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Speaker 1: Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton, your host, and

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Speaker 1: At Built Different, our mission is to provide encouragement, hope,

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Speaker 1: and challenge to help push you past your limits and

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Speaker 1: reach goals you never thought possible. Colossians 2 verse 6 says,

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Speaker 1: So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,

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Speaker 1: continue to live your lives in Him, rooted and built

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Speaker 2: Amen?

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Speaker 1: Now let's roll. Hello, everybody, and welcome back into the

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Speaker 1: Build Different podcast. As always, I'll be your host today, Dr.

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Speaker 1: Zach Clinton. And if you're anything like me, this, my

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Speaker 1: wife calls it Augtober because it is fall time. We

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Speaker 1: love faith, we love family, and we love football. Football

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Speaker 1: season is back on the mountain here at Liberty University.

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Speaker 1: And today we decided to sit down with a team captain,

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Speaker 1: a guy who has done a lot of good in

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Speaker 1: this program, who's brought a lot of energy to this program,

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Speaker 1: and He's from the Northeast. He's from Jersey. He makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of subs in Phillies, but more importantly, he

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Speaker 1: makes burgers. Cooking with Jersey Mike is in the house today.

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarvis, my friend. Thanks so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: I'm honored to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot of fun, my friend.

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Speaker 2: I tell you this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of excitement. There's a lot of buzz, again,

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Speaker 1: on the mountain up at Liberty University. Football season is back.

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Speaker 1: Saturday's a big game. It's the in-state rivalry for you guys.

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Speaker 1: James Madison University. You guys are going up there to JMU.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Harrisonburg. And it's a big game for

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Speaker 1: you guys. I know that there's a lot of excitement.

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Speaker 1: I guess my first question, man, is how do you

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Speaker 1: balance all of the excitement and the anticipation, the expectation,

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Speaker 1: and everything that you guys have on your shoulders as

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Speaker 1: you prepare for this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's definitely staying, like keeping your feet

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Speaker 2: where you are. And obviously it's very easy, big game,

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Speaker 2: first game. This game is going to set the tone

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Speaker 2: for the year. So obviously you start work in January,

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Speaker 2: don't make the moment too big than it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a football game and you're here to win, but

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Speaker 2: don't let the national team, They were in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: last year. Great. It's a great competition for us. New staff,

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Speaker 2: new team. Both teams are all brand new years. Everything's

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Speaker 2: new each year. So it's really just stay where your

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Speaker 2: advantage of the opportunity. And honor it. Honor it. Enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy it. You guys have been grinding for months, right?

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Speaker 1: Really for years. All of you guys are coming in

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Speaker 2: I think instead of writing a story, painting a masterpiece,

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Speaker 2: painting a beautiful picture. And obviously, from an individual aspect

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Speaker 2: from last year, you've got to take a step back.

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Speaker 2: And oversee it. Coach Scott says a great thing, point

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Speaker 2: You have to be. Everybody wants the outcome, but there's

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Speaker 1: It's a brotherhood.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not going to be clean every day.

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Speaker 2: We got to build each other up. So it's this year.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be something special. I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: And that's exciting to hear. I like the idea of

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Speaker 1: for for last year. Learning from it. Right. Not running

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Speaker 1: down to, and you know this, culture, right? You guys

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Speaker 1: You have to create it every single day. And so

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Speaker 1: for you guys, it seems to be, I'm grateful for

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Speaker 1: those listening and watching. I get the opportunity of serving

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Speaker 1: as the athletic counselor on staff there at Liberty University,

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Speaker 1: and it's a blast to engage with all the athletes.

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Speaker 1: But as I was speaking to a lot of the

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Speaker 1: What's the trend seem to be? Are you guys– is

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, 100%. And obviously, this is my sixth year

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Speaker 2: push each other. And then the maturity aspect is, it's

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Speaker 2: it's when you realize, like, your back's against the wall,

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Speaker 2: you're always forward. Yeah. And you've got to ball your

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Speaker 2: It's all about elevating people to come together to achieve

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Speaker 2: need to understand the mission, and that's what makes the maturity.

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Speaker 2: If you're a mature group, then you're not going to

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Speaker 2: do all the little– The dumb things, obviously they come

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Speaker 2: like men. That's the biggest thing is maturity and respect.

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Speaker 1: Because I was going to say with the new NIL

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Speaker 1: era and the transfer portal era, which really doesn't preach

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Speaker 1: a fidelity to a university or like a loyalty. It's a,

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Speaker 1: if I don't like it here, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: then there's this idea of those who have stuck around, right?

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Speaker 1: Even after maybe a year like last year, that was

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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we have unfinished business. I'm just thinking

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Speaker 1: leave behind? What do you hope that people think of

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Speaker 1: when they hear the name Mike Jarvis after you get

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Speaker 1: off the football field? Maybe you move on, hopefully to

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Speaker 2: I think, and it's something that you hit me in

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Speaker 2: And it was, there were so many thoughts, conversations at

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Speaker 2: the end of the year to just leave. Yeah. Just,

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Speaker 1: We talked about it. I remember you called me.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it. Yeah. Because it's like, It's so

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Speaker 2: easy nowadays, like you just said, up and leave. Go somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Grass isn't always greener somewhere else. It's not. It may

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Speaker 2: of something special and not even a rebuild of something,

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Speaker 2: but turn this thing around. And it's like I want

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Speaker 2: to be remembered as someone who's a foxhole guy. I

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Speaker 2: love military terms, and I love being in the foxhole

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Speaker 2: with the guys– getting shots fired, just battling with the

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Speaker 2: going to, we're going to get this done. Not we'll

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Speaker 2: figure it out. No, we're going to get it done.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get this thing going. It's not, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I think I know, I know we're going to fix this. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it was, we were going to fix this and

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Speaker 2: make sure my lap, like this is my last year.

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Speaker 2: The other seniors last year's guys like last year's or

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Speaker 2: even young guys. Like you want to win. You want

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Speaker 2: to win. The end of the goal was the win. Yes.

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Speaker 2: It's sports, but it's, We're going to win and we're

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Speaker 2: going to enjoy this year. We're not going to sit back.

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Speaker 2: I played the victim card last year. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to sit here and lie. I played the victim card

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Speaker 2: last year at the end of the year. I would

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Speaker 2: back to pointing the thumb, not the finger. And I

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Speaker 2: was like, that is so toxic. And I want to

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Speaker 2: be known as the person that stayed, fought, fought with

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Speaker 2: the boys, was positive, and we got this thing figured out.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And we had a crazy year.

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Speaker 1: to say you're listening to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton.

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Speaker 1: talked about this. There's no secret to success. I think

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Speaker 1: What does that word, especially for the team, mean to

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Speaker 2: I think obviously the word standard is a very strong word.

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Speaker 1: Right, man. I like the idea of communication. before you correct.

426
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Speaker 1: And like you said, good leaders make you believe in them.

427
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Speaker 1: Great leaders make you believe in you. It's a powerful phrase, man.

428
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Speaker 1: That's a really good one. That's one that you should

429
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Speaker 1: coin because, man, that's something that you can bank on.

430
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is leadership, I think,

431
00:20:06,430 --> 00:20:09,020
Speaker 1: is broken down like the best leaders are the ones

432
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Speaker 1: that have a good core, like they're centered, right? They're

433
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Speaker 1: people that are living and breathing examples of maybe what

434
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Speaker 1: it means to live a life that exudes that of Christ, right?

435
00:20:20,050 --> 00:20:23,530
Speaker 1: They are servants just naturally in what they do. Number two,

436
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Speaker 1: they're curious. I think they're curious about other people. They're

437
00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: curious about what makes you tick because, again, my goal

438
00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:31,380
Speaker 1: is to get the best out of you, not just

439
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Speaker 1: make you believe in me and even follow me. My

440
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,740
Speaker 1: goal oftentimes is to help you become the best version

441
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Speaker 1: of yourself, a version that looks a lot more like

442
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Speaker 1: Christ every single day. So they have a good core,

443
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Speaker 1: a good center. They're curious. But then also, lastly, I

444
00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:48,110
Speaker 1: think they're consistent. Leadership, you have to be consistent every

445
00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:49,730
Speaker 1: single day. If you're going to be a good leader,

446
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:51,950
Speaker 1: people can't wonder what Mike Jarvis is going to walk

447
00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:54,170
Speaker 1: in today, right? Is this Jersey Mike or is this

448
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:57,030
Speaker 1: Mike Jarvis or is this the guy who's the stickler? No,

449
00:20:57,050 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: they got to know that you're the same person. And

450
00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,020
Speaker 1: so I want to go into the backwater of your

451
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Speaker 1: story here for a moment. Just simply because I think

452
00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,730
Speaker 1: about you, and I think about that you're funny, and

453
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Speaker 1: I think about just the charismatic leader that you are,

454
00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 1: and I think about how many people love you, but

455
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Speaker 1: I want to know the backwater. I want our audience

456
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Speaker 1: to understand what helped raise you into the man that's

457
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Speaker 1: sitting across from me today with some of these incredible

458
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Speaker 1: terms and somebody that's pushed through adversity. What was home

459
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Speaker 1: life like? What was childhood like? What was the family

460
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Speaker 1: dynamic at home?

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I come from split family, divorced parents. Before

462
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Speaker 2: I could even remember. I only remember mom, dad split

463
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Speaker 2: and stepdad, stepmom in the picture. And some people look

464
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Speaker 2: at it as a curse. I look at it as

465
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Speaker 2: a blessing. Everything happens for a reason. It's just up

466
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Speaker 2: to you to figure out what the reason the Lord

467
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Speaker 2: had for that moment. And it allowed me to gain

468
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Speaker 2: three stepbrothers and a stepsister in the process too. Three

469
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Speaker 2: from my stepdad and one from my stepmom. And then

470
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Speaker 2: my sister, like... When I was young growing up, like

471
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Speaker 2: when you're young, like you butt heads a little bit

472
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Speaker 2: with your sister. Oh, yeah. You don't want to hang

473
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Speaker 2: out with the girls or whatever. You just want to

474
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Speaker 2: hang out with the guys. And it's as I got

475
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Speaker 2: older and the more, I guess, matured, the closer my

476
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Speaker 2: sister and I got. And I think even like our

477
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Speaker 2: parents being separated at such a young age, like I

478
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Speaker 2: don't have any recollection of it. Yeah. But every day,

479
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Speaker 2: like I go to her with everything because she's a

480
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Speaker 2: supporter of backbone she comes to me with things like

481
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Speaker 2: and as we get older and we mature it's like

482
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Speaker 2: we look forward to our times like i'll book trips

483
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Speaker 2: and go see her and it's like so she she

484
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Speaker 2: is somebody who's consistent and she works her tail off

485
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Speaker 2: with what she does and again we got so much

486
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Speaker 2: work ethic from like our father he owned a business

487
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Speaker 2: for 35 years full business and it's there's some good

488
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Speaker 2: things just dumb things and he's man enough to say

489
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Speaker 2: it but um like we learned a lot of hard

490
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Speaker 2: work from him and then Bring my stepdad into the picture,

491
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Speaker 2: who's somebody who had his kids always in athletics. And

492
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Speaker 2: he's the one that got me into football. And without him,

493
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here. Wow. Because he's the one that

494
00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:18,670
Speaker 2: connected us. 2022, send me a video before I even

495
00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:23,470
Speaker 2: came here. But I saw my stepbrother playing football, and

496
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Speaker 2: I was like, it's kind of cool. I was a

497
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Speaker 2: baseball guy growing up.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

499
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Speaker 2: And I was like, I love baseball, love baseball. And

500
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Speaker 2: then he, there was one day we sat down before

501
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Speaker 2: eighth grade and he's like, if you want to play

502
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Speaker 2: in high school, you gotta, you gotta play in eighth

503
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Speaker 2: grade just to get your feet, get your feet wet.

504
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Speaker 2: And so then that, that took his place and now

505
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Speaker 2: we're here. So he's someone I'm forever indebted to with that.

506
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Speaker 2: And then my mom, she's, she's the nucleus of it all. She,

507
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Speaker 2: everything runs through her. And it's just, she's a, A

508
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Speaker 2: hundred percent Italian loves you hard and she's crazy, but

509
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Speaker 2: we love her.

510
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Speaker 1: And that we love her.

511
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Speaker 2: That's, that's the thing. And it's about her. It's like,

512
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Speaker 2: you know, you're getting every day out of her. Yeah.

513
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Speaker 2: Like she is going to be on you. She wants

514
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Speaker 2: to know what's going on all the time, but she,

515
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Speaker 2: and she will do, she loves hard. She loves hard.

516
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Speaker 2: And it eventually caught up to her eventually getting that,

517
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Speaker 2: but she will put everyone before herself. And it's, it's beautiful.

518
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Speaker 2: And it's like when you, When I look at my

519
00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:21,460
Speaker 2: sister and my mom and it's like these two, it's

520
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Speaker 2: like I always crack jokes on my sister. I'm like,

521
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Speaker 2: because when I'm with my sister, she turns into mom.

522
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Speaker 2: And it's like, you're going to be waiting. You're going

523
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Speaker 2: to be like, mom, maybe worse. But it's just a

524
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Speaker 2: funny joke. But it comes with a loving family. And

525
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Speaker 2: just like apart from like all the differences and everything

526
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Speaker 2: from both sides, it's like my stepmom loved, like she

527
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Speaker 2: loved us like we were her own. She lost her

528
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Speaker 2: son at a young age. And it's like she took

529
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Speaker 2: care of my sister and I too when they had us.

530
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Speaker 2: They did a great job co-parenting. They put everything aside.

531
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Speaker 2: Whatever thoughts they had about each other, they dropped. They

532
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Speaker 2: always made sure we would try to go on and

533
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Speaker 2: off every day. So, again, they put the kids first,

534
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Speaker 2: and it was fun. It was hard times, but it

535
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Speaker 2: was fun. It was fun. And we always had everything

536
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Speaker 2: that we needed.

537
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was going to ask, you know, as

538
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Speaker 1: it related to, Football, I heard you say that you

539
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:12,770
Speaker 1: were introduced to that by your stepdad. And that was

540
00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:15,430
Speaker 1: what you said, eighth grade year is when you started playing? Yeah.

541
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Speaker 2: So I played in kindergarten, quit, hated it. I was like,

542
00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:18,850
Speaker 2: I'm never playing this thing again.

543
00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:21,710
Speaker 1: Get me out of this. What did football bring? Maybe

544
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:23,730
Speaker 1: in the midst of, although there was a lot of love,

545
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:27,790
Speaker 1: there was maybe some inconsistencies, right? And football, sports can

546
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,380
Speaker 1: almost become an outlet for some kids. Unfortunately, for some kids,

547
00:25:30,450 --> 00:25:32,820
Speaker 1: it can become an identity because they place all their stock,

548
00:25:32,859 --> 00:25:35,580
Speaker 1: all their eggs in this one basket. But for you,

549
00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:39,500
Speaker 1: for somebody that maybe there's inconsistency around, Again, a lot

550
00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: of love and incredible family. I can't wait to meet

551
00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:43,890
Speaker 1: some of your family, by the way, in the coming weeks.

552
00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:46,610
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking about the game of football probably

553
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:50,710
Speaker 1: brought a deeply rooted sense of consistency into your life.

554
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Speaker 1: Like you knew what you were going to get every

555
00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:56,310
Speaker 1: single day. Speak to just what has football taught you,

556
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: especially in those early formative years growing up. What were

557
00:25:59,540 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: some of the principles you learned along the way in

558
00:26:01,380 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: those years?

559
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: Football and I think all sports both build character. I

560
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,050
Speaker 2: think every kid should be in sports, whatever sport it is.

561
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: Agreed.

562
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,590
Speaker 2: Like multiple sports. It teaches discipline. Yeah. Work ethic.

563
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:12,910
Speaker 1: Yeah.

564
00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:15,770
Speaker 2: How to work together. Like it shows you how to

565
00:26:15,790 --> 00:26:18,230
Speaker 2: get in a routine. And it's like, yeah, when you're

566
00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:20,389
Speaker 2: young and you talk about like a lot of times

567
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:23,709
Speaker 2: I struggle with it too. Before I matured, I put

568
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:25,629
Speaker 2: a lot of my identity in football. Yeah. And can

569
00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:27,590
Speaker 2: we be honest? And it's probably still do at times.

570
00:26:27,609 --> 00:26:30,010
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. A hundred percent. Cause it's what you know. Yeah.

571
00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:31,830
Speaker 1: It's the language you speak. It's all you do.

572
00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:35,870
Speaker 2: And it's the fact that like you love something so

573
00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: much and it's like, Sports don't love you back, but

574
00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:41,100
Speaker 2: you love that sport and you'll do anything and you'll

575
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:41,859
Speaker 2: die for that sport.

576
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: The problem is that they owe you nothing.

577
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:48,070
Speaker 2: They owe you nothing. And it's definitely can be, you

578
00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:49,930
Speaker 2: got to be careful with it, but it's definitely, you

579
00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:52,590
Speaker 2: got to love it and take advantage of the opportunity,

580
00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:56,010
Speaker 2: take advantage of opportunities too. Yeah. But no, it means

581
00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:58,860
Speaker 2: it builds character. Sports build character and you need that.

582
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,659
Speaker 1: You had an incredible family, a solid community. God is

583
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: beginning to form your character through a game of football.

584
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:08,949
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were close to God up

585
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:09,750
Speaker 1: until that point.

586
00:27:09,790 --> 00:27:10,310
Speaker 2: Not really, no.

587
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:14,050
Speaker 1: Not really. No. And so he's maybe inadvertently using football

588
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:16,740
Speaker 1: to shape you. He opens up a door.

589
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

590
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:20,910
Speaker 1: And it's to the University of Wisconsin. I mean, coming

591
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:23,470
Speaker 1: out of high school, a Big Ten school, let alone,

592
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:25,750
Speaker 1: were you always a defensive player, like a D and

593
00:27:25,790 --> 00:27:28,030
Speaker 1: a nose guard? Was that your position the entire way?

594
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mainly played defense in high school, and

595
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:31,780
Speaker 2: then as I got older, I played a little bit

596
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,490
Speaker 2: of both ways, D-line and O-line. But I grew up,

597
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: and I didn't watch college football, but I knew the

598
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,500
Speaker 2: Watt brothers.

599
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,790
Speaker 1: I was about to say. I mean, that's what made

600
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:42,570
Speaker 1: Wisconsin huge were the Watts. It was the Watt brothers,

601
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:45,430
Speaker 1: and as soon as I had that opportunity— It was

602
00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: a dream come true. I remember I wrote down 10

603
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,980
Speaker 1: schools that I had dreams of going to, and Wisconsin

604
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,540
Speaker 1: was number one.

605
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,020
Speaker 2: Wow.

606
00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, my gosh. Your dream school,

607
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,700
Speaker 1: banging on the door.

608
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's the only school I really know.

609
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: And the opportunity, I was like, I need to go.

610
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I need to go. I

611
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: need to chase this dream.

612
00:28:06,260 --> 00:28:09,660
Speaker 1: When you get there, things didn't go as planned.

613
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

614
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: And, you know, Mike Tyson, I love. His statement, everybody's

615
00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

616
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,899
Speaker 1: You were punched in the mouth, not once, not really twice,

617
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: probably three times or so while you were there. Just

618
00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:27,100
Speaker 1: open up this can of worms, if you would. When

619
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,580
Speaker 1: you get there, you're excited. There's a lot of expectancy,

620
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: probably a lot of expectation on you because I'm assuming

621
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,790
Speaker 1: you're a big dude. You're coming in. I want to

622
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:38,690
Speaker 1: be the next TJ, JJ Watt. I want to be

623
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:40,950
Speaker 1: the guy coming off the edge, sacking the QB. I

624
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:43,230
Speaker 1: have all these dreams, goals, getting to the next level

625
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:45,490
Speaker 1: of the NFL, but then boom, ACL.

626
00:28:45,650 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

627
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,650
Speaker 1: Take us into that.

628
00:28:46,670 --> 00:28:49,660
Speaker 2: I think it, even before that ACL, it kind of

629
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: started maybe. I think going to a school like that,

630
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,620
Speaker 2: and it was during COVID, and during obviously 2020, it's

631
00:28:57,740 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: a crazy year. Yeah. And I think I felt like

632
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: I had a self-entitlement almost. To, like, all right, I'm

633
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,020
Speaker 2: going to this big school. I'll be here for four,

634
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,220
Speaker 2: maybe five years. I'll play, go to the NFL. Yeah. Like,

635
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,930
Speaker 2: it was, at the time, it was pre-NAL. It's a

636
00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:16,469
Speaker 2: developmental school. They develop your guys two, three years, get

637
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:19,290
Speaker 2: them ready, and then they play. Yep. So that's my

638
00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:24,490
Speaker 2: first thought. And I remember I was early enrolled in 2021.

639
00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:27,330
Speaker 2: Left high school early, excited. You get there, me and

640
00:29:27,370 --> 00:29:29,290
Speaker 2: six others, and then you find, like, a cool group

641
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:32,910
Speaker 2: of guys, and it's Jake, Riley, Jack. Like, there's, like,

642
00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:37,050
Speaker 2: We did everything together. And then that first spring ball

643
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:41,010
Speaker 2: is when I realized like, okay. I'm with the big

644
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: boys now. That's right. It's a lot different than high school.

645
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm like 260 going against all Big Ten guys, some All-Americans,

646
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: just getting jacked up, getting jacked up a little bit.

647
00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, quick little humbling. Yeah. So, you know,

648
00:29:56,020 --> 00:29:58,790
Speaker 2: redshirt freshman year. I'm like, all right, good. like character

649
00:29:58,810 --> 00:30:01,390
Speaker 2: building year, tough. Like it sucks. And it was like,

650
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: you got, uh, kids, kids playing when they're younger. Like

651
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,590
Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough to see a roommate, Jake at the,

652
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: like when we were roommates, he's playing his freshman year

653
00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: on special teams. And it's like, that's sick. And it's like,

654
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: he's out there already. Like this is, this is awesome.

655
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: I said, all right, like you're still back with some

656
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:20,380
Speaker 2: of the boys, but like you boys are traveling, you're

657
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: on scout team, just going through it. And it's come

658
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,380
Speaker 2: a summer of 2022. It's like, all right, like, Took

659
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,940
Speaker 2: everything the last year. Like, I put on some weight. Physically,

660
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

661
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:32,820
Speaker 1: Yep.

662
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: Not even thinking about the mind. Haven't even got to

663
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: that yet. Not worried about that. I'm strong. I'm tough.

664
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:40,270
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm a dude. Yeah. Like, show no weakness.

665
00:30:40,330 --> 00:30:45,290
Speaker 2: Show no weakness. Get in the camp. August 8th, two

666
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:48,270
Speaker 2: guys go down ahead of me. So I'm like, oh, wow.

667
00:30:48,990 --> 00:30:50,230
Speaker 2: The opportunity might come this year.

668
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: This is it.

669
00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:56,180
Speaker 2: August 9th happens. I remember we're in a drill called Paz,

670
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,940
Speaker 2: and it's just grueling. It's way worse than inside run

671
00:30:59,980 --> 00:31:03,290
Speaker 2: if people know what inside run is. It's just defense

672
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:06,370
Speaker 2: alignment taking on double teams for 10 minutes, just fighting

673
00:31:06,390 --> 00:31:08,790
Speaker 2: double teams. And I felt like a knee crack, and

674
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: I was like, whatever, whatever, who cares? Get back up.

675
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Didn't feel much. It felt normal. We're on inside run.

676
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm engaged with the double team. Bang, something shoots down

677
00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: my leg. I'm like, it didn't really hurt. I went down,

678
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,100
Speaker 2: popped up. I was like, this doesn't feel right. Go

679
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,660
Speaker 2: to the sideline. Trainer checks me out. Whatever. Throw a

680
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:32,700
Speaker 2: knee wrap on it. Get back out there. I'm like,

681
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,530
Speaker 2: I'm not letting this stop me. I'm like, I know

682
00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:37,810
Speaker 2: something's wrong, but I'm not worried. It was just uncomfortable.

683
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:39,030
Speaker 2: It was just uncomfortable. I was like, we'll deal with

684
00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:42,850
Speaker 2: this later. Like, I have an opportunity, and I got

685
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:44,770
Speaker 2: to show them tough that I got to take advantage

686
00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:46,070
Speaker 2: of this because, like you said, you never know if

687
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:48,790
Speaker 2: your opportunity is ever going to come again. Yeah. A

688
00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: couple periods later, we're in a pass drill, pass rush drill,

689
00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:57,090
Speaker 2: going against one of my best friends, Raleigh Malman. I

690
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:59,950
Speaker 2: get off the line, my leg buckles and I just

691
00:31:59,990 --> 00:32:02,750
Speaker 2: like immediately felt the excruciating pain and just like shoot

692
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:04,870
Speaker 2: down my leg and just lock up. And all I

693
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:09,170
Speaker 2: remember hearing is, so are you good from Riley? And

694
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there screaming just like, cause I've never

695
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:15,140
Speaker 2: felt pain like that before. Yeah. And I, and I

696
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: immediately thought like my season's over, my season's over. This

697
00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: is something, something's truly, truly wrong here. And then trainers

698
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: get me up and it was just, this was like,

699
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:30,650
Speaker 2: this moment from my leg buckling to getting off the

700
00:32:30,670 --> 00:32:33,690
Speaker 2: field was like a true, like pride in a way,

701
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:36,690
Speaker 2: but also like respect for myself. It was like, do

702
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:38,260
Speaker 2: you need a wheelchair or something? Get off the field.

703
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, like I got on this field

704
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: with two feet. I'm walking off this field with two feet.

705
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,700
Speaker 2: And that for me was kind of like a shift. Yeah.

706
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: And it was like, all right, I was tough before,

707
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,500
Speaker 2: but I was like, I know that I'm not going

708
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,180
Speaker 2: to let this hold me down. Yeah. And I had

709
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,030
Speaker 2: two unbelievable trainers, Corral and Alyssa. Alyssa was a, graduate

710
00:32:56,590 --> 00:33:00,610
Speaker 2: student at the time and she poured way too much

711
00:33:00,670 --> 00:33:03,330
Speaker 2: time into me and cared so much about the treatment

712
00:33:03,450 --> 00:33:05,510
Speaker 2: and it was it was beautiful not even way too

713
00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:07,950
Speaker 2: much but she cared so much about the process so

714
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:11,650
Speaker 2: those two are like I'm forever indebted to and especially

715
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:13,470
Speaker 2: she could have she was a student she didn't have

716
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:15,470
Speaker 2: to always be there so that obviously you go through

717
00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:18,630
Speaker 2: that whole process and I've it's a long grueling process

718
00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:22,990
Speaker 2: and you learn a lot and it's this quote Romans

719
00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: 8 18 it was something that You know, again, I

720
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,860
Speaker 2: didn't really have a spiritual background. Like I was raised

721
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: Italian Catholic and it was, yeah, it was that. And

722
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,270
Speaker 2: then like there was, you sit there and you read

723
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:38,470
Speaker 2: these quotes and you're like, oh, that's sick. And it was,

724
00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:40,310
Speaker 2: yet we suffer now is nothing compared to what the

725
00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:43,510
Speaker 2: joy is coming. And it kept popping up. Didn't know

726
00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:47,430
Speaker 2: what it meant. All right, whatever. Keep going. Keep going.

727
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:50,090
Speaker 2: Come out of it. You know, you create some of

728
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:52,490
Speaker 2: the best friends that you get. Like one person I

729
00:33:52,510 --> 00:33:55,430
Speaker 2: talk to all the time still, Aaron Witt. When I

730
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,770
Speaker 2: think of someone who's a warrior and been through it,

731
00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:01,290
Speaker 2: it's that guy. And his story's out there too, and

732
00:34:01,510 --> 00:34:06,300
Speaker 2: it's incredible. But that's someone who I'm grateful that injury happened,

733
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:08,779
Speaker 2: this injury happened, because when it changed me, but it

734
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: also brought me closer to people that I may not

735
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:15,420
Speaker 2: have been close to. So then fast forward, we get

736
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: a staff change through the season. We find out we're

737
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: getting a new head coach coming into 2023.

738
00:34:20,860 --> 00:34:21,259
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.

739
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: Still going through the ACR rehab process. Still got about

740
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: another half a year left. All right, reset. New staff,

741
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:32,700
Speaker 2: fresh everything. Like, they don't know the old Mike Jarvis.

742
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,339
Speaker 2: All they know is the Mike Jarvis to this day.

743
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:38,710
Speaker 2: The one that's in the rehab, getting ready. And at

744
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:43,069
Speaker 2: this time is when the Lord started, I guess, being

745
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:47,109
Speaker 2: more presented in my life. And Coach Dustin Tripp, who

746
00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:50,460
Speaker 2: was a strength coach, and he's the best. And he

747
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: always did– You're going to come to church with me.

748
00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to extend the offer. And then after, we're

749
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: going to come to my house and we'll eat. You're

750
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,580
Speaker 2: only coming to my house. Come to church. I'll see

751
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,460
Speaker 2: you at church. And then I had him. And then

752
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,379
Speaker 2: I had my roommate, Jake Chaney, who, a faithful man

753
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: growing up. So he was always in my corner trying to,

754
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: you know, push it too. And again, like it was

755
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,490
Speaker 2: still like I was just checking the box. I didn't really,

756
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:18,859
Speaker 2: you know, dive in. Dive into the word, really think

757
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,110
Speaker 2: too much of it. Again, just like checking a box. Oh,

758
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:26,549
Speaker 2: I'm going, so I'm feeling good. Like, no. So 2023

759
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:30,410
Speaker 2: rolls around. Again, still doing that stuff. I get cleared.

760
00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:34,980
Speaker 2: Day I get cleared, I know something's wrong mentally. Yeah.

761
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: Not physically, mentally. I felt like a sense of that's it.

762
00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm cleared. I'm back to playing football. I'm not happy.

763
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:47,310
Speaker 2: And I have all these people around me telling me,

764
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:50,230
Speaker 2: you're back, you're back, you're probably so excited. And on

765
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:52,130
Speaker 2: the surface, I'm like, yeah, I'm so fired up. But

766
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:56,850
Speaker 2: like deep down, I'm like, this is it. Miserable. Like

767
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:58,690
Speaker 2: I'd rather be in the training room at five in

768
00:35:58,710 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: the morning or late at night doing treatment. Going through

769
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:08,140
Speaker 2: two workouts a day for a knee. Yeah. And it's like,

770
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting here looking at being back after I

771
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,729
Speaker 2: just relearned how to walk. Yeah. And all X, Y, Z,

772
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:19,890
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting here laughing at being back. I'm like, miserable.

773
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:24,250
Speaker 2: I said, this isn't good. But again, this isn't good.

774
00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:26,089
Speaker 1: Anything that you would attribute that to? Because I'm just

775
00:36:26,110 --> 00:36:28,819
Speaker 1: thinking for some people coming back from an injury, they

776
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,819
Speaker 1: pray for the opportunity to get back on the field.

777
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,610
Speaker 1: They get out there, and it's like, man, I realize

778
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: how much I missed it. It sounds like it was

779
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,779
Speaker 1: almost the opposite for you.

780
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:40,900
Speaker 2: The opposite. And I don't know. And it was scary mentally.

781
00:36:43,219 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: And it was like you're just like lost. Yeah. It's like, oh, my.

782
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,060
Speaker 2: There's a guy like Aaron Woods, somebody who missed like

783
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: two and a half seasons, who would die on the

784
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,469
Speaker 2: field just itching to get an opportunity. And I'm sitting

785
00:36:52,489 --> 00:36:58,710
Speaker 2: there like not laughing, but just like, eh, whatever. Yeah.

786
00:36:58,830 --> 00:37:03,050
Speaker 2: And I'm back. So get through camp. Don't have a

787
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: good camp. I don't. Physically, I don't feel right. Mentally,

788
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm just not there. Yeah. And it's like I'm showing up,

789
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: doing my things, putting on this front that I care.

790
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:15,620
Speaker 2: that I'm busting my tail. But, like, deep down, it's

791
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: killing me, eating me alive. And I would never– again,

792
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,390
Speaker 2: I bottled a lot of stuff up. I wouldn't want

793
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:24,210
Speaker 2: to tell anything to anybody. And then when the season came,

794
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:30,029
Speaker 2: going into my junior year, and obviously, like, all freshmen, like,

795
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:32,969
Speaker 2: they're in, like, scout team, power out of these extra

796
00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:36,210
Speaker 2: workout groups. And so I'm in my third year coming

797
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: back from ACL. So I scout team freshman year, ACL

798
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: second year. Back on scout team my third year. And

799
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm just like– Frustrating for anybody listening that doesn't understand

800
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:49,259
Speaker 2: the process. I'm just like, are you serious, Mike? Like

801
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,259
Speaker 2: what is– and I'm playing this victim card left and right.

802
00:37:52,739 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: I'm better than him. I work so much harder than him.

803
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:59,569
Speaker 2: He doesn't deserve this. He'll go out and party all weekend.

804
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:03,129
Speaker 2: I'll stay in just because I– no, I deserve that.

805
00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:05,730
Speaker 2: But it's like the facts don't care about your emotions.

806
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:09,450
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that a lot of people misunderstand.

807
00:38:10,070 --> 00:38:12,779
Speaker 2: Like a coach has it out for me. He doesn't

808
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,170
Speaker 2: like me. No, no, no. What's the evidence in what

809
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:19,549
Speaker 2: you're doing? Are you proving that you deserve to be

810
00:38:19,610 --> 00:38:23,390
Speaker 2: out there? Are you actually ready physically and mentally and

811
00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: more mentally than physically? Or is it just emotionally you

812
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, I should be out there. I'm better

813
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,220
Speaker 2: than him. He doesn't deserve this. And you get yourself

814
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: into comparing. And when you start comparing yourself to other people. Trap, bro. Trap.

815
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:39,670
Speaker 2: And then it's like you're mad at other people. None

816
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:42,470
Speaker 2: of these guys did anything to me. And I'm jealous

817
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:45,950
Speaker 2: of him, mad at him. And I'm like, but in

818
00:38:45,969 --> 00:38:50,950
Speaker 2: the moment, I'm not realizing this. I'm just, again, playing

819
00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:51,730
Speaker 2: this victim card.

820
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: And then.

821
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: Getting to the season in these long workouts with freshmen

822
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: and it's like, why am I in here? I'm the

823
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:06,629
Speaker 2: oldest guy in this place. And it's embarrassing. And to me,

824
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:08,910
Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed at this time. You look at me now,

825
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:12,009
Speaker 2: I'm so happy. But, like, I'm embarrassed. Yeah, you're ticked.

826
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:14,089
Speaker 2: And it's like, I can't believe this. I'm doing these

827
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,259
Speaker 2: hard workouts. Like, I should be out there with the guys.

828
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: Some guys that were on the scout team that were

829
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,190
Speaker 2: older weren't doing it. And it was me and Ashley Crazy,

830
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:28,870
Speaker 2: a teammate that was at Wisconsin, who's kind of led

831
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:31,870
Speaker 2: me to here, Aiden Vaughn. We were in the same boat.

832
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:33,050
Speaker 2: I was just a year older than him, and he

833
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:34,890
Speaker 2: was a year younger than me, and he miscan't with concussion.

834
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:36,790
Speaker 2: So we got put in the same boat, and we

835
00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:39,950
Speaker 2: went through a lot that year together. But again, we, like,

836
00:39:40,969 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: get to bye week, I think that I have a shot. No. Again,

837
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: guys don't care about your emotions. Get through the end

838
00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:50,940
Speaker 2: of the season. I remember sitting down– or actually calling

839
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:55,219
Speaker 2: on a real close friend of mine, Hunter Wohler, who

840
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: played his freshman year. He was going into his senior year,

841
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: fourth year, and we were just talking, and I was like, dude,

842
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,819
Speaker 2: I don't get it anymore, man. What is happening? Why me?

843
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: Why me? Why me? And he's the one that got

844
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:15,820
Speaker 2: me into, there was a Bible study for athletes at Wisconsin.

845
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,420
Speaker 2: He's the one that started bringing me to that. And

846
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: I was like, all right. So, again, the Lord's trying

847
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:26,390
Speaker 2: to grab all these different people. They're only in my

848
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:29,730
Speaker 2: life to open up my eyes. But, again, I'm putting

849
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:33,250
Speaker 2: these blinders on. I got this. I'm figuring this thing out.

850
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:37,050
Speaker 2: I don't need you. Like, it may sound cool in

851
00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: the moment or, no, it's fine. Like, I'll just go

852
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,819
Speaker 2: and check the box. Like, I went there. I should

853
00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: reap some sort of benefit, right? 24 comes rolling around.

854
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,149
Speaker 2: Get a new position coach. All right. another reset. Let's go.

855
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:53,109
Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's reset again. I'm giving, I'm giving myself

856
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:56,210
Speaker 2: all these excuses and all these resets. And I'm like,

857
00:40:57,250 --> 00:41:01,310
Speaker 2: we get to spring ball, uh, a kid ahead of

858
00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:04,390
Speaker 2: me transfers. I'm like, Oh, another opportunity. Here we go.

859
00:41:05,090 --> 00:41:07,060
Speaker 2: And I'm like, we got three or four days left

860
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:10,660
Speaker 2: in camp. And then, um, April 24th, I get a

861
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: text about like 12, 15, my position coach. Hey, we

862
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: need to see you at three. I'm like my head.

863
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like I'm having a good spring.

864
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: Just feel like I got moved up. Like, I wonder

865
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: what this could be about. Like, it's an off day.

866
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,989
Speaker 2: Not really thinking anything of it. And then right before

867
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:34,230
Speaker 2: I get up there, it's go to the head coach's office. And, like,

868
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:41,170
Speaker 2: my heart drops. Like, did I do anything? What did

869
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: I do? I'm trying to replay all these scenarios in

870
00:41:43,739 --> 00:41:46,020
Speaker 2: my head. Did I do something? No. I didn't do anything.

871
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:51,299
Speaker 2: All right. No, man, sit down. Immediately hits you with.

872
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: We just don't see any improvement. And in my head, I'm, like,

873
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,450
Speaker 2: fighting back tears. Because, like, the first, like, you were told, like,

874
00:42:02,969 --> 00:42:06,150
Speaker 2: your whole life or, you know, you're talented or in

875
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:07,810
Speaker 2: high school you're the man or you go to this

876
00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:10,890
Speaker 2: bigger school off rip. You feel, like, felt entitled to, oh,

877
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:13,670
Speaker 2: I'm the man. And then you got quick humbled and

878
00:42:13,690 --> 00:42:15,089
Speaker 2: you went through all these things. But it's, like, you've

879
00:42:15,110 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: never truly been told that. you're not living up to

880
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,780
Speaker 2: what we need you to do. And in that moment,

881
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: it was like a hatred towards the guy. And it's like,

882
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,489
Speaker 2: in that moment, I didn't realize, like, I shouldn't be

883
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:33,850
Speaker 2: mad at him. He's got a job. I may not agree,

884
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:36,330
Speaker 2: but that's not, I shouldn't hate the guy. So I

885
00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:42,060
Speaker 2: kind of was left with either medically retire, because they

886
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: were like, your knee, like, we still think your knee's

887
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,180
Speaker 2: giving you some issues. In my head, I'm like, no, like,

888
00:42:46,219 --> 00:42:47,930
Speaker 2: it's like, I told him, I was like, I got

889
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: three years left. Like, I got an extra year back. Like,

890
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: what's going on? And then he's like, you can transfer.

891
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:56,299
Speaker 2: And I told him, well, I don't want to transfer. Like,

892
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:58,739
Speaker 2: I picked this school. I just want to stay lower

893
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,460
Speaker 2: to this school. And then I said, like, what if

894
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,219
Speaker 2: I stay and fight? And he's like, you're not going

895
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity. I was like, in my head,

896
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I got three years left. Like, there's

897
00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:10,569
Speaker 2: no trust. Like, you didn't recruit me. Like, you don't

898
00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:14,069
Speaker 2: know me. Like, we haven't really sat down. You don't

899
00:43:14,090 --> 00:43:18,489
Speaker 2: know the true me. Like, yeah. But And then it

900
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: kind of, I remember I get back to home and

901
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:26,900
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, my bed just crying. And I'm just like,

902
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: why me? Just like looking over. Why me? Why? Again, disappointed.

903
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:36,730
Speaker 2: Just sick to my stomach. Like, why is this happening

904
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:39,790
Speaker 2: to me? Like, wish it happened to someone else. A

905
00:43:39,830 --> 00:43:40,530
Speaker 2: horrible mindset.

906
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:41,430
Speaker 1: No.

907
00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:44,830
Speaker 2: And then in the moment it should have been, why

908
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 2: not me? Why not me go through this? I need

909
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: to go through something like this to keep adding these

910
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: trials in my life. So then, which is crazy, is

911
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,300
Speaker 2: my roommate was on the phone with Aiden Vaughn about

912
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: a week and a half prior to this day happening.

913
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: And I heard that Liberty was in the market for

914
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,330
Speaker 2: Dean Lyman. Go Flames. They tried getting the guy who

915
00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:13,670
Speaker 2: transferred before me. That's right. And he went to somewhere else.

916
00:44:14,489 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: And he's doing great now. And... So as soon as

917
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: this happened, I talked to my parents. I told them

918
00:44:20,860 --> 00:44:24,460
Speaker 2: everything that happened. And I was like, I don't know

919
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: what to do. And obviously, it's like a scholarship at Wisconsin.

920
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:32,029
Speaker 2: Who's going to take a kid that's going to his

921
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:35,149
Speaker 2: third year or now going into his fourth year, actually? Right.

922
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:38,049
Speaker 2: Not third year. Right. Fourth year in ACL, hasn't played

923
00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:42,010
Speaker 2: a snap of football. Just had straight scout team reps.

924
00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:43,129
Speaker 1: That's insane to think about.

925
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:44,790
Speaker 2: Like, who's going to take this guy? Who's going to

926
00:44:44,810 --> 00:44:51,750
Speaker 2: take him? Nobody wants him. And it's like, call Aiden up.

927
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:54,750
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm going to go in the portal.

928
00:44:55,989 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: I told him everything because him and I went through

929
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:59,700
Speaker 2: the same thing. And he got here in January, told

930
00:44:59,739 --> 00:45:01,980
Speaker 2: me all about this place. And I was like, I'm

931
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,819
Speaker 2: going to do it. Do you guys still need one?

932
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: He's like, I think we still do. And he's like,

933
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,219
Speaker 2: let us know when you're in the portal. As soon

934
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: as I hit the portal, as soon as I'm eligible

935
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: to get recruited, Coach McGee calls me. And it's like,

936
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:19,460
Speaker 2: you need one person. in your life, at least one

937
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,420
Speaker 2: coach to believe in you. And it was, I knew

938
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: where I was going before I even entered the portal.

939
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: I was like, as soon as I talked to Aiden,

940
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,460
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not even going to really announce

941
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,419
Speaker 2: that I'm in the transfer portal. I'm going to the school.

942
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:38,500
Speaker 2: They're just coming off crazy season. You know, staff just

943
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:40,700
Speaker 2: got there. They're not going to leave. Like there's some

944
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: security there. I'm going to go there. This is, this

945
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. So then transferred into Liberty.

946
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:52,990
Speaker 2: And it's coming from a big, big school. It's big.

947
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:56,390
Speaker 2: It's a top party school. And then you come to

948
00:45:56,410 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: a private Christian school. A little different. Way different. Curfew

949
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,460
Speaker 2: and everything. And I remember the recruiting process. I was

950
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: somebody who had fun in college. I'm not sure I

951
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:10,190
Speaker 2: said I didn't. But, again, I wasn't someone who was

952
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: going out every weekend because I was so focused on.

953
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:16,430
Speaker 2: I'm not going out because we have a workout coming

954
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:18,730
Speaker 2: up or I'm going to make sure I put myself

955
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: and my body in the best position possible to take

956
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: advantage of the opportunity. So it's like coming to a

957
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: school like this wasn't an issue for me, but it

958
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: was what I needed. And then when I announced that

959
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:37,180
Speaker 2: I committed to here, this man comments, yourself, and I'm like,

960
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: this guy for a second. So we both follow each other.

961
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,220
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my gosh. This is a man that might–

962
00:46:44,610 --> 00:46:47,290
Speaker 2: that my stepdad sent me in 2022 while I was

963
00:46:47,330 --> 00:46:50,230
Speaker 2: going through recovery process while he was talking to Liberty football. Crazy.

964
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:56,010
Speaker 2: That works here. I get here and then I find

965
00:46:56,350 --> 00:46:59,310
Speaker 2: like new life. The re-spark was lit in my body.

966
00:46:59,469 --> 00:47:00,069
Speaker 1: Juvenation.

967
00:47:00,130 --> 00:47:02,830
Speaker 2: And I'm like, let's go. Huge weight lifted off my shoulder.

968
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:06,710
Speaker 2: I feel wanted, needed, feel a sense of purpose again.

969
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:08,950
Speaker 2: Probably fell back in love with the game. Oh my gosh.

970
00:47:08,989 --> 00:47:09,169
Speaker 1: Yeah.

971
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:10,650
Speaker 2: And that was the biggest thing for my junior year.

972
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:14,350
Speaker 2: I hated it. Right. I just lost. Right. And it's like, it's, it's,

973
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,969
Speaker 2: almost kind of disgusting in a sense because it's an

974
00:47:16,989 --> 00:47:19,420
Speaker 2: opportunity that I'm kind of just sitting there taking for

975
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: granted and playing victim every day. And it's like you

976
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,020
Speaker 2: have the choice to either be a fighter or victim today.

977
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: And I was playing victim more times than I was

978
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: playing fighter. It's true. And it is bad. It's true.

979
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: It's very bad. And get to Liberty, playing the first game, oh, man,

980
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 2: I'm fired up. Like, dream come true. I'm finally playing.

981
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: I'm building some steam, building some steam. Kennesaw State happens

982
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:51,969
Speaker 2: right before halftime. Play's going on. Boom. Me and teammate

983
00:47:52,489 --> 00:47:56,570
Speaker 2: get a sack. Feel my arm hyperextend. I'm like, it's

984
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:58,230
Speaker 2: happened before, but this one hurts a little bit more

985
00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:03,350
Speaker 2: than usual. Whatever. Again, I'm not coming out of this game.

986
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:07,290
Speaker 2: That was one thing with me. I'm not quitting. I'm

987
00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:10,529
Speaker 2: not coming out. And brace it up. Try to go

988
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:12,260
Speaker 2: to the third quarter. I'm just in effect. I'm playing

989
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: with one arm. They're like, all right, dude, you're done, dude.

990
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,930
Speaker 2: You're playing with your left hand. You need both. Like, no. So,

991
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:19,590
Speaker 2: little injury.

992
00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:20,050
Speaker 1: Whatever.

993
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:23,730
Speaker 2: We'll be fine. It's not the worst thing that's happened.

994
00:48:25,310 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: Jack State rolls around. How'd it go? Play five, six snaps. Boom.

995
00:48:31,739 --> 00:48:35,540
Speaker 2: Get dumped. Using one hand. Pulls me. Done. I'm like,

996
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,620
Speaker 2: come on. Why? Why?

997
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,380
Speaker 1: We have a little break.

998
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,740
Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee. It's a Monday morning. We're in inside. boom,

999
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:47,379
Speaker 2: felt my right knee pop. I said, there's no way.

1000
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: There's no way. Goodness gracious, man. I said, there's no way.

1001
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:56,109
Speaker 2: There's no way I did it again. So immediately I'm thinking, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

1002
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:59,330
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm done for the season. Went from UCL.

1003
00:48:59,830 --> 00:49:02,410
Speaker 2: I did the ACL again. It felt worse than the

1004
00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:09,940
Speaker 2: other time. Lord had me. Just a meniscus, thankfully. But still,

1005
00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:13,180
Speaker 2: It was, I had to finish the season in an

1006
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: arm brace and a knee brace, and I was pretty ineffective.

1007
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:19,450
Speaker 2: I went from playing a lot to getting a couple

1008
00:49:19,469 --> 00:49:22,219
Speaker 2: snaps here, being a rotational guy, just helping out here

1009
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,620
Speaker 2: and there. And every day you've got two torn ligaments.

1010
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:29,779
Speaker 2: You're playing defense lines. It's pretty hard to play any

1011
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: sport with two torn ligaments. And, again, it's like, why me?

1012
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: Why me? And then this is November is when probably

1013
00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:41,529
Speaker 2: the scariest thing to happen in our family. And it

1014
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:46,530
Speaker 2: was when our mom just kind of went nonverbal. Went nonverbal,

1015
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: lost her independence, and started to become frightened. And it

1016
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:52,819
Speaker 2: was out of the blue. I remember Sam Houston, final

1017
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: game of the year was when I really noticed it

1018
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:58,219
Speaker 2: because I sent her a text. Like, love you, taking off.

1019
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,859
Speaker 2: Reddit didn't answer. And we started to notice a little

1020
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: bit of things. And we're like, somebody who's always been

1021
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,690
Speaker 2: put herself behind everybody. Everyone else first. First one to answer.

1022
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:15,230
Speaker 2: You call her at any time of the night. You

1023
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:19,049
Speaker 2: text her. She's answering. No. We're like, all right, what's

1024
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:23,950
Speaker 2: going on? Call him. Call him the stepdad. He's not

1025
00:50:23,989 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: trying to scare us too, too much, but, like, he's

1026
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: letting us know. He's a very honest guy. He'll let

1027
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: us know what's going on. Can't talk to our mom.

1028
00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: She won't talk to us. My sister and I, like,

1029
00:50:34,780 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: my sister and I and, like, stepdad, we're just like,

1030
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: what happened to her? And it was like, did she

1031
00:50:41,890 --> 00:50:45,020
Speaker 2: get exposed to something? She was down in the hurricane

1032
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,860
Speaker 2: in 2024 when the hurricane hit down in South Florida.

1033
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,620
Speaker 2: I said, what is going on? So, four months of

1034
00:50:54,580 --> 00:50:57,819
Speaker 2: not having any answers, not getting any better. When I

1035
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,029
Speaker 2: saw her in December of 2024 after our final game

1036
00:51:01,050 --> 00:51:03,149
Speaker 2: of the season before our bowl game, I was like, Coach,

1037
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:05,930
Speaker 2: I got to go home. My mom's in the hospital.

1038
00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:09,710
Speaker 2: I want to see her. I got to Get to

1039
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:12,930
Speaker 2: the hospital, doesn't speak to me. She'll look at me. She'll, like,

1040
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:15,770
Speaker 2: give me a hug and everything, but just fight. It's like,

1041
00:51:15,790 --> 00:51:24,009
Speaker 2: I'm crushed inside. So sister comes up. We take her

1042
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:25,570
Speaker 2: to Christmas, try to get her. We're just trying to

1043
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:28,270
Speaker 2: get her in places that she loves, and there's no

1044
00:51:28,310 --> 00:51:30,850
Speaker 2: enjoyment at it for her. It's like, what is going

1045
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: on right now? Yeah, so confused. And we're just like, again,

1046
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:37,219
Speaker 2: we're heartbroken. You talk to her, and it's like, who

1047
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: is this person? And it's like, no, no. So then

1048
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: in that time period, I had to grow up really fast.

1049
00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: She's someone who is, you know, handled.

1050
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,069
Speaker 1: Who always took care of you. Now you have to

1051
00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:49,650
Speaker 1: take care of her.

1052
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:51,690
Speaker 2: Took care of me and, like, did a lot of

1053
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:54,810
Speaker 2: things that I'm very fortunate enough that she would step

1054
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:57,630
Speaker 2: up and do for me. And then I had to

1055
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:59,730
Speaker 2: learn the ropes pretty quickly with certain things that she

1056
00:51:59,770 --> 00:52:03,299
Speaker 2: would always just handle. It was like bills or something

1057
00:52:03,610 --> 00:52:07,049
Speaker 2: for myself. And it was like, okay, all right. So–

1058
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,460
Speaker 2: January comes around. This is when I kind of just reset,

1059
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,779
Speaker 2: like another reset. This reset actually truly meant something. This

1060
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:16,489
Speaker 2: one had some purpose behind it. I was like, all right.

1061
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:22,890
Speaker 2: The Lord has been presented to me prior. Didn't take

1062
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: anything of it. I'm at a Christian school. First year,

1063
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:33,460
Speaker 2: very intimidating. Don't know much. I don't want to say

1064
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:38,900
Speaker 2: something that's wrong. Scared of being judged. Embarrassment. And it's like,

1065
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,940
Speaker 2: so I'm just, again, sitting back. And I was like,

1066
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: I need to figure out who this guy is. Figure

1067
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,339
Speaker 2: out what's going on here. Why am I going through

1068
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,529
Speaker 2: all this stuff? Why is my family going, especially this

1069
00:52:52,570 --> 00:52:58,330
Speaker 2: time period right now? That's when I made the decision

1070
00:52:58,350 --> 00:53:01,029
Speaker 2: to give my life to Christ. And I was like,

1071
00:53:01,050 --> 00:53:04,469
Speaker 2: all right. And I remember saying this prayer all the time.

1072
00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: And it was, I'm going to trust you, Lord. but

1073
00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: you need to get my mom out of this. And

1074
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: it was like every day I remember sitting, like talking

1075
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 2: to my sister and my stepdad. And it was, again,

1076
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:21,109
Speaker 2: it got to the point where it just wasn't getting

1077
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,650
Speaker 2: any better. We knew like our stepdad like truly loved,

1078
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:27,910
Speaker 2: like we always knew he loved our mom. But it

1079
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:31,150
Speaker 2: was when he's holding it down back at home, working,

1080
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:35,860
Speaker 2: taking her to these appointments, helping my sister and I

1081
00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:39,110
Speaker 2: out with stuff that we need, helping his three kids out, like,

1082
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:46,190
Speaker 2: and coming home to his, his wife and doing everything

1083
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:48,060
Speaker 2: that he needs. Cause I mean, he works on the,

1084
00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:50,250
Speaker 2: it works like during the weeks and he's a trucker

1085
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:56,410
Speaker 2: and he's tired, he's exhausted and he didn't flinch. And

1086
00:53:56,450 --> 00:54:00,450
Speaker 2: it was in that time where it's like, man, like

1087
00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:06,940
Speaker 2: he was blessing, blessing that, My dad and stepmom step.

1088
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: What's going on? How can we help?

1089
00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: Almost like united people even more.

1090
00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:16,939
Speaker 2: Put everything inside. Put everything inside. Who cares? What's going

1091
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:20,630
Speaker 2: on here? How can we help? So then, and it was,

1092
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,750
Speaker 2: you could tell that he was hurting bad. And then

1093
00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:24,689
Speaker 2: there was a time where he texted me. It was like,

1094
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:27,190
Speaker 2: and this is when you, especially these night events, it's

1095
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:31,009
Speaker 2: like guys need community. They need the boys. That's right.

1096
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:32,750
Speaker 2: They need the boys. They need the boys. And he

1097
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:34,820
Speaker 2: texted me. He's like, going out with the boys tonight.

1098
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: We're just going to go to dinner, just hang out,

1099
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: just catch up. He's like, I need some guys. And

1100
00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: a lot of times, like, we knew it a little bit,

1101
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 2: but a lot of times the guys don't. They just shut.

1102
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:48,410
Speaker 2: They kind of, when they get married, they kind of

1103
00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:51,049
Speaker 2: just all wife and kids, all wife and kids. And

1104
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:53,350
Speaker 2: it's like, you need guys in your life. You need

1105
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:55,050
Speaker 2: your boys. You need somebody. You need a group of

1106
00:54:55,090 --> 00:54:56,330
Speaker 2: guys that you can go to for good things and

1107
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:59,070
Speaker 2: bad things. And then it was towards, I guess, February

1108
00:54:59,270 --> 00:55:02,290
Speaker 2: when we realized that it wasn't getting any better and

1109
00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:05,450
Speaker 2: it became a breaking point where We had to put

1110
00:55:05,469 --> 00:55:08,379
Speaker 2: her in a center, want a center. It was scary.

1111
00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:13,299
Speaker 2: Like when she's in the house, okay, not doing well.

1112
00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: And then you go from not communicating, can't even talk

1113
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:17,500
Speaker 2: to her. At least you can try and talk to

1114
00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:19,620
Speaker 2: her through the phone. She might not answer you. But

1115
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:25,780
Speaker 2: now it's okay. Who knows what's going on? So thankfully

1116
00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:29,850
Speaker 2: she got out of it. Lord answered those prayers. And

1117
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:33,460
Speaker 2: I was like, all right. Let's go. All right, we're

1118
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,540
Speaker 2: out of it. Now what? She's back. She's great now.

1119
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: She's back to her old self. Praise the Lord, man. Yeah. No,

1120
00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:41,219
Speaker 2: it was beautiful. It was definitely scary. But again, like

1121
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,049
Speaker 2: you gotta, it's like two Corinthians five through seven walk

1122
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:49,230
Speaker 2: by faith, not by sight. And it's a lot of

1123
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:53,610
Speaker 2: times you, like I walk through sight and it's, I

1124
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:56,069
Speaker 2: walk through what I wanted to see, but it was,

1125
00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:58,009
Speaker 2: there was no faith behind it. And then when it's

1126
00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: like you, you fully surrender yourself and know like, You

1127
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,700
Speaker 2: need a spiritual background. You need that backbone in your life.

1128
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:07,220
Speaker 2: There's a reason why he throws you in the fire,

1129
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,620
Speaker 2: throws people in the fire around you. The forge, the

1130
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,299
Speaker 2: forge in the fire. What do you guys stand for?

1131
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: What do you guys stand for?

1132
00:56:14,739 --> 00:56:17,660
Speaker 1: Exactly right. And I feel like that's where in your

1133
00:56:17,739 --> 00:56:19,940
Speaker 1: story when I hear it, and I know you've impacted

1134
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: it with me in the past, it's this idea that

1135
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:26,050
Speaker 1: I think you really went from demanding things from God

1136
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:30,270
Speaker 1: and shifted into depending on God. There's a big difference

1137
00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: in demanding and depending. right? You were demanding things originally

1138
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:35,700
Speaker 1: where it was like, God, I'll trust you if you

1139
00:56:35,739 --> 00:56:37,819
Speaker 1: do this, right? There was a little bit of like

1140
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: compromise there, only if, but then you went into that,

1141
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:44,219
Speaker 1: even if mindset of God, there's nothing I can do.

1142
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:48,430
Speaker 1: This is completely outside of my control. I'm surrendering my

1143
00:56:48,489 --> 00:56:50,910
Speaker 1: mom and her health and everything over to you. And

1144
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:53,750
Speaker 1: I'm just depending on you, expecting you to do great things.

1145
00:56:53,770 --> 00:56:56,290
Speaker 1: Because if we believe Ephesians 3.20, that he can do

1146
00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:58,670
Speaker 1: exceedingly above than we can ever ask, think, or imagine,

1147
00:56:58,690 --> 00:57:01,260
Speaker 1: then man, I'm going to expect God to answer my prayers.

1148
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: That's why we go to him. That's why we pray

1149
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:06,420
Speaker 1: to begin with. Pray with the posture of expectation. But

1150
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,940
Speaker 1: I'm not demanding anymore. I'm simply depending on you. And

1151
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: that's really what trust comes down to. And I hear

1152
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: all the different challenges you face, man, because your life,

1153
00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:16,740
Speaker 1: the last four or five years, haven't looked very easy

1154
00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:17,810
Speaker 1: for Mike Jarvis, right?

1155
00:57:17,850 --> 00:57:20,730
Speaker 2: And up until that time, again, I wasn't really punched

1156
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:22,470
Speaker 2: in the mouth. No. Up until college.

1157
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:24,690
Speaker 1: And then you got punched, punched, punched, punched, punched in

1158
00:57:24,750 --> 00:57:27,190
Speaker 1: a row. And I think what it revealed to you

1159
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:28,670
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't have to be fair to be

1160
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:30,890
Speaker 1: worth it. No. What I mean by that is like,

1161
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:32,230
Speaker 1: there are going to be moments that come in our

1162
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: life that just aren't fair, but it's in those moments

1163
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,460
Speaker 1: that God forges us and we look back and we're like, man,

1164
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:41,700
Speaker 1: it was worth it. I'd go through that stuff again

1165
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: if it meant coming out on the other side. One

1166
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,460
Speaker 1: thing that I just think of as well in your

1167
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,090
Speaker 1: story is that dreams don't quit.

1168
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:49,740
Speaker 2: People do.

1169
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:52,290
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you chose not to quit.

1170
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:52,650
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1171
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:55,170
Speaker 1: And I just am thinking about coming out of a

1172
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:57,250
Speaker 1: season where you hated the game.

1173
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:57,650
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1174
00:57:57,990 --> 00:58:01,860
Speaker 1: Like, What perspective did you have to have to say, no,

1175
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick with this and I'm going to

1176
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:07,250
Speaker 1: find the good in this? And again, oftentimes we say

1177
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:09,410
Speaker 1: that phrase, find the good in the bad. And there

1178
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:11,790
Speaker 1: are just some things, Mike, that aren't good. So you

1179
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: can't find any good, but good can come out of it.

1180
00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:16,620
Speaker 1: So for you, it's like, how were you able to

1181
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: create good? And what did God help you kind of

1182
00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:22,090
Speaker 1: reveal the perspective that he gave you in those times

1183
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:24,490
Speaker 1: to stick with it, to find yourself here, to now

1184
00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:27,690
Speaker 1: find yourself what I would identify as probably thriving or

1185
00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:30,670
Speaker 1: flourishing in your sixth year? By the way, you waited.

1186
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:33,110
Speaker 1: You never really stepped foot on a field into your

1187
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:33,990
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth year.

1188
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,830
Speaker 2: My fifth year is the first time I started. That's crazy.

1189
00:58:37,050 --> 00:58:39,790
Speaker 1: So like what's a word of encouragement to someone today

1190
00:58:39,830 --> 00:58:43,820
Speaker 1: who finds himself in a waiting, frustrating season? that maybe,

1191
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:46,820
Speaker 1: just maybe, you can find hope in the middle of

1192
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: the hard, but at the same time, having a perspective

1193
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: that gets them to continue to persevere. Yeah.

1194
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:54,500
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to, like, talk about quitting,

1195
00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:59,850
Speaker 2: walking away from the game. And it's, what message does, one,

1196
00:58:59,890 --> 00:59:03,030
Speaker 2: does that send to yourself? Two, who does it send

1197
00:59:03,050 --> 00:59:05,170
Speaker 2: to the people around you? And three, who does it

1198
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:08,310
Speaker 2: send to your future self? Because, like, the only time

1199
00:59:08,350 --> 00:59:12,260
Speaker 2: to grow is through adverse times. And you, like if,

1200
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: talk about the broken man. The broken man is the

1201
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:18,660
Speaker 2: strongest man. The one that's got thrown in the fire,

1202
00:59:19,550 --> 00:59:23,730
Speaker 2: back against the wall, whether he did self-inflicted things or

1203
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:27,410
Speaker 2: God just threw to him. Hard times at him. And it's,

1204
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: In that moment, he had dropped the ego, the pride,

1205
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,910
Speaker 2: humble himself, and say, one, I can't do it alone.

1206
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:40,870
Speaker 2: I need a Lord and Savior. I need someone who's

1207
00:59:40,890 --> 00:59:43,550
Speaker 2: always going to be in the corner. But two, like,

1208
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:46,890
Speaker 2: a lot of things that I, like, strive for in

1209
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:50,220
Speaker 2: my day-to-day is, yeah, it's for the moment, but a

1210
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: lot of it is for the future. And, like, future kids,

1211
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: if God blesses me with that family. And it's, what

1212
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,900
Speaker 2: am I going to tell my kids? That I quit.

1213
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:00,169
Speaker 2: I quit. Your dad quit when the time got hard.

1214
01:00:00,190 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: All right, so when he goes through something hard, and

1215
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: I quit, what am I supposed to tell him? Well,

1216
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: your dad quit. What are you going to tell your wife?

1217
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:17,370
Speaker 2: Hard time in a relationship or something. Oh, I'm out. Deuces. Like, no,

1218
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:20,380
Speaker 2: it's in those moments, and it's in James 1, 2,

1219
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:22,970
Speaker 2: 2 through 4. Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever

1220
01:00:22,990 --> 01:00:25,850
Speaker 2: you face trials of many kind, because you know that

1221
01:00:25,870 --> 01:00:29,710
Speaker 2: testing your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance Finish this work

1222
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:32,370
Speaker 2: so that you may be mature and lack nothing. And

1223
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:38,189
Speaker 2: it didn't take me until the final last six to

1224
01:00:38,290 --> 01:00:41,770
Speaker 2: ten months until I realized that everything I went through

1225
01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:46,550
Speaker 2: was for a purpose. And again, I thought that purpose

1226
01:00:46,610 --> 01:00:48,950
Speaker 2: I was going to figure out. I didn't realize there

1227
01:00:48,970 --> 01:00:51,180
Speaker 2: was going to be a calling behind it and something

1228
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,450
Speaker 2: that's going to drive me to what I want to

1229
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:55,380
Speaker 2: do when football is over. But I went through these

1230
01:00:55,460 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: times to, one, become the man I am today. And

1231
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,060
Speaker 2: it was, it's a, it's a, it was beautiful in

1232
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,340
Speaker 2: a sense. I look back and it's like, I wouldn't

1233
01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:11,970
Speaker 2: change anything that happened. Yeah. All those times that I

1234
01:01:12,010 --> 01:01:16,810
Speaker 2: felt embarrassed or mad at myself. And it was, no,

1235
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:20,230
Speaker 2: everyone's story is different. Not saying not two humans are alike.

1236
01:01:21,090 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: Everyone's different. And it's everyone's again, everyone's story is different.

1237
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:27,780
Speaker 2: Don't compare yourself to someone else. But it's, who do you, like,

1238
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: don't be a, don't quit. There's many times, and I'm

1239
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:36,810
Speaker 2: not saying, like, sometimes you need a plan B. Yeah.

1240
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:39,550
Speaker 2: Or sometimes you got to shift the plan. But that's

1241
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:42,950
Speaker 2: not quitting. Quitting would have been, all right, like, because

1242
01:01:42,970 --> 01:01:44,170
Speaker 2: there's some people where you have to walk away from

1243
01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: the game of football. Yep. Like, you have to. Medically,

1244
01:01:46,780 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: you have to. You have to. You have to. And

1245
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen many, many times. And that's not quitting. No, no, no, no, no.

1246
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,900
Speaker 2: I still had an opportunity to play football.

1247
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1248
01:01:57,010 --> 01:02:00,270
Speaker 2: And it wasn't the fact that, you know, going to

1249
01:02:00,290 --> 01:02:02,250
Speaker 2: a new school was quitting. No, no, no. It was,

1250
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:04,590
Speaker 2: all right, we're going to change the path here. And

1251
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:08,140
Speaker 2: it was, no, I'm going to get a relationship with

1252
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,540
Speaker 2: the man upstairs, and I'm going to trust on him

1253
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: and depend on him, and he's going to lead me

1254
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: to figure out, one, open up my eyes to what

1255
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:18,330
Speaker 2: this is all about, why this all happened, and two,

1256
01:02:18,340 --> 01:02:22,020
Speaker 2: I'm going to use it for my future. Right. And

1257
01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: how can you be a leader if you've quit? If

1258
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Speaker 2: you've quit.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right. That's the idea. I love what you said.

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Speaker 1: A broken man is the strongest man. And we're not

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Speaker 1: going to quit because I've heard it said that you

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,140
Speaker 1: really are going to persevere through hard times for your

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: eight year old self and your 80 year old self. Right.

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01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: For your eight year old self, it's who you grew

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01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: up imagining that you could become.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Like that eight year old that had all these dreams,

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Speaker 1: all these aspirations, like I'm going to push through for

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Speaker 1: that kid. Because oftentimes we find ourselves complaining about the

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01:02:51,010 --> 01:02:53,500
Speaker 1: things that we once prayed for, the opportunities that have

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01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,900
Speaker 1: been provided to you now to compete and play. Like

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01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,300
Speaker 1: there are going to be hard times coming through camp,

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01:02:58,340 --> 01:03:00,740
Speaker 1: going into all the different games this fall. You're going

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: to face adversity and you're still provided an opportunity to

1275
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: push through for that eight-year-old kid that once dreamt that

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: you could be where you're at today. But at the

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01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,660
Speaker 1: same time, you're pushing through for your 80-year-old self because

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01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:13,570
Speaker 1: you are investing in your future. As you said, your

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01:03:13,610 --> 01:03:16,900
Speaker 1: future family, your future marriage, whatever it is. You're investing

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Speaker 1: in the person that you want to become. And the

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01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:22,250
Speaker 1: greatest predictor of who you'll become tomorrow is who you

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01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:25,490
Speaker 1: choose to be today. And so every single day, I

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01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:28,910
Speaker 1: think it's being able to understand. You don't have to quit.

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01:03:28,930 --> 01:03:30,610
Speaker 1: But also, I want to go here for a moment.

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01:03:31,070 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it alone. I know something

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01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: that God has placed on your heart here recently is

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01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: this idea of helping men understand the importance and the

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Speaker 1: significance of vulnerability. Yeah. Mental health stats on men are

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Speaker 1: pretty insane. 25% of men walk around with a mental

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Speaker 1: illness on any given day. 75% of that 25% never

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01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:55,350
Speaker 1: ask or seek help. 1,440 men die by suicide every

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01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:59,670
Speaker 1: single day. Over 70% of suicides are completed by men,

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Speaker 1: obviously because of the lethality in which they choose to

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01:04:02,540 --> 01:04:05,100
Speaker 1: do it. And there's just so many things that when

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01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: we talk about the stigma around mental health, opening up,

1296
01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: asking for help, it's not a sign of weakness at

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Speaker 1: It's a sign of wisdom. And I know you had

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Speaker 1: a buddy named Jack who has passed away recently. I

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01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: know he struggled with mental health challenges. I mean, I

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: don't want you to go anywhere you don't feel comfortable going,

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01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:26,860
Speaker 1: but I would love to just hear how that opened

1302
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: your heart up, opened your eyes, opened your ears to

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01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:32,630
Speaker 1: the struggles that so many people face. And a lot

1304
01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:35,110
Speaker 1: of them, unfortunately, face them in silence. Go there if

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01:04:35,130 --> 01:04:35,410
Speaker 1: you would.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely. March 30th. um we're just finishing a

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01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:46,610
Speaker 2: workout 12 50 i get a call from uh buddy

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01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:53,030
Speaker 2: jake and it was uh on my locker so he

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01:04:53,170 --> 01:04:54,950
Speaker 2: coaches in michigan state why you call why is he

1310
01:04:54,970 --> 01:04:58,340
Speaker 2: calling me at 12 50 nothing out of it and

1311
01:04:58,380 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: all i hear is he's gone didn't wake up i'm

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01:05:02,980 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: saying who what he's like jack I said, hold on,

1313
01:05:10,570 --> 01:05:13,950
Speaker 2: hold on. What? He's like, yeah, Jack. Jack, I just

1314
01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:20,710
Speaker 2: talked to his brother, Trey. And I just, I had

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01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:26,550
Speaker 2: to sit down. And it was just like, there's no,

1316
01:05:26,890 --> 01:05:29,210
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. We were all talking last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is one of your best friends. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not just a former teammate. No, this is. This has

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01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:33,370
Speaker 1: become like a brother.

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Speaker 2: This is like, exactly. And it's like you talk about

1321
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:40,340
Speaker 2: like football brings brotherhood. Like that's a brother. And he

1322
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: is somebody who had to step away from the game

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01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,210
Speaker 2: due to mental health. And he was very vocal about it.

1324
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 2: He was very vocal about his struggles. There was many–

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01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:51,930
Speaker 2: there were some scary experiences that we experienced in our

1326
01:05:51,950 --> 01:06:00,210
Speaker 2: time together at Wisconsin. Again, it was me, Jack, Riley,

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01:06:00,250 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: and Jake. I mean, us four, we did a lot together.

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01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:09,700
Speaker 2: And it was– we always were the, like– We guys,

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01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:12,140
Speaker 2: I guess, were kind of front lines because his parents

1330
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: always weren't there. And it was guys that he trusted

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01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:18,530
Speaker 2: the most. And when he told me that, it was

1332
01:06:19,820 --> 01:06:22,470
Speaker 2: just this utter state of shock. I couldn't believe it

1333
01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:27,990
Speaker 2: because you guys had that Ignite event in Ohio. And

1334
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:33,070
Speaker 2: I remember I was talking to Brother Riley the week before,

1335
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:34,450
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm going to invite Jack to this.

1336
01:06:35,330 --> 01:06:39,650
Speaker 2: This is perfect for him. This is perfect. Someone... Everything

1337
01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:44,090
Speaker 2: that they're doing is, you know, helping broken guys, realize

1338
01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: that where they want to get strong relationships with the Lord,

1339
01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: help their marriage, whatever it is, knowing that there's, have

1340
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 2: no shame. And Joshua Broome said, shame has no power

1341
01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:03,290
Speaker 2: over you. And it was just sickening. So then I said, okay,

1342
01:07:04,410 --> 01:07:05,610
Speaker 2: he's in the middle of work on the middle of

1343
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:07,270
Speaker 2: the day. I'm like, we'll catch up. We got to

1344
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:09,270
Speaker 2: catch up when we get out of here. I'm trying

1345
01:07:09,290 --> 01:07:14,150
Speaker 2: to process this. I call his brother immediately, Trey. He's

1346
01:07:14,170 --> 01:07:18,990
Speaker 2: just crying. And I'm just bawling my eyes out. And

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01:07:19,030 --> 01:07:23,130
Speaker 2: it's like there's no way because Trey and Jack are

1348
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:26,450
Speaker 2: the same person. I see everything that I saw in

1349
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: Jack and Trey. And Jack was somebody who loved like

1350
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,610
Speaker 2: no other. He did not care what anyone thought about him.

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: He was just, it was a funny story about this

1352
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: man always had a pair of camo Crocs on. No

1353
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:47,220
Speaker 2: matter what the occasion was, he was wearing these camo Crocs.

1354
01:07:47,860 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: And definitely something that I guess over that time period,

1355
01:07:51,620 --> 01:07:53,540
Speaker 2: I guess talking to his parents, like there was a

1356
01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:56,620
Speaker 2: couple of things that he always dealt with, the depression,

1357
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,860
Speaker 2: the anxiety, and he was always trying to chase perfection.

1358
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: There was only one perfect man, this man upstairs. And

1359
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:09,370
Speaker 2: he just couldn't accept himself. So he was always chasing

1360
01:08:09,390 --> 01:08:13,590
Speaker 2: the next pill or something to fill the void. And

1361
01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:19,560
Speaker 2: one thing that definitely hurt the family and us was

1362
01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:23,940
Speaker 2: it wasn't intentional. And a lot of you immediately see,

1363
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: because everyone was public about his mental health struggles, everyone

1364
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: automatically assumed it was suicide. But it wasn't. It was

1365
01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:38,259
Speaker 2: his body just caught up to him. and he got sick,

1366
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: and his body just said, okay, we can't go anymore.

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Speaker 2: He was called upstairs. He'll be with the Lord, because

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Speaker 2: towards the end, he was like him and I. Coach

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01:08:50,330 --> 01:08:52,809
Speaker 2: Tripp was another one working on his life. Jake was

1370
01:08:52,850 --> 01:08:55,290
Speaker 2: another one trying to bring us to church and everything,

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Speaker 2: And it was something that you just couldn't believe it

1372
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,340
Speaker 2: because we were cracking jokes the week before. I'm going

1373
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,979
Speaker 2: to invite him to this event. But it's vulnerability is

1374
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:11,769
Speaker 2: everyone takes it as a weakness, and it's not. I

1375
01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:14,690
Speaker 2: think being vulnerable, and as I've gotten older, and it's

1376
01:09:14,729 --> 01:09:18,530
Speaker 2: almost like Not mad at myself, but I guess mad

1377
01:09:18,610 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: about how sometimes you're brought up. Or just like what's

1378
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,020
Speaker 2: taught in high school. Depression. You're not depressed. You don't

1379
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,300
Speaker 2: know depression. Depression's not real. You see online, it's all

1380
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: be a man. Figure it out. All you need is you.

1381
01:09:36,860 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: You've got everything for you. No, there's people out there,

1382
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:41,860
Speaker 2: especially when you're at the college, that are fighting some demons.

1383
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: And whether it's People are just throwing them pills, and

1384
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: it's not like I talked to his parents, and it's

1385
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: like it's the worst thing to do. Just throw people

1386
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: that are especially with the mental health industry, throwing pills.

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01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:57,939
Speaker 1: No.

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01:09:58,420 --> 01:10:01,340
Speaker 2: Get them a spiritual relationship with the Lord. Start with that.

1389
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,389
Speaker 2: Let's start with that. But then going back into the

1390
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:07,590
Speaker 2: vulnerability aspect, I think a vulnerable man is the one

1391
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:11,950
Speaker 2: that's strong, that's willing to open up. Let go of

1392
01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:18,580
Speaker 2: his ego. Drop the humility and just open up. Be raw.

1393
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: However you want to say your story, none of this proper, no,

1394
01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:25,900
Speaker 2: just get real and just open up. And that's the

1395
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,180
Speaker 2: number one way to connect with people too. And yeah, obviously,

1396
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: if you don't fully trust somebody, it's hard to get

1397
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:33,660
Speaker 2: vulnerable because you don't know if they're going to say

1398
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:39,090
Speaker 2: something or judge you. Who cares? If someone's judging you

1399
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:43,170
Speaker 2: for you have the courage to open up about what

1400
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: you are battling, that's on them. They had the issue. Like,

1401
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: if you're going to sit here and judge somebody for

1402
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: dropping his guard, seeking to get help, or wanting to

1403
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,780
Speaker 2: help others, making awareness about something that is an extremely,

1404
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,900
Speaker 2: an extremely important thing that needs to have more awareness. And, like,

1405
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: you just had Edwin Martin on. Yeah. Great calls. His

1406
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,480
Speaker 2: story's beautiful. His story's beautiful. The war is won and

1407
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: lost in the mind, he said. And there needs to

1408
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,009
Speaker 2: be more awareness towards the mental health, and especially in athletes.

1409
01:11:16,420 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: Because again, you're so attached to the sport, the identity.

1410
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:22,780
Speaker 2: Like I was talking to his dad, when he was young,

1411
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:25,830
Speaker 2: he was getting recruited for basketball and football, being all

1412
01:11:25,870 --> 01:11:29,590
Speaker 2: this talent. And it was, the worst thing to tell

1413
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:32,990
Speaker 2: someone when they're young is you're talented. Like, okay, then

1414
01:11:33,010 --> 01:11:34,530
Speaker 2: they automatically think, all right, when you get punched in

1415
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:37,450
Speaker 2: the mouth, what happens? Or what happens when the sport

1416
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:39,930
Speaker 2: doesn't go the way it's supposed to go or you

1417
01:11:39,970 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: planned it to go? And it's, then what? But no,

1418
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:47,070
Speaker 2: you want to be able to We need to be

1419
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:51,140
Speaker 2: able to accept people's vulnerability and understand that's a true

1420
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: show of strength, not weakness. Yeah.

1421
01:11:53,979 --> 01:11:57,100
Speaker 1: I think that's the idea where maybe people don't need

1422
01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:59,740
Speaker 1: to hear you're talented as much as they need to

1423
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:00,480
Speaker 1: hear you're loved.

1424
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: You're loved. The things that you do, your effort, your attitude,

1425
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: those are things you need to hit on. Right.

1426
01:12:06,340 --> 01:12:10,130
Speaker 1: Because when talent gets removed, there's an injury. When there's

1427
01:12:10,170 --> 01:12:12,690
Speaker 1: a change in assignment, whatever it is, then the mission

1428
01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:13,070
Speaker 1: never ends.

1429
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,100
Speaker 2: Changes, right?

1430
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: You can always feel loved, especially if you're surrounded by

1431
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,140
Speaker 1: people who make you feel that way. I mean, I

1432
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,220
Speaker 1: just am. I know my heart went out to you

1433
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,019
Speaker 1: during that time. Grief is a funny thing. It's a

1434
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:28,190
Speaker 1: messy process. It doesn't really go away. It never will.

1435
01:12:28,689 --> 01:12:31,490
Speaker 1: It never will. Because those who love deeply grieve or

1436
01:12:31,530 --> 01:12:35,450
Speaker 1: mourn deeply. And so you'll always remember Jack. You'll always

1437
01:12:35,490 --> 01:12:39,700
Speaker 1: remember those stories, those memories, that brotherhood. And my prayer,

1438
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: as we've chatted about, is that you would just continue

1439
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: to live a life that honors the legacy that he

1440
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:48,500
Speaker 1: left inside of you to continue to carry out. And

1441
01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: as you do that, man, I'm just thinking about, there's

1442
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:54,620
Speaker 1: a C.S. Lewis quote that I wrote down. It said,

1443
01:12:54,660 --> 01:12:57,700
Speaker 1: God whispers to us in our pleasures. He speaks in

1444
01:12:57,740 --> 01:13:01,330
Speaker 1: our conscience, but he shouts in our pain. And in

1445
01:13:01,370 --> 01:13:03,630
Speaker 1: the midst of all of the pain that you've experienced

1446
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:06,700
Speaker 1: throughout your life, I am interested and I hear, I

1447
01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: can hear the depth that your faith is continuing to

1448
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: deepen day by day as you spend more time in

1449
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,890
Speaker 1: his word, as you spend more time in prayer, as

1450
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:18,089
Speaker 1: you spend more time in his presence, as you spend

1451
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:20,910
Speaker 1: more time around his people, right? You are deepening and

1452
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:24,450
Speaker 1: strengthening your faith. But I'm interested, what has God revealed

1453
01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:28,230
Speaker 1: to you about himself in the midst of this painful experience?

1454
01:13:28,650 --> 01:13:35,849
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's staying faithful to him. And And I think

1455
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:39,230
Speaker 2: that's probably one of the, it's a challenge. It's a challenge.

1456
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:43,250
Speaker 2: And especially, again, I'm not going to sit here and

1457
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:45,370
Speaker 2: say I know X, Y, and Z about the Bible.

1458
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:48,410
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and do that. I don't.

1459
01:13:48,570 --> 01:13:53,349
Speaker 2: I'm not there. I'm working towards that. But it's, there's

1460
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:56,350
Speaker 2: a purpose behind everything that he throws into you in

1461
01:13:56,390 --> 01:14:00,650
Speaker 2: your life. And it's, again, walk by faith, not by sight.

1462
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,260
Speaker 2: Trust in his plan that There's a reason for this.

1463
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:11,460
Speaker 2: There's a reason for this time of struggle. Time of good, too.

1464
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:16,970
Speaker 2: But it's, again, that's the only time to grow is

1465
01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:19,590
Speaker 2: through the adversity. Through when you're basking against the wall

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01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:23,929
Speaker 2: and you've got to fight. And don't roll over. Don't

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01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:27,790
Speaker 2: roll over. Don't be a quitter. It comes down to

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01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:30,110
Speaker 2: a choice in life. There's always going to be two

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01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:33,350
Speaker 2: choices when you're in that hole. When he throws something

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01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:35,460
Speaker 2: at you, And he's like, all right, time to go

1471
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: to work, big dog. But sometimes people will roll over

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01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: and quit. So then you're going to allow yourself to

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01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: just call it a day? Your life's over? Or are

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,979
Speaker 2: you going to fight? And you've got to be known

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01:14:47,020 --> 01:14:51,210
Speaker 2: as a fighter. All his warriors were fighters. Like, no

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01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:54,490
Speaker 2: matter what he threw at them, you've got to fight.

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01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:57,710
Speaker 2: And each day is a gift. And I think that's

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01:14:57,729 --> 01:15:03,710
Speaker 2: the hardest thing that people misunderstand. It's, no. You and

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01:15:03,790 --> 01:15:07,440
Speaker 2: I aren't guaranteed to walk out of here. Be where

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01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: your feet are and cherish each moment that you have

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01:15:10,380 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: with people. Cherish the moments. Cherish the little things. Cherish

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01:15:15,380 --> 01:15:19,929
Speaker 2: waking up. Cherish going home and having a meal. Like

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01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,290
Speaker 2: everybody's like, oh, they forget about it because it becomes

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01:15:23,470 --> 01:15:25,670
Speaker 2: so second nature.

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01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:26,490
Speaker 1: No.

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01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:31,850
Speaker 2: You're not promised or guaranteed anything in life. It's why

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01:15:31,870 --> 01:15:34,950
Speaker 2: you got to have perspective. If you don't have true

1488
01:15:35,010 --> 01:15:41,750
Speaker 2: perspective in life, it's like, and you take advantage of,

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,540
Speaker 2: especially with college athletics or sports in general, it's so

1490
01:15:45,660 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 2: sad when you see people take advantage of the opportunity

1491
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 2: and just you see wasted potential. Wasted potential is the

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01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 2: saddest thing ever. Guys that have been given these God-given

1493
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:03,850
Speaker 2: abilities to play a game. I've seen some of those guys.

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01:16:04,850 --> 01:16:09,589
Speaker 2: Greek athletes, they've been blessed with crazy genetics, but upstairs

1495
01:16:09,630 --> 01:16:12,750
Speaker 2: they lost it. They can never hone it in upstairs

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01:16:13,150 --> 01:16:17,930
Speaker 2: between their ears. And that's when that waste of potential

1497
01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: came to fruition. And that's, I think, perspective and just

1498
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:29,460
Speaker 2: don't take things for granted. Perspective, perseverance, and I think purpose, man.

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01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: Purpose is huge. It's passion.

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01:16:32,020 --> 01:16:34,019
Speaker 1: That's what you talked about this entire time. Passion.

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01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:34,180
Speaker 2: Passion.

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01:16:34,770 --> 01:16:38,890
Speaker 1: Is the willingness to suffer for something that you genuinely love.

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01:16:39,090 --> 01:16:42,050
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is what God obviously did

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01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:44,860
Speaker 1: for us. And that is then what God calls us to.

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01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,750
Speaker 1: My friend, I appreciate. vulnerability that you continue to share

1506
01:16:49,810 --> 01:16:53,290
Speaker 1: with just you opening up today having this conversation i

1507
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:55,879
Speaker 1: think it's incredibly important i think a lot of your

1508
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:58,780
Speaker 1: teammates are probably going to be blessed by hearing more

1509
01:16:58,820 --> 01:17:01,520
Speaker 1: of your story by hearing the man behind the helmet

1510
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:04,860
Speaker 1: the man behind the face mask but then also knowing

1511
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,010
Speaker 1: that you're somebody again worth leading as you follow jesus

1512
01:17:09,660 --> 01:17:12,590
Speaker 1: every single day last question is we kind of wrap

1513
01:17:12,710 --> 01:17:15,450
Speaker 1: up is obviously again follow up the way that i

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01:17:15,490 --> 01:17:17,230
Speaker 1: started Big game on Saturday.

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01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:17,650
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:17:17,729 --> 01:17:19,429
Speaker 1: What can we expect from the flame train?

1517
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:21,370
Speaker 2: The boys are coming out hot.

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01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:22,010
Speaker 1: Oh.

1519
01:17:22,670 --> 01:17:23,790
Speaker 2: The boys are coming out hot.

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01:17:25,050 --> 01:17:27,130
Speaker 1: I love it, man. And where can our audience go, Mike,

1521
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:28,230
Speaker 1: to find out more about you?

1522
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:31,059
Speaker 2: And shout out the cooking channel, by the way. Yeah,

1523
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 2: we got Cooking with Jersey Mike's, the cooking channel. And

1524
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 2: then obviously my personal just Mike Jarvis. But obviously before

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,979
Speaker 2: we go, I want to leave the audience with one thing. Please.

1526
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,780
Speaker 2: And it is the greatest risk in life is not

1527
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,520
Speaker 2: taking any risk. And it's finding true purpose in what

1528
01:17:46,540 --> 01:17:48,500
Speaker 2: you're truly called, what the Lord has called you to do.

1529
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,690
Speaker 2: Take risks. He wants people that's going to take more risk. Fail.

1530
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:56,990
Speaker 2: Fail fast. It's not true failure if you can learn

1531
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:58,350
Speaker 2: from it. If you don't learn from it, then it

1532
01:17:58,430 --> 01:18:00,990
Speaker 2: is failure. But the greatest risk in life is not

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01:18:01,010 --> 01:18:01,870
Speaker 2: taking any risk at all.

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01:18:02,189 --> 01:18:05,010
Speaker 1: Come on, man. All of our audience here, we're just

1535
01:18:05,050 --> 01:18:07,410
Speaker 1: grateful that you tuned in. Again, I hope and pray

1536
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:09,440
Speaker 1: that you would have heard a lot of the themes

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,839
Speaker 1: that we covered on today. Being a person of passion,

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01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,380
Speaker 1: being somebody who is rooted and anchored in a greater purpose,

1539
01:18:14,420 --> 01:18:17,179
Speaker 1: bigger than yourself, being someone who perseveres through the fire,

1540
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,250
Speaker 1: but then realizing that, again, the greatest risk is potentially

1541
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:24,510
Speaker 1: not taking any risks at all. Every single day, push

1542
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:27,130
Speaker 1: yourself to become the best version of yourself. And my

1543
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:29,620
Speaker 1: prayer that that would be a version that looks more

1544
01:18:29,660 --> 01:18:33,020
Speaker 1: like Christ from the inside out. Mike, my friend, thank

1545
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,660
Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Thank you for sharing

1546
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,220
Speaker 1: your testimony. You know, I love you. I appreciate you.

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01:18:37,580 --> 01:18:38,019
Speaker 1: Go Flames.

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01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 2: Go Flames.