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Speaker 1: So, Megan, you know what we're going to talk about here. It's,
Speaker 1: of course the affordability crisis. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you know, thank you for joining us and making
Speaker 1: the time you are in demand. You went from one
Speaker 1: thing to the next and next you had a delay
Speaker 1: getting here. So I just want to give Megan Kelly
Speaker 1: serious kudos that she still showed up for all of
Speaker 1: you and for this podcast. God bless you for that.
Speaker 3: I would not, of course love you guys, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Love you, Megan. So I do want to give you
Speaker 1: a chance to just kind of people didn't understand the
Speaker 1: role you were playing behind the scenes, and I understood it,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't I wasn't at liberty to explain what
Speaker 1: you were doing behind the scenes. But I actually think
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you because there was very
Speaker 1: few people that could have filled that role that you
Speaker 1: were attempting to play, and you were holding your fire
Speaker 1: even though your audience was like demanding you weigh in
Speaker 1: on certain things and you didn't. You were disciplined and professional.
Speaker 1: So I know exactly what you did and why you
Speaker 1: did it, and I want to vouch for you as
Speaker 1: a third party that understood why you were, you know,
Speaker 1: remaining out of the fray, and you took a lot
Speaker 1: of heat from that, what was that? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: so thank you for that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's annoying to me to be attacked by people
Speaker 3: who don't know what they're talking about. Right, So it's
Speaker 3: one thing if you have your doubt's like why isn't
Speaker 3: she saying this about that or this about the other thing?
Speaker 3: And then maybe you reach out to me and say,
Speaker 3: is there another reason? Like is there something I don't know?
Speaker 3: But to see people who I consider like long term
Speaker 3: friends go out and publicly call me a coward when
Speaker 3: you and I both know how much we've talked behind
Speaker 3: the scenes about how to handle this problem. What are
Speaker 3: the options? What do we all think is the best option?
Speaker 3: You too, Blake. We could do this, we could do this,
Speaker 3: we could do that, Let's try this. Maybe we'll do
Speaker 3: a baby step this way. You know, we've all been
Speaker 3: talking for months and then it graduated to you know,
Speaker 3: it was ramping up. And then Erica called me and uh,
Speaker 3: it was her. It was her idea to meet with Candace,
Speaker 3: and she said I want to do it. And I
Speaker 3: originally said, are you sure you want to do that? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, Candace said, one word from you will silence this,
Speaker 3: and maybe you just have to give her a word.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you just send her a note or a.
Speaker 1: Letter, try try peace.
Speaker 3: Like maybe maybe Candace wants an off ramp potentially, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know kandas that well, I know
Speaker 3: her a little. I've gotten to know her a little
Speaker 3: better over the past few months. So but Erica really
Speaker 3: didn't want to do that. She thought it was important
Speaker 3: that it be like an in person meeting and that
Speaker 3: she allow herself to be subjected to whatever questions Candace had.
Speaker 3: And she said, will you please be a part of
Speaker 3: that with me, like will you go with me? And
Speaker 3: of course I said, yes, I'll go. And at that
Speaker 3: I felt it was I was very lucky that I
Speaker 3: hadn't been leading attacks against Candace, because I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: I disagreed with her on all the things she said
Speaker 3: about you guys have turning. But when I said that
Speaker 3: on my show many times, I mean, it made very
Speaker 3: clear to everybody I don't agree with these theories and
Speaker 3: this is what I think happened, and all the evidence
Speaker 3: suggests it is this man and whatever. But I was
Speaker 3: very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace
Speaker 3: Owens because I was in a position where I would
Speaker 3: have been acceptable to her, And sure enough she and
Speaker 3: I had a text exchange shortly after mine with Erica
Speaker 3: where she was like, I'm glad it's you. Yes, I'll
Speaker 3: do it, and I just just excuse me, just saw
Speaker 3: Erica backstage and she said, you can say whatever. You
Speaker 3: can tell everybody what's happened. But the original plan was
Speaker 3: that we were going to have a live stream on
Speaker 3: the day. You guys were going to do the live
Speaker 3: stream in Arizona was the first plan. Erica, Candace and
Speaker 3: yours truly as more of a facilitator, those two were
Speaker 3: going to do it, and I was going to there
Speaker 3: just to keep everybody within the lines. And then Candace
Speaker 3: said she was facing a security threat out here in
Speaker 3: Arizona and that she couldn't she wasn't going to come.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: Erica said, I'll come to you, which I was surprised
Speaker 3: Erica said that, you know, because if Erica didn't really
Speaker 3: want to do this, she easily could have been like okay,
Speaker 3: I offered, but she was like, no, well I'll come
Speaker 3: to Nashville try it again. So I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: Like Eric's strong, She's like she's going through a lot
Speaker 3: right now, and she's got her kids and she had
Speaker 3: just come off of like Charlie's book tour, was in
Speaker 3: the middle of it, so it was like a lot
Speaker 3: and I will say, to her credit, Candace actually wound
Speaker 3: up saying okay to that though they the live stream
Speaker 3: idea died, and they wound up deciding that they would
Speaker 3: just meet the two of them since they weren't going
Speaker 3: to put this out on the airwaves. Republic consumption consumption,
Speaker 3: which was fine with me, and I thought that was
Speaker 3: a good idea. And look, I mean, it's up to
Speaker 3: them to talk about, you know, what did and did
Speaker 3: not happen there. But my the initial impression, I think
Speaker 3: it's fair to say from both women was that it
Speaker 3: went it went well, and that it ended in a
Speaker 3: much better place than where it started. Now will that
Speaker 3: hold what's more fragile, the Gaza peace fire or this situation.
Speaker 3: I know Eric is not going to do anything. The
Speaker 3: question is where's Candice is going to take And I've
Speaker 3: seen what she's doing this week. I really don't know.
Speaker 3: My only goal all along has been to try not
Speaker 3: to take sides. Not the turning point thing, but in
Speaker 3: the Israel battle. That's happening in the conservative movement such
Speaker 3: that I can make room for people who are upset
Speaker 3: with Israel and not fans of Israel's behavior, and still,
Speaker 3: you know, have room for the people who are ardently
Speaker 3: pro Israel, as I have been, as Charlie was for
Speaker 3: all those years. And then that morph like it started
Speaker 3: off like an insistence that I condemned the people who
Speaker 3: were anti Israel into an insistence that I condemn every
Speaker 3: single iteration of what they were saying forevermore. And then
Speaker 3: it felt to blmy for me, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm out.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of what Russell Brand said from stage,
Speaker 1: where he was just like, I'm so against it, like authority,
Speaker 1: I have to rage against it, and it was there
Speaker 1: is a thing you have. Tucker's kind of like that too.
Speaker 1: When you tell Tucker he can't talk about something, He's
Speaker 1: going to talk about it, like do if you want
Speaker 1: him to talk about it, just do the reverse psychology
Speaker 1: with Tucker. You cannot talk about UFOs and then the
Speaker 1: guy's going to just go all in on UFOs for
Speaker 1: like a year ago, and that was Charlie too.
Speaker 4: Where people would say, don't have Tucker at the event
Speaker 4: and I remember him saying I might have to invite
Speaker 4: him twice.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he just got two speeches. Yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: to do two speeches.
Speaker 4: And it was just that was what he said. He
Speaker 4: hated moral blackmail. Yes, if you want to make the
Speaker 4: argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that. With that
Speaker 4: argument of you should feel strong armed into not associating
Speaker 4: with him, he just despised that we Well.
Speaker 3: It's like it's not enough that you're not a critic,
Speaker 3: Like you're not okay, So somebody like a Ben Shapiro
Speaker 3: doesn't like the critics of Israel or whatever his latest
Speaker 3: point is. Now he's trying to say it's all about Erica,
Speaker 3: but it's about Israel. So he doesn't like the people
Speaker 3: who are critics of Israel. But then he also wants
Speaker 3: to can them and excommunicate people who aren't critics of
Speaker 3: the critics. They also need to go. So who will
Speaker 3: be standing when Ben is done with us? Truly? Like
Speaker 3: who It'll be Ben and Barry Weiss, It'll be great.
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Speaker 1: Forward slash Charlie, I did notice a tweet that you
Speaker 1: put out about an hour and a half ago. Whenever
Speaker 1: people watch this, so I don't know when that will
Speaker 1: be But were you talking about something that I said
Speaker 1: this backstage. I was like, that is exactly what Charlie
Speaker 1: would have said. And you said something about, you know,
Speaker 1: friends should pick up the phone and call you if
Speaker 1: they have a problem instead of sneak attack. And I
Speaker 1: didn't know exactly who you were directing that at, but
Speaker 1: it was Ben or Barry or both way to read.
Speaker 4: It both okay, yeah, we got only cowards take to
Speaker 4: the national stage or x to attack their friends without
Speaker 4: so much as a phone call to discuss it. And
Speaker 4: also didn't tag me because she is afraid laughing emoji,
Speaker 4: laughing emoji, laughing emoji.
Speaker 3: I was retweeting a tweet by Barry Weiss which reads,
Speaker 3: oh I can get that too, Yeah, it's attached.
Speaker 4: It was Barry said, only cowards tolerate conspiracy theorists. Ben
Speaker 4: Shapiro delivered a barn burner tonight at TPUSA. Read the
Speaker 4: whole thing in the Free Press, and I think it's
Speaker 4: just a link to his address.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just tell you something. Barry Weiss
Speaker 3: over the past five years has been like a good
Speaker 3: friend of mine. I have advised her in her many
Speaker 3: legal battles she's had I have advised her on her
Speaker 3: failed nonprofit that she tried. I have constantly been there
Speaker 3: to help her through any sort of tumultuous thing that
Speaker 3: came her way. We've had drinks together. Like I know
Speaker 3: Barry Weiss, Ben Shapiro has been coming on my show
Speaker 3: since twenty eleven. Nobody knew who he was. I literally
Speaker 3: helped make Ben Shapiro's name for him. So I have
Speaker 3: a lot of very positive experiences in the well with
Speaker 3: both of these folks, and they know that I've been
Speaker 3: very pro Israel. So what in the actual.
Speaker 1: Eleven year olds? Eleven year olds got job? I know
Speaker 1: Charlie doesn't Charlie always say that, he would say he's
Speaker 1: I always remember there's eleven year olds listening, and I
Speaker 1: love that. It's such a guiding life from me.
Speaker 3: But yes, so yeah, So I very much felt like
Speaker 3: this is so out of line, This is so uncalled for.
Speaker 3: Who wouldn't call me? These guys are they actually know me?
Speaker 3: I'm in both of their cell phones, they have my number.
Speaker 3: Who wouldn't just call me up and say, is there
Speaker 3: something else going on here that I need to know? Right? Like?
Speaker 3: What's going on? Nope, it's it's more fun to go
Speaker 3: out on the stage and call a dear friend and
Speaker 3: Ben couch it with, oh, she's a friend with friends
Speaker 3: like that and call them a coward. Okay, take it
Speaker 3: up with Erica.
Speaker 1: You know I did this earlier. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do it again. I asked the audience, you know, did
Speaker 1: you appreciate the Ben Shapiro approach? And about half the
Speaker 1: hands went up, and I said, do you appreciate the
Speaker 1: Tucker approach? Half the hands went up, sometimes the same hand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like this, yeah, one of these. It is very
Speaker 1: interesting when you look at the divisions on the right,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I started this conversation by
Speaker 1: praising that you were trying to be a peacemaker, that
Speaker 1: you were trying to hold your fire, and you were
Speaker 1: actually trying to do the right thing. Where you were
Speaker 1: strategically doing something which people interpreted as cowardice, you were
Speaker 1: actually playing a long game to help bring peace to
Speaker 1: a situation that was pretty volatile. And that's why I
Speaker 1: want people to know that why you did what you did,
Speaker 1: Why I did not personally take offense, why I was
Speaker 1: you know, all that thing, all those things, but the
Speaker 1: divisions are are real and they do tend to come
Speaker 1: down along this. A lot of this is the Israel.
Speaker 1: It's the neo con it's the Israel issue. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I got a press inquiry going about that.
Speaker 1: We just celebrated a one of the hostages on stage
Speaker 1: and they were at the music festival five hundred and
Speaker 1: five days in captivity, and they're like, well with all
Speaker 1: the Israel stuff, you know, And I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: are you conflating a foreign policy debate with whether or
Speaker 1: not it's okay for somebody to be held hostage for
Speaker 1: five hundred and five days? Why have we lost our
Speaker 1: ever loving minds about.
Speaker 3: Some leftist statement? The leftist refused to celebrate when Trump
Speaker 3: got the hostages out. It was like those emotional videos
Speaker 3: of the hostage is being released, Like if you can't
Speaker 3: celebrate that, you've lost your grip on humanity. But there's
Speaker 3: no question Israel is dividing the conservative movement right now.
Speaker 3: And may I just say, for the record, I strongly object.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I say it's.
Speaker 3: Deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a
Speaker 3: foreign country. I do think there is a contingent within
Speaker 3: the pro Israeli group that is Israel first. They really are.
Speaker 3: They're proving it every day, and you know, this is
Speaker 3: some of what I'm going to talk about tonight. But
Speaker 3: I don't see it that way at all. I'm not
Speaker 3: the people who are my enemy are the people who
Speaker 3: shot Charlie Kirk. It's the people who want all of
Speaker 3: us dead because we're at a turning point convention. It
Speaker 3: is not someone who doesn't like Israel or bb net
Speaker 3: in Yahoo or even somebody who has some negative associations
Speaker 3: with not Jewish people writ large, but with the Jewish
Speaker 3: activists who are a bunch of bullies. I understand the
Speaker 3: criticism against them because I've been on the receiving end
Speaker 3: of it, notwithstanding the fact that I've never said one
Speaker 3: word against Israel, not one word. It's my failure to
Speaker 3: condemn as if I am mother of the Internet. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So I really think these the pro Israel advocates, like
Speaker 3: the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who
Speaker 3: are tearing the movement apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting because there was a lot made
Speaker 1: after Charlie was assassinated about the meeting in the Hamptons,
Speaker 1: like it became this like, oh it all went down
Speaker 1: to the Hamptons and that's why Charlie's dead. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I talked to Charlie and he's like, I
Speaker 1: was kind of boring whatever, And I talked to all
Speaker 1: the team. Nothing like exceptional. Really that exceptional happened, at
Speaker 1: least in Charlie's mind. And I asked him. I was like,
Speaker 1: what was the whole point of the Hampton saying? He
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it is an intervention. I was like,
Speaker 1: for them on you or you on them. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for me on them. I needed to tell like my
Speaker 1: Jewish friends, like they're they're causing more damage than they
Speaker 1: are good and they're driving people away. And I and
Speaker 1: you know, And then another thing that went viral was
Speaker 1: you and Charlie's conversation on your show right after that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where he was just like so annoyed at the moral
Speaker 1: blackmailing and it's like, we are we are your friends.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't you found it repulsive?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He did, and I and you know, and I
Speaker 1: try and have a sensitivity for it, and I sympathize
Speaker 1: with it because you know, just like you, I have
Speaker 1: been pro Israel my whole life. I've never really even
Speaker 1: questioned it. You know, I like them better than the
Speaker 1: other guys, you know, like that as an American. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know we have similar enemies. You know, I love
Speaker 1: the Holy Land. I love like that my Lord and
Speaker 1: Savior walked there, you know, and that they are good
Speaker 1: stewards of a lot of those holy sites. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you get to a point where you're like your friend,
Speaker 1: your friends have gone through this traumatic situation of over seventh,
Speaker 1: you try and have sympathy for that and understand that
Speaker 1: it's been a traumatic experience, but you know, we have
Speaker 1: to find a way through here, a third way through.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Charlie was doing. He was
Speaker 1: trying to fight for a larger conversation that more people
Speaker 1: could feel a part of it.
Speaker 3: I agree both of us were, and that's why when
Speaker 3: he came on that show. You and I've talked about
Speaker 3: this many times. But when he came on my show
Speaker 3: on August sixth, which was post the intervention, we were
Speaker 3: not planning on discussing Israel. I'm trying to get my
Speaker 3: exact timing right, because he came on once a month,
Speaker 3: so I think that was the August sixth one. We
Speaker 3: were not planning on discussing Israel at all. I just knew.
Speaker 3: I knew from seeing him at the Student Action Summit
Speaker 3: where we had a backstage exchange, that he had had it,
Speaker 3: and I was feeling the same. I was like, this
Speaker 3: isn't very annoying. I had said almost nothing about Israel. Literally,
Speaker 3: I'd gone on Piers Morgan and said, I think it's
Speaker 3: time to wrap it up for them, because their approval
Speaker 3: rating is plummeting. Like the popularity of Israel and Yahoo
Speaker 3: in America. They've already lost the liberals, they've love independence,
Speaker 3: they're starting to lose Republicans, especially the young people, which
Speaker 3: is who Charlie spent his life surrounded by. So he
Speaker 3: knew too. And for that the brigade turned and they
Speaker 3: were very, very angry that I said at the Studentational
Speaker 3: Summit that Epstein, if he was being controlled by anybody,
Speaker 3: any sort of foreign intelligence service, it was probably Masad
Speaker 3: anti semit that's an anti Semitic. Literally Benjamin Netanyah who
Speaker 3: just sent out a tweet saying that within the past
Speaker 3: twenty days is he anti Semitic. So it's like both
Speaker 3: of us were feeling this is insane, Like if they'll
Speaker 3: do this to two ardent advocates who have been on
Speaker 3: their side openly and avowedly for two years now, since
Speaker 3: ten to seven, not to mention before that, then they'll
Speaker 3: do this to anybody. And it really did cause me
Speaker 3: to start looking harder at some of the claims that
Speaker 3: they've been throwing out of anti Semitic and to your point, Andrew,
Speaker 3: I'm going to say something else, and this is their fault?
Speaker 3: Is this is their fault. I've also been somebody who's
Speaker 3: knee jerk supported Israel my whole life, and then I
Speaker 3: got to Fox and you had to It was not
Speaker 3: a question like you must support Israel, which was fine
Speaker 3: because that was my natural inclination anyway. But it's only
Speaker 3: now that I'm starting to reevaluate do I support Israel? Like?
Speaker 3: What is it about Israel that I support? Why have
Speaker 3: I been so knee jerk defensive of them? Is there
Speaker 3: another side to consider? Have I been? Have I been
Speaker 3: intolerant of people who have a different argument on this?
Speaker 3: And do I need to do some soul searching on
Speaker 3: my certainty about what white hat warriors they are? And
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it is not Hamas or the Palestinian
Speaker 3: protesters on Columbia campus who got me to start thinking
Speaker 3: that way. It is the bullies who are trying to
Speaker 3: censor speech on our side about this issue.
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Speaker 4: And it really is something about it being used as
Speaker 4: a weapon, because I remember one that was very upsetting
Speaker 4: to Charlie. It was in twenty three, remember where he
Speaker 4: just Charlie speculated, did they have reason that they should
Speaker 4: have caught the attack on to Yeah, happened.
Speaker 1: Even I'm Patrick bit David's podcast and speculated. He speculated.
Speaker 3: It was like he didn't say it was an inside job,
Speaker 3: but he was like they're so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, someone that yeah, like, how did this happen?
Speaker 4: They need to find it out or did someone you
Speaker 4: know downplay it or ignore something? And he gets denounced
Speaker 4: as an anti Semite by someone in one of those
Speaker 4: op eds. And it was I strongly suspect that that
Speaker 4: attack it was someone who already just didn't like turning point.
Speaker 4: They didn't like Charlie's position on the RNC.
Speaker 1: They didn't Three of them that did it, yes, and
Speaker 1: their names will not be mentioned because it's not worth Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it.
Speaker 4: But they just saw this as some sort of opportunity
Speaker 4: to attack Charlie, and to use an attack that's severe
Speaker 4: in such a cynical way was very right.
Speaker 3: And then without looking at all at Charlie's prior history
Speaker 3: of supporting Israel, and this is going Israel and so on.
Speaker 1: Well, and we had young Jewish leadership summits, we sent
Speaker 1: students to Israel to experience the Holy Land, mostly Christians
Speaker 1: by the way. And then what happened is this is
Speaker 1: how these lies get laundered. So these tweets go out
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, at the rn C,
Speaker 1: these New York Times journalists have to pump out like
Speaker 1: six stories a day, eight and when they're used to
Speaker 1: doing like one a week, right, so they're not doing
Speaker 1: their normal fact checking. The New York Times it was
Speaker 1: a Jewish writer out of Chicago. Forget his name, actually
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but he puts out
Speaker 1: like a headline. There's maybe four hundred and fifty words story.
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, long known to have anti Semitic whatever, is
Speaker 1: speaking at the rn C, one of Israel's biggest supporters,
Speaker 1: is labeled in the New York Times as an anti
Speaker 1: semi Then what happens. Charlie gets up to the stage
Speaker 1: at the RNC starts giving his address. It's a huge
Speaker 1: moment for Charlie and CNN Jake Tapper. They cut away
Speaker 1: from Charlie's speech and Jake Tapper goes well, puts out
Speaker 1: the New York Times article and goes, Charlie's long had
Speaker 1: a reputation and a history of vile anti Semitism, and
Speaker 1: it's like all fake, It's all fake. And I'm on
Speaker 1: the phone going, like, you know, I'm my job is
Speaker 1: to like yell at the reporter and like, you know,
Speaker 1: Dennis Praeger and actually Mark Levin, God bless them both.
Speaker 1: They I forced the New York Times to basically take
Speaker 1: their quotes and say this is BS and garbage. But
Speaker 1: the damage was done from three bad faith tweets to
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty four R and C speech and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's labeled as this, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what does a guy gotta do to not be just like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, labeled with the scarlet letter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's the anatomy of a smear. Yes, but
Speaker 3: I like, look, I this sounds so trite, but truly.
Speaker 3: Almost all of my closest friends are Jewish. Just so.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been living on the Upper West Side
Speaker 3: of Manhattan for the past ten years, and I really
Speaker 3: believe that there is a serious objection, even amongst a
Speaker 3: lot of Jewish Americans to the bullies. Because you could
Speaker 3: write an article like this, that's the end, That's what
Speaker 3: you just told us is the anatomy of a smear.
Speaker 3: But you could you could write a similar article, the
Speaker 3: making of an anti Semite, that would start with these
Speaker 3: bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm. This is
Speaker 3: no way to get people over to your side. It
Speaker 3: is it is BLM, and they really need to listen
Speaker 3: to me, because I have an unblemished record on support
Speaker 3: for israel I. Do not to mention American Jews, of
Speaker 3: whom I was extremely defensive. I wanted all those guys
Speaker 3: deported at Brown and Columbia, all these people who are
Speaker 3: visa holders out there protesting globalize the Intifadic, get out,
Speaker 3: get out. We don't want anti semix here. But they
Speaker 3: need to look internally. These these bullies are running this coalition.
Speaker 1: It's the Black Square from BLM. You're right, if you
Speaker 1: didn't post it, then you're you're a racist, and it's
Speaker 1: it's there is an element of that with the identity
Speaker 1: politics of it all, with with when we're when we're
Speaker 1: discussing Israel.
Speaker 3: I mean, you remember Charlie's tweet that you that you
Speaker 3: put out now as tweet your internal message, the one
Speaker 3: that you gave the Okay, well, but it's said it's said.
Speaker 1: In there, like, what what do you mean.
Speaker 3: I'm not revealing it already revealed as well ago, but
Speaker 3: like it said something like and look, it wasn't perfectly phrased.
Speaker 3: We said something like these Jewish donors are behaving like
Speaker 3: so according to stereotype or something like that, which I
Speaker 3: know that's not polite. He was loosely talking.
Speaker 1: As by the way, this is a private conversation.
Speaker 3: But I know what he was trying to say. He
Speaker 3: was like, you're doing the thing that people stereotype you
Speaker 3: for doing that most of us defend you against. To me,
Speaker 3: that's what he was saying.
Speaker 1: Well, and there was a larger conversation that you know,
Speaker 1: Charlie was toying with this idea of like maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we just were defending Western civilization. You get to be
Speaker 1: a part of that. That was kind of one of
Speaker 1: the ideas we're throwing out. But you know, the issue was,
Speaker 1: you know, Charlie is not Jewish, and he would go
Speaker 1: to some of these campuses and you know, you're wrestling
Speaker 1: with young people over these ideologies and these ideas, and
Speaker 1: he would get fifty to sixty percent of his questions
Speaker 1: at some campuses on this one issue. He made Blake
Speaker 1: read like forty eight books about Israel just to like
Speaker 1: arm him, like with like you.
Speaker 4: That's what we were doing the night before, was we
Speaker 4: were war planning if you get all these questions about it,
Speaker 4: because we just knew it could be an absolute bombardment
Speaker 4: on that.
Speaker 3: Were you seeing young conservatives start to ask more questions?
Speaker 1: That's all it was. That was fifty the questions, So
Speaker 1: sometimes it was it was really big.
Speaker 4: I just remember, very shortly after I started with Charlie,
Speaker 4: I was telling him because he'd already had that the
Speaker 4: Groper experience in twenty nineteen where they would spam him,
Speaker 4: but I think he had compartmentalized that, and shortly after
Speaker 4: I started, I was telling him, Charlie, this is going
Speaker 4: to be coming. There's going to be a huge wave
Speaker 4: of more anti overt anti Semitism on the right among
Speaker 4: young people, because that's just that's clearly what the trend
Speaker 4: is headed towards, and he took that to heart. I
Speaker 4: saw him bring that up in conversations with people, and
Speaker 4: he was trying to give them a heads up. And
Speaker 4: that's what would cause a lot of this anger is
Speaker 4: he would come to them and love and say, guys,
Speaker 4: you have a huge problem coming and you need to
Speaker 4: adjust your strategy or you're going to be caught really
Speaker 4: badly off guard. And unfortunately, I think a lot of
Speaker 4: them didn't take that advice, and we're seeing his warning
Speaker 4: come to pass totally.
Speaker 1: Good conversation is about showing respect. It's how we create
Speaker 1: a space where people are able to share their ideas
Speaker 1: and to be heard. Charlie knew that TikTok has always
Speaker 1: strived to build that kind of place that thrives unrespectful connection,
Speaker 1: where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on
Speaker 1: our minds and learn from each other. When ideas meet respect,
Speaker 1: good things happen on TikTok. You can find a mechanic
Speaker 1: explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't
Speaker 1: even know how to name or a father sharing a
Speaker 1: lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, discuss,
Speaker 1: and respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts
Speaker 1: of understanding. You can feel it in the comments, in
Speaker 1: the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.
Speaker 1: TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion,
Speaker 1: and discussion helps us build something.
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Speaker 1: Should we take a few questions? I could love this conversation,
Speaker 1: but I would love to do We have a microphone,
Speaker 1: let's get a few and Daisy, you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: when we need to wrap her because she's got to
Speaker 1: get to what's that? Oh you did?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's we don't have Let's just let let's just
Speaker 4: let them get it to Megan and hopefully we can get.
Speaker 1: Through two three. First question for Megan, please over here.
Speaker 3: When all your friends and people you work with are
Speaker 3: fighting with each other, do you when you and you
Speaker 3: stay out of it, but you also stand for what's right?
Speaker 3: What is some advice do you have for a young
Speaker 3: girl to do the exact same thing? Oh that's sweet,
Speaker 3: thank you for asking that. I mean I think you can,
Speaker 3: and what I've tried to do from the beginning on this,
Speaker 3: I think you can show empathy for both sides and
Speaker 3: their positions. And you know, in the case of the
Speaker 3: Israel divide, that was kind of easy for me because
Speaker 3: I knew I knew people on both sides, like Glenn
Speaker 3: Greenwald and Ben Shapiro are diametrically opposed on this issue
Speaker 3: and have been for a long time, both Jewish, both Jewish,
Speaker 3: and they both come on my show regularly for years,
Speaker 3: so I know them very well. And so I could
Speaker 3: listen to Glenn talk about Israel in a way that
Speaker 3: I didn't really agree with at all, but he's so
Speaker 3: smart that I and I love him. He would educate me,
Speaker 3: you know, I've learned some things about Israel. Was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's actually not great. Okay, that's good to know. And
Speaker 3: then I talked to Ben and he'd have good defenses
Speaker 3: on these things, and we'd go back and forth. So
Speaker 3: I think you have to make space. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 3: hate that a phrase for both sides. It's very ho
Speaker 3: to copy, but.
Speaker 1: You didn't say safe space.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, They're all bad anyway, show some empathy, like
Speaker 3: actually try to listen to the friends about their grievances,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be it doesn't. That's not
Speaker 3: talking about the other friends behind their back. That's you
Speaker 3: really trying to understand what the grievances are. And I
Speaker 3: generally love the feeling that when you're talking to people,
Speaker 3: even if it's people you oppose ideologically or what have you,
Speaker 3: if you can give them a couple of points, you're
Speaker 3: going to advance the conversation. They're going to like you more,
Speaker 3: are they gonna trust you more, and you could make
Speaker 3: inroads with them better, as opposed to just being like, well,
Speaker 3: I disagree, well you did the you cheated with her boyfriend.
Speaker 3: You're terrible. Like maybe it's more like why why would
Speaker 3: you do that? Like what was it?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What made you?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Like inquisitive without judgment, I think is the way to
Speaker 3: handle it.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, love, thank you.
Speaker 5: I had a second question or a question. So I
Speaker 5: have a friend that I go to college with. He's
Speaker 5: been you know, he's very involved. He's a geopolitician, you know,
Speaker 5: but he's also a liberal. He has been criticizing me
Speaker 5: for my support of Israel, and he's been bringing up
Speaker 5: history lessons such as the USS liberty, the USS liberty,
Speaker 5: I believe attack, yeah happened, And told him, like, why
Speaker 5: are we supporting Israel? Literally they're trying to take out
Speaker 5: Iran and then including with trying to control Gaza and
Speaker 5: trying to and you know they're attacked back on Gaza
Speaker 5: after what God Hamas did to Israel. And I told him,
Speaker 5: you know, I disagreed with him, but then all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, how can I you know, and we could
Speaker 5: have civil conversation. But when it comes to when it
Speaker 5: comes to trying to criticize Israel or try to like
Speaker 5: be soft on the issue. But then when it comes
Speaker 5: to Hamas like he tries to justify, not justify it,
Speaker 5: but like be light about it.
Speaker 3: Should go read the Moss Charter and your argument is
Speaker 3: going to get a lot better. I think you should
Speaker 3: do what we used to do in the law, which
Speaker 3: is the best way to argue your side is to
Speaker 3: prepare the other sides first, Like go go study what
Speaker 3: it is about the anti Israel side that that he's
Speaker 3: attracted to that you think is powerful when he makes points,
Speaker 3: learn it, understand it, and then go back and start
Speaker 3: it and study the pro Israel side and you'll be
Speaker 3: much better equipped to have these arts and maybe you'll
Speaker 3: change your mind somewhat too. That's fine too, But honestly,
Speaker 3: you have to be very careful about the media on
Speaker 3: Israel because there are manipulations both ways. It's very heavy
Speaker 3: propaganda game here. I trust real clear politics. I go
Speaker 3: there every morning and they'll have op eds from both
Speaker 3: the left and the right, including on Israel, and that's
Speaker 3: one place that won't corrupt your beautiful mind. So maybe
Speaker 3: start there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's raising a good point about the moral
Speaker 1: inconsistencies that are applied to Hamas versus Israel. Israel has
Speaker 1: definitely held to a much higher standard, I would say
Speaker 1: then than Hamas, and that's because specifically on the left,
Speaker 1: because they look at the world through an oppress or
Speaker 1: appressed lens, and so if they qualify you as the oppressed,
Speaker 1: then basically you can do whatever you want and you're
Speaker 1: not guilty of anything.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Hi, Megan, my name's Ashley, and I just want to
Speaker 1: thank you for being here.
Speaker 3: I have a quick question, what cultural issue do you
Speaker 3: think conservatives should be talking about more?
Speaker 1: But we just aren't.
Speaker 3: Well, I hate to say it, given what's happening this week.
Speaker 3: But pot marijuana, Amen, I really do I think like this.
Speaker 3: I'm totally against like making it more accessible. And I
Speaker 3: understand Trump is trying to make it allegedly more more
Speaker 3: accessible for people who need it for medical purposes. But
Speaker 3: today's pot is not the pot that we were up
Speaker 3: with back in the eighties. Though I've never tried pot,
Speaker 3: do you believe it? Yeah, never tried a drug of
Speaker 3: any kind of other than alcohol.
Speaker 1: There we go, we're either the body nor the mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was actually I was you do it? No,
Speaker 1: I was. I was on a basketball party one of
Speaker 1: those again, and and uh, totally I went total paranoid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate it. That doesn't sound it was terrible, terrible experience.
Speaker 3: Well, I do think marijuana is like going to it's
Speaker 3: already posing a serious problem. And one of the things
Speaker 3: we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up
Speaker 3: over and over and it comes up. You probably haven't
Speaker 3: even heard that because it's like a footnote to the reporting.
Speaker 3: Nobody's like giving that credence as possibly one of the
Speaker 3: factors playing in And they should just read Alex Berenson
Speaker 3: and what's in today's marijuana.
Speaker 1: Was here today debating why he's against weed. And actually,
Speaker 1: anytime with this debate would come up, we'd bring Alex
Speaker 1: Barnson on.
Speaker 3: He's phenomenal on this as always turning points ahead of curve.
Speaker 3: They're on it for you. But yeah, that would be
Speaker 3: my answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. And by the way, even with the story
Speaker 1: with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigg's assassin of Charlie alleged,
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if I'm legally supposed to
Speaker 1: do whatever he did it. But the point is, you
Speaker 1: know they were just sitting around an apartment like vaping THHC,
Speaker 1: just constantly, just and so you imagine how the potency
Speaker 1: of it and the the psych what do you call it,
Speaker 1: the psychosis, Yeah, psychotropic effects of THHC and that high dosages.
Speaker 1: I mean, and if you're young and you're using a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of weed, it can really impact
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. It can really lead to
Speaker 1: some very terrible things. So I love that answer.
Speaker 3: Look at those videos of that Ascension school shooter. The
Speaker 3: most disturbing things I saw this year, those awful, awful
Speaker 3: you know this school in Minneapolis where this shooter killed
Speaker 3: children going to their their Christian School into the church,
Speaker 3: and he's showing all all these demons in his photos.
Speaker 3: He sees himself as a demons giggling to him everyone
Speaker 3: he's smoking weed. In every video he's smoking weed, and
Speaker 3: it's like no one talked about it, like Okay, it's sup.
Speaker 3: It's just like a like half a glass of shiblee,
Speaker 3: which it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a I'm a complete believer that when
Speaker 1: you use hard drugs or maybe just a lot of THHC,
Speaker 1: which is a hard drug, actually when it's at those dosages,
Speaker 1: that it's a highway to hell, that it opens you
Speaker 1: up to dark forces because you lose control of the
Speaker 1: things that God gave you to control your mind and
Speaker 1: your heart and to keep bad things out.
Speaker 3: I want of the thing. The guy who started the
Speaker 3: psychedelics clinic at Johns Hopkins University and was the godfather
Speaker 3: of psychedelics, all this other MDNNA and all the stuff
Speaker 3: that people take. Ketamine, he told me in an interview.
Speaker 3: We did that if you if there's any history of
Speaker 3: schizophrenia in your family, any and it can go way
Speaker 3: back and we don't know, and you go in even
Speaker 3: in a controlled setting, which she said is the only
Speaker 3: way you should ever do one of those drugs. Some
Speaker 3: people do it for cancer depression. You know, there are reasons,
Speaker 3: there are good reasons to try it. You can have
Speaker 3: a psychotic break from which you never return. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: never return. It's very dangerous what these people are playing with.
Speaker 3: And that Lance Twigs like I think that one of
Speaker 3: the reports was that he had mushrooms in.
Speaker 1: There, d off black market HRT hormone replacement therapy.
Speaker 3: The guy was all of that must be looked into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this was uplifting. Megan Kelly. Give it up
Speaker 1: for Maggie Kelly, everybody.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me, Thank you.
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