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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: I see this world where I believe the world has

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Speaker 2: lied to women. They've sold them this fake, counterfeit version

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Speaker 2: of strength. But I also believe the church has weakened women.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm here with a very special guest. A young

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Speaker 3: lady that I've known since she was a little girl.

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Speaker 3: Sissy Graham Lynch. Sissy, glad you could be here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Uncle Greg.

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Speaker 3: And my wife, Kathy.

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Speaker 1: You never called me Aunt Kathy. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I think in the South, everybody is always uncle.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I remember calling that as a kid.

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Speaker 3: It's sweet.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: It's so sweet.

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Speaker 3: I remember you as a little girl with your little pigtails.

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Speaker 3: You're a delightful little girl. Yes, you are. And now

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Speaker 3: you're a grown woman with so much to say. You've

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Speaker 3: written a brand new book. What is the title of

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Speaker 3: your new book?

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Speaker 2: Stand Steady.

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Speaker 3: And what is that about?

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Speaker 2: I had this after I had my daughter, Georgia, and

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Speaker 2: I had come out of this really dark stage. I

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Speaker 2: am very open about how I suffered with depression during

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Speaker 2: my pregnancy and stuff. But when I looked at what

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Speaker 2: we were in culture, I had gone to a few

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Speaker 2: women's conferences and And I couldn't really find my place

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Speaker 2: in ministry, not so much in work, but where do

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Speaker 2: I find myself in a Bible study and really learning

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Speaker 2: the word of God? And I couldn't really find that.

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Speaker 2: And I looked at what was happening in our culture

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Speaker 2: at that moment. And you looked at Roe versus Wade

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Speaker 2: had just been overturned. And at our Capitol, just women

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Speaker 2: were angry. They were hurt. They were mad. We had

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Speaker 2: a Supreme Court justice who couldn't even define what a

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Speaker 2: woman was. Mm-hmm. And I remember sitting in church and

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Speaker 2: I was coming out of this season of my pregnancy

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Speaker 2: and we had just been hit by a hurricane. And

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Speaker 2: I was exhausted and depleted and seeing disappointment in ministry

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Speaker 2: and seeing what was happening in our world. God just

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Speaker 2: put a question in my heart of what kind of

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Speaker 2: woman are you going to choose to be?

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Because it's a choice. We have so many choices to

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Speaker 2: make that every day we're making a choice that will

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Speaker 2: shape us for eternity. And we're all going to face

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Speaker 2: storms in life. We're going to face heartache.

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: Brokenness, whether it's a cultural storm, whether we start to

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Speaker 2: see persecution here in America, the other people are facing,

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Speaker 2: whatever it might be. My heart was, I wanted women

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Speaker 2: to have a peaceful assurance that they could stand steady.

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Speaker 2: The storm can knock them around, but they could stand

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Speaker 2: there and face it. And I realized I had that

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Speaker 2: growing up with my grandparents and my mom and my dad,

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Speaker 2: their faith was never shaken. It doesn't mean they didn't

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Speaker 2: have spiritual warfare. It didn't mean that they didn't go

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Speaker 2: through very difficult times, but it was a steadiness. And

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Speaker 2: I've realized a lot of people don't have that. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I wanted in this book.

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Speaker 3: And for people that don't know, you have such a

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Speaker 3: rich spiritual legacy. Your grandfather is Billy Graham. Your grandmother

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Speaker 3: is Ruth Graham. Your father is Franklin Graham. And then,

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Speaker 3: of course, your brothers who are all in ministry today.

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Speaker 3: We have Roy. We have Edward. We have Will. And

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Speaker 3: then your aunt is, and grandmothers. I mean, you're just

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Speaker 3: surrounded by all these godly people. But you grew up,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, did you grow up with a sense

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Speaker 3: of you have to now go into ministry or you

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Speaker 3: have to be a certain person? How did that work

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Speaker 3: out for you?

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Speaker 2: You know, looking back, my grandparents and my parents never

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Speaker 2: put pressure on us. They never put this pressure of perfection.

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Speaker 2: It was, they kind of embraced when we would mess up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Use it to shape us, that I'm so thankful for.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of grace in my family, especially

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Speaker 2: from my grandmother and my mom. Now looking, you've just

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Speaker 2: last place my brothers and I ever wanted to be

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Speaker 2: was in ministry. I know as a teenager, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to be far away from the grand name. I really

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Speaker 2: struggled with what it came under the umbrella of being

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Speaker 2: a gram and all those expectations that came. Now it

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Speaker 2: wasn't put on by my parents, but about around peers

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Speaker 2: and the people around me. And I hated it. I

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Speaker 2: the time. I never wanted to be in ministry, but

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Speaker 2: here we are. And I never wanted to write a book.

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Speaker 2: That was the last thing. I think there's so many

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Speaker 3: What do you think to this?

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Speaker 2: I think we've embraced this world of instead of discipleship,

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Speaker 2: we really just want kind of more companionship with friends

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Speaker 2: and family.

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Speaker 3: More therapeutic than theological. Yes.

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Speaker 2: We're in a therapeutic age. I talk about that in

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Speaker 2: the book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I did not want to write a book. And

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Speaker 2: also I didn't think like, wow, the world doesn't need

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Speaker 2: one more book from a Graham.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And here I am. God put it on my heart.

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Speaker 2: I really kind of put it on the shelf, like

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Speaker 2: didn't want to write it. And here we are.

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Speaker 3: But you have so much to say. I mean, you've

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Speaker 3: lived a unique life already. And I probably shouldn't ask this.

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Speaker 3: I know I shouldn't, but I'm going to ask you.

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Speaker 3: How old are you?

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Speaker 2: I just turned 40. Oh.

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Speaker 3: What is the age where you can't ask a girl

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Speaker 3: that any longer?

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Speaker 2: Is it 40? I don't know. We might be approaching.

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Speaker 3: You think it's 40?

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Speaker 2: I still feel so young. It's so weird. I can

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Speaker 2: remember my dad turning 40.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And his birthday. It's weird to become the age you

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And that's really, that's a tough.

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Speaker 3: Just wait.

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Speaker 1: There's more to come. Those decade years.

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Speaker 2: You two have not aged.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're kind.

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Speaker 2: I can remember sitting on Kathy's bathroom counter as a

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Speaker 2: And at the time, I didn't appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I still sit on the counter while she does it,

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Speaker 2: I didn't appreciate it. I probably just wanted to go

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Speaker 1: I wish you would have said, I remember you pouring

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Speaker 2: And you know what? but it is true because from afar,

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Speaker 2: before we had podcasts and stuff, I remember like the

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Speaker 2: internet coming out and just searching Harvest. Kathy, I have

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Speaker 2: watched your ministry from afar.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: From Virtue Women. I've been following them for years. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I know all your leaders because I follow them.

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Speaker 2: You have created such a strong, when I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: women's ministry, you're one of the few that I truly

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Speaker 2: follow because it is your heart. to have women learn

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Speaker 2: the word of God.

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Speaker 1: A hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And I've met women that have worked in some of

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Speaker 2: these publishing that have written Bible studies and they're told

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Speaker 2: less rigor. And it's because women don't want it or

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That has not been your heart.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all. As a matter of fact, the

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Speaker 1: word of God is what makes us stand steady. If

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Speaker 1: for that unexpected event in your life. They come out

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Speaker 1: was so grateful for, Sissy, was that I had this

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Speaker 1: going to work together for good. Those passages are absolutely treasures.

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Speaker 1: But I had read enough of the Bible and studied

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Speaker 1: enough of the Bible to know that suffering and tribulation

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Speaker 1: and calamity happened to God's people. And when I found

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Speaker 1: passionate about studying the Word of God, and I'm so

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Speaker 1: grateful for your Aunt Anne, Anne Graham Lotz, who really

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Speaker 1: because of her model and example of teaching her women

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Speaker 1: as a pastor's wife, I just, by osmosis, said, this

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Speaker 1: is what we do as pastor's wives. We disciple women

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Speaker 1: for them to understand God's Word. because that's what helps us,

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Speaker 1: as you say in your book, stand steady. And I

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Speaker 1: so appreciated the fact that you used in your book

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Speaker 1: an illustration of when you were seven months pregnant and

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Speaker 1: the hurricane hit. And what you saw was a visible

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Speaker 1: I think that is such a great image for all

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Speaker 1: of us to have about our lives. You know, storms

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Speaker 1: are going to come.

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Speaker 2: I think of, you're talking about Kay Smith, I think

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Speaker 2: in my life, like Kay Arthur. And I had a

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Speaker 2: challenged me with was in Daniel. And it said, those

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Speaker 2: who know their God will be able to stand in

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Speaker 2: strength and take action. And we as women in this

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Speaker 2: world and this culture we're facing, We want to be

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Speaker 2: stand in strength, but not just that, then be able

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Speaker 2: to take action in that. How do we move our feet?

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Speaker 2: And I remember after the hurricane hit, I've seen a

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Speaker 2: lot of natural disasters, especially with the work of Samaritan's Purse.

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Speaker 2: But when it hits your home and your neighbors and

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Speaker 2: because I was seven months pregnant and just only had

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Speaker 2: to evacuate for about two weeks. But when you went

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Speaker 2: over the bridge to Fort Myers Beach, there was nothing left.

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Speaker 2: Yes. I've had to learn a little more grace.

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Speaker 2: I think I saw these strong women in my life.

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Speaker 2: But I also believe the church has weakened women. And

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Speaker 2: no emotion. I'm not feeling it. I just want to

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Speaker 2: study the word of God.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm here.

447
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Speaker 2: I'm hungry. I'm thirsty for it.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't give me the emotion. I feel like in life,

449
00:20:26,794 --> 00:20:30,134
Speaker 1: emotions run this deep, but there has to be a

450
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Speaker 1: truth that is deeper than our emotion. We have to

451
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Speaker 1: know when we're feeling certain things, like even if it's

452
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Speaker 1: a love for the Lord or a good emotion of

453
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Speaker 1: love or worship or whatever, to recognize what is emotion

454
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Speaker 1: and what is truth. And are you willing to worship

455
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Speaker 1: when you're not feeling it? Are you willing to obey

456
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Speaker 1: when you don't necessarily feel the motivation or the reward

457
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Speaker 1: at the end of that? But you know it's right.

458
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Speaker 1: So you have to have that deeper than emotion. And absolutely,

459
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Speaker 1: the church needs to equip women with that. And the

460
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Speaker 1: idea of bringing women together to rehearse their past traumas,

461
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Speaker 1: which very early on in my ministry, there was a

462
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Speaker 1: speaker who went around and she had been abused. She

463
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Speaker 1: had gone through some trauma in her youth and that

464
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Speaker 1: became her whole platform. But what I saw was a

465
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Speaker 1: red flag for me when I started reading more deeply

466
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Speaker 1: was she started listing all these symptoms that were very

467
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Speaker 1: vague and symptoms that could mean that you were also abused.

468
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Speaker 1: And that if you've had these feelings or outburst of anger,

469
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Speaker 1: or if you felt, if you were compulsive eater or whatever,

470
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Speaker 1: that all.

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Speaker 3: Of these things... Why did you gesture toward me when

472
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Speaker 3: you said compulsive eater? I don't think it's compulsive.

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Speaker 1: You're not a woman, you know, it doesn't apply. This

474
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Speaker 1: is true. But she had all, and it became this,

475
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Speaker 1: and I found that I attended a place where she

476
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Speaker 1: was speaking about And there was no resolution or victory.

477
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Speaker 1: The only way through this was to continue to dig

478
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Speaker 1: deeper into your past memories, into your history of hurt

479
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Speaker 1: and trauma. And it was like, the fruit that I

480
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Speaker 1: saw as a result of that wasn't taking those things

481
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Speaker 1: to the cross and taking them to our healer and

482
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Speaker 1: taking them to the Word of God. It was just

483
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Speaker 1: this This next step was just this perpetual cycle of

484
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Speaker 1: hurt and rehearsing. And whatever we get in small groups,

485
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Speaker 1: you know, it can happen. As we're discussing the word

486
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Speaker 1: of God, one starts saying this, the next, and you

487
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Speaker 1: have to.

488
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Speaker 2: Some of the Bible studies out there have like serious rules.

489
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Speaker 2: Like you can't say proper pronouns.

490
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Speaker 1: You have to kind of wrangle all of that back.

491
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Speaker 1: You say, okay, girls, that's very interesting. We all have experiences.

492
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Speaker 1: We all have memories. But remember, we're here to study

493
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Speaker 1: God's word. bring them back to that. So, but yes,

494
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Speaker 1: emotions and feelings, they're, they're this deep and they are

495
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Speaker 1: not to be trusted because you can flip your emotion

496
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Speaker 1: in a day. For us women, it can be hormonal.

497
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Speaker 1: It can be, we read something, we saw something, a

498
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Speaker 1: friend didn't invite us to the party. All of a

499
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Speaker 1: sudden it's like the world is ending and young girls

500
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Speaker 1: in particular now with social media, it is really, really

501
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Speaker 1: hard for them because.

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Speaker 3: What alarms me is, There's a story out right now

503
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Speaker 3: about a young girl just turned 13 years old, raised

504
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Speaker 3: in a Hollywood home, and she took her own life.

505
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Speaker 3: Suicide among young girls has like tripled. And this is

506
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Speaker 3: so scary to me. And I know a lot of it.

507
00:23:41,734 --> 00:23:44,215
Speaker 3: has influenced the social media. I think you can almost

508
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Speaker 3: trace it back to when the social media platforms were born.

509
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Speaker 3: And I think we can dismiss the pain that these

510
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Speaker 3: young girls are feeling, but it's real to them. Maybe

511
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Speaker 3: they're being bullied online or they don't feel they measure up.

512
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Speaker 3: What would you ladies say to the younger girls out

513
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Speaker 3: there who maybe don't think they're as beautiful as they

514
00:24:05,645 --> 00:24:08,185
Speaker 3: can be or as smart as they want to be

515
00:24:08,205 --> 00:24:11,114
Speaker 3: or whatever it is they want to be, It's sort

516
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Speaker 3: of like an older sissy talking to a younger sissy,

517
00:24:14,195 --> 00:24:16,955
Speaker 3: an older Kathy speaking to a younger Kathy, or just

518
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Speaker 3: talking to young girls like, hey, it's okay. And please

519
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Speaker 3: don't ever think about taking your own life.

520
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Speaker 2: I was growing up in the 90s and early 2000s,

521
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Speaker 2: which was the time of like supermodel thin and the

522
00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:37,285
Speaker 2: pressure to be bold. bone skinny, no muscle on you.

523
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Speaker 2: And I talk about that in my book a little bit,

524
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Speaker 2: but my eating disorder that I'd had for years that

525
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Speaker 2: kept me just a bondage over my life. And I

526
00:24:47,395 --> 00:24:49,955
Speaker 2: couldn't get out of it. And I knew truth and

527
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Speaker 2: I would be praying like, Lord, free me from it.

528
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Speaker 2: And he wouldn't. And just like any addiction, it's self-serving.

529
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Speaker 2: You're putting yourself first. But I would look at these girls.

530
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Speaker 2: I really can't fathom with the world of social media

531
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Speaker 2: what these women or these young girls are facing.

532
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Speaker 3: Right.

533
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Speaker 2: I would first start with the parents. And it's kind

534
00:25:09,804 --> 00:25:12,944
Speaker 2: of the thing is like the world won't understand when

535
00:25:12,965 --> 00:25:14,324
Speaker 2: you don't want to give your child a phone.

536
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

537
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Speaker 2: There's going to be pressures. The kids can say, no,

538
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Speaker 2: I can't do this. You've got to give me a

539
00:25:18,354 --> 00:25:20,435
Speaker 2: phone or I can't go to this practice. My coach can't.

540
00:25:21,074 --> 00:25:24,374
Speaker 2: There's so many pressures and reasons. And it's easier to

541
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Speaker 2: give in to some of them. But to really rein

542
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Speaker 2: it back, it's not too late to rein it back

543
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Speaker 2: in with our children, to really set closer boundaries and

544
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Speaker 2: standards for our families and more rules. And it won't

545
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Speaker 2: make sense. And your kid might be mad at you.

546
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Speaker 1: It's okay. You're not their best friend. It's okay. You're

547
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Speaker 1: the parent.

548
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Speaker 2: So look at parents first to rein it back in.

549
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Speaker 2: Protect them. Keep them safe. That's your job to protect

550
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Speaker 2: your child.

551
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Speaker 3: That's true.

552
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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean we can protect them from everything. I'm

553
00:25:55,984 --> 00:25:58,304
Speaker 2: not there yet. I just have a 13-year-old. I'm getting

554
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Speaker 2: ready to enter all of this hard stage. It's really

555
00:26:02,905 --> 00:26:05,405
Speaker 2: fun times. But boy, I would look at those little

556
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Speaker 2: girls and their worth is not in the words of

557
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Speaker 2: other people. Their worth is not in social media and

558
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Speaker 2: this comparison world where we're constantly comparing our lives and

559
00:26:17,935 --> 00:26:22,254
Speaker 2: complaining about what we have and don't have. They are

560
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Speaker 2: in a battle. And we're in a battle for our

561
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Speaker 2: children and the heart and souls of our children right now.

562
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Speaker 1: I think kids are so isolated today. And I think

563
00:26:28,814 --> 00:26:31,374
Speaker 1: parents are distracted as well as the kids are, that

564
00:26:31,435 --> 00:26:35,395
Speaker 1: no one's really paying really careful attention when you start

565
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Speaker 1: seeing these warning signs. But as in every life, we

566
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Speaker 1: have value. We have purpose. We have gifts. God loves us.

567
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Speaker 1: He wants to use us. We have a beautiful future

568
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Speaker 1: that God has designed for us that's unique. And so

569
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Speaker 1: for me, what I would love to see every young

570
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Speaker 1: child starting from the time they're very little is to

571
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Speaker 1: recognize they have sources of strength in their life that

572
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Speaker 1: is not based on what social media or the current

573
00:27:05,774 --> 00:27:08,935
Speaker 1: trends or culture is telling them, not based on what

574
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Speaker 1: their little circle of friends that they might see on

575
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Speaker 1: social media, but they would know that they have a family.

576
00:27:15,695 --> 00:27:18,875
Speaker 1: Pouring into family, like you were saying, starting with the parents,

577
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Speaker 1: giving those children that home is important. The parental love is,

578
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Speaker 1: they have that no matter what. And then second of all, church,

579
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Speaker 1: the community of God's people that begins, you know, I'm

580
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Speaker 1: so grateful for the youth ministries in our church that

581
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Speaker 1: begin from the time that a baby is born when

582
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Speaker 1: the children are taken to the nursery so parents can

583
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Speaker 1: hear the word of God in the sanctuary. They begin

584
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Speaker 1: to see a family beyond their family. So even if

585
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Speaker 1: your family, a child's family is shaky, if they can

586
00:27:53,324 --> 00:27:56,705
Speaker 1: be rooted in a church family, and then as they

587
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Speaker 1: grow older, that church family becomes significant in friendships. And

588
00:28:01,885 --> 00:28:04,564
Speaker 1: then as they learn, they have a role, they have

589
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Speaker 1: a purpose, they have gifts that they can use in

590
00:28:07,044 --> 00:28:09,345
Speaker 1: the church. And I loved what you said in your

591
00:28:09,385 --> 00:28:13,565
Speaker 1: book about the importance. This culture is a thing about ageism,

592
00:28:13,604 --> 00:28:16,225
Speaker 1: that older people, it's all about being young and looking

593
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Speaker 1: like you're young and staying young and forever 21 and

594
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Speaker 1: all of that, but that there is such value in,

595
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Speaker 1: in having older saints, women who have lived life, experienced life,

596
00:28:28,304 --> 00:28:31,705
Speaker 1: gone through difficult marriages, raised a prodigal child, that in

597
00:28:31,824 --> 00:28:34,364
Speaker 1: every stage of your life that there's probably a woman

598
00:28:34,465 --> 00:28:37,285
Speaker 1: in the church, maybe she doesn't have a title, but

599
00:28:37,544 --> 00:28:39,605
Speaker 1: she might be a small group leader or she might

600
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Speaker 1: be just a woman that you sit next to in

601
00:28:41,885 --> 00:28:45,465
Speaker 1: church that has lived. As a younger person, if we

602
00:28:45,525 --> 00:28:50,384
Speaker 1: can seek out those mentors, and mentoring doesn't have to

603
00:28:50,425 --> 00:28:53,265
Speaker 1: be a formal program, it can just be Striking up

604
00:28:53,285 --> 00:28:56,485
Speaker 1: the conversation, asking questions. And then for those of us

605
00:28:56,505 --> 00:28:59,845
Speaker 1: that are older, to open our hearts and our homes

606
00:29:00,625 --> 00:29:02,624
Speaker 1: and our lives, especially those of us who have a

607
00:29:02,645 --> 00:29:05,775
Speaker 1: little more time. We've raised our families that we could

608
00:29:05,815 --> 00:29:08,834
Speaker 1: just say, hey, come on over. Let's cook. And then

609
00:29:08,875 --> 00:29:13,055
Speaker 1: you have these conversations side by side where you're not

610
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Speaker 1: necessarily going through a formal program of mentoring.

611
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

612
00:29:16,575 --> 00:29:20,354
Speaker 1: But they are just observing. And there's a young boy

613
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Speaker 1: that was Christopher's friend. His name was Hank. And he

614
00:29:24,295 --> 00:29:27,745
Speaker 1: was raised in the family of a single mother. And

615
00:29:28,385 --> 00:29:30,305
Speaker 1: Christopher really liked him. And his mom was part of

616
00:29:30,325 --> 00:29:33,065
Speaker 1: the church. And he would come over and have sleepovers.

617
00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:38,095
Speaker 1: We had no idea that he's in his 40s now. No,

618
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Speaker 1: maybe almost 50 because Christopher would have been 50. He's

619
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Speaker 1: the same age. Christopher would have been the same age

620
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Speaker 1: as Will. And you're the same age as Jonathan, Evan.

621
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Speaker 1: you have a few siblings in between we have none

622
00:29:47,925 --> 00:29:51,065
Speaker 1: but anyway um Hank would have been in his 50s

623
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Speaker 1: and he has reached out and told me he said

624
00:29:54,765 --> 00:29:57,515
Speaker 1: I didn't know what a father was like I didn't

625
00:29:57,575 --> 00:30:01,175
Speaker 1: know what a together family was like because his mom

626
00:30:01,195 --> 00:30:04,015
Speaker 1: was a single mom And he said, but I saw,

627
00:30:04,185 --> 00:30:07,175
Speaker 1: and we had no idea. He saw us in that

628
00:30:07,235 --> 00:30:09,914
Speaker 1: role of being mentored. And all he was, was spending

629
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Speaker 1: time with Christopher in our home. And so for these

630
00:30:13,775 --> 00:30:17,674
Speaker 1: young ones, it's like, you may feel a little disconnected.

631
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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't have an intact family or even a

632
00:30:19,815 --> 00:30:22,414
Speaker 1: Christian home. We can just scoop these kids up out

633
00:30:22,455 --> 00:30:25,634
Speaker 1: of the schools and bring them into the family of God.

634
00:30:26,055 --> 00:30:28,135
Speaker 1: And those of us that are older, open our homes

635
00:30:28,235 --> 00:30:30,925
Speaker 1: and We do have a formal mentoring program here at

636
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Speaker 1: Harvest for anyone who's out there. We love that. I

637
00:30:32,885 --> 00:30:33,884
Speaker 1: do love that.

638
00:30:33,925 --> 00:30:35,445
Speaker 2: I see that in your women's ministry.

639
00:30:35,465 --> 00:30:39,365
Speaker 1: We love it. And our small groups are really groups.

640
00:30:39,485 --> 00:30:41,515
Speaker 1: They're a mixture of age, and there's a lot of

641
00:30:41,555 --> 00:30:42,424
Speaker 1: mentoring that happens.

642
00:30:42,465 --> 00:30:44,895
Speaker 3: Well, I think that a lot of people are coming

643
00:30:44,935 --> 00:30:48,555
Speaker 3: from broken homes, like you just mentioned. And when I

644
00:30:48,594 --> 00:30:51,874
Speaker 3: came into the church, my mother was married and divorced

645
00:30:51,895 --> 00:30:54,555
Speaker 3: seven times. I had no father. So I was looking

646
00:30:54,594 --> 00:30:57,495
Speaker 3: for a father figure. And I was effectively looking for

647
00:30:57,515 --> 00:31:00,104
Speaker 3: a mother figure, but a godly one. And so as

648
00:31:00,155 --> 00:31:02,865
Speaker 3: a younger person, the funny thing is I didn't necessarily

649
00:31:02,905 --> 00:31:05,865
Speaker 3: want to hang around people my own age because I thought, well,

650
00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:08,225
Speaker 3: what do they know? They don't know much more than

651
00:31:08,344 --> 00:31:11,105
Speaker 3: I know. But these older folks, I want to hang

652
00:31:11,145 --> 00:31:13,185
Speaker 3: around them. And one of the great privileges of my

653
00:31:13,225 --> 00:31:16,505
Speaker 3: life was getting to know your grandfather and spend time

654
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Speaker 3: with them. And certainly he was a father figure to

655
00:31:19,765 --> 00:31:23,685
Speaker 3: me and many others. But But the Billy Graham privately

656
00:31:23,854 --> 00:31:27,155
Speaker 3: was even more impressive than the public Billy. What do

657
00:31:27,175 --> 00:31:30,414
Speaker 3: you mean by that? Well, he, as a preacher, he

658
00:31:30,455 --> 00:31:34,094
Speaker 3: had no rival. He was, I think, probably the greatest

659
00:31:34,155 --> 00:31:38,305
Speaker 3: preacher in history. That's my opinion. And I love every

660
00:31:38,445 --> 00:31:41,345
Speaker 3: phase of him. I love the younger Billy. But my

661
00:31:41,465 --> 00:31:45,445
Speaker 3: favorite Billy was the older Billy, where he slowed down.

662
00:31:45,485 --> 00:31:50,825
Speaker 3: The younger Billy, he spoke very quickly. And moved around

663
00:31:50,905 --> 00:31:54,845
Speaker 3: a lot. But as he got older, he paused more.

664
00:31:56,165 --> 00:32:01,945
Speaker 3: He was the grandfather figure. But privately, he was such

665
00:32:01,985 --> 00:32:06,154
Speaker 3: a great listener. Like when you talk to your grandfather,

666
00:32:06,175 --> 00:32:09,634
Speaker 3: he would say, well, tell me about yourself. And I

667
00:32:09,675 --> 00:32:12,075
Speaker 3: was always asking him about people he had met. Tell me,

668
00:32:12,115 --> 00:32:15,495
Speaker 3: you met Golda Meir. You met Muhammad Ali. You met

669
00:32:15,535 --> 00:32:18,035
Speaker 3: this person. Tell me about them. He'd say a few things.

670
00:32:18,635 --> 00:32:20,715
Speaker 3: But then he would say, tell me about yourself. And

671
00:32:20,755 --> 00:32:23,995
Speaker 3: he really was interested in other people. He made you

672
00:32:24,094 --> 00:32:29,715
Speaker 3: feel very special. And just watching him interact with your grandmother.

673
00:32:29,735 --> 00:32:31,015
Speaker 2: What was the first time you met him?

674
00:32:31,695 --> 00:32:34,325
Speaker 3: I met him briefly in the 70s in a hallway.

675
00:32:34,965 --> 00:32:37,384
Speaker 3: Then I really kind of got to know him better

676
00:32:37,505 --> 00:32:42,065
Speaker 3: in 1985 when he was doing his crusade in Angel Stadium.

677
00:32:42,365 --> 00:32:45,145
Speaker 3: And I was a pastor at that point. And I'd

678
00:32:45,185 --> 00:32:49,245
Speaker 3: become friends with your father. And Billy asked me, I

679
00:32:49,325 --> 00:32:51,945
Speaker 3: want you to be a friend to my son. And

680
00:32:52,005 --> 00:32:53,344
Speaker 3: I said, I will.

681
00:32:53,725 --> 00:32:54,624
Speaker 2: How did you meet my dad?

682
00:32:54,645 --> 00:32:59,715
Speaker 3: I met your dad through Dennis Agajania. Of course. He said,

683
00:32:59,735 --> 00:33:01,975
Speaker 3: I want you to meet Franklin. So Franklin came up

684
00:33:02,015 --> 00:33:05,075
Speaker 3: to a midweek Bible study at our church. And then

685
00:33:05,115 --> 00:33:08,555
Speaker 3: we had a meal together. And then we became friends.

686
00:33:08,615 --> 00:33:10,775
Speaker 3: And we've known each other, my goodness, for so long.

687
00:33:11,885 --> 00:33:14,275
Speaker 3: And I have all these drawings I've done of your father.

688
00:33:14,295 --> 00:33:17,255
Speaker 3: And now I have to, you know, draw the older Franklin.

689
00:33:17,275 --> 00:33:18,095
Speaker 2: With the hair.

690
00:33:18,215 --> 00:33:22,655
Speaker 3: His hair's white now. But, you know, and I draw

691
00:33:22,675 --> 00:33:25,925
Speaker 3: Dennis Segajanian and Skip Pitek. We've all been friends for

692
00:33:25,945 --> 00:33:28,725
Speaker 3: so many years. And you kids have been friends with

693
00:33:28,765 --> 00:33:32,545
Speaker 3: the children, with Nathan and you and Christopher and Jonathan.

694
00:33:32,604 --> 00:33:38,815
Speaker 3: But just, you know, your grandfather was, he was just

695
00:33:38,875 --> 00:33:40,575
Speaker 3: such a joy to be around. And it was my

696
00:33:40,655 --> 00:33:42,894
Speaker 3: privilege to, to help him a little bit with the

697
00:33:42,935 --> 00:33:45,684
Speaker 3: sermon prep. Because as he was coming toward the end

698
00:33:45,705 --> 00:33:49,404
Speaker 3: of his crusade ministry, I was just starting mine. He said, Greg,

699
00:33:49,785 --> 00:33:52,884
Speaker 3: I want you to help me with my illustrations. So

700
00:33:52,925 --> 00:33:55,025
Speaker 3: I would go through his sermons and I would find

701
00:33:55,205 --> 00:33:59,124
Speaker 3: current illustrations that said what he wanted to say. I

702
00:33:59,745 --> 00:34:06,465
Speaker 3: remember one time he was speaking in Minnesota and smashing pumpkins.

703
00:34:07,844 --> 00:34:10,185
Speaker 3: Was popular at that point. The funny thing, the lead

704
00:34:10,205 --> 00:34:13,985
Speaker 3: singer of Smashing Pumpkins just came out recently and said

705
00:34:14,025 --> 00:34:16,985
Speaker 3: he's a Christian. That was interesting. But they had a

706
00:34:17,025 --> 00:34:19,725
Speaker 3: song called Rat in the Cage. So I wrote the

707
00:34:19,785 --> 00:34:24,405
Speaker 3: lyrics out. Smashing Pumpkins has a song called Rat in

708
00:34:24,425 --> 00:34:26,225
Speaker 3: the Cage. I gave some of the lyrics. Then I

709
00:34:26,245 --> 00:34:27,725
Speaker 3: put a note in the margin. Billy.

710
00:34:27,745 --> 00:34:27,845
Speaker 2: Billy.

711
00:34:28,415 --> 00:34:30,575
Speaker 3: This is a rock band. Because I thought, what is

712
00:34:30,595 --> 00:34:34,395
Speaker 3: he going to think? Smashing pumpkins. What does that even mean?

713
00:34:34,855 --> 00:34:37,475
Speaker 3: And when he delivered that little part of his message.

714
00:34:38,015 --> 00:34:39,255
Speaker 2: We need to see if we can find that. I

715
00:34:39,275 --> 00:34:40,735
Speaker 2: know we have it in our archives somewhere.

716
00:34:40,795 --> 00:34:44,594
Speaker 3: I listened to your grandfather on Sirius XM. I heard

717
00:34:44,655 --> 00:34:46,375
Speaker 3: the sermon. He did. And I heard him say it.

718
00:34:46,415 --> 00:34:49,395
Speaker 3: I was so excited because I thought, I've always wondered.

719
00:34:49,415 --> 00:34:52,295
Speaker 3: I think it was the 90s, early 90s. We should

720
00:34:52,335 --> 00:34:56,135
Speaker 3: try to find it. But I had more joy then.

721
00:34:56,985 --> 00:35:00,065
Speaker 3: Supplying something that helped him than even if I did

722
00:35:00,125 --> 00:35:03,745
Speaker 3: it in my own sermon, because he was just such

723
00:35:03,785 --> 00:35:08,635
Speaker 3: a wonderful man and great. And your grandmother, you know,

724
00:35:08,755 --> 00:35:11,215
Speaker 3: I probably spent more time with her than him because

725
00:35:11,255 --> 00:35:13,875
Speaker 3: he was gone so often. So we would speak at

726
00:35:13,915 --> 00:35:16,895
Speaker 3: the cove. And she would always invite us over for lunch.

727
00:35:16,995 --> 00:35:19,865
Speaker 3: She would order takeout from a Chinese restaurant.

728
00:35:19,875 --> 00:35:22,605
Speaker 2: And probably Haagen-Dazs vanilla ice cream with hot fudge.

729
00:35:22,725 --> 00:35:25,365
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she would wash the dishes after. You remember

730
00:35:25,405 --> 00:35:27,225
Speaker 3: that sign over her sink?

731
00:35:28,085 --> 00:35:29,065
Speaker 2: Oh no, over the sink?

732
00:35:29,185 --> 00:35:31,745
Speaker 1: Divine service rendered three times a day.

733
00:35:32,085 --> 00:35:34,755
Speaker 3: But the best part was the welcome mat. You went

734
00:35:34,815 --> 00:35:36,655
Speaker 3: up to the home of Billy and Ruth Graham and

735
00:35:36,675 --> 00:35:39,375
Speaker 3: the mat in front of the door said, not you again.

736
00:35:40,455 --> 00:35:41,475
Speaker 3: That was her humor though.

737
00:35:41,495 --> 00:35:44,455
Speaker 1: She had the best sense of humor. I think you're

738
00:35:45,585 --> 00:35:48,145
Speaker 1: Although I didn't spend a lot of time alone with

739
00:35:48,165 --> 00:35:52,435
Speaker 1: your grandmother, when we talk about people who have influenced

740
00:35:52,475 --> 00:35:56,595
Speaker 1: your life, I would say your grandmother influenced my life

741
00:35:58,375 --> 00:36:00,975
Speaker 1: through her books and her writings. Legacy of a Pack

742
00:36:01,015 --> 00:36:04,235
Speaker 1: Rat was so charming to read her notes, to read

743
00:36:04,415 --> 00:36:09,295
Speaker 1: also her biography. But what I really related to was

744
00:36:09,615 --> 00:36:11,115
Speaker 1: her book, Prodigals and Those Who Love Them.

745
00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:14,465
Speaker 3: Largely about your dad. Because when I was going through....

746
00:36:15,385 --> 00:36:18,805
Speaker 1: You know, those phases with Jonathan and then later with Christopher,

747
00:36:19,945 --> 00:36:24,145
Speaker 1: I found this friend, this amazing woman who, you know,

748
00:36:24,585 --> 00:36:26,445
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to put your grandmother and

749
00:36:26,465 --> 00:36:28,705
Speaker 1: grandfather like they're in stained glass, you know, that they

750
00:36:28,885 --> 00:36:32,075
Speaker 1: never had a problem. Everything was always perfect. But as

751
00:36:32,125 --> 00:36:36,215
Speaker 1: I read this, I saw the hurt in her own

752
00:36:36,275 --> 00:36:40,295
Speaker 1: life and where she went with that hurt. And rather

753
00:36:40,355 --> 00:36:42,715
Speaker 1: than give you a one, two, three formula, this is

754
00:36:42,755 --> 00:36:45,845
Speaker 1: how you get your prodigal to come back. she gave

755
00:36:45,995 --> 00:36:51,275
Speaker 1: me stories and illustrations and moments in her life that

756
00:36:51,475 --> 00:36:54,475
Speaker 1: I could just watch how she handled it and where

757
00:36:54,575 --> 00:36:58,375
Speaker 1: she took those pains, which you tell the story of St.

758
00:36:58,395 --> 00:37:02,025
Speaker 1: Augustine and his mother who prayed for him. And I

759
00:37:02,065 --> 00:37:04,905
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm not alone. I think sometimes when we

760
00:37:04,945 --> 00:37:08,225
Speaker 1: go through hard things and we were talking about mentoring or,

761
00:37:08,385 --> 00:37:11,844
Speaker 1: or even the importance of godly friendships is that we

762
00:37:11,905 --> 00:37:16,285
Speaker 1: learn so much and by just being around and watching.

763
00:37:16,885 --> 00:37:21,805
Speaker 1: And celebrity culture comes and goes. People disappoint us. They're

764
00:37:21,955 --> 00:37:27,695
Speaker 1: immediately elevated to great prominence. But when you find a Christian,

765
00:37:27,715 --> 00:37:31,375
Speaker 1: a leader who has lived enough life and lived a

766
00:37:31,555 --> 00:37:37,045
Speaker 1: transparent enough life through their writings, through their conversations, those

767
00:37:37,125 --> 00:37:40,545
Speaker 1: are the people that are worth sitting down at their

768
00:37:40,625 --> 00:37:41,925
Speaker 1: feet and learning from.

769
00:37:42,065 --> 00:37:43,685
Speaker 3: And what a wonderful balance she was.

770
00:37:43,705 --> 00:37:45,885
Speaker 1: Ruth was spiritual, but she wasn't religious.

771
00:37:45,905 --> 00:37:45,965
Speaker 2: No.

772
00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:49,305
Speaker 3: And by religious, I mean she was fun-loving. She was

773
00:37:49,405 --> 00:37:51,685
Speaker 3: quick to laugh. When I was around your grandfather, I

774
00:37:52,185 --> 00:37:55,375
Speaker 3: was always on my best behavior. Even after I got

775
00:37:55,415 --> 00:37:56,094
Speaker 3: to know him.

776
00:37:56,375 --> 00:37:58,495
Speaker 2: Did you ever do one embarrassing thing? You're like, oh,

777
00:37:58,515 --> 00:38:00,195
Speaker 2: I wish I just hadn't said that or done. Wish

778
00:38:00,235 --> 00:38:01,155
Speaker 2: I hadn't told that joke.

779
00:38:02,115 --> 00:38:06,335
Speaker 3: I'm sure I did. I remember once I was speaking

780
00:38:06,415 --> 00:38:08,415
Speaker 3: at the cove and your grandfather was sitting out there

781
00:38:08,845 --> 00:38:12,205
Speaker 3: And he just fully fell asleep. His head was back.

782
00:38:12,525 --> 00:38:15,265
Speaker 3: Slept through the whole sermon. So, you know, maybe I

783
00:38:15,285 --> 00:38:17,725
Speaker 3: should have given a better sermon than that. That time.

784
00:38:17,765 --> 00:38:20,455
Speaker 3: But I was always on my best behavior around him.

785
00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:23,215
Speaker 3: But I was so comfortable around Ruth. I was the

786
00:38:23,275 --> 00:38:27,335
Speaker 3: real me with the crazy jokes. And she laughed at everything.

787
00:38:27,355 --> 00:38:29,115
Speaker 2: She did. She had a sense of humor. If you

788
00:38:29,135 --> 00:38:30,775
Speaker 2: went to her house, you always had to be careful

789
00:38:30,795 --> 00:38:32,645
Speaker 2: she served you cake. Because she would put things in

790
00:38:32,665 --> 00:38:35,105
Speaker 2: the cake. And you could, like, choke on it or

791
00:38:35,145 --> 00:38:37,985
Speaker 2: break a tooth or... She would have little mice hidden

792
00:38:38,005 --> 00:38:38,945
Speaker 2: in her walls.

793
00:38:39,065 --> 00:38:42,045
Speaker 1: Oh, she had a bird, like an old bird's nest

794
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:44,385
Speaker 1: that she had probably found in the yard somewhere. And

795
00:38:44,405 --> 00:38:45,645
Speaker 1: she'd have it tucked into her bean.

796
00:38:45,665 --> 00:38:48,745
Speaker 3: Remember what she gave Jonathan? Jonathan came to her home

797
00:38:48,825 --> 00:38:51,155
Speaker 3: and the Toy Story film had just come out, the

798
00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:54,595
Speaker 3: first one. And the Woody character has a little holster,

799
00:38:54,995 --> 00:38:57,395
Speaker 3: but they didn't give him a gun. And Ruth looked

800
00:38:57,415 --> 00:39:00,055
Speaker 3: at him and said, well, where's his gun? And so

801
00:39:00,095 --> 00:39:02,175
Speaker 3: she went out and took a little twig and broke it.

802
00:39:02,665 --> 00:39:05,405
Speaker 3: just the right size for Woody's little holster. So Woody

803
00:39:05,445 --> 00:39:06,025
Speaker 3: had a gun.

804
00:39:06,125 --> 00:39:07,145
Speaker 2: I've never heard that story.

805
00:39:07,165 --> 00:39:10,085
Speaker 1: It was so adorable. I wish I had the Woody

806
00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:11,545
Speaker 1: and I wish I had that little twig.

807
00:39:11,565 --> 00:39:14,445
Speaker 3: How about the time when George Beverly Shea was firing

808
00:39:14,565 --> 00:39:17,765
Speaker 3: a machine gun into the woods? Your grandfather was gone.

809
00:39:17,785 --> 00:39:19,185
Speaker 3: I don't know if he would have approved of this,

810
00:39:19,245 --> 00:39:23,035
Speaker 3: but Franklin had some kind of a machine gun and

811
00:39:23,495 --> 00:39:27,295
Speaker 3: Bev Shea, the great song leader, firing it into the woods.

812
00:39:27,335 --> 00:39:30,005
Speaker 1: And I thought, And your grandmother thought it was.

813
00:39:30,305 --> 00:39:31,045
Speaker 3: She loved it.

814
00:39:31,105 --> 00:39:32,705
Speaker 2: She loved it. She loved people in her home.

815
00:39:32,725 --> 00:39:34,075
Speaker 1: She was so spiritual.

816
00:39:34,365 --> 00:39:35,375
Speaker 3: She's very hospitable.

817
00:39:35,675 --> 00:39:39,015
Speaker 1: But naturally spiritual in that she didn't.

818
00:39:38,795 --> 00:39:40,675
Speaker 3: Put on any airs. The best version of spiritual.

819
00:39:40,855 --> 00:39:40,935
Speaker 2: Yeah.

820
00:39:40,955 --> 00:39:42,195
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you talk.

821
00:39:42,135 --> 00:39:42,875
Speaker 2: About her grace.

822
00:39:42,895 --> 00:39:44,115
Speaker 1: The sanctified humor.

823
00:39:44,255 --> 00:39:47,595
Speaker 2: She loved people so well. And you talked about the

824
00:39:47,615 --> 00:39:51,175
Speaker 2: prodigal son earlier. You know, we never felt that pressure.

825
00:39:51,195 --> 00:39:53,895
Speaker 2: I've always remembered this quote when somebody was asking her

826
00:39:53,935 --> 00:39:56,335
Speaker 2: about raising my dad. And she goes, well, God had

827
00:39:56,355 --> 00:39:58,535
Speaker 2: a problem with his own children. Of course we're going

828
00:39:58,555 --> 00:39:58,915
Speaker 2: to have problems.

829
00:39:58,935 --> 00:40:00,015
Speaker 1: He had prodigals too.

830
00:40:00,325 --> 00:40:03,035
Speaker 2: But for you, you've often said, you know, walking through

831
00:40:03,055 --> 00:40:06,305
Speaker 2: with a prodigal child. And you were just stating it.

832
00:40:06,925 --> 00:40:10,445
Speaker 2: How do you find that balance? You are in a spotlight. Mm-hmm.

833
00:40:10,845 --> 00:40:16,805
Speaker 2: You are at a pulpit. You're teaching women's study. And

834
00:40:16,825 --> 00:40:19,155
Speaker 2: then your heart is breaking because you know you have

835
00:40:19,195 --> 00:40:22,275
Speaker 2: a son not choosing to walk with the Lord. How

836
00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:23,094
Speaker 2: did you balance that?

837
00:40:23,895 --> 00:40:28,315
Speaker 1: It was interesting. Our boys were never outwardly rebellious. They

838
00:40:28,335 --> 00:40:32,875
Speaker 1: were never disrespectful to our face, ever. And I know

839
00:40:32,915 --> 00:40:37,375
Speaker 1: that's not the story of a lot of parents. I

840
00:40:37,395 --> 00:40:40,035
Speaker 1: think our boys loved us and didn't want to hurt us.

841
00:40:40,625 --> 00:40:42,265
Speaker 1: So they lived their prodigal life.

842
00:40:42,905 --> 00:40:45,485
Speaker 2: Did you know they were living a prodigal life? 100%.

843
00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:49,825
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 100%, especially with Christopher. When he moved out

844
00:40:49,845 --> 00:40:51,495
Speaker 1: and was living on his own and he was going

845
00:40:51,535 --> 00:40:57,135
Speaker 1: to art school and he was working at a graphic

846
00:40:57,175 --> 00:41:01,685
Speaker 1: design company. And I had no idea the depth of

847
00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:05,355
Speaker 1: what he was going through and his struggles. I felt

848
00:41:05,415 --> 00:41:08,055
Speaker 1: like for us living in the spotlight, there was a

849
00:41:08,095 --> 00:41:11,094
Speaker 1: certain degree of we want to protect our kids. They

850
00:41:11,165 --> 00:41:14,325
Speaker 1: are not public figures. They're our kids. So we never

851
00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:19,865
Speaker 1: took them into the pulpit as illustrations or shared their stories.

852
00:41:19,965 --> 00:41:22,905
Speaker 1: When the time came, they were able to share their

853
00:41:22,945 --> 00:41:27,455
Speaker 1: own story. And Jonathan has spoken incredibly beautifully and publicly

854
00:41:27,535 --> 00:41:31,155
Speaker 1: about his prodigal journey. And that's his story to tell.

855
00:41:31,795 --> 00:41:36,605
Speaker 1: Greg always was very... He always, always wanted to keep

856
00:41:36,645 --> 00:41:40,465
Speaker 1: that door open of communication, that there was always, we

857
00:41:40,505 --> 00:41:44,325
Speaker 1: were always there to love and support them and to

858
00:41:44,385 --> 00:41:46,285
Speaker 1: speak out when they were doing the wrong things and

859
00:41:46,325 --> 00:41:49,755
Speaker 1: tell them the truth, 100% on that. But, you know,

860
00:41:49,775 --> 00:41:52,515
Speaker 1: for Christopher, he was an adult. Jonathan, to some degree,

861
00:41:52,555 --> 00:41:54,575
Speaker 1: was also an adult. He was in his 20s by

862
00:41:54,615 --> 00:41:57,655
Speaker 1: the time he was really going after, you know, he's

863
00:41:57,675 --> 00:42:00,134
Speaker 1: trying to live in one foot in both worlds. What

864
00:42:00,195 --> 00:42:02,355
Speaker 1: is so strange to see is that they were in

865
00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:06,705
Speaker 1: the church. They were in Sunday. They were in the

866
00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:10,344
Speaker 1: front row listening to sermons. And I think that's where

867
00:42:11,105 --> 00:42:16,515
Speaker 1: the wrenching was in their life. They had the truth

868
00:42:16,555 --> 00:42:19,495
Speaker 1: of the gospel. Thank God they would both say we

869
00:42:19,515 --> 00:42:22,825
Speaker 1: were never hypocrites in the home. We were not perfect, obviously.

870
00:42:22,845 --> 00:42:24,525
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says a lot that they wanted to honor

871
00:42:24,565 --> 00:42:25,485
Speaker 2: you still.

872
00:42:25,545 --> 00:42:29,625
Speaker 1: They did. And Greg was really— there were times when I

873
00:42:29,665 --> 00:42:34,815
Speaker 1: would get very angry sometimes. With Christopher and Greg would

874
00:42:34,855 --> 00:42:36,515
Speaker 1: come to me and say, Kathy, that's not the hill

875
00:42:36,555 --> 00:42:41,525
Speaker 1: you want to die on. Don't make that the big

876
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,585
Speaker 1: conflict in the home over whatever. You got home late

877
00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:46,725
Speaker 1: or you left your room messy or you did whatever.

878
00:42:47,445 --> 00:42:52,305
Speaker 1: He always wanted Christopher to have an open conversation or relationship.

879
00:42:52,405 --> 00:42:55,325
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I mean, when they're little, it's like, oh,

880
00:42:55,345 --> 00:42:57,425
Speaker 1: clean up after yourself and do your chores and do that.

881
00:42:57,465 --> 00:43:00,485
Speaker 1: And then they'll come to those years, teenage years where

882
00:43:00,525 --> 00:43:04,435
Speaker 1: you realize, If you fight at every front, you're going

883
00:43:04,455 --> 00:43:09,515
Speaker 1: to lose the relationship. So like Dr. Dobson says, you

884
00:43:09,535 --> 00:43:13,545
Speaker 1: just like the rapids. You're on whitewater rapids as you're

885
00:43:13,605 --> 00:43:15,665
Speaker 1: going through those adolescent years.

886
00:43:15,705 --> 00:43:20,695
Speaker 3: You have a teenager now, sissy. Dr. Dobson said, you know,

887
00:43:20,755 --> 00:43:23,685
Speaker 3: raising a teenager is like, Being in a boat on

888
00:43:23,705 --> 00:43:26,715
Speaker 3: the rapids, your objective is just survive it.

889
00:43:26,825 --> 00:43:29,285
Speaker 1: Hold on. And this is the guy who wrote Dare

890
00:43:29,325 --> 00:43:29,885
Speaker 1: to Discipline.

891
00:43:29,925 --> 00:43:30,245
Speaker 3: Yes.

892
00:43:30,305 --> 00:43:30,485
Speaker 2: Right?

893
00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:31,165
Speaker 1: When they're little.

894
00:43:31,345 --> 00:43:33,325
Speaker 3: But some are easier than others, so too.

895
00:43:33,325 --> 00:43:34,485
Speaker 1: 100%.

896
00:43:34,485 --> 00:43:36,565
Speaker 2: My oldest two are probably the easiest. My third one's

897
00:43:36,605 --> 00:43:38,245
Speaker 2: to come. She's a tough cookie.

898
00:43:38,265 --> 00:43:38,605
Speaker 3: Yes.

899
00:43:39,095 --> 00:43:42,875
Speaker 2: Kathy, I remember you one time told me, and something

900
00:43:42,935 --> 00:43:44,895
Speaker 2: I've thought about ever since, you one time told me

901
00:43:44,935 --> 00:43:49,075
Speaker 2: that God had taken one son and gave you back another.

902
00:43:49,235 --> 00:43:50,315
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

903
00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:51,815
Speaker 2: Can you explain that?

904
00:43:52,705 --> 00:43:53,265
Speaker 3: Yeah.

905
00:43:53,725 --> 00:43:56,165
Speaker 2: And that's hard. Those are hard words for a mom.

906
00:43:57,275 --> 00:44:03,235
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it until maybe six months later. The struggle,

907
00:44:03,255 --> 00:44:06,995
Speaker 1: the deep struggle that Jonathan was in. I mean, he

908
00:44:07,035 --> 00:44:10,295
Speaker 1: was really struggling. He wanted to walk with the Lord,

909
00:44:10,415 --> 00:44:13,515
Speaker 1: but he had a circle of friends and he had

910
00:44:13,735 --> 00:44:16,315
Speaker 1: habits and he would even say addictions to things that

911
00:44:16,375 --> 00:44:19,295
Speaker 1: he couldn't. And he tried, he would try on his

912
00:44:19,475 --> 00:44:22,694
Speaker 1: own to stop. But then he would be tempted again,

913
00:44:22,755 --> 00:44:25,695
Speaker 1: and the very next day, he'd find himself back in

914
00:44:25,735 --> 00:44:29,965
Speaker 1: that cycle. And so he was going through that. Christopher

915
00:44:30,025 --> 00:44:32,485
Speaker 1: had settled. He had come through those prodigal years. He

916
00:44:32,505 --> 00:44:35,825
Speaker 1: was married. He had a child. He had another child

917
00:44:36,105 --> 00:44:39,705
Speaker 1: on the way. And when the Lord took Christopher suddenly

918
00:44:39,765 --> 00:44:44,875
Speaker 1: that day, I was so consumed with my thoughts of Greg,

919
00:44:45,075 --> 00:44:49,215
Speaker 1: number one. Number two, Brittany, my daughter-in-law, who was a

920
00:44:49,315 --> 00:44:52,615
Speaker 1: relatively young believer, I thought, What if she walks away?

921
00:44:53,375 --> 00:44:55,815
Speaker 1: What if she just literally says, this is your God.

922
00:44:56,135 --> 00:44:59,335
Speaker 1: And he takes my husband, leaves me with a two-year-old

923
00:44:59,495 --> 00:45:01,655
Speaker 1: and I'm pregnant. What kind of a God is that?

924
00:45:01,715 --> 00:45:03,815
Speaker 1: And so I was just like, I've got to help

925
00:45:03,855 --> 00:45:08,435
Speaker 1: her stand steady. And then there was Jonathan and he

926
00:45:08,475 --> 00:45:11,125
Speaker 1: came home that day and he walked in the front

927
00:45:11,165 --> 00:45:15,065
Speaker 1: door and my mind was on Stella, our two-year-old granddaughter.

928
00:45:15,125 --> 00:45:16,945
Speaker 1: My mind was on Brittany. I feared that she might

929
00:45:16,985 --> 00:45:20,235
Speaker 1: lose her child. My fear was that She may walk away.

930
00:45:20,275 --> 00:45:22,015
Speaker 1: She may drive away in the car this afternoon. I

931
00:45:22,035 --> 00:45:24,105
Speaker 1: may never see her again. She might say, I don't

932
00:45:24,125 --> 00:45:26,045
Speaker 1: want anything to do with you or your family. And

933
00:45:26,105 --> 00:45:28,305
Speaker 1: I thought, what are we going to do? And so

934
00:45:28,365 --> 00:45:31,405
Speaker 1: I missed what happened, what was happening in Jonathan's heart.

935
00:45:32,165 --> 00:45:34,485
Speaker 1: But he's shared the story. He went up to his

936
00:45:34,545 --> 00:45:37,255
Speaker 1: room and took all the things that he knew that

937
00:45:37,835 --> 00:45:40,115
Speaker 1: were temptations for him. And he gathered them up and

938
00:45:40,135 --> 00:45:43,655
Speaker 1: he threw them away. And he rededicated his life to

939
00:45:43,675 --> 00:45:46,075
Speaker 1: the Lord. And it was Levi Lusko who actually came

940
00:45:46,135 --> 00:45:50,245
Speaker 1: to us and told us, within a week or two

941
00:45:50,545 --> 00:45:54,625
Speaker 1: of that happening, he says, Jonathan wants to quit his job.

942
00:45:54,645 --> 00:45:57,225
Speaker 1: He had a great job with a future and a

943
00:45:57,265 --> 00:46:01,805
Speaker 1: good promising career to make a living for himself that

944
00:46:01,825 --> 00:46:03,865
Speaker 1: he wanted to quit his job. And he said, I

945
00:46:04,625 --> 00:46:06,085
Speaker 1: want to quit my job and I want to help

946
00:46:06,105 --> 00:46:10,265
Speaker 1: my dad. And I was like, we never put on

947
00:46:10,305 --> 00:46:12,905
Speaker 1: our kids that you will serve God in ministry. We

948
00:46:12,925 --> 00:46:16,475
Speaker 1: just said, just love the Lord. There was never that expectation.

949
00:46:16,535 --> 00:46:19,295
Speaker 1: So when he said that, I was like, Lord, I

950
00:46:19,475 --> 00:46:22,755
Speaker 1: was like, what does that even mean? But I knew

951
00:46:22,795 --> 00:46:27,475
Speaker 1: that it was this complete 180 in his life that

952
00:46:27,575 --> 00:46:33,525
Speaker 1: he said that. And in reflecting, you know, there were

953
00:46:33,565 --> 00:46:38,745
Speaker 1: times in my journal when I wrote, Lord, why did

954
00:46:38,925 --> 00:46:42,094
Speaker 1: I have to lose Christopher in order to see this

955
00:46:42,495 --> 00:46:45,935
Speaker 1: transformation in Jonathan? And I don't have an answer to

956
00:46:45,975 --> 00:46:48,815
Speaker 1: that question. I don't think that's what God does. Oh,

957
00:46:48,815 --> 00:46:50,495
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this one and give you that one.

958
00:46:51,335 --> 00:46:55,735
Speaker 1: But that was definitely the good things that come out

959
00:46:55,795 --> 00:46:57,875
Speaker 1: of the bad things that I could say. The bad

960
00:46:57,915 --> 00:47:01,665
Speaker 1: is still bad. Losing Christopher was the most traumatic and

961
00:47:01,705 --> 00:47:05,405
Speaker 1: difficult thing we've ever been through and continues to be

962
00:47:05,425 --> 00:47:07,525
Speaker 1: a hard thing in my life and a sad thing

963
00:47:07,565 --> 00:47:10,245
Speaker 1: in my life. But the fact that I've seen this

964
00:47:11,045 --> 00:47:16,025
Speaker 1: result and And Jonathan one day will stand next to

965
00:47:16,045 --> 00:47:19,305
Speaker 1: his brother Christopher in eternity and say, you know, when

966
00:47:19,365 --> 00:47:24,045
Speaker 1: you died, I got new life. Out of that came my,

967
00:47:24,605 --> 00:47:28,465
Speaker 1: you know, my spiritual life, my ministry, and now my

968
00:47:28,565 --> 00:47:32,185
Speaker 1: family and my children. And it's a beautiful thing, but

969
00:47:32,225 --> 00:47:33,695
Speaker 1: it's still a sad thing. I still get a lump

970
00:47:33,775 --> 00:47:35,455
Speaker 1: in my throat when I say it because, yeah.

971
00:47:36,955 --> 00:47:38,495
Speaker 3: It's great. I'm sorry.

972
00:47:38,515 --> 00:47:39,675
Speaker 2: Can I ask you one question?

973
00:47:39,695 --> 00:47:39,855
Speaker 3: Please.

974
00:47:39,875 --> 00:47:43,165
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to ask you about this. I remember

975
00:47:44,165 --> 00:47:48,045
Speaker 2: my dad's conversation with you after Christopher. And you had

976
00:47:48,065 --> 00:47:50,245
Speaker 2: a lot of conversations, and I'm sure that those days

977
00:47:50,315 --> 00:47:52,895
Speaker 2: are blurry. You might not even remember it. And I

978
00:47:52,915 --> 00:47:55,295
Speaker 2: remember when my dad got off. I just can't believe.

979
00:47:55,355 --> 00:47:57,315
Speaker 2: That was like tough love. Like, Dad, how could you

980
00:47:57,355 --> 00:48:00,255
Speaker 2: say that? And I remember him telling you.

981
00:48:00,275 --> 00:48:03,805
Speaker 1: How old were you? Well, Jonathan was.

982
00:48:03,825 --> 00:48:05,025
Speaker 2: I was the same as Jonathan. We were born the

983
00:48:05,065 --> 00:48:05,525
Speaker 2: same week.

984
00:48:05,745 --> 00:48:09,025
Speaker 1: He was 21. You were 21. You were 21.

985
00:48:09,025 --> 00:48:11,005
Speaker 2: I can't remember if I'd just gotten married or not

986
00:48:11,025 --> 00:48:16,025
Speaker 2: married yet, but I just remember my dad encouraging you

987
00:48:16,045 --> 00:48:20,035
Speaker 2: or telling you, Greg, get back in your pulpit this Sunday.

988
00:48:20,055 --> 00:48:25,055
Speaker 2: Tell your congregation you're hurting, you're in pain, but tell

989
00:48:25,075 --> 00:48:28,215
Speaker 2: them you're still preaching. And you didn't give a message.

990
00:48:28,235 --> 00:48:30,455
Speaker 2: I don't believe you gave a message, but you did address.

991
00:48:31,355 --> 00:48:34,625
Speaker 2: And I remember my dad asking, or when my dad

992
00:48:34,645 --> 00:48:35,885
Speaker 2: got off, I said, dad, why would you tell him

993
00:48:35,905 --> 00:48:37,365
Speaker 2: to get up and give him a break? Give him

994
00:48:37,385 --> 00:48:40,875
Speaker 2: some time off. And he said, no, Satan doesn't need

995
00:48:40,935 --> 00:48:43,615
Speaker 2: any room to get in Greg's heart. He needs to

996
00:48:43,655 --> 00:48:44,895
Speaker 2: be reminded God is good.

997
00:48:45,155 --> 00:48:49,694
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, that was good advice. And that's what I did.

998
00:48:50,115 --> 00:48:50,715
Speaker 1: Yeah.

999
00:48:50,775 --> 00:48:55,105
Speaker 3: I actually, Christopher died on a Thursday. And we were

1000
00:48:55,145 --> 00:48:58,565
Speaker 3: in church on Sunday. Yeah. And I remember people saying,

1001
00:48:58,625 --> 00:49:00,885
Speaker 3: we couldn't believe you were in church. It took so

1002
00:49:00,925 --> 00:49:04,225
Speaker 3: much strength. I thought, gosh, strength. Where else would we be?

1003
00:49:04,725 --> 00:49:08,015
Speaker 3: I was weak. I was weak. I needed church. I

1004
00:49:08,095 --> 00:49:11,475
Speaker 3: needed the Word of God. I needed to worship. There

1005
00:49:11,515 --> 00:49:14,565
Speaker 3: was no place I would rather be. And I did

1006
00:49:14,605 --> 00:49:17,805
Speaker 3: get up in the pulpit. And the last song that

1007
00:49:17,845 --> 00:49:20,065
Speaker 3: was sung by our worship band before I got up

1008
00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:23,495
Speaker 3: there was I Still Believe, a song written by Jeremy

1009
00:49:23,555 --> 00:49:27,945
Speaker 3: Camp after his wife died. i still believe in your

1010
00:49:28,025 --> 00:49:31,525
Speaker 3: faithfulness i still believe in your love and i don't

1011
00:49:31,545 --> 00:49:33,864
Speaker 3: remember what i had planned on saying but i just

1012
00:49:34,025 --> 00:49:36,745
Speaker 3: led with that and i walked up and said i

1013
00:49:36,805 --> 00:49:41,365
Speaker 3: still believe and you know it was a hard moment

1014
00:49:41,485 --> 00:49:45,275
Speaker 3: but A very important moment. And, you know, we have

1015
00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:49,375
Speaker 3: to just, when we're facing this crisis, we have to

1016
00:49:49,495 --> 00:49:53,155
Speaker 3: face the reality of it, but take hold of the

1017
00:49:53,255 --> 00:49:57,465
Speaker 3: promises of God and God will strengthen us and give

1018
00:49:57,525 --> 00:49:59,785
Speaker 3: us the strength we need when we need it. And

1019
00:50:00,605 --> 00:50:02,685
Speaker 3: just a week or two after that, I preached at

1020
00:50:02,745 --> 00:50:07,384
Speaker 3: our crusade. And that was like, people say, was that hard? No,

1021
00:50:07,685 --> 00:50:11,425
Speaker 3: everything else was hard except that. And the reason for

1022
00:50:11,465 --> 00:50:14,015
Speaker 3: that was, You know, prior to that, I'm just dealing

1023
00:50:14,055 --> 00:50:16,735
Speaker 3: with the pain, the loss that, you know, all the

1024
00:50:16,795 --> 00:50:19,475
Speaker 3: things that come with it. And being a public person,

1025
00:50:19,995 --> 00:50:22,875
Speaker 3: everyone comes up to you. Many people you don't know

1026
00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:26,595
Speaker 3: with their words of whatever those words are. Some are

1027
00:50:26,635 --> 00:50:29,215
Speaker 3: meant to be comforting. I heard a lot of crazy

1028
00:50:29,275 --> 00:50:32,055
Speaker 3: things that weren't always that helpful. But when I got

1029
00:50:32,115 --> 00:50:34,475
Speaker 3: on that pulpit, I knew I have a job to do.

1030
00:50:34,515 --> 00:50:37,415
Speaker 3: And it was interesting because Christopher, being an artist, had

1031
00:50:37,455 --> 00:50:39,555
Speaker 3: designed all the art that was on the screen. So

1032
00:50:39,575 --> 00:50:42,665
Speaker 3: I was surrounded by his designs. that he had built

1033
00:50:42,725 --> 00:50:45,925
Speaker 3: for that crusade. That inspired me. And I thought of

1034
00:50:45,965 --> 00:50:49,125
Speaker 3: him in heaven. And I thought there's nothing I would

1035
00:50:49,225 --> 00:50:53,195
Speaker 3: rather do than point people to Christ. And you know,

1036
00:50:53,235 --> 00:50:55,475
Speaker 3: the Bible says that there's joy in the presence of

1037
00:50:55,515 --> 00:50:58,855
Speaker 3: the angels over one sinner that comes to repentance. So

1038
00:50:58,935 --> 00:51:01,335
Speaker 3: as we saw people come to Christ in that crusade

1039
00:51:01,375 --> 00:51:05,865
Speaker 3: in particular in 2008, I thought, well, maybe Christopher's aware

1040
00:51:05,905 --> 00:51:08,665
Speaker 3: of this. There's a shout in heaven as people believe.

1041
00:51:08,705 --> 00:51:11,705
Speaker 3: And maybe he even knows that this was connected to

1042
00:51:11,765 --> 00:51:16,345
Speaker 3: his life. So that was my moment of relief because

1043
00:51:16,405 --> 00:51:18,425
Speaker 3: I had to be, you know, when you're preaching the gospel,

1044
00:51:18,445 --> 00:51:21,645
Speaker 3: you've got to focus. You can't be thinking about yourself

1045
00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:23,745
Speaker 3: or anything else. Like I have a job to do

1046
00:51:24,425 --> 00:51:27,865
Speaker 3: and I've got to do this job well. And so

1047
00:51:28,665 --> 00:51:33,555
Speaker 3: that's what I did. But your father's advice was, was

1048
00:51:33,595 --> 00:51:40,145
Speaker 3: really helpful. Franklin, you know, Franklin's very blunt. He'll always

1049
00:51:40,205 --> 00:51:44,405
Speaker 3: tell you his opinion. And, you know, we've had our

1050
00:51:44,445 --> 00:51:49,745
Speaker 3: little disagreements here and there, but I've never doubted his

1051
00:51:49,825 --> 00:51:52,785
Speaker 3: love for me, his friendship that we have had, and

1052
00:51:52,825 --> 00:51:54,745
Speaker 3: he's been a true friend, and I've tried to be

1053
00:51:54,925 --> 00:51:59,715
Speaker 3: a true friend to him too. And it was good

1054
00:51:59,755 --> 00:52:00,295
Speaker 3: to hear that.

1055
00:52:00,315 --> 00:52:00,395
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1056
00:52:01,045 --> 00:52:05,015
Speaker 3: But I do remember also that, you know, he wanted

1057
00:52:05,035 --> 00:52:07,415
Speaker 3: to help me in his way. You know, your dad's

1058
00:52:07,455 --> 00:52:09,855
Speaker 3: very strong, but he's very tenderhearted.

1059
00:52:09,855 --> 00:52:10,915
Speaker 1: 100%.

1060
00:52:10,915 --> 00:52:14,895
Speaker 3: You know, and you've seen that. I've seen that. When

1061
00:52:14,915 --> 00:52:18,075
Speaker 3: he goes and ministers to hurting people, I mean, so

1062
00:52:18,095 --> 00:52:21,205
Speaker 3: much of what he does isn't in the press. We

1063
00:52:21,245 --> 00:52:24,065
Speaker 3: see him preaching. We see him making a bold stand

1064
00:52:24,105 --> 00:52:26,545
Speaker 3: on this topic or that topic. But so much of

1065
00:52:26,585 --> 00:52:30,665
Speaker 3: what he does is helping people. people experiencing the worst

1066
00:52:30,785 --> 00:52:36,205
Speaker 3: pain imaginable, but not just hurting. He's doing something. And

1067
00:52:36,285 --> 00:52:39,925
Speaker 3: he's a great strategist, in addition to being a great preacher.

1068
00:52:40,025 --> 00:52:43,995
Speaker 3: He knows how to do, like, let's do this. And

1069
00:52:44,035 --> 00:52:46,775
Speaker 3: he'll come up with a plan, and it will be

1070
00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:50,515
Speaker 3: a practical plan and an effective plan that will help

1071
00:52:50,555 --> 00:52:54,435
Speaker 3: people not only spiritually, but in their immediate needs as well.

1072
00:52:54,495 --> 00:52:57,795
Speaker 2: I think as I get older, I'm so thankful. Yeah.

1073
00:52:58,345 --> 00:53:02,705
Speaker 2: for parents, but also their friends. And y'all are that,

1074
00:53:02,865 --> 00:53:07,105
Speaker 2: and you have been steady through all the tribulations you

1075
00:53:07,145 --> 00:53:11,055
Speaker 2: faced in the heartache. You've never taken your eyes off

1076
00:53:11,075 --> 00:53:14,674
Speaker 2: the cross. And I think that was my heart behind

1077
00:53:14,715 --> 00:53:17,555
Speaker 2: writing these words was that we have a destination and

1078
00:53:17,575 --> 00:53:21,345
Speaker 2: that destination is heaven. And when we have a destination,

1079
00:53:21,375 --> 00:53:25,045
Speaker 2: it gives us a hope. And so, We are to

1080
00:53:25,185 --> 00:53:26,685
Speaker 2: speak it. We are to teach it. We are to

1081
00:53:26,745 --> 00:53:29,645
Speaker 2: live it with urgency. You've always done that. You've been

1082
00:53:29,685 --> 00:53:32,665
Speaker 2: a pastor, but you've been an evangelist. Very little do

1083
00:53:32,685 --> 00:53:36,345
Speaker 2: we see pastors evangelizing behind the pulpit anymore. And I

1084
00:53:36,385 --> 00:53:38,685
Speaker 2: just want to say thank you. It's not just my

1085
00:53:38,745 --> 00:53:41,925
Speaker 2: family's legacy. It's their friends that have walked. I've watched y'all,

1086
00:53:42,065 --> 00:53:46,995
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Skip, you, we as children, and Dennis.

1087
00:53:47,635 --> 00:53:50,375
Speaker 2: We've watched y'all live faithfully and never taken your eyes

1088
00:53:50,415 --> 00:53:53,154
Speaker 2: off the cross, especially in a world where there's so

1089
00:53:53,215 --> 00:53:57,725
Speaker 2: many pastors. who are fallen with pride or temptation and

1090
00:53:57,895 --> 00:53:58,795
Speaker 2: some kind of sin.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the friendships we have. I think that,

1092
00:54:04,075 --> 00:54:07,755
Speaker 1: you know, we are called to walk our lives before

1093
00:54:07,795 --> 00:54:10,515
Speaker 1: the Lord in a relationship with him, a personal relationship

1094
00:54:10,555 --> 00:54:13,825
Speaker 1: with Christ. But we are also called to be part

1095
00:54:14,165 --> 00:54:18,464
Speaker 1: of a family and part. I mean, Jesus had Peter, James,

1096
00:54:18,525 --> 00:54:21,525
Speaker 1: and John. He had 12 apostles. Then he also had

1097
00:54:21,925 --> 00:54:24,805
Speaker 1: a multitude of people that followed him, others who served

1098
00:54:24,825 --> 00:54:27,955
Speaker 1: him in ministry, including the women. But he had these

1099
00:54:28,015 --> 00:54:32,855
Speaker 1: three close friends. And I think that today, in a

1100
00:54:32,915 --> 00:54:37,864
Speaker 1: day where we have friends on Facebook or followers on Instagram,

1101
00:54:38,225 --> 00:54:41,364
Speaker 1: these are not people. These are just numbers. Who knows

1102
00:54:41,405 --> 00:54:44,425
Speaker 1: who they are? But we really need to be rooted

1103
00:54:44,565 --> 00:54:49,325
Speaker 1: in communities where we have genuine, authentic, godly friendships and

1104
00:54:49,445 --> 00:54:55,395
Speaker 1: choosing your friends wisely. And we are all influenced. Even

1105
00:54:55,435 --> 00:54:57,535
Speaker 1: though we would like to think we're not, we are

1106
00:54:57,595 --> 00:55:00,245
Speaker 1: going to be influenced by the people that are closest

1107
00:55:00,305 --> 00:55:02,285
Speaker 1: to us. You know, like girls in high school, you'll

1108
00:55:02,325 --> 00:55:05,165
Speaker 1: find them starting to talk like each other. They'll use

1109
00:55:05,205 --> 00:55:09,145
Speaker 1: the same expressions or dress alike. You see it oftentimes

1110
00:55:09,205 --> 00:55:12,445
Speaker 1: in this. But even as adults, we can be influenced.

1111
00:55:12,465 --> 00:55:19,885
Speaker 1: And so to me, really being intentional in finding godly friendships,

1112
00:55:19,985 --> 00:55:24,285
Speaker 1: biblical friendships, friendships, people whose highest priority is to follow

1113
00:55:24,325 --> 00:55:28,305
Speaker 1: the Lord, but also have the love in their hearts

1114
00:55:28,485 --> 00:55:32,904
Speaker 1: to include others and share. It's not a competition. We're

1115
00:55:32,925 --> 00:55:35,865
Speaker 1: not trying to outdo each other. We are trying to

1116
00:55:35,945 --> 00:55:38,525
Speaker 1: encourage each other. What your dad did for Greg saying,

1117
00:55:38,545 --> 00:55:41,265
Speaker 1: you know, get back in the pulpit is like giving

1118
00:55:41,365 --> 00:55:45,395
Speaker 1: Greg a focus because sometimes in grief, you can just

1119
00:55:45,435 --> 00:55:49,295
Speaker 1: get stuck and you just stay sad and you don't see.

1120
00:55:49,735 --> 00:55:53,285
Speaker 1: And the more you indulge in wallowing your sorrows and

1121
00:55:53,305 --> 00:55:55,625
Speaker 1: your sadness. You don't want to leave the room. I

1122
00:55:55,665 --> 00:55:58,045
Speaker 1: can understand that. There were times you just want to

1123
00:55:58,085 --> 00:55:59,345
Speaker 1: pull the shades and just say, I don't want to

1124
00:55:59,365 --> 00:56:01,025
Speaker 1: go out. I don't want to see anybody. I want

1125
00:56:01,045 --> 00:56:04,825
Speaker 1: to do anything. And you just stay stuck. And that's

1126
00:56:04,885 --> 00:56:08,465
Speaker 1: not good. But grief also needs a purpose. And when

1127
00:56:08,505 --> 00:56:12,305
Speaker 1: you say heaven is a destination, but heaven is also

1128
00:56:12,345 --> 00:56:16,665
Speaker 1: a motivation. And God saves us for a reason. He

1129
00:56:16,725 --> 00:56:18,665
Speaker 1: saves us for a purpose. And I see that in

1130
00:56:18,705 --> 00:56:20,995
Speaker 1: your life. I see that in Greg's life. I'm happy

1131
00:56:21,015 --> 00:56:24,555
Speaker 1: to be standing behind him and supporting him in his calling.

1132
00:56:25,635 --> 00:56:28,515
Speaker 1: That's my calling. I'm called to be his wife. So

1133
00:56:29,095 --> 00:56:32,344
Speaker 1: that's a great joy for me and for my ministry

1134
00:56:32,405 --> 00:56:36,485
Speaker 1: to come alongside and complement his ministry, which is obviously

1135
00:56:36,545 --> 00:56:40,265
Speaker 1: leading a church and what he does with evangelism.

1136
00:56:40,285 --> 00:56:41,665
Speaker 3: Coming back to you. Sorry.

1137
00:56:41,885 --> 00:56:45,985
Speaker 1: Oh, just to finish up. But yeah, discovering that calling

1138
00:56:46,025 --> 00:56:48,805
Speaker 1: and that purpose is... It's not just like you're going

1139
00:56:48,825 --> 00:56:50,265
Speaker 1: to be saved and then he's going to pluck you

1140
00:56:50,325 --> 00:56:51,745
Speaker 1: out and take you to heaven one day. It's like

1141
00:56:51,885 --> 00:56:54,745
Speaker 1: you have a path to follow. You have a purpose

1142
00:56:54,765 --> 00:56:56,965
Speaker 1: for your life. You need to find out what that is.

1143
00:56:57,045 --> 00:56:59,995
Speaker 1: God gives you gifts for a reason. He gives you

1144
00:57:00,205 --> 00:57:04,395
Speaker 1: opportunities for a reason. And that we are to leverage

1145
00:57:04,435 --> 00:57:06,355
Speaker 1: those for the kingdom because for me one day it's

1146
00:57:06,375 --> 00:57:08,475
Speaker 1: going to be done. You won't be leading anybody to

1147
00:57:08,535 --> 00:57:11,114
Speaker 1: Jesus when you get to heaven. They'll all be there.

1148
00:57:11,295 --> 00:57:13,655
Speaker 3: I wanted to tell you one more story about your grandfather.

1149
00:57:13,695 --> 00:57:18,475
Speaker 3: He was speaking in Portland, Oregon. And it was almost

1150
00:57:18,555 --> 00:57:22,915
Speaker 3: a revival-like atmosphere, just amazing response. So he comes off

1151
00:57:22,975 --> 00:57:25,345
Speaker 3: the platform, and he's walking to his car, and there's

1152
00:57:25,705 --> 00:57:29,585
Speaker 3: crowds of people on both sides. They're looking at him like,

1153
00:57:30,085 --> 00:57:33,145
Speaker 3: it's Moses. And it was Billy. And I was walking

1154
00:57:33,205 --> 00:57:38,405
Speaker 3: behind him. And so we got into the car. So T.W. Wilson,

1155
00:57:38,425 --> 00:57:42,585
Speaker 3: Billy's longtime friend, was driving. I was riding shotgun, your

1156
00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:45,585
Speaker 3: father and your grandfather in the backseat. So we're driving out.

1157
00:57:46,315 --> 00:57:48,895
Speaker 3: So I wanted to say something to Billy to compliment him.

1158
00:57:48,955 --> 00:57:50,475
Speaker 3: I turned around and I said, Billy, that was a

1159
00:57:50,535 --> 00:57:54,075
Speaker 3: great message tonight. Billy looks at me and says, it's

1160
00:57:54,185 --> 00:57:59,245
Speaker 3: just gospel. I turned back around like, well, okay. I

1161
00:57:59,305 --> 00:58:02,265
Speaker 3: know that. I was just trying to compliment him. And

1162
00:58:02,305 --> 00:58:05,225
Speaker 3: then I thought of another. I'll say something specific. I

1163
00:58:05,265 --> 00:58:07,765
Speaker 3: turned back around. Billy, I loved it when you said

1164
00:58:08,225 --> 00:58:11,895
Speaker 3: Christ can resensitize your conscience. He said, well, he can't.

1165
00:58:13,215 --> 00:58:16,225
Speaker 3: I turned back around. But see, I learned something from that,

1166
00:58:16,345 --> 00:58:20,145
Speaker 3: and that was Billy did not want to bask in glory.

1167
00:58:21,125 --> 00:58:25,085
Speaker 3: He was done. He did his job. And so we

1168
00:58:25,185 --> 00:58:28,105
Speaker 3: went back to the hotel, and someone had given him

1169
00:58:28,245 --> 00:58:32,345
Speaker 3: some sandwiches, some roast beef sandwiches to eat. They were

1170
00:58:32,385 --> 00:58:34,345
Speaker 3: hot when we got them originally, but by the time

1171
00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:37,425
Speaker 3: we got back to the hotel, they were cold. So

1172
00:58:37,445 --> 00:58:39,985
Speaker 3: we go up to Billy's room. He disappears for a

1173
00:58:40,025 --> 00:58:43,395
Speaker 3: little bit, comes out in his pajamas and his dress shoes.

1174
00:58:43,935 --> 00:58:47,195
Speaker 3: I don't think he had slippers. His dress shoes. Well,

1175
00:58:47,395 --> 00:58:50,515
Speaker 3: I guess Billy feels comfortable around me. He's in his pajamas.

1176
00:58:50,535 --> 00:58:54,235
Speaker 3: But he was surrounded by his friends, including TW. And

1177
00:58:54,275 --> 00:58:57,895
Speaker 3: they started telling old stories and laughing. And I was

1178
00:58:57,975 --> 00:59:02,785
Speaker 3: learning as an evangelist. Don't take yourself too seriously. Take

1179
00:59:02,805 --> 00:59:08,145
Speaker 3: your message very seriously. Deliver your message and return to normalcy.

1180
00:59:08,485 --> 00:59:11,585
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what he did. He was with people

1181
00:59:11,645 --> 00:59:15,875
Speaker 3: that loved him. but he could enjoy some laughs. and

1182
00:59:16,315 --> 00:59:19,345
Speaker 3: And he was very down to earth. And your dad's

1183
00:59:19,365 --> 00:59:22,345
Speaker 3: that way, too. Your dad, he's a humble guy. He's

1184
00:59:22,385 --> 00:59:25,605
Speaker 3: very down to earth. He likes basic things. He travels

1185
00:59:25,705 --> 00:59:29,385
Speaker 3: the world in these most amazing places. And he takes

1186
00:59:29,485 --> 00:59:34,915
Speaker 3: pictures of himself at McDonald's. People, they go, that's an act. No,

1187
00:59:34,955 --> 00:59:38,515
Speaker 3: he likes that food. He actually did a post about McDonald's.

1188
00:59:38,945 --> 00:59:40,525
Speaker 3: Bringing back the.

1189
00:59:40,185 --> 00:59:42,705
Speaker 1: Fried apple pie. They are good.

1190
00:59:42,765 --> 00:59:45,875
Speaker 2: And they came back for the 250th anniversary of America.

1191
00:59:46,195 --> 00:59:48,275
Speaker 2: I'm going to thank dad and his social media after

1192
00:59:48,355 --> 00:59:49,755
Speaker 2: all those years of campaigning.

1193
00:59:50,535 --> 00:59:53,175
Speaker 3: But that's just, you know, I just said, I mean, boom,

1194
00:59:53,275 --> 00:59:55,565
Speaker 3: I think it's closed or maybe it's open still. We

1195
00:59:55,605 --> 00:59:57,705
Speaker 3: always went to a place called Woodlands.

1196
00:59:57,765 --> 01:00:00,785
Speaker 2: Okay. So funny story. Woodlands closed down a few years.

1197
01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:04,675
Speaker 2: years back. And I mean, we would go as a

1198
01:00:04,695 --> 01:00:08,315
Speaker 2: family multiple times a week. I mean, they knew dad

1199
01:00:08,335 --> 01:00:11,185
Speaker 2: and they did all the catering anytime. Like I remember

1200
01:00:11,205 --> 01:00:13,665
Speaker 2: that for the Billy Graham library opening, the presidents were there,

1201
01:00:13,685 --> 01:00:17,405
Speaker 2: they did the catering. So long story short, a barbecue

1202
01:00:17,445 --> 01:00:19,765
Speaker 2: place just opened back up in that restaurant. So we

1203
01:00:19,825 --> 01:00:21,765
Speaker 2: went down there and they sat us down in the

1204
01:00:21,805 --> 01:00:23,805
Speaker 2: basement because we had kids. We realized they were putting

1205
01:00:23,825 --> 01:00:26,635
Speaker 2: kids down the basement. We talked about you and we

1206
01:00:26,655 --> 01:00:29,015
Speaker 2: were just reminiscing about all the times. And I said,

1207
01:00:29,035 --> 01:00:32,075
Speaker 2: do you remember when we brought Greg Laurie here? And

1208
01:00:32,315 --> 01:00:35,415
Speaker 2: these are just memories, funny memories that stick out. You

1209
01:00:35,455 --> 01:00:37,725
Speaker 2: put Simpsons on the TV. You were watching The Simpsons

1210
01:00:37,805 --> 01:00:39,365
Speaker 2: downstairs at Woodlands.

1211
01:00:40,065 --> 01:00:40,425
Speaker 3: I was.

1212
01:00:40,445 --> 01:00:42,245
Speaker 2: You had bought some kind of gag gifts at a

1213
01:00:42,305 --> 01:00:44,525
Speaker 2: toy store and you were playing with Jonathan and I

1214
01:00:44,545 --> 01:00:46,665
Speaker 2: and all this. And dad goes, I remember that day.

1215
01:00:47,805 --> 01:00:53,905
Speaker 2: And it's just, there's sweet memories and friendships that, and

1216
01:00:53,985 --> 01:00:56,265
Speaker 2: a loyal. I mean, dad is loyal to his friends.

1217
01:00:56,325 --> 01:01:00,355
Speaker 2: He loves his friends. fiercely and he's there anytime you

1218
01:01:00,395 --> 01:01:04,215
Speaker 2: need him but I'm just I've loved watching y'all's ministries

1219
01:01:04,315 --> 01:01:07,095
Speaker 2: grow little did y'all know what God had planned for

1220
01:01:07,165 --> 01:01:10,345
Speaker 2: Harvest and Perseverance Purse and if you had known you

1221
01:01:10,365 --> 01:01:13,965
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have done it but it's been nice to

1222
01:01:13,985 --> 01:01:17,125
Speaker 2: look back just even as children and seeing God's faithfulness

1223
01:01:17,165 --> 01:01:18,465
Speaker 2: in our parents lives.

1224
01:01:18,625 --> 01:01:22,095
Speaker 3: Well I maybe should be referring to you as Ambassador

1225
01:01:22,125 --> 01:01:27,385
Speaker 3: Graham because no not yet well okay but let's Tell

1226
01:01:27,425 --> 01:01:30,185
Speaker 3: them why we would even say that. You have been

1227
01:01:30,405 --> 01:01:35,285
Speaker 3: nominated by the president to become the ambassador at large

1228
01:01:35,785 --> 01:01:39,115
Speaker 3: for the international religious freedom. Am I saying it right?

1229
01:01:39,135 --> 01:01:39,395
Speaker 3: That's right.

1230
01:01:39,415 --> 01:01:42,295
Speaker 2: Ambassador at large for international religious freedom. It's a position

1231
01:01:42,315 --> 01:01:46,735
Speaker 2: that's been held since 1998. And it's really to advance

1232
01:01:47,395 --> 01:01:51,415
Speaker 2: religious freedom around the world, to recognize those who violate

1233
01:01:51,455 --> 01:01:55,435
Speaker 2: religious freedom, to help the U.S. in foreign policy. on

1234
01:01:55,475 --> 01:01:59,415
Speaker 2: where we can hold strong on religious freedom. And, you know,

1235
01:01:59,515 --> 01:02:01,595
Speaker 2: just to really hold those accountable. When we look at

1236
01:02:01,645 --> 01:02:04,625
Speaker 2: what the world is facing, especially when we look at Christians,

1237
01:02:04,645 --> 01:02:09,325
Speaker 2: what's happening right now around the world, we've been blessed

1238
01:02:09,345 --> 01:02:14,785
Speaker 2: beyond imagination in this nation that our forefathers recognized the

1239
01:02:14,845 --> 01:02:18,245
Speaker 2: need for religious freedom, that that's the bedrock of this nation.

1240
01:02:18,285 --> 01:02:18,785
Speaker 3: That's right.

1241
01:02:19,365 --> 01:02:22,445
Speaker 2: And this is not a phone call I ever expected.

1242
01:02:22,465 --> 01:02:27,215
Speaker 2: It took me by surprise. And something I probably didn't

1243
01:02:27,315 --> 01:02:30,915
Speaker 2: even want to do, not because I don't see the need,

1244
01:02:30,975 --> 01:02:32,355
Speaker 2: but I have three children at home.

1245
01:02:32,535 --> 01:02:32,775
Speaker 3: Yes.

1246
01:02:32,935 --> 01:02:36,285
Speaker 2: I'm a mom. And to work in D.C. and to

1247
01:02:36,325 --> 01:02:39,365
Speaker 2: travel back and forth, but praying with it with my husband.

1248
01:02:39,765 --> 01:02:42,265
Speaker 2: My husband, Corey, was so clear. He says, if the

1249
01:02:42,305 --> 01:02:44,265
Speaker 2: President of the United States called and offered you this,

1250
01:02:45,045 --> 01:02:46,885
Speaker 2: you accept and we will find a way.

1251
01:02:46,965 --> 01:02:47,185
Speaker 3: Good.

1252
01:02:47,805 --> 01:02:50,545
Speaker 2: And that I'm thankful for a supportive husband. But it's

1253
01:02:50,745 --> 01:02:52,185
Speaker 2: if I'm confirmed by the Senate. So I have to

1254
01:02:52,205 --> 01:02:52,985
Speaker 2: have a Senate hearing.

1255
01:02:53,005 --> 01:02:57,185
Speaker 3: Does it make you nervous to think about that? Absolutely. Absolutely.

1256
01:02:57,425 --> 01:03:00,825
Speaker 2: I wrote this book, Stand Steady, and now I have

1257
01:03:00,865 --> 01:03:01,905
Speaker 2: to have a Senate hearing?

1258
01:03:02,305 --> 01:03:05,875
Speaker 1: The timing could not be more. I'm like, Lord, what

1259
01:03:05,935 --> 01:03:06,735
Speaker 1: are you doing?

1260
01:03:06,795 --> 01:03:08,515
Speaker 2: You know, I got that phone call and then nothing

1261
01:03:08,555 --> 01:03:12,215
Speaker 2: ever happened. And I prayed about a week before I

1262
01:03:12,235 --> 01:03:15,445
Speaker 2: turned in my final manuscript. I said, Lord, why did

1263
01:03:15,465 --> 01:03:17,745
Speaker 2: that phone call come about maybe being an ambassador and

1264
01:03:17,765 --> 01:03:19,405
Speaker 2: nothing ever happening? He said, I need you to finish

1265
01:03:19,425 --> 01:03:22,165
Speaker 2: this project before I give you the next. And here

1266
01:03:22,185 --> 01:03:24,235
Speaker 2: it is just coming weeks after I finished the book.

1267
01:03:24,875 --> 01:03:29,075
Speaker 2: But I was reading. Does it make me nervous?

1268
01:03:29,195 --> 01:03:29,495
Speaker 1: Yes.

1269
01:03:30,095 --> 01:03:32,435
Speaker 2: My prayer has been Acts 9 through this whole thing

1270
01:03:32,535 --> 01:03:34,975
Speaker 2: is that I would walk in the fear of the

1271
01:03:35,035 --> 01:03:38,785
Speaker 2: Lord and be comforted by the Holy Spirit. Because I

1272
01:03:39,185 --> 01:03:40,905
Speaker 2: look at the job that is before me. I look

1273
01:03:40,925 --> 01:03:43,925
Speaker 2: at the rise of anti-Semitism in this world. Yes. I

1274
01:03:43,945 --> 01:03:47,525
Speaker 2: look at the weird Muslims in China that have been

1275
01:03:47,645 --> 01:03:51,585
Speaker 2: fiercely persecuted. I look at Christians at large being persecuted

1276
01:03:51,605 --> 01:03:55,335
Speaker 2: at such a high rate and at this time in history.

1277
01:03:56,015 --> 01:03:57,715
Speaker 2: But I worry for my children as a mom being

1278
01:03:57,735 --> 01:04:01,455
Speaker 2: gone more. And it was funny.

1279
01:04:01,475 --> 01:04:02,035
Speaker 3: I was reviewing.

1280
01:04:02,075 --> 01:04:04,755
Speaker 2: I told Kathy before we started, I was reviewing my

1281
01:04:04,815 --> 01:04:06,315
Speaker 2: book because as a writer, you know, you write this

1282
01:04:06,335 --> 01:04:09,945
Speaker 2: book a long time ago. And then I was studying

1283
01:04:09,965 --> 01:04:11,625
Speaker 2: because I was so afraid you might ask me a question.

1284
01:04:11,645 --> 01:04:13,645
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I don't remember what page that's on,

1285
01:04:13,905 --> 01:04:14,845
Speaker 2: if I was to be honest.

1286
01:04:14,865 --> 01:04:15,625
Speaker 1: It's funny.

1287
01:04:16,245 --> 01:04:20,085
Speaker 2: And I highlighted this because I needed it. And it said,

1288
01:04:20,105 --> 01:04:22,385
Speaker 2: it's when the storm hits and all you want to

1289
01:04:22,425 --> 01:04:25,145
Speaker 2: do is return to shore. To stay quiet, stay hidden,

1290
01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:28,265
Speaker 2: and avoid the fight. We'll do anything to try to

1291
01:04:28,305 --> 01:04:31,795
Speaker 2: get back to the normality of yesterday. The tempest tempts

1292
01:04:31,855 --> 01:04:35,075
Speaker 2: us to panic and become overwhelmed by our feelings and confusions.

1293
01:04:35,745 --> 01:04:37,605
Speaker 2: Have I been overwhelmed at the task ahead of me?

1294
01:04:37,895 --> 01:04:38,475
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1295
01:04:39,775 --> 01:04:42,415
Speaker 2: Don't fall for it. Like David, choose to stand steady

1296
01:04:42,435 --> 01:04:44,915
Speaker 2: and say, when I'm afraid, I put my trust in you.

1297
01:04:45,635 --> 01:04:50,335
Speaker 2: I needed my own words. I shouldn't say my own words,

1298
01:04:50,355 --> 01:04:52,375
Speaker 2: the words God had given me to write down.

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Speaker 3: You're going to be confirmed, I believe. And I think

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Speaker 3: you're going to do a great job. And, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've seen you in settings with the president and in

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not surprised at all that he would

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Speaker 3: choose you. When I heard it, I was just delighted.

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Speaker 3: And I think you're so uniquely qualified because not only

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Speaker 3: of your spiritual foundation, but your experience traveling the world

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Speaker 3: with your father, you've seen far more than a young lady.

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Speaker 3: And you're still a young lady, by the way. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: 40 is young. Well, you know what? When you're 40,

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Speaker 3: you think, oh, I'm getting old now. But when you're 73,

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Speaker 3: like me, you go, oh, 40, I was still young, right?

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Speaker 3: So you are young. I just want you to know that.

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Speaker 3: But You know, you're a mature young person. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 3: call you a very young, older person. But whatever you

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Speaker 3: want to say, I think your unique experiences with your grandfather,

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Speaker 3: with your father, with your mother, with your upbringing, with

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Speaker 3: your travels and all the things you've seen. I can't

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Speaker 3: think of a more qualified person around to take this position.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. And I say, am I nervous? It's more

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Speaker 2: for my family being gone. I'm excited. I am excited

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Speaker 2: when God calls us to do things. It's exciting. And

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Speaker 2: so I am excited for it. I got to get

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Speaker 2: through a Senate confirmation before the Foreign Relations Committee so

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Speaker 2: I could use prayers for those listening. My family and

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Speaker 2: I will need your prayers, especially as I prep for that.

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Speaker 2: That could be a difficult day. But if confirmed by

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Speaker 2: the Senate, you know, we got two years left. To

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Speaker 2: work hard and to pray that the Lord would give

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Speaker 2: me the wisdom and discernment to do this job.

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Speaker 1: And he will. That's the kind of prayer he wants

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Speaker 1: to answer.

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Speaker 3: He'll give you what you need when you need it,

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Speaker 3: not before, never after.

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Speaker 1: And prayer is that resource that we have when we're

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Speaker 1: feeling overwhelmed or uncertain about what the future might hold.

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Speaker 1: We have that line to heaven that is our first

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Speaker 1: line of defense, as you wrote in your book. Prayer

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Speaker 1: is a first line of defense. It is also how

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Speaker 1: we fight the battle. It prepares us for the battle.

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Speaker 1: And we just will be praying for you to see

1340
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Speaker 1: God's going to be with you. And we have to

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Speaker 1: look at this as just this incredible opportunity that is

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Speaker 1: a season. And whatever it is, and however long that lasts,

1343
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Speaker 1: he's going to equip you because he's called you.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: When the Lord opens a door like that. to serve

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Speaker 1: on a national level.

1347
01:07:14,625 --> 01:07:16,285
Speaker 3: Imagine that little girl on pigtails.

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Speaker 2: Playing games with Jonathan.

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01:07:19,185 --> 01:07:23,205
Speaker 3: Playing games. Do we call you Madam Ambassador? What is

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Speaker 3: the right term?

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Speaker 2: I'll let you know. I don't know yet.

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Speaker 3: I'm still going to call you Sissy. In its formal setting,

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Speaker 3: I'll call you Ambassador.

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Speaker 1: But before the Senate, you will probably be Jane Austen Lynch.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's Jane Lynch. It's funny because when they announced it,

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Speaker 2: my name had gotten around D.C. that I was going

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Speaker 2: to be announced. And that had been around for months, but...

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Speaker 2: When they announced it as Jane Lynch, people were calling, saying,

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Speaker 2: who's Jane Lynch? Nobody knew.

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Speaker 3: I read it and go, wait, this is Sissy.

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Speaker 2: People remember me as Sissy Graham.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sissy Graham, just like you. I mean, Sissy Graham, I've

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Speaker 2: been married for 20 years. People forgot I got the

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Speaker 2: last name Lynch.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. That's right. Okay, Sissy, we've talked about

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Speaker 3: so many profound things, important things. Now let's just talk about, well,

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Speaker 3: we might call them fun things like What is your

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Speaker 3: favorite food? Like go-to food that you would order above

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Speaker 3: everything else?

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Speaker 2: Thai food.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Thai food.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yay!

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Speaker 3: Kathy will like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And for dessert, blackberry cobbler with ice cream. Panang curry.

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Speaker 2: Chicken panang curry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And what was your dessert?

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Speaker 2: Blackberry cobbler with ice cream.

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Speaker 1: I love cobbler.

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01:08:28,064 --> 01:08:30,245
Speaker 2: And you can't get blackberry cobbler. Very rarely do you

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Speaker 2: find cobbler places.

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Speaker 3: There's a place in Boone, North Carolina where you live

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Speaker 3: that It's a teacup place. It has amazing cobbler.

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Speaker 2: What's the name of that place?

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Speaker 1: How do you remember that?

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Speaker 3: Backyard Burgers.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't exist anymore, and we still talk about it.

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Speaker 2: They have another thing, but they don't have the cobbler anymore.

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Speaker 3: No way.

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Speaker 2: Man, you've got a good memory.

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Speaker 3: I always remember food.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that was the only place I could get

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Speaker 2: blackberry cobbler. That's where the love started. Good memory.

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Speaker 3: So they don't serve it anymore?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: That restaurant doesn't exist, but they've created another one.

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Speaker 3: I love Blackberry Cobbler. No one even makes Cobbler.

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01:09:01,495 --> 01:09:02,015
Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Where do you get it? It's hard.

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01:09:03,314 --> 01:09:05,175
Speaker 2: I have to make it, I guess. But the question is,

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01:09:05,174 --> 01:09:06,905
Speaker 2: do you like it? cake kind or the pie crust

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01:09:06,924 --> 01:09:07,604
Speaker 2: kind on top?

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01:09:07,884 --> 01:09:09,704
Speaker 3: Probably the pie crust.

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Speaker 1: That's how I am. That's how I am, too. I

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01:09:11,945 --> 01:09:13,564
Speaker 1: was afraid to say you might say the cake.

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01:09:13,604 --> 01:09:14,805
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: The pie crust.

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01:09:15,705 --> 01:09:17,405
Speaker 2: That's the easiest one to make, so that's the one

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Speaker 2: people make.

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Speaker 3: I asked Marco Rubio, who will be your future boss, right?

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Speaker 3: What his favorite food was. I mean, under the president.

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Speaker 2: Did he say Pop-Tart? No.

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01:09:25,964 --> 01:09:26,905
Speaker 3: Because he's in the news for Pop-Tart.

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01:09:26,924 --> 01:09:27,995
Speaker 2: That was so funny.

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01:09:28,005 --> 01:09:30,174
Speaker 3: He told me chicken parm and pizza.

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01:09:31,075 --> 01:09:31,415
Speaker 2: Together?

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01:09:31,424 --> 01:09:33,075
Speaker 3: Well, just one or the other.

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01:09:33,094 --> 01:09:34,034
Speaker 2: Chicken parm or pizza.

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01:09:34,075 --> 01:09:35,255
Speaker 3: He likes Italian food.

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Speaker 2: That's good to know. Thanks for the hint, but I

1424
01:09:36,854 --> 01:09:37,115
Speaker 2: need to.

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01:09:37,594 --> 01:09:39,514
Speaker 3: Yeah. What is your favorite?

1426
01:09:39,755 --> 01:09:41,814
Speaker 1: Thai food? Oh, to eat?

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01:09:41,835 --> 01:09:43,814
Speaker 3: You should go have Thai food with sissy.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing that is not one of your favorites.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: They have some good.

1431
01:09:48,075 --> 01:09:50,934
Speaker 3: I love fish tacos. I love hamburgers. I love pizza.

1432
01:09:51,354 --> 01:09:55,354
Speaker 3: Everything I love is bad for me and is fattening, period.

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01:09:55,474 --> 01:09:58,695
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I love tofu. Okay, so do you

1434
01:09:59,155 --> 01:10:02,135
Speaker 3: have a favorite movie? Here's how I define a favorite movie.

1435
01:10:02,165 --> 01:10:05,505
Speaker 3: If I'm flipping the channels and I come to this movie,

1436
01:10:05,665 --> 01:10:08,304
Speaker 3: maybe I've seen it 50 times. I don't know if

1437
01:10:08,344 --> 01:10:12,064
Speaker 3: I've seen any movie 50 times. Maybe I have. But

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01:10:12,085 --> 01:10:14,504
Speaker 3: I'll stop and wait till the commercial because I like

1439
01:10:14,545 --> 01:10:16,125
Speaker 3: the movie so much. Do you have like a movie

1440
01:10:16,144 --> 01:10:16,545
Speaker 3: like that?

1441
01:10:16,604 --> 01:10:17,124
Speaker 2: Lassimo Higgins.

1442
01:10:17,764 --> 01:10:18,294
Speaker 3: I love that movie.

1443
01:10:18,314 --> 01:10:19,354
Speaker 2: Daniel Day-Lewis.

1444
01:10:19,455 --> 01:10:20,275
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

1445
01:10:20,415 --> 01:10:23,025
Speaker 3: That is one of the most, you don't think of.

1446
01:10:22,884 --> 01:10:25,375
Speaker 1: It, the title doesn't give a clue.

1447
01:10:25,955 --> 01:10:26,415
Speaker 2: I know.

1448
01:10:26,434 --> 01:10:28,094
Speaker 1: To how romantic that movie is.

1449
01:10:28,415 --> 01:10:32,514
Speaker 2: And he says, I will find you no matter how far. Exactly.

1450
01:10:32,575 --> 01:10:34,375
Speaker 1: And that music as he's running to.

1451
01:10:34,434 --> 01:10:36,135
Speaker 2: Last Mohegan's, hands down, my favorite.

1452
01:10:36,295 --> 01:10:37,195
Speaker 3: Yeah, the music.

1453
01:10:37,474 --> 01:10:39,134
Speaker 2: Did that surprise you with my answer there?

1454
01:10:39,275 --> 01:10:41,635
Speaker 3: That's a good... Okay, I'm going to say, I don't

1455
01:10:41,655 --> 01:10:46,014
Speaker 3: want to sound chauvinistic, but for a girl, that's not

1456
01:10:46,224 --> 01:10:49,064
Speaker 3: normally the movie that a girl would select. But it

1457
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Speaker 3: is incredibly.

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01:10:49,424 --> 01:10:51,625
Speaker 2: I had three older brothers and a father that.

1459
01:10:51,804 --> 01:10:54,685
Speaker 3: I would expect a guy maybe... To say that one.

1460
01:10:54,705 --> 01:10:56,585
Speaker 2: I remember going to the theater with my dad to

1461
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Speaker 2: watch that movie, which I probably say because I was

1462
01:10:58,205 --> 01:11:00,745
Speaker 2: young and I think I was rude at all.

1463
01:11:00,804 --> 01:11:04,584
Speaker 3: That's a good choice. I support that choice. Okay, so

1464
01:11:04,825 --> 01:11:08,715
Speaker 3: if you can have a meal with three people that

1465
01:11:08,775 --> 01:11:12,414
Speaker 3: are living, not including Jesus, we would all invite Jesus

1466
01:11:13,054 --> 01:11:19,094
Speaker 3: to that meal. That are living? Living or passed on,

1467
01:11:19,235 --> 01:11:22,955
Speaker 3: but just three figures, three people, who would they be?

1468
01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:25,905
Speaker 2: Okay, two of them, and you might not know their names.

1469
01:11:26,205 --> 01:11:26,325
Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:11:26,724 --> 01:11:29,535
Speaker 2: I've always said, Corey laughs because in the world of

1471
01:11:29,575 --> 01:11:31,275
Speaker 2: social media, you feel like you know people.

1472
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

1473
01:11:32,724 --> 01:11:33,445
Speaker 2: Jesse Etzler.

1474
01:11:34,005 --> 01:11:34,665
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know that.

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01:11:34,684 --> 01:11:38,264
Speaker 2: He married the lady that invented Spanx. So Sarah Blakeney.

1476
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Speaker 2: I would probably want to have dinner with the two

1477
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Speaker 2: of them.

1478
01:11:41,184 --> 01:11:43,504
Speaker 1: Short take. She better start there.

1479
01:11:43,625 --> 01:11:45,044
Speaker 2: They're an amazing couple, but he's.

1480
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Speaker 3: I'm wearing Spanx right now. I'm not.

1481
01:11:47,684 --> 01:11:51,105
Speaker 2: He's an entrepreneur in his own right. And they are

1482
01:11:51,255 --> 01:11:53,235
Speaker 2: a fascinating couple to me.

1483
01:11:53,894 --> 01:11:57,575
Speaker 1: And I just- Wait, of all the people in history-

1484
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Speaker 1: Those two, I.

1485
01:11:59,735 --> 01:12:01,894
Speaker 2: Say right now, I would want to have dinner with

1486
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Speaker 2: those two.

1487
01:12:02,455 --> 01:12:04,135
Speaker 3: You're taking two spots up?

1488
01:12:04,155 --> 01:12:05,035
Speaker 1: You said three.

1489
01:12:05,094 --> 01:12:05,514
Speaker 2: They're two.

1490
01:12:05,535 --> 01:12:07,595
Speaker 3: But this is a very special dinner. You're going to

1491
01:12:07,634 --> 01:12:08,474
Speaker 3: have two of them?

1492
01:12:08,695 --> 01:12:11,474
Speaker 2: Hey, this is my moment. Maybe you'll see this. Jesse Hudson,

1493
01:12:11,495 --> 01:12:12,515
Speaker 2: Sarah Blakeney, I want dinner.

1494
01:12:12,535 --> 01:12:13,954
Speaker 1: You asked her the question.

1495
01:12:13,995 --> 01:12:14,715
Speaker 3: She's answering it.

1496
01:12:14,714 --> 01:12:16,755
Speaker 2: It is true. I've sat with some important people in

1497
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Speaker 2: this world.

1498
01:12:17,394 --> 01:12:18,515
Speaker 3: Yes, you have.

1499
01:12:19,174 --> 01:12:20,995
Speaker 2: But those two, they are fascinating. I can tell you

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Speaker 2: more about them. The third one, I would go back

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01:12:24,255 --> 01:12:29,164
Speaker 2: to have dinner. Dinner with my grandmother. Because as I said,

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01:12:29,285 --> 01:12:32,724
Speaker 2: I wish there were questions I could ask her now

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01:12:32,865 --> 01:12:34,765
Speaker 2: as an adult that I didn't know to ask.

1504
01:12:35,705 --> 01:12:36,224
Speaker 1: So good.

1505
01:12:36,545 --> 01:12:37,184
Speaker 3: Good answer.

1506
01:12:37,205 --> 01:12:38,525
Speaker 2: I don't know. Where do you think I was going

1507
01:12:38,545 --> 01:12:39,044
Speaker 2: with that?

1508
01:12:39,785 --> 01:12:44,275
Speaker 3: I get your grandmother. The other two, I missed a point.

1509
01:12:44,335 --> 01:12:45,955
Speaker 3: Do you ever go to, I think we all have

1510
01:12:45,995 --> 01:12:49,995
Speaker 3: Bible verses we go to often. Are there certain verses

1511
01:12:50,014 --> 01:12:52,255
Speaker 3: that you go, I go back to this verse all

1512
01:12:52,295 --> 01:12:54,835
Speaker 3: the time. Maybe a time of stress, you know, don't

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01:12:54,854 --> 01:12:58,144
Speaker 3: worry about anything. Pray about everything. The peace of God

1514
01:12:58,184 --> 01:13:01,245
Speaker 3: that passes on understanding will guard your heart and mind.

1515
01:13:01,604 --> 01:13:03,874
Speaker 3: Is there a verse that you go back to again

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01:13:03,934 --> 01:13:07,315
Speaker 3: and again? Or maybe someone says, write a verse of

1517
01:13:07,354 --> 01:13:10,144
Speaker 3: my Bible. I like, can you write a Bible verse

1518
01:13:10,445 --> 01:13:10,845
Speaker 3: in my Bible?

1519
01:13:10,884 --> 01:13:13,775
Speaker 2: I've already mentioned it, but for me it was Daniel

1520
01:13:13,795 --> 01:13:14,354
Speaker 2: chapter 11.

1521
01:13:14,354 --> 01:13:14,474
Speaker 3: Okay.

1522
01:13:15,035 --> 01:13:16,495
Speaker 2: Those who know their God will be able to stand

1523
01:13:16,554 --> 01:13:18,634
Speaker 2: in strength and take action. It's kind of been my

1524
01:13:18,714 --> 01:13:21,805
Speaker 2: great verse. The verse that I've adopted is if people

1525
01:13:21,825 --> 01:13:23,485
Speaker 2: say a life verse. Yeah. Yeah.

1526
01:13:24,505 --> 01:13:27,845
Speaker 3: What is your favorite music? What does Sissy listen to

1527
01:13:27,884 --> 01:13:31,144
Speaker 3: when she's just driving around? Oh, man. Taking her kids

1528
01:13:31,224 --> 01:13:31,745
Speaker 3: to school.

1529
01:13:31,764 --> 01:13:32,845
Speaker 2: I have a very wide range.

1530
01:13:32,924 --> 01:13:33,424
Speaker 3: Eating Thai food.

1531
01:13:33,464 --> 01:13:36,464
Speaker 2: I feel like I like it all. I love it

1532
01:13:36,785 --> 01:13:38,705
Speaker 2: when oldie goldies come on.

1533
01:13:38,785 --> 01:13:39,325
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1534
01:13:39,384 --> 01:13:40,025
Speaker 2: Because it takes me back.

1535
01:13:40,045 --> 01:13:41,385
Speaker 3: But what is an oldie goldie to you?

1536
01:13:41,405 --> 01:13:43,495
Speaker 2: Okay, I will say, though, I didn't grow up on Beatles.

1537
01:13:43,644 --> 01:13:43,955
Speaker 3: No.

1538
01:13:44,174 --> 01:13:44,294
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

1539
01:13:44,875 --> 01:13:47,094
Speaker 2: Um, my mom was never a fan of Beatles. She

1540
01:13:47,115 --> 01:13:48,135
Speaker 2: liked more of the Motown.

1541
01:13:48,455 --> 01:13:48,735
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1542
01:13:48,795 --> 01:13:51,854
Speaker 2: And so when that comes on, cause that's what my

1543
01:13:51,894 --> 01:13:53,955
Speaker 2: mom raised us on. I can still remember. It was

1544
01:13:53,995 --> 01:13:57,475
Speaker 2: like 96.1 oldie goldie. It just takes me back to

1545
01:13:57,514 --> 01:13:59,384
Speaker 2: that moment of riding in the car with my mom.

1546
01:13:59,505 --> 01:14:01,304
Speaker 2: So I've started turning those on for my kids now.

1547
01:14:01,325 --> 01:14:03,585
Speaker 3: Like the Supremes, Diana Russell Supremes.

1548
01:14:04,165 --> 01:14:05,005
Speaker 2: The Four Seasons.

1549
01:14:05,184 --> 01:14:06,825
Speaker 3: Yeah. Smokey Robinson.

1550
01:14:06,844 --> 01:14:07,164
Speaker 1: Yes.

1551
01:14:08,045 --> 01:14:11,125
Speaker 3: It was amazing. Cause here's a time in musical history.

1552
01:14:11,485 --> 01:14:12,504
Speaker 3: You have the Beatles.

1553
01:14:12,525 --> 01:14:12,604
Speaker 2: Yes.

1554
01:14:13,775 --> 01:14:16,575
Speaker 3: But then you have Motown happening at the same time.

1555
01:14:17,094 --> 01:14:20,795
Speaker 3: And now to this very day, these are the songs

1556
01:14:20,835 --> 01:14:23,275
Speaker 3: that people are still listening to over and over again.

1557
01:14:23,295 --> 01:14:23,915
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1558
01:14:23,934 --> 01:14:25,535
Speaker 3: So much other music has come and gone.

1559
01:14:25,594 --> 01:14:27,415
Speaker 2: And then I'm a product of the 90s. I kind

1560
01:14:27,455 --> 01:14:28,635
Speaker 2: of like 90s grunge, too.

1561
01:14:28,915 --> 01:14:29,834
Speaker 3: Oh, really? Yeah.

1562
01:14:30,384 --> 01:14:31,265
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is.

1563
01:14:31,255 --> 01:14:33,724
Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite band? Like what, Pearl Jam

1564
01:14:33,745 --> 01:14:34,025
Speaker 3: or Nirvana?

1565
01:14:34,045 --> 01:14:35,265
Speaker 2: Can I say Cranberries? That would be.

1566
01:14:35,285 --> 01:14:35,964
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. Okay.

1567
01:14:36,144 --> 01:14:37,885
Speaker 2: I like the Cranberries. I don't know if I like

1568
01:14:37,905 --> 01:14:39,184
Speaker 2: the Cranberries. I don't even know what.

1569
01:14:39,205 --> 01:14:40,224
Speaker 1: I've got to look that one up.

1570
01:14:40,344 --> 01:14:42,275
Speaker 3: No, I know who they are. Are you a morning

1571
01:14:42,354 --> 01:14:43,644
Speaker 3: person or are you a night out?

1572
01:14:43,655 --> 01:14:45,275
Speaker 2: Morning. I go to bed way too early.

1573
01:14:45,335 --> 01:14:45,735
Speaker 3: Always?

1574
01:14:46,054 --> 01:14:46,814
Speaker 2: Always morning.

1575
01:14:47,075 --> 01:14:48,714
Speaker 3: I used to be a night out. Then I became

1576
01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:50,775
Speaker 3: a morning person. I can't stand it. Now I'm an

1577
01:14:50,795 --> 01:14:55,394
Speaker 3: inappropriately morning 4.30 even. I can't even text anyone.

1578
01:14:55,634 --> 01:14:56,735
Speaker 2: You get up at 4.30?

1579
01:14:56,735 --> 01:14:57,575
Speaker 3: Sometimes I do.

1580
01:14:59,174 --> 01:15:02,324
Speaker 2: For the evening, not even in college could I pull

1581
01:15:02,365 --> 01:15:04,204
Speaker 2: an all-nighter to do a project.

1582
01:15:04,214 --> 01:15:06,644
Speaker 1: I know. I'm right with you. It's like, no.

1583
01:15:06,884 --> 01:15:07,745
Speaker 2: I put my kids to bed.

1584
01:15:07,785 --> 01:15:10,164
Speaker 1: I'm in bed. And then after dinner, it's like, I'm worthless.

1585
01:15:10,764 --> 01:15:11,764
Speaker 1: I can't work on anything.

1586
01:15:11,785 --> 01:15:15,745
Speaker 3: What's something about you that would surprise people? I've heard

1587
01:15:15,764 --> 01:15:18,224
Speaker 3: a couple of things already. Who you would have your

1588
01:15:18,264 --> 01:15:20,504
Speaker 3: special meal with. Thai food threw me too.

1589
01:15:20,525 --> 01:15:23,245
Speaker 2: Can we do a recap? Well, I lived in Thailand

1590
01:15:23,325 --> 01:15:24,184
Speaker 2: for a short time and.

1591
01:15:24,144 --> 01:15:25,205
Speaker 1: I took a Thai cooking class.

1592
01:15:25,285 --> 01:15:26,505
Speaker 3: When did you live in Thailand?

1593
01:15:26,525 --> 01:15:29,265
Speaker 2: My first semester or second, sophomore year in college. I

1594
01:15:29,285 --> 01:15:31,105
Speaker 2: took a semester off. I had struggled.

1595
01:15:31,165 --> 01:15:31,544
Speaker 1: It was.

1596
01:15:33,525 --> 01:15:36,144
Speaker 2: A difficult time in my life. And I worked for–

1597
01:15:36,165 --> 01:15:39,104
Speaker 2: it was actually a lady, Rose Martinez, that is out

1598
01:15:39,144 --> 01:15:40,635
Speaker 2: of Calvary Chapel.

1599
01:15:41,335 --> 01:15:42,354
Speaker 1: I know that name.

1600
01:15:42,755 --> 01:15:46,775
Speaker 2: She left in the 70s and started orphanages in Thailand.

1601
01:15:47,455 --> 01:15:50,695
Speaker 2: So the Thai food. But I will come– hey, pizza is–

1602
01:15:50,974 --> 01:15:53,155
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll take you out for pizza or fish tacos.

1603
01:15:53,295 --> 01:15:55,094
Speaker 2: But what was the last question?

1604
01:15:55,115 --> 01:15:56,435
Speaker 3: The question was.

1605
01:15:56,915 --> 01:15:59,035
Speaker 2: Since I gave disappointing answers so far.

1606
01:15:59,714 --> 01:16:04,655
Speaker 3: Yeah, something that would surprise people about you. I don't

1607
01:16:04,695 --> 01:16:05,474
Speaker 3: even know what I would say.

1608
01:16:05,495 --> 01:16:06,745
Speaker 2: Would you answer that question?

1609
01:16:06,755 --> 01:16:11,974
Speaker 3: I don't know. What would surprise... I don't know. What

1610
01:16:11,995 --> 01:16:15,044
Speaker 3: would you say? You know, honestly, when I preach, I

1611
01:16:15,085 --> 01:16:17,405
Speaker 3: pretty much put it all out there. I don't know

1612
01:16:17,424 --> 01:16:18,684
Speaker 3: if there's anything I would say.

1613
01:16:18,705 --> 01:16:19,684
Speaker 1: Would surprise anyone?

1614
01:16:19,705 --> 01:16:23,344
Speaker 3: Would surprise anyone? I'm not sure. Maybe my prankster.

1615
01:16:23,625 --> 01:16:24,305
Speaker 1: I think what.

1616
01:16:24,585 --> 01:16:26,405
Speaker 2: Would they be surprised that you would walk out of

1617
01:16:26,424 --> 01:16:29,605
Speaker 2: the bathroom with toilet paper hanging out of your pants

1618
01:16:29,684 --> 01:16:31,985
Speaker 2: and walk down the hallway so people could see?

1619
01:16:32,025 --> 01:16:32,974
Speaker 1: You should do that on.

1620
01:16:32,985 --> 01:16:33,384
Speaker 3: They might.

1621
01:16:33,424 --> 01:16:33,865
Speaker 1: Maybe not.

1622
01:16:34,085 --> 01:16:35,905
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that at church. It's not

1623
01:16:35,924 --> 01:16:38,765
Speaker 3: the time or place. But yes, I've done that more

1624
01:16:38,804 --> 01:16:42,254
Speaker 3: than once and you kids have seen it. Yeah. Maybe

1625
01:16:42,295 --> 01:16:45,035
Speaker 3: they would... How did it get to me? You.

1626
01:16:45,075 --> 01:16:46,824
Speaker 2: Because you ask these questions and people don't have answers.

1627
01:16:46,835 --> 01:16:48,884
Speaker 1: And she turned it back on you and said... That's true.

1628
01:16:49,514 --> 01:16:51,025
Speaker 3: What would surprise them about you?

1629
01:16:51,064 --> 01:16:54,644
Speaker 2: How about you love Seinfeld? Would that... No, that's not surprising.

1630
01:16:54,764 --> 01:16:58,825
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't love Seinfeld. I don't dislike Seinfeld.

1631
01:16:58,905 --> 01:17:02,525
Speaker 3: I like The Office more than I like Seinfeld. I

1632
01:17:02,545 --> 01:17:05,425
Speaker 3: think The Office is hilarious. And apparently I like The

1633
01:17:05,464 --> 01:17:07,465
Speaker 3: Simpsons because I watched it downstairs.

1634
01:17:07,505 --> 01:17:08,045
Speaker 2: And Woodlands.

1635
01:17:08,224 --> 01:17:08,804
Speaker 1: And Woodlands.

1636
01:17:08,865 --> 01:17:09,545
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

1637
01:17:10,005 --> 01:17:12,374
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll have to... When I come back

1638
01:17:12,495 --> 01:17:15,535
Speaker 2: for my second round here on your podcast, I'll have

1639
01:17:15,575 --> 01:17:16,054
Speaker 2: an answer.

1640
01:17:16,795 --> 01:17:17,824
Speaker 1: What was the last book you read?

1641
01:17:19,045 --> 01:17:23,905
Speaker 2: A book that I just got to read, Packers, The

1642
01:17:23,945 --> 01:17:26,765
Speaker 2: Knowing God. I just re-bought it. I read it in

1643
01:17:26,785 --> 01:17:29,025
Speaker 2: a long time. And so that's going to be back

1644
01:17:29,064 --> 01:17:29,665
Speaker 2: on my list to read.

1645
01:17:29,684 --> 01:17:34,494
Speaker 1: What is your favorite work of fiction? Like a fiction story,

1646
01:17:34,795 --> 01:17:37,835
Speaker 1: short story, novel? No, no.

1647
01:17:37,854 --> 01:17:38,434
Speaker 2: I'm not a reader.

1648
01:17:38,455 --> 01:17:42,455
Speaker 1: Are you a reader, Kathy? No. I like, I like, yeah, I.

1649
01:17:42,394 --> 01:17:44,934
Speaker 3: Like to read. She listens to a lot of books on. Audible.

1650
01:17:45,054 --> 01:17:45,555
Speaker 3: On Audible now.

1651
01:17:45,575 --> 01:17:47,854
Speaker 1: I do because, because my attention.

1652
01:17:47,875 --> 01:17:48,814
Speaker 3: Really boring books on my dad.

1653
01:17:48,835 --> 01:17:53,145
Speaker 1: I think attention span is like shorter because of all

1654
01:17:53,184 --> 01:17:54,665
Speaker 1: the stuff is so fast on phones.

1655
01:17:54,724 --> 01:17:57,405
Speaker 3: Wait, what were you just listening to? It was like,

1656
01:17:58,464 --> 01:18:03,664
Speaker 3: what was that? Something, not war and peace, but something like.

1657
01:18:04,184 --> 01:18:09,445
Speaker 1: It was, it was the Russian novelist. Yeah, it was, um.

1658
01:18:10,165 --> 01:18:13,985
Speaker 1: Brothers Karamazov. Yeah, I'm like, why? I haven't read so

1659
01:18:14,005 --> 01:18:16,485
Speaker 1: many classics that I'm like, but the way I do

1660
01:18:16,545 --> 01:18:20,265
Speaker 1: it now, because I get sleepy when I'm reading, is

1661
01:18:20,424 --> 01:18:22,765
Speaker 1: I'll go for a walk or I'm folding laundry or

1662
01:18:22,825 --> 01:18:24,885
Speaker 1: I'm doing yard work and I put on an audible

1663
01:18:25,214 --> 01:18:29,295
Speaker 1: and listen that way. What would surprise people about me

1664
01:18:29,974 --> 01:18:35,115
Speaker 1: is how much I love poetry. I love poetry. I love,

1665
01:18:35,275 --> 01:18:38,794
Speaker 1: I bore people with the things I like. I subscribe

1666
01:18:38,814 --> 01:18:41,214
Speaker 1: to a podcast called The Daily Poem.

1667
01:18:41,245 --> 01:18:42,344
Speaker 2: I would not have guessed that.

1668
01:18:42,384 --> 01:18:43,724
Speaker 1: And they're short, but I.

1669
01:18:44,104 --> 01:18:47,405
Speaker 3: And what would surprise people about me is I write poetry.

1670
01:18:47,424 --> 01:18:47,964
Speaker 1: I don't.

1671
01:18:48,104 --> 01:18:48,785
Speaker 3: I don't.

1672
01:18:50,045 --> 01:18:52,834
Speaker 1: You know what would surprise people about you? Is how

1673
01:18:52,915 --> 01:18:57,155
Speaker 1: much you sing. You sing... all the time at home

1674
01:18:57,255 --> 01:19:00,835
Speaker 1: in the shower and when you sang on sunday.

1675
01:19:00,634 --> 01:19:02,654
Speaker 2: People were like wow what does he sing.

1676
01:19:02,455 --> 01:19:05,385
Speaker 1: Really he sang a hymn he sang a holy spirit

1677
01:19:05,424 --> 01:19:08,104
Speaker 1: song we were praying about the you know being filled

1678
01:19:08,144 --> 01:19:09,424
Speaker 1: with the holy spirit and at the end of the

1679
01:19:09,464 --> 01:19:12,814
Speaker 1: service he led I guess you didn't like the song

1680
01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:15,715
Speaker 1: the worship team picked or you wanted another one, but

1681
01:19:15,755 --> 01:19:17,695
Speaker 1: you came out with this song. And I was like

1682
01:19:17,755 --> 01:19:21,095
Speaker 1: sitting there because we stream live first service to Orange

1683
01:19:21,115 --> 01:19:23,175
Speaker 1: County and I was sitting in the eight o'clock service.

1684
01:19:23,235 --> 01:19:26,235
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden I hear you're singing acapella

1685
01:19:26,314 --> 01:19:27,035
Speaker 1: all by yourself.

1686
01:19:27,514 --> 01:19:27,735
Speaker 3: Wow.

1687
01:19:27,775 --> 01:19:30,434
Speaker 2: That would be my worst nightmare. I mean, I talk

1688
01:19:30,455 --> 01:19:31,934
Speaker 2: about a singing incident in my book.

1689
01:19:32,094 --> 01:19:32,615
Speaker 1: Oh, I know.

1690
01:19:32,695 --> 01:19:35,855
Speaker 2: No, me too. I'm going up to talk. And they

1691
01:19:35,875 --> 01:19:38,014
Speaker 2: have my microphone already on. And there's a song going.

1692
01:19:38,054 --> 01:19:39,554
Speaker 2: I won't sing because I'm so afraid.

1693
01:19:39,875 --> 01:19:40,595
Speaker 3: Singing is just.

1694
01:19:40,655 --> 01:19:41,704
Speaker 2: I still have dreams.

1695
01:19:42,125 --> 01:19:45,184
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm with you on that. He loves to sing.

1696
01:19:45,205 --> 01:19:45,825
Speaker 3: I do.

1697
01:19:46,205 --> 01:19:50,365
Speaker 1: He loves to sing. All the time. Really, all the time.

1698
01:19:50,424 --> 01:19:53,415
Speaker 1: It really makes me happy. It's sort of a release.

1699
01:19:53,464 --> 01:19:56,254
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes even when you're under stress or going

1700
01:19:56,295 --> 01:19:58,775
Speaker 1: through something hard, I'll hear him singing.

1701
01:19:59,054 --> 01:19:59,514
Speaker 2: Can we hear it?

1702
01:19:59,554 --> 01:19:59,875
Speaker 1: And it's like.

1703
01:20:00,115 --> 01:20:00,375
Speaker 2: No. No.

1704
01:20:01,724 --> 01:20:04,685
Speaker 1: He sings a lot of Beatles songs. It's not like

1705
01:20:04,724 --> 01:20:05,964
Speaker 1: he's being very spiritual.

1706
01:20:06,025 --> 01:20:07,705
Speaker 2: I thought one of the questions was he's going to

1707
01:20:07,924 --> 01:20:09,104
Speaker 2: have me name all the Beatles.

1708
01:20:09,344 --> 01:20:10,104
Speaker 3: Oh, no.

1709
01:20:10,144 --> 01:20:13,004
Speaker 2: Can you name them all? Oh, I can't. You asked

1710
01:20:13,045 --> 01:20:13,995
Speaker 2: me this one time.

1711
01:20:14,005 --> 01:20:14,955
Speaker 1: Oh, that's embarrassing.

1712
01:20:14,964 --> 01:20:16,495
Speaker 3: Matthew, Mark, Luke.

1713
01:20:16,655 --> 01:20:21,434
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing how much Beatle trivia he knows. It's like

1714
01:20:21,474 --> 01:20:24,195
Speaker 1: that is occupying too much space in your brain.

1715
01:20:24,214 --> 01:20:26,254
Speaker 2: I did memorize them one time because you did ask

1716
01:20:26,295 --> 01:20:28,214
Speaker 2: me that one time when we were in Israel. And

1717
01:20:28,235 --> 01:20:32,554
Speaker 2: I forgot one. I forget which one I forgot. We

1718
01:20:32,575 --> 01:20:34,235
Speaker 2: were sitting in the King David and you asked me

1719
01:20:34,275 --> 01:20:36,775
Speaker 2: that and I failed. I was the millennial that did

1720
01:20:36,814 --> 01:20:37,335
Speaker 2: not know.

1721
01:20:37,354 --> 01:20:43,525
Speaker 1: Good for you. That's a good thing. It doesn't have

1722
01:20:43,545 --> 01:20:45,125
Speaker 1: to occupy any brain space.

1723
01:20:45,644 --> 01:20:48,245
Speaker 3: It's been so much fun talking to you. We've talked

1724
01:20:48,285 --> 01:20:51,604
Speaker 3: about so many important subjects. We will all be praying

1725
01:20:51,665 --> 01:20:54,745
Speaker 3: for you that you will be confirmed by the Senate

1726
01:20:55,165 --> 01:20:59,695
Speaker 3: for this amazing position. I think it's so great, Sissy,

1727
01:20:59,735 --> 01:21:03,955
Speaker 3: because You know, you're wise beyond your years, and you

1728
01:21:03,995 --> 01:21:06,375
Speaker 3: have so much to say to this younger generation. And

1729
01:21:06,394 --> 01:21:09,415
Speaker 3: they need to hear clear voices. They need to hear

1730
01:21:09,495 --> 01:21:14,635
Speaker 3: biblical voices. They need to hear people that have strong conviction,

1731
01:21:14,674 --> 01:21:16,955
Speaker 3: which you have. I think the title of your book

1732
01:21:17,035 --> 01:21:20,375
Speaker 3: is Perfect Stand Steady, because that's what you're doing, and

1733
01:21:20,434 --> 01:21:23,174
Speaker 3: that's what you will continue to do. And a whole

1734
01:21:23,235 --> 01:21:26,974
Speaker 3: young generation, especially young ladies, but young men too, but

1735
01:21:27,045 --> 01:21:30,145
Speaker 3: especially young girls. They need to hear your voice. So

1736
01:21:30,165 --> 01:21:33,885
Speaker 3: thanks for writing this book. And thanks for your stand

1737
01:21:33,905 --> 01:21:35,285
Speaker 3: for Christ all these years.

1738
01:21:36,144 --> 01:21:38,705
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me today. And as I just said,

1739
01:21:38,745 --> 01:21:41,224
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful. Grateful for y'all's friendship over the years.

1740
01:21:41,375 --> 01:21:44,235
Speaker 2: And you and Kathy have meant more to me than

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Speaker 2: you'll ever know. In your ministry, you've had a huge

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Speaker 2: spiritual impact on my life.

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Speaker 3: And I'm grateful.

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Speaker 1: Sissy, we are so grateful to be recording this podcast

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Speaker 1: with you. You are a delight. It's been a blessing

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Speaker 1: hearing how God is using you, and this book is

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Speaker 1: going to be amazing. It is needed. And then this

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Speaker 1: upcoming appointment and the nomination, God's going to be with you.

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Speaker 1: He's going to take care of all the home stuff

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Speaker 1: and all the kids' stuff and prepare you for that

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Speaker 1: Senate hearing. It's going to be good.

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Speaker 3: We'll be watching and praying. Things are coming.