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Speaker 1: Life audio. You know, food is the good girl's alcohol.

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Speaker 1: Because I felt like I don't drink, I don't smoke,

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, and welcome to the Confessions of a Christian

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Speaker 2: Alcoholic podcast. I am your host, John Seidel. This is

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Speaker 2: your home for real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks.

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Speaker 2: In the end, this podcast is a place for the desperate,

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Speaker 2: the downtrodden, destitute, and especially the drunk. But it's also

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Speaker 2: a place of hope and healing. I know that firsthand

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Speaker 2: because I'm the Christian who became an alcoholic, not the

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Speaker 2: other way around. Today I've found sobriety after decades of struggling.

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Speaker 2: But more importantly than finding sobriety, I found Jesus. My

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Speaker 2: prayer is that as I interview people just like you

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Speaker 2: and just like me, along with professionals in the fields

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Speaker 2: of trauma, faith and addiction recovery, you will find the

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Speaker 2: peace that is available to you through Christ on the

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Speaker 2: other side of whatever you're going through and whatever addiction

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Speaker 2: that might be, because let's face it, we're all addicted

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Speaker 2: to something so welcome. Let's get radically vulnerable as we

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Speaker 2: there's an addiction that kills, according to some statistics, upwards

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Speaker 2: admit some stuff to Christy, our guest today on this

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Speaker 2: Christy McCammon is our guest today. She runs a I

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Speaker 2: guess you could almost call it a ministry called Life Unbinged,

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Speaker 2: And listen, We're not gonna get weird about like listen,

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Speaker 2: And what I think Christy is going to show us

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Speaker 1: And by day four and day five, I woke up

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Speaker 1: on day five of that and I said, Lord, I

430
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Speaker 1: am so sorry. I thought I had it, And now

431
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: you're showing me that boundaries are great. But if you

432
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: are not in the high place, I'm still up a creek.

433
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: And I have just swapped that addiction. So that was

434
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Speaker 1: the moment, and I have never looked back. It has

435
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: not been a perfect journey. I still have temptations. I still,

436
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: you know, struggle at times, and but it is so

437
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: freeing to know that I don't have to carry this

438
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: burden by myself. And I can you know, I love.

439
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Speaker 1: I have images I've created of a three legged race

440
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: with Jesus. Then I want to get in the morning,

441
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, tie my legs to his and say, okay, God,

442
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull my way, but you got to

443
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: pull me back. And I want you as the head

444
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: and lead of my decisions in my life. And so

445
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: at that point is when it was very serious for

446
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: me that that that is it Jesus in the High

447
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Place and boundaries very very close because those matter and

448
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: those will keep me safe. But I don't want to

449
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: ever get those out of order again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you have said a couple times this phrase

451
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Speaker 2: putting Jesus in the High Place. What did that look

452
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Speaker 2: like for you? What did that? How did you do that? Right?

453
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Speaker 2: It's I think it's actually one of the most common

454
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Speaker 2: and it's one of the hardest questions I get because

455
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: I think for so many uh, it can lack practicality.

456
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: I talk about abiding in Christ and whatnot. What did

457
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: that look like for you to do?

458
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm taking notes too. I love pen and paper.

459
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: That's how I do everything. You know, it's it is.

460
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: That is the one question that I got asked the most,

461
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: which really helped me to dial it in because I

462
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: just think about it and it makes sense. But when

463
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: it comes down to.

464
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: What do you do?

465
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Speaker 1: How do you how do you do that? Do you

466
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: take something and put something? And what does it look like?

467
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: So it's really a physical picture of tearing down the

468
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Speaker 1: idols and saying, you know what, we're not doing what

469
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: we've been doing we are no longer going to moderate.

470
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. We are going to

471
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Speaker 1: choose abstinence because moderation keeps me flirting with food all

472
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: day long, all week, all the time. So that's where

473
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: the abstinence peace comes in. And that boundary of clear

474
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: cut lines that say I'm not going to cross this.

475
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: It's a line in the sand. Okay, that doesn't mean

476
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: it's been a perfect journey, but it means that's where

477
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: the line in the sand, and if I cross it wilfully,

478
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: I need to get back to where I need to be.

479
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I've written in my

480
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Speaker 1: book and my courses is the ten tools of surrender.

481
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Speaker 1: And I would love to say surrenders on one un done.

482
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: I've surrendered, Yay, Okay, it is not. We have to

483
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: surrender every day like we've never done it before. And

484
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: so I list these ten tools of surrender, which puts

485
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Speaker 1: Jesus in the high place, and that is, you know,

486
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: renewing our mind daily time in his word, worship, the

487
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: practice of humility, staying connected, iron, sharpening iron. I'm the

488
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: posture of surrender. That's one of my favorites. It's a

489
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: very tangible thing. And I'll just show you what I

490
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: do so often if I'm craving something or I'm finding myself, Oh,

491
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I've got to fix this and do this and go here,

492
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: and all the things that create the anxiety which lead

493
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: to the temptation of a chocolate shake to bring me down,

494
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: I have to stop getting to that place. And so

495
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: when I'm fighting and white knuckling, it's really this posture

496
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: of kind of holding our hands tight and I have

497
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Speaker 1: my hands and fists just like I've got it. I've

498
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: got to do all this, and I literally open my

499
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: hands physically right in front of me on my lap.

500
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: Nobody has to see it. It's not a big Okay,

501
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing this, everybody. I'm calming myself down. But it's

502
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: a very tangible thing that I can do that says Lord,

503
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: I am yours film me, and that puts me at

504
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: a very surrendered place of Okay, I was holding too tightly,

505
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: and I will open my hands so literally just opening

506
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: our hands face up, palms up on our lap, sitting

507
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: at a meal sit anywhere nobody even knows, but I

508
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: know and God knows, and it puts me at a

509
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: very beautiful posture to keep him where he belongs rather

510
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: than pulling in all this anxiety or thoughts or food

511
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: thoughts or you know, all the things. So it's that

512
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: posture of surrender. So there's you know, I go over

513
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: ten tools. I've listed several, but posture is a very physical,

514
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: tangible thing that right there anywhere anyone can do and

515
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: it's your hands. Nothing can stop you. It's just you

516
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: and your hand.

517
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Speaker 2: That is Yeah, that's so good. And actually my mind

518
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: is like going a million places in a good way

519
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: because I'm like, man, I need to have you come

520
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: talk to my Sunday night group. I need it, Like

521
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: this is this is all so good. I want to

522
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: go back to something you you said and if you

523
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: read the description your book on Amazon, which please go

524
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: go read Christie's book and we'll have a link to

525
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: it in the show notes, so you can talk about

526
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: it coming up here in a second. But you talk

527
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: about getting to the root, right, and so I talk

528
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: a lot about that right get you know, there's a

529
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 2: phrase that my wife came up. Maybe I should trademark

530
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: you talk about trademarking your phrase, but but getting to

531
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: the root, to get to the rot right, and and

532
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: rot versus fruit. You know a lot of people talk

533
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: about but what was the and maybe you've talked around

534
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: it a little bit or whatnot, but what was the

535
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 2: root for you of what that food was? Sugar was like?

536
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: What was the root? Like? What were you trying to do?

537
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Uh? You know? For me, so I work with thousands

538
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: of women. Some talk about in their childhood, and it's

539
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: most common some talk about during a really hard part

540
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: in their life, maybe a divorce or some bad thing

541
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: that happened to them or some trauma. Either way, when

542
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: it starts growing is when we realize that food helps

543
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: calm us down, food helps numb us. Same thing as

544
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: when I talk to an alcoholic. That's I think typically

545
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: where it starts is, I need something to come down

546
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: off this day. I need something to just quiet meg

547
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: my anxiety. I need something to numb these thoughts that

548
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm feeling of, you know, shame or whatever the thoughts are.

549
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: It numbs them because then we're fully focused on something else, right,

550
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: and it's not God, it's not anything that's going to

551
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: benefit us. It's something that actually will grow the roots

552
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: and become addiction. And so for me, it was you know,

553
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: just uh, it was when I was safe that just

554
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: meant I was safe. And then of course all through

555
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: my child or my young adulthood and when I got

556
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: married and had kids, it was when I was alone

557
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: that was my big thing. And it's still to this day,

558
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: seven years after making this decision. I still the moment

559
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: i'm alone in my home or my car, it is okay, okay,

560
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna know. Go get the thing, and I the

561
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: thought is there, it's a default. There's nothing I can

562
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: do about that thought. I can do all everything about

563
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: what I do after that thought. The thought is just

564
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: a thought. I have to fight that away. And Okay, great,

565
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: you're alone, Well how about getting the word? How about

566
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: sing real loud and worship, get on your knees. You

567
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: don't do that when everybody's around, you know. And so

568
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: the route for me was just this, I'm alone and

569
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm safe. So I had to figure out, well, i'm

570
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: alone and I'm safe already. I don't need that. To

571
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: do that, that's going to make me actually unsafe because

572
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: then I have no control. And we're only in control

573
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: of that first fight. Once we have that bite or

574
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: that drink. I think that that bite or that drink

575
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: is in control of the rest yes.

576
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: So the only drink I can say no to is

577
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: the first one that only bike on. The only bite

578
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: you say no too is.

579
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: The first one completely. And I know I got this

580
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: that you know in the alcohol world, fight wait, think

581
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: through the drink, right, And so I came up with

582
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: fight through the bite, one bite, fight it, move on,

583
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: because once I fight it, I've done. But realizing those

584
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: roots where they came from, and for me, it was that.

585
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: And so when I talked with other women in my groups,

586
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: we have a whole it's kind of this worksheet. It's

587
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: called Grace upon Grace. Okay, so we're going to make

588
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: a mistake. So when I'm working with someone and they say, man,

589
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: I was in my car and I saw this drive

590
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: through and I just got it. I just ordered it,

591
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: ate it all. And then I realized I probably should

592
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: have reached out to you first, or I should have

593
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: done something. So then I walked them through, well what

594
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: were you thinking, what happened right before it, where were

595
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: you heading afterward? And we can literally pinpoint the feeling

596
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: that was going on. It was either fear. Often it's

597
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: fear or intrusive thoughts, you know, or worry, anxiety, or

598
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: loneliness is a big one. I'm feeling lonely, you know,

599
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm not getting this attention from anyone. And the fact

600
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: of the matter is food, sweets, alcohol. They love us.

601
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: They love us and give us great attention. No arguing,

602
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: no nothing, no judgment, just oh, just come right. And

603
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: so walking through where is this root? And it usually

604
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: stems from one of those things trying to numb, you know,

605
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: anxious fear, that kind of stuff. And once we can

606
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: see that, like actually walk through and see, wow, this happened,

607
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: and now I see why. Then when the why starts happening,

608
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: that same feeling which will happen, right, We're still going

609
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: to have anxious thoughts or worries, but we can see, well,

610
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: last time I did this, that made it worse. So

611
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: this time I'm going to do something else. So and

612
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: I love to say that, you know, addiction is progressive.

613
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: So we start eating a little more and more and

614
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: more and more, drinking more and more and more, or

615
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: heavier things or bigger things or more flavorful things. But

616
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: guess what else is progressive is the recovery. The more

617
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: we say no, we can back our way out. We

618
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: can we can be like reeling up that root, so

619
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: it's not quite as deep.

620
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all this stuff so good, so relevant, so relatable.

621
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's just you know, I say, you can

622
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: you can take my book and you can say Confessions

623
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: of a Christian Alcoholic, right, and just take alcoholic out right,

624
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: because every you can food to halic, sugar holic. Right.

625
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: Is that Everything that you're saying is just it's it

626
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: really is. And so I hope what people are hearing.

627
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some people who started this episode and

628
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, sugar addiction. You know, as I'm sitting

629
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: here with cocaine, You're you're gonna tell me, You're gonna

630
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: tell me that Christie was doing, you know, And it's like, yes, yes,

631
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: because the root is the same, right, agree. And just

632
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: because you know the effects of heroin are more pronounced

633
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: than the effects of sugar, does not mean they're not

634
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: there and doesn't mean they don't trace back to the

635
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: same heart and root issues. And even as you're talking

636
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: like I'm being convicted, right, like, I'm thinking about my

637
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: own childhood, right, And my mom tells this story of

638
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 2: how when my parents got divorced and my dad left

639
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and had an affair

640
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: and it was all this stuff, like we lost like everything,

641
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: we had to sell the house we had, like and

642
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: so my mom says, you know, this was before school lunch,

643
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: is right, We're kind of like a thing, right, And

644
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: she's like, I literally had to send the kids to

645
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: school with a bag of popcorn as their entire lunch.

646
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: And so I grew up in that environment. And so

647
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: I have realized not just in this conversation, but I've

648
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: been thinking through this even in preparation for this, like

649
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: when I have a tendency to overeat and to fight

650
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: and comforting for you, because it was something that was

651
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: so scarce growing up. Sure, yeah, right, and and all

652
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: my friends had the gushers and the cool you know,

653
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: school lunches, and I have popcorn, right and so and

654
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: so food. Like I'll even admit this. I've never I've

655
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: never talked about this publicly, but my wife is always like, like,

656
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: I love going to the grocery store, and sometimes I

657
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: will find myself just going to the grocery store when

658
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm stressed or whatnot, and I won't necessarily, like, you know,

659
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: buy three hundred dollars worth of groceries or you know,

660
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: a tub of ice cream. Yeah, but what I have

661
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: realized is I go to the grocery store because it's comfort.

662
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I know, I know I could buy

663
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: this stuff, and I'll buy some stuff, right, but I

664
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about not having it. Like all

665
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: of this is at my fingertips and I just want

666
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: to take it in like and and so I'm being

667
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: convicted about like I think there's some deeper work that

668
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: I have to do with my therapist around some of

669
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: this stuff. Right, And I think it's true because trauma

670
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: and and those things that you're talking about, they do influence.

671
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: Now I'm curious in your own work and in your

672
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: work with women. Then how do you counsel people in

673
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: this area that hey, yes, you know, uh, there was

674
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: some traumatic stuff that happened to you and you turn

675
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: to food. And how do we not you know, how

676
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: do we use those explanations but not excuses?

677
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, that is a really tricky part because I

678
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: am not a therapist. However, a lot of people want

679
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: me to act as that. And so when I'm coaching somebody,

680
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: I what I do first is I pray, Okay, Lord,

681
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: how can I help this person? And what do you

682
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: want me to say? And I keep everything scriptural based

683
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: right and just like you said, gospeled centered recovery. I'm

684
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: not going to start talking from a different space that

685
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with. I can see what God says

686
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: and I can see what happened. And I think one

687
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: of the firsts things is showing the huge level of

688
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: compassion to say I am so sorry that that trauma

689
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: happened to you, and that you were abused in that

690
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: way that was wrong, and that you were a child

691
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: or an adult whatever, I am sorry, And that automatically

692
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: lowers It just brings some validation, some truth, some comfort

693
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: for someone to realize, Okay, somebody is with me here,

694
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and so I say, I'm right with you. Yeah. I'm

695
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: probably not going to be able to walk through the

696
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: specifics of how to work through that exact thing, because

697
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: you're always going to feel afraid when X, Y, and

698
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: Z happens, and that probably won't ever go away in

699
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: your life. But I can guarante you that when you

700
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: have those thoughts, guess who's right there. And if you

701
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: have accepted Jesus in your heart and you have the

702
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, you are comforted. And so I walk through

703
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: what the Bible says, regardless of the trauma, regardless of

704
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: what has happened. And that's for me, the same thing.

705
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: A lot of the trauma I went through. You know,

706
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: I didn't really understand. No one ever talked to me

707
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: about it. But later I knew Jesus was right there

708
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: with me. And I remember accepting him when I was

709
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: four or five years old, sitting in my Sunday school

710
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: class seeing a picture on the wall of you know,

711
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: radiant Jesus right and some artists' rendition. I now know

712
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: that the Holy Spirit was convicting my heart even at

713
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: that early age. And I said, and I told my teacher,

714
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I have some really bad stuff that happens at home,

715
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: and I need to take him home with me. And

716
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: ever since then it was more of he didn't make

717
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: them do this. The trauma is totally unrelated to Jesus

718
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: saying let's let this bad things happen to Christy or

719
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: whoever you are. No, no, no, no. We live in a

720
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: horrible fallen world and bad things are going to happen,

721
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: and we can have hope, we can have strength, we

722
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: can have his full comfort through those things, but just

723
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: apologizing for them having to have gone through that and

724
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: then speaking truth over their life that even in that

725
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: this is where you're at now, this is where he was, now,

726
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: this is where you can go, and we have to

727
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: stop at some point looking backwards. Yes, we need to,

728
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: and counseling is great. I think going to a Christian

729
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: therapist is awesome, and anything someone needs to work through great,

730
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: But at some point we need to keep our eyes

731
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: fixed on what is ahead and that is so far

732
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: greater than what's behind us. But we do need to

733
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: know why we are the way we are, what caused

734
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: us to struggle in a certain area of our life,

735
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: and how we're going to pull ourselves out of it,

736
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: how we're going to let the Lord pull us out

737
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: of it.

738
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So someone's listening to this and they're saying, man, Christy,

739
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: I've been so convicted. I think I'm treating food just

740
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: like John treated alcohol or and maybe hey, maybe maybe

741
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: they even have gotten over quote unquote over or through

742
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: their alcohol addiction. And now they're like, but no, now

743
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: either I've swapped it or I've had this other this

744
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: other thing to food. You have said, you know, you've

745
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: talked a couple of times about quitting processed sugar and flour.

746
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: So my question to you is what does it look

747
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: like to take the approach to food that you did.

748
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: Does that mean and maybe the answer is yes, Is

749
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: it like, Hey, I can never have another tortilla in

750
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: my life, never have another chocolate bar in my life.

751
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: Like what does this practically look like? We'll be right

752
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: back after this.

753
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: So here's the question I would ask of you is

754
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: can you have one go to the ice cream shop,

755
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: have one scoop of ice cream and then that's it?

756
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: You don't want anyone or you don't ever think about

757
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: it again until maybe another week went by, Then that's

758
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: not a problem for you. If you have a tortilla

759
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you have one little taco or you know,

760
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: two and whatever, a normal size serving or traditional size serving,

761
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: and you're done, and then you're out of the kitchen

762
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: and you don't think about it till the next meal,

763
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: then that's probably not a problem for you. But if

764
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: you have chocolate or sweets, or the white sugar or

765
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: the bread, and when you're done, you're thinking, I want more?

766
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: When can I have it? When can I get it?

767
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: How can I hide it dah da da da, all

768
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: those food thoughts and food noise, that's where the abstinence

769
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: comes in. And so for anyone that has that propensity

770
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: towards food addiction, and I actually have a food addiction

771
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: quiz because it kind of will rate where your numbers are,

772
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: which can be interesting because if someone says I don't

773
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: actually have that, well, then then they just need a

774
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: different structured plan. But for most people who have that

775
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: propensity towards more and keep eating, then it is. The

776
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: boundaries are three meals a day or planned meals. Some

777
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: people like two. Planning your meals and knowing that's my

778
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: meal time, not eating in between. Those are my meals.

779
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: Measuring our meals because a lot of times when we

780
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: try to hold back, we're not eating enough and we

781
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: need enough, right, we need a good amount.

782
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Of proteining the pendulum.

783
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. We were strict and I'm just gonna

784
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: have this little bit. Well, then your brain's going to

785
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: be needing more. You're physically going to be needing it.

786
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, like I said, you end up worshipping

787
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: the restriction. You end up worshipping the calorie numbers or

788
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: the right on the scale. Yes, yes, So three abundantly

789
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: delicious meals a day measured and then avoiding processed sugar

790
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: and processed flour. So what that looks like is three

791
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: delicious meals a day, full meals or two whatever one decides,

792
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: or I have a four meal a day plan because

793
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of women who've had bariatric

794
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: surgery and can't eat quite as full amounts in any event,

795
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: and laying that meal out eating it real food actually

796
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: one ingredient food, no ingredient food. You know, things that

797
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: don't have a label. You just you know, actually beans

798
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: or chicken and steak and fish, and you know all

799
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: the things, all the fruits, all the vegetables, everything, okay,

800
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: real whole regular food. And then you know, because we

801
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: don't need processed sugar and flour to live. So that's

802
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: where the abstinence piece comes in, abstaining from those things

803
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: because it's the process sugar and the processed flour. Flour

804
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: acts just like sugar in our brain, answers our system.

805
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: There is nothing to digest, so our body interprets it

806
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: as a spike in glucose and then all of a sudden,

807
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: our brains is more, more and more, and then we're

808
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: off the rails. So the abstinence piece from those things.

809
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: Sugar cravings go away within three days, they're physically gone,

810
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: completely gone. Now, emotional cravings got to work through, okay,

811
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: And that's where I come in is, let's work through

812
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: how to get over the emotional part of wanting something

813
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: right when we have high emotion and then inflammation goes away.

814
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: Our feet don't hurt, our knees don't hurt, bodies feel

815
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: good and weight drops, and it's just the nature of

816
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: it when you were eating real, whole, healthy, regular food

817
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: three times a day, abundantly delicious, and there's no there's

818
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: no bad part to that. It's all a good part.

819
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: But people tend to be afraid of it, thinking, Okay, well,

820
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: my daughter's getting married and I need to have a

821
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: piece of birthday cake at our wedding. Then we have

822
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: to beg ourselves the question or ask ourselves, well, why

823
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: why I don't know?

824
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: Just what you do?

825
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, is what you did working for you? No,

826
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: Then let's just not worry about that cake that's coming

827
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: up in three months. Let's just focus on today and

828
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: we will worry about that cake closer to the time,

829
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: because when you start going one day at a time,

830
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry quite as much about the creature.

831
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just so good in practical right.

832
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's the same it's the same

833
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: conversations we have with people who struggle with drinking and

834
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: alcohol and getting right. It's like, we get afraid, I

835
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: can't celebrate anything without alcohol because you haven't. You haven't

836
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: known how to celebrate anything, or to go out with friends,

837
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: or to watch a sports game, or to do anything

838
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: without alcohol, right, And so I think the practical aspect

839
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: for you is the practical aspect for me.

840
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: I agree, what is.

841
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: Can you just treat me like I'm dumb? Okay, don't

842
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: ask my wife when you say processed sugar or flour

843
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: to find it for us?

844
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: Okay, anything. So, even if you were to take sugar

845
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: cane or a wheat stock, those would be fine because

846
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: our body knows what to do with it. It's not

847
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: been shaved process down to this little white powder. Okay.

848
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: And let's talk about the fact that that little white

849
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: powder looks like a lot of other little white powders. Okay,

850
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: it is completely a drug. When you take sugar from

851
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: the cane all the way down to that process white

852
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: powder from the wheat. Okay, for instance, when we take

853
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: wheat such as shredded wheat or triskets or things that

854
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: is just straight wheat sprouted green. When we eat those,

855
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: our bodies actually digest them. It's like an ice block

856
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: on a hot driveway. If you put an ice block

857
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: on hot driveway, it's going to take a long time

858
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: to melt. But if we shave it, shave it, shave it,

859
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: it's gone in a minute into our bloodstream. Same thing

860
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: with the whole foods. So the processed white flour is

861
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: obviously anything made with straight white flour, and then the

862
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: processed sugar. And there's upwards of sixty names for sugar

863
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: now because people start getting smart and picking, oh, I

864
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: don't want sugar. It's not just I don't want sugar

865
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: because I love sugar in fruit, in carrots and vegetables,

866
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: in natural food. God created natural sweetened food because he

867
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: gave us taste buds, He gave us hunger, he gave

868
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: us fullness. He expects us to eat and enjoy it.

869
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: There's no reason we can't. So when we're eating fruit,

870
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: it is whole fruit packaged in fiber and water and

871
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: slowly releases to our bloodstream. It's totally different than the

872
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: sugar we're going to get in a candy bar that

873
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: immediately hits our system. So anything that is made from

874
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: a refined sugar. And really, even if you pick out

875
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: a barbecue sauce, I like barbecue sauce, I like Ketchup,

876
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: there are some great ones made with natural sweeteners that

877
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: are fine, or even no sweetener.

878
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: Right.

879
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: I once have this funny video of you know, if

880
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: you like sugar, if you like Ketchup, you don't actually

881
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: like Ketchup, you like sugar because if you take a

882
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: bottle of Ketchup, three fourths of it is straight sugar. Okay,

883
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: So but you can find some that aren't that so

884
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: looking at ingredients and realizing all those things for processed sugar,

885
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: even salt has sometimes a type of flour in it

886
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: to be an anti caking agent. So you just have

887
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: to look at the ingredients find the things. It takes

888
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: a very short time to dial in all that learning curve,

889
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: and once that learning curve is in, life is easy.

890
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: It literally is so much simpler.

891
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: Whole wheat flour I mean, is there exception for that

892
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: or you're saying, hey, no, that's the same thing.

893
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, technically it's the same thing. Anything that has been

894
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: processed down to a flour, even coconut flour or almond flour,

895
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: we don't recommend because it's taking something really great, okay,

896
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: like an almond, and shaving it down, grinding it down

897
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: to the core essence that immediately hits our body and

898
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: fires up the sugar, our blood sugar. So you're better

899
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: off eating a handful of almonds then you would be

900
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: putting almond flour in something. So when you start grinding

901
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: something down to a white powder, that's where the problem is.

902
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: That powder is no longer a food that's going to

903
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: actually bring any nutrients to our body and help us

904
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: to you know, feel good, live good, and not bring

905
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: on those cravings.

906
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. You know, as as

907
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: we've been talking, I mean, I think I go through

908
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: periods in my life where you know, one little piece

909
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: of chocolate leads to five, you know, and I think

910
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: I have some of that, but I think I tend

911
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: to where I see my own personal problem tends to

912
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: be more on board eating eating out of habit you know,

913
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: and so in some ways it's like, and I need

914
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: to take your question y hers what I need to do.

915
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: But in some ways I'm like, Okay, maybe I'm not

916
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: to this level, just like, yeah, there are people who

917
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 2: I talk to are like, Okay, I'm not getting drunk

918
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: every night. But what I would say to them is, okay,

919
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: but are you convicted? You don't have to have a

920
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: rock bottom moment. You don't have to be getting drunk

921
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: every night to reevaluate your relationship with alcohol if it's

922
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: not serving you like all those things, right, So let

923
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: me ask you. I find myself board eating. I find

924
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: myself eating, you know, still eating for some comfort, maybe

925
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: not to the point where it's out of control, and

926
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: one bye de ice cream leads to a tough and

927
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it. So what do you say to

928
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 2: those people who are like me? And I think I

929
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: know the answer, like me who are just like okay,

930
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: But Christy, I'm not to the point maybe where you

931
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: were where I'm just thinking about and hiding chocolate. But man,

932
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: I do find myself kind of turning to it in

933
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: a way that might not be healthy. After listening to

934
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: the conversation, what do you say to people like me, Yeah, the.

935
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: Question is are you convicted by that? Does that feel

936
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, like, in the afternoon, if we're picking, we're

937
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: grabbing a bag of chips because we're bored. Does that

938
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: give us energy for the afternoon? Does it actually benefit

939
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: our body? Does it numb our brain because we don't

940
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: want to do something that's going to numb our brain.

941
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: Is it fine in the afternoon to go out with

942
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: a friend and have you know, chips and salsa and soda. Yes,

943
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. But if it's just because

944
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: we're bored and we think, okay, you know what, I'm

945
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: just going to run out and get this and sit

946
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: and watch a movie and eat it, that in itself

947
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: is not a horrible thing. But if it's happening on

948
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: a regular basis, then yes, we need to start evaluating

949
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: what else could I do in that time that could

950
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: actually be better? And even if you're going to watch

951
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: a movie, we don't.

952
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: Have to tie that with the food.

953
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: I started doing hand knitting this year with you know,

954
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: thick yarn because I thought, you know, I don't want

955
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: to be thinking I should be eating right now. That

956
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: let me tie these watching a movie with this particular

957
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: thing or drawing or you know, stuff like that. I

958
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: just don't. And that's one thing I don't do with

959
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: my I want to avoid with my kids is we

960
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: watch movies or you know, we go to movies. And

961
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: I said, early on, I said, I do not want

962
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: them to have this unhealthy attachment to food like I did.

963
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have the trauma quite experience.

964
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: You know that I did.

965
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: But either way, you can tie everything to food. And

966
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: so when we would go to the movies, we didn't

967
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: get popcorn, and people thought I was so weird. What

968
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: do you mean you don't get your kids popcorn? Now,

969
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: if we were in a group and you know, everyone

970
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: was getting popcorn sometimes, but it wasn't like we have

971
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: to have this want to to go here. So just

972
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: I would just take one board instance and break it

973
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: and see how you feel, because then you'll know, oh,

974
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have to have food. It's kind of like

975
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: proving yourself, talking to yourself and being aware because just

976
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: the idea of being aware that your board eating is huge.

977
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: Most people don't even recognize it. They just think, well,

978
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: it's three o'clock, I'm just going to grab something. Well,

979
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: what if we just cut out that snack and did

980
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: a little ten minute walk around the block or called

981
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: a parent or called a friend or you know, something

982
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: to just break that. You know, it's like pattern interrupt

983
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: if you will, Yeah, and it can change that and

984
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: make us aware.

985
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: So you said something there that I literally wrote down

986
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: as was going to be my next question, which is

987
00:54:51,200 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: how do we ensure and create these healthy habits and

988
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: this healthy attachment to food with our kids? Because I

989
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: think you know that is that is you know, as

990
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: I look forward and it's like, Okay, I know, I

991
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: got some stuff to work on after having this conversation,

992
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: and I was immediately thinking, oh my gosh, some of

993
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: these things that because I've said there, I mean, like

994
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be really transparent. Last night sitting there

995
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: watching TV, watching TV in bed, my wife and I.

996
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: That's kind of like that's what we like, Like we

997
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: don't really watch TV in the living room or the

998
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 2: meeting room. We watch it in bed. And my daughter

999
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: came in. We thought she was asleep. She came in.

1000
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: She's ten, you know, and she comes in and she's

1001
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: talking to us, and I go and she's learning. She's

1002
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: actually learning how to cook and that's one thing we love.

1003
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: To do together.

1004
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 2: Well, so I said, hey, hey, baby, can you can

1005
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: you go make me a bag of popcorn? And she's like, yeah, yeah,

1006
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: And so she did, and she made me a bag

1007
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: of popcorn. And I'm sitting there and I'm eating this

1008
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: whole bag of popcorn in you know, and I'm like,

1009
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's I don't think did I really

1010
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: need that bag of popcorn an hour before I went

1011
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: to sleep? I don't think so, you know, but it

1012
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: was kind of like a board thing, you know. But now,

1013
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 2: what have I taught her? Right? Well, what's the example

1014
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: I've shown her about that? Right? So all that to say,

1015
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: I'll go back to the question is how do we

1016
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: instill and model and make sure that we're doing healthy

1017
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: habits for our kids in these areas?

1018
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: Right? Well, I want to say, you also taught her

1019
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: that her parents love each other and they're hanging out

1020
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: in bed watching a movie. And that's beautiful because we

1021
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: got to remember those things that that is what she

1022
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: will take from that, not just we have to have

1023
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: popcorn in bed. But so, you know, I think that's

1024
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: important that we're remembering you're welcome. Those are key things

1025
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: that to bless our kids with. And you know, I

1026
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: would love to tell you that I have that completely

1027
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: figured out. I don't what I have done because I

1028
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: learned that just like at one point we hand their

1029
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: relationship to the Lord off to them, we control it,

1030
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: maybe up until they're about I don't know, ten or

1031
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: eleven or whatever that kind of age is, and at

1032
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: some point they have to grab onto that and decide,

1033
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: I love the Lord, I want to go to church.

1034
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: I feel the Holy Spirit right. And I don't know

1035
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: exactly where that age is, you know, but it's just

1036
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: depending on their maturity and stuff. It's kind of the

1037
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: same thing like our whole life. We're having a relationship

1038
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: with food and it should be beautiful. Okay, when I

1039
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: look back to I think how it probably was. You know,

1040
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: when you're working a farm as a family, like I

1041
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: have this idyllic view. It's probably wrong, but you know,

1042
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: you get up and mom'm cooking, and you have a

1043
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: meal together and then you don't think about it and

1044
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: then you're tired and then you eat together again and

1045
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: it's all real whole food. Now, that would be awesome,

1046
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: but we live in a world where everywhere they go

1047
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: there's no off time for eating, and so I have

1048
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: to say no a lot every time. I remember when

1049
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: my first daughter was a toddler and I had like

1050
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: eight stops to make and we went to the bank.

1051
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: You were in the bank and they hand are a sucker. Okay.

1052
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: Then I went to the dry cleaners and in there

1053
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: they had a mint. Then we went to the grocery

1054
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: store and someone say, oh, here's a cookie for your daughter.

1055
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: And I thought, what in the world, how am I

1056
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: going to combat this? And I realized I had to

1057
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: say no a lot, And I realized I had to

1058
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: talk a lot about you know what, let's go home

1059
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: and make a cookie, all right, and with whole ingredients.

1060
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: And so my kids, to be honest with you, they're

1061
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: annoyed that I talk about real food all the time. Look,

1062
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: we made this with real food. Make some brownies, yes,

1063
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: go for it. Look we can find this recipe where

1064
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: it's real. Now, I don't even eat brownies that have

1065
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: cocoa and you know, sugar or things like that. But

1066
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm not telling them, oh no, no, you're eating exactly

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: like I do. But I know that some of them

1068
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: may have a propensity like I do. And they're going

1069
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: to have to own that at some point. I'm going

1070
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: to teach them all the things I'm going to teach them. Hey,

1071
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: we don't need to eat all day, and gosh, if

1072
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: you look at you know research, three hours before bed

1073
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: is an ideal time to stop eating. Sorry for the

1074
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: popcorn situation, but in reality, that just is good for

1075
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: our bodies because we were fully digested and we lay

1076
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: down and we're gonna sleep better. And so I teach

1077
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: all the biology type, the science parts of it, but

1078
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: I know I talk about it too much, and I

1079
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: know that they're going to have to own it and

1080
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: struggle with it on their own because we are in

1081
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: a world where I'll be honest, we even go to

1082
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: church and there's donuts at church, and oh yeah, it

1083
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: irks me because we walk in and I'm not gonna

1084
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: have them. I'm not even tempted by it. But my kids,

1085
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've told them, no, we're not having that.

1086
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: But sometimes they're there, they're in their youth group, there's donuts.

1087
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: They're eating a donut, two donuts first thing in the morning.

1088
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? But anyway, so I love

1089
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: to say I have a perfect answer, but I do

1090
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: have a couple of little tricks that I say, we

1091
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: don't call sweets a tree. I was at a football game,

1092
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: my son played football and they were there and I

1093
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: told my girls, at halftime, we can go get a treat.

1094
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: And then I was referring to sugar. Okay, a candy bar.

1095
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: They could each pick out one thing. And then I said,

1096
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: wait a minute, We're not going to go get a

1097
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: treat at halftime. You guys can get a candy bar

1098
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: at halftime. That's not the treat. The treat is right here,

1099
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: your mom, your dad, your sister's watching, your brother. Were safe,

1100
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: we're healthy, we're happy, we got here in a car.

1101
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: We get to go home to a warm bed. This

1102
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: is the treat. But yes, you can have a candy

1103
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: bar at halftime. And so I stopped calling it treats.

1104
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: The treat is far greater than a candy bar.

1105
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: Love that. And it's funny you said about talk about donuts.

1106
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: Like this morning, drop my kids off at school and

1107
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: it's book fair week as we're recording this, and so

1108
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 2: I walk in. You know, we do the book fair

1109
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: and they have donuts for them. Right. But here's the funny.

1110
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: The irony is I knew I was recording this today,

1111
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: and so I really wanted to have one of the pink,

1112
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, ice donuts. And I'm like, no, sure, I'm

1113
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna be good, but I let my son have one.

1114
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, wait a second.

1115
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's hard. We don't want to mess them up. Okay,

1116
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. I think about it every day.

1117
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: I go to bed every night. I'm a mom, you're

1118
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: a dad, and we want to do right by our kids.

1119
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: But there's no clear cut answer. I'm fifty. If I decide,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not having any of those donuts ever

1121
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: again in my life, that's a decision I make. But

1122
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: to tell them you're never having that, then they're going

1123
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: to have a little bit of Then they might want

1124
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: to hide it. So, you know, I do the best

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01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: I can, and I pray. I pray Lord let them

1126
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: lean on you for all the things. You know, having

1127
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: a donut in church, in it of itself is not wrong.

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: In fact, my husband loves donuts. This is one of

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01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: his favorite things. He can have a donut and he

1130
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: has no desire to have more none. Ever. Yeah, okay,

1131
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: that is not a problem of his. He has other issues,

1132
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: that's not one of them. For me. If I were

1133
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: to have a donut, it would spike a fireworks show

1134
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: in my brain, and even if I fought it, it

1135
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: would be there and it would last and I would

1136
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: likely dip in for more, and then the role would continue.

1137
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: So it is. It's a tricky, tricky thing is the

1138
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: world we live in, and that food is okay. And

1139
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: just like you said gluttony, he's okay. If I walked

1140
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: into my church with a bottle of wine, I'd be no,

1141
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: I'd be talking to But if I come in with

1142
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: a dozen donuts, nobody's going to say a word.

1143
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: And right, and I do think there is room for too.

1144
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: Just like I tell people is I don't preach I

1145
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: don't preach abstinence for everyone, right in the sense that

1146
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: if my wife, my wife drinks right, she can because

1147
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: she can have one glass of wine at dinner and

1148
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: that's it for two three weeks. I have one glass.

1149
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: I have one glass of wine at dinner. I have

1150
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: one beer, and I'm like, I need the next one

1151
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: right now, right right. And what I'm realizing too is

1152
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: it's funny because donuts are kind of my thing in

1153
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: the sense of it's really hard for me to have

1154
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: just one. And I'm guys, talk about radical vulnerability. Christy,

1155
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm realizing this of stuff here. My son. On Saturday,

1156
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: I had this thing at church and doing this discipleship

1157
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: program at church, so I have to go early. And

1158
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: my daughter and my wife were going to have like,

1159
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, a thing where they were with their cousins

1160
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: and my sister in laws. And so basically the girls

1161
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 2: were gonna have a day and the guys are gonna

1162
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: have a day. So that was gonna start once I

1163
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: got back from church. And so my son is like, hey,

1164
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: can you order us donuts? And so I did, but

1165
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: I just ordered him a donut and and a little

1166
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: colotchi and and my son is like, my son's not

1167
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: a sweet skuy, I'm a sweet person. Okay, Oh my gosh,

1168
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: this is this sounds so horrible to say it.

1169
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: That's it.

1170
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: Let's do it, my son. So I get back from

1171
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: from from the church program. Yeah, and we're in we're

1172
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: the afternoon, and I go, oh, buddy, did you enjoy

1173
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: your donut that daddy got you? Because I had to leave,

1174
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: right And so the donuts I ordered them, they didn't

1175
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: come to all after that, Okay, he goes, Yeah, he goes,

1176
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: I didn't eat the whole thing. I kind of got full, Christy,

1177
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: I went, I went into the trash and and you know,

1178
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: because the donut was in like a styrofoam container, right,

1179
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: so it's not like they're sitting on like you know,

1180
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: maggots and stuff.

1181
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: Yes, And I ate the rest of the donut, Christy,

1182
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: I I I literally went.

1183
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: Through the trash and ate the rest of the don't.

1184
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: I think that's a I'm realizing. I don't think that's

1185
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: normal behavior. But the donut has like the best of

1186
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: the refined worlds, right, It's got the processed flour and

1187
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: the process sugar.

1188
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: Is I.

1189
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: Can't just yeah, oh my gosh, Christine.

1190
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: Power, That's what we have to remember is over certain

1191
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: people that would add power over me, and it would

1192
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: control me, and and it did you. And I'll be

1193
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: honest with you, pretty much every person I've ever talked

1194
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: to has taken food off the top of the trash.

1195
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: So don't feel bad. I'm not saying everything don't do it, right,

1196
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: but it's actually very common and but it's very hard

1197
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: to admit. So the fact that you just said that

1198
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: kudos to you literally, because people will hear that and

1199
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 1: say I've done that. You know, my kid threw away

1200
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: half of their you know burger. Well it was right there,

1201
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: come on, and let's you know. So it's more common

1202
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: than you think, and good chopp being more.

1203
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: But it's the idea, like what's bothering me about it?

1204
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: It's the idea that like I couldn't just leave it right,

1205
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: you know?

1206
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: Right?

1207
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's where my conviction is starting to come through.

1208
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: Just everything you want to know something else, man, this

1209
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: is just radically vulnerable time. This is opening up a whole,

1210
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: a whole can is We played this game as a family,

1211
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: I don't know about a month ago, where we each

1212
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: had to do we each had to do charades at

1213
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: the kitchen table. Yeah, and and it was like okay,

1214
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: uh Annie, my daughter, and uh Annie, you do you

1215
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: do a thing like uh imitating like mommy right?

1216
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: Okay?

1217
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: And so she did, you know, she just said and

1218
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: were and we had to guess what she was doing, right,

1219
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: you know what my son's charade was?

1220
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: For me? Oh what was it?

1221
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: It was going around and picking food off of each

1222
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: person's plate and eating it. And everyone right away was like, yep,

1223
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: that's totally daddy, yep. And I'm realizing it's not like

1224
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: am I sitting there gorging myself on other people's food,

1225
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: But it's like I can't I can't say no to

1226
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: just picking up something off the kids.

1227
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: If it's just there.

1228
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, right, Yeah, so I feel in that conviction.

1229
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way to find out is the next night,

1230
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: if you don't do it, ponder and think why, how

1231
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: does that feel? I didn't do it? And what comes up?

1232
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: What bubbles up to the surface, Because that's how we

1233
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: know is when we cut it or we move it temporarily. Right,

1234
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with you eating a donut. If you

1235
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: have a donut and don't want it, it's not healthy.

1236
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: It's not a great food, right, that's going to benefit us.

1237
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: But there's no harmful sin in it of itself. So yeah,

1238
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: avoid that or you know, often if I have a temptation.

1239
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: Someone at one point left a Sunday on my counter

1240
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: because we had a party and there was one left over.

1241
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: I'd made these ice cream Sundays and everyone went outside

1242
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: to play, and I was all alone in the kitchen

1243
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: and this thing started calling my name and said let's

1244
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: have a one night stand, baby, let's go you're all alone.

1245
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: And I literally immediately I recorded it because I'm like,

1246
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: I got to record this. I'm putting in my sink.

1247
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm letting water drain over and I'm gonna watch it

1248
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: run clear and beautiful, just like I want my mind

1249
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: to be. So if that donut does that again, put

1250
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: ketchup on it, you know, put a little ketchup, put

1251
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: it down the state, do something, yeah, you know, to

1252
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: just and then you will start feeling the feels and think, oh,

1253
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: that's why I did that.

1254
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: That's how, you know, get curious, right, That's what we

1255
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: talk about in addictionary, Yeah, get curious. And so it's

1256
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: funny because say no to that strawberry icing donut today

1257
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: was a lot harder. It was a lot harder than

1258
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: I wanted it to be. Yeah, And so you're like,

1259
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: I need to get curious about that. Yeah, maybe I'm

1260
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: stepping into a landmine here. But we now live in

1261
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 2: an age, okay, where you don't if you don't like

1262
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,520
Speaker 2: your weight, or maybe if you don't like your relationship

1263
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: with donuts, okay, where it's you no longer have to

1264
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: worry about the self control you can take a medicine

1265
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: that makes it so that you're not hungry, right and

1266
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: makes it so that you're not full. Yeah, So I'm

1267
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: curious your thoughts because, listen, we also have this in

1268
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: the alcohol world, right, you can take a pill that

1269
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: literally makes you temporarily as long as you're taking the pill,

1270
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: you can't drink, right, you get violently sick and whatnot.

1271
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: And and so I have a friend named Sherry, She's

1272
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: been on this podcast. And what was fascinating to me

1273
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: is that Sherry was on this pill will being an

1274
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 2: active alcoholic because she found ways around it, okay, and

1275
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: she never got to the heart issue. It helped her

1276
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: stop drinking and cut back the drinking, but she never

1277
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: got to the heart issue. And I just wonder, Christy,

1278
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: is where we live in a society now where you

1279
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: can take GLP ones and as a way to curby

1280
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: your eating addiction. What are your thoughts on that? What

1281
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on those medicines? What are your thoughts

1282
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: on if you have a problem with overeating? I mean,

1283
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: is there room? You know, I'm not categorically against these

1284
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 2: medications that help someone stop drinking. It's like if you

1285
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: if you literally can't stop drinking. You're drinking yourself to death.

1286
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: I want you to use every tool in the tool

1287
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: tool belt. I want you to be here, you know

1288
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I'm just curious what your thoughts

1289
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: are now on the era we're living in now, these

1290
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: types of medications, we'll be right back after this.

1291
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: I am very concerned for so many reasons. I actually

1292
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,839
Speaker 1: just wrote a blog called should Christians take weight loss shots?

1293
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 1: Use weight loss shots? Or take GLP ones? And it

1294
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: it has to it stems from a place of non judgment.

1295
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't don't want someone to think I'm going to

1296
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: be judgmental if they decide to do that, because we

1297
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: all get to choose. Now, I am going to say,

1298
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: before you do that, would you please talk to God?

1299
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: Would you please sit and pray? Would you please ponder this?

1300
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: Would you please go to scripture? Do something. Don't just

1301
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: aim at this target because that's the target today, it

1302
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: won't be the target in six months, well probably for

1303
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: a couple of year, I don't know. It seems like

1304
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be around for a while. But let's really

1305
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: think before we just jump to that. Because we now

1306
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: fortunately have so many people who've done, those who've tried

1307
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: to come off of them, immediately gained the weight back,

1308
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: totally malnourished. Such malnourished them that goes on stomach paralysis

1309
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: because they can't eat. I had a friend, an acquaintance,

1310
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: actually I didn't know her super well, went on GLP

1311
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: WINS and it altered her personality so extreme that she

1312
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: ended up doing self harm to herself in a real

1313
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: bad way, in a permanent way. And there is something

1314
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: about these weight loss shots that is, you know, we

1315
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: have all the celebrities taking them and talking about oh

1316
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: so simple, and you know, food noise is gone and

1317
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about anything, but all while

1318
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: muscle is being lost organ you know, weight of organs,

1319
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: and our body is being lost malnourishment, which is crazy

1320
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: to me because it doesn't make you not eat chocolate.

1321
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: It makes you not hungry, and when you are hungry,

1322
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: you can still choose a candy bar. You shouldn't and

1323
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: you're instructed not to, but people do, and then it's

1324
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: not hitting the root. It is not going to be

1325
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: successful long term. And most people that go on them,

1326
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: the doctor has told them you'll never go off of it,

1327
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give you a little side note.

1328
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: I was actually because of my follower count status, whatever

1329
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: people think, I was a approached by a GLP one

1330
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: company to white label okay, meaning I could sell them

1331
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: as Life Unbinched and add them as an offering and

1332
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: the you will not believe the amount of money I

1333
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: was offered per month to do this, fifty thousand dollars

1334
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: per month to create a white label. However, they do

1335
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: that for Life Unbinched based upon you know, I have

1336
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: several platforms and several you know, quite a large follower count.

1337
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: I almost threw it. I thought, what this is a joke.

1338
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: So then I start researching it further. My husband's a lawyer,

1339
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this cannot even be real. I was

1340
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: so mad that that is what money. It's all about

1341
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: the money, and it truly was that amount. It truly

1342
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: could have been. And I said, no, no, I'm not

1343
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. There is nothing that would allow

1344
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: me to do that.

1345
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: I have my so let me just give it. You

1346
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: turned down over half a million dollars a year on principle.

1347
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: Yes, it blew my mind. And my son and said

1348
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: should you should you think about this? And I said, no,

1349
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: I would rather figure out a way to always keep

1350
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: paying our bills. That wouldn't feel right. And then the question,

1351
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: and this is the thing, and my local doctor recently

1352
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: reproached me and said, we're starting to do GLP ones.

1353
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: I live in a small town. And they said, we

1354
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: don't have a choice because everybody's doing it. They're going

1355
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else, so we're doing it. But I

1356
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: appreciated this. They said, we know what you do, and

1357
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: we want to have your books in our office and

1358
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: we want you to write up something that we can

1359
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: give to people. Also because it's a you know, we

1360
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: live kind of in a small town and you know,

1361
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: pretty faith based, you know, and right here in Texas

1362
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. So so I did that and I thought

1363
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: that was responsible. That felt a little more responsible. But anyway,

1364
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: it is just one of those things that I've never

1365
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: met somebody who actually has had success long term. And

1366
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: now we're seeing all these stories of you know, the

1367
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: stomach prolysis and the eye issue and not being able

1368
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: to gain weight. Ever, you know, once you if you're

1369
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: on them, you're going to keep going lower, lower, lower, Okay,

1370
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: And a lot of people have spoken out about this too.

1371
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: The idea that this could be a success just is

1372
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: so sad to me because it's all in the name

1373
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: of vanity. This is not about anything else but vanity

1374
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yes, people say, well, I want the

1375
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: food noise to stop. I agree, And there's ways to

1376
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: do that, because when we stop the sugar and the

1377
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: more and the constant eating, that does stop. But it

1378
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: takes a little bit of work. It takes some deep work,

1379
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: some hard work, the hard work. But if you want

1380
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: to do it and you want to solve that, you can.

1381
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: And those shots are not they're not doing it. It's

1382
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: doing it. It's doing what it's supposed to do. But

1383
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: when we look at five years, I think it's going

1384
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: to be real bad. I just see it heading in

1385
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: that direction. Is there any room and I'm just asking

1386
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: this honestly, for someone in the short term who is

1387
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: morbidly obese and you know, you know the TLC shows

1388
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: my my eight hundred pound life or whatever.

1389
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean, they're literally at risk. I mean, is there

1390
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: any room for it in some instances? I'm just curious.

1391
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this, I believe absolutely there is

1392
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: room for it. Okay, And there has been room for it.

1393
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: That's been happening. It's already been happening where it's medically necessary.

1394
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: So the issue is and when that happens, there are

1395
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: if a doctor that does that, should also have a nutritionist,

1396
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: should work with them, should talk about movement, should teach

1397
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: them all the things so they can start learning that,

1398
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: teaching the mental health part of it. Okay, you're gonna

1399
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: want this, Why are you wanting it? Let's get to

1400
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: the root of that. And I do believe that that

1401
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: has already been happening. And now it's just we're not

1402
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: even gonna see you. You're gonna dial in on your internet,

1403
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna get the rescription too. You

1404
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: can even get a pill. Now, let's not have a shot.

1405
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: Let's get a pill. And then we don't ever walk

1406
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: beside you. We do nothing. We just are giving you this.

1407
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna not want to eat, and you're gonna need

1408
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: to eat because your body requires energy and food. But

1409
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna need to figure that out, and we're

1410
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: not gonna work with you.

1411
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 2: Just do this.

1412
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose the weight and then what and most

1413
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: people will stay on it. And I don't know what

1414
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: the effects are. I once heard a comedian and it

1415
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: was kind of funny, but it kind of wasn't said

1416
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: something like I'm gonna definitely start taking one of these

1417
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: weight loss shots because I want in on the class

1418
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: action suit in five years because there and it was

1419
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: a funny concept that it's not doing well. But yes,

1420
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: I believe there's a place for it, but it's a

1421
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: very small place. And what's happening isn't that. That's not

1422
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: what's happening. What's happening is I'm tired of dealing with this.

1423
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 1: And so you know, I took a video on the

1424
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: other day at a pharmacy where people go to get

1425
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: their weight loss medicaid okay, and other medications, because we

1426
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: do need pharmacies. We do need some medications for things.

1427
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. But on the way in

1428
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,520
Speaker 1: and lined right below where you pay was Dorito's Snickers,

1429
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: all the candy bars. So while I'm picking up my

1430
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: medication okay, whatever it's for, Snickers probably isn't going to

1431
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: help you with whatever you're fighting. And I think the

1432
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: problem is way bigger than the shots. It's this whole

1433
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: food industry. You have, the pharma industry, and it's it's

1434
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: very concerning, and I don't even know what's going to

1435
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: be happening with it over years, but there's a place.

1436
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: It's a small place, and you know, if people are

1437
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: learning to really dig deep and figure things out and

1438
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: work with a counselor work with the nutritionists, start learning

1439
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: what to eat, why to eat, when to eat, how

1440
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: to eat, then I think that could be a possibility.

1441
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: But that's not what's happening unfortunately.

1442
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's very similar to my thoughts

1443
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: on on and it's called antibes right, which is you know,

1444
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: some and someone came out with a book recently that

1445
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: was like drink Yourself Sober, right, and the idea was

1446
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 2: you take the pill and then you drink, and then

1447
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 2: you you're like, oh, this is making me sick. I'm

1448
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 2: not going to drink. And then and it's like I

1449
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: just don't, like, you're not getting to the issues, right,

1450
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: Like you're not getting to the root issues, and then

1451
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: you have to be on that pill for the rest

1452
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: of your life. And it's like, what's the point, you know.

1453
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1454
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: My final topic that I want to cover with you is,

1455
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: you know, one of the most popular questions that I

1456
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: get is regarding people who see loved ones who are struggling,

1457
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: and I think in some ways that's an easier conversation

1458
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: and in my world of addiction. I'm agree your world

1459
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: of addiction, right, but I think it's a conversation that

1460
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: has to happen in your world of addiction. And so

1461
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 2: my question is how how do how do you loved

1462
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: ones approach people who who were were looking at them?

1463
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I have someone in my life.

1464
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm just using the general wee. So if you're listening

1465
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 2: to this or your friend or loved one and you're like,

1466
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: don't be thinking, I'm thinking about you here, Okay, but

1467
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: how do you approach someone who you say, man, it

1468
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: really looks like they have an unhealthy relationship with food,

1469
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: whether that's eating too much or eating too little even right,

1470
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 2: but man, food or whatever has a occupied a place

1471
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: in your life that is unhold. How do you have

1472
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: that conversation?

1473
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a very hard one. And I agree

1474
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: that if somebody is drinking themselves drunk every night, not

1475
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: remembering things, you know, maybe getting in a car like

1476
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: all those things, that's, yeah, it's an easier conversation it's

1477
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: still a hard conversation, but it feels easier because we can,

1478
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, talk about alcohol makes you unconfined, happy, unhealthy,

1479
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: bad person, right like alcohol does. It's not you because

1480
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: you're a great person. But when you have alcohol, the

1481
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: alcohol takes over and alcohol is not good. So it's

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01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: different because then you can kind of blame it on

1483
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: the alcohol. Now, when you're talking to someone who is very,

1484
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: very large, very unhealthy, you see them eating garbage all

1485
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: the time. These coffee drinks, oh that's a whole nother

1486
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: pet peeve of mine.

1487
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 2: Become so much coffee drinks.

1488
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: Yes, they have some of the mass seventy grams of

1489
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: sugar upwards of more, and some of them are massive.

1490
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, do you know what that's doing to

1491
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: your organs right to your body, your reproductive organs, your

1492
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, your liver, every part of you, your heart,

1493
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: your brain, do you know? So what I always would

1494
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: start with, and you're always going to be met with defensiveness.

1495
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a way around it, especially when

1496
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: it comes to it, because the only outward sign is weight, okay,

1497
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: or brain fog. And so I liked, if I you

1498
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: can find something you can pin it on other than weight,

1499
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: because the weight is just a side note of what's

1500
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: going on in our body. All right. So often, and

1501
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with someone very dear to me,

1502
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: and it's very hard. But you know, honey, or you know, friend, whatever,

1503
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really concerned about your health, you know,

1504
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 1: and you know you're just your brain. Your cognitive function

1505
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 1: is so much better when you're not having these sugary drinks.

1506
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: And so if you can tie it and start with

1507
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: that that you know, I notice when you're not having

1508
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: that stuff, you're just more organized, and you know, your

1509
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: house is cleaner, and you're just calmer and you're sweeter.

1510
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: So ideally it can tie to that. And then but

1511
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: the bottom line is if somebody is upwards over three

1512
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: hundred some odd pounds, their their body is not healthy.

1513
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: It's just not I'm not talking about a grown man.

1514
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, five foot five, you know,

1515
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: a woman that if you have gotten yourself to that place,

1516
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: the internal things that are going on. So I just

1517
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: always start with I'm so concerned about your health, and

1518
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I really want you to be eating you know, healthy

1519
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: things that actually support your brain and your you know

1520
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 1: your heart because you want to live a long time

1521
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: and you not just living a long time, right, but

1522
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: you want to because we can't control how we live,

1523
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: but live quality. Right. I want you to live free

1524
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: and not be worried about all that stuff and just

1525
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: be able to think more clear. And then your body

1526
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: just you know, our bodies want to follow suit. When

1527
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: we start eating well or quitting drinking or quitting sugar,

1528
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: our bodies just respond because they love it. It just

1529
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: automatically feels good. And this particular person's I know that,

1530
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: I know that's the case. I know it's just hard,

1531
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: and I understand, and if there's anything I can do

1532
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: to help you, I want to help you. But here's

1533
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: the problem. Now, that same person now has people in

1534
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: our life that are taking GLP ones and even came

1535
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: to me and said, well, look at all these people.

1536
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: They just take a shot and they've lost all this weight.

1537
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so I don't know. Now, It's like, okay, yes,

1538
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: but now watch them, watch and see what's going to

1539
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: happen over the next couple of years, you know. So yeah,

1540
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: it's very sensitive, it's very delicate, it's very hard, and

1541
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: I would never do it. Without praying. First Lord, absolutely

1542
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: your words. They need to hear your words, because this

1543
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: is about their health. This is about their quality of life.

1544
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: And if someone is carrying an extra hundred pounds, they're

1545
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: not having the greatest quality of life. I'm sorry if

1546
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: they say, oh, body positivity, I'm sorry. Nobody wants to

1547
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 1: carry an extra hundred pounds around on their body. They don't.

1548
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: And yes, it's not about the body image. It's about

1549
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: what's happening inside and that's the weight is just a result.

1550
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you alluded to this just very

1551
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 2: from the beginning that like our body types, we do

1552
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: come in all ships and sizes, right, And so you know,

1553
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 2: I think that the BMI indicator is one of the

1554
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: worst things in the world, right because like, according to

1555
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 2: the b and I, you know, I'm supposed to be

1556
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty pounds, But what I have

1557
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 2: found is for my height, I'm five six, my healthy

1558
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: weight is like one eighty five. I'm at like one

1559
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 2: ninety one right now. So I'm like, okay, I need

1560
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 2: to you know, but you know, and I think you

1561
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: even said this, it's like you're you're not you know,

1562
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: for you it wasn't about getting to some rail thin

1563
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: you know place your body type is what it is, right,

1564
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 2: and so for me, i'm you know, whether you want

1565
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 2: to call it big bone, whether when you know you whatever,

1566
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 2: it's like, my my healthy stasis is about one eighty five.

1567
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 2: And if I'm there, then other things are just functioning

1568
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: better and in alignment and whatnot. And I think that's

1569
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 2: what you're getting at, right.

1570
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, that's the thing. It's funny because I've talked

1571
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: to a lot of people who really try and get

1572
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: how much do you weigh? Christy? What is your weight?

1573
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: I won't ever share it. The reason is because if

1574
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: somebody thinks, oh, well she's amount of weight, well, then

1575
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: that's bigger than I am, or that's less or that's

1576
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 1: too low, or that's too high. I'm not going to

1577
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: get into that because what matters is, and I teach people,

1578
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: let's surrender that number on the scale. Let's see what

1579
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: God wants to do. Let's see where you fall. Let's

1580
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: see your happy way. My actually happy ideal way is

1581
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: far greater than any doctor's chart is going to ever say. Right,

1582
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: happy there, and it feels good and it fits right on,

1583
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, five nine I do think I'm big boned,

1584
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 1: whether that's real or not, I do believe that I

1585
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: just have a bigger statue. Yeah, so we're going to

1586
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 1: be higher than somebody who has petite, small, tiny legs,

1587
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: and we can't get into that, you know what I mean.

1588
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like everybody needs to figure out a goal range.

1589
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: Pick a range, right, a five pound range, because especially

1590
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: as a woman, I'm sure as a woman, I'm sure

1591
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: men have this too, but women have so many different

1592
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: things with hormones and cycles and time a month that

1593
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: there is a five pound range that's ideal for a

1594
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: man too, because if we're eating soy sauce or things

1595
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: like that, we hold water. So have a range fall

1596
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: within that. But ask the Lord, what's a good range

1597
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: for me? Rather than I need to be at my

1598
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: high school weight, that's where I'm gonna be. I'm gonna

1599
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: take this shot or I'm gonna not eat until I

1600
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: get to that weight. Well, is that weight gonna serve you?

1601
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: Probably not. Let's pick a weight that actually works for

1602
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 1: right where you're in life, right now, after having babies,

1603
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: after having you know, whatever it might be, whether a

1604
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: woman or a man.

1605
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, Christy, this was so good.

1606
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm good. I can talk to you all day. I

1607
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: love the parallel of yeah, and you're you know real

1608
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: quick when you start off saying, there are some people

1609
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: who are gonna say, oh, sugar addiction, really please, I

1610
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: have that, and I'm able to explain to people. And

1611
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: just like if you're listening and you deal with alcohol

1612
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: or any of the hard drugs all the way up

1613
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: until the point that I take that sugar or someone

1614
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 1: takes that drink or takes that you know, drug, that's

1615
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: when the difference is shift. That's when we part ways.

1616
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: Is mine was obesity, food obsession, continue to eat food,

1617
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: coma someone else's drunkenness, and all the things that come

1618
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: along with that. But up until that we are on

1619
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: the same path, and then the consequences are different, but

1620
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. The roots are the same.

1621
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, You've you've mentioned courses, You've mentioned your book.

1622
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 2: Where if this, if this conversation is resonating with people,

1623
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 2: which it's resonated with me, and I know it is

1624
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: resonating with people. Where can they go to get more?

1625
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: And and maybe they want you to help coach them.

1626
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 2: Where can they go?

1627
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: So my tagline, my my business name, my my name

1628
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: handle whatever is Life unbinged. So it's l I F

1629
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: E U n b I n g ed So all

1630
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: the socials is Life Unbinged at Life Unbinged and Life

1631
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: unbinged dot Com is my website, and there's the quizzes

1632
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 1: and a free guide and all the things that I

1633
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: do to work with people and tips, truth recipes. I

1634
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: have a podcast where I share just small bites of

1635
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,600
Speaker 1: encouragement five to seven minutes a week, releases on Tuesdays.

1636
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: That's also on my website. So and then I have

1637
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: a book because I thought, you know what, I'm going

1638
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: to get this all down and in book form because

1639
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: I think some people want one to one coaching, some

1640
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: people just want to buy a book, doesn't matter. I

1641
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: want everybody to be able to have something. So I

1642
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: have free resources all the way up to holding someone's

1643
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: hand walking them through this process. And my book is

1644
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: also called Life Unbinged faith Filled Freedom from Food Obsession

1645
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: and Sugar Addiction, and that has action steps and everything

1646
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: as well, and that's on Amazon. So Life Unbinged that's

1647
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: where you find me.

1648
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Well, Christy, thank you, thank you so much for this.

1649
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: You know I'd tell people offline before we get started, like, hey,

1650
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 2: if this goes thirty minutes, if this goes an hour,

1651
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 2: like whatever the Lord wants to do. And we went

1652
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, and that's what the Lord wanted.

1653
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: And so I love that because it was It's an

1654
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: important conversation. It's an important when I say we're all

1655
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: addicted to something, right, talk about trademarking. Maybe I need

1656
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 2: to trademark that, you know, we're all addicted to something.

1657
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 2: I think that something for a lot of people, more

1658
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 2: than they realize, is food. And you're finding comfort through

1659
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: your mouth and your taste buds. And the Lord is like, hey,

1660
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: what if you what if you turn to me instead?

1661
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 2: You know? And so I appreciate the work that you're doing.

1662
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1663
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so glad to have had this time

1664
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 1: with you, and I appreciate all that you do as well.

1665
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I am not just saying this, but I think,

1666
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 2: honestly that was one of the most important episodes of

1667
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: this podcast so far, because as I as I mentioned

1668
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: when I was talking with Christy, is that if if

1669
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 2: it is true that we are all addicted to something right,

1670
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: which I believe it is, right, then that's something or

1671
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: I think that that's something so often manifests in in

1672
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 2: food and because the roots are so many times the same.

1673
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: And and for me, I was seeking escape and comfort

1674
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 2: in alcohol. And I just think that way too many

1675
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: people than we are willing to admit seek seek escape

1676
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 2: and comfort in food, and it's just one of the

1677
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 2: most acceptable forms of addiction out there. And so I think,

1678
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: like when to hear Christy talk about it in the

1679
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: terms that she was, I mean, guys, it just mirrors

1680
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: my addiction so much. And so what she said at

1681
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 2: the end there is that like up until the point

1682
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 2: of ingesting the substance, everything is the same and even

1683
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 2: even after that, right, like the thing the way that

1684
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 2: it roots itself in our hearts. And so yeah, guys,

1685
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: I am going to be doing some serious searching in

1686
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 2: light of this episode, because I think that there are

1687
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: ways that I have swapped addictions when it comes to

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Speaker 2: food that when I'm struggling with a hard day or whatnot, Man,

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Speaker 2: I would just love to binge some sushi right now, right.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's interesting is I actually know that to

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Speaker 2: be the case in some ways because I had I

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Speaker 2: said in my first book that I have to be

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Speaker 2: careful that I don't just go gorge myself at the

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Speaker 2: Chinese buffet when I'm having a stressful day, and I've

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Speaker 2: trained myself not to do that. I can't tell you

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Speaker 2: the last time I've been to one, because I know

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Speaker 2: there was a time a few years back that I

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Speaker 2: started going to Panda Express a lot. I did it

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Speaker 2: once and then once led to another time, and like

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Speaker 2: before I knew it, I was two to three days

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Speaker 2: at Panda Express for about a month. Uh, that's unhealthy,

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Speaker 2: and that's because that the food was replacing Jesus in

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Speaker 2: my life as a source of comfort. So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Shoot me an email. Go to Christian Alcoholic dot com,

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Speaker 2: thoughts are on this episode. WOULD love to explore it

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Speaker 2: more with you, but I think this is really important.

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Speaker 2: Life audio dot com for some other great podcasts, and

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Speaker 2: go check out Christian Alcoholic dot com. You can pick

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Speaker 2: up my book, and you can also then get the

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Speaker 2: link to my new ministry that I've started based on

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Speaker 2: these conversations called Veritas Recovery. You can go to Christianocollic

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Speaker 2: dot com and it'll redirect you. You'll you go find

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Speaker 2: a link, or you can just go directly to Veritasrecovery

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Speaker 2: dot org. Veritas recovery dot org. Love you all. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you here next week.