1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: fighting for the future of our republic. My call is 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: end up miserable. But if the most important thing is 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: should get married as young as possible and have as 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: many kids as possible. Go start at turning point. 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I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: So, Megan, you know what we're going to talk about here. It's, 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: of course the affordability crisis. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: like you know, thank you for joining us and making 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: the time you are in demand. You went from one 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: thing to the next and next you had a delay 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: getting here. So I just want to give Megan Kelly 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: serious kudos that she still showed up for all of 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: you and for this podcast. God bless you for that. 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 3: I would not, of course love you guys, Thank you. 30 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: Love you, Megan. So I do want to give you 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: a chance to just kind of people didn't understand the 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: role you were playing behind the scenes, and I understood it, 33 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: and I wasn't I wasn't at liberty to explain what 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: you were doing behind the scenes. But I actually think 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you because there was very 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: few people that could have filled that role that you 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: were attempting to play, and you were holding your fire 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: even though your audience was like demanding you weigh in 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: on certain things and you didn't. You were disciplined and professional. 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: So I know exactly what you did and why you 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: did it, and I want to vouch for you as 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: a third party that understood why you were, you know, 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: remaining out of the fray, and you took a lot 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: of heat from that, what was that? Like, you know, 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: so thank you for that. 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's annoying to me to be attacked by people 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: who don't know what they're talking about. Right, So it's 48 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: one thing if you have your doubt's like why isn't 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 3: she saying this about that or this about the other thing? 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: And then maybe you reach out to me and say, 51 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: is there another reason? Like is there something I don't know? 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: But to see people who I consider like long term 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: friends go out and publicly call me a coward when 54 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: you and I both know how much we've talked behind 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: the scenes about how to handle this problem. What are 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: the options? What do we all think is the best option? 57 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: You too, Blake. We could do this, we could do this, 58 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: we could do that, Let's try this. Maybe we'll do 59 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: a baby step this way. You know, we've all been 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: talking for months and then it graduated to you know, 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: it was ramping up. And then Erica called me and uh, 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: it was her. It was her idea to meet with Candace, 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: and she said I want to do it. And I 64 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: originally said, are you sure you want to do that? Like, 65 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, Candace said, one word from you will silence this, 66 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: and maybe you just have to give her a word. 67 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: Maybe if you just send her a note or a. 68 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: Letter, try try peace. 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: Like maybe maybe Candace wants an off ramp potentially, I 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know kandas that well, I know 71 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: her a little. I've gotten to know her a little 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: better over the past few months. So but Erica really 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: didn't want to do that. She thought it was important 74 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: that it be like an in person meeting and that 75 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: she allow herself to be subjected to whatever questions Candace had. 76 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: And she said, will you please be a part of 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: that with me, like will you go with me? And 78 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: of course I said, yes, I'll go. And at that 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: I felt it was I was very lucky that I 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: hadn't been leading attacks against Candace, because I mean, obviously 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: I disagreed with her on all the things she said 82 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: about you guys have turning. But when I said that 83 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: on my show many times, I mean, it made very 84 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: clear to everybody I don't agree with these theories and 85 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 3: this is what I think happened, and all the evidence 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: suggests it is this man and whatever. But I was 87 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace 88 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: Owens because I was in a position where I would 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: have been acceptable to her, And sure enough she and 90 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: I had a text exchange shortly after mine with Erica 91 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: where she was like, I'm glad it's you. Yes, I'll 92 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: do it, and I just just excuse me, just saw 93 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: Erica backstage and she said, you can say whatever. You 94 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: can tell everybody what's happened. But the original plan was 95 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: that we were going to have a live stream on 96 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: the day. You guys were going to do the live 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: stream in Arizona was the first plan. Erica, Candace and 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: yours truly as more of a facilitator, those two were 99 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: going to do it, and I was going to there 100 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: just to keep everybody within the lines. And then Candace 101 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: said she was facing a security threat out here in 102 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: Arizona and that she couldn't she wasn't going to come. 103 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: And. 104 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: Erica said, I'll come to you, which I was surprised 105 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: Erica said that, you know, because if Erica didn't really 106 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: want to do this, she easily could have been like okay, 107 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: I offered, but she was like, no, well I'll come 108 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: to Nashville try it again. So I was like, wow, 109 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: Like Eric's strong, She's like she's going through a lot 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: right now, and she's got her kids and she had 111 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: just come off of like Charlie's book tour, was in 112 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 3: the middle of it, so it was like a lot 113 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: and I will say, to her credit, Candace actually wound 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: up saying okay to that though they the live stream 115 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: idea died, and they wound up deciding that they would 116 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: just meet the two of them since they weren't going 117 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 3: to put this out on the airwaves. Republic consumption consumption, 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: which was fine with me, and I thought that was 119 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: a good idea. And look, I mean, it's up to 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: them to talk about, you know, what did and did 121 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: not happen there. But my the initial impression, I think 122 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: it's fair to say from both women was that it 123 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: went it went well, and that it ended in a 124 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: much better place than where it started. Now will that 125 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: hold what's more fragile, the Gaza peace fire or this situation. 126 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: I know Eric is not going to do anything. The 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: question is where's Candice is going to take And I've 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: seen what she's doing this week. I really don't know. 129 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: My only goal all along has been to try not 130 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: to take sides. Not the turning point thing, but in 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: the Israel battle. That's happening in the conservative movement such 132 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: that I can make room for people who are upset 133 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: with Israel and not fans of Israel's behavior, and still, 134 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 3: you know, have room for the people who are ardently 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 3: pro Israel, as I have been, as Charlie was for 136 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 3: all those years. And then that morph like it started 137 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: off like an insistence that I condemned the people who 138 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: were anti Israel into an insistence that I condemn every 139 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: single iteration of what they were saying forevermore. And then 140 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: it felt to blmy for me, and I was like, 141 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: I'm out. 142 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: It reminds me of what Russell Brand said from stage, 143 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: where he was just like, I'm so against it, like authority, 144 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: I have to rage against it, and it was there 145 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: is a thing you have. Tucker's kind of like that too. 146 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: When you tell Tucker he can't talk about something, He's 147 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about it, like do if you want 148 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: him to talk about it, just do the reverse psychology 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: with Tucker. You cannot talk about UFOs and then the 150 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: guy's going to just go all in on UFOs for 151 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: like a year ago, and that was Charlie too. 152 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 4: Where people would say, don't have Tucker at the event 153 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: and I remember him saying I might have to invite 154 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: him twice. 155 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he just got two speeches. Yeah, we're going 156 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: to do two speeches. 157 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: And it was just that was what he said. He 158 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: hated moral blackmail. Yes, if you want to make the 159 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that. With that 160 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: argument of you should feel strong armed into not associating 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: with him, he just despised that we Well. 162 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: It's like it's not enough that you're not a critic, 163 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: Like you're not okay, So somebody like a Ben Shapiro 164 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: doesn't like the critics of Israel or whatever his latest 165 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: point is. Now he's trying to say it's all about Erica, 166 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: but it's about Israel. So he doesn't like the people 167 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: who are critics of Israel. But then he also wants 168 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: to can them and excommunicate people who aren't critics of 169 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: the critics. They also need to go. So who will 170 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: be standing when Ben is done with us? Truly? Like 171 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: who It'll be Ben and Barry Weiss, It'll be great. 172 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and 173 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: today I want to point you to their podcast. It's 174 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: called Culture in Christianity. The Alan Jackson podcast. 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You 190 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry 191 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: at Alan Jackson dot com. 192 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: Forward slash Charlie, I did notice a tweet that you 193 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: put out about an hour and a half ago. Whenever 194 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: people watch this, so I don't know when that will 195 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: be But were you talking about something that I said 196 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: this backstage. I was like, that is exactly what Charlie 197 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: would have said. And you said something about, you know, 198 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: friends should pick up the phone and call you if 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: they have a problem instead of sneak attack. And I 200 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: didn't know exactly who you were directing that at, but 201 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: it was Ben or Barry or both way to read. 202 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 4: It both okay, yeah, we got only cowards take to 203 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: the national stage or x to attack their friends without 204 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: so much as a phone call to discuss it. And 205 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: also didn't tag me because she is afraid laughing emoji, 206 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: laughing emoji, laughing emoji. 207 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: I was retweeting a tweet by Barry Weiss which reads, 208 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: oh I can get that too, Yeah, it's attached. 209 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: It was Barry said, only cowards tolerate conspiracy theorists. Ben 210 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 4: Shapiro delivered a barn burner tonight at TPUSA. Read the 211 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: whole thing in the Free Press, and I think it's 212 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 4: just a link to his address. 213 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just tell you something. Barry Weiss 214 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: over the past five years has been like a good 215 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: friend of mine. I have advised her in her many 216 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: legal battles she's had I have advised her on her 217 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: failed nonprofit that she tried. I have constantly been there 218 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: to help her through any sort of tumultuous thing that 219 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: came her way. We've had drinks together. Like I know 220 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: Barry Weiss, Ben Shapiro has been coming on my show 221 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: since twenty eleven. Nobody knew who he was. I literally 222 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: helped make Ben Shapiro's name for him. So I have 223 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: a lot of very positive experiences in the well with 224 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: both of these folks, and they know that I've been 225 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: very pro Israel. So what in the actual. 226 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: Eleven year olds? Eleven year olds got job? I know 227 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Charlie doesn't Charlie always say that, he would say he's 228 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: I always remember there's eleven year olds listening, and I 229 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: love that. It's such a guiding life from me. 230 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: But yes, so yeah, So I very much felt like 231 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: this is so out of line, This is so uncalled for. 232 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: Who wouldn't call me? These guys are they actually know me? 233 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: I'm in both of their cell phones, they have my number. 234 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: Who wouldn't just call me up and say, is there 235 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: something else going on here that I need to know? Right? Like? 236 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: What's going on? Nope, it's it's more fun to go 237 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: out on the stage and call a dear friend and 238 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: Ben couch it with, oh, she's a friend with friends 239 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: like that and call them a coward. Okay, take it 240 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: up with Erica. 241 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: You know I did this earlier. I'm not going to 242 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: do it again. I asked the audience, you know, did 243 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: you appreciate the Ben Shapiro approach? And about half the 244 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: hands went up, and I said, do you appreciate the 245 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: Tucker approach? Half the hands went up, sometimes the same hand, Yeah, 246 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: because like this, yeah, one of these. It is very 247 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: interesting when you look at the divisions on the right, 248 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I started this conversation by 249 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: praising that you were trying to be a peacemaker, that 250 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: you were trying to hold your fire, and you were 251 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: actually trying to do the right thing. Where you were 252 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: strategically doing something which people interpreted as cowardice, you were 253 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: actually playing a long game to help bring peace to 254 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: a situation that was pretty volatile. And that's why I 255 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: want people to know that why you did what you did, 256 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Why I did not personally take offense, why I was 257 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, all that thing, all those things, but the 258 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: divisions are are real and they do tend to come 259 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: down along this. A lot of this is the Israel. 260 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: It's the neo con it's the Israel issue. And you know, 261 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: it's funny. I got a press inquiry going about that. 262 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: We just celebrated a one of the hostages on stage 263 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: and they were at the music festival five hundred and 264 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: five days in captivity, and they're like, well with all 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: the Israel stuff, you know, And I was like, wait, 266 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: are you conflating a foreign policy debate with whether or 267 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: not it's okay for somebody to be held hostage for 268 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: five hundred and five days? Why have we lost our 269 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: ever loving minds about. 270 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: Some leftist statement? The leftist refused to celebrate when Trump 271 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: got the hostages out. It was like those emotional videos 272 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: of the hostage is being released, Like if you can't 273 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: celebrate that, you've lost your grip on humanity. But there's 274 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: no question Israel is dividing the conservative movement right now. 275 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: And may I just say, for the record, I strongly object. 276 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I say it's. 277 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: Deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a 278 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: foreign country. I do think there is a contingent within 279 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: the pro Israeli group that is Israel first. They really are. 280 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: They're proving it every day, and you know, this is 281 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: some of what I'm going to talk about tonight. But 282 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: I don't see it that way at all. I'm not 283 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: the people who are my enemy are the people who 284 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: shot Charlie Kirk. It's the people who want all of 285 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: us dead because we're at a turning point convention. It 286 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: is not someone who doesn't like Israel or bb net 287 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: in Yahoo or even somebody who has some negative associations 288 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: with not Jewish people writ large, but with the Jewish 289 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: activists who are a bunch of bullies. I understand the 290 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 3: criticism against them because I've been on the receiving end 291 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: of it, notwithstanding the fact that I've never said one 292 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: word against Israel, not one word. It's my failure to 293 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: condemn as if I am mother of the Internet. It's ridiculous. 294 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: So I really think these the pro Israel advocates, like 295 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who 296 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: are tearing the movement apart. 297 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting because there was a lot made 298 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: after Charlie was assassinated about the meeting in the Hamptons, 299 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: like it became this like, oh it all went down 300 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: to the Hamptons and that's why Charlie's dead. And you know, 301 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: it's funny. I talked to Charlie and he's like, I 302 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: was kind of boring whatever, And I talked to all 303 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: the team. Nothing like exceptional. Really that exceptional happened, at 304 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: least in Charlie's mind. And I asked him. I was like, 305 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: what was the whole point of the Hampton saying? He 306 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: was like, oh, it is an intervention. I was like, 307 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: for them on you or you on them. He's like, oh, yeah, 308 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: for me on them. I needed to tell like my 309 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Jewish friends, like they're they're causing more damage than they 310 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: are good and they're driving people away. And I and 311 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, And then another thing that went viral was 312 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: you and Charlie's conversation on your show right after that, Yeah, 313 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: where he was just like so annoyed at the moral 314 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: blackmailing and it's like, we are we are your friends. 315 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: You know, you don't you found it repulsive? 316 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? He did, and I and you know, and I 317 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: try and have a sensitivity for it, and I sympathize 318 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: with it because you know, just like you, I have 319 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: been pro Israel my whole life. I've never really even 320 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: questioned it. You know, I like them better than the 321 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: other guys, you know, like that as an American. I mean, 322 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: you know we have similar enemies. You know, I love 323 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: the Holy Land. I love like that my Lord and 324 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: Savior walked there, you know, and that they are good 325 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: stewards of a lot of those holy sites. But you know, 326 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: when you get to a point where you're like your friend, 327 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: your friends have gone through this traumatic situation of over seventh, 328 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: you try and have sympathy for that and understand that 329 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: it's been a traumatic experience, but you know, we have 330 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: to find a way through here, a third way through. 331 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's what Charlie was doing. He was 332 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: trying to fight for a larger conversation that more people 333 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: could feel a part of it. 334 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: I agree both of us were, and that's why when 335 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: he came on that show. You and I've talked about 336 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: this many times. But when he came on my show 337 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: on August sixth, which was post the intervention, we were 338 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: not planning on discussing Israel. I'm trying to get my 339 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: exact timing right, because he came on once a month, 340 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: so I think that was the August sixth one. We 341 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: were not planning on discussing Israel at all. I just knew. 342 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: I knew from seeing him at the Student Action Summit 343 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: where we had a backstage exchange, that he had had it, 344 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: and I was feeling the same. I was like, this 345 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: isn't very annoying. I had said almost nothing about Israel. Literally, 346 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: I'd gone on Piers Morgan and said, I think it's 347 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: time to wrap it up for them, because their approval 348 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: rating is plummeting. Like the popularity of Israel and Yahoo 349 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: in America. They've already lost the liberals, they've love independence, 350 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: they're starting to lose Republicans, especially the young people, which 351 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: is who Charlie spent his life surrounded by. So he 352 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: knew too. And for that the brigade turned and they 353 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: were very, very angry that I said at the Studentational 354 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: Summit that Epstein, if he was being controlled by anybody, 355 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: any sort of foreign intelligence service, it was probably Masad 356 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: anti semit that's an anti Semitic. Literally Benjamin Netanyah who 357 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: just sent out a tweet saying that within the past 358 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: twenty days is he anti Semitic. So it's like both 359 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: of us were feeling this is insane, Like if they'll 360 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 3: do this to two ardent advocates who have been on 361 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: their side openly and avowedly for two years now, since 362 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: ten to seven, not to mention before that, then they'll 363 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: do this to anybody. And it really did cause me 364 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: to start looking harder at some of the claims that 365 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: they've been throwing out of anti Semitic and to your point, Andrew, 366 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 3: I'm going to say something else, and this is their fault? 367 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 3: Is this is their fault. I've also been somebody who's 368 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: knee jerk supported Israel my whole life, and then I 369 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: got to Fox and you had to It was not 370 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: a question like you must support Israel, which was fine 371 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: because that was my natural inclination anyway. But it's only 372 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: now that I'm starting to reevaluate do I support Israel? Like? 373 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: What is it about Israel that I support? Why have 374 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: I been so knee jerk defensive of them? Is there 375 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: another side to consider? Have I been? Have I been 376 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: intolerant of people who have a different argument on this? 377 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: And do I need to do some soul searching on 378 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: my certainty about what white hat warriors they are? And 379 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: I'm telling you it is not Hamas or the Palestinian 380 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: protesters on Columbia campus who got me to start thinking 381 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: that way. It is the bullies who are trying to 382 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: censor speech on our side about this issue. 383 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: President Trump walked into a catch twenty two when taking office. 384 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: Do nothing in America would be staring at a ticking 385 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead, 386 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train 387 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: and buy some time. But the effects of past administration 388 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: spending are still working through the system, and experts predict 389 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: dramatic price increases and market uncertainty. Trump is doing all 390 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: he can, but no matter who's in office, protecting your 391 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: retirement savings is ultimately up to you, and that's why 392 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: many Americans are turning to real assets like gold and silver. 393 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Preserve Gold is our go to choice here at the 394 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk Show. We use them because they make it 395 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: easy to own physical gold and silver even inside your 396 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: retirement accounts, like an IRA or four oh one k 397 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: now hear from Charlie in his own words. 398 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: Preserve gold is my go to choice for all my 399 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: precious metal needs. They are the real deal, and I 400 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: recommend them to my friends, family and viewers. 401 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: Get their free Wealth Protection Guide now by texting Charlie 402 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: to five zero five zero five. President Trump is fighting 403 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: for America's future. Now, it's your term to help protect yours. 404 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 4: And it really is something about it being used as 405 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 4: a weapon, because I remember one that was very upsetting 406 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: to Charlie. It was in twenty three, remember where he 407 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: just Charlie speculated, did they have reason that they should 408 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 4: have caught the attack on to Yeah, happened. 409 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: Even I'm Patrick bit David's podcast and speculated. He speculated. 410 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: It was like he didn't say it was an inside job, 411 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: but he was like they're so good. 412 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, someone that yeah, like, how did this happen? 413 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: They need to find it out or did someone you 414 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: know downplay it or ignore something? And he gets denounced 415 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: as an anti Semite by someone in one of those 416 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 4: op eds. And it was I strongly suspect that that 417 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 4: attack it was someone who already just didn't like turning point. 418 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: They didn't like Charlie's position on the RNC. 419 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: They didn't Three of them that did it, yes, and 420 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: their names will not be mentioned because it's not worth Yeah, 421 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: it's not worth it. 422 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: But they just saw this as some sort of opportunity 423 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 4: to attack Charlie, and to use an attack that's severe 424 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 4: in such a cynical way was very right. 425 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: And then without looking at all at Charlie's prior history 426 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: of supporting Israel, and this is going Israel and so on. 427 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: Well, and we had young Jewish leadership summits, we sent 428 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: students to Israel to experience the Holy Land, mostly Christians 429 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: by the way. And then what happened is this is 430 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: how these lies get laundered. So these tweets go out 431 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, at the rn C, 432 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: these New York Times journalists have to pump out like 433 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: six stories a day, eight and when they're used to 434 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: doing like one a week, right, so they're not doing 435 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: their normal fact checking. The New York Times it was 436 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: a Jewish writer out of Chicago. Forget his name, actually 437 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but he puts out 438 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: like a headline. There's maybe four hundred and fifty words story. 439 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, long known to have anti Semitic whatever, is 440 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: speaking at the rn C, one of Israel's biggest supporters, 441 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: is labeled in the New York Times as an anti 442 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: semi Then what happens. Charlie gets up to the stage 443 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: at the RNC starts giving his address. It's a huge 444 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: moment for Charlie and CNN Jake Tapper. They cut away 445 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: from Charlie's speech and Jake Tapper goes well, puts out 446 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: the New York Times article and goes, Charlie's long had 447 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: a reputation and a history of vile anti Semitism, and 448 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: it's like all fake, It's all fake. And I'm on 449 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: the phone going, like, you know, I'm my job is 450 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: to like yell at the reporter and like, you know, 451 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: Dennis Praeger and actually Mark Levin, God bless them both. 452 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: They I forced the New York Times to basically take 453 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: their quotes and say this is BS and garbage. But 454 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: the damage was done from three bad faith tweets to 455 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: his twenty twenty four R and C speech and all 456 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's labeled as this, and he's like, 457 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: what does a guy gotta do to not be just like, 458 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, labeled with the scarlet letter. 459 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's the anatomy of a smear. Yes, but 460 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: I like, look, I this sounds so trite, but truly. 461 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: Almost all of my closest friends are Jewish. Just so. 462 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I've been living on the Upper West Side 463 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: of Manhattan for the past ten years, and I really 464 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 3: believe that there is a serious objection, even amongst a 465 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: lot of Jewish Americans to the bullies. Because you could 466 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: write an article like this, that's the end, That's what 467 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: you just told us is the anatomy of a smear. 468 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: But you could you could write a similar article, the 469 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: making of an anti Semite, that would start with these 470 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm. This is 471 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 3: no way to get people over to your side. It 472 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: is it is BLM, and they really need to listen 473 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 3: to me, because I have an unblemished record on support 474 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 3: for israel I. Do not to mention American Jews, of 475 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: whom I was extremely defensive. I wanted all those guys 476 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: deported at Brown and Columbia, all these people who are 477 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 3: visa holders out there protesting globalize the Intifadic, get out, 478 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: get out. We don't want anti semix here. But they 479 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: need to look internally. These these bullies are running this coalition. 480 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: It's the Black Square from BLM. You're right, if you 481 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: didn't post it, then you're you're a racist, and it's 482 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: it's there is an element of that with the identity 483 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: politics of it all, with with when we're when we're 484 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: discussing Israel. 485 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you remember Charlie's tweet that you that you 486 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: put out now as tweet your internal message, the one 487 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: that you gave the Okay, well, but it's said it's said. 488 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: In there, like, what what do you mean. 489 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm not revealing it already revealed as well ago, but 490 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: like it said something like and look, it wasn't perfectly phrased. 491 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: We said something like these Jewish donors are behaving like 492 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 3: so according to stereotype or something like that, which I 493 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: know that's not polite. He was loosely talking. 494 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: As by the way, this is a private conversation. 495 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: But I know what he was trying to say. He 496 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: was like, you're doing the thing that people stereotype you 497 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 3: for doing that most of us defend you against. To me, 498 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: that's what he was saying. 499 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: Well, and there was a larger conversation that you know, 500 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: Charlie was toying with this idea of like maybe maybe 501 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: we just were defending Western civilization. You get to be 502 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: a part of that. That was kind of one of 503 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: the ideas we're throwing out. But you know, the issue was, 504 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, Charlie is not Jewish, and he would go 505 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: to some of these campuses and you know, you're wrestling 506 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: with young people over these ideologies and these ideas, and 507 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: he would get fifty to sixty percent of his questions 508 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: at some campuses on this one issue. He made Blake 509 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: read like forty eight books about Israel just to like 510 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: arm him, like with like you. 511 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: That's what we were doing the night before, was we 512 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: were war planning if you get all these questions about it, 513 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 4: because we just knew it could be an absolute bombardment 514 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 4: on that. 515 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: Were you seeing young conservatives start to ask more questions? 516 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: That's all it was. That was fifty the questions, So 517 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: sometimes it was it was really big. 518 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 4: I just remember, very shortly after I started with Charlie, 519 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 4: I was telling him because he'd already had that the 520 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 4: Groper experience in twenty nineteen where they would spam him, 521 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: but I think he had compartmentalized that, and shortly after 522 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 4: I started, I was telling him, Charlie, this is going 523 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 4: to be coming. There's going to be a huge wave 524 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 4: of more anti overt anti Semitism on the right among 525 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: young people, because that's just that's clearly what the trend 526 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: is headed towards, and he took that to heart. I 527 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 4: saw him bring that up in conversations with people, and 528 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 4: he was trying to give them a heads up. And 529 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: that's what would cause a lot of this anger is 530 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 4: he would come to them and love and say, guys, 531 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 4: you have a huge problem coming and you need to 532 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 4: adjust your strategy or you're going to be caught really 533 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: badly off guard. And unfortunately, I think a lot of 534 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 4: them didn't take that advice, and we're seeing his warning 535 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: come to pass totally. 536 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: Good conversation is about showing respect. It's how we create 537 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: a space where people are able to share their ideas 538 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: and to be heard. Charlie knew that TikTok has always 539 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: strived to build that kind of place that thrives unrespectful connection, 540 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on 541 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: our minds and learn from each other. When ideas meet respect, 542 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: good things happen on TikTok. You can find a mechanic 543 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't 544 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: even know how to name or a father sharing a 545 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, discuss, 546 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: and respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts 547 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: of understanding. You can feel it in the comments, in 548 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world. 549 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, 550 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: and discussion helps us build something. 551 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: Real portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok. 552 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: Should we take a few questions? I could love this conversation, 553 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: but I would love to do We have a microphone, 554 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: let's get a few and Daisy, you're gonna tell me 555 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: when we need to wrap her because she's got to 556 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: get to what's that? Oh you did? 557 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's we don't have Let's just let let's just 558 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 4: let them get it to Megan and hopefully we can get. 559 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: Through two three. First question for Megan, please over here. 560 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: When all your friends and people you work with are 561 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 3: fighting with each other, do you when you and you 562 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: stay out of it, but you also stand for what's right? 563 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: What is some advice do you have for a young 564 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 3: girl to do the exact same thing? Oh that's sweet, 565 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 3: thank you for asking that. I mean I think you can, 566 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 3: and what I've tried to do from the beginning on this, 567 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: I think you can show empathy for both sides and 568 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 3: their positions. And you know, in the case of the 569 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: Israel divide, that was kind of easy for me because 570 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: I knew I knew people on both sides, like Glenn 571 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: Greenwald and Ben Shapiro are diametrically opposed on this issue 572 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: and have been for a long time, both Jewish, both Jewish, 573 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: and they both come on my show regularly for years, 574 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: so I know them very well. And so I could 575 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: listen to Glenn talk about Israel in a way that 576 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: I didn't really agree with at all, but he's so 577 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 3: smart that I and I love him. He would educate me, 578 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: you know, I've learned some things about Israel. Was like, oh, 579 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 3: that's actually not great. Okay, that's good to know. And 580 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 3: then I talked to Ben and he'd have good defenses 581 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 3: on these things, and we'd go back and forth. So 582 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: I think you have to make space. I'm sorry, I 583 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: hate that a phrase for both sides. It's very ho 584 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 3: to copy, but. 585 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: You didn't say safe space. 586 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, They're all bad anyway, show some empathy, like 587 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 3: actually try to listen to the friends about their grievances, 588 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be it doesn't. That's not 589 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: talking about the other friends behind their back. That's you 590 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 3: really trying to understand what the grievances are. And I 591 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: generally love the feeling that when you're talking to people, 592 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 3: even if it's people you oppose ideologically or what have you, 593 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: if you can give them a couple of points, you're 594 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: going to advance the conversation. They're going to like you more, 595 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: are they gonna trust you more, and you could make 596 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: inroads with them better, as opposed to just being like, well, 597 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: I disagree, well you did the you cheated with her boyfriend. 598 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: You're terrible. Like maybe it's more like why why would 599 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: you do that? Like what was it? 600 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: What? 601 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: What made you? 602 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: You know? 603 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: Like inquisitive without judgment, I think is the way to 604 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: handle it. 605 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: Love. 606 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, love, thank you. 607 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 5: I had a second question or a question. So I 608 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 5: have a friend that I go to college with. He's 609 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: been you know, he's very involved. He's a geopolitician, you know, 610 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 5: but he's also a liberal. He has been criticizing me 611 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 5: for my support of Israel, and he's been bringing up 612 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 5: history lessons such as the USS liberty, the USS liberty, 613 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 5: I believe attack, yeah happened, And told him, like, why 614 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 5: are we supporting Israel? Literally they're trying to take out 615 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 5: Iran and then including with trying to control Gaza and 616 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 5: trying to and you know they're attacked back on Gaza 617 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 5: after what God Hamas did to Israel. And I told him, 618 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 5: you know, I disagreed with him, but then all of 619 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 5: a sudden, how can I you know, and we could 620 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 5: have civil conversation. But when it comes to when it 621 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 5: comes to trying to criticize Israel or try to like 622 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 5: be soft on the issue. But then when it comes 623 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: to Hamas like he tries to justify, not justify it, 624 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 5: but like be light about it. 625 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 3: Should go read the Moss Charter and your argument is 626 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: going to get a lot better. I think you should 627 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: do what we used to do in the law, which 628 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: is the best way to argue your side is to 629 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: prepare the other sides first, Like go go study what 630 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: it is about the anti Israel side that that he's 631 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: attracted to that you think is powerful when he makes points, 632 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: learn it, understand it, and then go back and start 633 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: it and study the pro Israel side and you'll be 634 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: much better equipped to have these arts and maybe you'll 635 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: change your mind somewhat too. That's fine too, But honestly, 636 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: you have to be very careful about the media on 637 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: Israel because there are manipulations both ways. It's very heavy 638 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: propaganda game here. I trust real clear politics. I go 639 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: there every morning and they'll have op eds from both 640 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: the left and the right, including on Israel, and that's 641 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: one place that won't corrupt your beautiful mind. So maybe 642 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 3: start there. 643 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's raising a good point about the moral 644 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: inconsistencies that are applied to Hamas versus Israel. Israel has 645 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: definitely held to a much higher standard, I would say 646 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: then than Hamas, and that's because specifically on the left, 647 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: because they look at the world through an oppress or 648 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: appressed lens, and so if they qualify you as the oppressed, 649 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: then basically you can do whatever you want and you're 650 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: not guilty of anything. 651 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 652 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: Hi, Megan, my name's Ashley, and I just want to 653 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. 654 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: I have a quick question, what cultural issue do you 655 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: think conservatives should be talking about more? 656 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: But we just aren't. 657 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: Well, I hate to say it, given what's happening this week. 658 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 3: But pot marijuana, Amen, I really do I think like this. 659 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: I'm totally against like making it more accessible. And I 660 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 3: understand Trump is trying to make it allegedly more more 661 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: accessible for people who need it for medical purposes. But 662 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: today's pot is not the pot that we were up 663 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: with back in the eighties. Though I've never tried pot, 664 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 3: do you believe it? Yeah, never tried a drug of 665 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: any kind of other than alcohol. 666 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: There we go, we're either the body nor the mind. Yeah, 667 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: but it was actually I was you do it? No, 668 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: I was. I was on a basketball party one of 669 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: those again, and and uh, totally I went total paranoid. Yeah, 670 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: I hate it. That doesn't sound it was terrible, terrible experience. 671 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: Well, I do think marijuana is like going to it's 672 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: already posing a serious problem. And one of the things 673 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up 674 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: over and over and it comes up. You probably haven't 675 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 3: even heard that because it's like a footnote to the reporting. 676 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: Nobody's like giving that credence as possibly one of the 677 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: factors playing in And they should just read Alex Berenson 678 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: and what's in today's marijuana. 679 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: Was here today debating why he's against weed. And actually, 680 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: anytime with this debate would come up, we'd bring Alex 681 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: Barnson on. 682 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: He's phenomenal on this as always turning points ahead of curve. 683 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: They're on it for you. But yeah, that would be 684 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: my answer. 685 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. No. And by the way, even with the story 686 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigg's assassin of Charlie alleged, 687 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if I'm legally supposed to 688 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: do whatever he did it. But the point is, you 689 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: know they were just sitting around an apartment like vaping THHC, 690 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: just constantly, just and so you imagine how the potency 691 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: of it and the the psych what do you call it, 692 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: the psychosis, Yeah, psychotropic effects of THHC and that high dosages. 693 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and if you're young and you're using a 694 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,479 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of weed, it can really impact 695 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. It can really lead to 696 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: some very terrible things. So I love that answer. 697 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 3: Look at those videos of that Ascension school shooter. The 698 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 3: most disturbing things I saw this year, those awful, awful 699 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: you know this school in Minneapolis where this shooter killed 700 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: children going to their their Christian School into the church, 701 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: and he's showing all all these demons in his photos. 702 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: He sees himself as a demons giggling to him everyone 703 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: he's smoking weed. In every video he's smoking weed, and 704 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: it's like no one talked about it, like Okay, it's sup. 705 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: It's just like a like half a glass of shiblee, 706 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 3: which it's not. 707 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a I'm a complete believer that when 708 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: you use hard drugs or maybe just a lot of THHC, 709 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: which is a hard drug, actually when it's at those dosages, 710 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: that it's a highway to hell, that it opens you 711 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: up to dark forces because you lose control of the 712 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: things that God gave you to control your mind and 713 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: your heart and to keep bad things out. 714 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: I want of the thing. The guy who started the 715 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: psychedelics clinic at Johns Hopkins University and was the godfather 716 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: of psychedelics, all this other MDNNA and all the stuff 717 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: that people take. Ketamine, he told me in an interview. 718 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 3: We did that if you if there's any history of 719 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: schizophrenia in your family, any and it can go way 720 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 3: back and we don't know, and you go in even 721 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: in a controlled setting, which she said is the only 722 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 3: way you should ever do one of those drugs. Some 723 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: people do it for cancer depression. You know, there are reasons, 724 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 3: there are good reasons to try it. You can have 725 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 3: a psychotic break from which you never return. Yeah, you 726 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 3: never return. It's very dangerous what these people are playing with. 727 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 3: And that Lance Twigs like I think that one of 728 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: the reports was that he had mushrooms in. 729 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: There, d off black market HRT hormone replacement therapy. 730 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 3: The guy was all of that must be looked into. 731 00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well this was uplifting. Megan Kelly. Give it up 732 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: for Maggie Kelly, everybody. 733 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me, Thank you. 734 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: For having me. 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