 287 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:21,540 Speaker 1: 15 or 16 or 17. I forget. Yeah, I don't. 288 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: I know, I do too. I hit you up there. Oh, no, 289 00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: you're fine. It's, yeah, October, part of November. 290 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 291 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:29,590 Speaker 2: And before we close here, I do want to talk 292 00:14:29,630 --> 00:14:32,300 Speaker 2: about something that those who are watching on video are 293 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: seeing in the background. 294 00:14:33,260 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: You've got six guitars behind you, another one behind your chair. Oh, 295 00:14:39,380 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: my goodness. We're up to 10 or 15 now. What's 296 00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:47,890 Speaker 1: the story behind that? I've got one right here. Hours 297 00:14:47,950 --> 00:14:53,190 Speaker 1: and hours. So it's funny. I started with none. I 298 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:57,850 Speaker 1: have a Taylor over here that's like a 20-year-old. 714 299 00:14:58,490 --> 00:15:01,690 Speaker 1: Taylor that was given to me by kind of one 300 00:15:01,730 --> 00:15:06,470 Speaker 1: of my heroes, Don Potter. He's a country musician, helped 301 00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: start the Judds and work with Chuck Mangione, but he's 302 00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:13,900 Speaker 1: an old friend of mine. He actually gave me that guitar, 303 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:16,100 Speaker 1: and that kind of kick-started all of it. And then 304 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,620 Speaker 1: I have an old Yamaha, 1970 Yamaha that was my 305 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:24,580 Speaker 1: dad's that he gave me. I found a 12-string 76 306 00:15:24,580 --> 00:15:27,130 Speaker 1: Martin back there, and then a Martin here that I 307 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:30,260 Speaker 1: play a lot, OM-21. I got an HD-28 over here 308 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:31,660 Speaker 1: that I've been playing for three years. 309 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,100 Speaker 2: So when you tour, though, Josh, how many guitars do 310 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,359 Speaker 2: you have? Is it like a football team where you 311 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: have a mainstream in the back? 312 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:45,460 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have like the starters. I mostly play acoustic. 313 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: I have an old Rickenbacker Electric that I take out 314 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: and play a lot, you know, because I want to 315 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:54,530 Speaker 1: be Tom Petty, so. Um, and then, uh, you know, 316 00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: what's funny, I bought, I'll take, I take like two 317 00:15:57,010 --> 00:15:59,010 Speaker 1: or three of the acoustics and then I usually take my, 318 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:01,660 Speaker 1: my Rickenbacker and I have a Tele that I take. 319 00:16:02,180 --> 00:16:06,860 Speaker 1: But I, um, I bought a guitar case this past summer, 320 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: a bit like one of those big tour guitar cases 321 00:16:09,460 --> 00:16:11,700 Speaker 1: you can roll on the trailer and put all your 322 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,940 Speaker 1: guitars in. So I put, I bought it for my 323 00:16:13,980 --> 00:16:16,180 Speaker 1: guitars and my, and my bass player and my guitar, 324 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:19,890 Speaker 1: my electric, his guitars. Um, And I actually bought it 325 00:16:19,950 --> 00:16:22,990 Speaker 1: from We The Kingdom. Scott Cash from We The Kingdom. 326 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,260 Speaker 1: He was selling it. And so it was great. I 327 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: bought it. Well, I took it out on the weekend, 328 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: a weekend run this past summer for some festivals. We 329 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: were like, we're loading the thing up. I hadn't opened 330 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:37,230 Speaker 1: it yet because I had just grabbed it from his 331 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:41,570 Speaker 1: shed and rolled it. And we opened the guitars up 332 00:16:41,690 --> 00:16:45,510 Speaker 1: and there's like three awesome guitars in there. Like a 333 00:16:45,570 --> 00:16:51,300 Speaker 1: Collings Electric... 1982 335 Gibson and then a Les Paul. 334 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:53,900 Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh my goodness, Scott just left 335 00:16:53,940 --> 00:16:58,210 Speaker 1: his guitars. And so I was literally going out. So 336 00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:00,310 Speaker 1: we couldn't, I, you know, it was midnight or alone 337 00:17:00,350 --> 00:17:02,190 Speaker 1: on the bus. I was like, I guess they're just 338 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:05,429 Speaker 1: coming with us. So his guitars. So half of these 339 00:17:05,470 --> 00:17:07,690 Speaker 1: guitars over here, aren't mine. They're Scott cashes that he 340 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:10,540 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten them back. And he, I text him and 341 00:17:10,580 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: I was like, dude, he's not good. They're not going out. 342 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: They're not traveling this year. So he's not doing anything. 343 00:17:15,540 --> 00:17:17,869 Speaker 1: He's like, dude, You're going out on tour. Take them 344 00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:21,709 Speaker 1: with you. So I'm going to play his 335 out 345 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: on tour, too. But that'll be good. That'll be good. 346 00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:29,179 Speaker 1: People can see what it sounds like. Yeah, that'll be awesome. Josh, 347 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: good talking to you. Thanks. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah, 348 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: such a treat. 349 00:17:35,420 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: If you like today's episode, please subscribe and leave a 350 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:40,790 Speaker 3: five star review. That's how we help more people just 351 00:17:40,869 --> 00:17:43,629 Speaker 3: like you find the show. A big thanks to the 352 00:17:43,670 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: team at Life Audio for their partnership with us on 353 00:17:46,340 --> 00:17:49,580 Speaker 3: the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio.com, you will find 354 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,770 Speaker 3: dozens of other faith-centered podcasts in their network. 355 00:17:53,410 --> 00:17:53,990 Speaker 1: See you next time.