1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Welcome to the Out of Zion podcast. I'm 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Shelley Nice filling in for doctor Susan Michael. Today I 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: have with me my fellow Floridian, Liz Becker, who is 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: the co founder of Strong Voices for Israel. Liz, welcome 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you for having me, Shelley. So first, 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: Liz tell us what is Strong Voices for Israel and 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: how did this start? This is a fairly new organization, 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: it is. 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: It is We're about just under two years old right now, 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: and it was a child, let's put it that way, 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: of three really dedicated Zionists that wanted to make a change. 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: We joined forces, well, I joined courses with two incredible 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: IDF reservists, Max Loong and Noi Lay, and we realized 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: that there was something missing in Jewish advocacy and in 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: the building bridges between Jewish and Christian communities, and that 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: was well trained speakers. Is that the key correct that 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: little the well trained speakers that have an understanding of 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: how to communicate effectively, they're really powerful stories and testimonies 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: to non Jewish faith based communities. 20 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: of our sponsors, Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, Connecting 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balanced and biblical response. 25 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: Be searching subscribe for future episodes which will ignite your 26 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: faith and bring the Bible to life in your everyday world. Now, 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: We wanted to make or that these congregations, whether it 29 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: was a church that is in the Midwest that has 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: no access to these stories, or whether it's a Christian 31 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: university or high school, that they're able to have someone 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: come to them with the stories and connect on a 33 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: human level one to one. And so we get together 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: strong voices for Israel. And have had the pleasure of 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: working with some amazing organizations, some amazing pastors as well 36 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: as universities and schools. 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: And it's not random that you were you founded this 38 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: because this is also just your professional life that you 39 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: help people to be better trained to communicate, right, So 40 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: that was also just something that you saw that if 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: we tell this story better, then it will be more 42 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: effective and touching. Hearts and minds right. Yes, absolutely so. 43 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: I've been teaching community communications skills for years, and that's 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I noticed what was going on. 45 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: I'm the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, so after October seventh, 46 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: of course, every Jew's life changed pretty much. Mind changed 47 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: profoundly when I saw the increase in anti Semitism immediately 48 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: and saw the world's response to on October eighth their response, 49 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: so I knew I had to do something. I started 50 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: off with publishing my father's manuscript the time that had 51 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: been sitting around for about forty years, just waiting for 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: me to go in and edit it, and I knew 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: that I had to get that story, and once I did, 54 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: it sort of started the ball rolling of what I 55 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: thought was needed in getting these stories out there. So, yes, 56 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: I've been teaching communications for many years. I teached to 57 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: professionals in very different industries and take much pride in that, 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: But now I take much more pride and passion and 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: dedication to bringing these really important stories to people. 60 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: That need to hear them the most. Well. I know 61 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: it's doubled your workload in effect, but you are the 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: person to answer this call and so when I'm just 63 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: an outsider looking in, what I see is like this 64 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: was probably your therapy too, and just living in a 65 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: post October seventh world and just everyone was working through 66 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: the trauma and the newly released stories every day, and 67 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: so you were doing something. It was also a form 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: of therapy to be able to take your skill set 69 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: and use it for good. So tell us NOI and 70 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Max's story. I've had the opportunity to meet most of 71 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: them hear it from them, but they're not here right 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: now or not, and you know their stories like the 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: back of your hands. So first start with Max. 74 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and I'm actually very sad that they're not 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: with me because we were all three of us here 76 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: together in our b last year they won the LEA shirts. 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: I'm an IDM soldier asked me a question, correct. 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: And we couldn't walk even like ten steps without people 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: cummings them, which shows exactly what the need is. And 80 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: they would come to them and pray for them and 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: want to hear their stories, which really enforced and reinforced 82 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: what our mission was. So NOI, who is actually the 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: first person that I connected with. He is an idea 84 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: for reserve is at the time of October seventh, he was 85 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: in New York. He had just been working on a startup, 86 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: and the call came right it was time for him 87 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: to make a decision, and without hesitation, he went straight 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: back to Israel and listed in his reserve duty. 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: And what he was doing. He had already been. 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: In the world of advocacy and explanation of what we 91 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: say in Hebrew Hasbarah, explaining really what's going on in 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: Israel for many years now and speaking at anti universities 93 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: and college campuses, and he immediately once he went in 94 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 2: into Gaza, he started sharing, because he had already a 95 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: following in social media, started sharing exactly what was going 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: on in Gaza, which is very powerful. And I love 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: the way that he already communicated, so I knew I 98 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: wanted to work with him, and then we both connected 99 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: with Max Long, another really extraordinary young man, lone soldier 100 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: from Boston, originally enlisted in the Army, and then after 101 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: he's incredibly because he's done a few things after the Army. 102 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: When he finished his service, he was really passionate about 103 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: doing something for lone soldiers like himself, knowing that he 104 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: wants them to be able to stay in Israel and 105 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: be come from the. 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: Start of life. 107 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: So he started growing Wings, a nonprofit that helps loan 108 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: soldiers and supports them in so many different ways, which 109 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 2: why it was such a natural progression to do Strong 110 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: Voices for Israel to be able to give these lone 111 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: soldiers the opportunity to share their stories as well in 112 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: powerful ways. And I loved what you mentioned about the 113 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: therapy for me, and it's the same with our soldiers. 114 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: And another thing that many people know Max Bore is 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: that he goes to De Paul University now, so about 116 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: a year and a half ago he was doing the 117 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: same thing of trying to educate, trying to communicate and 118 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: have human connections at one to one levels and stand 119 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: outside with the sign saying, you know, I'm an idea 120 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: of soldier Vindegaza, let's talk, let's have a conversation. And 121 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: unfortunately he was attacked. He was viciously attacked physically, physically. 122 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: I was all over the news. There's been a court 123 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: case about it, and it's taken a lot of national 124 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: awareness because of the importance, because of the importance of 125 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: we need to be standing up for Jewish students everywhere, 126 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: including our soldiers. But all Jewish students up against this 127 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: horrific anti semitism on campuses, and Max is a tough 128 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: cookie and he took it on and he proudly is 129 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: doing what needs to be done to keep speaking, keep 130 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: sharing his story and making an impact and impact and 131 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: ultimately bridging our communities right with education with other things 132 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: that we're doing as well. 133 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: So, and didn't he go back to that school after 134 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: they did. He's still there the mother and he wants 135 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: to protect him and be like, you're already he wrote, 136 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: goes somewhere same. 137 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think his mother is probably used 138 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: it already with him being a lone soldier and keep 139 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: going by it because they're both active reservists. They just 140 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: last year both did serve their terms, and so I 141 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: think you probably used to already. A Nosmax is a 142 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: tough cookie and he's not standing down for anybody on 143 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: He does it really eloquently and brilliantly too. So yeah, 144 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: he's still he refused to give up. He's still going 145 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: to de Paul even with all the hate that's there, 146 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: and they're still active. 147 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: Lawsuit. 148 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Law Fare Project is responsible for the lawsuit right now 149 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: with the Paul as well so what has the. 150 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Experience been like for both of them? And going into 151 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: these Christians faces, going into christ churches and telling their story. 152 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm asking with fear and trembling because 153 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: I hope it's been positive. 154 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: It's been tremendously positive. Okay, And this is what I 155 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: try to share with the Jewish woote. I've had the 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: blessing from the past two years, almost two years to 157 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: be working with so many different organizations and tending these 158 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: incredible conferences. Most Jewish people don't understand the love and 159 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: support that's out there. We prefer to go to communities 160 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: that are already you know, pro Israel, or already have 161 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: some kind of belief and love for Israel. It's of 162 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: course more welcoming that way, even though we still do 163 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: welcome the opportunity to educate others. But to be able 164 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: to see a room full of whether it's students or congregants, 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: at the end of our speaker's presentations, just get up, 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: want to hug, want rush up to the stage, to 167 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: want to just give their love to the speaker. And furthermore, 168 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: everybody's screaming amisra Hi at the end is a. 169 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: Feeling that every Jew should experience. 170 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: So it has been extremely extremely powerful, Shelley, and I 171 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: thank God every day that I have the opportunity to 172 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: witness it and hopefully also share it with the Jewish 173 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: world so that they know firsthand. 174 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: So, yes, you're our ambassador to the Jewist world. Of 175 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: like the Christians love you. It's sincere. There's no false 176 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: motives there. Well, so my other question is just what 177 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: we're seeing happening in the world today. I mean, do 178 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: you have a positive outlook for how all of this 179 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: goes forward? Where are we at with just the spread 180 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: of anti Semitism? Is it having and flowing, waning or increasing? 181 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: So, I think it's contextual, and I think it all 182 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: depends on what the experience, what personal experience you have. 183 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: There's so much information and we take little tidbits here 184 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: and there, whether it's from social media, whether it's from 185 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: the news. Ultimately we're going to be making our hypothesis 186 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: and ideas and judgments based on our personal experience. So 187 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: while I'm in this environment and these environments, of course, 188 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful. 189 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm very hopeful. I think we have a lot of. 190 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Extremely powerful, brave, strong leaders like yourself, like Susan like, 191 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: I mean so many that we work with eagles wings, 192 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: and I mean there's just tremendous amount of people in 193 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: this space that are working diligently day and night to 194 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: make a difference, and they are and we are together, right. 195 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: I think we have to be aware and we have 196 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: to continuously be focusing on where our. 197 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: Attention needs to be. Because yes, I am concerned as well. 198 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: The rise in hate and the rise in the far right, 199 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: nationalism and America only movements, not America First, because we 200 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 2: all agree that America First is what we should believe in, is. 201 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Very scary, and I think that we need to address it. 202 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I think that we need to. 203 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: As long as we join forces, as long as we 204 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: share what we're doing in our mission, and as long 205 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: as the Jewish and Christians work in unity, that I 206 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: think we do have a chance. It's a long term gang. 207 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: This is not an instant gratification gag. I say that 208 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: whenever I speak at a church, I say that wherever 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: I am that whatever plans and strategy we have shouldn't 210 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: be just for immediate remedy. There's no band aid you 211 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: can put on it and then see things change. We 212 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: have to lay the seeds down right now in a 213 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: smart and calculated way, and then I think we'll be 214 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: able to see and to the reaps of that in 215 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: a couple of years. 216 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 217 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 218 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael. 219 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: I mean, we all know just the power of personal testimony. 220 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: It just sits in the mind differently than if you're 221 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: presented with a lecture of facts and figures or even 222 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: just you know, telling the story of a war is 223 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: a hard thing to do. It's a very granular thing 224 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: to do. So what you're doing so important because even 225 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: just when we take groups to Israel, it's one thing 226 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to walk the Nova site, it's one thing to see 227 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: the monument of just all the burned out cars and 228 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: all of these places which are totally overwhelming. But without 229 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: someone meeting you there, without a Novas survivor meeting you there, 230 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: without hearing from an IDs soldier on the Gaza border, 231 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: it's all too overwhelming and it doesn't sit in your 232 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: brain and your soul the same way then when you 233 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: hear it through one human and their experience from there 234 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: until now, so I mean you and I both know 235 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: how important that is. Last year you joined us, and 236 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: before I go on, tell people how to find you, 237 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: how to find Max, how to find NOI, how. 238 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: To find Strong Voices for Israel. Absolutely, they just have 239 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: to go to www. Strong Voices for Israel dot org 240 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: and you'll be able to read about us. You'll be 241 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: able to send us if you have a request and 242 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: you'd like a speaker, and we have idea for service. 243 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: October seventh survivers other students that experienced campus anti semitism, 244 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: Holocaust descendants I speak as well, and they have others 245 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: that speak about their direct experience from their parents. They 246 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: know firsthead, whether it's to a manuscript or a trip 247 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: to Poland, a trip to the camps. So just request 248 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: us and we will do our best to get a 249 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: speaker out to you, whether it's in person or even 250 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: virtually either way to hear those because you're right, it's 251 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: that that personal one on one and our soldiers and 252 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: our speakers. Sometimes it's not just presenting. We've had Max 253 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: just played laser tag with college students, right. 254 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, we we do things that they can relate to, 255 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: which is important. 256 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: What I found is we have some amazing Christian brothers 257 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: and sisters that are very pro Israel and their pro 258 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: Israel because of theology, because of their belief in scripture, 259 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: as they should be. But we want them to have 260 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: a stronger connection to Israel, Shelley, And not everybody can 261 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: go to Israel. Many have the blessing too, but not 262 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: everybody can. So we want to be that sort of 263 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: bridge for them to be. 264 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Able to give them that first hand experience, right, And 265 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: like you said, even Holocaust it survivors. I mean not 266 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: everyone will remember the history book that they read or 267 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: the lecture that they heard. But if anyone has had 268 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: the blessing to me a Holocaust survivor and hear their story, 269 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: they remember that the rest of our lives. Absolutely. So 270 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: last year we were clear of privilege for you to 271 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: join us for our Israel Advocacy Day in May. You 272 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: were part of the Florida constituency. The thank you South 273 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: Florida was well represented. So what was that experience like 274 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: for you as a Jewish woman living in the southeast 275 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: a year a little over. 276 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: A year after October seventh, So I have chills, that's 277 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: how my experience was. For me, it was very emotional. 278 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: It was an extremely emotional that I didn't expect it 279 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: to be. I mean, I teach emotional state management, so 280 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, I think I got it under control, and 281 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: being there blew it away. Because that was my first 282 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: really hardcore experience to work closely both with pastors, with 283 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: other leaders in the community and some Jewish communities. 284 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: There were only a few us. 285 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: There wasn't a tremendous amount hopefully this year, expecting to 286 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: get more of the Jewish community there, but to be 287 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: able to do something to learn myself about. 288 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: The history of the Christian world. 289 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: Of course in the anti Semitism with Susan, which was amazing, 290 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: and to see the Christians want to learn more about 291 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: the rise of antisempitism and want to take action was beautiful. 292 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: I think my and I came to tell you what 293 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: my favorite part was, because of course it started with 294 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: the incredible event at Museum of the Bible, which that 295 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: in itself was extremely moving with speakers that I still 296 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: remember what they talked about today. And then the lobbying. 297 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: That was the first time I lobbied. Ollow Yeah, that 298 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: was my first time on camp. I would think of 299 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: you as this political animal, so I'm not the amazing parties. 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: I've never been involved in politics. I've trained some politicians, sir, 301 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: and I haven't been involved in politics, and it was 302 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: extremely rewarding, and to do it in unity because a 303 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: lot of times we do things on our own and 304 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: we want to make an impact, and when your mission 305 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: in everything and anything that you do, sometimes you're really 306 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: surrounded about self. 307 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: What can I do to do this? 308 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: What can I do to make a difference continuously, not 309 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: from a place of ego, just a place of you 310 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: have your mission, that's what you're driven by. So to 311 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: be able to do that with other people, Wow, that's 312 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: just such a blessing and a reward. And I've gone 313 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: back several times because sort of aclized Advocacy Day as well. 314 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: Advocacy Day is just what triggered that desire to keep 315 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: on doing it. So it is something that I highly recommend. 316 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: I am so looking forward to it again this year, 317 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: and I urge so many whether it's pastors or rabbis 318 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: or just Jewish philanthropists or anybody that is really involved 319 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: in this mission of building the relationship relationships within the 320 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: Jewish and Christian communities and also doing some kind of 321 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: advocacy to help support Israel as we need it tremendously 322 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: right now more than ever. 323 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Reason too, why the response rate from members of Congress 324 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: was so positive was because we were saying, this is 325 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: a group of rabbis, pastors, and Jewish and Christian leaders 326 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: and so sending this message of we've united around this issue. 327 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: We agree that Israel is not just a Jewish Christian 328 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: Jewish issue, not just a Christian issue, but this is 329 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: something that is an America first issue that we can 330 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: all unite behind. And so I do think that that 331 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: got their attention. And also we're relational people, so even 332 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: even if we were just coughing in between advocacy meetings 333 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: like that's my favorite part is just being able to connect, 334 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: especially like we did with people from your local community 335 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: and across the aisles and across the by. You know, 336 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: Israel is a bipartisan bicameral that we America needs to 337 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: support Israel and especially people of faith, and so that 338 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: was like the exciting part for me as well. Oh listen, 339 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much, this was wonderful. 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