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Speaker 1: What was the inspiration for creating the character Deadpool?

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Speaker 2: You know, the honest answer is paying the rent, but

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Speaker 3: Rob, how has Jesus changed everything about your life?

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Speaker 4: Well, so here's the deal. How does a Christian make

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Speaker 4: a character about Deadpool? I'm sure you get asked that.

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Speaker 1: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: Well, so I'm going to go back to, have you

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Speaker 2: ever had a moment where you felt pressured to compromise

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Speaker 2: your decision?

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 4: He said to me, I'm a big editor here at Marvel,

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Speaker 4: and I just offered you a great gig. Who do

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Speaker 4: you think you are? And I said, I think I'm

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Speaker 4: the guy that's not going to join the show. In

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Speaker 4: two months, we have Avengers Doomsday.

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Speaker 2: I saw Ryan Reynolds walk by in that outfit.

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Speaker 4: Is he in this new movie? Is it up in

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Speaker 4: two months?

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Speaker 6: Friends, I think they've closed the doors, so let me

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Speaker 6: go ahead and get started.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know me, my name is Sean McDowell.

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Speaker 5: I went here, I teach here full-time, but I also,

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Speaker 5: thank you very much, I also.

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Speaker 1: Collected comics in the 1980s and in the early 1990s.

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Speaker 5: And I had two favorite writers and two favorite artists.

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Speaker 5: One by the name of Tom McFarlane created Venom, iconically

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Speaker 5: drew Spider-Man. Total outspoken atheist. Had a chance to interview him,

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Speaker 5: which was interesting. And Rob Liefeld, who's joining us this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: Three people clapped for me. They are here for you,

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Speaker 5: my man.

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Speaker 4: Which is good.

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Speaker 1: Now, quick back story and we're going to bring him up.

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Speaker 5: Is I was at a church near here, I won't

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Speaker 5: mention it, and discovered a friend who's in a small

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Speaker 5: group goes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm in a group with Rob Liefeld. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 5: Like, the Rob Liefeld? I've got his comments going way back.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, he goes to church here.

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Speaker 4: He's a Christian.

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Speaker 1: It was like two years. I was sending you notes. Finally,

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Speaker 1: your wife, Joy, came up to me. I probably was rude.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Joy, I really want to interview your husband.

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Speaker 1: What do I have to do?

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Speaker 5: I was probably a little over the top. When you

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Speaker 5: came over and we did that interview, that was one

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Speaker 5: of my all-time favorite interviews. My two boys came, got

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Speaker 5: a chance to meet you. We love you, and the

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Speaker 5: back of our mind has always been, like, I would

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Speaker 5: love to get Rob to Biola.

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Speaker 1: Now, in case you're just not familiar.

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Speaker 5: With exactly what he does, Scotty, tell them a little

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Speaker 4: What's up, guys? My name is Scotty McDowell. I am

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Speaker 4: a senior here at Biola.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: So Rob Liefeld broke onto the comic book scene at

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Speaker 7: Marvel in the late 1980s, and by 1990, he was

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Speaker 7: drawing and writing The New Mutants and helping create one

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Speaker 7: Then in 1991, everything exploded. In New Mutants number 98,

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Speaker 7: Rob introduced Deadpool. Just a few issues later, New Mutants

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Speaker 7: became X-Force, and in August of 1991, X-Force number one

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Speaker 7: hit stores and sold over 5 million copies. Then, in 1992,

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Speaker 7: he left Marvel alongside several other legendary creators and helped

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Speaker 7: launch Image Comics, a company built around giving creators something

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Speaker 7: In his first Image book, Youngblood became a massive success

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Speaker 4: And look at the legacy that Image Comics has created.

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Speaker 7: Today, some of their titles include Spawn, The Walking Dead,

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Speaker 7: And countless other iconic titles all came from the company

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Speaker 4: The characters Rob created, Deadpool, Cable and Domino.

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Speaker 7: Shatterstar, and X-Force, have gone beyond the comic book realm

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Speaker 4: And now the most important.

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Speaker 1: Thing about Rob is that he is a follower of Christ.

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Speaker 4: So, Brian, would you join me? Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you right in the middle. So we

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Speaker 8: Thanks, Robin.

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Speaker 4: You guys, thanks for coming to this session. I really

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Speaker 1: Great to see you. Now, we've got some questions for Rob.

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Speaker 5: my dad gave me in whatever, 1990, 91, whenever this

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Speaker 4: I've kept them.

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Speaker 1: Rob signed them.

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Speaker 5: So we're going to give for the best question that

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Speaker 1: So, Rob, let me start with this question. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with the fun one. What was the inspiration for creating

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Speaker 2: You know, the honest answer is paying the rent, but

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Speaker 2: you want a more creative answer. So the book that they,

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Speaker 4: They were a failed title.

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Speaker 2: That's not me spinning it. That's history that Stan Lee

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Speaker 4: On par with Avengers or Fantastic Four or Spider-Man.

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you as a kid, because I

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Speaker 4: It was a rabid obsession with mine. They were at

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Speaker 4: Yes, that sounds as old as it is.

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Speaker 4: Professor Xavier, stop.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Cyclops. I'm going to touch my temple

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Speaker 2: in a book called X-Factor. It was selling very well.

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Speaker 2: And Todd McFarlane, my buddy, would be like, Mark's.

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Speaker 2: And so it was like, everybody was talking, just like

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, the guy who had been doing

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Speaker 4: With guns and swords.

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Speaker 4: Somebody said, Rob, in the letters page of your.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, the first answer

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Speaker 11: Because even now, I've got kids.

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Speaker 4: They're in the workforce. All my kids are in their 20s.

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Speaker 2: My daughter, she's going to nursing school. Get her into

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Speaker 2: That's weird, dude.

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Speaker 7: So, Rob, we're here at Torrey Conference, and the theme

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Speaker 3: That Jesus changes everything. Rob, how has Jesus changed everything

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Speaker 4: Well, so here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: And I say, God, thank you for this day. I

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Speaker 2: kindness man. And everyone like, he just left such an

443
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Speaker 2: imprint on everyone with his kindness.

444
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,300
Speaker 4: Other people at the church were super duper judgy.

445
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 2: But we'd sell weird things like tracks, Christian tracks that

446
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,180
Speaker 2: had people burning in the.

447
00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 4: Lake of fire going, why did you abandon me, God?

448
00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:47,980
Speaker 4: And I'm like a seven-year-old. I'm like, why am I

449
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,970
Speaker 4: reading this? This is like fear-mongering.

450
00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the arts, I, whether it's

451
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,360
Speaker 2: a play, you know, do I, like Shakespeare, or whether

452
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: it's great directors, I'm a matured adult, and I would

453
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 2: not let my children, okay, case in point, you know, little,

454
00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 2: a lady came to me with.

455
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Speaker 4: Her son 10 years ago at a signing in Las Vegas.

456
00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:19,030
Speaker 4: And he's dressed up like that. Cute outfit, cute kid.

457
00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 2: But the mom starts accosting me. Why does that movie

458
00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: have to be R-rated? I'm like, lady, your son is

459
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,140
Speaker 2: dressed up like an assassin who kills people for money.

460
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 4: That's what little Billy's dressed up like right now. Well,

461
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 4: I never. I thought my mom was standing in front

462
00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,970
Speaker 4: of me. Well, I never was a very 1970s person.

463
00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 4: And she stomped off.

464
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 2: I was like, lady, get a grip. The movie wasn't

465
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 2: made for this game. I didn't make the movie. I

466
00:20:51,020 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 2: got paid for the movie. I enjoyed the movie because

467
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,409
Speaker 2: I'm a man. I'm an adult person, okay?

468
00:20:56,550 --> 00:20:59,010
Speaker 4: I'm not a child. I wouldn't show Deadpool to children.

469
00:20:59,810 --> 00:21:01,609
Speaker 4: But I have had people who are like, hey, Rob,

470
00:21:01,890 --> 00:21:02,550
Speaker 4: I showed.

471
00:21:02,290 --> 00:21:04,430
Speaker 1: Deadpool to my five-year-old six times, and I'm like, there's

472
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Speaker 1: something wrong with you.

473
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Speaker 4: I'm not a child.

474
00:21:07,180 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: Okay? I'm going to go to the Old Testament.

475
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Speaker 2: There is stuff in there that I've told you I

476
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: think is distinctly R-rated that when I discovered it, I was.

477
00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:19,230
Speaker 4: Like, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Because that wasn't just

478
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:23,970
Speaker 4: the paintings. I'm like, there's sex in the Old Testament! Wubba, wubba! Okay?

479
00:21:26,030 --> 00:21:30,750
Speaker 2: There is an underground cartoonist There was an underground cartoonist.

480
00:21:31,770 --> 00:21:34,370
Speaker 4: I'm sure you don't know. Underground comics.

481
00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:36,950
Speaker 2: So my sister is seven years older than me. So

482
00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:41,889
Speaker 2: she's way older. And she was doing a tour paper

483
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:45,540
Speaker 2: on underground comics. And I was probably eight years old.

484
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,379
Speaker 4: So that would put her at 16. Or older.

485
00:21:48,780 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: I think it was her senior year.

486
00:21:51,619 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 4: And she had this coffee table book. And I looked

487
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:56,260
Speaker 4: at it. And I'm like, underground comics? What is this?

488
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: And I'm in there like.

489
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: Marvel and DC Comics, well, underground comics were made by

490
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: these avant-garde, the hippie, the hipsters, like my buddy who looks.

491
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:04,570
Speaker 1: Like he's from the 1970s right here.

492
00:22:04,910 --> 00:22:07,850
Speaker 4: I love him. No, I told him earlier, he's rad.

493
00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:09,830
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm back in 1977 if I just

494
00:22:09,850 --> 00:22:12,050
Speaker 2: look at you. I'm reading through my youth, and I

495
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:14,490
Speaker 2: think fashion and all this stuff is cool. I'm super

496
00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:16,090
Speaker 2: boring and super old, and I just draw all day.

497
00:22:16,369 --> 00:22:20,150
Speaker 2: But the thing is, underground comics were very much about

498
00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:24,290
Speaker 2: drugs and sex, and this guy, R. Crumb, Robert Crumb,

499
00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:27,419
Speaker 2: Google him, he was the king of underground comics. Now,

500
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:29,330
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you something. He hit the culture

501
00:22:29,850 --> 00:22:36,179
Speaker 2: hard in, I think, 2006. He's been kind of out

502
00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: of it. He's a super talented artist. He had a

503
00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: very distinct style.

504
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:40,780
Speaker 4: Really talented.

505
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: He announced to everyone that he's putting out a hardcover

506
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,980
Speaker 2: book that he drew the entire book of Genesis. Whether

507
00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:50,790
Speaker 2: it was the New York Times, CBS News, LA Times,

508
00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:53,730
Speaker 2: I watched everything because I was obsessed with it. R. Crumb,

509
00:22:53,770 --> 00:22:58,270
Speaker 2: the king of underground, druggy, sex comics, decided to draw

510
00:22:58,290 --> 00:23:01,110
Speaker 2: the Bible. And he said, I am not of the faith,

511
00:23:01,550 --> 00:23:03,820
Speaker 2: and this did not change me, but I wanted to

512
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: draw word for word, line for line, everything.

513
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,860
Speaker 4: That is depicted. This book, as you imagine, has got

514
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: some raw images in it. Because like I said, there's

515
00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:16,470
Speaker 4: some stuff in the Bible that's R, maybe X, right? Okay,

516
00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:20,590
Speaker 4: hand it to the kids. And so reconcile that first,

517
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:22,070
Speaker 4: and then get back to me. But here's the deal.

518
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:25,130
Speaker 4: Because you're going to be like, but Rob, that's ordained. Yeah,

519
00:23:25,150 --> 00:23:29,830
Speaker 4: but there's certain maturity is, I think, what I would

520
00:23:29,869 --> 00:23:30,190
Speaker 4: get to.

521
00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:32,490
Speaker 2: And I don't believe God judges me when I go

522
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:35,770
Speaker 2: see Terminator 2 or Predator or Basic Instinct. I don't

523
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:40,350
Speaker 2: think he's like, oh, Robbie Liefeld, I'm going to shove.

524
00:23:39,810 --> 00:23:41,970
Speaker 4: A lightning bolt up his... No.

525
00:23:42,010 --> 00:23:44,780
Speaker 2: Because I walk out and I'm inspired as an artist.

526
00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: And I just believe when we get to the arts,

527
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: we're in a different place. So I have a son

528
00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:52,659
Speaker 2: who was on a show and he was a werewolf.

529
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,860
Speaker 4: Do I believe in werewolves? I do not believe in werewolves.

530
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,340
Speaker 2: And I think maybe they're slightly on the other side

531
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:00,620
Speaker 2: of things.

532
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,179
Speaker 4: But it's a part, it's a role. He was given it.

533
00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:06,460
Speaker 4: He's read for serial killers. Okay?

534
00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: It's called, like, at some point we can stop, but

535
00:24:09,780 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, what I do, I'm

536
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: doing to glorify God. But I may tell a story

537
00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: that's uncomfortable, but it's what I want to tell with

538
00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: my artistic talents.

539
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,010
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, am I.

540
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: There's a guy that we know, and I told you,

541
00:24:22,619 --> 00:24:24,660
Speaker 2: I felt like your light bulb went on in your head.

542
00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:25,210
Speaker 4: I love you, man.

543
00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:28,090
Speaker 2: But I was like, this guy does a comic book

544
00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:34,450
Speaker 2: about the devil. And it almost seeks to glorify the devil.

545
00:24:34,670 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: And I will call that man my friend until the

546
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:40,459
Speaker 2: day I die. But we have different end games with

547
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: what we're trying to do.

548
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Speaker 4: I will give the Lord all the glory for what

549
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: I do and be.

550
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,219
Speaker 2: Excited about that I was able to tell those stories,

551
00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:52,580
Speaker 2: but there's, you know, I gotta be honest, I don't

552
00:24:52,619 --> 00:24:54,420
Speaker 2: sit there and go, oh man, I've really gone over

553
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: the line with something, because then I look and I go,

554
00:24:58,820 --> 00:25:00,869
Speaker 2: you know, I let everybody know who gave me the

555
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,710
Speaker 2: talent to do it, and some of you have athletic talent, some.

556
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:06,890
Speaker 4: Of you have talent in terms.

557
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:11,310
Speaker 2: Of writing, some of you have like super scientific brain talent, again,

558
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:13,730
Speaker 2: I got given an artistic talent, I understood that it

559
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:16,609
Speaker 2: was God given, and I The way I came about

560
00:25:16,650 --> 00:25:18,290
Speaker 2: it was me and my friends all went back from

561
00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:20,389
Speaker 2: Star Wars, and we wanted to draw the characters. There

562
00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:22,950
Speaker 2: is no internet. There is no way to access those images.

563
00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:25,450
Speaker 2: We had to do it from memory. Maybe a magazine

564
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:29,100
Speaker 2: had a couple, but we all drew Chewbacca. But mine

565
00:25:29,140 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: was the only one that looked like Chewbacca. I'm like,

566
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,140
Speaker 2: is that a mop? What is that?

567
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 4: What is that? Oh, and they're like, wow, you draw.

568
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, maybe I have a gift.

569
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: Maybe I can draw.

570
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: But the arts is a weird thing, and I don't

571
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:45,110
Speaker 2: think there's any one thing I think, what is your

572
00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:45,810
Speaker 2: heart going.

573
00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:47,550
Speaker 4: Into that art, and what is your heart going out

574
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:47,690
Speaker 4: of it?

575
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:50,990
Speaker 2: Because like I said, I could take on, you know,

576
00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:53,730
Speaker 2: let's say a member of my family, my wife was

577
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:57,109
Speaker 2: an actress too, and there was only one role, she said,

578
00:25:57,130 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: I didn't really want to play this, and so she

579
00:25:58,859 --> 00:26:01,260
Speaker 2: and her sisters decided not to read for it, because

580
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,100
Speaker 2: they were triplets, they were kind of a gimmick for

581
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: their time, and then one of them went on to

582
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: be on Saved by the Bell, and the other one

583
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: went on to be on a whole bunch of other

584
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: guest stars, but my wife was like, I'm kind of

585
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: done with this, the acting thing is kind of weird.

586
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,350
Speaker 1: And I don't love it.

587
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,859
Speaker 2: But, uh, I think, like I said, there's no hard

588
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:17,780
Speaker 2: and fast rule.

589
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:20,050
Speaker 4: See, if I was a Baptist that I grew up with,

590
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,810
Speaker 4: you'd just be condemned, condemned, condemned. But I don't believe

591
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:25,990
Speaker 4: that's the answer. So why don't you give me the answer?

592
00:26:26,109 --> 00:26:28,250
Speaker 4: I've watched you two. Have you watched their videos?

593
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:29,470
Speaker 1: They school everybody.

594
00:26:30,109 --> 00:26:32,670
Speaker 4: And now they're teaming up all the time. I feel

595
00:26:32,850 --> 00:26:36,270
Speaker 4: terrible for the people you guys cornered. Because it's like, here,

596
00:26:36,330 --> 00:26:37,830
Speaker 4: I'll slap them. Okay, you slap them.

597
00:26:37,950 --> 00:26:38,369
Speaker 2: Here, here, here.

598
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,250
Speaker 4: And I'm like, the McDowells are like, they're wrestlers. Like, here,

599
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:45,210
Speaker 4: I'll drop the chair.

600
00:26:46,030 --> 00:26:47,129
Speaker 1: You know?

601
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:49,470
Speaker 4: So, you know it's true. I watch it.

602
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:50,710
Speaker 1: All right, Rob.

603
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Speaker 7: You have been in the comic book and film industry

604
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 7: for 40 plus years now?

605
00:26:54,820 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: Yeah. 40 plus years.

606
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,180
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a moment where you felt pressured

607
00:26:59,220 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: to compromise yourself? Yes.

608
00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:06,100
Speaker 4: So, well, so, during that time in Marvel Comics, again, guys, I'm...

609
00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 4: I get into the comms industry at 18 years old.

610
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:10,010
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what I was doing before I

611
00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:13,990
Speaker 2: was 18 years old. You understand, at eight years old,

612
00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:17,550
Speaker 2: my dad goes in for a brain surgery. He gets

613
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:19,670
Speaker 2: a blood clot the next day. He is in a

614
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:23,350
Speaker 2: coma for six months. They tell my mom every day

615
00:27:23,369 --> 00:27:26,190
Speaker 2: he is going to die. I drive with Patty Liefeld,

616
00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,629
Speaker 2: God bless her. She is crying on the way to

617
00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:30,889
Speaker 2: the hospital and on the way back. My sister, I

618
00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:33,340
Speaker 2: don't know where she But I did not see her

619
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:33,580
Speaker 2: for that.

620
00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:35,420
Speaker 4: I think she was out. She dealt with it in

621
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: her own way. She could drive. She could leave.

622
00:27:37,060 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: But I would drive with my mom. And I would

623
00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:43,739
Speaker 2: hear the doctors tell my mom that they don't say

624
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: this anymore. This is the verbiage of the 70s.

625
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,219
Speaker 4: Paul is a vegetable and likely never to wake up.

626
00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:51,649
Speaker 1: And we can't recommend not pulling the plug on him.

627
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,310
Speaker 4: And I'm like, don't pull the plug on dad. Let's

628
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:56,889
Speaker 4: give him some work tonight. Then one day, God woke

629
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 4: him up.

630
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Speaker 3: Boom.

631
00:27:57,670 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 4: Out of a coma. But then he had two months

632
00:28:00,150 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: of rehab. His whole body had been dead.

633
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: And this is 1970s science. And I mean, I'm like,

634
00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: did they work on him with rusty tools? I mean,

635
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: because in 1985 it came back. And it was, I'm

636
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,380
Speaker 2: about to graduate. My parents are living in Illinois now

637
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: because my dad has taken a job there as a

638
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,850
Speaker 2: superintendent of a school. And they didn't tell me, they

639
00:28:20,869 --> 00:28:22,189
Speaker 2: didn't want to upset me because that time for our

640
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:25,790
Speaker 2: family was very traumatic. I mean, I did not, I remember,

641
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:28,210
Speaker 2: they didn't even tell me the day they were bringing

642
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: my dad home. I think they just didn't want me

643
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: to get too anxious. But I saw all these cars.

644
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,700
Speaker 2: My sister took me to the drugstore to get comics.

645
00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:37,330
Speaker 2: And as we drive back, now I'm nine years old,

646
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,610
Speaker 2: I see all these family cars. And my sister's like,

647
00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:41,050
Speaker 2: Dad's home.

648
00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:41,810
Speaker 1: I'm like, what?

649
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:43,970
Speaker 4: I ran in. I cried. I hugged him.

650
00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:46,970
Speaker 2: He was also missing a giant part of his head

651
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:49,470
Speaker 2: because he had to go back in there and put

652
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,290
Speaker 2: plastic there because they had taken so much bone. I mean,

653
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:55,710
Speaker 2: this is archaic science of 1978.

654
00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: Now, he had another surgery in.

655
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Speaker 2: 1985 because my parents met me at my graduation. They

656
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: flew in and they're like, Robbie, we need you to

657
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: come back with us to be with your dad all summer.

658
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: He's going to have brain surgery. The tumors are back.

659
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Speaker 2: And I was a dutiful son. I'm like, let's do it.

660
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Speaker 2: I had a girlfriend. I had a life here. I

661
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Speaker 2: thought I'm going to have this great, you know, post-senior

662
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Speaker 2: high school summer. I graduated the next day. I'm on

663
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Speaker 2: a plane to Chicago. I sat next to my dad,

664
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Speaker 2: helped him out. This one went so smooth. We had

665
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Speaker 2: this great French doctor, Dr.

666
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Speaker 4: Rimbaldi.

667
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Speaker 2: He was so ace. And my dad was in and

668
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Speaker 2: out of the surgery. No coma, no complications. I said,

669
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go home now.

670
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Speaker 4: And they lived in Illinois. I flew home.

671
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Speaker 2: A buddy of mine, his family rented me a room.

672
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Speaker 2: And I immediately became a busboy. pizza delivery guy, and

673
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Speaker 2: I work construction five days a week with my buddy.

674
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Speaker 4: So we're up at 4.30 in the morning getting our

675
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Speaker 4: construction boots on. We work construction.

676
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Speaker 2: We work until 4 o'clock every day.

677
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Speaker 4: I get home and between four or five nights a week,

678
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Speaker 4: I'm delivering pizzas or.

679
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Speaker 2: I'm bussing tables because I'm just trying to make Because

680
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Speaker 2: at this point, things look bleak. My parents' financial picture

681
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Speaker 2: is bleak. So drawing comics is like my goal.

682
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Speaker 4: And one year later, because I graduated when I was

683
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Speaker 4: 17 years old. I didn't turn 18 until October of 1985.

684
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Speaker 4: So I graduated in June of 85. One year later,

685
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Speaker 4: I'm hiring comics. And that is a blessing. That is,

686
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Speaker 4: the good Lord blessed me ridiculously.

687
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Speaker 2: And so getting in comics and paying the rent is,

688
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Speaker 2: is like all, now I can draw, do what I love,

689
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Speaker 2: and make some money, and get paid.

690
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Speaker 4: $ 200 a page. And if I can do 25 pages

691
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Speaker 4: a month, then I'm good.

692
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Speaker 2: So, I'm now getting some attention with my art, and

693
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Speaker 2: I'm answering your question directly after that kind of buildup.

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Speaker 4: I just want to give context. An editor at Marvel

695
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Speaker 4: calls me up and says, Rob, we want you to

696
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Speaker 4: do the new Doctor Strange book. Well, I had already

697
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Speaker 4: heard what they were going to do with Doctor Strange.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Strange, when I was a kid, by Stan Lee

699
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Speaker 2: and a gentleman named Steve Ditko, was cool, fun, magic,

700
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Speaker 2: other dimensions, specific, like, magic creatures.

701
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Speaker 4: Again, now, I have friends who are like, magic is

702
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Speaker 4: of the devil, and I just shut the door. Magic

703
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Speaker 4: can be fun.

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Speaker 3: Stop.

705
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Speaker 2: Yes, magic, if I have a pentagram, and I'm calling

706
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: up the devil, and I'm trying to burn, yeah, okay. So,

707
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Speaker 2: let's comment on, we have friends who banned Harry Potter

708
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Speaker 2: books in 2001.

709
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Speaker 4: Like, you can't read Harry Potter, it's up to the devil.

710
00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:24,090
Speaker 4: I'm like, you need help. Not me, just for the record. No, no,

711
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Speaker 4: you're my stand-in friend.

712
00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:27,650
Speaker 2: It's like my dad, when he took me to see

713
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Speaker 2: Star Wars, and he drove home and he said, Robbie,

714
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Speaker 2: if I ever see you praying to the force, I'm like, Dad!

715
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Speaker 4: Because Obi-Wan kind of looks like Elijah, kind of looks

716
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Speaker 4: like Moses.

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Speaker 1: If you look at, again, it's like, there's some Old

718
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Speaker 1: Testament stuff going on on Tatooine.

719
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Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean, if Obi-Wan opened his closet and

720
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Speaker 2: there was the Ten Commandments, he'd be like, I knew

721
00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: it was Moses!

722
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Speaker 4: But the thing is, George Lucas was pulling for everything.

723
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Speaker 2: So this guy says we're going in a very occult

724
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Speaker 2: direction of Doctor Strange. He's going to be battling like

725
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Speaker 2: Satanists and more occult and supernatural.

726
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Speaker 4: And there's going to be spells.

727
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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, that just didn't sound

728
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Speaker 2: cool to me. Like I don't want to, like the

729
00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:11,950
Speaker 2: devil sitting on my shoulder while I'm drawing. I really

730
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Speaker 2: was 20 years old and.

731
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Speaker 4: Not having it. And I said, hey, you know what?

732
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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you offering me this new direction for Dr.

733
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Speaker 1: Strange.

734
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Speaker 2: But if you want to go to the old, the

735
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Speaker 2: Stan Lee Dr. Strange, I'm all for it. But this

736
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Speaker 2: new one where he wears a coat and he investigates the.

737
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Speaker 4: Occult, I'm not for that. And he said to me,

738
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Speaker 4: who do you think you are? And I mean, you

739
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Speaker 4: feel that on the phone.

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Speaker 2: They're in New York. I'm in Los Angeles. I'm in

741
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Speaker 2: Orange County. And he goes, who do you think you

742
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,490
Speaker 2: are that you can turn down to work? I'm a

743
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Speaker 2: big editor here at Marvel, and I just offered.

744
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Speaker 4: You a great gig. Who do you think you are?

745
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:50,070
Speaker 2: And I said, I think I'm the guy that's not

746
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: gonna draw Doctor Strange. I was very nervous that I

747
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: was now going, because this guy was a very influential editor,

748
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,260
Speaker 2: but there was a brand new young editor who had

749
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Speaker 2: just taken over the X-Men, and I do believe it

750
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Speaker 2: was a direct correlation three days later Rob you want

751
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Speaker 2: to do the original lifespan no that's too scary for

752
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Speaker 2: me I don't think I'm good enough the characters were

753
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Speaker 2: like temple touchers and stuff but like I said the

754
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Speaker 2: guy who was drawing it was really good and I

755
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Speaker 2: didn't want to follow him if I didn't make that

756
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Speaker 2: clear and then he's like well we have this other

757
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Speaker 2: thing and you guys my path on that so Scotty

758
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Speaker 2: I would not give in to the pressure and I

759
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Speaker 2: mean in that moment there was a hanging moment that

760
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Speaker 2: felt like a thousand years of you know when the

761
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Speaker 2: editor says who do you think you are you're like

762
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Speaker 2: oh boy I'm in trouble And I'm a guy who

763
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Speaker 2: needs Marvel to give me work. So that is the

764
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Speaker 2: one time, and I definitely believe that that was like

765
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Speaker 2: a crossroads. That was like a bit of a kind

766
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Speaker 2: of like a journey for me, a test. And I'm glad.

767
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Speaker 4: That I, at 20 years old, stood up and said, no,

768
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to compromise.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

770
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Speaker 1: I've got a question for you.

771
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Speaker 5: I think Scott has one more, and then we'll open

772
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Speaker 5: it up. Sometimes people ask me, what are your favorite interviews?

773
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Speaker 5: And just so you know, my all-time favorite interview always

774
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Speaker 5: has been and always will be with my dad, just

775
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Speaker 5: for the record.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, after that.

777
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Speaker 4: He's a goat.

778
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Speaker 1: He is the goat.

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Speaker 5: After that, I'm like, you are one of the first

780
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Speaker 5: that come up. And I've been thinking about it because

781
00:34:28,150 --> 00:34:31,109
Speaker 5: I asked you this question. The moment I tell people,

782
00:34:31,130 --> 00:34:34,390
Speaker 5: I interviewed Rob Liefeld, created a character. He created Cable,

783
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Speaker 5: created Deadpool.

784
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Speaker 1: He's a Christian. Half the time, I'll get a look like, huh.

785
00:34:39,390 --> 00:34:39,529
Speaker 4: Yeah.

786
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Speaker 1: Like, how does that work?

787
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Speaker 5: And I've thought about, like, there seems to be two

788
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:46,540
Speaker 5: ways to look at Deadpool. Tell me if I'm completely

789
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 5: off on this. One is irreverent, crass, certain humor. Maybe

790
00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: it makes us laugh at things maybe we shouldn't laugh at.

791
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: The other's like, he's actually a tragic character. And he's

792
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 5: acting out certain hurt and pain and experiments that have

793
00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: been done on him. When I started to look at

794
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 5: it through that lens, I started viewing the character differently.

795
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: How do you view him as a character? And to

796
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Speaker 5: answer the question people ask me, like, wait a minute,

797
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Speaker 5: how does a Christian make a character about Deadpool? I'm

798
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 5: sure you get asked that.

799
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Speaker 1: What do you say?

800
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,340
Speaker 4: Well, so I'm going to go back to what I

801
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:21,029
Speaker 4: told that lady in Little Billy. He's an assassin who

802
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:21,830
Speaker 4: kills people for money.

803
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Speaker 2: Is that a great job that God would want you

804
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:24,049
Speaker 2: to do?

805
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:27,009
Speaker 4: No, he's an anti-hero, like Boba Fett.

806
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:29,230
Speaker 2: I mean, they eventually turned Boba Fett into, like, look,

807
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:31,590
Speaker 2: I know the Mandalorian movie failed, but it was based

808
00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: on Boba Fett. And that show was blowing up for

809
00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:35,740
Speaker 2: a while because he's an anti-hero.

810
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:39,830
Speaker 4: We like compromised people. So, look, here's the deal.

811
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Speaker 2: I was thinking, I've drawn thousands of comic book pages.

812
00:35:41,989 --> 00:35:44,450
Speaker 2: I was drawing one before I came here today. I

813
00:35:44,489 --> 00:35:47,029
Speaker 2: hope to draw until I drop dead on my drawing board.

814
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:48,170
Speaker 2: I hope I die on my drawing board.

815
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Speaker 4: I told my wife. I'm not sure if she's entertained

816
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:50,009
Speaker 4: by that.

817
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:53,169
Speaker 2: But there was a guy who was drawing a story

818
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:55,649
Speaker 2: for us, and the family called and said, he died

819
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:56,410
Speaker 2: drawing your story.

820
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Speaker 4: And I kind of thought, that was badass.

821
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

822
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Speaker 2: So the thing is, the thing is, look, In those

823
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Speaker 2: thousands of people, in those thousands of pages, I've murdered

824
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:14,109
Speaker 2: people brutally, bullets through heads, swords impaling people. It's just

825
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:17,170
Speaker 2: the function of, like, do I go to John Wick

826
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:20,570
Speaker 2: and go, oh man, John Wick is sinning so bad, killing.

827
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:24,009
Speaker 4: These 60 people. No, I'm like, kill more! I'm going

828
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:26,590
Speaker 4: in to see John Wick? Deadpool.

829
00:36:27,489 --> 00:36:31,910
Speaker 2: The humor has become opened up wildly because of, let's

830
00:36:32,110 --> 00:36:34,750
Speaker 2: be honest, he was put in the hands of a

831
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Speaker 2: very talented comedian, a comedic voice named Ryan Reynolds.

832
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:44,049
Speaker 4: And he bent Deadpool to his will.

833
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:47,050
Speaker 2: People tell me, look, there's the Deadpool that Marvel Comics

834
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:48,509
Speaker 2: give you, whether it's by me or any of the

835
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:51,529
Speaker 2: other authors, and then there's Ryan's Deadpool. And as he

836
00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:54,180
Speaker 2: has become more well-known as Deadpool, he has made Deadpool

837
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Speaker 2: more him. I know people who believe that he plays

838
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,580
Speaker 2: Deadpool in multiple roles now, just because they've gotten used

839
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,140
Speaker 2: to hearing that voice as Deadpool.

840
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,989
Speaker 4: See, I create a character for Marvel. I get a

841
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:08,690
Speaker 4: great royalty share. I get a creator share. It's great.

842
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:10,590
Speaker 4: I love those movies. I love that merchandise.

843
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:13,030
Speaker 2: It helped put my kids through all manner of schooling

844
00:37:13,090 --> 00:37:14,990
Speaker 2: and bought multiple cars because.

845
00:37:15,010 --> 00:37:16,129
Speaker 4: Every kid needs a car, right?

846
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:16,470
Speaker 13: Whatever.

847
00:37:17,010 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: But the thing is, at the end of the day,

848
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,500
Speaker 2: I don't own Deadpool. And when they take him and

849
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:25,980
Speaker 2: put him in other people's hands, you have to just

850
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,100
Speaker 2: observe and watch. But I'm not going to not tell

851
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,650
Speaker 2: you that that character exists because I put him into existence.

852
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:37,390
Speaker 2: Because that is, you know, I have a contract that

853
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:41,690
Speaker 2: says that, that dates back to 1990. But what they

854
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: do with him, whether it's in cartoons, games, look, the game.

855
00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: Is very overrated. If I can tell you this story,

856
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: my kids are super gamers when they were, my sons

857
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: Chase and Luke were mega gamers. I do not have

858
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,549
Speaker 4: that talent. But I would watch them do crazy, I mean,

859
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:05,060
Speaker 4: amazing things. So Deadpool's getting his game. It's 2014.

860
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:08,930
Speaker 2: We're going to GameStop after basketball practice. I have all

861
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:10,509
Speaker 2: three kids with me. My wife is at home.

862
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:14,150
Speaker 4: I have my daughter, Chase, and Luke. And we walk

863
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:17,230
Speaker 4: into GameStop, and I go up, and I know the

864
00:38:17,770 --> 00:38:21,069
Speaker 4: Deadpool game is R-rated. Does that mean I have two

865
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:26,089
Speaker 4: minutes left? No, you're good. Oh. I'm sorry. Keep going.

866
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Speaker 4: So the thing is, I said, hey, can we get

867
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:34,489
Speaker 4: the Deadpool game? Okay. Sir, we've had angry mothers returning

868
00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:37,029
Speaker 4: this game all day. Oh, by the way, this is

869
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:39,390
Speaker 4: 6 p.m. in the evening, so I guess it's after practice.

870
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Speaker 2: And we just have to warn you that this has

871
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: become a very problematic game for us.

872
00:38:45,739 --> 00:38:47,779
Speaker 4: We've got a lot of angry moms today. I just

873
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,459
Speaker 4: need to tell you that. I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

874
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,420
Speaker 4: Can I have the game? And then a manager comes out.

875
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Speaker 4: I just want to... You know, go by what my

876
00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: employee just told you. We really want to warn you.

877
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,020
Speaker 4: And my son Chase goes, my dad created Deadpool. Give

878
00:39:01,060 --> 00:39:07,089
Speaker 4: him the game. And I said, I'm sorry. I just

879
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: like to buy the game, you know. And so we

880
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,969
Speaker 4: bought it. And I just told you, I don't play

881
00:39:10,989 --> 00:39:19,350
Speaker 4: video games. And I, is it LARPing? I don't know.

882
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:21,350
Speaker 4: I lived through my son.

883
00:39:21,830 --> 00:39:23,370
Speaker 2: I gave the son to Luke Liefeldt.

884
00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: Who in 2014 is 13. I said, play the game, son.

885
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: He's like, sure thing, dad.

886
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,180
Speaker 10: I've been playing Star Wars games, but I'll play this

887
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,219
Speaker 10: R-rated game for you.

888
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:36,100
Speaker 4: And he doesn't know what he's doing. He's got his

889
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: mic on.

890
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:37,250
Speaker 1: He's going on.

891
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,259
Speaker 4: He's in the beanbag. I'm sitting in the game room

892
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,050
Speaker 4: watching him. Well, to enter the third level.

893
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:49,110
Speaker 2: My wife walks in, and Deb was walking towards a

894
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:52,810
Speaker 2: girl in a jacuzzi wearing a very skimpy bikini.

895
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:55,410
Speaker 4: I've never played this game. I didn't know it was coming.

896
00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: But then they have the perspective of the hands going,

897
00:39:58,820 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: so here's the camera.

898
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 4: And my wife, I hear from behind, what are you

899
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,380
Speaker 4: doing in here? Oh, Luke, stop the game, stop the game.

900
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: I never got beyond that third level because I wasn't.

901
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,529
Speaker 4: Able to play the game again. So, like I said,

902
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:20,330
Speaker 4: the game developers, and let me tell you, for a

903
00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:21,940
Speaker 4: year they'd come up to me and say, hey Rob,

904
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:23,509
Speaker 4: I'm so and so, I'm working on the game, you're

905
00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:25,049
Speaker 4: going to love it, the game, yeah!

906
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: It's R-rated, yeah!

907
00:40:26,219 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: And I'm like, right on.

908
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: Because that's just my, like I told you, I read

909
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: a story about a kid who saw off the head

910
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,299
Speaker 2: of a giant and walked around with it. And then, like,

911
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: you know, murdered people to be with their wives. Like

912
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:44,970
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not justifying it, but The Bible is R-rated.

913
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: So when I go see people, just plunge bullets into people.

914
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: Because not everybody in the Bible is redeemed.

915
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,299
Speaker 4: And we can have that battle of intellect.

916
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is what people do with your creations,

917
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: you have no control of. I can only speak to

918
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,890
Speaker 2: the origins of it. But at the end of the day, yes,

919
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: when you make stories, Star Wars is nothing without Darth Vader.

920
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,100
Speaker 2: Without Darth Vader walking through that hall in your dark,

921
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: Sith Lord, the movie doesn't mean anything. And then later

922
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,540
Speaker 2: with the Emperor and his cackling. You've got to have

923
00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:18,219
Speaker 2: bad guys and you've got to have good guys. And

924
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: sometimes you have compromised people. Han Solo is not someone

925
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,180
Speaker 2: I want my son to grow up to be.

926
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:25,110
Speaker 4: I watched it again for my birthday.

927
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,370
Speaker 1: I turned 59. I'm like, I'm going back to 1977.

928
00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:30,370
Speaker 2: And my son walked by me and he goes, I

929
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:31,609
Speaker 2: knew you were going to watch Star Wars today.

930
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:32,330
Speaker 4: I'm like, yep.

931
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:37,009
Speaker 2: And Han Solo is a total scoundrel, two-faced liar, cheat, and.

932
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: We love him. He's called an anti-hero. It's a scoundrel.

933
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,860
Speaker 4: And it's just fiction. What I make is fiction, but

934
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, the talent that I

935
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,380
Speaker 4: make it with, I give the glory where it belongs.

936
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,500
Speaker 2: Because I'm just a storyteller, but storytellers need all manner

937
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,420
Speaker 2: of characters, otherwise we're not invested. The Bible has villains,

938
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,740
Speaker 2: you know? And that's why we're invested. David is nothing

939
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: without Goliath. Goliath defines him. Not only to us in

940
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: the world, but what happens to his legend in the

941
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,129
Speaker 2: Bible and how people... He's the kid who killed the.

942
00:42:08,070 --> 00:42:10,470
Speaker 4: Giant, right? So anyway, I'm not sure I answered your question.

943
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:14,310
Speaker 4: These are just my thoughts. And I'm sharing. All right, Brock,

944
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:16,190
Speaker 4: you're going to get it fast.

945
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:16,710
Speaker 1: This is on you, man.

946
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:18,870
Speaker 4: You're going to answer this fast. If I don't ask

947
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:21,740
Speaker 4: this question... I don't answer anything fast. You got this.

948
00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:23,339
Speaker 4: I am long-winded.

949
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 7: If I don't ask you this question, I'm going to

950
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,300
Speaker 7: get in trouble here. In two months, we have Avengers Doomsday.

951
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

952
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 7: When we saw Ryan Reynolds walk by in that outfit,

953
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,100
Speaker 7: is he.

954
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 4: In this new movie? Is it out in two months?

955
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 4: It's out in two months. Find out in two months.

956
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:49,710
Speaker 4: Is that fast? It is pretty fast. He can wink

957
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:52,370
Speaker 4: at us, though. All right, fair enough.

958
00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:54,469
Speaker 1: Here's the deal.

959
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:56,170
Speaker 2: You told me you were recording this, and there are

960
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:57,549
Speaker 2: people who probably have their phones on me.

961
00:42:57,850 --> 00:42:59,049
Speaker 4: I'm not doing a jack.

962
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: I'm not doing a jack.

963
00:43:02,250 --> 00:43:03,910
Speaker 4: Can we get a mic back here?

964
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:06,370
Speaker 7: All right, if you want to raise your hand, if

965
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:08,569
Speaker 7: you have a question, we're going to get to these

966
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:09,290
Speaker 7: really fast.

967
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:09,910
Speaker 1: Okay.

968
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:11,069
Speaker 8: Luke, you picked on you, dude.

969
00:43:11,090 --> 00:43:12,490
Speaker 4: You can. Here's the deal.

970
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:15,770
Speaker 1: Ask your question quickly.

971
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:18,989
Speaker 4: I want name and your question. My name is Esteban.

972
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:20,670
Speaker 9: I want to ask you, why do you think that

973
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:24,169
Speaker 9: people from different cultures, nationalities, and ways of seeing the world.

974
00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:26,469
Speaker 4: I can't see you. I have to see you. Okay,

975
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:29,110
Speaker 4: I'll start again. Okay, why do you think that people.

976
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:32,750
Speaker 15: From different cultures, nationalities, and ways of seeing the world,

977
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:36,940
Speaker 15: CNN superheroes can identify and inspire themselves to be better

978
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 15: people without having the same.

979
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: Point of view.

980
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: I didn't understand.

981
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: I didn't quite understand the question.

982
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,460
Speaker 13: Can you rephrase that in like one sentence?

983
00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:48,430
Speaker 4: I'm not very bright.

984
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:58,530
Speaker 13: Why can people from different cultures be affected by different superheroes?

985
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:08,049
Speaker 4: So, okay. We all get excited about aspirational. I'd love

986
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:09,509
Speaker 4: for these two guys to weigh in, too.

987
00:44:09,830 --> 00:44:13,250
Speaker 2: So, look, whether it was Magic Johnson, I was watching

988
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:16,370
Speaker 2: the Lakers when they drafted him. Those games were played

989
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:19,089
Speaker 2: after 11 o'clock at night. I mean, it wasn't the

990
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:21,370
Speaker 2: NBA that we know today. But then there's Kobe Bryant.

991
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:24,570
Speaker 4: And when Shaq and Kobe were tearing through the league,

992
00:44:24,670 --> 00:44:28,009
Speaker 4: I'd be like, it's Spider-Man and the Hulk! We crush everybody!

993
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:29,890
Speaker 4: He's the Hulk, Kobe's Spider-Man!

994
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,460
Speaker 2: We just, there's aspirational things that we put on superheroes

995
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: because they are so fantastical and I think they do

996
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: grant us an escape and we want to believe that somehow, someway,

997
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,950
Speaker 2: if we put on the cape or the utility belt,

998
00:44:45,010 --> 00:44:48,569
Speaker 2: we'll solve problems. We know that's not true. There is

999
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:51,310
Speaker 2: no Deadpool in real life. There is no Batman with

1000
00:44:51,350 --> 00:44:52,310
Speaker 2: prep time or not.

1001
00:44:52,850 --> 00:44:54,690
Speaker 1: And we all... But.

1002
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, like.

1003
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: I said, for me, I was into the heroes of

1004
00:44:57,980 --> 00:45:00,580
Speaker 2: the Bible, and they all disappointed me because they died.

1005
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: Because I wanted the further adventures of Samson. I wanted

1006
00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:05,830
Speaker 2: to go to every colony and crush them. But that

1007
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:08,870
Speaker 2: story ended. So, I mean, it's a little bit of

1008
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:15,130
Speaker 2: an indulgent, we're indulging fantasies to derive aspiration. But like

1009
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:18,180
Speaker 2: I said, I put capes on Shaq and Kobe, and

1010
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure they didn't ask for them.

1011
00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:20,969
Speaker 4: I'm sure they'd be like, why are you calling us

1012
00:45:20,989 --> 00:45:23,109
Speaker 4: Spider-Man and the Hulk? I'm Kobe and that's Shaq.

1013
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:25,570
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure I answered your question again because

1014
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:27,470
Speaker 2: I'm a little touched.

1015
00:45:27,489 --> 00:45:29,609
Speaker 4: That's great. We've got one right here.

1016
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: Hello.

1017
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 14: Okay, so to me, Deadpool is someone who hides his

1018
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,860
Speaker 14: emotions behind humor.

1019
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:39,340
Speaker 1: But as Christians, we're called to be real and honest

1020
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,020
Speaker 1: about who we are.

1021
00:45:40,510 --> 00:45:43,529
Speaker 15: Has creating Deadpool taught you anything about being authentic and

1022
00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:45,030
Speaker 15: being honest with yourself.

1023
00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:49,390
Speaker 4: And with God?

1024
00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:54,350
Speaker 2: You know, talking about my dad, so he had four

1025
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:56,989
Speaker 2: more cancer surgeries and the last one took his life.

1026
00:45:57,650 --> 00:46:01,989
Speaker 4: So cancer touched my family. It's why Deadpool has the

1027
00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: cancer story. Because by the time I'm doing Deadpool, that's

1028
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,250
Speaker 4: his fourth one. And each time, so... Eight months before

1029
00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:12,370
Speaker 4: I get married, again, my mom and dad, they would

1030
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:13,750
Speaker 4: keep things secret. We need to talk to you.

1031
00:46:13,969 --> 00:46:15,430
Speaker 2: And I'm like, my dad's not going to be allowed

1032
00:46:15,450 --> 00:46:17,550
Speaker 2: to watch me get married. So there's the cancer journey.

1033
00:46:18,010 --> 00:46:21,620
Speaker 2: And again, going to the hospital. My dad had 18-hour,

1034
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,660
Speaker 2: 19-hour surgeries. So the cancer aspect of Deadpool is very

1035
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,460
Speaker 2: personal to me. But, you know, for me, I'm putting

1036
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: stuff on the page that's entertaining. And let me tell

1037
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: you something, what entertaining gets me is it gets me

1038
00:46:34,739 --> 00:46:35,820
Speaker 2: an audience with people.

1039
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,580
Speaker 4: And then I share who I am with people.

1040
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:41,060
Speaker 2: So I don't get invested terribly with the actions of

1041
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: the characters because at the end of the day, they

1042
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,060
Speaker 2: serve a purpose to entertain. I'm an entertainer with comic

1043
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,170
Speaker 2: book stories. And then I get to stand in front

1044
00:46:51,210 --> 00:46:53,989
Speaker 2: of people and share my story and share my authenticity

1045
00:46:54,070 --> 00:46:58,530
Speaker 2: because I'm real. Deadpool's not real. And neither is Superman,

1046
00:46:58,989 --> 00:47:01,310
Speaker 2: as great as he is. And I used to love Superman.

1047
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: He was this aspirational character. And then they gave Superman

1048
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,620
Speaker 2: a political side.

1049
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:08,620
Speaker 4: Like 15 years ago, I'm like, No, no, no, don't

1050
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,700
Speaker 4: make him comment on politics. He's Superman.

1051
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,100
Speaker 2: He loves everyone. The Superman, the most like Christ character

1052
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,780
Speaker 2: ever is Superman. Two Jewish men who were impoverished, wanting

1053
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:24,260
Speaker 2: to make a better life for themselves.

1054
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: I mean, come on. They give him up. I mean,

1055
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,660
Speaker 4: it's part Moses, part Jesus. They kind of put him

1056
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:35,529
Speaker 4: in the Nile and sacrifice him for the betterment. serves us.

1057
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:38,049
Speaker 2: It's a super Christ story, but when they start putting

1058
00:47:38,110 --> 00:47:41,580
Speaker 2: politics and other stuff in there, I'm like, wait, what's this?

1059
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: Don't leave that alone.

1060
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: But the people, I'm sure, I never got to meet

1061
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,580
Speaker 2: with the creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster, but I

1062
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: did get to.

1063
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,739
Speaker 4: Meet Jack Kirby. Hang out with him. Go out to

1064
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:56,260
Speaker 4: dinner with him. Go to his house multiple times. Become

1065
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:58,570
Speaker 4: friends with him. And I got to know that guy.

1066
00:47:59,150 --> 00:48:00,589
Speaker 4: And I got to know his faith.

1067
00:48:01,989 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: But I didn't get to know that faith from the

1068
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four, but I wouldn't be interested in him unless

1069
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: there was the Fantastic Four.

1070
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:10,060
Speaker 4: So that's my answer. Great. Thank you so much. We

1071
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: have one in the back over here.

1072
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 16: I just want to say thank you for coming to

1073
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,580
Speaker 16: Torrey Conference this year. And my question is, do you

1074
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,339
Speaker 16: think God can use a story that never mentions him

1075
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 16: to accomplish something missional? And if so, what makes a

1076
00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:29,469
Speaker 16: story spiritually meaningful without turning it into a Christian message?

1077
00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:33,750
Speaker 2: Well, so you're asking me. God can use anything, anywhere,

1078
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: for any glory. That's the end of the story. So

1079
00:48:37,219 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: whether it's a story, whether it's a guy who throws

1080
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:42,460
Speaker 2: a touchdown in the last seconds, and then when the

1081
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: mic gets in front of him, he goes, I just

1082
00:48:43,739 --> 00:48:44,709
Speaker 2: want to give all the glory to God.

1083
00:48:44,730 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 4: Come on, we're Christians. I still see my wife go, yeah!

1084
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:51,020
Speaker 2: If you throw a touchdown or make a last-minute shot

1085
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:53,140
Speaker 2: or block some shot and you give the glory.

1086
00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:54,500
Speaker 1: To the Lord, my wife will be your fan for

1087
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,180
Speaker 1: the rest of her.

1088
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: Oh, man! They're Christians! Yeah! I mean, immediately.

1089
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: So God can use anything, anytime, anywhere. So stories are

1090
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Speaker 2: ultimately nothing to him. I don't... So I don't believe

1091
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,010
Speaker 2: God has read the New Mutants for Day.

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00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't. And that's my answer. Great. Thank you. I

1093
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,180
Speaker 4: have one right here. Here, I'm going to pass the mic.

1094
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:18,219
Speaker 4: Can you see it on the left? So my favorite

1095
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: X-Men hero is Nightcrawler, and he is Catherine. And he

1096
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: is Catherine.

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Speaker 15: And the new X-Men 97 is shown to have a

1098
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,469
Speaker 15: lot of connection with space. And we are a lot

1099
00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:31,430
Speaker 15: of creatives here, ACMA, arts, a lot of that. And

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Speaker 15: I'm questioning, after 40 years of being in the comic

1101
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:37,290
Speaker 15: book industry, how would you recommend, but also how would you.

1102
00:49:38,969 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 15: Nowadays try to show these Christian characters that are openly Christian,

1103
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 15: but also flawed in creative media, such as comic books,

1104
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 15: TV shows, and movies.

1105
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Speaker 4: The last part, Shady, and how would I what?

1106
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:52,980
Speaker 2: How would the first part?

1107
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:58,430
Speaker 4: Sorry, say the last sentence. How would you.

1108
00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:04,340
Speaker 15: Show Christians, flaws, characters, in movies, comic books, with your experience?

1109
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,140
Speaker 4: Well, so here's the deal. Great question.

1110
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,779
Speaker 2: The thing I really liked about Nightcrawler early on in

1111
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:12,049
Speaker 2: his very first appearance, he's running from people who want

1112
00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:14,290
Speaker 2: to burn him because they think his appearance makes him

1113
00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:17,830
Speaker 2: look like a demon. And so he's this terribly burdened guy.

1114
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:19,610
Speaker 2: He didn't ask to look the way he did, but

1115
00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:22,130
Speaker 2: they think he looks like a demon. He's a genius character.

1116
00:50:22,450 --> 00:50:24,690
Speaker 2: Tremendous character. And then you find out that he's got

1117
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:27,850
Speaker 2: this deep Catholic faith.

1118
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:31,250
Speaker 4: That he wrestles with. So, you know what, I would.

1119
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Speaker 1: Personally, as a believer, I would love to see Captain

1120
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:36,410
Speaker 1: America pray before.

1121
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:37,650
Speaker 4: He goes into battle, but you're not going to get that.

1122
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:41,109
Speaker 2: That's not happening, and it's certainly not happening in this

1123
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:41,669
Speaker 2: day and age.

1124
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:46,510
Speaker 4: That's become too loaded, sadly. But, you know, like, for instance,

1125
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Speaker 4: I have a.

1126
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:51,989
Speaker 2: Story of a character that I created 30-plus years ago

1127
00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:52,830
Speaker 2: named Evangeline.

1128
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Speaker 1: She's an angel.

1129
00:50:53,489 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: She falls to Earth, and I explore so much with her.

1130
00:50:58,020 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: One thing, she never has a romance because I'm like,

1131
00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:02,820
Speaker 2: she's not going to be you know, getting into a

1132
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:03,540
Speaker 2: romantic adventure.

1133
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,580
Speaker 1: I don't need that. But she has a priest who's.

1134
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,770
Speaker 2: Doubting his faith and she walks through his doors desperate

1135
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:10,530
Speaker 2: because now she's.

1136
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:11,150
Speaker 4: In human form.

1137
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:15,049
Speaker 2: Every issue of Evangelion that has come out so far, well,

1138
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:18,569
Speaker 2: the next three that come out starting today, one, two, three,

1139
00:51:18,610 --> 00:51:19,549
Speaker 2: we've relaunched it.

1140
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:21,029
Speaker 4: I'm not here to plug it. I'm just giving you.

1141
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,350
Speaker 4: She prays in every single issue and.

1142
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:27,930
Speaker 2: There was somebody who I was working with on the

1143
00:51:27,969 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: book that asked off the book And I wondered if

1144
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,260
Speaker 2: it was because they didn't like that I have religion

1145
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,100
Speaker 2: and faith and God in it. And I just accepted

1146
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:44,419
Speaker 2: their sidestepping that book as, okay, this is something that.

1147
00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:48,500
Speaker 4: Rob expects me to, this character is praying? Because that's

1148
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:49,300
Speaker 4: just not common.

1149
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,569
Speaker 2: But my character is asking the Lord to comfort and

1150
00:51:53,130 --> 00:51:56,090
Speaker 2: guide them. In 1993, I launched a book called Prophets.

1151
00:51:57,020 --> 00:52:00,460
Speaker 2: And he has Bible verses. That first issue is plastered

1152
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: with Bible verses.

1153
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:02,860
Speaker 4: And I'm going to tell you, I can time it

1154
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,540
Speaker 4: to the day where the guns came out for me.

1155
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 4: But I didn't care. I was fearless. The thing about

1156
00:52:08,260 --> 00:52:10,730
Speaker 4: me and my industry, half of them will say I

1157
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:11,250
Speaker 4: have a big mouth.

1158
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:13,830
Speaker 2: It's just I stand up and I tell people, that's wrong.

1159
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:17,290
Speaker 2: You treat people badly. You should treat creators better, blah, blah, blah.

1160
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:19,590
Speaker 2: The company that he referred to, Image Comics, is the

1161
00:52:19,630 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: same company today that it was 35 years ago.

1162
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,100
Speaker 4: You can walk in with your Mr. Blue Man and

1163
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 4: keep Mr.

1164
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: Blue Man.

1165
00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:29,649
Speaker 4: You can take and make toys of Mr. Blue Man,

1166
00:52:30,489 --> 00:52:33,170
Speaker 4: make movies, make cartoons. You own it. Image gets a

1167
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:35,890
Speaker 4: piece for helping you put it to life, but they

1168
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:38,450
Speaker 4: don't own it. So what does Image own? It owns nothing.

1169
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:40,259
Speaker 2: Image Comics owns nothing.

1170
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: Everyone at Image Comics owns what they bring into it.

1171
00:52:43,219 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: That's me bringing the generosity of a creative spirit and

1172
00:52:50,739 --> 00:52:54,790
Speaker 2: sharing it with people and trying to like Just empower creators. So,

1173
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:56,089
Speaker 2: of course, I'm not going to stand for it when

1174
00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:58,270
Speaker 2: I think creators are treated bad by any company.

1175
00:52:58,630 --> 00:53:00,910
Speaker 4: And I understand the people that don't speak up because

1176
00:53:00,930 --> 00:53:03,250
Speaker 4: it's like, I may lose my page rate. I don't care.

1177
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:08,170
Speaker 2: I'm employed for 41 years. Like, you're not, like, all

1178
00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:10,069
Speaker 2: the bullets have been sprayed at me. And I have

1179
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:12,259
Speaker 2: been protected. So I'm going to continue to speak up.

1180
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: And I know I'm a little off base here. But

1181
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: why'd you ask me? You know, why'd you ask me here?

1182
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: I'm going to go off base.

1183
00:53:19,610 --> 00:53:20,310
Speaker 1: You're good, you're good.

1184
00:53:20,610 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 4: Right to the right. Yeah, we all, right at the middle.

1185
00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:23,620
Speaker 3: Hello, my.

1186
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:30,140
Speaker 15: Name is Garrison, and my question is, if Deadpool walked

1187
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 15: into a church on a Sunday, what do you think

1188
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:34,820
Speaker 15: about the church and Christian faith would.

1189
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 4: Make him stay, and what do you think would make

1190
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:36,779
Speaker 4: him leave?

1191
00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: So the character is deranged, and science did that to him.

1192
00:53:43,580 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if you've met with a deranged person,

1193
00:53:46,660 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure it would go the way you

1194
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:52,910
Speaker 2: Imagine it would on either way. Deranged people are going

1195
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:53,930
Speaker 2: to do deranged things.

1196
00:53:53,969 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: They have definitely made him. So he was deranged, disfigured.

1197
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 2: You know, you guys, the whole thing was you got

1198
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 2: this program that's putting out Wolverine. I am the first

1199
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:09,700
Speaker 2: guy that goes beyond the Wolverine program. I asked my editor, Mr. Editor,

1200
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: love this guy.

1201
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,980
Speaker 4: His name was Bob. He gave me all these amazing opportunities.

1202
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,489
Speaker 4: I said, Wolverine, you call him Weapon X. correct me

1203
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:20,570
Speaker 4: if I'm wrong, the X is Roman numeral 10. That's correct.

1204
00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:21,049
Speaker 8: Okay.

1205
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:25,890
Speaker 2: Then, what about the other nine? And I said, Deadpool

1206
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:30,210
Speaker 2: is weapon nine. He's, before they perfected, because Wolverine kind

1207
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:31,030
Speaker 2: of came out okay.

1208
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:32,110
Speaker 4: He doesn't look disfigured.

1209
00:54:32,489 --> 00:54:36,110
Speaker 2: He's got these rad claws that retract, and he's super violent,

1210
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:38,390
Speaker 2: the way little Robbie Liefeld loved the Old Testament.

1211
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,310
Speaker 4: And so, I'm all in.

1212
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: But I was like, what about getting there? What about

1213
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,220
Speaker 2: all the broken eggs before they made the omelet? So, Deadpool,

1214
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: by and large, was supposed to, and they approved all

1215
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: of this. They were like, Rob, we're cool, we're cool.

1216
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: And then I, ironically, your name's Garrison. Weapon 11 is

1217
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,419
Speaker 2: Garrison Kane. And he is introduced in X-Force 2. And again,

1218
00:54:59,620 --> 00:55:01,660
Speaker 2: now they've perfected it. So you've got Deadpool is when

1219
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:02,300
Speaker 2: he was deranged.

1220
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: And then after that, everything was coming out much more smoothly.

1221
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 4: So Deadpool is the last, like, broken egg.

1222
00:55:08,660 --> 00:55:11,060
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure a broken egg that's scrambled the

1223
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: way he is, that walks into a church, I don't,

1224
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 2: I mean, God can reach.

1225
00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:17,930
Speaker 4: The deranged for sure, but I'm not sure.

1226
00:55:17,969 --> 00:55:23,430
Speaker 2: Like, some people, I went to In-N-Out, how many people

1227
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:28,180
Speaker 2: go to In-N-Out? My wife and I went to In-N-Out

1228
00:55:28,510 --> 00:55:30,339
Speaker 2: the other night, and I said, Joy, you should have

1229
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,819
Speaker 2: been here with me when I was alone the other day,

1230
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you, because at In-N-Out, it's now

1231
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: apparently okay to have your children with their shoes stand

1232
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,700
Speaker 2: on the tables and stomp, and my wife and I

1233
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:43,390
Speaker 2: are like, We would never have let our kids do that,

1234
00:55:43,489 --> 00:55:45,790
Speaker 2: but these crazy parents are letting these kids with these

1235
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:48,489
Speaker 2: dirty feet stomp and walk on tables that.

1236
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:49,430
Speaker 1: You're going to eat food from.

1237
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: Okay? But I said, Joy, I can go to you

1238
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: one better.

1239
00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:55,980
Speaker 10: I was in here five days ago, my favorite In-N-Out,

1240
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,500
Speaker 10: and at that table.

1241
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: There was a deranged dude playing his phone, super volume.

1242
00:56:02,219 --> 00:56:04,860
Speaker 10: I don't know what he was watching, soap operas or something,

1243
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 10: but he was just nodding to it, eating his food.

1244
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,669
Speaker 4: And then the guy next to him, which looked like

1245
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:12,890
Speaker 4: I thought he was a respectable dude, he dialed up

1246
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:14,350
Speaker 4: a call and had a call.

1247
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:15,950
Speaker 2: On speakerphone right next to me.

1248
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:19,500
Speaker 4: I don't think going to church on a Sunday is

1249
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,380
Speaker 4: going to help either of those dudes. Okay?

1250
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,470
Speaker 10: I don't think he's not going to listen to his

1251
00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:26,509
Speaker 10: TV at full bore and in and out. And I

1252
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:29,029
Speaker 10: don't think he's not going to make calls for all

1253
00:56:29,050 --> 00:56:31,570
Speaker 10: of us to hear and listen in. So, deranged people

1254
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:33,570
Speaker 10: walking to a church on Sunday are irrelevant.

1255
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:38,670
Speaker 4: Are we done? We've got one final question here. I

1256
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 4: have been such a disappointment. I'm so sorry. Yes? Hi,

1257
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:43,980
Speaker 4: I'm Caroline.

1258
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,259
Speaker 2: Do you think that Christianity has found its way into

1259
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,779
Speaker 2: the Marvel Universe without the creators intending it?

1260
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,940
Speaker 4: You tell me. I don't see it. Am I missing something?

1261
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,509
Speaker 4: I think, look, you guys, we have never been in

1262
00:56:57,550 --> 00:56:59,430
Speaker 4: a world... Okay, so.

1263
00:56:59,310 --> 00:57:01,430
Speaker 2: I'm driving here. I'm talking to my best friend as

1264
00:57:01,469 --> 00:57:04,350
Speaker 2: I'm driving here. And I'm getting on the freeway on

1265
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: Imperial Highway. And I'm over in the lane. And the

1266
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:11,930
Speaker 2: car in front of me is now blinking rapidly. They

1267
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:13,730
Speaker 2: need to get out of the lane. They do not

1268
00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:16,810
Speaker 2: want to get on the freeway. And there's plenty of road.

1269
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:20,930
Speaker 2: I just redid my license yesterday. Because I'm old, they

1270
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:21,820
Speaker 2: made me take the test.

1271
00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:24,100
Speaker 4: I was so ticked off. But I'm sitting there reading

1272
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:25,980
Speaker 4: all these rules of the road, and I'm acing it.

1273
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: So I'm reading this, and it's talking about what you're

1274
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:30,290
Speaker 4: allowed to do and how many. This person was doing it.

1275
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,100
Speaker 4: They wanted out of the lane. They don't want to

1276
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:32,620
Speaker 4: go on the freeway.

1277
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,020
Speaker 2: The cars next to them closed them off and would

1278
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: not let them. And I'm literally like, let.

1279
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 4: This person, they want out of the lane. What is

1280
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:42,380
Speaker 4: wrong with the society? No, you're not going to get

1281
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:42,940
Speaker 4: in my space.

1282
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,670
Speaker 2: We are living in the most difficult times of my

1283
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:47,810
Speaker 2: lifetime and I know of yours.

1284
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:49,510
Speaker 4: It's not even close.

1285
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:52,230
Speaker 2: I can't speak to the World War II era or

1286
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:54,930
Speaker 2: any stuff like that, but I was born during Vietnam.

1287
00:57:55,290 --> 00:57:57,350
Speaker 4: And so I've seen the world. I remember like, mom,

1288
00:57:57,390 --> 00:57:59,470
Speaker 4: why is the president getting on the plane and waving

1289
00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:02,140
Speaker 4: at us? And she was like, oh, he's resigning. So

1290
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: I was there when Nixon said bye-bye. So, I mean,

1291
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,540
Speaker 4: I've been there. I've seen humiliation of presidents. I've been there.

1292
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: We are at the most supercharged that we've ever been. But,

1293
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,140
Speaker 2: come on, we have to share our faith. And if

1294
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:17,300
Speaker 2: you want to make a comic where somebody prays or

1295
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: proclaims their belief, you do that. But I'm not sure

1296
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: that that's going to make it through the systems that

1297
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: are so heavily now... There's guardrails.

1298
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:28,410
Speaker 4: And I think.

1299
00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:32,830
Speaker 2: You guys, it used to be being a Christian was

1300
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:35,670
Speaker 2: something like, you know, proclaiming your faith.

1301
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:37,030
Speaker 4: That's why I thought I was bold in doing it

1302
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:38,410
Speaker 4: when I was a kid.

1303
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Speaker 2: Anyone who met me, they'd know my dad's a minister,

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Speaker 2: and I'm of the faith, and some people didn't want

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Speaker 2: anything to do with me.

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Speaker 4: It brought me closer to others.

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Speaker 2: I have some great friends who are hardcore atheists, not

1308
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Speaker 2: just the one you mentioned, like five of them, and

1309
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Speaker 2: they're in the business.

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Speaker 4: And they'll say to me, like, do you really give

1311
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: some money to your church?

1312
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Speaker 1: And I say, I do. I tithe.

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Speaker 2: Ugh.

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Speaker 4: And I get told that I'm nuts for that. But

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Speaker 4: that's okay. That doesn't change my intention whatsoever.

1316
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Speaker 2: So I just believe that these giant corporations now, they

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Speaker 2: protect and have.

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Speaker 4: guardrails and all that stuff. So do I want that

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Speaker 4: to be the case?

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Do I think it's... You show me, and then I'll know. Okay,

1322
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:17,390
Speaker 4: here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's in the Marvel Universe, but I

1324
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Speaker 1: think it's more subtle. So, for example, take Infinity War

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Speaker 1: and Endgame.

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Speaker 5: Builds up ten years of the most epic storytelling possible

1327
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:32,170
Speaker 5: trying to tell the greatest hero imaginable.

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Speaker 1: Who's the greatest hero?

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Speaker 5: The one who willingly lays down his life for another.

1330
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Speaker 5: So in Infinity War, you have Captain America saying, we

1331
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Speaker 5: do not exchange lives until only one out of 14

1332
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Speaker 5: million ways to save the universe is for Iron Man

1333
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Speaker 5: to willingly lay his life down. So I think of like,

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Speaker 5: and you can tell me if you think I'm crazy,

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Speaker 5: we're pushing time here. But I think of, I forget

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Speaker 5: all the names you give this, when Thanos is throwing

1337
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Speaker 5: off Gamora because you have to sacrifice something in love

1338
01:00:06,430 --> 01:00:10,340
Speaker 5: to get the Soul Stone, and she's like, this is

1339
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 5: not real love. Real love does not sacrifice another. Real

1340
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Speaker 5: love lays his own life down. I think it's all

1341
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Speaker 5: over the Marvel Universe. It's just not in your face.

1342
01:00:22,060 --> 01:00:24,350
Speaker 5: I think it's in Fantastic Four. The question, would I

1343
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Speaker 5: give up my child To save the entire universe. I

1344
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 5: think these themes are woven through subtly in ways people

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Speaker 5: don't even see.

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Speaker 1: I can keep going on. We're pushing time.

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Speaker 4: I love this guy. I don't think you're crazy. My

1348
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:46,820
Speaker 4: name is Diego. I'm part of the CMA program here

1349
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Speaker 4: at Biola. I think Ray West could be here. Thank

1350
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,740
Speaker 4: you so much for coming here.

1351
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Speaker 8: And speaking as a personal CMA goober who's trying to

1352
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Speaker 8: express his art and trying to go out into the crazy,

1353
01:01:02,570 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 8: scary world of LA, what advice do you give to

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Speaker 8: all Christians as we try to move forward through media,

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01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 8: through art, through what we try to do and how

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Speaker 8: can we better glorify that with the big red kills

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Speaker 8: of whatever the world tries to do on us.

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Speaker 4: So here's the deal, man.

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Speaker 2: I've told you, I have never shied away. I really,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you right now, it's just, you know,

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Speaker 2: other people will say mumbo jumbo. I said it the

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Speaker 2: last time.

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Speaker 4: I have a really good friend.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the accent again this time.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 2: But he, all of my atheist comic book friends, and

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Speaker 2: there are many of them, and I think they think

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Speaker 2: I'm a lunatic for the way I believe, but I

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Speaker 2: have never compromised once.

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Speaker 4: And they'll say things to me like, you go to

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Speaker 4: church on Sundays? I do. And I don't feel like

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Speaker 4: God calls like, oh, Rob, you better go. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what I told my kids when I would drive

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Speaker 4: them every week.

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Speaker 2: I said, guys, the church is open every Sunday for

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Speaker 2: us to go join with other believers and to celebrate

1377
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Speaker 2: and to rejoice and to be in fellowship with others.

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Speaker 4: And I try and take that opportunity every time I can.

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Speaker 2: And I hope as you grow up, you'll see it

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Speaker 2: the same way. I don't believe, you know, there was

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Speaker 2: a member of my family that someone got very concerned

1382
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Speaker 2: about because they stopped going to church. I don't believe,

1383
01:02:21,570 --> 01:02:23,810
Speaker 2: they didn't change their lifestyle, they just stopped going to church.

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Speaker 2: And it was a final alarm fire for somebody in

1385
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Speaker 2: my family. I'm like, yeah, that's probably not where you

1386
01:02:28,810 --> 01:02:29,990
Speaker 2: should put your focus, okay?

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Speaker 4: You don't know the walk that that person is having. But,

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Speaker 4: so when people ask, do you go to church?

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Speaker 1: Do you tithe?

1390
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Speaker 4: Are you crazy? You give how much to the church?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's between me and my convictions.

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Speaker 4: But here's where I'm getting at. I would tell you

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Speaker 4: going into the arts, do not abandon your faith.

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Speaker 2: There is no good reason for you to not be

1395
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Speaker 2: exactly who you are right now. If you are a believer,

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Speaker 2: if you love the Lord, go and be a believer

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Speaker 2: and love the Lord in that business. You will be

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Speaker 2: shocked at the conversations you have, at the relationships you meet. Somewhere,

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Speaker 2: someone down the line went to church, read a Bible,

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Speaker 2: had an experience, and it makes you tremendously more To

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01:03:14,260 --> 01:03:20,590
Speaker 2: compromise yourself is just gonna, I believe, set you back

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01:03:20,650 --> 01:03:23,990
Speaker 2: from your goals. I don't know, I think you have

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Speaker 2: to embrace, I have never once compromised, and I wanna

1404
01:03:27,730 --> 01:03:32,180
Speaker 2: draw goofy superheroes, okay? I mean, the stuff I draw

1405
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Speaker 2: is lunatic, and write is crazy stuff. But I'm blessed.

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Speaker 2: My career, you know, I did a book in 1993

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Speaker 2: called Profit, I was at the top of my game,

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Speaker 2: selling a million of everything I touched.

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Speaker 4: For 10 years, everything I sold was top of the charts.

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Speaker 2: And I told my kids, like I had this, what

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01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:53,130
Speaker 2: you call the Midas touch, but I knew it wasn't

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 4: It was, I was being blessed.

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Speaker 2: So I thought, man, you know what I'm going to

1415
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Speaker 2: do now? I'm going to do a book and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to put Bible verses in it. And John Prophet

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Speaker 2: is inspired by the word of the Lord. And so

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Speaker 2: there's Prophet number one, 1993. There's Bible verses all through

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Speaker 2: it as he's fighting and battling robots. So he's not

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Speaker 2: like Samson breaking people's jaws and dropping temples on people.

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Speaker 4: So it's just robots. But he's got scripture.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting scripture in Bibles.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you, did I see the

1424
01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:27,870
Speaker 2: targets on me increase? And that's a pretty big way to.

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Speaker 4: Announce to people.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't see that in Captain America or Iron

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Speaker 2: Man or Batman with scripture.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying I should. I don't need Batman

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Speaker 4: to have scripture. I enjoy Batman for Batman.

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Speaker 1: Or Spider-Man for Spider-Man.

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Speaker 4: But I chose this route. Because I wanted to be

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Speaker 4: more vocal.

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Speaker 2: And I've done weirdo comics, man. Where Jesus comes off

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Speaker 2: the cross and beats up all the other gods.

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Speaker 4: And I just wanted to do it. It's like all

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Speaker 4: the other gods were making fun of Christ on the cross. Like,

1437
01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:56,570
Speaker 4: look at him, silly Jesus.

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01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:59,810
Speaker 1: And Jesus gets off the cross and beats the.

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Speaker 2: Crap out of Zeus and Odin and all the other

1440
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:04,510
Speaker 2: gods of Thor.

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Speaker 4: And it was just this weird... You want to talk

1442
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:09,310
Speaker 4: about high art? I don't know. But the.

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Speaker 2: Thing is, do not abandon your faith.

1444
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:18,260
Speaker 4: There is no reason.

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01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: Be genuine.

1446
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: Be authentic.

1447
01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:23,500
Speaker 2: That is what people relate to. And you know what?

1448
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,340
Speaker 2: I don't go to church to be blessed. It's not transactional.

1449
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,580
Speaker 4: You shouldn't go and be in your faith for God

1450
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,860
Speaker 4: to give you a great role. That's not what I'm saying.

1451
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 4: I want to make very clear what I'm not saying.

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01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:35,100
Speaker 1: But you will have.

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Speaker 2: I think, a better experience in the arts if you

1454
01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:41,890
Speaker 2: are authentic and if you don't, I'm just going to

1455
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:43,970
Speaker 2: say it again, abandon your faith, okay?

1456
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Speaker 15: I'm part of the CMA program, and Rob, I first

1457
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Speaker 15: want to say, absolutely love your work.

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01:05:49,090 --> 01:05:49,710
Speaker 4: Thank you, sir!

1459
01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:53,940
Speaker 2: I love the Deadpool characters, love the comics, love the movies.

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01:05:54,260 --> 01:05:58,500
Speaker 4: I especially love the gimmicks. For example, Taskmaster, always trying

1461
01:05:58,820 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 4: to get away from Deadpool.

1462
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,140
Speaker 2: But my personal favorite is seeing the fourth wall place.

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Speaker 17: And I wanted to ask you about that Is there

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,660
Speaker 17: any sort of secret sauce you have for the fourth

1465
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,220
Speaker 17: wall breaks?

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Speaker 2: And do you think there's an aspect of religion that

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01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,980
Speaker 2: helps with that? No.

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Speaker 4: That's the fastest. Thank you for that question. The last

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Speaker 4: part I'll just say no. So fourth wall characters.

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Speaker 2: So I have a podcast because I just like talking comics.

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Speaker 4: And I did an entire.

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Speaker 2: The fourth wall breaking comic starts with a character called

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Speaker 2: Howard the Duck. Hugely popular comic in the 70s. Went

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Speaker 2: on to be a terrible movie. But the comics were fun,

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01:06:35,890 --> 01:06:38,630
Speaker 2: and he would turn and talk to us. His comics

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01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:41,990
Speaker 2: were printed in 1976, 77, 78. Then She-Hulk breaks the

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Speaker 2: fourth wall. Then DC characters have some characters that break

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Speaker 2: the fourth wall. Jim Lee and I did a comic

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Speaker 2: in 1993 called Darker Image.

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Speaker 4: He had a character called Death Blow. I had a

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Speaker 4: character called Blood Wolf. 1993, Blood Wolf breaks the fourth.

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Speaker 2: Wall, talks directly at you, makes jokes, kills kind of

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01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:03,189
Speaker 2: a cable-looking character. And so that was my first time

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01:07:03,660 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: Breaking the fourth wall can be really funny.

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Speaker 4: So five years later, they put that application on Deadpool.

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Speaker 2: So Deadpool had been around about a decade, and now

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Speaker 2: they put that on there. And like I've said, if

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Speaker 2: that's why you like him, then that is a writer

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01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:19,430
Speaker 2: named Joe Kelly applied that fourth wall aspect to him.

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Speaker 2: What I can tell you is the dozens of statues

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Speaker 2: and the video games that came before that and his

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01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:31,330
Speaker 2: cartoon appearances and his toys on every toy shelf since 1993...

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Speaker 2: Deadpool was still so ridiculously popular, but if the fourth

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Speaker 2: wall broadened.

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Speaker 4: That and broadened the new audience, fantastic. But I don't

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Speaker 4: believe it has any... I'm sorry. The fourth wall, I

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Speaker 4: don't see the Christianity there. Are we ready in the back?

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 4: Hi, my name's Harry.

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Speaker 14: So obviously you've created some characters that aren't.

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Speaker 4: The traditional Christian role models.

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Speaker 14: So when you tell stories that are exploring those darker themes,

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01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:12,290
Speaker 14: how do you distinguish between portraying those things and compromising

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01:08:12,370 --> 01:08:17,750
Speaker 14: your faith? And how do you think meaningful Christian ideas

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01:08:17,790 --> 01:08:19,210
Speaker 14: can compromise characters like that?

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01:08:21,170 --> 01:08:23,969
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm going to go back to... I'm going

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01:08:24,010 --> 01:08:25,670
Speaker 2: to be as basic as I can. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: if you watch these two cats go at it on.

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Speaker 12: Social media, they're going to give you the deepest theological...

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 12: I remember my dad, he went to Talbot University and

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 12: got his master's and I remember sitting there and going,

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Speaker 12: what's a master's?

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Speaker 4: But my dad was deep into that.

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Speaker 2: Theology as well. These guys are going to slap you

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Speaker 2: and watch their videos and they're going to educate you.

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I tell fantasy stories that I think fall on the

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Speaker 2: side of good entertainment. but certainly characters are corrupted they

1519
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Speaker 2: are compromised it's all part of the hero's journey so

1520
01:09:08,370 --> 01:09:10,910
Speaker 2: as I said earlier and it's not a comment it's

1521
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:14,450
Speaker 2: my life I'm sitting in front of you today.

1522
01:09:14,290 --> 01:09:15,929
Speaker 4: Because I made comic books for 41 years.

1523
01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:19,290
Speaker 2: And I get to tell stories, and people have a

1524
01:09:19,330 --> 01:09:25,700
Speaker 2: curiosity about that. And so I don't sit down and go,

1525
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:28,740
Speaker 2: how am I going to glorify the Lord with this story? No,

1526
01:09:28,780 --> 01:09:30,740
Speaker 2: I'm going to glorify the Lord by making the story,

1527
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:32,710
Speaker 2: by using the talents he gave me.

1528
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,340
Speaker 4: And then I'll talk about it after I put it

1529
01:09:36,460 --> 01:09:39,929
Speaker 4: into the world. So again, I will.

1530
01:09:39,790 --> 01:09:42,410
Speaker 2: Tell you, I mentioned last time, and I know I'll

1531
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:44,770
Speaker 2: try and keep this really brief. Samson was one of

1532
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:46,650
Speaker 2: my heroes of the Bible when I was a kid.

1533
01:09:48,030 --> 01:09:54,580
Speaker 2: Killed the lion and killed the Philistines. Killed so many Philistines.

1534
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,590
Speaker 4: I've got to be honest. Turned me on as a kid,

1535
01:09:56,790 --> 01:10:00,300
Speaker 4: how violent Samson was. I mean, he was killing everybody.

1536
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,660
Speaker 4: And I was like, this guy is rad, and God

1537
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: gave him the strength, and then he is a complete dumbass.

1538
01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:14,430
Speaker 4: He is a complete dumbass. I'm glad that we love

1539
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:16,710
Speaker 4: the violence as much as I do.

1540
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:23,130
Speaker 2: As I grew older, I learned, Samson really had very, very, very, very, very,

1541
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:24,250
Speaker 2: very few in.

1542
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:24,990
Speaker 1: The kingdom of God.

1543
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:29,460
Speaker 4: He is a complete loser who the Lord uses.

1544
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:36,650
Speaker 2: No, he lies, he cheats, he steals, he's a mocker,

1545
01:10:37,729 --> 01:10:38,690
Speaker 2: but God used him.

1546
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:41,050
Speaker 4: And I believe that's an allegory for all of our lives.

1547
01:10:41,229 --> 01:10:44,990
Speaker 2: Because literally, I mean, God gives Samson the secret and

1548
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:45,689
Speaker 2: because he.

1549
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:49,700
Speaker 18: Loves Samson, He's enthralled or in full lust. He's like, hey, babe,

1550
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 18: let me tell you how to kill me. And she does.

1551
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 18: She puts him in a position where he's now captive.

1552
01:10:56,020 --> 01:10:58,650
Speaker 2: And then at the end of his life, when he

1553
01:10:58,689 --> 01:11:03,150
Speaker 2: knows it's over, he asks God, come upon me. Use

1554
01:11:03,170 --> 01:11:04,870
Speaker 2: me one last time. And God's like, I can do that.

1555
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:07,870
Speaker 2: I can drop this entire temple on these scumbags.

1556
01:11:08,010 --> 01:11:10,309
Speaker 4: And he does. But I thought he was a hero.

1557
01:11:10,340 --> 01:11:12,100
Speaker 4: And he was even marketed as hero of the Bible.

1558
01:11:12,140 --> 01:11:15,260
Speaker 2: But as an adult, you understand, he's a deeply, deeply, deeply,

1559
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:19,700
Speaker 2: deeply flawed man but he's used for God's glory.

1560
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,860
Speaker 4: So if I'm flawed but used for glory, then I

1561
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:24,620
Speaker 4: had a good day.

1562
01:11:24,650 --> 01:11:27,350
Speaker 1: Hey, we're pushing time here, but we got one more

1563
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:27,769
Speaker 1: in the back.

1564
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:28,670
Speaker 4: We're ready to go.

1565
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:30,370
Speaker 1: I know you want one up here, but let's go

1566
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:32,150
Speaker 1: back here. Got to be quick.

1567
01:11:32,210 --> 01:11:34,510
Speaker 4: Go. Hello. Thank you, first of all, so much for

1568
01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:39,210
Speaker 4: coming out. I just wanted to ask, in your time

1569
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:40,849
Speaker 4: when you created Deadpool, you said there.

1570
01:11:40,689 --> 01:11:44,170
Speaker 13: Was such a landscape of dark, gritty characters, and so

1571
01:11:44,189 --> 01:11:45,929
Speaker 13: you were able to find a niche that was different

1572
01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:46,290
Speaker 13: than that.

1573
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how much you.

1574
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,860
Speaker 13: Still follow comics and still follow sort of pop culture media,

1575
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,269
Speaker 13: but in today's world, do you see any sort of

1576
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:57,650
Speaker 13: themes that are overly portrayed and maybe a niche that

1577
01:11:57,670 --> 01:12:01,010
Speaker 13: is not so much used that somebody could create a

1578
01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:02,309
Speaker 13: character out of right now?

1579
01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:03,980
Speaker 4: You know what I see?

1580
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: I see a lot of, I maybe see a leaning

1581
01:12:06,420 --> 01:12:11,620
Speaker 2: more towards, like we've seen so many compromised characters. And

1582
01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:14,460
Speaker 2: the one thing I liked about James Gunn's Superman movie

1583
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:16,820
Speaker 2: is Superman was back to being the Superman of my youth.

1584
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,059
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. He's a good guy who wants

1585
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: to help people.

1586
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 2: And as I've said, Schuster and Siegel created, and they

1587
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,700
Speaker 2: come of Jewish backgrounds, and they were very honest in

1588
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:35,229
Speaker 2: how the Christ story was inspirational for Superman. And if

1589
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:39,130
Speaker 2: you look at it, he's sent away. It's Superman meets Moses.

1590
01:12:39,370 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 2: It's the whole Superman story. and then he's kind of

1591
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,500
Speaker 2: like a man who can perform all these great miracles.

1592
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,580
Speaker 4: But he serves others.

1593
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,729
Speaker 2: He's this incredibly selfless person, and that's what I grew

1594
01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:50,410
Speaker 2: up with, and I saw so much of Christ in Superman.

1595
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:54,850
Speaker 2: So I would love to see just more do-gooders and less,

1596
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:56,850
Speaker 2: I've seen so many characters that I grew up and

1597
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: I loved, and even recently that.

1598
01:12:58,070 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 4: Have been compromised and turned into, like, why did they

1599
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 4: do this?

1600
01:13:01,700 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: Did they just think that this character needs to be

1601
01:13:04,340 --> 01:13:07,100
Speaker 2: kind of super compromised now in order to be relatable?

1602
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:12,849
Speaker 2: So I think James Gunn, Superman, and then still Chris

1603
01:13:12,910 --> 01:13:14,169
Speaker 2: Evans as Captain America.

1604
01:13:14,189 --> 01:13:17,830
Speaker 4: He is the ultimate awesome Boy Scout. We root him on.

1605
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:20,950
Speaker 1: They haven't messed him up yet. Please don't mess him up, Robert.

1606
01:13:21,210 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see him next to Deadpool 2 in December.

1607
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,799
Speaker 2: Literally don't think that's happening.

1608
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,740
Speaker 4: Wait till Secret Wars.

1609
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:40,059
Speaker 6: Hi, my name is Nathan.

1610
01:13:40,310 --> 01:14:04,930
Speaker 17: In Death Pool of Rain, As a theology geek and

1611
01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:10,430
Speaker 17: raging Marvel addict, what was your reaction when Devil Clothes,

1612
01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:12,450
Speaker 17: I'm Marvel Jesus.

1613
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:16,010
Speaker 4: I had family members tell me they were praying for me.

1614
01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:16,730
Speaker 4: That's my answer.

1615
01:14:17,380 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: Because one side of me was.

1616
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,500
Speaker 4: Like, whoa, that's heretic.

1617
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,580
Speaker 17: And the other side of me was, it's still pretty funny.

1618
01:14:28,990 --> 01:14:30,310
Speaker 4: Let me take this. This is a great way to

1619
01:14:30,350 --> 01:14:32,130
Speaker 4: end it because I did cost my family. It cost

1620
01:14:32,170 --> 01:14:33,350
Speaker 4: me friendships in my family.

1621
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:38,790
Speaker 2: People took to Facebook publicly, family members, to accost me,

1622
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:42,740
Speaker 2: drag me out into the town square and say, like.

1623
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 4: And these people know my heart. And I had nothing

1624
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 4: to do with that. But I was publicly being flogged.

1625
01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:54,139
Speaker 4: And you know the easiest thing to do? Flog.

1626
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 3: Flog.

1627
01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:55,059
Speaker 1: Flog.

1628
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,700
Speaker 4: And I don't... associated.

1629
01:14:57,300 --> 01:14:58,300
Speaker 1: With those people anymore.

1630
01:14:58,340 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 4: I don't have any tolerance for that.

1631
01:15:00,580 --> 01:15:04,180
Speaker 2: I understand, see, I also understand that it is, in

1632
01:15:04,220 --> 01:15:07,500
Speaker 2: many ways, the heretic aspect of it.

1633
01:15:09,979 --> 01:15:13,580
Speaker 4: And so, but I can't change that it was put

1634
01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:15,620
Speaker 4: into the world. And I can't change that it was

1635
01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:16,979
Speaker 4: attached to him.

1636
01:15:17,420 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: And I'd be.

1637
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:25,130
Speaker 2: Lying if I didn't laugh, okay? Ryan Reynolds could read

1638
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:28,070
Speaker 2: The phone book would make me laugh, okay? He's got

1639
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:32,340
Speaker 2: that way he talks with that voice. My wife has

1640
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:37,019
Speaker 2: a great Ryan Reynolds imitation. But like I said, I

1641
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: was immediately condemned and judged. And do you think that's

1642
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: what the good Lord wants us to do?

1643
01:15:42,140 --> 01:15:42,580
Speaker 4: He doesn't.

1644
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:47,059
Speaker 2: It's the plague of social media. And unfortunately, like I said,

1645
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: that person revealed their character to me. And so rather than,

1646
01:15:51,020 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: I was really put on the roaster. I just was like,

1647
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,330
Speaker 2: what we should all do sometimes, those people just want

1648
01:15:58,350 --> 01:16:00,410
Speaker 2: to take my energy and engage it in the worst

1649
01:16:00,530 --> 01:16:01,030
Speaker 2: possible way.

1650
01:16:01,450 --> 01:16:04,049
Speaker 4: I need to move on and continue to do.

1651
01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:06,330
Speaker 2: Me, so I just left that behind. I don't know

1652
01:16:06,370 --> 01:16:08,450
Speaker 2: if that's the answer you're looking for, but that's my life.

1653
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:09,530
Speaker 5: Sorry.

1654
01:16:10,979 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: Rob, that's a good answer.

1655
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:19,019
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1656
01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:22,550
Speaker 1: Super sad to me that that happened to you. I

1657
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:24,939
Speaker 1: laughed at that scene, for the record. It didn't bother

1658
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:25,490
Speaker 1: me at all.

1659
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,979
Speaker 5: Like, given the character and the nature of it, I'm like, oh,

1660
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 5: that makes sense you would say that.

1661
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: So, Southern Baptist upbringing, baby.

1662
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,540
Speaker 1: No, I get it. We, uh, one of our arts,

1663
01:16:36,580 --> 01:16:40,300
Speaker 1: how many of you are part of the CMA program here?

1664
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 5: We have one of the top cinema meeting arts programs,

1665
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,820
Speaker 5: I think, anywhere, especially in the Christian world, have a

1666
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,740
Speaker 5: new huge theater that came up And the head of

1667
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,189
Speaker 5: our whole program worked on things like The Walking Dead.

1668
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:53,110
Speaker 1: You might know Kirkman.

1669
01:16:53,130 --> 01:16:55,210
Speaker 5: I would assume you know Kirkman.

1670
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:57,970
Speaker 1: Just amazing to really teach your wisdom.

1671
01:16:57,550 --> 01:17:02,550
Speaker 5: And discernment, but also kindness towards people who maybe navigate

1672
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 5: some of these issues differently than we would according to

1673
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,380
Speaker 5: our Christian convictions.

1674
01:17:06,979 --> 01:17:09,380
Speaker 1: Can we pray for you? Go ahead. Just pray that

1675
01:17:09,420 --> 01:17:11,860
Speaker 1: God will bless you. Do you want to pray, Scott?

1676
01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:12,460
Speaker 4: I would love to.

1677
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:13,940
Speaker 1: Can we just lift a hand up for Rob as

1678
01:17:13,979 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: he enters back?

1679
01:17:15,090 --> 01:17:17,830
Speaker 7: Dearly Father, Lord, thank you so much for an opportunity tonight, Lord,

1680
01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:20,330
Speaker 7: just ultimately talk about you, Lord, and to glorify you.

1681
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:22,729
Speaker 1: Lord, I pray for Rob as he heads back into.

1682
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:24,610
Speaker 4: The comic book world, to the film media, Lord, that.

1683
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,460
Speaker 1: You would just use him as a light.

1684
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,059
Speaker 7: And that when people are lost, Lord, they would look

1685
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,059
Speaker 7: to Rob and be able to see hope, be able

1686
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,540
Speaker 7: to see Jesus in him, Lord.

1687
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: So I thank you, and you are worthy of all

1688
01:17:33,820 --> 01:17:34,340
Speaker 1: of our praise.

1689
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 4: In Jesus' name, amen. All right, last name, last name.

1690
01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:40,590
Speaker 5: Do you have any question that jumped out to you

1691
01:17:40,650 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 5: from the last one?

1692
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:42,570
Speaker 1: That was a thoughtful question.

1693
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,910
Speaker 4: Let's give it to the Wikipedia guy.

1694
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:49,990
Speaker 1: Wikipedia guy. Next course, number one.

1695
01:17:50,050 --> 01:17:50,910
Speaker 4: Come on up here.

1696
01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:53,470
Speaker 5: The rest of you, thanks for coming. We pushed the time.

1697
01:17:53,530 --> 01:17:55,110
Speaker 5: Give a hand for Rob one more time.

1698
01:17:55,130 --> 01:17:56,380
Speaker 4: Thank you, everybody. Thank you.