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Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro

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Speaker 2: College is a scam, everybody.

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Speaker 1: You got to stop sending your kids to college.

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Speaker 2: You should get married.

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Speaker 1: As young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

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Speaker 2: I gave my.

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Speaker 1: Life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision

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Speaker 2: Here I am Lord, Use me.

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Speaker 1: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited about this next guest. I think he's one of

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Speaker 2: told him this know about his thinking, his thought work,

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Speaker 2: his writing, and that is Walter Kern. He's the editor

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Speaker 2: at large of County Highway and he's co host of

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Speaker 2: a This America Week. I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: America this Week, that's what I got. It's going to

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Speaker 2: make a little more sense. Yeah, America this Week with

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Speaker 2: Matt Taybe, who's a great journalist in his own right,

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Speaker 2: very accomplished. Walter. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. I'm really sorry that I

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Speaker 3: I would have so wished to have talked to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. And you and I actually got to

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Speaker 2: When you're making content as well, You've got you know

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Speaker 3: Imagining a drama in which you find out your wife

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Speaker 2: Yeah so, but yeah, how did we get here to

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Speaker 1: We've got our republic.

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Speaker 6: Everybody should remember this moment. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: You put all this together, my man, Let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: had been suppressed, somebody who had been marginalized, and was

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Speaker 3: going to represent real change. My conversations with him over

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Speaker 3: he got there, he suddenly realized that running a gigantic

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Speaker 3: bureaucracy and being an honest person are a difficult pairing

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Speaker 3: in this world, and especially in Washington. Getting getting people

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Speaker 3: to explain to you how the workflow worked, getting people to,

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Speaker 3: you know, not only say yes to an order, but

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Speaker 3: bringing real, outsider, honest energy to a situation which had

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden. Well, he's not delivering his promises

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Speaker 2: All right, So, Walter, you know, it occurs to me

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Speaker 2: that so much of what we're talking around here is

476
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Speaker 2: either a byproduct or a relative close cousin to this

477
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Speaker 2: media industrial complex that was blown up at the advent

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Speaker 2: of the Internet, and then it's been sort of this

479
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Speaker 2: slow death march, you know, cable cutters, things, you know,

480
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: we've been moving more digitally. That's created a massive opportunity

481
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Speaker 2: for shows like this, creators like Charlie. Now myself and

482
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Speaker 2: Blake are now public figures. So it's but but it's

483
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Speaker 2: also created a conundrum for truth, for veracity. How do

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Speaker 2: you verify things now we've got Ai. Blake was just

485
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Speaker 2: telling me he couldn't verify whether it was.

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Speaker 5: Crazy that story that you almost certainly heard where they

487
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Speaker 5: blew up Chavez's mausoleum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who goes shout.

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Speaker 5: I can't I literally can't figure out if it's true

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Speaker 5: or not because people are posting photos and other people

491
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Speaker 5: are saying that is an AI fake photo, and I

492
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Speaker 5: haven't been able to look in deep enough and it

493
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Speaker 5: either could be true.

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Speaker 2: So so what do we do in this landscape?

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Speaker 5: There was another one someone posted a thread that was like,

496
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Speaker 5: I work at uber eats and they're scamming everyone and

497
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Speaker 5: like all their stuff, Like they're doing all this scummy

498
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Speaker 5: stuff like special expedited delivery stuff that's all fake. It's

499
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Speaker 5: just done to get more money out of you. And

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Speaker 5: he had all this evidence and he sent it to

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Speaker 5: a journalist and that was all AI fabrications. It was

502
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Speaker 5: like an AI done hit job against a food delivery company.

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Speaker 2: Well, all of these examples underscore the question I'm asking,

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Speaker 2: and I haven't really distilled it in a very good

505
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Speaker 2: good question yet, But will do you strike me as

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Speaker 2: a guy who is, you know, very concerned with what

507
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Speaker 2: is the ultimate truth? What is the deepest truth? What

508
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Speaker 2: do we do when you have a population of three

509
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million people, not to mention the global

510
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Speaker 2: population all trying to suss through these different, you know,

511
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Speaker 2: disparate information streams. How do you get everybody on the

512
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Speaker 2: same page? How do you how do you get truth

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Speaker 2: across What do we do in this in this landscape?

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Speaker 3: You don't try to get everyone on the same page.

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Speaker 3: That was an illusion in a grandiose, mythological white whale

516
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Speaker 3: that was pursued in the age of television and mass media.

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Speaker 3: It's no longer possible, and I don't think it's any

518
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Speaker 3: longer desirable. One of the virtues of people not knowing

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Speaker 3: what's real beyond the horizon is that they start concentrating

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Speaker 3: on what's within their horizon. We have spent far too

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Speaker 3: long in the United States knowing what's going on in

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Speaker 3: New York, knowing what's going on in Los Angeles, knowing

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Speaker 3: what's going on in Washington, and not knowing what's going

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Speaker 3: on across the street. The difficulty of painting truth about

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Speaker 3: what's going on around the world would cause us, I think,

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Speaker 3: to slightly give up on it. Because there is a family,

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Speaker 3: a house, a street, a town, a neighborhood, a church,

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Speaker 3: a group of friends that needs your attention. I promise

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Speaker 3: you those were the things that they tried to break

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Speaker 3: up during COVID, when the power is that be tried

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Speaker 3: to leverage that pandemic into permanent rule for themselves. They

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Speaker 3: knew that their first strike had to be at your church,

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Speaker 3: at your hardware store, at your grocery store, at your family,

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Speaker 3: at your dinner table. Well, those are the things you

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Speaker 3: have to reclaim first. You know. I have a friend

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Speaker 3: who's very into solar magnetic storms and sort of doom

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Speaker 3: and apocalypse around, you know, big earth changes and so on.

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Speaker 3: And I thought to myself one night he'd warned me

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Speaker 3: that there was a big objection of plasma from the

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Speaker 3: sun and all the lights might go out. And I said, well,

541
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Speaker 3: if the lights go out, where do I start? What

542
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Speaker 3: do I do next? I figure out who I can trust,

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Speaker 3: I figure out what I have to trade. I figure out,

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Speaker 3: you know, what I can defend and who I'm going

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Speaker 3: to defend. And all those questions that would come in

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Speaker 3: the wake of a disaster are ones that we need

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Speaker 3: to be asking right now, because the disaster is this,

548
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Speaker 3: as you say, melting of reality and starting on first

549
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Speaker 3: principles and starting at home and starting with the world

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Speaker 3: you can look around and see with your own eyes

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Speaker 3: is the solution. And then those pods, as it were,

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Speaker 3: those cells, just like the body, The body isn't made

553
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Speaker 3: of some big giant piece of you know, chicken nugget,

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Speaker 3: it's got cells in it, little active, isolated engines that

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Speaker 3: link up and work together. And at the cellular level,

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Speaker 3: we have to I think, renew our uh you know,

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Speaker 3: renew our contracts if we're going to have a bigger

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Speaker 3: social contract. And this vain thought that everybody is going

559
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Speaker 3: to be guided by some obelisk that beams truth down

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Speaker 3: from the central authorities is does not serve us. Well,

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Speaker 3: it causes it to ignore our own garden.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, I love, I love what you're saying. I

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Speaker 2: mean we've been, you know, saying for a long time

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Speaker 2: politics starts local, and you're kind of broadening that conversation

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Speaker 2: to sort of say, look, we.

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Speaker 5: Just got an email today someone who said they were

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Speaker 5: inspired to get involved in Maricopa County politics.

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Speaker 2: Great, Charlie, Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean that is that

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Speaker 2: is where it starts, you know, Walter. I mean, I gosh,

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Speaker 2: my problem with you, Walter is I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about too many things and there's just not enough time.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll come back.

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Speaker 2: I'm still bound by the clock here. I would be

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Speaker 2: remiss if I didn't give you an opportunity to talk

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Speaker 2: about what Charlie's assassination meant for our country. And you know,

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Speaker 2: as I'm hearing you talk earlier, you mentioned Nick Shirley

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Speaker 2: and this sort of new wave that is slowly kind

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Speaker 2: of forming. You've got Dan Bongino that's coming back, and

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Speaker 2: he's you know, he's saying he's going to wage war

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Speaker 2: on certain you know, influences within maybe the conservative movement

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Speaker 2: and beyond. I just think it's interesting. I believed, in

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Speaker 2: my whole heart, especially after we got past the memorial,

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Speaker 2: that there was going to be this sifting of movement.

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Speaker 2: There was going to be this like this changing of

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Speaker 2: the guard, sort of a new out of necessity, this

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Speaker 2: newness that was going to be created out of the

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Speaker 2: chaos and the loss. And I just so, without feeding

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Speaker 2: you answers, I want to hear what you have to say.

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Speaker 2: But I believe that there is something that we are observing.

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Speaker 2: It it will not become clear to us until some

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Speaker 2: time now. But what what did losing Charlie? What did

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Speaker 2: you observe? What did it mean? And where are we

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Speaker 2: going next?

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Speaker 3: Well, to be very cold about it and systematic, as

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Speaker 3: though I don't have a heart. A power vacuum develops

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Speaker 3: when someone of Charlie's magnitude and competence and gifts is lost,

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Speaker 3: and in that power vacuum, all sorts of opportunistic creatures

598
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Speaker 3: come rushing in and they live by the law of

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Speaker 3: the jungle. How much space that has been left vacant

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Speaker 3: can I occupy? How securely can I occupy it? How

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Speaker 3: can I find off competitors? And that was a frankly

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Speaker 3: ugly process to watch, and I guess it still goes

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Speaker 3: on to some extent, But in another way, it's a

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Speaker 3: tribute to how big a space he occupied that it was,

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Speaker 3: that it left so much vacant for so many sort

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Speaker 3: of competitive Darwinian struggles over power and attention. But I

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Speaker 3: think the real meaning of the thing is the meaning

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Speaker 3: of the moment after that I felt and others felt,

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Speaker 3: which was someone has just given in what it was

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Speaker 3: not understood as a war but suddenly looks like one

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Speaker 3: because of the combatant falling given everything. And he's given

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Speaker 3: everything in the purest way. He you know, he wasn't

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Speaker 3: a man behind us a plexiglass. He was someone openly

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Speaker 3: sitting with a square stance before a crowd of his

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Speaker 3: fellow Americans, taking all comers, listening and speaking back. He

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Speaker 3: was the avatar of openness he and that that openness

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Speaker 3: was rewarded with destruction. Was I think a shock that

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Speaker 3: showed us how far we'd gone, how far we'd fallen.

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Speaker 3: You know, when when when truly uh, you know, when

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Speaker 3: demagogues and people who are you know, have armies behind

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Speaker 3: them and so on, are assassinated, well, you know that

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Speaker 3: they kind of lived by the sword. But to live,

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Speaker 3: but to live by the word and die by the

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Speaker 3: sword is a whole other thing. And to watch someone

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Speaker 3: who lived by the word die by the sword was

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Speaker 3: a terrible moment, and it affected me deeply. I'll be

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Speaker 3: honest with you. I'm a little old for you know,

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Speaker 3: campus activism and and a lot of the other things

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Speaker 3: that try well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but you know I was.

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Speaker 3: I was. I was aware with him, aware of him

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Speaker 3: in my peripheral vision, and suddenly when he moved to

633
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Speaker 3: the center of my vision in this terrible way, terrible way,

634
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Speaker 3: I saw the best and worst of America in one

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Speaker 3: lightning flash. I saw someone who still believed that freedom

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Speaker 3: of speech, a sort of candor about your spiritual and

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Speaker 3: religious beliefs in dialogue with people who maybe flat out

638
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Speaker 3: opposed them can still lead to a happy ending that

639
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Speaker 3: faith lives on. It was liberated from his body, but

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Speaker 3: it spread everywhere, and I think it's starting to reassemble

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Speaker 3: itself after a period of darkness. I mean, everybody was traumatized,

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Speaker 3: whether they know it or not. And some people aren't

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Speaker 3: their best under trauma. You know, they become very selfish

644
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Speaker 3: or even kind of evil. But there is a waking

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Speaker 3: up to the fact that this was a good force.

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Speaker 3: It was almost too good for the world. It was

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Speaker 3: dispersed by hatred, envy, resentment, jealousy, perhaps, I mean it won't.

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Speaker 5: Think really, I think it is the best thing about

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Speaker 5: this horrible tragedy that I've brought up is Charlie truly

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Speaker 5: was cut down at his absolute peak, and so in

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Speaker 5: a sense, his peak does.

652
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Speaker 2: Live on forever.

653
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: He's always as he was on that campus in throughout

654
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Speaker 5: the year twenty twenty five. He was at his peak

655
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 5: form in terms of argument, he was at his peak

656
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 5: form in terms of how well he lived his life.

657
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 5: He was getting better and better, and there's something very

658
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 5: there's something very powerful about that, and that's a lot

659
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Speaker 5: of the power of martyrs is the way they can

660
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Speaker 5: endure forever. You never have to see that make mistakes

661
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 5: or get old or lose their fastball. They're always in

662
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Speaker 5: that pristine form.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Blake. Blake helped write the eulogy that we published

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Speaker 2: at t posa dot com the day after, and I

665
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Speaker 2: still don't know how you wrote it, Blake. When Charlie died,

666
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 2: I basically I was shell shocked, like the world didn't

667
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: make sense. I remember trying, you know, I was supposed

668
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Speaker 2: to get out a statement, you know, about Charlie. We

669
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: had received word that he had he was gone, you know,

670
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: because there was some confusion about that, and I remember

671
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: trying to write, you know, whatever it was I was

672
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: supposed to write, and President Trump ended up true socially

673
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: that Charlie was dead, and I remember just being so relieved.

674
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Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't put one foot in front of

675
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Speaker 2: the other. It was like, you know, it was like

676
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: that scene out of Saving Private Ryan, where it was

677
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: just you know, it's just everything was moving in slow motion,

678
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: but my body couldn't I couldn't make it function. So

679
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: the fact that Blake in the in the middle of

680
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Speaker 2: that night got the words out. But one of the

681
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Speaker 2: things he said was that, you know, Charlie will will

682
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: never grow old. You know, we'll never see him, you know,

683
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: lose lose any of the grandeur and the glory of

684
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Speaker 2: his youth. And I guess in some ways this far

685
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Speaker 2: removed from it. I feel comforted in some ways that

686
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: I always get to remember him that way, but I

687
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: hate that I have to remember him too. So it's

688
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: a bittersweet feeling. But I know that he's gone and

689
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: there's no bringing him back.

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Speaker 7: This is Lane Schunberger, chief investment Officer and founding partner

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Speaker 7: of wy REFI. It has been an honor and a

692
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Speaker 7: privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to

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Speaker 7: endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and

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Speaker 7: we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point

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Speaker 7: for years to come. Now hear Charlie, in his own words,

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Speaker 7: tell you about why REFI.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I I don't mean to be disputatious

716
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Speaker 3: or niggling, but I don't think he was at his peak.

717
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: I think I agree.

718
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Speaker 2: I actually agree with you on this.

719
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: I think he was just toward his peak. He was

720
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: on an obvious track. He had momentum. He was like

721
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: he was like a mountain climber who can suddenly see

722
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain, the top of everest. They've

723
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: got their pack and you know they're going to get there.

724
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: You know they're going to even get there or beyond

725
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: and suddenly it's over. What that You know that happens

726
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 3: to poets, rock stars, saints and a lot of people

727
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: who die young and yet inspire us to pick up

728
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: their pack and carry it. And I think we're going

729
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Speaker 3: to have to go where he was going.

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Speaker 2: I totally. I mean, a lot of people, you know,

731
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: speculate was Charlie going to be president? Who knows he was.

732
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Speaker 3: The kind of he was the kind of guy what

733
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Speaker 3: I love about him. What I love about him was

734
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: that he seemed like he still had the ability to change,

735
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: He still had the ability to learn and to formulate

736
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: new conclusions. Hey, he might have gotten to age thirty

737
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: five and decided I don't want to be the President

738
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Speaker 3: of the United States. I want to be X or

739
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: I want to you know, write a book or whatever

740
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Speaker 3: it was. I mean, though, he was dedicated to action

741
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: and the turning point I think is most impressive to

742
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: me in terms of getting stuff done. Like turning point,

743
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: people wake up every day and they achieve goals that

744
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: are small in the short term and huge in the

745
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: long term. And we're not a society like that anymore.

746
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: To see anybody be effective anymore, especially in a large

747
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: scale movement, is astonishing, you know, and especially without tons

748
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: of money. But I think that you know, he uh,

749
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Speaker 3: I don't know what my original point was. Actually I

750
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: strayed a bit there, But I don't know how he

751
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: would have ended up. I only know that wherever he

752
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: chose to go, he would have gotten there, and he

753
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: would have gotten there superbly.

754
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Speaker 5: What if he wasn't Weatherding, What if he'd really gone

755
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: for becoming a college football coach?

756
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Speaker 2: That was what you said.

757
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: He always said if he got tired of gave up,

758
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 5: he would just quit and coach college He would.

759
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: He would joke at our chat all the time. He'd

760
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 2: be like, fine, I give up, you know, I quit.

761
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: I retired. He's like, I'm gonna go coach college football at.

762
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 5: Universe where people are like, did you know that that

763
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: college football coach.

764
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Speaker 2: Used to be a political up? Exactly? Walter, You and

765
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: Matt have a great show. I want to make sure

766
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: people know where to find it and how to follow

767
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: you on that stuff. We still have about six minutes here,

768
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: but I really really love your guys's content there, so

769
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: please like, what are you doing with Matt and what

770
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: should people know about what you're up to.

771
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: So Matt Kayubi is a muck raking reporter from the left. Really,

772
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: I think he was at his greatest fame during the

773
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: Occupy Wall Street years, as he basically took on high

774
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 3: finance and showed they had committed crimes all through what

775
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: we now call the financial crisis. But like me, sometime

776
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: around the first year of the Trump resident's first Trump presidency,

777
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: he started to see his colleagues fall for this ridiculous

778
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: and unverifiable story of Trump being a Russian agent, and

779
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: it alienated him from his cohort, as it did me.

780
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: I was probably a little more to the right than

781
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: Matt Taibe or a little more to the center. But

782
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: we both found ourselves after a few years feeling deserted

783
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: by are supposedly principled and supposedly conscientious colleagues, and so

784
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: we came together in a sense of in the sense

785
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: of both being stranded by not getting on the Russigate train.

786
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: And what we try to do on our podcast that's

787
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: a huge sports fan and is give you a sort

788
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: of skybox play by play, a big picture nearration of

789
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: events as though they were a game. Now we realize

790
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: they're not a game, but we try to treat them

791
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 3: as one with a lot of humor, with a lot

792
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: of you know, mischief and kind of pop cultural reference,

793
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: so that the heaviness of things doesn't destroy people. It's

794
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: important to keep a light spirit. And when you talk

795
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 3: about black pilling, absolutely, when you talk about black pilling,

796
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: you're talking about the thing that bothers me most, and

797
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: people who want good things to happen, Despair is a sin,

798
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: and spreading despair is practically the sin that they tell

799
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 3: us is the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit. When

800
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: you try to destroy someone's spirit with pessimism, with cynicism,

801
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: and you know, a little bit of that goes a

802
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: long way. But when you try to give them the

803
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: feeling that nothing you can do, nothing you can say,

804
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: and no one can appeal to will it ever help you?

805
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: It's lost and you're just living out the clock on

806
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: this earth, feeling the pain and feeling the depression, you

807
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: may as well go kill yourself. Well, that for me

808
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: is that for me is the enemy in all respects.

809
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 3: Because as long as you have a lightness, as long

810
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: as you have a flow, as long as you have

811
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: sort of a light on in your heart and in

812
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: your mind there's a chance for change, but that is

813
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: absolute death. And the black pill people who tell you

814
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: know you've been betrayed again, don't expect anything. And they

815
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: think they're being grown up, and they think they're being sophisticated,

816
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: but what they're really doing is sending you to an

817
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: early grave. And what they're really doing is opening the

818
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: way for the true cynics, the psychopaths, the powermongers, to

819
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: own you forever and enslave you. And so what Matt

820
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: and I do is, if anything, an assault on the

821
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: black pillars, you can still laugh no matter how dark

822
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: things get.

823
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Speaker 5: All right, Well, before we go, if you had to

824
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: recommend one of your books to people, good questions who

825
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 5: are watching or listening to this, So what would you say?

826
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Speaker 3: You know, funny, there's a book with a terrible cover

827
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: right there called Mission to America. Look at that terrible cover.

828
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean they did not even have AI as an excuse.

829
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: And it's a story of it's a story of two

830
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: missionaries who grow up in what's basically a cult isolated

831
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: in the mountains of Montana, which hasn't gotten out into

832
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: the world for one hundred years, and it's become so inbred,

833
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: literally genetically inbred, that they're sent out in a van

834
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 3: to try to get female converts in America two thousand

835
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Speaker 3: and five. And they leave their mountain valley having never

836
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: watched television, you know, being as innocent as Martians practically,

837
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: and they hit the road to bring people to their

838
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: beliefs system. And it's a story about faith. It's a

839
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: story about modernity versus you know, the old ways. And

840
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: it's a story about vulnerability, because I mean, the first

841
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: time they sit down in a motel to turn on TV,

842
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: they're there for eighteen hours. You know, they have no

843
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: they have no immunity to it. I try, I try

844
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: to show modern America from the point of view of

845
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 3: people who aren't immune to its seductions, and it's you know,

846
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: it's poisons and so on.

847
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: I love that the way you describe. I've been describing

848
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: things a lot like this lately, about we build up

849
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: this immunity to things. And next time I have you on, Walter,

850
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: I want I feel like since Trump came down those

851
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: golden escalators, we as a country have been building immunities

852
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: to the fake news, to the to the propaganda, to

853
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: PsiOps to color revolutions, to hoaxes. And I would be

854
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: super curious to have a conversation in depth about the

855
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: immunities that we're growing now, because I think when we're

856
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 2: talking about black pillar immunities, we're talking about this vacuum

857
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: of this laws of the jungle, we're sort of building

858
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: immunities to that. I have to believe good will win out.

859
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Truth will win out. But Walter, it's been an absolute pleasure.

860
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Speaker 3: Oh, we know it will in the end. It's it's

861
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: the short term we're working.

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00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: I know exactly the midterms. That's what we're worried about.

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Speaker 3: Walter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to talk to you next time

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Speaker 2: about your conversion to faith, because you you were not

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Speaker 2: you've hinted at it, but I haven't got the details.

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Speaker 2: So well, Walter Kerrn, the Great Walter Kerrn, will have

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Speaker 2: you back again as soon as you'll have us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you, and thank you playing.

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Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news.

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