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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett inside the Beltway where it's a frigid

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Speaker 1: nineteen degree he's at this hour. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 1: It's been a very dark weekend and in the season

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Speaker 1: of light that is Christmas and Hanukah together, I hate

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Speaker 1: it that I have to open up a week's shows

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Speaker 1: this way, but we cannot ignore the news. There's a

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Speaker 1: horrific massacre down under sixteen are dead at Bondai Beach

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Speaker 1: at a Honka celebration. I do not know that every

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Speaker 1: one of the dead victims is Jewish. I suspect they are.

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Speaker 1: They haven't told me. The killers were Islamists. One of

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Speaker 1: the heroes was a Muslim who took down one of

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Speaker 1: the killers. And we also lost two American servicemen, an

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Speaker 1: American civilian in Syria, but the massacre of Jews down

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Speaker 1: Under after two years of warning by the Jewish community

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Speaker 1: of Australia to an indifferent and deaf left wing government

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Speaker 1: of the rising threat of Islamist violence, sickens me and

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Speaker 1: not a sicken you. It is globalize the Intifada made

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Speaker 1: real and deadly. That's what that term means. May Or

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Speaker 1: elect Mamdani. And though it's not the language you use,

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Speaker 1: it's the language you didn't condemn. It's the language of

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Speaker 1: mass murderers everywhere. There was a plot broken up in

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Speaker 1: New York, there was a plot broken up in Germany.

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Speaker 1: Jews apparently have become fair game for radical Islamists everywhere

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Speaker 1: in the world. Though the war in Gaza is in

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Speaker 1: a ceasefire, not about the war in Gaza, it's about

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Speaker 1: killing Jews. And the Doubles speak from people who want

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Speaker 1: to hide from the fact that the modern pograma is back.

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Speaker 1: Is neither persuasive, compelling or coherent. It's idiocy. And everyone

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Speaker 1: who has tried to apologize for Islamist violence or ignore it,

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Speaker 1: you can't and you're complicit with it. If you has

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Speaker 1: walked in a march that had globalize the Inada. In

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Speaker 1: it if you've chanted that blood's on your hand, because

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Speaker 1: that's the Australian Beach massacre. You're globalizing the Intifada. It

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Speaker 1: is licensing to kill Jews wherever they are, whether or

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Speaker 1: not they're Zionis. You have no idea. It's about hank

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Speaker 1: a service. You have no idea. I had my friend

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Speaker 1: Stephanie send a note which I think is a very

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Speaker 1: good one. If there's a hanic a service near you

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Speaker 1: and you're a gentile, go to it. Go to it.

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Speaker 1: Stand in solidarity with our Jewish friends and our Jewish

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Speaker 1: fellow citizens. Make yourself part of the target, and let

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Speaker 1: it be known that you won't go along with it.

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Speaker 1: And instead of making your entire contribution out to your

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Speaker 1: Christian church, make part of it out to a Jewish synagogue.

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Speaker 1: Our younger we are their younger brothers, we Christians. And

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Speaker 1: you ought to be sick, You really ought to be

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Speaker 1: sick at what happened there. You also have to be

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Speaker 1: sick at what happened at Brown for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 1: They're at an exam. I remember exams both at law school.

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Speaker 1: On underground. Your tense, you're focused up all night you've worked,

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Speaker 1: you've crammed. It's an engineering building. It doesn't mean they're engineers.

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Speaker 1: One of the victims was the chair of the Brown

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Speaker 1: was it aluwa akbar? Was it some sort of ideological declaration?

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Speaker 1: Was it anti Trump? I don't know, you don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know they screwed this up. The killer. I don't

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Speaker 1: even understand how this can happen. American university campuses are

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Speaker 1: This killer could literally be anywhere. It's been twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: You know, if are you even going twenty four hours now,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're searching the campus. Just send everyone home.

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Speaker 1: the real professionals. But that was horrific, And of course

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Speaker 1: Charlie's murder was part of that, but this is part

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Speaker 1: it's not. It might go into the category of mental breakdown,

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Speaker 1: pretending to be prepared, So maybe it was a break,

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Speaker 1: And I've been reporting on these things for thirty five

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Speaker 1: And you can usually divide them up into buckets pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Psychotics and ideologues. That's the first big buckets, and then

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Speaker 1: the idiologue subdivide islamis trans right winging white supremacists. But

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Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be because of a coherent plan to escape. Also,

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Speaker 1: The charges are trumped up, the charges are not true.

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Speaker 1: He's in solitary confinement, and he's ill. He's seventy eight

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Speaker 1: years old, diabetic, not been allowed to practice his Catholic faith.

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Speaker 1: I think Chairman G is trying to kill him. All

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Speaker 1: I can pray for and you can as well. Is

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Speaker 1: that having got their fake conviction and their ounce of

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Speaker 1: you they've stolen thousands of Ukrainian children, they have fired

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Speaker 1: thousands of millions at civilian They are a criminal regime

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Speaker 1: that defy anything. So that's the weekend. We'll talk more

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Speaker 1: about that with Ryan Salam in our number three. But

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Speaker 1: to bring for the very first time to the UWIT Show.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Salom, who is the president of the Manhattan Institute.

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Speaker 1: Before that he was executive editor of National been around

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Speaker 1: read his work for a long time. Ryan, Welcome, It's

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Speaker 1: good to meet you virtually through the magic of zoom

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Speaker 1: and on the radio and the Sale News channel. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining me today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Hugh, it's a great honor. I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: What I'd like to start with, I have a traditional

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Speaker 1: they're kind of wacky, but hanging with me, I'll explain it.

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Speaker 1: First of all, was Algie here's a communist spy?

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Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, the answer seems like

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Speaker 2: a resounding yes.

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Speaker 1: All right, correct number two? And have you read The

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Speaker 2: I am afraid I have not. I know that it's

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Speaker 2: an incredibly important book. I know that I ought to

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Speaker 2: read it, so I'm embarrassed to say that I have not.

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad to begin there. Ryan, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: cover with you today the work of the Institute and

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Speaker 1: then go into my for hotspots. But can you explain

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Speaker 1: to the audience what the Manhattan Institute does and does

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Speaker 2: The Manhattan Institute is a research and advocacy organization that

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Speaker 2: has a deep interest in the American future, in America's

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Speaker 2: a multi ethnic republic that celebrates achievement, excellence, that cultivates opportunity,

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Speaker 2: that is really a society that rewards hard work, that

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Speaker 3: We believe in the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: And how do you go about the work, Well, there.

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Speaker 2: Are a few different elements to how we do that, Hugh.

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Speaker 2: One thing we do that's a really long stany and

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Speaker 2: important commitment is we really believe in the power of

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Speaker 2: investigative journalism. So, you know, we're a small organization, but

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Speaker 2: we believe that. You know, what we can do to

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Speaker 2: through our magazine City Journal. We do a lot of

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Speaker 2: investigative journalism to really ensure that our core American institutions

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Speaker 2: a lot of time on higher education. We spend a

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Speaker 2: they're acting with integrity. That's why we look at K

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Speaker 2: twelve schools, How is the rising generation actually being taught.

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Speaker 2: order to be really effective. So journalism is a really

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Speaker 2: core part of that. We also have a number of

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Speaker 2: time and space in order to do long term projects

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Speaker 2: to understand how to reform and revitalize our institutions. So

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Speaker 2: those two elements of what we do really work in tandem.

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Speaker 2: One thing that we've done in recent years we've really

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Speaker 1: All. Right now, Ryan, I'm going to tell you that

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Speaker 1: Story number two Ryan is that the massacre at Brown,

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Speaker 2: Well, there are so many different aspects to this tragedy.

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Speaker 1: dealt with Stalin, but it seems to me moral clarity

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Speaker 1: is missing from the United States about that. Do you

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Speaker 1: think we can get that back? Is there any meaningful

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Speaker 1: it is run by Putin, and that we need to

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Speaker 1: call it out that way.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't need to tell you that the Russians

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Speaker 2: have demonstrated very clearly that they are willing to do

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Speaker 2: absolutely anything in order to divide Western societies in order

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Speaker 2: to kill not just Russian dissidents who dare to call

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Speaker 2: out the regime for the horrors that it's inflicted on

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Speaker 2: the Russian people. Let's leave aside the Ukrainian people. They

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Speaker 2: have been willing to engage in extra judicial, extra territorial killings, assassinations.

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Speaker 2: That represents a grave threat to our sovereignty. When you

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Speaker 2: look at the ways in which they've been willing to

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Speaker 2: eager to the ways that they've invested in disrupting our

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Speaker 2: information environment, you know, that's a real threat that we

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Speaker 2: conservatives need to be really mindful of. So when it

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Speaker 2: comes to getting to that moral clarity, you said it

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Speaker 2: yourself right now. A lot of Americans are feeling exhausted.

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Speaker 2: They are very concerned about whether we're husbanding our resources

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Speaker 2: to tackle domestic challenges that we face, social and cultural

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Speaker 2: challenges that we face. I get that, but look, the

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Speaker 2: Russians do represent a potent threat and we need to

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Speaker 2: be clear out about it. So are we going to

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Speaker 2: get there? I think that we will because I think

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Speaker 2: that this regime, it's going to prove out the evidence,

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Speaker 2: is going to be undeniable about what it is they

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Speaker 2: intend to do to us, and I think that a

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Speaker 2: lot of folks are going to have to wise up.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to continue my conversation with Ryan for a

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Speaker 1: couple more minutes about those things upon which we can

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Speaker 1: perhaps lay our hopes or post our hopes on That'll

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Speaker 1: be over at my YouTube podcast and on the podcast tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But I want to thank them on air for joining

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Speaker 1: me today at the Manhattan Institute. Must support Institution Cityjournal

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Speaker 1: dot org if you want to get the best magazine

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Speaker 1: in America. It's serious about ideas. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: So I'm back for one short off air segment with

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Speaker 1: Raihan Salam, who is the president of the Manhattan Institute,

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Speaker 1: because I can get bogged down with guests when I

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Speaker 1: talk about my two favorite solutions. The first is the

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Speaker 1: Constitution is interpreted by a Supreme Court of nine with

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Speaker 1: an originalist majority. Don'n hurt to have some sense to

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Speaker 1: argue about originalism, gonarok, But I think packing the court

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Speaker 1: would destroy the rule of law and that Democrats are

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Speaker 1: devoted to it. Manhattan inst nonpartisan. Don't want to get

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Speaker 1: you into trouble. But what do you think about court

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Speaker 1: packing and what it would do to the republic.

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Speaker 2: I believe it represents a very serious danger. It would

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Speaker 2: destabilize our entire system of government. It would open the

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Speaker 2: door to all sorts of really radical revisions to our

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Speaker 2: constitutional order that wouldn't just be revisions. That would be

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Speaker 2: an overturning of our constitutional order, a constitual order that

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Speaker 2: has fostered the greatest, powerful, most dynamic must prospers society

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Speaker 2: in the history of the world. So there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of folks who think that this is not going

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Speaker 2: to affect them directly, and I've got to tell you you're

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Speaker 2: wrong about that when you think about, Hey, all I

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Speaker 2: care about is living in a safe neighborhood. I care

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Speaker 2: about making a living. I care about supporting my kids

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Speaker 2: and grandkids. Let me tell you, court packing is something

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Speaker 2: that will endanger every single piece of that able to

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Speaker 2: stable all that is great and good in American life.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just really hope that that does

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Speaker 2: not become a serious possibility.

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Speaker 1: And then the second thing I have great confidence and

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Speaker 1: is the American military, especially It's Navy in terms of

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Speaker 1: countering the Chinese Communist Party, and it's People's Liberation Army

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Speaker 1: and Navy. Though they outbuild us, I think we're smarter,

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Speaker 1: better and more lethal than them, But I also think

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Speaker 1: we're quagmired a little bit. Do you folks at the

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Speaker 1: Institute spend much time thinking about American military power and

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Speaker 1: how to restructure it.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, an organization that has really focused on

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Speaker 2: domestic policy and battles of ideas. So to the extent

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Speaker 2: we look at the international scene, it is typically at

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Speaker 2: the level of ideology and ideas and the flow.

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Speaker 3: Of ideas across borders.

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you personally, as a citizen and

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Speaker 2: as a patriot, I do think about these issues very much.

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Speaker 2: It's a big question for me, and I think that

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Speaker 2: the domestic side of things that we do work on

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Speaker 2: relates directly to the international side of things.

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Speaker 3: If we're not.

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Speaker 2: Educating our young, if we are not fostering a belief

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Speaker 2: in American ideals, these are things that are going to

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Speaker 2: make our country deeply vulnerable to foreign actors.

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Speaker 3: That want to divide us and want to defeat us.

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Speaker 2: And also, look, we need to have a prosperous economy

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Speaker 2: that is capable of having the defense industrial base that

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Speaker 2: we need to win the coalitional.

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Speaker 3: Wars of the future.

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Speaker 2: I think that, you know, if you look at the

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Speaker 2: war that Ukraine is fighting for survival, the wars that

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Speaker 2: Israel is fighting for its survival, we're looking at that

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Speaker 2: next generation of warfare right now, and it's different from

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Speaker 2: what came before. It's different from the Gulf War, it's

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Speaker 2: different from the Cold War. It is fast moving, and

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Speaker 2: it's going to require a huge amount of economic and

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Speaker 2: technological innovation to stay ahead. And so those things that

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Speaker 2: seem domestic right now, they really have big, big implications for.

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Speaker 3: Whether or not our country is going to remain.

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Speaker 2: The most powerful, dynamic, great power in the world.

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Speaker 1: So my exit question, Ryan, I'm seventy or forty five.

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Speaker 1: When you're seventy and you're talking to the public intellectuals

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Speaker 1: who are forty five, you think we're going to be

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Speaker 1: in the same position that we are now, the superpower

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Speaker 1: to which China aspires. Are we going to be a

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Speaker 1: third rate power with to minimous impact on the world.

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Speaker 2: If I'm being entirely honest with you, I think the

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Speaker 2: path we're on right now is a path of relative decline.

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Speaker 2: I believe that we need to renew belief in the

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Speaker 2: American Promise, we need to renew belief in our constitutional order,

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Speaker 2: and fundamentally, Hugh, you and I come from different backgrounds.

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Speaker 2: My parents are immigrants who moved to New York City

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Speaker 2: in the mid nineteen seventies, and when I look at

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Speaker 2: the rising generation. You know, over a quarter of the

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Speaker 2: rising generation, they're either immigrants or second generation folks.

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Speaker 3: We need them to be bought in.

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Speaker 2: And we need Americans who who is you know, ancestors

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Speaker 2: been in the country since the seventeenth century. We need

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Speaker 2: them to be bought in as well. I believe that

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Speaker 2: you and I believe fundamentally when it comes down to

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Speaker 2: the most important things about governance, when it comes to

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Speaker 2: the fundamental questions about our values, our constitutional commitments.

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Speaker 3: I believe that you and I actually have a lot

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Speaker 3: in common.

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Speaker 2: I believe there's probably eighty nine ninety percent overlap because

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Speaker 2: even though we look different, even though we might sound different,

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Speaker 2: even though we might you know, have grown up, you know,

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Speaker 2: just going to I don't know, just going of having

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Speaker 2: different traditions here or.

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Speaker 1: The completely different at the world. Yeah, different world, that

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Speaker 1: different world. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But also look, I grew up in a world where

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Speaker 2: you know, I grew up around World War two veterans.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in a world where people had a memory.

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Speaker 2: They were telling stories about the storming of the beaches

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Speaker 2: at Normandy. They remembered what it looked like when the

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Speaker 2: odds were against us. They remembered what that meant they

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Speaker 2: had a sense of that fragility. And the people who

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Speaker 2: are younger than us, Hugh, I think my problem is

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Speaker 2: safety and security for granted. They've taken the idea that

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Speaker 2: our ideals are firmly entrenched and that they're bipartisan. They've

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Speaker 2: taken those things for granted, and now they believe that

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Speaker 2: they can embrace all manner of experiments. They can take

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Speaker 2: that prosperity for granted, then they can embrace different kinds

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Speaker 2: of radicalism, whether that's on the left or elements of

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Speaker 2: the far right. And what we need to do is

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Speaker 2: recommit people, and we need to tell our story in

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Speaker 2: a new, fresh way. Those of us on the right

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Speaker 2: need to acknowledge that we do need to be more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: We do need to recognize that we can't just be

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Speaker 2: champions of the status quo. You and I, in some

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Speaker 2: respects are the ones who have that sense of urgency

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Speaker 2: because we understand that what we have is incredibly precious

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Speaker 2: and fragile. And I worry that that sense is being lost.

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of people of your generation

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Speaker 2: and my generation who have a certain ingenuousness. They're naive,

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Speaker 2: they don't get what we're up against right now. And

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Speaker 2: everything that we do at the Manhattan Institute is about

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Speaker 2: that sense of urgency and that we need to win

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Speaker 2: the rising generation. We need a diverse coalition that is

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Speaker 2: embracing core constitutional conservatism. And they're doing it for reasons

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Speaker 2: that resonate with them and that are familiar with them,

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Speaker 2: that familiar with their story and their life experience, but

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Speaker 2: that also connects them to the past. I want our

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Speaker 2: past and our future to be linked together. And we

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Speaker 2: have a generation of people that has no sense of

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Speaker 2: the past. They take their inheritance for granted, if they

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Speaker 2: even understand it at all. That is a huge failure

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Speaker 2: of our core governing institutions, of our core educational institutions.

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Speaker 2: And it's a failure that you and I are going

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Speaker 2: to pay for that our kids and grandkids are paying

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Speaker 2: for right now, and we need to do something about

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Speaker 2: it right now.

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Speaker 1: That cannot be improved upon. So I'll end it there. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I hope you will be a regular visitor to the

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Speaker 1: q Huite Show. Sorry it took me so long to

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Speaker 1: extend the invitation. Next time we can talk about the

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Speaker 1: looming tower. But you're right about hiss, so we're going

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Speaker 1: to give you a complete past and that would wonderfully stated. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and I appreciate your time with me today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Hugh. It's an honor to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you much. Oh the weather outside is welcome back

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Speaker 1: to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, so happy to join now

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Speaker 1: with Senator Tom Cotton to cover Venezuela and a couple

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Speaker 1: of important issues. But Senator Cotton, Merry Christmas to you.

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Speaker 1: Can I can? I begin by asking if you've had

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Speaker 1: a chance to read the letter from Penny Pritzker from

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Speaker 1: Harvard yet that arrived in my inbox this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: No, Hugh, I haven't read it yet. I find any

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Speaker 5: number of thanks to do if I had received it.

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Speaker 5: Makes me wonder, why are you receiving letters from Penny Pritzker.

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Speaker 5: I hope you haven't been supporting Harvard financially all these years.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not, No, I'm not. But it is

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Speaker 1: addressed to the dear members of the Harvard community. So

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Speaker 1: I think you'll probably get two because you're not only

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Speaker 1: a college graduate, you're a law school graduate. I'm just

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Speaker 1: a college graduate. It includes within it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it arives within four to eight hours of the massacre

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Speaker 1: of Jews at the Honka celebration on the beach in Australia.

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Speaker 1: So I questioned the time, But in any event, it

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Speaker 1: includes this sentence. From restoring a sense of community during

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Speaker 1: a period of intense scrutiny and division, to launching vital

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Speaker 1: new programs on viewpoint, diversity and civil discourse, and instituting

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Speaker 1: new actions to fight anti Semitism as well as anti

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Speaker 1: Arab bias, Allen has not only stabilized the university but

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Speaker 1: brought us together in our shared in support of our

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Speaker 1: shared mission. I just want to know if you've ever

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Speaker 1: seen any anti Arab bias at Harvard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the exact opposite is the case to you. This

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Speaker 5: is a typical liberal trope when it comes to denouncing

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Speaker 5: anti Semitism. They can't simply just say that anti Semitism

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Speaker 5: is awful and it reveals a deep wrought in the

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Speaker 5: mind of those who hate Jews, and for that matter,

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Speaker 5: if it pesters in society, a deep rude inside society,

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Speaker 5: they have to always have to quit take and compare

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Speaker 5: it to anti Arab bios I asked, or whatever Penny

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Speaker 5: Prisker says, or Islamophobia, which of course is also bad

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Speaker 5: and should not be tolerated in polite society. But it's

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Speaker 5: obvious that we've had a rise in anti Semitism across

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Speaker 5: the world, and unfortunately here in America as well. It's

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Speaker 5: totally disproportionate to any kind of discrimination that Arabs have faced.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's also forty eight hours since Bond Beach Vondai

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Speaker 1: Beach was the scene of a massacre on Honika celebration.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they even gave a minute to thinking

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Speaker 1: about maybe we don't send this out today.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to get inside the minds of Harvard bureaucrats

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Speaker 5: to you, but I suspect probably not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And final question, have you seen anything in any

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Speaker 1: publication or any event that would indicate to you a

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Speaker 1: Harvard commitment to intellectual diversity or to complying with the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court's adamant demand that color blindness enter into the

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Speaker 1: admission process at every level.

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Speaker 5: Now, Hugh, I think it's adoption is true. All the evidence,

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Speaker 5: as well as common sense in the inherent logic events

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Speaker 5: suggest that they've been massively resisting that decision and that

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Speaker 5: they are not taking any steps to fulfill their requirements

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Speaker 5: under the law, whether it's race neutral admissions or protecting

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Speaker 5: the rights of Juish students on campus.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I just wanted to double check my initial

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Speaker 1: reactions to the latest appeal from the idiots running Harvard.

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Speaker 1: Let me move on to Venezuela. On Friday night, I

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Speaker 1: was on special report and Venezuela came up. I pointed

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Speaker 1: out in nineteen eighty nine, George HW Bush a lot

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Speaker 1: just cause twenty seven thousand American troops, twenty three of

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Speaker 1: them were KIA and many wounded, and no authority was

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Speaker 1: required of Congress. Some was sought thereafter after the fact

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Speaker 1: that was given a I was flooded with It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Things are different and b Venezuela is a bigger country.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any doubt in your mind that we

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Speaker 1: have the capacity to overthrow the Maduro regime? Well?

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Speaker 5: Here, first time to take back to the point you

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Speaker 5: made is the point I've made often. You have Democrats

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Speaker 5: who are up in arms and demands saying that Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump is acting unconstitutionally or even calling for impeachment because

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Speaker 5: he's simply blowing up a few boats in international waters

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Speaker 5: that are carrying drugs. Bow for our communities. It'll kill

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Speaker 5: kids across the Arkansas and across our nation. By contrasts,

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Speaker 5: George Bush invaded an entire country with a landforce and

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Speaker 5: overthrew its government. Why because the dictator there was a

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Speaker 5: US indicted drug trafficker. That's exactly what Nicholas Maduro is

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Speaker 5: as well. Yet the Democrats think Donald Trump can't blow

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Speaker 5: up a few boats in international waters. And yes, it

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Speaker 5: push came to shove you. Of course, we have what's

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Speaker 5: necessary from the military, economic, diplomatic standpoint when a face

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Speaker 5: off with Nicholas Maduro. That's one of the reasons why,

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Speaker 5: or one of the points that's been raised in the

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Speaker 5: seizure of that tanker that taker was thank that should

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Speaker 5: have been seized. If it had been transitting the Strait

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Speaker 5: of Malacca or the Persian Gulf, we would have seized it.

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Speaker 5: The drug boats are sple to ma Duro. They cost

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Speaker 5: his government money, but nothing like what seizing the so

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Speaker 5: called grafly of tankers taking sanctioned Venezuela oils in the

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Speaker 5: market will do.

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Speaker 1: I had Admiral mccraven on Thursday talking about his brand

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Speaker 1: new book, Conquering Crisis, which I encourage everyone to read,

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Speaker 1: and in it he details when he was a young

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Speaker 1: seal commander they grabbed an Iraqi tanker in the Indian

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Speaker 1: Ocean and nobody blinked it was it was the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do to Saddam in nineteen ninety after he

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Speaker 1: invaded Iraq's right. Senator Kine, your colleague from Virginia is

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Speaker 1: in full meltdown over the prospect of military action against Maduro.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever take him aside and calm him down?

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Speaker 5: I am not Hugh is a. Let's just say that

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Speaker 5: he is a particularly cramped view of what the president

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Speaker 5: can and should do to defend the nation. I think

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Speaker 5: it's genuinely held, but he's always introducing this or that

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Speaker 5: war powers resolution to try to stop the president from

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Speaker 5: taking action that I suspect you and I and most

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Speaker 5: are Kansons believe or international interests like stopping drugs and

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Speaker 5: flooding into our communities.

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Speaker 1: Well, there is a government in exile, I believe, the Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's ignored two elections in a row,

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Speaker 1: and I believe he's supported by the Cuban state. Is

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Speaker 1: There also an argument that posts Venezuela we turn our

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Speaker 1: attention because I think we'll do something of that is

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Speaker 1: that we turn our attention to Cuba because it remains

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Speaker 1: the mothership of instability in the all of the Central

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Speaker 1: and South America region.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, much like it did don at the Cold War, Hew,

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Speaker 5: Cuba is still, you know, working throughout Latin America filmenting

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Speaker 5: anti Americanism. I wouldn't even say necessarily huts after Venezuela

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Speaker 5: because those two governments are in a kind of embiotic relationship.

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Speaker 5: It appears that the tanker that we sees last week

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Speaker 5: was bound for Cuba. And ever since Maduro's predecessor, Hugo

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Speaker 5: Chavez came to power and paid homage the Castro regime

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Speaker 5: in Cuba, they've been working closely together. Venezuela has been

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Speaker 5: providing Cuba rate oil to help prop up its staling economy,

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Speaker 5: sale in society really, and in return, Cuba has provided

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Speaker 5: intelligence and security services uh to Venezuela. There was a time,

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Speaker 5: even in the first term, when it looked like Maduro

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Speaker 5: may have been looking for a way out, and I

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Speaker 5: think the Cuban indellen's officers around him told him he

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Speaker 5: needed to think twice now.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday Chile voted for a free markets, individual liberties government,

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Speaker 1: just like Argentina did, and just like Bolivia did. We

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Speaker 1: have less than a minute. Do you think by the

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Speaker 1: end of the term Donald Trump central to American maybe

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Speaker 1: Cuba will be significantly more free than when he began.

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Speaker 5: Certainly hope so Key. It's really important for Americans that

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Speaker 5: our own backyard has consisted of pro American governments who

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Speaker 5: want to work with us on a cooperative basis, to

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Speaker 5: stop drugs and flooding into our country, to stop migrants

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Speaker 5: from crossing their territory and entering our country, oftentimes associated

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Speaker 5: with criminal gangs, to have broader trading relationships with our

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Speaker 5: own Mechana Woods. And I think over the last four years,

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden, you saw Latin America trending to the left,

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Speaker 5: sometimes the far left. But it's been a welcome change

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Speaker 5: this first year on the second Trump term, and I

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Speaker 5: hope that continues over the next three years.

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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Senator Conton. I know you're

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Speaker 1: going to rush home and read your letter from Harvard,

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Speaker 1: but don't be trick. I'll be right back in America. Stay too.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. One of those faithful is former

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Speaker 1: Congressman Mike Gallagher. He used to be a weekly guest

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Speaker 1: on my show. Wait a minute, you're not wearing your

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Speaker 1: Browns gear. I thought we had a deal, Congressman Gallagher,

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Speaker 1: that you would have had your Browns gear on today.

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Speaker 6: I was rooting for the Browns yesterday when they played

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Speaker 6: the Bears. Unfortunately, much like the Packer season, which summarily

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Speaker 6: ended for all practical purposes, yesterday, in one of the

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Speaker 6: most tragic losses of my adult life, the Browns got

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Speaker 6: crushed by Lucago Bears.

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Speaker 1: What did you expect? The only team that lost to

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Speaker 1: them this year that was ranked was the Packers in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: I might go, I want to put that outside.

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Speaker 6: Let myself get my hopes up. You know, I just

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Speaker 6: reminded myself we lost to the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you lost of the brown Congressman. I asked you

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Speaker 1: on because we canceled the constellation Forget Forget last month.

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Speaker 1: And I said, oh my god, we're not building anything.

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Speaker 1: And then I see in my out of the corner

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Speaker 1: of my eye, Palenteer, for whom you work now is

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Speaker 1: going to help the Navy. And I stood up and applauded,

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Speaker 1: But tell me, how are you going to help the

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Speaker 1: navy because we got to build some ships.

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Speaker 6: On a We've said, Hugh, as we talked about basic

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Speaker 6: for eight years when I came on your show every week.

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Speaker 7: We're a maritime nation. It's our maritime.

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Speaker 6: Dominance has always relied on our industrial mind, our technological superiority,

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Speaker 6: earned ability to just crank out ships. But today that

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Speaker 6: supremacy is under threat. We're losing ground to China. China

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Speaker 6: shipbuilding capacities more than two hundred times ours last year,

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Speaker 6: trying to produce more ships in a single year that

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Speaker 6: we have since World War Two.

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Speaker 7: Our fleet's still going down.

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Speaker 6: And so what is exciting about the current moment is

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Speaker 6: that Congress made an investment in non traditional approaches to

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Speaker 6: naval shipbuilding in the Reconciliation. Builder's about six billion dollars

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Speaker 6: worth of non traditional big bets, one of which is

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Speaker 6: the application of artificial intelligence and autonomy to shipbuilding, so

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Speaker 6: that we can take a lot of the lessons we're

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Speaker 6: learning at the cutting edge of commercial software and where

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Speaker 6: that meets manufacturing and apply it to our maritime industrial base.

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Speaker 6: We've been doing alot with the Navy for the last

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Speaker 6: four months. The results have already proven to be transformative.

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Speaker 7: At one major shipbuilder where a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of things are behind schedule, we save twenty planning days

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Speaker 6: a week. Building a schedule used to take one hundred

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Speaker 6: and sixty hours four people's full time job.

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Speaker 7: It now takes ten minutes. At then the public yard

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Speaker 7: we took.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so imagine that multiplied across thousands of instances. We

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Speaker 6: projected two thousand, five hundred planning days safe per year

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Speaker 6: at a public yard. At a supplier, what's called the

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Speaker 6: manufacturing build materials process, it used to take two hundred hours.

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Speaker 6: It now takes them twelve seconds, just by using cutting

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Speaker 6: edge commercial AI enabled software and applying it to shipbuilding.

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Speaker 6: And also the final thing I'd say is we also

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Speaker 6: are going to build a tool for the Secretary of

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Speaker 6: the Navy and Navy leadership so they can track what's

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Speaker 6: happening in real time, so they now if and why

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Speaker 6: a particular ship or hall is behind schedule and what

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Speaker 6: they need to do to get it back on schedule.

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Speaker 6: That's how we restore our ship building advantage.

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Speaker 1: That's very encouraging. What does the Navy brass think about it?

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Speaker 1: What do the unions that the yards think about it.

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Speaker 7: Well, the Navy brass has been incredibly supportive.

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Speaker 6: I think you're going to see some other, you know,

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Speaker 6: non traditional approaches from this administration. But Secretary Falan announced

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Speaker 6: this project, what we're calling ship OS last week. He

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Speaker 6: was joined by Palanter CEO Alice Karp, and there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of enthusiasm in the Navy. And you know what's

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Speaker 6: been even more gratifying is that, based on the work

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Speaker 6: we've done already in the pilot, there's actual enthusiasm among

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Speaker 6: the shipbuilders, both public, private, and the suppliers because you know,

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Speaker 6: if you're a critical supplier, you make one part that's

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Speaker 6: necessary for the construction of a Virginia or a Columbia

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Speaker 6: class submarine, you're under an enormous pressure to deliver. But

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Speaker 6: maybe you don't have a commercial business, right and so

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Speaker 6: if the Navy's coming in and arming you with the

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Speaker 6: absolute best software tools in the world, it's a massive win.

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Speaker 6: And that actually leads to your second question, which is

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Speaker 6: I think there's a narrative out there that somehow AI

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Speaker 6: is going to be bad for jobs, and therefore unions

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Speaker 6: should be skeptical of artificial intelligence because it threatens jobs.

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Speaker 7: I think the exact opposite is true. I think what

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Speaker 7: you're going to see.

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Speaker 6: Particularly where artificial intelligence is deployed in heavy manufacturing industries

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Speaker 6: and deployed smartly like we do at Palents here where

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Speaker 6: we for deploy our software engineers to work hand in

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Speaker 6: hand with the shipyard workers, most of whom are union members,

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Speaker 6: is that it's actually going to make them more productive,

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Speaker 6: which means they're going to make a ton.

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Speaker 7: More money in the process.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there's going to be certain industries for or jobs,

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Speaker 6: largely middle management positions that AI might be able to replace.

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Speaker 6: But when it comes to human beings that can actually

869
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Speaker 6: make things, that are welding things that are necessary to

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Speaker 6: build things, I think artificial intelligence is going to be

871
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Speaker 6: like an iron Man suit wrapped around every shipyard worker.

872
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Speaker 6: And I think unions should could be a natural partner

873
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Speaker 6: in this effort to complement the political partnership you're seeing

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Speaker 6: President Trump make with certain unions around the country.

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Speaker 1: That's a great analogy. Tell me, how does it apply

876
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Speaker 1: not just to the old bigs, and we all know

877
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Speaker 1: general dynamics and electric book the old bigs, how about

878
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Speaker 1: the young upstarts like Anderill And there are many others

879
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Speaker 1: who are building non traditional and doing so in non

880
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Speaker 1: traditional work ways, do they embrace Pallet as well or

881
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Speaker 1: just the bigs.

882
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Speaker 6: Well, the goodness is for the non traditional companies, whether

883
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Speaker 6: it's Androl, whether it's Seronic, whether it's sale Drone, which,

884
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Speaker 6: by the way, we need these.

885
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Speaker 7: Companies to succeed, survive.

886
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Speaker 6: We need a defense industrial base that is far more diverse,

887
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Speaker 6: that has many more players. So I welcome the success

888
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Speaker 6: these companies are having, and I hope that we'll see

889
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Speaker 6: more non traditional defense tech companies.

890
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Speaker 7: Go public and be part of the S and P

891
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Speaker 7: five hundred.

892
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Speaker 6: I think that's healthy for not only those companies, but

893
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Speaker 6: for everyday Americans who want to invest in companies that

894
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Speaker 6: we already have partnerships with them that predate the ship

895
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Speaker 6: OS effort. And largely what we've seen in the non

896
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Speaker 6: traditional space is companies are willing to put their own

897
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Speaker 6: capital at risk to have access to the software tools

898
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Speaker 6: that Palenteer provides. And so there's also just a cultural affinity,

899
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Speaker 6: you know, and a retal. For example, you know, most

900
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Speaker 6: of the leadership at and Rolla's former Palenteer, and so

901
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Speaker 6: it's a really exciting time to be a non traditional

902
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Speaker 6: defense tech. And I think you know, your average American

903
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Speaker 6: taxpayer should you know, has an expectation that whatever Congress

904
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Speaker 6: spends this amount of money, i e. The money that's

905
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Speaker 6: in Reconciliation, where we have two hundred billion dollars or defense,

906
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Speaker 6: they should expect a return on that investment.

907
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Speaker 7: And so merely funneling more money.

908
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Speaker 6: Down the status quo, particularly in shipbuilding, I think is

909
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Speaker 6: unlikely to yield a return on the investment or a

910
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Speaker 6: different outcome. But by making a series of big, non

911
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Speaker 6: traditional bets, I think we have reason to be very

912
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Speaker 6: optimistic for the future of shipbuilding. And that's the final

913
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Speaker 6: key point. Traditionally, when we, you know, in fuse more

914
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Speaker 6: money into the defense industrial base, we spread it around

915
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Speaker 6: so thinly that it doesn't have an impact. Well, here

916
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Speaker 6: with Reconciliation, we're making a smaller number of concentrated big bets,

917
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Speaker 6: and that's what I'm excited about.

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Speaker 1: Our Congressman. I have two more questions for you, which

919
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Speaker 1: we'll do off here and add to the podcast Don't

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Speaker 1: Go Anywhere, America. I'll make sure that it's on the

921
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Speaker 1: YouTube edition of the Mike Gallagher Interview. I had two

922
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Speaker 1: more Congressmen. Gallagher questions. He's former Congressman Gallagher, the first

923
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Speaker 1: one I Alec got to declare my son's conflict. He

924
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Speaker 1: works for Hanua, which is a big shipbuilder for South Korea,

925
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Speaker 1: and it goes to this congressman. There are a lot

926
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Speaker 1: of international shipbuilding companies in Japan, han Wan, many others

927
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Speaker 1: in South Korea. We've got them in Australia where they're

928
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Speaker 1: trying to build Virginia class submarines. Do the foreign countries

929
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Speaker 1: embrace pollunteers, software or other American softwares as quickly as

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Speaker 1: we want them to do.

931
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Speaker 6: Probably our defense shipbuildings partnership is with HD Hondai where

932
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Speaker 6: they're building, you know, probably the global standard when it

933
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Speaker 6: comes to AI enabled shipbuilding.

934
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Speaker 7: And so the answer is yes.

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Speaker 6: And I'm for wondering enthusiastic about the investments that Hanwa

936
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Speaker 6: is making in the United States, particularly in the Philly Shipyard.

937
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Speaker 6: I think it's good for America. I think it's good

938
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Speaker 6: for Hanla as well. And you know, the reality is

939
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Speaker 6: we need more yards building more things commercial and naval vessels.

940
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Speaker 6: So I think the fact that this administration has embraced

941
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Speaker 6: the role of the foreign shipbuilders, not only in terms

942
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Speaker 6: of the investments they can make in our maritime industry base,

943
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Speaker 6: but also the role that the foreign yards themselves can

944
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Speaker 6: play when it comes to US naval ship repair. That's

945
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Speaker 6: absolutely essential because if you zoom out, I mean, how

946
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Speaker 6: do we beat China, which obviously is a massive country

947
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Speaker 6: with a ton of people and a command economy where

948
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Speaker 6: chess you think and snap his fingers and you know,

949
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Speaker 6: inject tens of billions of dollars into a state champion. Well,

950
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Speaker 6: we're going to have to harness the unique skills, be

951
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Speaker 6: it you know, shipbuilding prowess or ai prowess that our

952
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Speaker 6: closest allies have. So I think it's a very very

953
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Speaker 6: positive development, really exciting for the Philly shipyard too to.

954
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Speaker 7: See what an was investing there.

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Speaker 1: And last question, have we maintained deterrence against China lurching

956
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Speaker 1: across the Taiwan straight in your view?

957
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Speaker 6: Well, I think the single most important thing we can

958
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Speaker 6: do in the long term.

959
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Speaker 7: Is to build more ships.

960
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Speaker 6: We need a bigger navy, and so that's a hard thing.

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Speaker 6: You're just now seeing the money from reconciliation flow through

962
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Speaker 6: the Pentagon into priority areas, and so the proof will

963
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Speaker 6: be in the putting in the next six to twelve

964
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Speaker 6: months within shipbuilding. In terms of our long term deterrent,

965
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Speaker 6: the North Star is what the Navy calls sort of

966
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Speaker 6: a two plus one plus the statement. That's the ability

967
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Speaker 6: to produce two Virginia's year one Columbia sustain our chest commitments.

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Speaker 6: But then in the year term we need to be

969
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Speaker 6: moving to maximum production rates of critical munitions and to

970
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Speaker 6: preposition those west of the International date line. So I

971
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Speaker 6: really do think that the next six months are going

972
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Speaker 6: to be pivotal. I do think it's reasonable to assume that,

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Speaker 6: in contrast to previous administrations, Chi Jim Paying fears this

974
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Speaker 6: president because he's been willing and able to use force

975
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Speaker 6: in other theaters around the world. And I can't help

976
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Speaker 6: but think the decisive action that we took against Ron's

977
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Speaker 6: nuclear program enhanced the turns in other parts of the world.

978
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Speaker 6: But when it comes to our ability to jar China,

979
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Speaker 6: it's all about the balance of conventional and strategic power,

980
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Speaker 6: and there we really need to be moving to almost

981
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Speaker 6: a wartime footing to turbo charge our defense industrial base.

982
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Speaker 6: The money's there now needs to be spent wisely, and

983
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Speaker 6: Congress needs to hold the Pentagon. And by the way,

984
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Speaker 6: all of us in the Defense industrial base accountable to perform.

985
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Speaker 7: It's an all hands on deck effort.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Mike Gallagher, a formerly the chair of the Special

987
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Speaker 1: Select Committee on China and now with Palenteer, thank you

988
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Speaker 1: for spending time with us, and go Brown. Sorry, sorry,

989
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: we screwed up your situation yesterday, but we weren't going

990
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Speaker 1: to beat the bears in a hundred years, and you

991
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Speaker 1: owe me one appearance in brownsgarb. I just want to

992
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Speaker 1: say that down the line because we did beat the

993
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Speaker 1: backers earlier. This your congressmen. Always good to see you.

994
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Speaker 7: Thank you, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome Bethany Mandel. She is in Israel. You can

996
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Speaker 1: follow her on exit. Bethany Sean Dark. Hello, Bethany, how

997
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Speaker 1: are you?

998
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Speaker 4: I'm good?

999
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Speaker 1: How are you good? I can't see you because my

1000
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Speaker 1: return is messed up. Dwayne's working on it. But that's okay.

1001
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Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend that you look great and you're

1002
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Speaker 1: feeling great. But I've listened to the commentary pod today.

1003
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Speaker 1: Seth called in it was dark. I've listened to Dan

1004
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Speaker 1: Seenor's podcast They are Dark. I'm going to talk with

1005
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Salem today about how dark this is what is

1006
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: the reaction to the massacre at Bondai Beach in Australia

1007
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: in Israel.

1008
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Speaker 8: So it was interesting when we so we were out

1009
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Speaker 8: with our kids on Sunday afternoon when the news first hit,

1010
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Speaker 8: and what was remarkable was everyone around us was talking

1011
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 8: about it, which is something we've never experienced. When there's

1012
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Speaker 8: something like this that happens, an anti Semitic terror attack,

1013
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Speaker 8: it feels like we're kind of walking around in a

1014
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 8: bubble and everyone around us is sort of going around

1015
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Speaker 8: as usual.

1016
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Speaker 4: That wasn't the feeling here.

1017
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Speaker 8: Everyone from the guy behind the counter at the coffee

1018
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Speaker 8: shop was talking about it to people at the museum

1019
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 8: around us. So it's a very sort of unifying, interesting,

1020
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Speaker 8: different experience to sort of feel that alongside a bunch

1021
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Speaker 8: of Israelis who know what this is like, this is something.

1022
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Speaker 4: That is much more normal here.

1023
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Speaker 8: So it was nice in a way to have people

1024
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Speaker 8: around who understood sort of what that moment meant. But

1025
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Speaker 8: Israelis kind of shook their head and said, you know,

1026
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Speaker 8: everyone's been warning Australians about this forever and this was

1027
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Speaker 8: the logical end result of everything that they've allowed to

1028
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Speaker 8: fester on the side of the world for a long time.

1029
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Speaker 1: You know what would the difference would be post ten

1030
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Speaker 1: seven Israel between what happened to a terrorist in Israel

1031
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Speaker 1: and the terrorists in Australia is there would have been

1032
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Speaker 1: a lot more armed people in Australia to shoot these sobs.

1033
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Speaker 1: They'd have been dead. I think they went for eleven

1034
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: to fourteen minutes uninterrupted. Am I right about that?

1035
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

1036
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no. The videos I saw were terrifying.

1037
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Speaker 8: They were getting off shot after shot after shot, and

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Speaker 8: no one did intervene.

1039
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Speaker 4: No one could intervene.

1040
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Speaker 8: There's some videos of police who declined to intervene, and

1041
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 8: it felt a lot like Uvaldi in that way. But yeah, no,

1042
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 8: I mean walking around, you see a million people around

1043
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 8: you with guns. And when I was young and much

1044
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Speaker 8: more inexperienced with guns and uncomfortable with guns, it.

1045
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Speaker 4: Made me uncomfortable.

1046
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Speaker 8: It made me scared seeing all those people with guns.

1047
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Speaker 4: But now it makes me feel a.

1048
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Speaker 8: Lot safer when I look around and I see people

1049
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 8: who have a rifle slung over their backs, and I

1050
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 8: know that they are highly trained and could intervene in

1051
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Speaker 8: a moment's notice, and they have. You know, we've had

1052
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Speaker 8: terror attacks here happen, and Israelis have stepped in in

1053
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Speaker 8: really remarkable ways just because they were able to be armed.

1054
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Speaker 1: Now Bethanie, the comment was made on the commentary pod

1055
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Speaker 1: this morning that globalized the Intifada has worked. There was

1056
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Speaker 1: an attack pen on, a plan on a German Christmas market.

1057
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Speaker 1: There was one planned in New York, the details of

1058
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Speaker 1: which are still emerging. I've got some tape on that.

1059
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: I imagine they're being planned around the world. The Beast

1060
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Speaker 1: is unleashed, the ancient evil. It's like Mordor, if I

1061
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Speaker 1: may borrow from Tolkien. It's everywhere.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and they're coming for the Saturday people. Are

1063
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Speaker 8: only coming for the Sunday people. That's why they go

1064
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Speaker 8: after the Christmas market and the Honka celebration. You know,

1065
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 8: I was watching the remarks of a former hostage who

1066
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Speaker 8: was held in Gaza Omershemto. He was talking to a

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Speaker 8: news affiliate out in California recently, and he said, you know,

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Speaker 8: Hamas told him themselves, first we're going to go for

1069
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Speaker 8: the Saturday people, then we're going to go for the

1070
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Speaker 8: Sunday people. We were going for world domination here. And

1071
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Speaker 8: you know, when they tell you who they are, you should.

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Speaker 1: Listen, the leader of Hamas declared yesterday they're not going

1073
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Speaker 1: to be militarized, there will be no inter national security force,

1074
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: but we welcome the AID. And I read that and

1075
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Speaker 1: I said that that's a rejection of the ceasefire deal

1076
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: and the idf ought to go back to war. But

1077
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Speaker 1: I don't know that the Israel has the appetite for that.

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Speaker 1: Am I right?

1079
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Speaker 8: Yes, But to some extent they already have gone back

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Speaker 8: to war. They took out someone over the weekend. Hamas

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Speaker 8: sent rockets as a result. On Sunday. We got those

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Speaker 8: rocket alerts on Sunday afternoon, and you know, in the

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Speaker 8: nearby towns around Gaza that we were in just a

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Speaker 8: week ago. We were there with our kids a week ago,

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Speaker 8: and we kind of looked at each other and thought, well,

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Speaker 8: glad it didn't happen last week instead of this week.

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Speaker 8: So there's there's already sort of simmering tensions on both sides.

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Speaker 8: But I don't think that Israel has the appetite to

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Speaker 8: go back to a full on war.

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Speaker 4: But Hamas clearly still has some capability.

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Speaker 8: Is if they were able to send rockets into Israeli territory,

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Speaker 8: you know, two days yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What did your children react to the rocket announcement? How

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Speaker 1: did they react to the rocket announcement?

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Speaker 8: They were nervous going down there. Every everywhere you turn

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Speaker 8: there's a shelter. And we had prepped them before we

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Speaker 8: went and said, you know, there's a possibility that there

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Speaker 8: will be that there will be a rocket, and this

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Speaker 8: is what we do, and this is you know, if

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Speaker 8: we're in the car, this is how we get out

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Speaker 8: of the car, and if we're in town, this is

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Speaker 8: where we go, and this is what we do.

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Speaker 4: They were scared, for sure, but you know.

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Speaker 8: This is sort of this is the reality here, and

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Speaker 8: they understood that. You know, Hamas rockets are not terribly powerful.

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Speaker 8: They're there to terrorize and and they're not They're not impressive.

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Speaker 8: You just have to make sure that you're near a

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Speaker 8: shelter and stay there for a few minutes to let

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Speaker 8: the iron job iron dome do its job.

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Speaker 1: Are you more or less likely to move to Israel

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Speaker 1: after this trip?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, probably less.

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Speaker 8: I know a lot of your Israeli listeners are probably

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Speaker 8: gonna hate hearing that the security situation here. I have

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Speaker 8: a friend who lives here, and you know, he's a grandfather,

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Speaker 8: and he wrote in an email last week, and I

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Speaker 8: think it's true. He said, the security situation here is grading.

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Speaker 8: It can get really tiresome really quickly. And you know,

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Speaker 8: I've driven through a million checkpoints at this point with

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Speaker 8: my kids. There was a stone throwing attack on the

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Speaker 8: road that we were driving on a couple hours after

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Speaker 8: we were on it. We're going to dinner tomorrow night

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Speaker 8: in a not a settlement, but in a town of

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Speaker 8: sorts in Juday an smary in the West Bank where

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Speaker 8: people tried to break in just a few days ago

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Speaker 8: with axes and knives to commit mass murder. I can

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Speaker 8: see that being very graded.

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Speaker 1: Burdening. Yeah, we helped to have you back to beth

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you coming back this weekend?

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Speaker 8: No? New Year's You're stuck with me here for another

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Speaker 8: two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, Well, then we'll talk to you from there

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Speaker 1: again next week. Bethany Mandel, always a pleasure. Where's the

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Speaker 1: welcome back America? I'm Hugh Hewett. Hope you're getting ready

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Speaker 1: for Christmas. I am by inviting my friend Aaron bear Back.

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Speaker 1: Aaron is the president of the Center for Christian Virtue

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Speaker 1: in Ohio and originally came to my attention via our

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Speaker 1: mutual friend, Attorney General David Yos at the Center Club

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Speaker 1: of Cleveland, which is a fine institution at which I've spoken,

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: was under pressure to cancel Aaron from the LGBTQ community

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Speaker 1: of Cleveland, but the City Club said, no, Aaron is coming.

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Speaker 1: Have they stuck by that?

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Speaker 10: Eran, It's just a new day today with cancel culture.

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01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 10: I feel like, you know, a few years ago, a

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Speaker 10: group like this that is, you know, right in the

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Speaker 10: heart of corporate America in downtown Cleveland, would cave to

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Speaker 10: this kind of pressure. But all the credit in the

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Speaker 10: world did to get this guy, Dan Malthrop, who's the head.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a Jewish guy.

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Speaker 10: He's not somebody who's alive with us on a lot

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Speaker 10: of different issues, but he understood, Hey, people want to

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 10: understand why it is we're having success in Ohio and

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01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 10: across the country today. So they're sticking by their guns,

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Speaker 10: which is again just rare.

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Speaker 7: I feel like, not.

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Speaker 10: Too long ago, this was exactly the type of thing.

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Speaker 10: People pull out the SPLC and all the hate group

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Speaker 10: stuff and people run for the hills.

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Speaker 3: But it's not happening anymore.

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Speaker 1: When I saw the City Club. I know Dan, and

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Speaker 1: I know Dan would never buckle, so I thought maybe

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Speaker 1: he had stepped down. You know, I don't follow it

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Speaker 1: every day. I don't go to Cleveland that often, but

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't imagine him buckling, and he did not buckle.

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Speaker 1: So kudos to the City Club. Aren't you going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about the backpack bill? I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: like what you did for Ohio was get the backpack

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Speaker 1: bill passed.

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Speaker 10: Well, this is what's funny about this is that you

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Speaker 10: have these these areas in America day like Cleveland, that

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Speaker 10: have these really polarized groups like you know, the Equality

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Speaker 10: Ohio and the HRC and all these things that are

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 10: so disconnected. They can never understand I would families actually

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01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 10: want to be able to choose the education that meets

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Speaker 10: their needs, or why don't people want boys playing girls

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Speaker 10: sports or people doing experimental medical procedures transgender medical procedures

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Speaker 10: on kids? And so they all they can do is

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Speaker 10: label us as hate groups for saying, hey, let's stop

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Speaker 10: these things, or let's have school choice in our country,

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Speaker 10: and instead of wanting to come in and better understand,

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01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 10: they just want to cancel us. But again credit to

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Speaker 10: Dan it just feels like a new day.

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Speaker 1: I think again.

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Speaker 10: President deserves a lot of credit for this, for not

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Speaker 10: backing down from things. But it feels like a new

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 10: day where these groups aren't pushing guys like me out

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Speaker 10: of the door and saying, hey, let's have a conversation

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Speaker 10: and better understand these things.

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Speaker 1: Better be a good speech, though, don't let us know, now, Aaron,

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Speaker 1: when we were talking about this, you let me know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: can I come on and talk about President Trump's rumored

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Speaker 1: move to reclassify dope on the schedules that and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of ambivalent about this because I hate the

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Speaker 1: idea of it being a Schedule one drug and the

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Speaker 1: States selling it door to door. It just makes me

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Speaker 1: think that the system isn't working. Maybe he ought to

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Speaker 1: adjust to the reality of the world. And he said,

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Speaker 1: whoa partner, you're wrong, which is what is what I

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Speaker 1: already exist to do along with Maria. She does it too,

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Speaker 1: so she's wrong about the Steelers. I think you're wrong here,

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Speaker 1: but explain to me why you're against it. Well, just

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Speaker 1: for what it's worth you.

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Speaker 10: There is a saying around the bare household that when

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Speaker 10: something goes on in the country, the first thing one

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Speaker 10: of us says is what does Hugh Hugh would think

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Speaker 10: about it? And the only thing Maria would ever say

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Speaker 10: you've been wrong about is the Steelers. But beyond that,

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Speaker 10: this is one area I think we might be able

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Speaker 10: to convince you over on. And just for context here,

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Speaker 10: like you mentioned, the DEA under the Department of Justice

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Speaker 10: has marijuana scheduled as a Schedule one drug. That means

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Speaker 10: it's highly there's a highly likelihood of abuse with it,

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Speaker 10: and there's no real medical benefits to it, no studied

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Speaker 10: medical benefits to it. Right, And actually the New York

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Speaker 10: Times just affirmed that in a study in a story

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Speaker 10: that came out with last week. President Trump is looking

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Speaker 10: at advancing what was a Biden administration policy of reclassifying

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Speaker 10: the Schedule three. Now that doesn't legalize it, that doesn't

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Speaker 10: legalize it federally. What it does do it allows these

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Speaker 10: marijuana companies in the States to basically apply for tax breaks,

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Speaker 10: business tax breaks, things like that. We estimate it's about

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Speaker 10: a two billion dollar payout to the marijuana industry. Here's

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Speaker 10: the only thing that matters about this, Hugh. This is

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Speaker 10: the only question we have to ask ourselves, is would

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Speaker 10: America or would our individual towns be better off with

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Speaker 10: more people smoking weed.

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Speaker 1: That's the only question we got to ask ourselves. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not the only effect this is going to do.

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Speaker 3: What else we got to ask?

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Speaker 1: There are negative externalities to misclassifying and narcotic now. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I believe all of ale experience and research.

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Speaker 1: I believe in warning your children. I think we had

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Speaker 1: to tell people it's a psychotropic now and it can

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Speaker 1: cause schizophrenic breaks. It's much stronger than it was forty

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Speaker 1: fifty years ago. I believe all that. But when you

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Speaker 1: negatively classify, you deny the banking system, which creates downstream

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Speaker 1: criminal activity, including money laundering, and a bunch of other

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Speaker 1: negative externalities. They'd be considered the positive steps from making

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Speaker 1: it Schedule three is both Schedule one.

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Speaker 10: Well to actually, I think to that point, if the

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Speaker 10: question is what is the most accurate way of classifying

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Speaker 10: this drug? If you look at the definitions of what

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Speaker 10: a Schedule one drug is, this meets it by the book.

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Speaker 10: The only, definitely, the only reason to reclassify it. Then

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Speaker 10: by what you're describing here is well, because of all

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Speaker 10: these external factors that have nothing to do with what

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Speaker 10: the definition of a Schedule one drug is which is

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Speaker 10: highly likelihood for abuse and no medical benefits, no real

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Speaker 10: medical benefits to it.

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Speaker 3: It fits those by the book.

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Speaker 10: And actually the marijuana we have today is even more Again,

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Speaker 10: you know, when when when I was a kid, the

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Speaker 10: marijuana that that we were smoking back then, and that

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Speaker 10: was well before I was a Christian, was nothing like

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Speaker 10: the marijuana you see today. Uh, and it is way

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Speaker 10: more addictive and way more dangerous than we see anymore.

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Speaker 1: Does demand curve from senior citizens to eighteen year old

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Speaker 1: set you back and perhaps push you more towards regulate

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Speaker 1: the content of the cannabis, not the entire product line.

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Speaker 10: I think we can do both. But I think actually

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Speaker 10: the longer, you know, we really are just beginning to

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Speaker 10: see the impacts of this experiment of ten years of

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Speaker 10: legalized marijuana, about forty states have legalized it. Now we're

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Speaker 10: actually seeing some states like Maine, like Massachusetts considering putting

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Speaker 10: the cat back into the bag and backing out of this.

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Speaker 10: But the real data we see more and more is

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Speaker 10: there really are no benefits to communities. And again, Hugh,

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Speaker 10: I don't think we do need to overcomplicate this. Does

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Speaker 10: anybody really enjoy walking down the streets of the US

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Speaker 10: capital or animayor city and just getting blasted with marijuana

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Speaker 10: every time you walk anywhere.

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Speaker 1: It's miserable. Try the stretch from Penn Station to Midtown.

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Speaker 1: You'll be stoned by the time you get there. But

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Speaker 1: there are also negative externalities for declassifying the Schedule three,

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Speaker 1: including illegal vast arms across the United States run by

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Speaker 1: chi cooms. Were you aware of that the chi coms

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Speaker 1: have gotten in the Oh?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Oh it's massive. And actually the more readily these

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Speaker 10: things are available, the harder it is to find the

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Speaker 10: bad actors. You look at any of these dates, especially Colorado,

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Speaker 10: New York. There was just a story in cranes about

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Speaker 10: how there was thirty six hundred illegal operating marijuana shops.

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 10: Because if you're a cop, how are you supposed to

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Speaker 10: tell what the.

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Speaker 1: Good guys are and the bad guys are? You're gonna

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: have to work harder, erin because I hear it's coming.

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01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: Who is the principal spokesperson for your team? And got

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Speaker 1: ten seconds?

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Speaker 10: Smart Approaches on marijuana. Learn about sam dot org. That's

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 10: the place to go and get your voice heard on

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Speaker 10: this one. Say it again, Smart approaches on marijuana, Smart

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Speaker 10: approaches on marijuana.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Bear always a pleasure adjacent to a Steeler fan.

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Speaker 1: Though you might be stay tuned in America, that's no matter.

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Speaker 7: When you mind called the sunshine of a friend, the game.

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Speaker 9: A days Academy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. You know that that is Vic

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Speaker 1: Mattison's intro during the holidays because he specifically requested Robert

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Speaker 1: Goulay saying does that warm your heart?

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Speaker 2: Vic?

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Speaker 1: Do you get all up and ready to go? I do?

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Speaker 1: That really gets me in the Christmas spirit?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 9: I guess he is perhaps Canada's greatest export. Robert Goulay

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Speaker 9: born in Massachusetts, but he grew up in Canada and

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Speaker 9: he became in weird ways, Elvis Presley's arch nemesis.

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Speaker 1: There was a story.

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Speaker 9: That Elvis got so upset about Robert Goulay's voice he

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Speaker 9: once shot a television that wherever I was on the TV,

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Speaker 9: I haven't been well, it was Elvis, it was the

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Speaker 9: King and it.

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Speaker 1: Was the later years. I haven't been able to verify.

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Speaker 1: That's what I have heard, so Alio I thought it

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Speaker 1: was Grand and Camelot. Let me ask you, Vic a

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Speaker 1: very particular question. First, of all, I'm glad that getting

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Speaker 1: hammered is back. We've begun the search for the official sponsor.

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Speaker 1: I offered Mary Catherine two suggestions that you approach the

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Speaker 1: Distilled Spirits Association of America and the Potato Chip and

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Speaker 1: Fast and Snack Association. What do you think of both

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Speaker 1: of those?

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Speaker 9: I would love to have both of them. That's absolutely true.

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Speaker 9: And speaking of potato chips, you know, I read a study.

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Speaker 9: Lay's Potato Chips conducted a poll and something like only sixty,

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Speaker 9: maybe fewer percent of the people polled knew that Lay's

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Speaker 9: potato chips come from potatoes, actual potatoes.

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Speaker 1: Where did they think where they actually come from? If

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Speaker 1: not potatoes?

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Speaker 9: That's because that's disconcerting, and I'd like to do a

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Speaker 9: lot to spread the awareness of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, if you order, you look

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Speaker 1: into a menu at a regular just sit down and

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Speaker 1: eat diner and you're served your burger and their chips

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Speaker 1: on the side. Do you feel cheated that you would

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Speaker 1: assume that there would be fries but instead they substitute chips. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 9: It gets I'll get really cantankerous if in fact, it

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Speaker 9: comes with a side salad that's all can turn ugly

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Speaker 9: inside the diner.

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Speaker 1: That would be bad. And Coleslaw is also a bad upisode. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the serious step. Vic. The slaughter in

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Speaker 1: Australia has been followed by an extraordinary range of reactions,

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Speaker 1: some of which are covered over at the Washington Free Beacon.

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Speaker 1: How hard is it to condemn anti semitism for the left?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's extremely hard, Hugh. You think about that chant again.

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Speaker 9: I'd like to go back to globalize the Intafada in

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Speaker 9: the moment when the mayor elect, Zoron Mamdani was asked

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Speaker 9: whether or not he condemned it, and he did it,

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Speaker 9: and he justified and he said, really he thinks of

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Speaker 9: it as a harmless phrase, you know, to invoke peaceful struggle.

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Speaker 9: But everyone else, of course, and people on ours have

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Speaker 9: said globalize the Indi thought and means exactly that it's

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Speaker 9: spread the terror. And then we see this happen on

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Speaker 9: Bondai Beach in Australia and the horror of it, these

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Speaker 9: two Pakistanis were just basically carrying that out. I'm beginning

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Speaker 9: to think that in a very dark way, that they're

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Speaker 9: all in on this right, that The truth is they

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Speaker 9: all harbor this tremendous animus towards the Jews and Israel.

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Speaker 9: And even if they don't participally personally partaken the violence,

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Speaker 9: something tells me they're not necessarily bothered by it. And

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Speaker 9: I find that so troubling. You think about the horror

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Speaker 9: of October seven. Two days later in Sydney. On October nine,

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Speaker 9: outside the Opera House, they were chanting gas the Jews

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Speaker 9: and people sort of shrug, well, there, you know, that's

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Speaker 9: their right to say this sort of thing. I'm sure

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Speaker 9: you know that'll be the extent of it. No, that's

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Speaker 9: the beginning of it. And so you think about the

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Speaker 9: Australian leader, Albanez. He's you know, partially responsible for allowing

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Speaker 9: this atmosphere to fester because you know, they're doing things

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Speaker 9: like recognizing a Palestine, for example, and condemning Israel.

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Speaker 1: None of this is good. Now, if we approached I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you brought him up. If we approached apparently educated

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Speaker 1: leader who is engaged in, if not explicit anti Semitism,

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Speaker 1: in the indifference to it, and we asked them, are

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Speaker 1: you aware of Barry Strauss's book Jews Versus Rome and

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Speaker 1: the fact that there were three civil wars of the

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Speaker 1: Jews versus Rome in Judea near the time of Christ's life,

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Speaker 1: but not having to do with Christ, which is Judaean nationalism,

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Speaker 1: that they are the indigenous people of the regime until

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Speaker 1: the bar Kova third one finally led to the Romans

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Speaker 1: just basically wiping them out save for a handful of

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Speaker 1: Jerusalem after they shattered the temple. Do you think they

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Speaker 1: have any idea that the Jews are the indigenous people

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Speaker 1: of the region.

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Speaker 9: No, if you ask them, they all came from you know,

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Speaker 9: parts of Europe in particular perhaps in you know, Russia

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Speaker 9: or the former Soviet Union, and that the people in

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Speaker 9: that area have always been quote unquote Palestinian and obviously,

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Speaker 9: as you know, and that's a terrific book, by the way,

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Speaker 9: Jews is Rome it is, and Joseph Epstein reviewed that

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Speaker 9: for us in the Weekend Beacon. This has been going

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Speaker 9: on for a very long time, and the Jews have

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Speaker 9: obviously been persecuted, going all the way back to the

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Speaker 9: Babylonian exile and then over time being expelled from all

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Speaker 9: parts of the world. In the twelve hundreds, I believe,

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Speaker 9: in Britain and then in the fourteen hundreds in Spain.

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Speaker 1: So and then of course the Holocaust. It's been on

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Speaker 1: the ongoing.

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Speaker 9: Struggle for many centuries, and we're just seeing the struggle

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Speaker 9: continue now and again.

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Speaker 1: The idea that.

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Speaker 9: Somehow Israel is some fabrication, you know, post British Empire,

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Speaker 9: is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: I missed the review. Go back and find that. In

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Speaker 1: tomorrow's column that I read for Fox, I make three

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Speaker 1: book recommendations for Christmas. The first one is by Joseph Epstein.

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Speaker 1: If you've had a lucky life, never say you've had

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Speaker 1: a lucky life. His autobiography. Did you have a chance

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Speaker 1: to read that? By the it's fabulous, it's absolutely extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: It's there's a lot about Joe that you know.

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Speaker 9: And I it took me many years before I felt

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Speaker 9: I was able to call him Joe instead of mister Epstein.

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Speaker 9: I believe that he was the one who approached me

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Speaker 9: about the subject once he said, mister Mattis.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't we be on first term a first name a

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Speaker 1: basis now? And I said, yes, thank you. I've been

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Speaker 1: waiting for this for years.

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Speaker 9: He's had a you know, he's had a very interesting life,

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Speaker 9: and he's done a lot of work, and you know,

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Speaker 9: he's done a lot for his family, and it's not

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Speaker 9: an easy family life that he had in raising children

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Speaker 9: and grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't talk about that, but I'm glad children eventually. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you novels, short stories, essays column, but mostly

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Speaker 1: it is his common essay, not the literary one, the

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Speaker 1: common essay that I think he's a genius at. So

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear he has grace your pages. I

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Speaker 1: gotta go find him on Jules Versus Rome because that's

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Speaker 1: a fabulous book. He'll be back too, I hope so soon.

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Speaker 1: That's a promise. I'm glad to hear it. Vic Mattis

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Speaker 1: follow him on Exit Victorino matdis Get, of course your

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