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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seegers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this very timely question.

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Speaker 1: What can we learn as moms from the moms of

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Speaker 1: the Bible. In a world that measures motherhood by pinterrant, feeds, pressure,

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Speaker 1: and perfection, God tells a very different story, one marked

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Speaker 1: by courage, surrender, and quiet faithfulness. The pages of Scripture

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Speaker 1: are filled with women who wrestled, who wept and waited

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Speaker 1: and worshiped, and through them God shaped generations. Our Holy

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Speaker 1: book has a lot to say about mothering. Unlike our culture,

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Speaker 1: Scripture actually honors the sacred work that we do and

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Speaker 1: the women who do it. My guest today, Rhonda Stoppi,

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Speaker 1: is the author of a brand new book, Moms of

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Speaker 1: the Bible. In it, Rhonda tackles the fearless moms, the

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Speaker 1: flawed moms, and the faithful moms. And she even tackles

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Speaker 1: the moms that no one notices. And what she shares

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Speaker 1: with us today will bless your mother's heart. So, whether

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Speaker 1: you feel unseen, overwhelmed, or simply hungry for encouragement. This

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Speaker 1: conversation will remind you God sees you, He values your calling,

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Speaker 1: and He is at work in your motherhood in ways

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Speaker 1: that you may not yet see. Happy Mother's date. All

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Speaker 1: the mom is out there today. We are celebrating who

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Speaker 1: you are and what you do. That's the ground we

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Speaker 1: will cover in this episode of Christian Parent Crazy World.

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Speaker 1: Other Hood is a particular passion of mine. One of

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Speaker 1: these days, I'm going to write that book on motherhood.

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Speaker 1: But until then, I am deeply grateful for the women

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Speaker 1: out there already filling up that corner of the bookshelf,

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Speaker 1: especially those seasoned, faithful voices, grandmothers in the faith who

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Speaker 1: reach back and pull the next generation forward. We need that,

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Speaker 1: like we really need that, and no one champions that

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Speaker 1: vision more beautifully than my guest today, Ronda Stoppy, a

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Speaker 1: best selling author and host of the award winning podcast

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Speaker 1: Old Ladies Know Stuff. I love that title. Ronda brings

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Speaker 1: wisdom that's been lived, tested and proven over time. You're

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Speaker 1: going to get to know all about Ronda in our conversation,

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Speaker 1: because today Ronda is going to guide us into this

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Speaker 1: rich and refreshing message based off of her brand new book,

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Speaker 1: Moms of the Bible, Life changing Lessons from the Fearless,

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Speaker 1: flawed and Faithful. And as she does, I know you

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Speaker 1: are going to find yourself not only encouraged, but re energized,

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Speaker 1: maybe even a little in awe of the calling that

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Speaker 1: God has placed right in your hands and in your homes.

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Speaker 1: One final note has so often happens in my conversations

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Speaker 1: with my guests. Ronda and I wrapped up the show

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Speaker 1: and continued talking, and part of that conversation was just

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Speaker 1: too good not to air. It has to do with

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Speaker 1: a mother in the Bible that no one talks about

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Speaker 1: in terms of her mothering because she was very abusive.

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Speaker 1: And what Ronda gleans from that story is going to

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Speaker 1: be a soothing balm to anyone who has suffered under

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Speaker 1: the hands of an abusive mother or father for that matter.

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Speaker 1: So please stick around after we close out the official

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Speaker 1: interview for that post interview conversation. So with that said,

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Speaker 1: let's jump right in. Brenda, Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy

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Speaker 1: World for this special Mother's Day edition of the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I could have a more perfect guest

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Speaker 1: to be here to speak to us today. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to have you here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so honored and excited to finally be on your show.

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Speaker 2: I followed you for years and I'm like, I'm finally

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Speaker 2: going to be on this show. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that we've been talking for

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Speaker 1: a bit. That just blesses my heart that you've been

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Speaker 1: following the show and what we do here. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I was looking at your book and I'm like, it's

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Speaker 1: one of those kind of like that. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of authors out there are going, why didn't Why

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Speaker 1: didn't I think to do that? To write a book

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Speaker 1: that you did. Got obviously you're the one that got

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Speaker 1: what was it that stirred inside of you to want

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Speaker 1: to write this book that frankly has been a gaping

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Speaker 2: To do this? So I have a book out called

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Speaker 2: Moms Raising Sons to be Men? Yes, And I saw

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. It was focused on the family's best of episodes.

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Speaker 2: So the book was just selling like crazy. So Harvest

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Speaker 2: House came back in twenty twenty three and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: in the ten year anniversary edition. It was written in

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Speaker 2: three sections, and the first section was Moms of the

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Speaker 2: Bible Simple. And then after the book was written and

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Speaker 2: I would be interviewed for this book, everyone kept saying,

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Speaker 2: can we talk about the section Moms of the Bible?

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Speaker 2: This is amazing? What so you like? Look up moms

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Speaker 2: in the Bible? Book title?

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Speaker 2: Where is it? Oh my gosh, I think you got

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Speaker 2: the bad moms of the Bible or bad women of

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Speaker 2: And one of my favorite books from John MacArthur is

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Speaker 2: Twelve Extraordinary Women. I love that book and it's just

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Speaker 2: women in scripture, and I was like, where's the mom one?

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Speaker 2: So I literally went to Harvest House is my publisher.

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Speaker 2: I cannot say enough about how much I love Harvest House.

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Speaker 2: They are so committed to publishing books that are sound

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Speaker 2: in doctrine. And when I first signed with them in

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Speaker 2: to just so appreciate. They won't publish a book if

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Speaker 2: it's not sound doctrine, and they've lost money on big

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Speaker 2: out for Harvest House publishers. If you're looking for books

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Speaker 2: that are sound, you can trust them. So I went

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Speaker 2: to their sixtieth anniversary party with my husband and I

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Speaker 2: met with my editor and his wife and I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: I did put it down. Every mom just jumped off

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Speaker 2: this book's for you. I said, Nana's going to be

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Speaker 2: be needing a mommy mentor. And I said, I wrote

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Speaker 2: And that's the heart of this book is you know.

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Speaker 2: My podcast is called Old Ladies No Stuff. It's not

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Speaker 2: titest to women, right.

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Speaker 2: and I am like, Mada, care, you look amazing by

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Speaker 2: not writing books.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking grandkids. I knew that how many? How

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Speaker 2: in youth ministry for eighteen years. He just retired as

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Speaker 1: That so speaks to me right where I am, because

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Speaker 1: my regular listeners know we're in the middle of the same,

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Speaker 1: the same journey right now. We wanted desperately to stay

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Speaker 1: part of that was because I prayed. There were two

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Speaker 1: the one where we are, and he did. They ghosted

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Speaker 1: my husband, like We've gone through two sets of interviews.

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Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes God does lead us, and that

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Speaker 1: just segues so beautifully into this incredible book you wrote.

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Speaker 1: And there was one mom and particularly that came to

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Speaker 1: And honestly, that's the book I want to write. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on it.

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Speaker 2: I will introduce you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please, I've been working on it for years. But

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Speaker 2: So this is the hole.

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Speaker 1: This is our whole life. This is the whole every season,

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Speaker 2: Sure, what I loved about as I discovered the stories

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Speaker 2: And so when you know I left California, everybody now

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Speaker 2: you are. And God says in scripture, you thought I

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Speaker 2: And Jesus commands us the protos, the religious leaders of

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Speaker 2: And so let's start with Mary. God goes to this

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Speaker 2: having relations, or even just right up to the line,

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Speaker 2: all those things with someone, you are in sin and

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Speaker 2: you are quenching the Holy Spirit in your life. And

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Speaker 2: you cannot be led by the spirit. That young adult woman,

435
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Speaker 2: that single mom who's like I've been I'm not a virgin.

436
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Speaker 2: It's not that big of a deal. The bottom line

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Speaker 2: is this. You want to choose someone that's going to

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Speaker 2: help you walk your walk with Christ. It's going to

439
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Speaker 2: lead you spiritually, that's going to help you raise children

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Speaker 2: in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. And this

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Speaker 2: is the conversation I had with my teens in youth

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Speaker 2: ministry with my own children. If you are in a

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Speaker 2: relationship with someone and you have gone past what God

444
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Speaker 2: has called us to for purity, you're not walking in

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Speaker 2: the spirit. You're being led by your emotions and your

446
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Speaker 2: best bet is all you've got for If this person

447
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Speaker 2: is someone that's going to be a good spouse for you,

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Speaker 2: you have forfeited the wisdom and discernment of the Spirit

449
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Speaker 2: of the Most High God to lead you into a

450
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Speaker 2: relationship that's going to be exactly what you need for

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Speaker 2: the rest of your life. You're forfeiting that because you're

452
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Speaker 2: choosing to walk in your own wisdom and your own

453
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Speaker 2: emotions will lie to you. So I know we're not

454
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Speaker 2: even supposed to that's not even on the table of

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Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about. But I know that

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Speaker 2: you have a lot of moms, and honestly, we have

457
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Speaker 2: to equip our kids. You can't say, don't just do it,

458
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Speaker 2: just don't do it right. Give them the why, and

459
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Speaker 2: the why matters. I've been in ministry for years. I've

460
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Speaker 2: talked with women that said, I never would have married

461
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Speaker 2: this guy if we hadn't started having sex before marriage.

462
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Speaker 2: I felt guilty. I felt like the way to make

463
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Speaker 2: it right was to get married. You're not being spirit

464
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Speaker 2: led and you're going to choose someone not based on

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Speaker 2: being led by the spirit of the Most High God.

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Speaker 1: That is so so important. If you're blessed to have

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Speaker 1: godly parents, and I'm assuming that the people that tune

468
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Speaker 1: into my show want to be a godly parent, so

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Speaker 1: we need to be a part of the process of

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Speaker 1: helping our children understand if they're making a wise choice

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Speaker 1: and who to marry, you know, like with Mary who

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Speaker 1: were just talking about her parents made that decision for her.

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Speaker 1: That's how that culture works. We don't work that way. Now.

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Speaker 1: I've joked with my kids, Hey, that's what we're going

475
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Speaker 1: to do in our family. Of course we're not, but

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. I know that always gets a good

477
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Speaker 1: reaction out of it, and that's how we're going to operate.

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Speaker 2: Don't make me choose your spouse for you.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. My husband is one of his

480
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Speaker 1: best friends in the industry is in He's from India

481
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Speaker 1: and he is a Christian and his parents arranged his

482
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Speaker 1: marriage and it's you know, you don't too many people

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Speaker 1: that that is their circumstance in life, and actually it's

484
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Speaker 1: worked out. There were things to work through. It was

485
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Speaker 1: very different than what all of their friends were experiencing

486
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Speaker 1: in marriage who chose their own spouse. But they've actually

487
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Speaker 1: had a very successful marriage. I'm not advocating for that.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's an interesting little tidbit that it

489
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Speaker 1: does still exist, and even in some Christian circles, because

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Speaker 1: that culture does operate that way. But I can remember

491
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Speaker 1: when I met my husband, I was in graduate school

492
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Speaker 1: and we were living in another state than both of

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Speaker 1: our sets of parents, so we had to make a

494
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Speaker 1: big trip to go and introduce each other to our parents,

495
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Speaker 1: and that was a big deal. And having that blessing

496
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Speaker 1: his parents are strong godly believers. I'm so blessed to

497
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Speaker 1: have godly in laws and my parents are strong godly believers,

498
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Speaker 1: And so their approval of this, their blessing of it,

499
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Speaker 1: and their excitement for it was critical in that decision

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Speaker 1: for us, and that I would hope our children can

501
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Speaker 1: become adults and make their own decisions, you know, and

502
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Speaker 1: we've all experienced many of us have experienced the ramifications

503
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Speaker 1: of that in our parenting. But hopefully we have those

504
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Speaker 1: open lines of communication and we're we're not just setting

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Speaker 1: them out there on their own. We're an active participant

506
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Speaker 1: in that and having those critical conversations where is it

507
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Speaker 1: and is it Ecclesiastes or Proverbs or it says do

508
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Speaker 1: not do not ignite love before it's time. That's not

509
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Speaker 1: the exact wording. I've had that conversation with my kids.

510
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Speaker 1: Like even little things, let's I don't know why, I

511
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Speaker 1: guess the Holy Spirit is leading us here, but even

512
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Speaker 1: little things like when you're a teenager saying you're in

513
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Speaker 1: love with someone, I love you like this is where

514
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Speaker 1: are you ready for?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 1: That ignites the way you're speaking to that other person.

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Speaker 1: If you're talking about them being in love with them

518
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Speaker 1: and you're kind of making long distance plans and you're

519
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Speaker 1: not you're years off and really being able to consummate

520
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Speaker 1: any of those plans, even if you're hoping to do

521
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Speaker 1: it in the right way to get married first and

522
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Speaker 1: all that. We need to make sure we're helping our

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Speaker 1: children in those relationships not to be in a stage

524
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Speaker 1: that they're not ready for. What you were talking about

525
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Speaker 1: was a physical stage, but we need It really starts

526
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Speaker 1: in the mind and that mental stage and that heart

527
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Speaker 1: stage that I and I've had to have this conversation

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Speaker 1: with one of my kids who had someone she was

529
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Speaker 1: very interested in, and they started using language using the

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Speaker 1: word love, and I'm like, you're not ready for this,

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Speaker 1: you're too young for this, and we've had to try

532
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Speaker 1: to back away. But once the horse is out the barn,

533
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Speaker 1: it's very hard, whether it's physically or emotionally, and as parents,

534
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Speaker 1: we really need to be having these very honest conversations

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Speaker 1: with our kids. About their emotional connections and about their

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Speaker 1: physical connections. And we got all the way here from Mary.

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Speaker 1: Can you think of some other moms before we go?

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Speaker 2: Let's see. I have a book called Real Life Romance

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Speaker 2: that I wrote for Harvest House. It is standalone love stories,

540
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Speaker 2: kind of like your chicken soup for the soul feel.

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Speaker 2: Each story stands on mine and Steve's love stories. The

542
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Speaker 2: very first one in the book. The last four love

543
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: stories of the book are my kids love stories. And

544
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Speaker 2: there's just an amazing love stories that are filtered through

545
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Speaker 2: each one. And I thought I was writing the book

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Speaker 2: to help couples rekindle romance in their marriage. Stephen I

547
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Speaker 2: had written a book called The Marriage mentor Becoming the

548
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: Couple You Long to Be, and I'm like, this will

549
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: be just rekindling. But as I wrote it, it was like,

550
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Speaker 2: this is a book about honoring God and waiting on

551
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Speaker 2: Him to help you choose your spouse. And the love

552
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: stories are just phenomenal. And it's an older teen, young adult.

553
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Speaker 2: It's good for you know, any woman of any age.

554
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Speaker 2: It's just such great. You know, Hallmark movies forget it.

555
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: Read this book. It's so great, Ladies.

556
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Speaker 1: The advice in all Hallmark Viffy legit a divorce court,

557
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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: And again in that book, it's celebrating the sovereignty and

559
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Speaker 2: providence of God knitting two hearts to the other for

560
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Speaker 2: his kingdom purpose. But it's not like borings. It's like

561
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Speaker 2: they're some awesome love stories. So you want to know

562
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Speaker 2: that your kids are equipped. They may still follow the

563
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Speaker 2: world's plan for how they pursue a spouse, but you

564
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Speaker 2: do the work, You have the conversations from the time

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Speaker 2: that they're young, because if you don't, Siri will gladly

566
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Speaker 2: give them the information. Alexa Google will gladly fill them

567
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Speaker 2: in on how to find a spouse. So we're gonna stop,

568
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Speaker 2: We're gonna put a blocking that we're gonna move on

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Speaker 2: to another mom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you've got so you've divided it into three sections.

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Speaker 1: You've got the fearless moms, You've got the flawed moms,

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Speaker 1: and the faithful moms. And so we talked about Mary

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Why don't we dig into one of

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Speaker 1: these flawed moms and some of the lessons that we

575
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Speaker 1: can learn from that. Which one really stood out to

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Speaker 1: you the most.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple. But since we were talking about

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Speaker 2: Since we were talking about betrothed, you know, parents choosing

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Speaker 2: a spouse, Let's talk about Rebecca. Because Abraham sent his

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Speaker 2: servant to go find a wife for Isaac, right, And

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Speaker 2: so Isaac is waiting at home and the servant goes

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Speaker 2: and it's a great story. He finds, you know. He says, okay, Lord,

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Speaker 2: the one who offers me water and then offers to

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Speaker 2: water my camels, she's going to be the one. And

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Speaker 2: here she comes, Rebecca, and she does that very thing,

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Speaker 2: and so he puts bracelets on her, puts a ring

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Speaker 2: in her nose. Y'all think that pierce in your nose

588
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Speaker 2: was your idea? It wasn't, y'all?

589
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Speaker 1: Cool like that go way way back.

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Speaker 2: So he goes to her father and he says, this

591
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Speaker 2: is who I am, and Abraham is my I'm his

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Speaker 2: servant and he sent me to find a wife. And

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Speaker 2: Rebecca is left the choice. The dad's like, do you

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Speaker 2: want to go? And this fearless woman, fearless faith, says, y'all,

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Speaker 2: i'll go. She doesn't know this guy, she doesn't know

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Speaker 2: this land, and so she does. She goes with him,

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Speaker 2: and she sees Isaac from afar off and she covers

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Speaker 2: her face with a veils at him. That's him. Okay,

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Speaker 2: She covers her face and they get married and you know,

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Speaker 2: happily ever after whatever. She gets pregnant with twins and

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Speaker 2: she has Jacob and Esaw in her womb, you know,

602
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Speaker 2: wrestling around. She's like, what is happening inside of my body?

603
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Speaker 2: And God tells Rebecca there's twins in there, and the

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Speaker 2: older is going to serve the younger. So this fearless

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Speaker 2: woman of faith has this new piece of information and

606
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Speaker 2: her boys are born, and she's super close to Jacob.

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Speaker 2: He works in the kitchen with her. They have a

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Speaker 2: lot in common, so they spend a lot of time together.

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Speaker 2: Esa he's the hunter gatherer. He goes out and hunts,

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Speaker 2: and he's rugged and all those things. But Jacob and

611
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Speaker 2: her are buddies, which I get. My son Brandon and

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Speaker 2: I we were so incredibly close till he hit puberty

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Speaker 2: and he started pushing me away, which that's in my book.

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Speaker 2: Mom's raising sons to be men. You are the hill

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Speaker 2: to die on those adolescent boys. They don't want to

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Speaker 2: be a mama's boy, so they start pushing you away.

617
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Speaker 2: Do not control them. That's control freaks. Raise freaks. That's

618
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Speaker 2: another conversation. So here comes the day when it's time

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Speaker 2: that Isaac is going to give the birthright to Esau.

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Speaker 2: She goes, who whoa, whoa, whoa. Hang on, hang on, now,

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Speaker 2: I know what God told me. God told me that

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Speaker 2: the older was going to serve the younger. But here's

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Speaker 2: where she blows it.

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00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: who whoa, whoa, whoa. Hang on, Hey, hang on, now,

645
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Speaker 2: I know what God told me. God told me that

646
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: the older was going to serve the younger. But here's

647
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: where she blows it. She doesn't look to God to say, hey, God,

648
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: will you work this out? I know you gave me

649
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: that word. I need to wait for you to make

650
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: it happen. And this is where we're flawed as moms.

651
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: We see our kids, we see where they excel, we

652
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: see where they're good at something. We have a glimpse

653
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: of what we think God might do in and through

654
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: their life because of their talent, their intelligence, their whatever,

655
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: and then we go about making it happen. We pull strings,

656
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: we manipulate, we push right, we do all the things.

657
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: That's what she does. Hey, Jacob, I got a plan.

658
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: Your brother's hunting for some food for your dad. But

659
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a stew that tastes just like that.

660
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: I want you to pretend that you're your brother. Your

661
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: dad's gonna bless you instead of Esau. And Jacob even questions, Mom,

662
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: what if dad figures this out. She's like, it'll be

663
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: on me. Just it's the right thing to do. Go

664
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Speaker 2: do it, and Jacob does. Jacob's name means trickster, so

665
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it was too much for him to

666
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: fall into. Going okay, Mom, sounds good, and all of

667
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: us know that story. Yeah, as soon as he's done

668
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: blessing him, Esau walks in and he goes, what have

669
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: you done? So that chapter literally starts with Esau saying

670
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna kill him. And what

671
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: does Rebecca do? Go he is gonna kill you, Go

672
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: to my brother, Get out of here. You can come

673
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: back when he settles down, but go get out of here.

674
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Of course, we know the story that Jacob leaves, he

675
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: ends up with Laban, he marries two of the Laban's daughters.

676
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: He doesn't come back until Most historians think that Rebecca

677
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: wasn't even alive by the time he comes back. She

678
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: never even got to bounce Jacob's little babies on her knee,

679
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: She never got to meet his wives. It cost her dearly.

680
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: God had a plan, and God would work out that plan.

681
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: But because she jumped in to be manipulative to help

682
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: God with do something that she had a glimpse of,

683
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: and that was the flaw in her faith. But here's

684
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: the other thing. She favored Jacob. She favored him his

685
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: whole life, and that caused a vision between Jacob and Esau.

686
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: When we favor one of our children, it is destructive.

687
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: Sibling rivalry ensues and then it gets passed down to

688
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: the next generation. Jacob, whose God changes his name to Israel,

689
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: does the exact same thing in his own family. He

690
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: favors Joseph, he gives them the coat of many colors,

691
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: and what happens, his brothers hate him and want to

692
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: kill him. And he literally follows the example that he

693
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: saw and his own mother that caused chaos in their family.

694
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: He does the exact same thing. So that chapter is

695
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: about sibling rivalry. It is about not favoring one child

696
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: over another. And if we do, how we have to

697
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: come to the Lord and ask him to forgive us,

698
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: and we have to change our ways, and we have

699
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: to you know, not sin in that. Sometimes it's because

700
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: that kid so much like us and they think like us,

701
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: so we are real close to them. Sometimes they're so

702
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: much like us, we don't want anything to do with

703
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: them because they're so much like us, so we fight

704
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: all the time. Whatever it is. I want each of

705
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: my kids and now my fifteen grandkids, I want each

706
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: of them to think that they were my favorite. I

707
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: want to treat each of them as a favorite, so

708
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: that at my deathbed. We just buried my son in

709
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: law's father, who we called him Papo. We just had

710
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: his funeral last week, and all of those grandkids would

711
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: say that Papo thought that he was that they were

712
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: his favorite. What a gift we give our kids. In

713
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: that chapter, I also talk about my parents were teenagers.

714
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: My mom was seventeen when I was born. She had

715
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: my sister right before me. My mom favored me. We

716
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: were alike. We enjoyed each other's company. My sister and

717
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: my mom thought all the time. My mom would not

718
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: invite my sister to go shopping with us because my

719
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: sister would be like, why I don't want to go

720
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: with you, and my sister and I were only fourteen

721
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: months apart. We had the same friends. We were cheerleaders together.

722
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: We even dated brothers for a time, and my sister

723
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: and I were close. I was her only friend. My

724
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: sister was a multi millionaire film producer later in life,

725
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: and she would say, you're my only friend. Friend is

726
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: the F word because people want money and I know

727
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: you don't want my money, which was broke my heart

728
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: for her. But in the same token, my sister was

729
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: the mean girl in my life. She was so mean

730
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: to me. She would find ways to embarrass me in public.

731
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: She would undermine me, and I never understood it until

732
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: we both came to realize that that competition was because

733
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: my mom favored me over her. My sister passed away

734
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. In fact, she died of an overdose,

735
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: and I'm still I haven't recovered from that life. But

736
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: the reality of that story is favoritism always is going

737
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: to breed sibling rivalry among our children. And we have

738
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: to repent before the Lord if we're doing that, and

739
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: we have to change, and if you need to get

740
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: a godly mentor in your life, because guess what other

741
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: people watching you parent can pretty much pick up on

742
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: if you favor one of your kids over the others.

743
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: Ask them, if you see that, will you challenge me?

744
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: Because I've got to change this and I know it's

745
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: wrong and it's become such a habit. I don't know

746
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: how to break it, but I need help. So find

747
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: an older woman because old ladies know stuff, and ask

748
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: them to help you change so that you love all

749
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: of your children. And how do we love our kids

750
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: equally with God selfless agape love. It goes back to

751
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: what we talked about at the beginning, falling in love

752
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: with God with our heart, soul, mind, and strength, our

753
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: whole being. Now washing my mind with the water of

754
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: the word, seeking him in scripture, spending time memorizing scripture,

755
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: and that will prove his love will now spill out

756
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: because the Bible says God is not a respector of persons.

757
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: If he doesn't show partiality, he can give us the

758
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: ability not to show partiality to our own children as well.

759
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: That is so good.

760
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think in the five years I've done

761
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: this show that we've ever stumbled across the topic of favoritism.

762
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: That's huge, and scripture has a lot to say about that.

763
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: It really does. And when you were talking, I was thinking,

764
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: She's not the first mom that really tried to manipulate.

765
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: You could go back to Sarah who tried to manipulate

766
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: in order to get the promised child because she didn't

767
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: think it was going to happen through her, so she

768
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: got her maid servant, her slave, Hagar. And so look

769
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: at we're Those two brothers are still fighting today. Like today,

770
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years later, those two brothers are

771
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: still fighting. So the serious ramifications of trying to go

772
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: around God to fulfill his plans and purposes is huge.

773
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: Some of us know those things that God placed in

774
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: our heart, those dreams, those desires, but we have to

775
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: fulfill them his way and in his timing, and we

776
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: have so much even these flawed moms I loved. I'm

777
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: just gonna tease this a little bit because I really

778
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: want to get to the section of the faithful moms,

779
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: but I want to tease this a little bit. Your

780
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: insights into Eve I thought were so good. They were

781
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: so so good. So I hope the listeners will go

782
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: and listen to your podcast because you talk about around there,

783
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: there's so much we can learn from Eve about isolating

784
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: ourselves and also not going back to the source and

785
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: not believing that God is good. Let me tell I'm

786
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna confess something here to you and

787
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: to my listeners. I've been walking with Lord for a long, long,

788
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: long time, and I love the Lord, but the enemy

789
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: really really through some circumstances that happened recently where God

790
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: his ways are higher than mine, but he did not

791
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: answer my prayers the way that I had hoped. I

792
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to this in some previous episodes, but

793
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: it was something doing with my kids, and it seriously

794
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: got me into this kind of eave place. Is God

795
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: really good and the enemy knows what's going to you know?

796
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: Even if you've been walking with the Lord for a

797
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: long time and I have, and I do trust him,

798
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: and I think it's okay to wrestle through these seasons.

799
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: You have to wrestle through it, and I think it's

800
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: okay to to really hash it out like God, I

801
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: just don't understand why this horrible thing had to happen,

802
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: but trusting that He is good, and that's how we

803
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: ended up with the fall and dealing with sin with

804
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve in the garden because that was the

805
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: temptation there from the enemy. You know, God's withholding something

806
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: from you. He's not really good. And I love this quote.

807
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: I think you had it in your your podcast. You

808
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: said you quote A. J. I. Packer. I think he

809
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: was he is the author of a book. Was it

810
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Knowing God? Was that the booky? And he said that

811
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: the phrase God is for me is the hinge on

812
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: which everything turns. And sometimes I think we just really

813
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: need to repeat that over and over and over. God

814
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: is for me. God is for me. This difficult situation

815
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: is hard, and it's hard for me to wrap my

816
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: head around why God allowed that thing and not have

817
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: caused it, but he allowed that thing. But really resting

818
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: in that and I it blessed me to go through

819
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: those episodes with you on your podcast to hear that.

820
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: But any thoughts you have on e that you want

821
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: to talk about, And then I would love to get

822
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: to a couple of the Frightful mom right.

823
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you I just went through a

824
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: very painful season. Also, there was someone that was on

825
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: my husband's staff that he had had let go because

826
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: of a sin. And I'm not at liberty to share

827
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: all of the details of it, but it got super

828
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: ugly and shocked shocked me. I can't even without revealing

829
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: what I should not reveal. Literally had to remind myself, God,

830
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: you see right, you're good? Right yeah? Because wow right, yes, yes, yea.

831
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: And what I will tell you is the good that

832
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: I have seen come from it my adult children, because

833
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Pastor's kids can go sideways when they see things happening

834
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: in ministry.

835
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: They see a lot.

836
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: Every single one of my adult children and their spouses

837
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: have said, Okay, then Lord, where do you want us

838
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: to serve you? Where do we want to go? Where

839
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: can we serve you? Not just where do we go

840
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: to church and show up on Sunday and go home

841
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: because we did the church thing, but we still want

842
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: to serve you. And where can we serve you? And

843
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: you know how many times as an older woman do

844
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: you get to see your kids say, even when it

845
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, you are good and we will serve you.

846
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: So Eve, well, real quick tell her storyverybody knows her story.

847
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. If you ask Eve, like, hey,

848
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: you think your God's gift to the world, she literally

849
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: could have said yes, I do, because I am I

850
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: am God to give to Adam and I know it.

851
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: And she ends up with this fruit. Satan starts teasing

852
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: her about the fruit and making her question God's goodness,

853
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: which is always where Satan gets us. And he's like

854
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: just a little taste, just a little nibble, just a

855
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: little bit, just a nibble, and that is where think about.

856
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: She ate of the fruit. She gives it to her husband.

857
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: God walks in the garden. Her husband, first time ever,

858
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: throws her under the bus. They have conflict. He says,

859
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: it's her fault. God, it's your fault. I'm talking fast

860
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: because we're going to run out of time and I

861
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: don't want to miss saying all this. Her older son

862
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: kills her, her son Kane kills her son Able at

863
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: some point, and she has to know that's because I

864
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 2: wanted a little bit more. I just wanted a nibble,

865
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: and she had to live with that regret. I'm the

866
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: No Regrets Woman. My website is no Regrets Woman dot

867
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: com because I help women break free from regrets that

868
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: hold them back. Sometimes we've done something so regretful and

869
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: we think, you know, it's cost us our marriage, it's

870
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: cost us whatever, the respect of our children, and God

871
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: can take those that have been have been forgiven much,

872
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: love much, and I love how Jesus said that. We

873
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: don't have time to talk about that. The first chapter

874
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: is about the shady Lady Rayhab and when those women

875
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: are forgiven much, they love much, and they are evangelists.

876
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: The woman at the well ran back to tell everybody

877
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm an evangelist at heart, and so I could spend

878
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: the rest of the time talking about that, but we

879
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: want to move on. So get the book. And I

880
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: will say this, If you don't want to buy the book,

881
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: you can do the audiobook in my voice, because I

882
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: know my audience is a thirty something soccer mom who

883
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Speaker 2: doesn't have time to read. I get you, Or just

884
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: go to my website, No Regrets Women dot com. Click

885
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: on Moms of the Bible book, scroll down. You can

886
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: watch videos of me teaching on each chapter. Those are free.

887
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: There's a QR code at the end of each chapter

888
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: that'll take you to those, but you can just watch

889
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: those if you can't. If you can't buy a book

890
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: right now, I get it. You can also get the

891
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Speaker 2: first chapter for free if you go to No Regretswoman

892
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: dot com and sign up for my newsletter, and I

893
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: promise you I will not inundate you with newsletters. I

894
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: don't have time to write them anymore than you have

895
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: time to read them. So you'll get the free chapter,

896
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Speaker 2: the first chapter for free. But let's real quick move

897
00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: on to the faithful moms. And I could talk about

898
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: so many of them, but I really want to skip too,

899
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: because we're going to run out of time. Let's see,

900
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to just I'll give you the highlight of

901
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: the faithful moms. How's that?

902
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: Yes?

903
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

904
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: And let's end with the Can we end with the

905
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: moms with no names?

906
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: Yes? For sure, that's where we're head please, because I

907
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: think we all feel like that.

908
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: Yes.

909
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: So Naomi her story. I thought it was going to

910
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: be about mentoring. It's not. It's about living through the

911
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: most tragic loss as a woman could ever endure. Her

912
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: husband died, her son's married, Moabi women, her daughters were infertile.

913
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: I have eight grand babies in heaven. I understand that loss.

914
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: Then her sons die, and finally Naomi's like, I'm going back.

915
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm going back to my people and back to my God.

916
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: And that is when Ruth follows her and says, your

917
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: God will be my God. Your people will be my people.

918
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Ruth makes her covenant to the God of Israel and

919
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: rejects the God of Moab after she has watched Naomi

920
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: walk through the deepest trials of life. Sometimes your trial

921
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: is not about you. Sometimes it valid dates your testimony

922
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: to your children, your grandchildren, to those that are watching.

923
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: Lois and Eunice. I'm a grandma, so I love their

924
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: story how they impacted Timothy Hannah's despair over infertility. That

925
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: chapter talks all about mean girls Panine, the other wife,

926
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: the sister wife that she had, how mean she was

927
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: to her, and how she continued to trust God.

928
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I loved your podcast on that too. You did a

929
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: whole podcast on that. I listened to that. There the

930
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: insights into her story I thought were just really, really great,

931
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: because we all have experienced that with some people. They're

932
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: mean girls out there who need some Jesus in their life,

933
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: but until they get Jesus, they can be pretty darn mean.

934
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: And we have that example in Scripture of the Injustice.

935
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: Not only that, but what you also, I just want

936
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: to point this out very quickly, when you're hurt by

937
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: your leaders, your Christian leaders, because she was so misjudged.

938
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Eli thought that she was drunk in the church and

939
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: misjudged her. And you go through all of that, and

940
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: yet she remained humble and beautiful and God completely blesses

941
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: her with this child who she agrees to give back

942
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: to God. And then you go through the whole section

943
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: of what she had to do every year. You know,

944
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: he she left him there?

945
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: How old was he when Samuel culturally, how long it

946
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: takes to stop nursing, I don't look nurse himil he

947
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: was seven, but just to.

948
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Give him around her dunkyar oreo. But so she she

949
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: gives him back. And anyways, walking through all of that,

950
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: just the lessons that we could learn.

951
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: But she faithfully keeps her covenant to God and she

952
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: gives him to Eli, who raised some rasks. So she's

953
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: not even given him to a big guy.

954
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: He did not have a great track record.

955
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but what faith in God? So the last

956
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: one is faithful. Mom's with no names. Think about David's mom.

957
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: David's mom is never mentioned. Her name is never mentioned

958
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: in scripture. She raised the apple of God's eye, the

959
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: man after God's own heart, the King of Israel, the

960
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: greatest King, and God does not give us her name.

961
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: There's some historians that think they know what her name

962
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: might have been. But that leads us to the moms

963
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: with no name. Think about this, who made the lunch,

964
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: the loaves and fishes that that little boy offered to

965
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: Probably his mama probably, but we don't know her name.

966
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: And I talk about in that chapter my son Tony,

967
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: who was a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. He

968
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: flew the F twenty two. We were on base. People

969
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: were saluting him like nobody's business. Nobody saluted me, Nobody

970
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: honored me and said good job, mama. Nobody, nobody. And

971
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: that's where we find ourselves with as moms with no name.

972
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: But here's what I want you to know that God

973
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 2: has called us. I'm gonna read this because I feel

974
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: like this really helps us understand it. This leads me

975
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: to the final unnamed mother I want to explore. I

976
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: don't know her name, but you do. She's you. My

977
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: heart is so filled with hope for the next generation

978
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: when I consider the influence you will have as you

979
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: raise your children in the nurture and at monition of

980
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: the Lord. The influence of unnamed mothers has shape nations

981
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: inspired leaders. I'm crying. I can't see nurtured artists and

982
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: motivated ordinary children to accomplish extraordinary achievements. Mom, this is

983
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: your God ordained time in history. This generation needs you

984
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: to selflessly embrace your blessed calling of motherhood to bring

985
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: up courageous and righteous children in the seemingly mundaneness of motherhood.

986
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: Please don't lose sight of the valuable investment you will

987
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: make in your children, your grandchildren, and future generations. This

988
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: is what God's called us to and it is not

989
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: just wiping boogers and bums all day long. He called

990
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: us to live out our faith in a way that

991
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: when we blow it, when we're a flawed mom, because

992
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: we will be that. That's the normal Christian life. Want

993
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: to serve the Lord, we want to obey him. And

994
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: when we mess up, our kids see it. In eighteen

995
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: years of youth ministry, seventy five percent of kids walked

996
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: away from the church, and the number one reason is

997
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: hypocrisy in their Christian homes. Let them see us be flawed,

998
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: and let them see us repent and ask forgiveness. Let

999
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: them see us forgive others, forgiving people, raise forgiving people

1000
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about Herodias. She was one of the

1001
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: flawed moms, but she was horrible. Think of a woman

1002
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: who tells her daughter ask for John the Baptists head

1003
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: on a platter, when her daughter had been offered up

1004
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: to half the kingdom. What an abusive mother. I don't

1005
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: have time to talk about that, but some of us

1006
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: were raised by an abusive mother. And sometimes it's letting

1007
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: go of that unforgiveness and bitterness that sets us free.

1008
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: Because forgiving people raise forgiving people. It doesn't mean that

1009
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: person didn't do you wrong. But leave them in God's hands.

1010
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: He says, vengeance is mine. I will repay the saith

1011
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: the Lord, whether he brings them to repentance and redemption

1012
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: or forgives them, it's not for you to worry about.

1013
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: Lay it at the foot of the cross and break

1014
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: free from that.

1015
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Amen. You know I alluded to the situation earlier that

1016
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: made me question God's goodness. It had to do with

1017
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: an abusive mom and had to do with that, and

1018
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: I so appreciate that you put that in there, that

1019
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: they do exist and that God can bring healing from

1020
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: that one thought I had on the moms with no names.

1021
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Holy Yeah, I'm so blessed. I'll brag on my son

1022
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: a little bit before I throw him under the bus.

1023
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: My son is about to graduate from high school. He

1024
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: wanted to go into theology. He's brilliant and smart and

1025
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: a bit of a procrastinator, but just such a great kid.

1026
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: I adore this kid, so super proud of him. But

1027
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: we sometimes we feel like we have a no name

1028
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: even amongst our own kids. I took him on the

1029
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: sixth college tour last fall to try to figure out

1030
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: where he wants to go to school. And some of

1031
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: the I had to map this thing out with my

1032
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: husband working three and a half flowers and work, and

1033
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: sometimes we're doing like overnight trips and and so we

1034
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: do that and we near it down, and he figures

1035
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: out the school he wants to go to, which is

1036
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: the furthest one away naturally, and you know we have

1037
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: to go. We have to arrange that and go there.

1038
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: And then we're like applying for scholarships that he has

1039
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: to go interview for in person. Meanwhile ending our classical

1040
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: Christian education with a senior thesis that's like twenty pages long.

1041
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: He wrote it on the unity of Scripture. It is amazing.

1042
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: It's really at least undergraduate, if not graduate level work.

1043
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: So proud of him. Just yesterday he had to get

1044
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: in front of a panel of judges and defend it.

1045
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: And so I'm like helping him though, like helping him

1046
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: all along the way. And I've been educating this kid

1047
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: since he's four. So we're going through the questions for

1048
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: the scholarship, this scholarship interview that he has, which by

1049
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: the way, we went to after he pitched a game,

1050
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: had to leave at ten thirty and it took us.

1051
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: We didn't get into town where he had the interview

1052
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: until like two am. But you know, I'm there every

1053
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: step of the way. One of the questions is who

1054
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: is your greatest spiritual mentor? And he's drawn blanks.

1055
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Like crickets, like he can't think of anybody, And I'm like, really,

1056
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: he can't think of anybody, like nobody, and I'm like, seriously,

1057
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: and then.

1058
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: He thinks of someone and it is not me. Sometimes

1059
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: you feel like the mom with no name because your

1060
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: kids don't. And I think maybe he's probably not at

1061
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: the phase of life to really recognize all that we've

1062
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: been doing now, because he truly is a great kid,

1063
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: and I'm super super proud of him, and he's like,

1064
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: when I asked him about it, he's like, well, that's

1065
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: a mentor. You're a mom, that's not the super ding.

1066
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't be the same there. Anyways, I

1067
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: just wanted to throw that out there, especially for the

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Speaker 1: moms that are just like going the extra mile drive

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Speaker 1: until two am. After going to watch your ball game,

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00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: which he pitched five brilliant innings, then went to the

1071
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: outfield and threw somebody out from centerfield to home plate.

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Speaker 1: Just want to brag a lot more. I'm so proud

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Speaker 1: of this kid. He's not my favorite, well he would

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: hopefully say he's my favorite, but you know, I love

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Speaker 1: what you talked about that. Make sure all of your

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00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: kids think that they are your favorite. Yeah, but anyways,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you feel like you don't have a name with

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00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: your own kids. They'll come around.

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Speaker 2: I just watched my grandkids. I had one of my

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00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: son and his wife lived with us for about three

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00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: or four months while we fixed up a house on

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Speaker 2: the ranch. They just moved up here. Literally nine of

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00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: my grandkids live on the ranch next to ours and

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00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: on our ranch now, so it's so fun. But they

1085
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 2: were homeschooling in our house, four of them very young,

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00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: and my daughter in law would start the day and

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00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: go down and do her thing and would I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: even come out of my bedroom till ten am because

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00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: it would as soon as that came out and interrupt

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Speaker 2: the flow.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: But my older daughter, Meredith is a teacher. She homeschools

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Speaker 2: her kids. She started a co op, a classical conversation school.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't drives Karas my oldest granddaughter drives everywhere. And

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00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: that was one of the questions at the school that

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00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: Karis goes to a school and they ask who's your

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00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: who's your hero, or who's your mentor something, and she

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00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: said my nana, which is so sweet. And she asked

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Speaker 2: me all my questions and I answered them all. But

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not driving you all over all your things.

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00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm not teaching you one little thing.

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Speaker 4: It's like, Mom, I know the award, I think, didn't

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00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 4: you say this in your podcast in the award for

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Speaker 4: the mom of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Goes to what's her name?

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Speaker 2: What's her name?

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00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, Mama, Anyways, I you know he did. Actually

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00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: at our we do classical conversations as well, and at

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00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: our end of the year celebration for all the seniors.

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Speaker 1: He said something very very touching about both his dad

1111
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: and me being the greatest influence in his life. I

1112
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: think he gets hung up on semantics. He thought a

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00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: mentor had to be someone out of the home or

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00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: something someone a little external anyways, But I just we

1115
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: all have those moments where we feel nameless. Sometimes we

1116
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: feel unappreciated by the ones and our own ome a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And yet what I love about your book

1118
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: is that God so appreciates the work, the menial, seemingly

1119
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: insignificant work that we have as parents. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: read this one scripture alluded to it earlier. Where is

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Speaker 1: it in my notes one Corinthians one twenty seven. But

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Speaker 1: God has chosen the foolish things of the world to

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Speaker 1: confound the wise. God has chosen the weak things of

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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: the world to confound the things which are mighty. And

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Speaker 1: it may seem in your own life, sometimes in your

1126
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: own home, that the work you're doing is menial, mundane, insignificant.

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00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: It may seem like a foolish thing or a weak thing,

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Speaker 1: certainly not an impressive thing. But God does just He

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Speaker 1: does not look at the work that we do, the

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Speaker 1: same way our culture does, the way the world does,

1131
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: the way sometimes our own families do. He He honors

1132
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Speaker 1: and revers it. I'd love to give you the final word.

1133
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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts you have on motherhood are the mom's

1134
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Speaker 1: Like I was a little curious which one surprised you

1135
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Speaker 1: the most. But anyways, take the final word and share

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Speaker 1: with us your final thoughts on motherhood.

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Speaker 2: Well, the forward of the book is called God's Calling

1138
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: for You as a mom, because we do get lost

1139
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Speaker 2: in it and we don't realize God hand picked us

1140
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Speaker 2: for this position as mom. However, you become a mom,

1141
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: and I think Esther's story as the step mom that

1142
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: influenced art Exerxes to have compassion on the Jewish people

1143
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: to go back into the land. I think that was

1144
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: a surprise for me. Yeah, yeah, so it says I'll

1145
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: be a better mom tomorrow, I whispered to myself before

1146
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: drifting off to sleep. But when tomorrow never came, mom

1147
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: guilt plagued my anguished soul. Being a fun, loving, good

1148
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: mom was what I hoped for, but in reality, I

1149
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: spent many days in survival mode, snapping at my kids

1150
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: when they spilled their milk and worrying over how we

1151
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: were going to pay for their extracurricular activities. I was you.

1152
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: I remember beating myself up. And that's when I looked

1153
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: to the moms of the kids in our youth ministry,

1154
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: the ones whose kids wanted to be with them, and

1155
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to know what they know. And

1156
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: these moms became my mentors. And they didn't just sit

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Speaker 2: down with me and give me a list. They invited

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Speaker 2: me to their old lady Bible studies. I'm like, I

1159
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: don't want to go. I want to go to a

1160
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Speaker 2: Bible study with a bunch of twenty year olds, not

1161
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of middle age and older. But what I

1162
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: found as I studied the Book of Philippians with these women,

1163
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: they were so honest about their successes and their failures

1164
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: and the wishes that they could do over. And I

1165
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: always say, I could write a letter to my younger self.

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00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't do anyone any good. But if I write

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00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: it in the form of a book, and God somehow

1168
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: puts it in your hands that you can learn from it.

1169
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Speaker 2: Oh the value in my successes and my failures, and

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Speaker 2: they're all weaved throughout this book. How God redeemed I

1171
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: had horrible postpartum after my third child, hormonal imbalances. There's

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Speaker 2: so many things that we could talk about, but in

1173
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Speaker 2: the end, being real in front of your kids and

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Speaker 2: finding godly mentors that help you discern when you're raising

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Speaker 2: your children for what other people think about you. That's

1176
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Speaker 2: a real danger with I just wrote an article for

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Speaker 2: Hip homeschool Moms and it was basically saying that don't

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Speaker 2: raise your kids for what people think of you. People

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Speaker 2: pleasing as not pleasing. That's raising your kids for your

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01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: own glory. You know what the co op thinks about you.

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01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: What curriculum are you choosing so that people will think

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Speaker 2: you're trying hard to be the best homeschool mom raising

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Speaker 2: your kids for God's glory, Because one day your kids

1184
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: will figure out if it's for your own glory and

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: they will revel against it, and you don't want that.

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Speaker 2: So older women that have walked the path ahead of

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Speaker 2: you can give you the discernment that you are in

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Speaker 2: the thick of it. You're living on carbs, you're losing

1189
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Speaker 2: sleep at night, you're hormonaling and balanced, you're worried about finances,

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Speaker 2: and some older woman steps into your life and just

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Speaker 2: offers you a non emotional perspective of what you're going through,

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Speaker 2: and it is gold. And it's God's journey woman to

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Speaker 2: the Apprentice. It's his plan for how we are supposed

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: to go look for help. We say join those Sunday

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Speaker 2: school classes or those older women Bible studies, because it's

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Speaker 2: a wealth of discernment and friendship that will. I have

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Speaker 2: one friend in Gail, She's eighty five. She's still my mentor,

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Speaker 2: and I absolutely love the insights she still shares with me.

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Speaker 2: And then I'll offer this if you go to my

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Speaker 2: home No regretswoman dot com home page, scroll down and

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: there's a video of me teaching Becoming the Mom you

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Speaker 2: Meant to be. I taught it out of Seattle Homeschool Conference.

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Speaker 2: It's my heart message for homeschool moms, and I think

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Speaker 2: you'll be greatly encouraged by it.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. This has been the visual I have is just

1206
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: like a dry and parched land. Sometimes we feel like that,

1207
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: and this has just been such a refreshing rain nourish.

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: I know I am in a season where I've needed that.

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Speaker 1: And I think your advice to moms to go and

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Speaker 1: find the older moms at yours don't just get in

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Speaker 1: those groups with all the moms your same age. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's great. You know, you want your play dates, you

1213
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: want to go out to the park with your kids

1214
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: and have other kids for them to play with, but

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Speaker 1: definitely seek out those older moms. That is God's plan.

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Speaker 1: That is the way He intended for us to learn

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: how to become better moms, better women, better believers in Christ,

1218
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: better witnesses, better with our testimony. All of those things

1219
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: come by surrounding ourselves. Not only when people are peers,

1220
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: they're all struggling with the same stuff we're struggling with.

1221
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Speaker 1: We need somebody who's got some miles on them, who's

1222
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: been through this, and that is God's plan to get

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Speaker 1: us there.

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Speaker 2: So it also gives us a sense of urgency because

1225
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Speaker 2: I'm watching my grandkids grow up so quickly. When you're

1226
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Speaker 2: living it day to day, it seems like, you know,

1227
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Speaker 2: what is it The days are long but the years

1228
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: are short, right? Is that what they say something like

1229
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Speaker 2: that when you lived it, And yeah, Like, I'm literally

1230
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Speaker 2: watching it go by so fast, and I'm like, every

1231
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Speaker 2: day is a gift that you know. When my daughter

1232
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: was holding Maizie the other day, Maze's going to be

1233
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Speaker 2: six and she still wants to hold her like a baby.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, eat it up, because any day

1235
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Speaker 2: now that's going to you know, should climb on or

1236
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: I just have the kids for four days while her

1237
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: mom went out of town and when she came home

1238
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: she just was mommy, mommy, mommy. I'm like, oh, oh,

1239
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Speaker 2: enjoy it because it's going to stop soon.

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01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: It's going to be so fast, you know what. Seriously,

1241
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: I want to end the podcast so I could go

1242
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: hug all of my kids right now. I'm so encouraged

1243
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: to do that. So please, moms, go just give your

1244
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: for no reason, no reason, whatever, go give your kids

1245
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: a big bear hug today and say something really incredible

1246
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: about them, just something you love about them, and bless

1247
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: them with that.

1248
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Speaker 2: And laugh with them, laugh as children, because it's easy

1249
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: to lose the laughter and enjoy the Lord is your strength.

1250
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: And you and laughter is good medicine. We learned that

1251
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Speaker 1: as well in scripture. The book is called Moms of

1252
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: the Bible, Life Changing Lessons from the Fearless, flawed and Faithful.

1253
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Speaker 1: I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I am so encouraged,

1254
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: am I calling as a mom. Thank you so much.

1255
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Speaker 1: Tell us one more time. What are your websites and

1256
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: where can they get a copy of the book.

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Speaker 2: My name's round to stop you, but it's just always

1258
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: no one knows how to spell it, so No Regrets

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Speaker 2: dot Com we'll take you to my website. All of

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Speaker 2: my books are on there. Steve and I wrote a

1261
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Speaker 2: marriage book. I have another book out for wives. It's

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Speaker 2: an audio book called if my husband would change, I'd

1263
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 2: be happy and other myths wives believe. So you could

1264
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 2: put that in your ears while you're working out and

1265
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: learn all kinds of things in real life romances on

1266
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Speaker 2: their moms raising sons to be men. If you've got sons.

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Speaker 2: It's a great resource from mothers of boys. And my

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel is run a stopping no regrets woman. If

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Speaker 2: you go to my YouTube channel, the very first video

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Speaker 2: on there is a slideshow of my family and the

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Speaker 2: music is a song that my son Brandon, who's a

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Speaker 2: worship pastor, wrote for me for Mother's Day a few

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Speaker 2: years ago. It's called It's All in a Mother's Love

1274
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: or something, and it is just I die every time

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01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: I and you can see all my fifteen grandkids and

1276
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: my kids and you can listen to that amazing song

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Speaker 2: from my son Brandon Stoppy awesome.

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Speaker 1: This has been such a gift to all of us

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Speaker 1: mothers on Mother's Day. It's just thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I cannot thank you enough for being here with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you finally got to come on the

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Speaker 1: show and it was a perfect I'm with your brand

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Speaker 1: new book that you wrote. I'm glad you got it

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Speaker 1: out in twenty twenty six instead of waiting all the

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Speaker 1: way to twenty twenty seven. But it's just been a delight.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to have you back on to talk about

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Speaker 1: grandparenting and other family stuff. You're a wealth of wisdom

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Speaker 1: and you're certainly someone I know that we could all

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Speaker 1: tap into more as one of those moms that's been

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Speaker 1: through it and doesn't smell like smoke. You smell refreshing,

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Speaker 1: like a garden, and you have so much wisdom to

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Speaker 1: plant in our lives so that our lives can smell

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Speaker 1: like gardens too. So thank you so much, Ronda.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, it's been great. I've loved every minute of it.

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Speaker 1: So did I. Okay, so this section of our interview,

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Speaker 1: it was in our post conversation We ended up talking

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Speaker 1: for like an extra forty five minutes to an hour.

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Speaker 1: But Ronda talked about her Rodius and she said some

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Speaker 1: things about abusive mothers that just blew my mind. I

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Speaker 1: just want to air that little clip for you because

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to really help some moms. If

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Speaker 1: you're out there and you were raised by an abusive mother,

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Speaker 1: I think this is going to be liberating. And I

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Speaker 1: wholeheartedly concur with Ronda's suggestion or admonition for you to

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Speaker 1: get good biblical counseling. If you're coming from that kind

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Speaker 1: of situation, God can do a tremendous healing in your life.

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Speaker 1: But listen to what Ronda had to say about Herodias

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know that story, Herodius was the

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Speaker 1: mother of solom and Solome was the one who danced

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Speaker 1: before herod and was asked, what would you like to have?

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Speaker 1: He offered her anything up to half of the kingdom,

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Speaker 1: and this is what she asked for. She asked for

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Speaker 1: John the Baptist's head on a platter. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you lessons we can learn from this are powerful.

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Speaker 2: All of life's problems can be answered through the pages

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Speaker 2: of Scripture. But you have to just know how to

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Speaker 2: engage in scripture in a way like unpacking Herodius story. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like literally, you know what you would normally read about Herodius?

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Speaker 2: What is that? She said, ask for John the baptisad

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Speaker 2: on a platter. Her daughter asked for that, and look

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Speaker 2: what happened. But it's like time out. What kind of

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Speaker 2: a mother tells her daughter when she has the option

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Speaker 2: for half the kingdom? Oh, and abusive moms. Those kids

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Speaker 2: run to those abusives moms and want to please those

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Speaker 2: moms no matter what it costs them.

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Speaker 1: That is so true.

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Speaker 2: So this daughter gave up all of that just to

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Speaker 2: please an abusive mother who was so bitter and so

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Speaker 2: angry because she'd been called on her sin, right, And

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Speaker 2: so you never would see that in that story if

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Speaker 2: you just skip over it, it's just oh gross. But

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Speaker 2: it's like wait, wait, who does that?

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Speaker 1: I know and you're right that the child always runs

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Speaker 1: to that mother. I can remember my cousins. I had

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Speaker 1: three cousins who their mother and the father they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to raise them, and so they farmed them out

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Speaker 1: to all of the siblings. And I can remember at

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Speaker 1: one point my cousin came to live with me, and

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Speaker 1: she was a teenager at that point, and my mother

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Speaker 1: was amazing, loving there, helping with making the lunches, home

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Speaker 1: cooked meal every night, you know. Yeah, but what did

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Speaker 1: she want. She wanted her abusive, deadbeat mom because it

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Speaker 1: was her mom, and they long for that to please

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01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: that mother, and she did her whole life, and it

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: was so tragic to see how sad that is, how

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Speaker 1: sad that is.

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Speaker 2: It's their normal.

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Speaker 1: It's a god given desire. You want your mom to

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Speaker 1: love you and to be there for you, and it's

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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: tragic when that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it takes to get her approval, even if it's

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Speaker 2: meaning to ask for someone's head on a platter. And

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Speaker 2: that whole chapter talks about a woman who came to

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Speaker 2: me at a speaking engagement and she was talking about

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: her mother made her have an abortion and she had twins,

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Speaker 2: didn't realize it. They killed ones. Was in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: She hemorrhaged terribly, Her mom took her back, she had

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Speaker 2: to have the other baby taken out, and her mom

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01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: signed the paperwork for her to have a full hysterectomy

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Speaker 2: at fifteen. Yeah, and her mom's dead and gone and

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Speaker 2: she's like, I cannot forgive my mother like and so

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Speaker 2: that whole chapter is about your mom might have been

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Speaker 2: a Herodias and it might have cost you dearly, but

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Speaker 2: your hatred for her and your bitterness ties you to her,

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Speaker 2: and your only freedom from her, even if she's dead,

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Speaker 2: is to forgive her. And then I direct them to

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Speaker 2: go find a biblical counselor go to ACBC online. This

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Speaker 2: is a mom hole in your heart that's bigger than

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Speaker 2: just saying, Okay, I'm gonna forgive her. You've got to

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Speaker 2: get some biblical counseling. But yeah, So all that to say,

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Speaker 2: these different chapters are about moms in the Bible. We've

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Speaker 2: all read about oh my gosh, yes, but have we

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Speaker 2: really looked at their time in history and what influence

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Speaker 2: it had on their culture, on their children, on the

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Speaker 2: generations that followed.

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Speaker 1: So may I splice that back in there about herodias

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Speaker 1: because oh my gosh, and for a mother to do

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Speaker 1: that and then that's affected her for the rest of

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Speaker 1: her life, I can only imagine.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it goes farther. Her mom made her quit

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Speaker 2: school to take care of her sister's baby when her

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01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: sister got pregnant. Her sister graduated high school, graduated college,

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 2: got married, has a family and children. This woman never married,

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: never graduated high school, never had a career, never had children.

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Speaker 2: So it was like it just carried. I mean she

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 2: was in her mid forties when we were having this conversation,

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Speaker 2: like she literally had given up everything devastating because of

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Speaker 2: her mother. Yeah. So yeah, but that's my heart is like,

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Speaker 2: wake up and get these moms to read their Bible

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Speaker 2: and to read it in a way that it's like

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Speaker 2: these women were in history for their time. You're in

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Speaker 2: history for your time. And how does God want you

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Speaker 2: to rise up or to break free from whatever you've

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: been exposed to to be the mom he's called you

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 2: to be, because you know, the Bible says in that

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: chapter talks about we should probably do a whole set

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Speaker 2: on heredia. As a man thinks in his heart, so

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Speaker 2: is he. So women who've been abused by a mom

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Speaker 2: grow up hating their mom, grow up dwelling on the

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Speaker 2: hatred of their mom, dwelling on I will never be

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Speaker 2: like my mother, And half of them become just like

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Speaker 2: the woman they hate because they're dwelling on what they

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Speaker 2: don't want to be. Instead of thinking on what is good, right,

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Speaker 2: honorable and praiseworthy, they're thinking out all the things they hate.

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Speaker 2: And it's just another generation of the same, the same,

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Speaker 2: the same, and it's passed down. I come from a

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Speaker 2: long line of women who hate their mother. My sister

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01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: hated my mom, and my mom hated her mom, and

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Speaker 2: her mom hated her mom. And there's nothing in me

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Speaker 2: that shouldn't have children that hate me, but they don't.

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Speaker 2: And it's because of Christ. To me, the hope of

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01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: glory God changed the trajectory of my family because of

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Speaker 2: my relationship with Christ, and I do not take that

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Speaker 2: for granted, and it's just such a gift and a blessing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm gonna have to air that somehow.

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Speaker 5: That was so good God, such healing words there for

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Speaker 5: any moms out there that don't have good godly mothers,

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Speaker 5: and the wounds there.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen it in my own family.

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Speaker 1: When I was describing how my cousin just desperately desperately

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Speaker 1: wanted her mother, who didn't want her, rejected her, didn't

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Speaker 1: love her, farmed her out to other family members to

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Speaker 1: raise and to take care of. And yet all she

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Speaker 1: wanted was her mother and God can heal those wombs though, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can heal those wounds.

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Speaker 2: Even if they never ask forgiveness. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: like this woman, like my mom's dead, how do I

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01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: get freedom? How do I And it's like she's dead.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, she's still controlling you from the grave,

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Speaker 2: so it's time to break free.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, that was just too good not to air.

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Speaker 1: I really felt like that was an anointed part of

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Speaker 1: the conversation that was designed by God to bring some

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Speaker 1: healing to some people. And I hope that this biblical example,

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01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 1: along with Rhonda's soothing words, help bring healing to anyone

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Speaker 1: who has suffered under the hands of an abusive mother.

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Speaker 1: And as we close today's conversation, I hope you're walking

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Speaker 1: away with a renewed sense of purpose and maybe even

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01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: a little awe. Because when you look at the mothers

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Speaker 1: of the Bible, you don't see perfect women. You see

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Speaker 1: real ones, fearless, faithful, flawed, and sometimes forgotten my mind, and

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: yet God uses each of them in powerful, generation shaping ways.

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Speaker 1: That's the heart behind Ronda's book, Moms of the Bible,

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01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: Life Changing Lessons from the fearless, flawed, and faithful. It

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: reminds us that God doesn't need perfection, He's just looking

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: for surrender. He works through the ordinary, the overlooked, and yes,

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01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 1: even the messy moments of motherhood to accomplish his extraordinary plans.

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Speaker 1: So if you've ever felt unseen, if you've ever wondered

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01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: if what you're doing really matters, let today be your

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: reminder it does eternally so. And always remember God gave

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Speaker 1: you your kids, your specific kids for a reason. That's

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01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: because you hold the key to unlocking who God created

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Speaker 1: them to be. We'll see you next time, Christian parent

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