WEBVTT - The Beginning of Exodus | Weekend Torah Teaching 

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<v Speaker 1>Life Audio on today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Shakespeare is a genius. In fact, I'm reading Hamlet now,

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<v Speaker 2>believe it or not. I should have read it in

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<v Speaker 2>high school. But I'm enjoying it more now, I suspect

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<v Speaker 2>than I would have then.

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<v Speaker 3>I suspect I'll read Hamlet again and yet again.

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<v Speaker 2>But having read other plays by Shakespeare, the repeated study

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<v Speaker 2>does not reveal enormous new insights every time I do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I am amazed at how many new insights I learn

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<v Speaker 2>each time I study a chapter in the Torah.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a depth to it that I have found

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere else in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can say, brilliant people wrote it. You certainly

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<v Speaker 2>have that prerogative. I don't believe, though, in such superhuman

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<v Speaker 2>abilities as I find in the depth of the words

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<v Speaker 2>of the Torah. So I believe that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>divine human interaction that makes it. Being that it is,

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<v Speaker 2>to me therefore a religious text, and being that in

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism it is a religious obligation to study Torah and

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<v Speaker 2>unrelated texts. I wear a keypot when I teach Torah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I always make this introductory statement. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>understand why I do it.

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<v Speaker 3>With that, I will begin the Book of Exodus.

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<v Speaker 2>My intellect tells me that I have to be open

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<v Speaker 2>to serious inquiry. The Torah itself, by the way, does

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<v Speaker 2>not make the claim that God wrote it. If God

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the Torah, you would assume that God would use

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<v Speaker 2>the first person, for example, in the beginning to heapens

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<v Speaker 2>in the Earth, because God does use the first person frequently.

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<v Speaker 3>When he speaks.

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<v Speaker 2>As to the question of why I say he and

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<v Speaker 2>not she or he she, I have written an article

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<v Speaker 2>on why God should be regarded as a father not

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<v Speaker 2>a mother.

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<v Speaker 3>It's available along with many of my other.

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<v Speaker 2>Writings and tapes outside. It's not a commercial. It's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know about that. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>thought the issue through. I do not regard God as

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<v Speaker 2>a man, obviously. However, I have only two other choices.

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<v Speaker 3>She or it.

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<v Speaker 2>God is clearly not an it, and she makes God

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<v Speaker 2>a woman, and if I have to use a metaphor,

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer the male metaphor. But it's solely a metaphor.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not a statement of nonequality. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>statement of many other things, which perhaps when we get

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<v Speaker 2>to other parts I'll get into. But having already written

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<v Speaker 2>on it, I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Take your time with it. I believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Torah for me is different than any other book.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, I do believe that the Torah is divine,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I intellectually do not assert that God wrote

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<v Speaker 2>every word. Does that make sense to you that a

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<v Speaker 2>book can be divine and yet God not be the

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<v Speaker 2>dictator of every word? To a secretary, a Shakespeare is

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<v Speaker 2>a genius. In fact, I'm reading Hamlet now, believe it

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<v Speaker 2>or not. I should have read it in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm enjoying it more now, I suspect than I

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<v Speaker 2>would have then. I suspect I'll read Hamlet again and

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<v Speaker 2>yet again. But having read other plays by Shakespeare, the

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<v Speaker 2>repeated study does not reveal enormous new insights every time

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<v Speaker 2>I do it. I am amazed at how many new

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<v Speaker 2>insights I learn each time I study a chapter in

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<v Speaker 2>the Torah. There is a depth to it that I

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<v Speaker 2>have found nowhere else in life. Now you can say,

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant people wrote it. You certainly have that prerogative. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe, though, in such superhuman abilities as I find

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<v Speaker 2>in the depth of the words of the Torah. So

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that there is a divine human interaction that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it. Being that it is to me therefore a

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<v Speaker 2>religious text, and being that in Judaism it is a

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<v Speaker 2>religious obligation to study Torah and unrelated texts. I wear

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<v Speaker 2>a key pot when I teach Torah. So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I always make this introductory statement. You'll understand why I

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 3>With that, I will begin the Book of Exodus.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have cleared our engineering problem, Thank God,

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<v Speaker 2>thank the engineer.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know in which order. That's a great theological question.

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<v Speaker 1>That I would like to figure that one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah right, I hope we finished chapter one today, because

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter one itself is so rich. Torah has varying richnesses. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>some factors go much faster than others. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>what translations you use. I will do most of it

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<v Speaker 2>in English. Sometimes I'll make reference to the Hebrew only

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<v Speaker 2>because I know it in Hebrew better than in English.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the way I first learned it, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>But most of you, of course don't know Hebrew, so

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<v Speaker 2>I won't relate to it often except to make a

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<v Speaker 2>point so that you'll understand better why I'm saying something,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. The last we had was the family of

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob of Israel going to Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a famine, as you recall, and Joseph had.

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<v Speaker 2>Made it quite remarkably successfully in Egypt, remarkable for his

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<v Speaker 2>minority status as a Hebrew, remarkable because of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he was rejected by his brothers. And the story

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<v Speaker 2>there is, of course one of them famous in the Torah.

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<v Speaker 3>And these are the names the Ela Shimod.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the names of the sons of Israel who

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<v Speaker 2>came to Egypt with Jacob, each coming with his household,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ruvein Altstulman Hebrew Ruvein Shimond Levy and Yehuda is

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<v Speaker 2>Satars Vulun and Benjamin or Vinyamin, dn Nafpali God and Asher,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of those coming out of the thigh.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, let's see how they have it here.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob's issue were seventy Joseph being already in Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph died.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is now how we This is simply setting

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<v Speaker 2>the stage for the most important event in Jewish history

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<v Speaker 2>for all of Judaism revolves around the slavery and the

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<v Speaker 2>liberation and the gating of the of the Torah or

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<v Speaker 2>the Ten Commandments at Sinai. This is the central Jewish experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Christians here will relate. There is a central experience in

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<v Speaker 2>each religion. The central experience, of course, the death and

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<v Speaker 2>resurrection with Jesus for a Christian.

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<v Speaker 3>The difference.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many differences in the central Jewish and central

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<v Speaker 2>Christian experiences, but one obvious difference is that the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>centrality happened to the whole people, whereas the Christian centrality

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<v Speaker 2>happened essentially to one who is Man God. In Christian theology.

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<v Speaker 2>You will make of it what you wish. I am

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<v Speaker 2>not a usually a better or worse believer. They're simply

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<v Speaker 2>different approaches, but the central events are different and help

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<v Speaker 2>make them different religions and God blessed differences.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not one who.

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<v Speaker 2>Believes all religions are the same with the little variations

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<v Speaker 2>of rhetoric, they have certain deep similarities, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing, but they are not the same. If

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<v Speaker 2>they were the same, we would all be interchangeable. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is a great thing that we have many religions,

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<v Speaker 2>as it happens, and I think God is happy with

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<v Speaker 2>that fact. I think God wants us to worship one God,

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<v Speaker 2>but not necessarily be members of one religion.

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<v Speaker 3>And certainly that is the Jewish belief.

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<v Speaker 2>The Jewish belief is that the world should come to

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<v Speaker 2>one God, but not necessarily all convert to Judaism.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a painful conversion in any event, and Judaism is

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<v Speaker 3>not into pain. The Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>These are then the the the children of Israel coming

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<v Speaker 2>into UH, into Egypt, and Joseph and all his brothers

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<v Speaker 2>and that entire generation die.

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<v Speaker 3>That's verse six, verse seven, and Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The Uh and the children of Israel were fertile and prolific.

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<v Speaker 2>They multiplied and increased very greatly, so that the land

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<v Speaker 2>was filled with them. A few points on this. On

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<v Speaker 2>this verse, the the words for what the Jews did

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<v Speaker 2>in Egypt in Hebrew are the same words as the

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<v Speaker 2>creation words about multiplying and spreading along the land. The Sarna,

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<v Speaker 2>whom I will make many references to the Great Professor Nahamsarna,

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<v Speaker 2>who has a two volume commentary, One Genesis on One

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<v Speaker 2>Exodus On published by the Jewish Publication Society, notes in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Regard about the how for.

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism Israel is a new humanity, just like the world

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<v Speaker 2>was created anew by God.

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<v Speaker 3>In the beginning, the same verbs are used.

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<v Speaker 2>Again for how the Jews multiplied, as if a new

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<v Speaker 2>creation is taking place, and indeed, in Judaism, the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>view is that, in effect, the Jewish people and Judaism

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<v Speaker 2>represent a new creation. To summarize again an article I

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<v Speaker 2>have written that I commend to you simply titled why

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<v Speaker 2>are there Jews? The Jewish belief is that God wants

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<v Speaker 2>the world to be good. The sick desire of God

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<v Speaker 2>is that God wants the world to treat each other well.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll prove it to you. It's a funny word

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<v Speaker 3>to use, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to prove it to you to the extent

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<v Speaker 2>that you can accept that God is our parent. I

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<v Speaker 2>ask every one of you who is a parent, a question,

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<v Speaker 2>what hurts you the most if your child is mean

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<v Speaker 2>in any way to you, or your child is mean

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<v Speaker 2>to a sibling. I think the vast majority of parents,

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<v Speaker 2>and I speak as a parent. Are much more interested

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately that our children love each other than that they

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<v Speaker 2>love us. It's expected they leave us. That's the way

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. That our children will grow up. We

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<v Speaker 2>hope they'll always love us. It's a great bonus in life,

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<v Speaker 2>needless to say, and it certainly beats their hating us.

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<v Speaker 2>But the deepest pain from when they are at home,

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<v Speaker 2>or let's put it this way, the deepest joy. Forget

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<v Speaker 2>the pain part is when if you see your kids

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<v Speaker 2>hug each other, you feel you've your job. Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>your kid didn't hug you much, but hug another sibling

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, you would have felt successful as a parent,

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas if they hug you a lot but didn't hug

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<v Speaker 2>each other at all, you would not feel nearly as successful.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine then, God, who doesn't need any hugs like we

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<v Speaker 2>need hugs.

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<v Speaker 3>God doesn't need anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine then, how God feels when his children mistreat each other,

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<v Speaker 2>when not only don't they hug, but they torture and

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<v Speaker 2>they murder and they rape. Imagine how God feels. Then

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I believe it is understandable. It is not

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<v Speaker 2>merely an odd or even folks. The idea of Judaism

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<v Speaker 2>that God's deepest concern is that people treat each other decently.

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<v Speaker 2>We understand it through the metaphor of our own parenthood,

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<v Speaker 2>that we want our children to treat each other decently.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if that's God's greatest demand, how did God go

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<v Speaker 3>about doing it?

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<v Speaker 2>Very briefly, God first tries through creating conscience, simple conscience

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<v Speaker 2>that every human being, according to the Biblical view, every

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<v Speaker 2>human being has an.

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<v Speaker 3>Elemental notion of right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>That even primitives who murdered in some part of them

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<v Speaker 2>knew that it was wrong, but they simply justified it

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<v Speaker 2>through whatever means. Oh, I do it for the nation,

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<v Speaker 2>I do it because it feels good. I do it

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<v Speaker 2>because of my religion wants child sacrifice, whatever. Clearly, Then

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<v Speaker 2>conscience fails. Then God tries something else. God reveals seven

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<v Speaker 2>basic moral laws to Noah after the flood, and why

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<v Speaker 2>did the flood come?

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<v Speaker 3>Because people were bad? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Then God tries again, and then we fail again. The

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<v Speaker 2>world is filled with evil all over again. Then, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Judaism, God tries a third attempt to have the

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<v Speaker 2>world be good. Incidentally, what you have is you will

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<v Speaker 2>understand this. Christianity believes in a fourth to tenth, and

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<v Speaker 2>Islam believes in the fifth to tenth, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>will in a in a different fifth attent, Mormons would

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<v Speaker 2>believe in a specific revelation through Joseph Smith. So that

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<v Speaker 2>every every religion emanating from Judaism believes that God has

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<v Speaker 2>made another attempt through it to fix this miserable thing

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<v Speaker 2>called humanity, which is really what it is about. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got to fix it didn't work. If it worked, who

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<v Speaker 2>would need the next revelation. That's what Islam holds. Islam

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<v Speaker 2>holds the Jews corrupted it and the Christians corrupted it

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<v Speaker 2>even more, and therefore Muhammad had to come to set

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<v Speaker 2>the record straight. And you have that essentially, that is

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<v Speaker 2>what Christian belief of the New Israel is. The old

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has gotten it wrong in not understanding what the

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<v Speaker 2>new Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>The new the new covenant of the heart. We don't need a.

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<v Speaker 2>Covenant of the flesh is a basic Christian doctrine.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jews, can you have this covenant of the flesh,

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<v Speaker 3>but really, now it's of the heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Judaism believes in this third attempt, the third attempt

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<v Speaker 2>being the Jews. The Jews are God's third attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>make the world good. Why the Jews not because they're

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<v Speaker 2>better than anybody else. In fact, that Toa goes out

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<v Speaker 2>of its way to say.

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<v Speaker 4>The Jews aren't better than anybody else, and that the

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<v Speaker 4>proof of Judaism's greatness is precisely that God shows a

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<v Speaker 4>group that isn't particularly distinguished, that was a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>slaves wandering in the desert.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can make them good, then you see the

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<v Speaker 2>power of my recipe. That's the idea. If they can

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<v Speaker 2>influence the world. Clearly, the idea is good there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not merely that they're powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is this new humanity idea.

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<v Speaker 2>With now the Jews going to become Jewish for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time until now the Jews are Hebrews. They become,

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<v Speaker 2>as we understand, the Jews, though the term isn't used

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<v Speaker 2>in the Torah. In other words, advocate or devotees of

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism at Sinai. That's when the Jewish religious experience begins.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is why Sarna speaks of this new

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<v Speaker 2>humanity as it were of the Jews in Egypt. The

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<v Speaker 2>final words of verse seven are and the earth filled

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<v Speaker 2>with them in the Jews, the Hebrews were kept in

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<v Speaker 2>one area in Egypt called Goshen. But so this statement says,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jews did not stick to Goshen.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jews were going all through Egypt. You get it?

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<v Speaker 2>That is why again, will the more you study with me,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you realize the way to study Scripture.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the way to read newspaper articles. For

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<v Speaker 3>that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I read so slowly. It's a curse and a

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<v Speaker 2>blessing because this is the way I was thought to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is I always ask why does it use

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<v Speaker 2>those words and not others? Why does it say and

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<v Speaker 2>the earth was filled with them? And the answers understood

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<v Speaker 2>by commentators is to show that they went all over,

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<v Speaker 2>They lived all through Egypt. They didn't stick only to Goshen,

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<v Speaker 2>where they were a living.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Brager's timeless wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Then comes one of the most well known verses in

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<v Speaker 2>the Torah.

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<v Speaker 3>It is of tremendous profundity, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to explicate it for a moment. However, I just

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<v Speaker 2>realized I want to make a point.

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<v Speaker 3>Be I'll talk about I'm going to make the point next.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do that a lot. Forgive me. There are so

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<v Speaker 3>many points I want to make. I don't know which

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<v Speaker 3>verse to make it.

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<v Speaker 2>On verse eight, a new king arose on Egypt who

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<v Speaker 2>did not know Joseph.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a phenomenal, a phenomenal statement. What had Joseph done,

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<v Speaker 2>even true or not true? In other words, historically verifiable

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<v Speaker 2>was not the issue. But in the story of the Tory,

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<v Speaker 2>he saved Egypt, he saved its life vayatamlakadash. But a

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<v Speaker 2>new king arose who didn't know Joseph. This verse describes

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<v Speaker 2>what I have come at mid age.

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<v Speaker 3>At forty six is middle of middle age.

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<v Speaker 2>I have come to believe is the ugliest human trait

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<v Speaker 2>in gratitude.

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<v Speaker 3>It is one of the most common, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>outside it, I mean absolute pure cruelty, which is pretty rare. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>the most ubiquitous ugly trait is ingratitude.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry is he arises the new king aro who did

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<v Speaker 2>not know Joseph. In other words, I owe nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>this group that saved my country. This, incidentally, is really paradigmatic,

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<v Speaker 2>not only of most people's lives. I am sure every

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<v Speaker 2>one of you has had a scarring experience within gratitude.

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<v Speaker 2>What does one would put it, no good deed goes unpunished?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the way it's stated. You know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very cynical statement, but there's a lot of truth to it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I will use.

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<v Speaker 2>One contemporary example which is painful for me to use,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is not an anti any group statement, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would but using a Jewish parallel in the contemporary era,

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<v Speaker 2>when I hear Black anti semitism, I think of this

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<v Speaker 2>of this verse. Now, this is most Blacks are not

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic, And that's not my point. My point is

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<v Speaker 2>only to illustrate a given point view Jews were, And

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who knows me knows I am not a Jewish chauvinist.

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<v Speaker 2>I am deeply critical of many Jewish policies, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>But I try to be fair and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to bend over backwards to be unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact of the matter is that Jews played a

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<v Speaker 2>phenomenally disproportionate role in the Civil rights movement, from those

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<v Speaker 2>who died in it to those who founded founded the NAACP,

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<v Speaker 2>who were its leading advocates in court. That it was

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish lawyers primarily who argued civil rights legislation in the

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<v Speaker 2>fifties before the US Supreme Court, and that now it

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<v Speaker 2>has almost come to haunt the Jews. There is almost

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<v Speaker 2>a resentment of that fact on the part of black nationalists,

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<v Speaker 2>not the general black community, but black nationalists. I only

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<v Speaker 2>use that as an example to show you how history

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<v Speaker 2>repeats itself. It's almost as if a new leader arose

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<v Speaker 2>in the civil rights community who didn't know and then

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<v Speaker 2>fill in the name of various Jack Greenberg, Okay, to

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<v Speaker 2>give one prominent lawyer.

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<v Speaker 3>For the NAACP.

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<v Speaker 2>And it happens with any given group. But here is

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<v Speaker 2>a contemporary example. There is another interesting etymological point here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is a slight tore dig at the Pharaoh.

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<v Speaker 2>Here at the king of Egypt, it says, and a

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<v Speaker 2>new king arose on Egypt. I think there's an implication

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<v Speaker 2>that the guy is a tyrant, not only a tyrant

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<v Speaker 2>visa v the Jews, but a tyrant visa v his

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<v Speaker 2>own people. Okay, because the Hebrew normally would have stated

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<v Speaker 2>by Jakamela kadash BIMs Ryan, a new king arose in Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>not on Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>You see what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the what do you have in your over Egypt?

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, that's a perfect example. Over Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. A new king arose over Egypt exactly, which

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<v Speaker 3>is what he was. He was a tyrant.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he was regarded as a god. The Pharaoh

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<v Speaker 2>was a god to Egyptians. And he said to his

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<v Speaker 2>nation or to his people, this is verse this is

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<v Speaker 2>verse nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, look this nation, the children of Israel, is very big.

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<v Speaker 3>And let's see how he and much too numerous for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, literally, it's too big and strong, bigger and stronger

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<v Speaker 2>than us. Now here is an interesting use of words.

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<v Speaker 2>You very rarely get the notion I'm ben Israel, the

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<v Speaker 2>nation of the children of Israel. It is extremely rare usage.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two words for nation, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>subject very dear to my heart. Any of you who

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<v Speaker 2>know me from my radio work will know in a

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<v Speaker 2>moment there are two words in the Torah in Hebrew

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<v Speaker 2>for nation, am and GOI. Now all of you probably

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<v Speaker 2>heard gouy and you think it's the Yiddish or Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>word for non jew.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a guy, right, She's a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>The truth of the matter is that is of course

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<v Speaker 2>popular Jewish expression he's a guy is he's a non Jew.

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<v Speaker 2>Goi is not in any way a negative term. It

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<v Speaker 2>only means nation. In fact, the Jews are commanded by

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<v Speaker 2>God in Leviticus to be a goi kadosh, to be

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<v Speaker 2>a holy goy. When Isaiah says nations shall not live

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<v Speaker 2>sword against nation, it's lo issa goi el goyere uses

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<v Speaker 2>the word goi. Okay, so there's no pejorative intent. The

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<v Speaker 2>word am is different from the word goi, and the

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<v Speaker 2>different is am is blood.

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<v Speaker 3>There are two.

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<v Speaker 2>Words for nation, and I wish we all had it.

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<v Speaker 2>In Hebrew, goy and am Am means blood ties, nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Goi means nation, but not based necessarily on blood ties.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The Jewish dream is that, in fact, the world not

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<v Speaker 2>be based on blood ties. It is, indeed, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>the only dream ultimately that will save humanity, given the

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<v Speaker 2>horrors of blood. Historically, blood is the greatest blood beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>are the greatest source of cruelty in history, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you are not my blood, you're not valuable. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the way in which people have generally lived. If you

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<v Speaker 2>read about the way in which, for example, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the Germans perfected it with racism. If you're not Arian,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not human, you are a lesser human, you're an

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<v Speaker 2>untermens an under man. The Japanese believed that of other Asians.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only coming out now the atrocities directed by the

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese government. Not every army has atrocities, but directed by

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<v Speaker 2>the nation against Koreans and against Chinese in particular, in

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<v Speaker 2>the twentieth century. The medical experiments performed on Chinese by

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<v Speaker 2>the Japanese were identical in many ways, identical. It's frightening

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<v Speaker 2>when you read about it. And this is all new

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<v Speaker 2>to me. It just has come out, and it's new

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<v Speaker 2>to most people to what Mengola, the Nazi doctor did

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<v Speaker 2>in the Nazi death camp of Auspitz, of concentration camps.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is because of the belief that the Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>and other non Japanese people are not real, They're not

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<v Speaker 2>our blood.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the way Pharaoh addresses the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Our blood nation is threatened by their blood nation.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you understand how the day difference.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the word am is used here and not good.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not merely a simple political threat. The purity

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<v Speaker 2>of us Egyptians is threatened by this other blood group,

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<v Speaker 2>the children of Israel. All right, that's very important, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in understanding Jew hatred historically. That's why he doesn't say

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<v Speaker 2>we are threatened by the children of Israel. We are

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<v Speaker 2>threatened by the am of the children of Israel, which

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<v Speaker 2>brings me to the point, a very critical point here

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<v Speaker 2>of the roots of anti Semitism, of jew of Jew hatred.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Semitism is a terrible word. It means anti against

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<v Speaker 2>the Semi, but it's never what it meant. It always meant,

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<v Speaker 2>since the term was coined in the late nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 2>by wilhil Maher, a German, anti Semi had always meant

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<v Speaker 2>anti Jewish jew hatred is a better term than anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 3>At any rate, I have come.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote a co authored a book on anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>called Why the Jews, and I have only realized in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Last few months that I would actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Revise the book, which is not typical. I generally don't

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<v Speaker 2>write until I've really felt I have formulated something. I

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<v Speaker 2>would pay more attention to the blood issue in the

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<v Speaker 2>I would keep the book exactly as it is, the

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<v Speaker 2>roots of anti the root or the reason for anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would add This the reason that Hitler so

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<v Speaker 2>hated the Jews. There were many reasons that we discussed,

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<v Speaker 2>but what distinguished him was a belief in blood. Jews

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<v Speaker 2>are ultimately the world's polluters of blood purity. If you

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<v Speaker 2>are into the purity of blood, the Jews are your

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<v Speaker 2>quintessential enemy, because wherever the Jews are, they assimilate in

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<v Speaker 2>part and yet stay Jewish in part. So they're part

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<v Speaker 2>of you, but they're not totally part of you, because

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<v Speaker 2>they're not your blood. Even if they fully give up

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<v Speaker 2>their identity, as many German Jews did, it didn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>to Hitler because they became That was why they were

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<v Speaker 2>regarded as even more dangerous. The Jew who looked Jewish,

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<v Speaker 2>lived Jewish and state isolated did not threaten Hitler as

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<v Speaker 2>much as the assimilated Jews threatened Hitler. The assimilated Jew

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<v Speaker 2>was the ultimate polluter of German purity. If you believe

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<v Speaker 2>in the purity of a nation, the Jews are the ultimate,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, the quintessence of the opposition to you,

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<v Speaker 2>because Jews are all over the place. It's the only

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<v Speaker 2>nation in effect that is all over the place. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, there are you know, I mean there were

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<v Speaker 2>Ugandans in different places. The world has changed today, but

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<v Speaker 2>historically the only nations to keep its identity and still

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<v Speaker 2>be all over were the Jews. Listen, weren't there other nations?

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't there Agagites and Mesopotamians and Gilgemites and Thekkadians.

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<v Speaker 3>Where are they? What happened to them?

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't exterminated, They assimilated, They became whatever they were.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Jews stayed a.

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Nation and still assimilated, still became parts of others. This

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>is what Father's Pharaoh, and this is what Father Hitler.

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Look at this group. They are all over the place.

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>This Ambineusrael. It could have been Hitler speaking in verse nine.

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>This Israelite nation is all over the place, and we

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>have to do something about it. He doesn't like the

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:13.959
<v Speaker 2>fact that Jews are all over Egypt, maintaining their identity

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and yet being a part of the of Egyptian life.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>He was interested in I'm in blood nation, purity, you

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 2>with me. And this has been historically a factor in antisemitism.

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not the only factor by any means. Christian anti

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Semitism was not racist. Christian anti semitism was theological. You

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>deny Christ, you are ultimately Christ killers. By denying Christ,

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in every generation, you rekill Christ, as some church.

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Anti semi held.

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And so however, if you become Christian and give up Judaism,

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you're fine with us. But you could never give up

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 2>being Jewish to a racist because you can't change your blood,

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>you can change your theology.

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 3>That is why. Incidentally, and I'll always.

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Have a couple of incidental thoughts that I think are

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>worth offering. Incidentally, that is why Christianity could never have

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>produced the Holocaust.

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Whatever roots the.

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Holocaust may have in fifteen hundred years of Christian anti semitism,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:30.959
<v Speaker 2>Christianity would never have called for racist anti semitism, let

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<v Speaker 2>alone for the extermination of the Jews, because as bad

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>as a Christian antisemit might have been, as much as

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>He hated you on Wednesday.

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 3>If Thursday you affer in Christ, you were a brother

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 3>in Christ. Woll unto you. If you practice Judaism secretly,

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 3>which is what the Inquisition was about.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you truly converted, and truly even included by force,

0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you were fine. You could not convert being Egyptian. In fact,

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 2>to make this point more clear, it is very important

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>that God said to the Jews to be a goi

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>kadosh and not an am kadosh. You remember the difference

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>between goy and am am is blood based. If God

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>had said to the Jews in Leviticus, you shall be

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a holy am for holy nation, it would mean that,

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>in effect, you are to be holy, but you can

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>only be holy within the blood tiese of Jews. The

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>very fact that goi is used means you are to

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>be a holy nation, but anyone of any blood may

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 2>join your nation. Indeed, Jews, the Jewish nation was unique

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 2>in precisely that fact. It took converts. You couldn't convert

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>to being Greek. You couldn't convert to being Egyptian. Can

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>you imagine? I mean, the thought is ludicrous a black

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>showing up in Alexandria saying I'd like to be Egyptian.

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about? You're not Egyptian.

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's no more than you know, I'd like to be

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<v Speaker 2>a woman if you're a man or a vice.

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Ever, today that's doable. But and then it wasn't.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Only the Jewish nation in antiquity, and only even to

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>very recently allowed people to become members of it who

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 2>were not blood members and who were full members.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 3>This, incidentally, is the parallel between the Jewish people and the.

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>American people, because America too couldn't care less about your

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 2>blood the day you become American. If your name is

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Vachinski or Gonzali's or O'Connor or Schwartz, it doesn't matter.

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>You're American, and the father of your nation is George Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>That is why. So to a convert.

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<v Speaker 2>To the Jewish people is called to the Torah as

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<v Speaker 2>ben or bot the son or daughter of Avraham, of Abraham,

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I was born a Jew.

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 3>But one who is not born a Jew and.

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Who converts has Abraham as his father as much as

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I do. There is no difference whatsoever, And the proof

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>is Abraham converted. So it is literally like America is

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>a nation of immigrants, the Jews are a nation of converts. Now,

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 2>of course, Christianity is a religion of converts. Islam is

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a religion of converts. But there is a difference. Judaism

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 2>is also a nation. That's the difference. It's the only

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>nation of converts except for America, at least till the

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>modern time. In Canada, to a large extent, it's different,

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's a fascinating issue, which is to me, the

0:33:58.320 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>greatest issue in the world today.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Frager's timeless wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>How much emphasis do people place on blood?

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 2>It all became clear to me only, I mean, it

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>was always part of my thinking, but it all became

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 2>clear to me with this horrible issue of baby Richard.

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>How could justices take a four year old from his family?

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 2>The answer simple. They believe in blood. It's not complex.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the legal decision. It was a blood based decision.

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Blood reigns supreme Those five prevailing justices in the Illinois

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court represent most of humanity. Most of humanity believes

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>that blood is everything. Blood is the ownership of children.

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Blood is whom I love, Blood is whom I have

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>obligations to. Blood is whom I regard as fully human.

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 2>And in its worst forms, which is not uncommon, you

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 2>get Nazais and Japanese fascism, and that's what we fought.

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>In case anybody didn't know what the Allies were fighting

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 2>in World War Two, to think that if Japan and

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Germany had won the fate of humanity would be very

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 2>different because the two most powerful nations on Earth would

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.879
<v Speaker 2>have believed solely in blood, not in goodness, that there

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>were no moral values. There are only blood values. Moral

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>values only pertain to those who share my blood. So

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>back to here is the problem of Jewish assimilation. Jewish

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>assimilation is in fact a problem for host peoples.

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>It's the old issue of dual loyalty. Well what are you?

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Are you an American or are you a Jew?

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>This is an old question, and the fact of the

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 2>matter is Jews are both. Now there is no problem

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 2>with that, unless you want to make a problem with that.

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Why it is? Why would they conflict.

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>As whenever I'm asked it, which is very rare, but

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 2>if it's ever posed, I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, are you first a Christian or an American? I

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 3>pray that you are guided by Christian values first?

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>That you do you would criticize your country if it

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 2>were immoral. I just saw a picture in the latest

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 2>issue of Time magazine of a Serbian Orthodox priest with

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Serbian leaders at a service.

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:26.240
<v Speaker 3>I would. Unfortunately, the priest, I.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Suspect did not speak about Serbian atrocities in Bosnia. I

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>suspect he merely blessed the leaders and sent them on

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 2>their way. What that, ironically, what he was doing was

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 2>being unfaithful to his religion. His religion does not hold

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>that blood is more important than God, but it is

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 2>very common to do so. Blood can overshadow everything for

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 2>all of us. Our religious values, I believe should come

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>before national blood based values. But Jewish assimilation is a

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>problem because the Jews would be plentiful, do well as

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>they were in Egypt, and yet retain their distinct identity, which,

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 2>by the way, even if they wanted to give up,

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't because the Egyptians wouldn't let them. So the

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Jews are in a double BND here. It's like, as

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.799
<v Speaker 2>we wrote in our book about fifteen years ago, when

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Jews assimilate, they're called a fifth column or you know whatever,

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and if they don't, then they're called insular tribal. It's

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like the Jews have, you know, if they assimilate, their

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 2>a threat and if they don't assimilate, their tribal and

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, parochial and provincial. So what is the Jews

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>supposed to do exactly? And it has been a dilemma

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>throughout Jewish history. That is why Zionism was founded. Let

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the Jews normalize and live in their own country like

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 2>every other nation.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Get it. Israel is not in the nation. Israel is

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 3>a country.

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 2>It was founded so that the Jewish nation could live there,

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>like the Hungarian nation lives in Hungary, like the Latvian

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>nation lives in Latvia. Okay, let's normalize it, because clearly

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the world is not ready.

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Hertzel said the founder of Zionism.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:17.399
<v Speaker 2>In effect, the world is not ready for having an

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>other in its midst. Egypt was not ready to have

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.839
<v Speaker 2>an other in its midst. We have no inkling that

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:29.839
<v Speaker 2>the Jews were disloyal or you know, bothering them in

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 2>any way. All right, So now that's verse nine, verse ten.

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Let us deal shrewdly with them. The Hebrew is the

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew is. Let's oversmart them. Let's outsmart them actually, so

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that they may not increase.

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise, in the event.

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Of war, they may join our enemies in fighting against

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 2>us and rise from the ground. Rise from the ground is,

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 2>according to the scholars of commentary, a phrase which is

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>what it is from Hebrew, literally rise from the ground.

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't know it's an old idiom, and they are

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>not fully certain what it represents, Okay, just for your interest,

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:21.879
<v Speaker 2>but it could simply mean and they'll come up from

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 2>the earth and they'll rise against us, which is very

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 2>very possible. Anyway, he says to his people, let's outsmart.

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's outsmart this nation lest he increase in som Hirsh

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 2>makes the point that it is the leader who starts

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the malicious campaign against the Jews, not the people.

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.839
<v Speaker 3>It's ay. The interesting point.

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 2>We have no words that the Egyptians themselves were unhappy.

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:55.919
<v Speaker 2>The anti the extermination campaign and slavery campaign against the

0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Jews is led by Pharaoh. Okay, however, and this will

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>be more important. You can't achieve evil solely from the leaders.

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 2>This will be a critically important part of chapter one,

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 2>as you'll see verse eleven. Now look at this all right,

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Listen carefully. They set cast masters over them to oppress

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>them with forced labor, and they built garrison cities for Pharaoh.

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Pete domen Ram says.

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 2>But the more they were oppressed, the more they increased

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and spread out, so that the Egyptians came to dread

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the Israelites. Now it is the Egyptians themselves. I want

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 2>to show you a point, and then I'm going to

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>come back to these verses. I want to show you

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the word they three times, verses eleven, thirteen, and fourteen.

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 2>In eleven, they set task masters over them to oppress them.

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 3>In thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>They made them perform, ruthlessly, they made life better bitter.

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me for them with harsh labor and I guess yeah.

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 3>One third, that's right. Excuse me.

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 2>The Egyptians there were three four cases. Eleven they set

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:30.879
<v Speaker 2>task masters, thirteen the Egyptians ruthlessly imposed fourteen they made

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>them perform and ruthlessly they made life bitter for them

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 2>three days.

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 3>And the Egyptians. What is the point? Who starts off

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:46.240
<v Speaker 3>the campaign Pharaoh? Right? But who makes it work? The people?

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>This is of enormous significance for how evil triumphs in

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>this world. It's the preoccupation of my life, the problem

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of evil.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 3>And I'll never.

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Come to full satisfaction in figuring out an answer, but

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:08.240
<v Speaker 2>at least I have more data, or at least more theories.

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 2>And my latest theory is that by and large, there

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>are not many evil people.

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Most mass evil.

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Mass evil has been performed by normal people, not by

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 2>evil people, which is, by the way, more disconcerting than

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 2>if it were done by evil people. Eifman is more

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 2>terrifying than Hitler. The existence of monsters, a Stalin, a Hitler,

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 2>a Charles Manson is frighteningly part of.

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 3>The human condition.

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, if, however evil, This is an important point. If

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 2>evil were restricted to evil people, there would not be

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of evil in the world, because there's just

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>a small percentage of humanity that is truly evil. I

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>want to hurt people today. I love hurting people. Okay,

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that is very rare. The great majority of mass evil,

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to individual monsters, is done by ordinary people.

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I was just talking on the radio this week.

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yesterday, in fact, about the Eifman's children.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Any do happen to catch that? Just testing to see

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 3>if you listen, Thank you, thank you, good fascinating thing. Iiman.

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Eichmann is the architect of the Holocaust.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Iichman made sure the shipments of Jews to the death

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>camps took place. Eifman had a wife, had kids. He

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 2>had four kids, four boys. One of them is a

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>profound anti Nazi. His name is Ricardo and is a

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<v Speaker 2>Spanish name because he was born in Argentina.

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<v Speaker 3>Where Eichmann had fled after the war.

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>He is he feels disgraced by his father's name, etc.

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Etc. He's truly a good person.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a fascinating article describing the children, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had made the point by the way back to

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<v Speaker 2>blood again, how important is blood when you have children

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<v Speaker 2>who are so different. One of the most most grotesquely

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<v Speaker 2>evil people in history has a beautiful child. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful people in history. Andre Sakharov, the great,

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>great giant, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Soviet dissident. One of

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>his children was a member of the Communist Party and

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>supported Rezhnev, who oppressed his father.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so much for blood, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so if any of your kids turned down not

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>so great, feel you have some comfort.

0:44:55.680 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Look at Sakharov at any rate.

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<v Speaker 2>Eifman was not a monster. Eichman did monstrous things. Eifmlan

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<v Speaker 2>was an accountant. In fact, his son, who hates him,

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 2>is quoted as saying, no, it's not his son, it's

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the Israeli who captured him. Is quoted in this article

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<v Speaker 2>as saying, and I believe it fully. Eifman had no

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<v Speaker 2>hatred of Jews. He simply had a job to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that I've studied the man, I've studied what

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<v Speaker 2>he said, and it's true. Had it been Albanians, he'd

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:42.399
<v Speaker 2>have run the cars through Auschwitz for Albanians just as methodically.

0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 3>He had a job.

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<v Speaker 2>That is why Hannah Arnt in her book on Eifman,

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<v Speaker 2>subtitled it the banality of evil. That concept that evil

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<v Speaker 2>is done by banal people, mediocrites, simple normal people is

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 2>what is the revelation in her idea. That's what happens here.

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<v Speaker 2>The monster can be said to be Pharaoh. Is the

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 2>average Egyptian a monster. We have no reason to believe

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>that they simply though went along, they did it. That's

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.760
<v Speaker 2>how evil mass on a mass basis. On an individual basis,

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a monster, but on mass basis it's done. Average

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Egyptian with a Pharaoh who said I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>all take care of all Israelites who have scurvy would

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<v Speaker 2>have done that too. If the furer Hitler would have said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know bank German history. We have

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<v Speaker 2>Jews in our midst so that we could enjoy a

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>slightly different culture in our midst to make us Germans

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.879
<v Speaker 2>it love theater even more and love literature even more,

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>they would most would have gone along with that.

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Most Germans who voted for Hitler.

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<v Speaker 2>Did not do so because of anti Semitism, believe it

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<v Speaker 2>or not.

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 3>They did for economic reasons.

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>He promised this, I promised, you know, all sorts of

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 2>economic promises, with many of which he delivered on incidentally,

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.919
<v Speaker 2>and he wanted to undo the Versailles Treaty, which many

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Germans felt was an embarrassment for them and humiliating. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't campaign on an antisemitic platform. This These were things that,

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<v Speaker 2>in studying the Nazi rise to power, were really that

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>could shake you up. And yet look at how many

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 2>collaborated or did nothing with regard to this incredible thing

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 2>called the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 3>And here is why.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes out of its way the Biblical record in

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<v Speaker 2>three verses to say they they they the Egyptians. By

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the way, there's another reason, because chapters later you may wonder,

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 2>why is why are the Egyptians punished? Why does God

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 2>punish the Egyptians and not only Pharaoh. It's setting the

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 2>record for you to understand that God is just by

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 2>doing this as well, I almost never ever jump ahead,

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>but I need to show you that so you will

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 2>understand what happens later. But this repeated use of the

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>word they and the collective guilt.

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:17.399
<v Speaker 3>Collective guilt not.

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Because we just lump everybody together, but because they collectively

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 2>did bad things is what is being stated here, and

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>it is it is a scary scenario. How many Americans

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 2>would go along with such a regime?

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.359
<v Speaker 3>How many anybodies? I'm asking it of a country I love?

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 3>You know? How many you know?

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.240
<v Speaker 2>With the with the local guy who runs your neighborhood

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 2>drug store with a bad leader, what would he do?

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 3>Those of you who are not Jewish?

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the fascinating differences in the in

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the way in which a Jew thinks.

0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I suspect that most Jews ask.

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Themselves a question that I often ask, and that is,

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 2>how would this person act under a Holocaust type condition?

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Right? How many Jews have thought about that in their lives? Okay,

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 3>it's not remarkable.

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, we never talked about this, and

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 2>yet it's part of what you think about, you know,

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:22.399
<v Speaker 2>because in our guts we know that normal people took

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 2>part in this.

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 3>But there is an even.

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 2>More remarkable parallel to the Holocaust coming up with regard

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<v Speaker 2>to evil in a moment.

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Verse.

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<v Speaker 2>So hold on, we are The last was eleven. Now

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<v Speaker 2>another thing in eleven. They set task masters over them

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 2>to oppress them. The word in Hebrew for oppression is

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>actually the same as to torture them. Note it means

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 2>literally to make you suffer.

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, oppress is not as strong as the Hebrews.

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's a fast insight again that the Torah is

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<v Speaker 2>making with one word.

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 3>You would think that the tour would have said tests.

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<v Speaker 2>Task masters were set over the Israelites in order to

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:15.839
<v Speaker 2>make them work, right, that's what a task master is for. No,

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:20.719
<v Speaker 2>there was a sadistic element. Task masters were set over

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 2>them in order to make them suffer. That part of

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 2>what was done, which it's eerie, the parallels to the Holocaust.

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 2>It was not enough of the Germans to murder the Jews.

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 2>They had to make them suffer. The great majority of

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 2>the six million Jews died naked. It's a point I've

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 2>never seen anybody make, and yet it's there on the record.

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<v Speaker 2>Naked in the gas chambers and naked when machine gun

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 2>did pits, which is the way the vast majority of

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Jews were murdered. It wasn't enough. You had to be humiliated,

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 2>you had to suffer. It was important that in the

0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.319
<v Speaker 2>trains they'd be squeezed together in no water.

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<v Speaker 3>Given that is what is stated.

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<v Speaker 2>Either evil has very often a sadistic element to it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the taskmasters were there to do, to make

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 2>them suffer in their work. And they built these cities

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<v Speaker 2>for Pharaoh Pitom and Ramses. Ramses is of course the

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<v Speaker 2>name of a pharaoh, well known to many of you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But the more they were oppressed, the more they increased

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and spread out, so that the Egyptians.

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:42.279
<v Speaker 3>Came to fear the Israelites, the Children of Israel.

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Thirteen again a point of almost a cruelty, not almost

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:56.319
<v Speaker 2>of cruelty. The Egyptians ruthlessly imposed upon the Israelites the

0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 2>various labors that they made them perform. Ruthlessly, they made

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>life bitter for them with harsh labor at mortar and

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.399
<v Speaker 2>bricks and with all sorts of.

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Tasks in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Now comes what is to me one of my I

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<v Speaker 2>GET top ten favorite stories in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of timeless wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Frager's timeless wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>I think often in musical terms, because I love music very,

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 2>very deeply. In romantic music, there is there is almost

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 2>a recipe tension, tension, tension release. Beethoven is the master

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of that. Is that is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Ended it?

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:53.399
<v Speaker 2>You now have very depressing It's all been depressing now right,

0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and now all of a sudden there is Wait a

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 2>minute before you, the reader gets too down on humanity,

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:07.040
<v Speaker 2>before you generalize that all Egyptians are slim, that the

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>world is composed only of miserable human beings. We'd like

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to tell you a story verse fifteen. The King of Egypt.

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Very important that it says that. It's to make it

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:27.879
<v Speaker 2>clear the greatness of what is going to be described.

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Now that what happens is a reaction.

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:36.840
<v Speaker 2>To the King of Egypt, who can't get higher of

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 2>that on earth.

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 3>The King of Egypt spoke to now.

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Here is the translation is absolutely critical because the story

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 2>loses men's power by the usual translation. How many of

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>you do not have Hebrew midwife, but have something or

0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:02.640
<v Speaker 2>have something else?

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Does everybody have Hebrew midwives? Yes? M what do you have?

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 3>What words do you see? Verse fifteen?

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<v Speaker 2>There Hebrew midwhile you're using Hertz.

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Anybody using a.

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Different you're using JPS JPS.

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:26.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Even Sarna, who uses JPS, which says Hebrew midwives, acknowledges

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>what I think is the only possible reading, except that

0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew allows you grammatically to understand.

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 3>It either way.

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 2>In Hebrew, the words mi al do tebriote can be

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:52.960
<v Speaker 2>either the Hebrew midwives. That is possible grammatically correct, equally

0:54:53.080 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 2>grammatically correct the midwives of the Hebrews. That's very, very different, okay,

0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think it is profoundly clear. I think it's

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>unassailable that these are Egyptian, or at least.

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Not not Hebrews.

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 2>They may be of another Semitic group because of their names,

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:25.439
<v Speaker 2>but they are not Hebrews. And I will explain why

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 2>in a minute, so that real translation should be. In

0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:34.520
<v Speaker 2>verse fifteen, the King of Egypt spoke to the midwives

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of the Hebrews, one of whose name was Shifra, and

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the others the other Puah, saying, when you deliver the

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew women, look at the birth stool. If it is

0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 2>a boy, kill him. If it is a girl, let

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:58.120
<v Speaker 2>her live. The midwives, fearing God, did not do as

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.919
<v Speaker 2>the King of Egypt had told them.

0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:03.439
<v Speaker 3>They let the boys live.

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 2>It's obvious to me that they're not Hebrew the midwives.

0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>First of all, do you think he is going to

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 2>call the Hebrews to destroy their own children? It's much

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:22.399
<v Speaker 2>less likely. It's possible, but it's much less likely. And

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the proof is the way in which it's described what

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 2>they did, which is the quintessential universal, not specifically Jewish

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 2>formula for a righteous non jew The person feared God,

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.399
<v Speaker 2>those of you took Genesis with me, and even those

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.279
<v Speaker 2>of you who did not take Genesis with me, since

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that only those who took Genesis with me.

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.800
<v Speaker 3>No Genesis will recall.

0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 2>That when Abraham is afraid about how his wife Sarah

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 2>will be treated, the language he uses is there is

0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:02.879
<v Speaker 2>no fear of God in this place. Fear of God

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:10.319
<v Speaker 2>is the Torah, or biblical formula for moral decency, which

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I will explain. I won't do it in full detail

0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 2>because I did it already in Genesis. Why did they

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 2>not listen to the King of Egypt because they feared God?

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Now there's another proof to it. There are two primary

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 2>words for God in the Torah, Jehovah and Elohim.

0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>The first is God's proper name, so to speak, and

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 2>is specific to the Jews.

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.439
<v Speaker 3>It's a personal name, as it were.

0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Elohim is the god of the universe, as it were,

0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 2>everybody's god, Okay, And.

0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 3>That's the term for fear of God. The term is.

0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Fear, fear of losing one's microphone. It is fear of Elohima.

0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:13.040
<v Speaker 2>That is what the girls, the women. I say them

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of girls, because I think of midwives, is very young.

0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:18.520
<v Speaker 2>But there's no reason to think that these That's what

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 2>these women had. They feared God. And that is the

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>moral attribution of non Jews. Judaism holds that if you

0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 2>fear God, that you Let's put it this way, if

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't fear.

0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.200
<v Speaker 3>God, they will be moral chaos.

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Dostayevsky put it in Brothers Karamaza, where there is no God,

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 2>all is permitted. That is his way of saying what

0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 2>exactly what the Torah is saying. Unless there is a

0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:48.000
<v Speaker 2>sense that I owe God obedience more than I owe

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 2>the King of Egypt, more than I owe the fearer

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 2>of Germany, more than I owe the President of the

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 2>United States, then they will not good will never prevail.

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>These midwife feared God. You see, that is one of

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the among the reasons. I am convinced that they're not Jews,

0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 2>because that's the terminology used for the universal goodness.

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 3>But there's another one.

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<v Speaker 2>When Moses later saves the remember he well, don't remember,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you never read it, but there is a story

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<v Speaker 2>coming up that Moses goes out and sees a Hebrew

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<v Speaker 2>slave being beaten, and he remembers that this is and

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<v Speaker 2>it says it is one of his brothers. If these

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<v Speaker 2>midwives had saved the Jews because they were Jewish, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have said, and these midwives could not do this

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<v Speaker 2>to their to their um, or to their people, or

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<v Speaker 2>to their brothers, or to their sisters. There is no

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<v Speaker 2>nothing of that. It is purely universal morality. We fear God,

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<v Speaker 2>not Pharaoh, and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>What we will do.

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<v Speaker 2>That is why only that idea can save the world

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<v Speaker 2>from evil. In my opinion, the belief that God's law

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<v Speaker 2>is higher than man's law, and that therefore I fear

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<v Speaker 2>God to do wrong, even if I get punished by humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be but ultimately it is God

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<v Speaker 3>whom I answer to.

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<v Speaker 2>That is why these midwives are powerful, powerful stories. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is many more reasons and I am hinting other

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<v Speaker 2>things to come by telling you two of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I told you earlier in my preface about my feeling

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<v Speaker 2>about the Torret being divine. One of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it is divine and not merely human is

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<v Speaker 2>if that it was only human, it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>much more pro Jewish than it is. The Hebrew Bible

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<v Speaker 2>is profoundly critical of Jews and profoundly emphasizing of moral

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<v Speaker 2>greatness among individual non Jews.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so unique among.

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<v Speaker 2>Biblical different Bibles to do that that I have to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that either the Jews were superhuman, which I don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe for a minute since I have lived with them

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<v Speaker 2>much of my life, or that there is a divine

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<v Speaker 2>element here.

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<v Speaker 3>That there are two.

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<v Speaker 2>Remarkable elements about this staggering moral heroism of these women.

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<v Speaker 3>A they're not Jewish, be their women.

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<v Speaker 2>And you are going to see repeated non Jews and

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<v Speaker 2>women as moral heroes in the stories of the Exodus.

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<v Speaker 2>It is actually a running through theme Jews as villains,

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<v Speaker 2>non Jews.

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<v Speaker 3>As heroes, and women as heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>The opposite of typical chauvinism, of male chauvinism out of

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<v Speaker 2>national chauvinism the absolute antithesis.

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<v Speaker 3>And here is the first of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those examples of the midwives to the Hebrews. More proof

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<v Speaker 2>to me that they are not, that they are not

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews themselves, is coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>We are at verse eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>So the King of Egypt summoned the midwives and said

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<v Speaker 2>to them, why have you done this thing? Letting the

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<v Speaker 2>boys live? The midwives said to Pharaoh, because the hebrew

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<v Speaker 2>women are not like the Egyptian women.

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<v Speaker 3>They are vigorous.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the midwife can come to them, they've already given birth.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, my other proof here is that they are not

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews is they talk about Hebrews in the third person.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were Hebrews, they would probably say, look, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not like you, our women. There's no sense of that.

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<v Speaker 2>You Pharaoh and we midwives are both talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews as a different group. But now comes to me

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most remarkable points of all that can

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<v Speaker 2>easily elude you in your first two hundred and.

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<v Speaker 3>Six readings of the sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Are any of you that's surprised that Pharaoh didn't kill them?

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't this slightly crack you up? And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>King of Egypt. You disobey the King of Egypt's orders.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what happens. He calls you in and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>how come that is the last thing in the world

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<v Speaker 3>you expect? You expect? And Pharaoh sent three emissaries to

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<v Speaker 3>slit their throats. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but I think there is a bigger lesson. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they mean they took care of Egyptians as well. It

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<v Speaker 2>may very well be, although I suspect he could have

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<v Speaker 2>found out the midwives in Egypt they're blood. That's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Although that is very possible. And you don't kill you

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<v Speaker 2>your own blood, that is very possible, That's correct. I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect though, that there is something else here which gives

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<v Speaker 2>me again a Holocaust parallel.

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<v Speaker 3>And the blood element is related to that. Your point

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<v Speaker 3>is well taken.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most depressing facts of the Holocaust is

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<v Speaker 2>that those Germans who did not, who refuse to take

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<v Speaker 2>part in it, were not killed. I say it's depressing,

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<v Speaker 2>not that I wanted them killed. It's depressing because then

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<v Speaker 2>it makes you wonder why didn't Moore refuse? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know most people are not moral giants, but the

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<v Speaker 2>worst step could happen to you if you were a

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<v Speaker 2>soldier and you refuse to work at Auschwitz, they sent

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<v Speaker 2>you to fight the Russians, which is not exactly heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe me, I acknowledge that. But it is also

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<v Speaker 2>not torture. It is also not I will murder your family.

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<v Speaker 2>It is also not I will murder you. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>not all German soldiers died fighting the Russians. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was and that was in the case of a soldier.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, if you refuse to work in the

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<v Speaker 2>Holocaust in Germany, you worked somewhere else, maybe less pay,

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<v Speaker 2>but you didn't get killed, your family wasn't killed, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a It's an eerie parallel right here. They

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<v Speaker 2>refused Pharaoh and Pharaoh and Furer. I'm not playing on

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<v Speaker 2>words at all, but Pharaoh and the Furer have equal power.

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<v Speaker 2>The obedience in Egypt is to Pharaoh. The obedience in

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Germany was to Hitler, and they said no, and

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<v Speaker 2>all the great That's why I remember I emphasized that

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<v Speaker 2>it had the word.

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<v Speaker 3>The key of Egypt. And what does the king of

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<v Speaker 3>Egypt say to them or do to them? Why didn't

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<v Speaker 3>you do what I said?

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<v Speaker 2>You're almost like a plaintive husband honey, I asked you

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<v Speaker 2>to do something. You know, it's it's it's it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>funny to think of the Great Father, Great King of

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<v Speaker 2>Egypt's reaction when his major order is simply subverted. It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost as if he's curious and he buys the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's even more remarkable. He buys the all.

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<v Speaker 2>I see they give birth before they even show up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>have a nice day. That's an effect what goes on here,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's it's really it shakes you up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. You certainly expect something more dreadful to happen

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<v Speaker 2>to these women. Uh. This, by the way, a one

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<v Speaker 2>commentator notes, is the first act of moral civil disobedience

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<v Speaker 2>recorded in history. And this is the only way in

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<v Speaker 2>which good will ever take place. Is if you all

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<v Speaker 2>listen to God and not the orders of bad humans.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only way good will prevail. And since I

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<v Speaker 2>view the Torah as ultimately a document preoccupied with the

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<v Speaker 2>issue of good and evil, that is how important it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Moral is the central everything in the Torah and in Judaism,

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<v Speaker 2>and the great moral question, or one of the great

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<v Speaker 2>moral questions, is will you fear God or fear man.

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<v Speaker 2>In our time, the term fear of God has gone

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<v Speaker 2>out of out of use, but literally, in my parents' generation,

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<v Speaker 2>it was very common to hear of a man or

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<v Speaker 2>a woman this who was particularly decent, described as a

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<v Speaker 2>God fearing person. If you were described today as God fearing,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be regarded, probably as a right wing kook.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what people would think you were being described as. However,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were described as fearing loss of tenure at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were regarded as fearing loss of partnership in

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<v Speaker 2>a law firm, that is understandable. But fear God, you're

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<v Speaker 2>a kook. Well we've changed, and I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>God wants us to walk around quaking in fear of him.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not the desire. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>we do fear.

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<v Speaker 2>And really the question in life is not whether we

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<v Speaker 2>will have any fear, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Whom or what will we fear.

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<v Speaker 2>And ultimately, the truly free human is the one who

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<v Speaker 2>fears God and not man. And that is why the

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<v Speaker 2>term used for decency in the Torah is fear of God.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the universal term. We draw close in chapter one

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<v Speaker 2>as we continue, and this ironically.

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<v Speaker 3>To read you now, which is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Temporary happy ending in a not terribly happy book, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least one that certainly alternates happiness and unhappiness, is

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<v Speaker 2>the most troubling part of the chapter for me. And

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<v Speaker 2>you would think it's the least It should be the

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<v Speaker 2>least troubling. Twenty and God dealt well with the midwives,

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<v Speaker 2>and the people multiplied and increased in greatly, greatly, and

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty one. And because the midwives fear God, he

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<v Speaker 2>established households for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, why do I find it difficult?

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<v Speaker 2>Because we do not generally see moral people rewarded in

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<v Speaker 2>this life. In life, most of the people who resisted

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler did not have large families established for them by God.

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<v Speaker 2>They were shot and put on meathooks by Hitler's gestapo.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a part of the Torah that simply I

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<v Speaker 2>have no answer to. I don't know what to do

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<v Speaker 2>with it. You know, I don't have answers for all

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<v Speaker 2>these dilemmas. It's one of my dilemmas because it is

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<v Speaker 2>not infrequent that you have this description of God showing

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<v Speaker 2>favor to individuals for their goodness. Maybe one of you

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<v Speaker 2>has a way out of this, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>is to be learned except that God, at least in

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<v Speaker 2>this arena is described as very intimately involved and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>does this rewarding. But my friend, the reward of good

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<v Speaker 2>in this world is the good you have done. I

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<v Speaker 2>do believe in an afterlife, which is a separate issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've spoken on that in Genesis.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we can all affirm that God does

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<v Speaker 2>not appear to bless.

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<v Speaker 3>In this life all.

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<v Speaker 2>Those who do good. He certainly seems to bless some

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<v Speaker 2>who do good.

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<v Speaker 3>And the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Way out I have on this is really via the

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<v Speaker 2>great greatest Jewish philosopher, my monody, the Rambam, who who

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<v Speaker 2>spoke of the issue known in Hebrew as hashkahafrati divine

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<v Speaker 2>supervision of the individual. How much does God really get

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<v Speaker 2>involved in an individual's.

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<v Speaker 3>Life and among his answers? And I find it.

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<v Speaker 2>Satisfactory is that God doesn't get involved in every individual's life.

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<v Speaker 3>That God get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>God gets involved in the lives of individuals who get

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<v Speaker 2>involved with him a and b as, particularly if they

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<v Speaker 2>are involved in something larger that God has plans for. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>the midwives met both criteria, and that simply may be

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<v Speaker 2>the answer. Having told you of the dilemma that I have,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a good answer to me. It is just

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<v Speaker 2>it is not the answer if your question is, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why did God do it for the midwives but not

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<v Speaker 2>for and then fill in the name of somebody you

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<v Speaker 2>know who is morally wonderful and died at fifty four

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<v Speaker 2>of cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's what I mean. I mean, right this moment,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Remarkably, remarkably beautiful man who is dying of cancer, a

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<v Speaker 2>sixty two, which is not a kid, but it's certainly not.

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<v Speaker 3>Old, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and the irony being of lung cancer, and

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<v Speaker 2>he never smoked a cigarette in his life. But these

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<v Speaker 2>are not answerable. I mean, obviously I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get into that. Those are not answerable. The answer, my monodies,

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<v Speaker 2>gives the answer that a friend of mine, a former priest,

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<v Speaker 2>always used to say, God is not a democrat, a

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<v Speaker 2>small d. He was not arguing God was a republican.

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<v Speaker 2>God is not a democrat, small d. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>very important. And here is a Catholic saying, look, God

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<v Speaker 2>didn't choose every nation, he chose one. God is not

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<v Speaker 2>a democrat that he will reward these midwives is because

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<v Speaker 2>they are involved in something God has plans for humanity

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<v Speaker 2>for you with me, and so I mean that is

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<v Speaker 2>not the official answer. It is an answer and one

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<v Speaker 2>that I can live with. Let me read the last

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<v Speaker 2>one and I'll try on leave five minutes for your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>And as my general policy is that I begin each

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<v Speaker 2>session with questions, so.

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<v Speaker 3>That I really do ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think about anything during the week said or

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<v Speaker 2>not set about chapter one, please please.

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<v Speaker 3>Raise it at the beginning of next week.

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<v Speaker 2>And verse twenty two ends on a very low note

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<v Speaker 2>after this lovely, lovely high and that is then Pharaoh

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<v Speaker 2>charged all his people, and that is very important. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>all his people all see do you see how much

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<v Speaker 2>the people are blamed in this chapter? They they they,

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<v Speaker 2>the Egyptians, all the people you with me. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>important because evil can't be done by a pharaoh or

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<v Speaker 2>a hitler. They can do as much evil alone as

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Manson did. The number of people they can get

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<v Speaker 2>their hands on.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is by the obedience of masses of people that evil,

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<v Speaker 2>massive evil is accomplished. And so since the midwives aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it, He's going to go straight to

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<v Speaker 2>the people, and Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, every

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<v Speaker 2>boy that is born, you shall throw into the nile,

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<v Speaker 2>but let every girl live. Now, by the way, there's

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<v Speaker 2>an obvious question here that frankly, with all my reading,

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<v Speaker 2>I never found a particularly good answer to why the boy.

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<v Speaker 2>There is interestingly an answer that is given midrashically, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Hebrew legend type writing that Pharaoh was told by

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<v Speaker 2>his sorcerers and magicians and astrologers that a savior of

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<v Speaker 2>the Jews would be born, and he was male. I

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<v Speaker 2>was about to be born, so you must you must

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<v Speaker 2>throw the boys in, and that's the way, And interestingly

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<v Speaker 2>the tradition dealt with the issue. I guess the other

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<v Speaker 2>is that the women can cause nearly as much trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>They could perhaps be assimilated.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh uh and uh, and that would end the people. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't fight.

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<v Speaker 2>If his worry was that they'll fight against us, then

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<v Speaker 2>you certainly get rid of the males, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>reproduce with only one sex anyway, I guess that those

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<v Speaker 2>would be uh. Some of the answers any questions that

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<v Speaker 2>done anything that uh was very did sir?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Bat with the uh with the rewards or the big

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<v Speaker 5>of the midlife first day in one of the translation

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<v Speaker 5>that exactly burring the midlife powers and and those are

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<v Speaker 5>rather the usual.

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<v Speaker 3>Life the days the way that doesveloping feel well. And

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<v Speaker 3>he made their clients at the children which benefited. Then

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<v Speaker 3>interact with hold on. Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying verse twenty one, uh is God built

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<v Speaker 2>houses for the Jews, not for the midwives. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>will tell you he has a grammatical basis for saying that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>He built houses for the children that the midwives saved. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So the reward for the midwives was that those they

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<v Speaker 2>saved prospered. That's what you're saying, they have prospered having

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<v Speaker 2>more work, spoken like a good late twentieth century American capitalist.

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<v Speaker 2>The uh no, that is, I'll tell you why grammatically

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<v Speaker 2>you have you have a basis because it says and

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<v Speaker 2>God made for them houses or households. That them is

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<v Speaker 2>in the masculine. It should have been la hen and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like him. I've never seen anybody touch that. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet you may very well be right, although it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's fascinating. Well, you know what, if you're right, it

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<v Speaker 2>really certainly solves my dilemma and I hope you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why. It solves my dilemma. Remember what

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<v Speaker 2>I said in passing what the reward of good is

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<v Speaker 2>the good that you do? And that's exactly then what

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<v Speaker 2>would have been their reward?

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<v Speaker 3>And God did good for the midwives.

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<v Speaker 2>He built households from those Israelites, from those that they saved.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what hurt says? There? So what does he say?

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<v Speaker 2>So Hurts does say is the Israelites houses, But he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't go further and talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how is that the reward for the women? He doesn't?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very good, I think it is. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I love learning with a small group of

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred people. It's the it's the only way to study. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred heads are better than one at give.

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<v Speaker 1>Me a deterpretation.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen to the word of God rather than the favor

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<v Speaker 5>and made your accents of a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>The type of pain in our shelf.

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<v Speaker 3>Type for the house of Delos, lots of metaphor.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a metaphor that the house they dwelt in

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<v Speaker 2>was a happy one because they didn't have a guilty conscience.

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<v Speaker 2>That's metaphoric. I I guess I didn't explain to you

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<v Speaker 2>in my preface. My first desire was to always read

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the text says, and then we can go

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<v Speaker 2>that's a homily.

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<v Speaker 3>You would have made an excellent clergyman. That is you

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<v Speaker 3>know that, my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>The real meaning here is you will live a happy

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<v Speaker 2>house if you don't have a guilty conscience.

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<v Speaker 3>So you should think about it. It's never too late.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you an accountant? I mean, why are you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, wife would have lasts being a lead wife. Is

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<v Speaker 2>wi that.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it would still be like him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she is saying that if they were, if even

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<v Speaker 2>if there was one male midwife, then it would use

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<v Speaker 2>the masculine for them. The problem is they didn't allow

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<v Speaker 2>male midwives.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time it was considered profoundly indecent to have

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<v Speaker 2>a woman exposed in that way before a man.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why that wouldn't be possible. Yes, and never

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<v Speaker 3>if you medged with you went that.

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<v Speaker 6>So there were they would set over the cast masters to.

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<v Speaker 2>Aid they build there. Yeah that they there is the Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not Egyptian, Okay. I when I said they loud,

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<v Speaker 2>then I made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I misled you by reading the loud that they there

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<v Speaker 2>with emphasis that they there is Israelites. In verse the

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<v Speaker 2>second day in verse what was that eleven? Yes anybody else? Yes, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes refers to buy.

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<v Speaker 2>Any And then what is.

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<v Speaker 3>Is i'm ever referred to for the Jews? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to look it up in a concordance, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will look it up for next week.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in modern Hebrew. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called I'm Israel, not go Israel, but it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is. It's an interesting question. I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to find that. I'll look it up because it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to do. I'll just check a.

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<v Speaker 3>Concordance every time i'm is used.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, take one of my trusty found pens and

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<v Speaker 2>they write that down. Okay, let me take two more

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<v Speaker 2>because I like to start on time and end of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But we didn't start on time. That's why we're ending

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<v Speaker 2>a little late. But but otherwise this will be very punctual.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, I think it doesn't make sense. Is that

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<v Speaker 3>when you heard about it selling the house? Do yes?

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<v Speaker 1>The killing all the uh male children and the boy, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The.

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<v Speaker 1>House and when they kill all the male children, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't there you were here as logical, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>building houses in the lane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I I well, he is saying, and I'm repeating

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<v Speaker 2>it for the for those who didn't hear, hear, and

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<v Speaker 2>for the for the you and video land Uh the.

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<v Speaker 3>You think it.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes much more sense that he built these houses

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<v Speaker 2>for the midwives, because in the very next sentence you

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<v Speaker 2>have the destruction of the houses by the order of fact.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>It may clearly every male was not killed by as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of this order, and therefore it may very

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<v Speaker 2>well have been that those days saved hathouses built.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is though it is possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, both are possible, and I think there may very

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<v Speaker 2>well be a deliberate ambiguity here.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll have a lot of that in the Toro. And

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<v Speaker 3>I really get into deliberate ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of my favorite things in life, after non

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<v Speaker 2>fat milkshake, yogurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right after that is deliberate ambiguity. All right, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>take you privately. You're the last one.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, and they not say some web side and they

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<v Speaker 7>make on the website.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the question was if it is if it let

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<v Speaker 2>me get your question correct. If it is perable to

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<v Speaker 2>have a nation not built on blood, then, but built

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<v Speaker 2>on shared values, shared beliefs, commitments. Why is Judaism opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to intermarriage. It's supposed to intermarriage for a really, I think, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>for a very pragmatic reason. And it's not a blood reason.

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<v Speaker 2>If it were blood, you couldn't convert. So it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a different reason. And the reason is Judaism

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<v Speaker 2>is family based, and it is extremely difficult. Look, the

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<v Speaker 2>proof that it's not, the proof that it is not

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<v Speaker 2>blood is that if a Jewish woman marries a non

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish man, the children are Jewish anyway, and yet Judaism

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<v Speaker 2>still historically opposes that marriage. So it can't be blood

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<v Speaker 2>because it has no effect on the children being Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason for the opposition is the way Judaism has lived,

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<v Speaker 2>much more so than the other religion most of you

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<v Speaker 2>know best, Christianity, which is much more individual oriented.

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<v Speaker 3>Is my relationship with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the central focus of much of christian life,

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<v Speaker 2>especially Protestant. Judaism is overwhelmingly communal and family. Try to

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<v Speaker 2>observe the Sabbath alone and you will know essentially loneliness,

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<v Speaker 2>honest to goodness, loneliness. Observe Shabbat with friends and family,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will know a taste of heaven. The very

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<v Speaker 2>same ritual practiced alone is painful, practiced with group is

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<v Speaker 2>immeasurably joyful.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Judaism doesn't work the other way. That's the reason.

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<v Speaker 3>But not blood. As I said, the child is still Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>In the case of a woman, intermarry, thank you, bring

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<v Speaker 2>a friend, See you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>On Tomorrow's Sunday fireside.

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<v Speaker 8>Chat, time for your question now, Megan tells me that

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<v Speaker 8>I should I usually see the question in advance. I

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<v Speaker 8>acknowledge that, but she wants me to see this one

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<v Speaker 8>without having seen it. So this is the first time

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<v Speaker 8>in two hundred and nine episodes of the fireside Chat

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<v Speaker 8>that I have not seen. She wants me to react spontaneously,

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<v Speaker 8>so I will either love or hate Megan after watching

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<v Speaker 8>this video.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go, Hei.

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<v Speaker 7>Dennis Hiatto, I just wanted to tell a little story.

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<v Speaker 8>A while back.

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching the.

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<v Speaker 7>Fireside Chats, and I was watching the episode where you,

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<v Speaker 7>Dennis give the recommendation or say that there's not really

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<v Speaker 7>any downside to using online dating apps.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just moved to a new town and.

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<v Speaker 7>So I decided to give it a try, and I

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<v Speaker 7>downloaded this online dating app specifically for Mormons, and I

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<v Speaker 7>started swiping and met a ton of people, and after

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<v Speaker 7>a little bit, I ended up meeting this person and

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<v Speaker 7>we really hit it off. We became super good friends.

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<v Speaker 7>We started dating, and we really bonded over shared values

1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:18.200
<v Speaker 7>and over religion and things like that, and we fell

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<v Speaker 7>in love, and recently, a couple days ago, I got engaged.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just want to say thank you, thank.

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<v Speaker 7>You for your wisdom, and thank you for in essence

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<v Speaker 7>changing my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 8>I was expecting how to say the opposite. I was

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<v Speaker 8>respecting you said this note downside and that I was expecting.

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<v Speaker 8>I met the guy and.

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<v Speaker 6>He turned out to be a criminal. This really shocked me.

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<v Speaker 6>I expected a real challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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