WEBVTT - "Trust the Experts" Failed. What Now? 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.360 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.960 American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.360 of our republic. My call is to fight evil and 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.520 to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.919 is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.200 if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:24.480 up purposeful. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.040 College is a scam, everybody. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:27.760 You got to stop sending your kids to college. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:28.880 You should get married. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.160 As young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.280 Go start at turning point you would say, college chapter. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.599 Go start attning point. Yould say high school chapter. Go 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.839 find out how your church can get involved. Sign up 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:38.880 and become an activist. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:39.479 I gave my. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.280 Life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.519 I ever made in my life, and I encourage you 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:45.080 to do the same. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.080 Here I am Lord, Use me. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:57.400 Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.400 is proudly sponsored by Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.480 experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.000 my family, friends and viewers. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.240 All Right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm very 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.680 excited about this next guest. I think he's one of 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:21.200 the most impressive and important thinkers political commentators of our 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:26.119 current moment, and not enough people in my opinion. I've 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.800 told him this know about his thinking, his thought work, 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.839 his writing, and that is Walter Kern. He's the editor 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.120 at large of County Highway and he's co host of 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.319 a This America Week. I think that's what it is. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.720 America this Week, that's what I got. It's going to 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.440 make a little more sense. Yeah, America this Week with 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.040 Matt Taybe, who's a great journalist in his own right, 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.720 very accomplished. Walter. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.680 I'm glad to be here. I'm really sorry that I 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.240 postponed my last invitation while Charlie was around. It was 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:06.360 the first Incas and I just wasn't sufficiently prophetic to 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.679 know how short time was, and I thought I could 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.720 do it later. And this is the visit that I'm 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.160 doing later. And it's a sad one for me because 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.120 I would have so wished to have talked to him. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.960 Yeah, I know. And you and I actually got to 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.000 meet backstage at the Megan Kelly event here in Glendale, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.239 and I got to tell you I got to fanboy 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.360 a little bit. I do that rarely, very rarely. But 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.880 you know, I Blake understands this because we we we 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.320 make content and there's only so much content you can consume. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.560 When you're making content as well, You've got you know 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.919 you it's true. But America this week, which is funny 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:45.480 that I got the name wrong. I listened to that 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.120 often with you and Matt because I think you guys 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:52.120 have a way of breaking down the news that's swirling, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.720 the big stories of the day, and so I wanted 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.960 to have you on the show because I think, like 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.919 I said in the intro here, you are an important thinker, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:08.240 You're an important I think distiller of these larger stories, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.440 and you make them make sense and you bring out 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.400 the most important through line, right, So what do you 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.040 really need to pay attention to? So this is we're 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.239 going to have you on the entire hour here, Walter, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.040 and we just want to we want to make sense 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.840 of what happened in twenty twenty five, maybe go back 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.399 to twenty twenty four and back further, but we want 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.440 to also look forward to twenty twenty six and in 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.880 this new year that we've just embarked on a year 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.680 that I'm grateful that we have. And so I haven't 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.120 been so grateful for the passing of a year into 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:39.840 the next as I have this when I will tell 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.800 you that much. But so let's start at the big question. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.080 Help us make sense of our current moment. If you 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.000 had to distill all of these disparate pieces, Somali fraud 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.720 and Democrats are now pro maduro, and you know you've 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.000 got cultural elements weaving throughout. What are you observing? What 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.440 are you thinking about right now? Walter Kern, Well, let. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.200 Me, just for those who don't know me, introduce my 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:10.480 point of view and my reasons for having it. I'm 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.600 chiefly a novelist, and I was a literary critic and 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.320 a kind of columnist for all kinds of magazines, from 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:21.279 Time to the New Republic, Harper's Magazine, fairly liberal magazines. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.560 And I see us as living inside a story. There's 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.160 a big story that goes back thousands of years, and 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.680 there's a smaller story that goes back, you know, just 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.279 years and then weeks and then days. And what I 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:43.680 try to do is examine what's going on in terms 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.400 of narrative, but not in the sense of pushing a narrative, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.000 as we you know, often see the mainstream media doing 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.880 trying to get us to pick a preferred version of reality, 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.320 but in terms of a real drama, a drama that 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.760 involves the big things our lives, our freedom, our history 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.200 as a culture, and the big events that affect it. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:12.000 So if I were to take this moment in time 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.600 January twenty twenty six and tell you where we are 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.839 in the current story as I see it, I would 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:25.520 say we're at a first act break in which we 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.479 suddenly look around and realize that not only were we 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.080 right to distrust certain kinds of authority, you know, in 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.360 the media and in government, you know, particularly I think 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.960 under Biden, when we weren't even treated to the facts 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.440 about his you know, health situation and mental condition. But 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:51.560 due to this Somali fraud, which I think is just 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:56.559 an aperture into a bigger story, we're suddenly realizing that 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:02.359 we've been in the middle of a daylight theft, a 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.000 theft of our resources, of our money, of our attention, 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:12.880 of our ability to interpret things. Suddenly a new filter 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.800 is dropping, and we're seeing that politics is not just 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:23.720 about ideology, but it's about resources, and what I think 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.520 is the ongoing cover up of a great diversion of 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.560 our resources. So as Americans suddenly think about themselves, you know, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.360 paying the bills, paying their taxes, raising their families, in 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.400 light of what seems to have been an almost full 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.600 scale across the board. You know, we have the Minnesota 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.600 example as a microcosm, but the macrocosmic example extends, you know, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.719 to the federal government and to many many states. We 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:55.800 ask ourselves, are we in a society anymore that we 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:02.400 can go on supporting? Just as the revolutionary colonists wondered 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.000 if they could survive under the British we're starting to 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.960 realize that we may be in a situation which the 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.800 very legitimacy of our government, you know, and it's promises 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.320 to protect us, to use our resources wisely to provide 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.080 for the common welfare such as we believe it's necessary, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.800 are all empty, and in fact we've been in the 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.200 middle of a con job. It's like it's I knew 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.800 a big con man in my life, a guy who 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.200 called himself Clark Rockefeller and who was a friend of 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.200 mine for years, turned out not to be a Rockefeller, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.640 turned out in fact to be a murderer. And I 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.520 remember the week after he was exposed in the news 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.480 as a German immigrant who you know, had a whole 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.120 other name and a whole other history than I had 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.840 known him to have for ten years. I suddenly felt 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.320 like I was floating in space. I was like, I 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.520 don't know the guy's real name. All the stories he 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.760 told me seemed to have been a cover up for 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.600 a life of crime. I don't know his motives. I 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.000 don't know if I'm in danger when I'm around him, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.000 because he was exposed as a suspect in a double murder, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.520 a grizzly double murder, many years before. And I went 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.640 to the bank that day and I thought, I'm giving 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.600 the bank my money, but I don't know where it 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.960 goes after I hand it over. I was giving a 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.320 key to a contractor who had to work on my house, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:27.920 and I said, but what if he is part of 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.480 a burglary ring? And suddenly everything that I all the 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:38.360 bonds of trust and all the expectations of reciprocity that 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.319 go into daily living were broken. And I think we're 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.679 in that as Americans. We suddenly looked around and realized 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.120 we're on a spacewalk when we thought we were secure 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.320 inside a spaceship. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:55.160 Hmmm, yeah, I really relate to that actually, because you know, 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.199 given what we're going through with, you know, the trial 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.439 for Charlie's assassin coming up, and you know, all these 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.640 conspiracy theories swirling. It's it's sort of it suddenly occurred 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.440 to me that, you know, listen, we went from don't 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.880 trust the experts to never question the non experts. You know. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.400 It's like, but that's what you're talking about. It's like 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.199 the legitimacy of the system when it becomes in question 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.960 in such a massive way, especially following COVID and some 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.360 of the revelations that we that we learned in that 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.880 in the wake of that, it's it feels like there's 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.840 no solid ground to place your feet. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.000 Imagining a drama in which you find out your wife 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.080 is cheating on you, but then you find a letter 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.520 and find out she's cheating you with your best friend, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.560 oh not only your best friend, three of your best friends, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.360 and you look around and you think, can I trust anything? 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.600 How do I go forward? Where to what do I 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.120 cling now in order to have solidity? 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Now, it's your term to help protect yours. 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.800 Yeah so, but yeah, how did we get here to 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.640 this moment then, Walter, how did we get to a 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.000 point where we can't trust the ground under our feet? 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.679 Well? I think it's Act one because the Trump presidency 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.719 and the re election of Donald Trump provided a kind 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.920 of refresh to the whole cycle. You know, that was 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.360 a point at which people who had anticipated and worked 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.319 hard to bring about a result on the behalf of 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:32.400 Donald Trump's election succeeded and sat down for a minute, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.320 reflected on their expectations and the promises that they felt 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.880 they'd been made, and started over. And that first year 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:45.400 of Trump is a pretty natural, a pretty natural time 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.440 span to review. When it came in exactly almost a 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:55.760 year ago, I think people were expecting justice. They wanted 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:03.480 an immediate kind of redempt and even revenge for the sins. 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:09.400 Of COVID, for the deep state hoaxes coup against him 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:14.199 that had been going on for years, and for the 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.000 deceptions that had come from the opposite party and from 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.440 our own government in an attempt to unseat him. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.920 From the legal cases that were flimsy, to the charges 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.160 about Russia and so on. So everybody got in their 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.600 seat and they prepared for a gunfight at the Okay 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.959 Corral and it didn't happen, And there was a lot 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:41.520 of instant dissatisfaction, a lot of it fomented and aggravated 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.680 by his enemies who want to create dissatisfaction in his followers. Look, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.560 he's not doing anything. Nothing will happen. He's not what 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.920 he promised. He's not the gunslinger, he's not the agent 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:57.400 of justice. He's just another politician. Well, I think that's 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:03.880 just changed because both the revelations of this fraud which came, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.800 which are really an extension of the Dose revelations but 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:13.480 with much more vividness, have suddenly come a spate of 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.400 actions on his part, whether it's this Maduro raid, whether 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.240 it's uh what we're seeing right now in Minnesota, which 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:26.640 is a two thousand agent uh descent of federal force 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.240 on what appears to be a criminal racket of almost 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:39.000 unimaginable riches and and financial dimensions. And so this is 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.480 the year of action. So combined with that sense of 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.560 you know, floating and displacement that I described before, we're 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.199 also getting a feeling, oh wow, we just shifted gears 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.480 and the thing that we uh, maybe some longed for 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.200 and felt frustrated that they hadn't gotten immediately. Is now 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:03.880 going to come very swiat And uh, whether or not 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:11.199 it's too late, whether or not it's you know, people 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.200 have gotten too cynical to even believe justice as possible. 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.560 I don't know, but it's an action time and he's 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.880 trolygraphing it all across the board. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.400 I guess it's interesting me. As Andrew pointed out, you've 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.200 been around a little longer than us, I. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.240 Do think if you want a reason for apta. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.400 Yeah, if you want to reason for optimism, you can 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.560 look at in the late seventies, America was in malaise, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.440 as Carter called it. Even in the nineties, you get 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.720 you know, Chuck Palinax is writing these novels about how 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.160 everything's fake and terrible. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.240 In the nineties everything's awful. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.520 And of course, uh, maybe I'm only going off the 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.160 movie here, but I know one of your books, Up 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.040 in the Air is about a lot of the Onwei from. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.520 You know, since the corporate world is getting detached from 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.960 human values and such, so is there anything to be said? 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.920 This might just be a constant. Are things true worse now? 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.440 Or maybe are we just psychologically worse because of the Internet. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.120 For example, Worse isn't a word I like to use, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:14.200 because the framing around better and worse is always changing. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.720 You can look at it in the short term, the 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:21.360 long term, and so on. I think that things are 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.920 actually starting to become hopeful because we've started to reach 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.840 the roots of some of the problems that before we 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.920 were confused, baffled and depressed by. I think people are 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:40.160 starting to feel a sense of agency and comprehension about 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.040 how these bad systems work and what might disrupt them. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.480 And I think they are moving out of a period 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:56.320 of cynicism about bread by their I think, over exaggerated 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.800 expectations of action into a sense that maybe it's possible 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.840 for the bad guys to be defeated. We now know 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.600 who they are, we know how their formulas work, we 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.480 know how their crimes are set up, we know the 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.320 scale of them, which I think is shocking people. And 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.040 it's not Elon Musk anymore as it was last spring, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.200 and sort of putting himself out front. Is people like 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:28.240 Nick Shirley and uh, you know the commoners who are 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.600 suddenly picking up the pitchforks. But they're picking up the 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.720 pitchforks in a pretty constructive way. You know, they're they're 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.920 they're not baying for revenge, they're not rioting, They're not 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.840 you know, just foaming at the mouth. They know where 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.360 to look, and they're finding the evidence. They're gathering it, 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:51.760 they're sharing it, and they are i think, preparing themselves 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.840 for action. And they're and they're also persuading their neighbors 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.280 and friends. I think, you know that all of this 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.440 new critical information dropped over the holidays was a great 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:09.239 opportunity for people to share it and discuss it and 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.679 meditate on it. So just as January is when the 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.600 New Year's resolutions kick in, I think this is kind 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:23.640 of harmonically timed for people who want to kick into gear. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.760 Yeah, and you know, it's I have so many thoughts, Walter, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.920 you know it, I agree with you. You know, we had 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.719 Jonathan Kieperman on just before the New Year, and one 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.959 of the things that he was saying is similar in 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.359 tone to what you're saying. He was saying, you know, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.400 the ship is pointed in the right direction for probably 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.960 the first time in living memory, you know, and it's 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.760 hard to communicate that to a base that is not 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.800 going to be satisfied until you know, Fauci is strung 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.800 up by his entrails in the public square, right, So 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.000 you've got these exactly. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.720 Over always have to remind people because we secured the 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.960 border overnight. That's such an unthinkably huge win that seemed 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.560 impossible five years. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.320 Ago, one thousand percent. And uh, you know, and yeah, 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.719 there's other there's other monsters to slay here. But you know, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.880 you talk about the sense of agency, and you talk 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.240 about this new footing that we found in Trump and 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.199 I couldn't help think about Charlie's reaction on election night, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.320 and I know what that was. I don't know if 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.440 you've ever seen the clip, I have it ready to play. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:21.000 I haven't. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.280 It's it's a beautiful clip, and we were all here. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.680 What was happening in that moment was Charlie wouldn't let 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.280 himself believe that it was possible until it was done, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.320 because he knew that he was He needed he needed 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:41.920 to keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, because the the agency 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.040 that we had been robbed of in twenty twenty in 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.959 twenty twenty two, it was we were almost had PTSD 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.560 from it. And you could see this wiping away from 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.280 him in the moment, and I think that's why it 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.560 went so viral. Play cut two twenty three for Walter 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:57.000 Fox News. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.920 Besides, Donald Trump is resident of the United States. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.320 We've got our republic. 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:07.320 Let's go. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.200 Everybody should remember this moment. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.080 echo Charlie from earlier. Remember where you were when this happened. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.240 Remember where you were when you realized that the UNI 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.480 Party and all these you know, just the establishment. You said, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.440 it's time to actually participate. And look what you guys 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:31.800 have done. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.760 And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:36.679 it's Charlie. 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:38.240 I think we all agree that. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.960 Something has worked harder than Charlie. 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.280 We gotta we gotta hear some words here from you. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:45.880 Charlie. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.119 You put all this together, my man, Let's hear it. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:49.360 I am just humbled by. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:59.760 It's all got, It's all got, got along, got this 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:00.400 is desk? 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:00.720 Has it? 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.640 Pennsylvania the beginning. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.480 That's a great clip, boys, so checked up watching it. Yeah, 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.840 that's I just remember feeling like I couldn't believe it 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:16.800 until it was true either. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.440 And let me tell you where I was on election night. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.600 I was here in Livingston, Montana, where I live, and 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.280 I was at the Elks Club in downtown Livingston, population 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:33.320 seven thousand. My magazine Slash newspaper, the one I help 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.960 edit County Highway, which is an only in print paper, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.760 had announced on x that we were having a party 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.639 at the Livingston Elks Club for election night. It was 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.320 not a partisan party. Any of our subscribers were welcome, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.600 and so were people from town. Anybody who wanted to 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.640 come was welcome. It was not going to be a 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.200 Donald Trump celebration or Joe Biden's celebration. It was simply 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.919 going to be a party for whoever showed up. Well, 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.280 hundreds of people showed up. All we did was announced 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.600 the invitation. They came from Europe, they came from all 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:13.680 over the country. They were not all uniformly pro Trump 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.480 by any means, By any means at all. We turned 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.560 on the we turned on the news at about five. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.320 There were three TVs in the Elks Club, and then 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.800 we started talking with each other and people started meeting 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.159 for the first time and talking about how they got 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.919 into the Livingston Montana which is, yeah, you know, a 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.639 popular place to vacation, but it's also an obscure spot. Well, 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.800 hours went by in which people were more interested in 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.000 talking to each other than they were looking at the news. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.439 And I finally, you know, tip my head back up 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.760 at the screen and I see Trump as one and 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.400 I flashed back to twenty twenty one. I was alone 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:56.280 in a cabin and I tweeted this. It was called Twitter. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:00.000 Then when there was that pause in the vote county, 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.679 I said, uh, oh, everybody's now assessing. And by that 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.680 I'm at democratic power structure is assessing what they need 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.320 and how they're going to go get it. And then 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.400 you know, we waited for a couple of hours. I'm 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.760 on mountain time, and suddenly everything reversed, all the trends reversed. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:22.200 That's where the PTSD came from. Well in twenty twenty four, 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.040 when I looked up and it seemed, you know, Trump 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.119 had won, I thought, this isn't Trump winning. This is 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.679 for all the closed churches, This is for all the 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.960 closed businesses. This is for all the families that were 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:39.040 set at each other's throats over minor things like masking 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.640 and so on. This is for Russia Gate, which undermined 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:47.320 the entire journalist structure of America, and enrolled them in 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.560 a major lie as far as I'm concerned, which they 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.320 at a certain point knew. This is for everybody who 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.280 pretended they didn't realize we were being led by a zombie. 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.040 It wasn't a win for Donald Trump. Charlie says, it 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.119 was God that I think might be truer in this 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.040 case than it is in many cases. I don't like 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:08.080 to somehow think that God moves all politics. It's kind 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.399 of sometimes a low affair. But in this case, it 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:18.800 seemed like there was an opportunity to start climbing again, 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.960 stop falling down the stairs, stop taking the blows, stop 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:28.760 taking the whipping. And I felt in that room, even 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.000 though there were a lot of people who weren't supporting Trump, 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:36.160 a sense of refreshment. And I think getting ready for 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.800 year two was what year one was all about. Even 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.040 a fighter jet ney's a runway to take off. It 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.160 can't just you know, there are some that can lift 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.280