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Speaker 1: about God. The argument of this monologue is adapted from

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Speaker 2: Buck Welcome, Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really enjoyed your book, and as I

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Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, And that really goes right to the thesis

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Speaker 3: And Pavelov is a fascinating guy, but he really as

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Speaker 3: a scientist, as a Nobel laureate, he was the most

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Speaker 3: famous scientist of his time, really of all time from

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Speaker 3: the Soviet Union. I mean, there's some others who were close.

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Speaker 3: But Pavlov is someone who has kind of built it

437
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Speaker 3: or a larger than life scientific persona based on what

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Speaker 3: people thought that he was able to do or thought

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Speaker 3: that he was experimenting on. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: misinformation about really you know, he wasn't training dogs. He

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Speaker 3: was attempting to use dogs as a proxy for understanding

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Speaker 3: how external influences can create a reflex on the human mind,

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Speaker 3: can create a reflexive physiological response. So this is this

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Speaker 3: is actually the heart of what Pavlov was interested in

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Speaker 3: because he wanted to He even wrote about creating the

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Speaker 3: perfected human type. He wanted to find ways to eliminate

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Speaker 3: you know, what do you call a genetic disease and

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Speaker 3: things that could be passed on. I mean, he really

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Speaker 3: had this vision of understanding the brain body connection in

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Speaker 3: a way that could be very useful for humanity. What

451
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Speaker 3: it came out of that is the whole you know,

452
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Speaker 3: hit people say hit the bell and the dog salved.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a buzzer or a metronome. It wasn't a bell.

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Speaker 3: And he called it conditional reflex and that would be

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Speaker 3: the direct Russian Russian translation, not conditioning. That's the sort

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Speaker 3: of westernized, americanized version of the research that he did.

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Speaker 3: And what was so interesting was he and this takes

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Speaker 3: me sort of at the beginning. There's a reason I'm

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Speaker 3: telling this story, and I'll get to the mask thing

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Speaker 3: in a second. But there was a seminal event where

461
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Speaker 3: he was doing all this experimentation and obviously to find

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Speaker 3: out that a dog that had become conditioned to having

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Speaker 3: food presented with a sound. It's not just the dog

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Speaker 3: hadn't you know, you can't tell if a dog in

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Speaker 3: its mind when it's thinking, but the salivary response shows,

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Speaker 3: oh the dog thinks, now this is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, involuntarily, right, So this is external

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Speaker 3: stimuli creates a physiological response in the body. But how

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Speaker 3: deep does this go into the mind. Well, there was

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Speaker 3: a flood in Saint Petersburg in nineteen twenties and the

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Speaker 3: flood almost killed all the dogs that were in the lab,

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Speaker 3: that were in Pavlov's lab, and Pavlov's assistants were able

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Speaker 3: to get into this lab Denesh and free these dogs

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Speaker 3: right before. I mean, remember the water's rising slowly. But

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Speaker 3: they're animals, they understand, they're in these cages, and so

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Speaker 3: they have this slow process of we're all gonna die

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Speaker 3: and we can't get out of these cages. Extremely traumatic,

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Speaker 3: and the happy ending of this is that they saved

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Speaker 3: actually all the dogs, none of the dogs crown. The

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Speaker 3: part of it that was fascinating scientifically, and you can

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Speaker 3: start to see now how it informed our understanding of

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Speaker 3: what would come to be known as brainwashing, thought reform, menticide,

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Speaker 3: all these different processes, is that the dogs were not

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Speaker 3: the same afterwards. Their behaviors had changed dramatically. Afterwards, some

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Speaker 3: of them had a total wipeout, if you will, of

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Speaker 3: all of the conditioning. So all of a sudden, dogs

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Speaker 3: that for years the bells salvate, sorry, the buzzer salvation,

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Speaker 3: the buzzer salivation gone beyond that. They even had dogs

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Speaker 3: that had become very that were very docile and friendly,

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Speaker 3: etre really aggressive, extremely aggressive dogs became in some cases

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Speaker 3: quite docile and frightened based on this one traumatic experience.

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Speaker 3: So the point here was that not only external stimuli

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Speaker 3: can have a reflexive response in the body, but in

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Speaker 3: external stimuli, and this of course we know about PTSD.

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Speaker 3: In these things, external stimuli of fear can actually change

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Speaker 3: dramatically change repeated behavior and thought processes afterwards, and from

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Speaker 3: this you get the totalitarian experiments of the twentieth century

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Speaker 3: in effectively mass conditioning and with Stalin and the show

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Speaker 3: trials and Maoism and the Culture Revolution and all these

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Speaker 3: things that follow very systematic and very similar playbooks that

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Speaker 3: played along some of these vulnerabilities in the human mind,

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Speaker 3: and that you can take it all the way to

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Speaker 3: the present. You asked about masking. On the one hand,

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Speaker 3: you can do what's called a when there's a chap

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Speaker 3: in the book forst phobia. You can just scare the

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Speaker 3: beg is out of people if you will, and they'll

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Speaker 3: just do whatever you want because they're so terrified. Right,

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Speaker 3: the water rising in the cage is or if you

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Speaker 3: take it to the next level of processes, it could

510
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Speaker 3: be that your affiliation, you have become attached to the

511
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Speaker 3: notion that this is that this is saving you, that

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Speaker 3: this is something that is part of your identity now,

513
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Speaker 3: which I think is the far more common reality here

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Speaker 3: in America. You don't wear a mask now because you

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Speaker 3: think if I don't, I'm going to die. You wear

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Speaker 3: a mask because it has been so conditioned into you

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Speaker 3: the good, smart, sciencey loving people who don't vote for

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Speaker 3: Orange Man bad Trump, they wear masks, right, So it's

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Speaker 3: a signific It's almost like people who join a cult

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Speaker 3: and wear certain clothing, they wear a mask. So all

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Speaker 3: of this is, you know, comes from that course of

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Speaker 3: what they call course of persuasion.

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Speaker 1: Gamut Buck, you're adding a dimension here that I want

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Speaker 1: to focus on because it goes beyond on the conventional

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Speaker 1: explanation for wearing a mask in twenty twenty six. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you were to ask most conservatives, hey.

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Speaker 2: Look at that.

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Speaker 1: Look at that weirdo wearing a mask, most conservatives would say, well,

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Speaker 1: that's a kind of virtue signaling the person is trying

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Speaker 1: to convey to society. I'm a superior human being. I

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Speaker 1: went to an Ivy League college. I know more about

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Speaker 1: science than you do. And so there is this kind

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Speaker 1: of moral display or moral preening. But I think what

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Speaker 1: you're saying is that it's not merely a kind of

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Speaker 1: moral pretense going on here.

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Speaker 2: This person actually.

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Speaker 1: Is a product of a kind of social conditioning that

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Speaker 1: is so powerful that even when the you know, even

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Speaker 1: when the original threat has abated or even gone away,

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Speaker 1: they're still captive to the fear that caused them to

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Speaker 1: wear that mask in like twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean that that is

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Speaker 3: what if you apply the different processes in the book

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Speaker 3: and I go through menta side, thought reform slash brainwashing.

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Speaker 3: And the reason that's a slash or why put those

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Speaker 3: together is that the Chinese called it thought reform. That

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Speaker 3: was there. The Chinese communists called it thought reform, which

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Speaker 3: I think is very interesting, right because in the Soviet

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Speaker 3: model and with the Gulags, they yes, there was a

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Speaker 3: ton of propaganda and they wanted people, but they they

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Speaker 3: really focused on crushing people like that was the on

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Speaker 3: breaking their minds. The Chinese took that and borrowed very

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Speaker 3: heavily from that stalin'st approach. But then also, and as

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Speaker 3: we know, and it should be taught more in schools,

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Speaker 3: both China and North Korea are essentially you know, mute,

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Speaker 3: you know, as regimes like mutant offshoots of the Soviet

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Speaker 3: disaster would not be possible without not only that ideology,

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Speaker 3: but without the direct support of the Soviet Union intervening

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Speaker 3: in the Chinese. So thought reform though, was to build

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Speaker 3: people up to the ideology on the other side, and

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Speaker 3: they really it was intricate, and they really went through

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Speaker 3: this extensively, and to what you were saying about, well,

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Speaker 3: look at back, and I do think masking for everyone

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Speaker 3: just becomes There's other things too, I mean, and I

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Speaker 3: talk about in the book Manufacturing Delusion, which I hope

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Speaker 3: all of your listeners will go get by the way,

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Speaker 3: got to keep selliment tonsh. But there's something as preposterous

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Speaker 3: as the demand that you use the preferred pronouns for example.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's sort of a form ideologically of masking, right,

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Speaker 3: it's a form of obedience training. But with the Chinese

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Speaker 3: communists and the thought reform process, they were so effective

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Speaker 3: at this that after they had broken people down and

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Speaker 3: put them through this extreme trauma again like the dogs

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Speaker 3: with the water rising, the physiological trauma that is then

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Speaker 3: being molded to a purpose to afterwards to make them

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Speaker 3: adhere to the ideology. Even after some of these people

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Speaker 3: Danesh were and this comes up in Robert Lifton's work,

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Speaker 3: who did the really the seminal study or the most

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Speaker 3: cited study on people from Thought reform and communist China.

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Speaker 3: In the early days, they would continue to defend the

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Speaker 3: Chinese communist regime when they were free, and they would,

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Speaker 3: you know, they if they weren't in love with it,

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Speaker 3: they weren't all of a sudden it was amazing. But

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Speaker 3: they would say, well, they were doing some good things,

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Speaker 3: Like they broke you, they made you lie about yourself,

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Speaker 3: they beat you at sticks, they kept you in a prison,

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Speaker 3: they denied you all human rights and human decency and

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Speaker 3: huge human agency. And now you're going to say, well,

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Speaker 3: life is complicated, and maybe they're doing some good things.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're free. That was and you're able

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Speaker 3: to say whatever you want. That was, I think something

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Speaker 3: that really shocked people and comes to a pinnacle in

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Speaker 3: some ways with the so called turncoats from the Korean War,

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Speaker 3: who were actually Americans who were captured, put through a

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Speaker 3: thought reform process, and then when it was time to

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Speaker 3: go home to America, they didn't want to go, and

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Speaker 3: they said terrible things about America. They lied about America

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Speaker 3: doing biological chemical warfare stuff. They lied about America spreading

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Speaker 3: plague and all this nonsense, because that was how effective

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Speaker 3: the process was with them. So this of course has

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Speaker 3: spawned like the Menorian Candidate novel and the series and

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Speaker 3: everything afterwards. But there is a historical truth to it,

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Speaker 3: and anyone who's actually read The Manchurian Candidate, the Condon novel,

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Speaker 3: the original, you'll see that there are many references to

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Speaker 3: Pavlov and Pavlovian science in it, because these things were

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Speaker 3: all thought of and talked about in the same breath.

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Speaker 1: So Janetson and the Gulag Archipelago, which is an account

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Speaker 1: of the Stalin witch trials, the so called forced confessions

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Speaker 1: of the accused defendants, but it's also an account of

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Speaker 1: life in the Gulag. But in the early sections when

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Speaker 1: he's talking about various types of Marxists and Communists were

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Speaker 1: rounded up by the Bolsheviks and then they were asked

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Speaker 1: to confess to things that they manifestly knew to be false.

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Speaker 1: And initially they would refuse and they would say, well,

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Speaker 1: isn't Marxism based on truth? Are you going to make

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Speaker 1: us lie? I mean, we're intellectuals. We came to believe

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Speaker 1: in Marxism because we thought it was all true. And

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Speaker 1: in a sense they were told, well, listen, who decides

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Speaker 1: what truth is? Is it you or is it the

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Speaker 1: Communist party? In other words, are you saying that you

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Speaker 1: are right and the entire Soviet system, the entire Communist

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Speaker 1: party is wrong. Who are you gonna go within the

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Speaker 1: end you and your individual, isolated subjective judgment or the

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Speaker 1: collective wisdom of the party, and under that alternative forcing

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Speaker 1: people to go with one box or the other. The

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Speaker 1: vast majority of them said, all right, well, I'll confess,

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Speaker 1: because at the end of it, I kind of have

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Speaker 1: to admit that, based on my own ideological presuppositions, I

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Speaker 1: believe in collectivism. I believe that the party is right.

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Speaker 1: I believe that Marxism is on the right side of history.

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Speaker 1: I believe that the Soviet Revolution is the embodiment of

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Speaker 1: that Marxist wisdom. And so I guess I am wrong

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Speaker 1: even about something that I sort.

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Speaker 2: Of knew to be true. I mean, what an amazing phenomenon, right.

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Speaker 3: Terrifying and amazing. Yeah. I thought a lot about the

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Speaker 3: gulag a Repelago, which I think there are so many

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Speaker 3: great books I don't want to diverse too much, so

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00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: many great books to nesh that people need to read

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Speaker 3: that were not a signed in school, and that goes

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Speaker 3: into that category for me. I never never was assigned

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Speaker 3: the glog A Repelago, which is in retrospect shocking. So

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Speaker 3: I had to read it on my own in college.

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Speaker 3: But I would say this I remember from the early

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Speaker 3: stages of the bringing you into I think the Social

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Speaker 3: Needs refers it as like the human disposal of the

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Speaker 3: human waste system of the gulag. Right, it's just meant

647
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Speaker 3: to you're just part of this trash that they are processing,

648
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: that they're putting through the system. And how the jailers

649
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: if you will, you know, the people running this process,

650
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: it would beat you and interrogating everything else. The notion

651
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: of you professing your innocence was an insult to them

652
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: because all you were doing was slowing down the process.

653
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: And if you were there, you had to be guilty. Right,

654
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 3: This is they don't make the party. This goes exactly

655
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: what you're saying. The party doesn't make mistakes. So what

656
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: do you mean You're here but you're not supposed to

657
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: be here. Are you really saying that you are above

658
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: the party in this issue, and that you are are

659
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: saying that they're wrong? I mean, how could how could

660
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: you know? It's like saying the pope is wrong and

661
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: still being a Catholic or something. I mean, you know

662
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 3: much more than that, but you get what I mean.

663
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: It was it was meant to be entirely soul crushing.

664
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: And so I would say a few things. One is

665
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: the force confession part of this, because this is again

666
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: along the pathways and the tactics of a manufactured delusion.

667
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: Why is is a confession so important? You mentioned this

668
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: in the show trials because I really looked into this

669
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 3: as well. And you know, as part of the research

670
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: of the book, Stalin was having liquidating millions of people,

671
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: and people were just being executed everywhere middle of the night,

672
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: taken out against a wall and some dungeon shot. Why

673
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: go through this thing? And Raschkowsky, who's one of the

674
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: figures in the book, he was someone who Stalin not

675
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: only had a show trial of, he was like the premiere,

676
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, Marxist communist zealot. I mean, this was a

677
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: guy who had been in the struggle all along, his

678
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: father had been in the struggle. I mean he was,

679
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: and they made him confess to what you said, absurd things,

680
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: I mean, things that it was impossible for him to

681
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 3: have done. And it was interesting to see why would

682
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: they do this? And my and I'm not alone in this,

683
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: but I think the analysis of it comes out with

684
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: or comes up with Don wanted to show people that

685
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: he could break anyone, that he would break them so

686
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: thoroughly that they would profess to have abandoned everything that

687
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: they had devoted their life to and demand their own

688
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: execution publicly as well, which is what Rashkovski ended up doing.

689
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: That's how effective they were at beating force confession, beating

690
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: force confession the Chinese with forced confession the Chinese Communists.

691
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: This was this was a fascinating you know, addition to

692
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: what I had known. I mean, I knew that they

693
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: would do the struggle sessions and people would say stuff,

694
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: but they would have people in the jail, you know,

695
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: sort of take yourself. It's you know, nineteen fifties. You know,

696
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 3: you're in Beijing or whatever, some province, you know, Hunan somewhere,

697
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: and they bring you to a prison and they start

698
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: beating you, and they go okay, and at first you

699
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: say you're innocent, which of course just takes them off

700
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: even more, just like in the Gulag. Right, of course,

701
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: you're not an innocent you're here. If you're here, you're

702
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: not innocent. That's the way the system works. But after

703
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 3: the first few days, you'd finally you'd had no sleep,

704
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 3: you'd had no food, you'd been beaten. You know, your

705
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: body is broken down, and that of course affects very

706
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: much your psychological processes. You say, fine, I'll confess, and

707
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: your expectation is that whatever they had said to you,

708
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: you just say, fine, I did it, and then everything

709
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: will start to get a little bit better, or at

710
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: least it'll end. But no, it doesn't end, because your

711
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: confession is never sincere enough, so they would make you

712
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 3: go through these iterations of confessing and confessing more and

713
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: putting more names in there, and betraying more people. By

714
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: the way, and the whole point of it is to

715
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: completely destroy eradicate unmore, pull away from everything that had

716
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: meaning to you before, everything you stood for before, everything

717
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 3: you believed in that you thought was true. And only

718
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: when they thought you had achieved that, only when you

719
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: would say, you know, actually, my own mother was the

720
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: one that was taking the the you know, the spy

721
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: sack full of the microfilm to the British at this place,

722
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: and I was under my fin the party leader. And

723
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: that only when you would give up anyone and say anything,

724
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 3: would they then start to treat you a little bit better.

725
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: Would they then start to bring you to the meetings

726
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: where you would go through the struggle session stuff and

727
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: talk to the other So uh, there was It was

728
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: really systematized in a in a in a way that

729
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: tried to treat people like robots or like a mechanistic being.

730
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

731
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Speaker 3: And they were able to have tremendous at least short

732
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: term success with breaking people and making them mouth the

733
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: preferred slogans. So this stuff when you start to get

734
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: into about and by the way, why do I care

735
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: about this so much? I mean, I remember being at Amherst.

736
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: I know you were a dartmouth, a dartmouth guy. I

737
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: remember being at Amherst. And one of the first things

738
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: in our sort of you know, uh freshman indoctrination training,

739
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: which they didn't call it that, that's what it was,

740
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: was to confess your privilege in front of all of

741
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: your you know, they invited the white, cis male whatever

742
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: else they want to say me to stand up and

743
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 3: basically say I'm so sorry for being who I am.

744
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: What is the what is the point of that if

745
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: not to undermine someone and make them begin to be

746
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: more susceptible to whatever other influences you then want to

747
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: impose upon them. So this or the or the land

748
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: acknowledgments to that, I mean, do we really think that

749
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: the uh you know, the city, the City Council of

750
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: uh on of Oneanta is gonna all of a sudden say,

751
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: you know what we or you know, Buffalo, New York

752
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: think saying we're going to give us back to the Huron.

753
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: We're going to give this whole thing back. So what's

754
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: the point of your land acknowledgement? Why make everyone sit

755
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: there and go through this. Well, of course, part of

756
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: it is just a show of virtue, that's true, but

757
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: also part of it is to degrade your sense of

758
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: what is true, what is meaningful, and what is necessary.

759
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Debian and I went to Australia actually we want

760
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: to lecture tour with Tucker a couple of years ago,

761
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: and everywhere we went, even as the Quantas airline descended

762
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: on a city, the they would do a land acknowledgment

763
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: on the plane, and so Debian and I were like,

764
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: so dowunded at this, And of course our first thought was, well, gee,

765
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: come on already, if I mean, if this land really

766
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: belongs to the Aborigines, Well, return it to them. It

767
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: seems kind of weird to keep the land and do

768
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: the acknowledgment. And I think what you're saying is that,

769
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: guess what the land acknowledgement is actually not about the

770
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Aborigines at all. It is about battering down the ordinary

771
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Westerner and undermining your cultural self confidence, undermining the idea

772
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: that you even have a right to live where you do.

773
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: Your own home.

774
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: Is sort of called in the title, deeds of it

775
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: are being called into question. You're now a usurper, an impostor,

776
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: a colonialist, an occupier, and so all of this is

777
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: intended to create a moral inversion in which you now

778
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: become pliant. You're now like, okay, I give up, I

779
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: don't really have a right to any of my stuff,

780
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: And may maybe this then becomes a pretext for the

781
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: state to say, well, in that case, if we take

782
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: it from you, you don't really have any just grounds

783
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: for complaint because it wasn't yours in the first place.

784
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: Yes, that is all absolutely spot on. That is exactly

785
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: what I try to lay out in the book, and

786
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: one of the sort of central premises of it. So

787
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: there's Pavlov and there's understanding the brain and pressure and

788
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: how that can be used, and then there's the different

789
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: ways that this played out in places. And there's a

790
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: really fascinating guy who's kind of fallen out of the

791
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: common discourse. His name is Yost Mirlu, and he was

792
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: a He fled Nazism in the Netherlands. He was a Jewish,

793
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: a Dutch Jewish psychiatrist, and he managed to get out

794
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: of the Netherlands under Nazi occupation and go to the

795
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: UK and was part of the Dutch army and exile.

796
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: And as people often do when they have a particular

797
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: skill set, he got into psychological warfare psychological operations of

798
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: the Allies against the Nazis because he had a background

799
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: as a psychiatrist and understood some of these processes, and

800
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: also that led him then to understand better how to

801
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: do these things. He interviewed high level Nazis in prison

802
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: as well to understand how was it that they did

803
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: what they did, you know, how was it that they

804
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: were able to Essentially, I mean you want to talk

805
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: about a manufactured delusion, right, I mean, Nazism is a

806
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 3: manufactured delusion that ended up killing tens of millions of people,

807
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: and there he goes through. I mean, he wrote a

808
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: book Rape of the Mind, which I think is a

809
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: fascinating book that people should go you written in the fifties,

810
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: really about brainwashing, but understanding what it really is and

811
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: how it has really used. And it's not you know,

812
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: some wou wu thing of someone with like a you know,

813
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: with a watch going back and forth, and you were

814
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: getting very sleepy. I mean, these are things that were

815
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 3: that were the biggest, most powerful governments in the world

816
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: other than America, were trying at scale on their own

817
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: people in the twentieth century and still to this day

818
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: in some ways. So you know, this isn't a this

819
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: isn't an out there thing. We're not doing astrology here.

820
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: I mean, this is real, This is real, This is science.

821
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: This is regime foundational regime conduct. And so he said

822
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: again back to Merlu that the twin pillars of menticide,

823
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: which is a term that he coined, killing of the brain.

824
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: And there's a chapter in the book it's just on

825
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: menta side on Merlu it was dnaesha was confusion and degradation,

826
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: and this is what he said. So you have to

827
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: you have to imagine whether you're in Nazi Germany, you're

828
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: in the Soviet Union under the Marxists, you're in any

829
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: any of these places. What is something that all of

830
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 3: the propaganda, all of the government pressure on the individual

831
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: mind is meant to do. You're always supposed to be confused,

832
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: changing terms, changing who's in favor, changing who the good

833
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: person is, changing whether you're ok you're not okay. So

834
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: there's no consistency, and this is critical. By the way,

835
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 3: you'll see this in individual interrogations as well. There's something

836
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: that they call the Alice in one. I don't get

837
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: into this in the book, but this is part of

838
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: the research Alice in Wonderland effect, where they're just, you know,

839
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: they want you to think night is day, you don't

840
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: know what time it is, you know, up is down,

841
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: and everything else. They want to keep you as confused

842
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: as possible because that's a step in breaking down the

843
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: psychological processes of being able to fight back and really

844
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: just to keep you attached to the truth. And the

845
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: other is degradation. So it's confusion and degradation, or the

846
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: twin pillars of menta sod are really breaking your mind.

847
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: And the degradation piece of this and this takes me

848
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: right into what we see with a lot of the

849
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 3: gender identity stuff, because again in each one of the chapters,

850
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: for everybody at home, if you get manufacturing collusion, I

851
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: take this to where we're seeing this today. This isn't

852
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: a history book thorough there's a lot of history in it.

853
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: And with the gender madness, the whole point is to

854
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: get you to say things that are just just objectively

855
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: obviously untrue, but force you to say them, press you

856
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: to say them over and over again, because eventually you

857
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: not only are complicit in it just by saying it,

858
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: but also the mere repetition itself. The degradation of reason,

859
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: the degradation of your ability to discern fact from fiction,

860
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 3: has an effect on the way that you approach everything.

861
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: And so that's why they're so insistent on it's not

862
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: about being polite. They are so insistent on using the

863
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: preferred pronoun. They're so insistent on saying that a two

864
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: hundred pound you know, man does not have a biological

865
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: advantage in the shot put over one hundred and thirty

866
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: pound woman. I mean this, if you're willing to say

867
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 3: that the point is next red or that a woman

868
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 3: could have a penis. If you're willing to say that,

869
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: you're willing to say anything, and your brain makes note

870
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: of that. So it's it's a submission, but it's also

871
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: a rewriting of your fundamental psychological architecture. And that that's

872
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: really the heart of menticide. And that's why any process

873
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: that's meant to keep you confused but also degrade you

874
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: your sense of reason and what your beliefs are are

875
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: so powerful as psychological tools of manipulation.

876
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 2: Your approach in the book is.

877
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: Really to look at the techniques of re education, brainwashing,

878
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: conditioning that we associate with foreign totalitarian regimes. Right, you

879
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: discuss the Nazis, you discuss the Soviets, the North Koreans,

880
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: the Chinese. We haven't talked about this, but you also

881
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: discuss the Jihadis how you saw as a CIA officer,

882
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: the ways in which they would take an ordinary kid,

883
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, seventeen years old and turn that guy into

884
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: a suicide bomber or into an aspiring suicide bomber. And

885
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: so the techniques here are ones that we associate with

886
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: these authoritarian and utalitarian regimes.

887
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: But then you go on.

888
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: To say all of these techniques perhaps in a modified

889
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: form we see in our own society, and we see

890
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: being deployed by the left. And you just gave the

891
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: example of this sort of gender bending. Now the way

892
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: I look at it, if I think about the trans phenomenon,

893
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: First of all, when you and I grew up, nobody

894
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: even talked about this right. In fact, the kind of

895
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: governing push of the left was essentially to say, and

896
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: this was in the context of homosexuality and the push

897
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: for gay marriage, that gender identity is fixed. In other words,

898
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: they said, these poor gays, you shouldn't be intolerant of them,

899
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: because they don't have a choice in the matter. They

900
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: can't help being gay, and that's the way they're born,

901
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: and that's the way they're made, and so you have

902
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: to extend some compassion, some consideration, give them the same

903
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: rights you have. And as the society is slowly molded

904
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: to accepting that, we get a major seu, which is

905
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: we're suddenly told no, it's not that at all. People

906
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: can actually completely undo their biology through psychology. In other words,

907
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: if I'm a biological male and I decide that I'm

908
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: a woman, first of all, that establishes me as a woman.

909
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: I can then go ahead and do some you know,

910
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: medical treatments and so on to cosmetically alter my body

911
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: in line with But the point is that the psychology

912
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: is primary, which I guess means the gender can be chosen.

913
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: So here's a classic example of a complete u turn

914
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: by the same people who twenty five years ago tried

915
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: to tell us the gender was fixed, now telling us

916
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: the gender is fluid. And not only is it fluid,

917
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: but there are many many genders.

918
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: So how is this.

919
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: Kind of I'm trying to get to the bottom of,

920
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, they don't get you and me to believe it.

921
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: We pushed back, We laugh at it.

922
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: We say it's we apparently have shown some immunity to

923
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: this kind of brainwashing. But a lot of people, including

924
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: a lot of smart people on a lot of good campuses,

925
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: are suckered into this. And what I'm trying to get

926
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: at is how are they suckered into it? Are they

927
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: suckered into it? Because you know, some clever professor of

928
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: you know, let's just say anatomy says, hey, guess what

929
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: you know. In nineteen seventy seven, a man was born

930
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: with what looks like a vagina or is penis was

931
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: only like half an inch long, and therefore he's intermediate between.

932
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: Is that how it goes where the ordinary kid goes?

933
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: Oh?

934
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: Wow, I never heard of that. I guess there really

935
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: are many genders after all. Or is it something more

936
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: sinister that goes way beyond the pointing out of a

937
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: kind of anomalous and bizarre biological fact.

938
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: Well, there's so much there. I just first thing I

939
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 3: wanted to jump in with is on your point about

940
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: gender denesh. I think it's also important for people to

941
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: note that even the current because this goes to confusion

942
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: and degradation, right, even the current orthodoxy is subject to

943
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: change and completely absurd. What they're saying now about how

944
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: many you know this is the joke about for example,

945
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: lgbt QIA plus. I believe that was how far it went,

946
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 3: and the letters were getting so long that now they've

947
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: just done this plus thing to be inclusive, because they're

948
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: leaving open the possibility they're going to have to change

949
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: this and add some other weird thing in there in

950
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: the future. Right, So it's eternal truth scientifically, they will say,

951
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: except that they're saying it's also subject to subject to

952
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 3: revision in six months or whatever the needs may be.

953
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 3: I wo'd also point out that gender transition is now

954
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: called gender affirmation because they have to to your point

955
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: about the this is like an immutable characteristic. Essentially, you're

956
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: actually a female, not a male, and anyone who doesn't

957
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: agree with that is blocking the affirmation of that truth.

958
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: They've changed the terminology to affirmation. But I would note

959
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: that if gender is therefore either on a spectrum or mutable,

960
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: they will not allow conversation about people who are called

961
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: d transitioners, who are like say, a man who because

962
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 3: usually a woman in the can taste of transitioner, but

963
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: a woman who becomes a man who then wants to

964
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 3: go back to being a woman again, They say, well,

965
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: that's not possible. Well, why is that not possible? The

966
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: first transition was based upon the feelings of the person.

967
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: Why can't the second transition be big ah, Because then

968
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 3: it brings you know, the whole logic of the thing

969
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: collapses under its own. And another example of this, I

970
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: might add is gender assigned at birth. Densh you have kids,

971
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: I'm a friend of your wonderful daughters. If you wanted

972
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 3: to know the gender of your son or daughter months

973
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: before birth, you can, because it is not assigned at birth.

974
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 3: They can look. So even the notion of gender assigned

975
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: at birth is a falsehood on its face because the

976
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: gender is known through ultrasound and other scientific processes months

977
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: and months before the birth even happens. Again, if somebody,

978
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: the doctors certainly know, they can tell you or not

979
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: tell you. So that the whole notion of gender assigned

980
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 3: at birth, which we're supposed to say, is absolutely completely absurd. Sorry,

981
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: so I just think that, But that just goes to

982
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: show you how it all actually degrading. This whole thing is.

983
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 3: It just runs in circles and makes no sense. But

984
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: you're supposed to mouth the preferred slogans and nod your

985
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: head and confess that you used to not use the

986
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: preferred pronouns and all these things. And then as to

987
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: the susceptibility question, because that's very, very important, I can

988
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: go back to Pavlov on that because one of the

989
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 3: and this is in some ways the most encouraging thing

990
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: out of all of this, because people say, how do

991
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: we fix and I know we're kind of getting to

992
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: that point in the conversation, right well, how do we

993
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 3: fix this or how do we fight it? And you

994
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: mentioned souls and eats, and I mentioned them in the

995
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 3: book Live Not by Lies. I mean, you just have

996
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: to be able to identify. Doesn't matter who's tell you,

997
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what the belief is, doesn't matter how many

998
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: scientists quote unquote sign on to it or how many

999
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: experts or whatever. It is. A lie is a lie,

1000
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: and a lie is bad. And that is the initial

1001
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: antidote I think to all of this. And also Pavlov

1002
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: found with the dogs that even a very almost mechanistic

1003
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: process or a kind of industrial this is how we do.

1004
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: This is how we do the following things to get

1005
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: the dogs to behave a certain way Among canines, who

1006
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: have obviously a vastly less complicated cerebral cortex than we do.

1007
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: Among the dogs, there was a lot of variation, and

1008
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: some of them it just didn't really work. So some

1009
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: of them, you know, you can't get them to behave

1010
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: the way that you would want based on these processes.

1011
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: Some of the dogs, by the way, in the flood

1012
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: who were saved stayed exactly the same afterwards. They were

1013
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: able to process that trauma and not have the extreme,

1014
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: you know, the extreme after effects of either massive behavioral

1015
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: change or wiping away of the conditioning you know, brainwashing,

1016
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: if you will. And so each individual is different and

1017
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: it's up to each individual to find there are ways

1018
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: to fight through this, uh and and to and I

1019
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: think identifying it is the most the most critical aspect

1020
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: of it. But in terms of in terms of susceptibility,

1021
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I do believe that in people that, for example,

1022
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: lack I think lack a a tradition of relation or

1023
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: a relationship with God, or have any sense of faith

1024
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: and why they are here and what they do, it

1025
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: is it is harder in many cases to break down

1026
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: somebody who it's not impossible, but to break down somebody

1027
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: who has a firm sense of of who they are

1028
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: and uh, what is goodness and what is evil? And

1029
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: and that sort of confidence in belief is instilled through

1030
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 3: just just constantly learning about the immutable truths if you will,

1031
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: that we all live with, or the universal truths. So

1032
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: you know, there's no easy there's no easy answer to

1033
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: getting around all this stuff. But I think it's critical

1034
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: to understand how it is done and why it is

1035
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: done and how effective it can be, because that's how

1036
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: we had people, uh, you know, sitting in a park

1037
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: in a circle being told that that makes you safer

1038
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 3: from COVID than if you weren't in the park, in

1039
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: the grass circle. The stuff. People were doing insane things.

1040
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: Millions and millions of Americans were doing insane things that

1041
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 3: are that are in retrospect. You I can't even believe.

1042
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: Remember the people that were doing the band practice, they

1043
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: would cut out the hole for the clarinet or you know,

1044
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: the flute or the whatever, or you know the or

1045
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: the people that were in the in the the bubbles.

1046
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: Remember we had these plastic plexiglass things to protect those.

1047
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: By the way, you know, they actually found out that

1048
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 3: that makes it worse from a virology perspective because it

1049
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: blocks airflows. You're actually gonna have more concentrations of viral

1050
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: particle in the air in a room because of those

1051
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 3: plexiglass dividers. Now, I think it's pretty not but the

1052
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: point is it doesn't protect you at all. And everyone

1053
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: was doing this to Nish. But you see, you know,

1054
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: you go on to college campus, everybody how many women

1055
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: and men if you asked, you know, if you ask

1056
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: them at at Harvard, you know, can women? Can women

1057
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 3: have a peanis? Can a man have a vagina? I

1058
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: think an answer from a lot of them is going

1059
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: to be yes, which is insane.

1060
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, and to me, I begin to

1061
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: wonder whether, in a way, the left, you could almost say,

1062
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: was going too far with the gender stuff for the

1063
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: simple reason that you and I and anybody is in

1064
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: an easy position to verify the truth of the matter.

1065
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: I mean, let me put it this way.

1066
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: For a number of decades I kind of admired the

1067
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: ingenuity of the left because they would make some claim

1068
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: that the ordinary guy had no way to check out.

1069
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: Let's say, for example, the remember the doomsday clock the

1070
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: world is like three seconds away from nuclear holocaust. Well,

1071
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: how the heck do you or I know if that's

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Speaker 1: even true. We don't know. We have to sort of

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Speaker 1: rely on somebody else. Or even take climate change, that

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Speaker 1: the the average temperature of the Earth, let's say, from

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Speaker 1: nineteen oh one to the present, has gone up one

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Speaker 1: and a half degree, Well we'd have to go out

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the ocean and compare temperatures,

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Speaker 1: which you and I can't do. And so we go, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess if somebody else says that, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take it on face value. But when they come to

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Speaker 1: something that's different or even systematic racism. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: and I have no way to measure the amount of

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Speaker 1: systematic racism in a society. So the left was ingenious

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Speaker 1: about making these let's call the meta claims about society

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Speaker 1: and that the ordinary guy was clueless about, and then

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Speaker 1: they would beat you into submission to agreeing with their

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Speaker 1: way of looking at it. Otherwise you are backward, you're reactionary,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But when they say something like gender assigned

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Speaker 1: at birth, that's in a different category. Because you and

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Speaker 1: I and anybody else can go look at an ultrasound

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Speaker 1: and when you zoom in you begin to realize it's

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Speaker 1: not a sign of bird. This is just something that

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Speaker 1: you and I can check out and see to be

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Speaker 1: completely fallacious.

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Speaker 2: And yet the left persists with it.

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Speaker 1: In other words, they are willing to go against the

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Speaker 1: evidence of our eyes. They're basically saying, don't trust your

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Speaker 1: lying eyes, trust us.

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Speaker 3: Well, I agree with everything you said, I would just

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Speaker 3: I would take a perspective on it. Those that the

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Speaker 3: fact that they got as far and they have gotten

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Speaker 3: as far as we have seen with the obviously absurd

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Speaker 3: gender madness stuff, I actually find deeply distressed. I agree

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Speaker 3: with you that there's a tact that there is a

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Speaker 3: tactical mistake perhaps, and there's pushback now, but they have

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Speaker 3: not abandoned this, and to me, it should be at

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Speaker 3: all and it should be very concerning. I mean, when

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Speaker 3: you have Neil de grasse Tyson, who's a wildly overrated

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Speaker 3: scientist but a you know, an astrophysicist or whatever, he's

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Speaker 3: a scientist, when you have him on the Bill Maher show,

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Speaker 3: and Bill Maher looks at him. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you know this clip, but you know you've seen and

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Speaker 3: where this is going. Yeah. Bill mart looks a him

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Speaker 3: and says, you're a man of science, yours you know this?

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Speaker 3: Men have an advantage over women in sports? And he goes, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know that we could say that,

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Speaker 3: I know. I mean think about the ramifications of this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about the implications essentially. Now you have

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Speaker 3: people who are supposed experts in the field. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I think we're all experts on whether a man is

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Speaker 3: a man or a woman as a woman. It's pretty straightforward, right,

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Speaker 3: but supposed you know, I remember there was a thing

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Speaker 3: for a while people were like I can't tell. I'm

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Speaker 3: not a biologist. That became a lifeline. One thing I

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Speaker 3: will say, and I didn't get into this in the book.

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Speaker 3: And there are a lot of things that I you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I might have to rune another one, right,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that I wish I could.

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Speaker 3: The one people talk about an antidote to this stuff

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Speaker 3: or a defense against this denesh mockery. Totalitarians, cult leaders,

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Speaker 3: people who want to have real pernicious control over your

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Speaker 3: mind and whatever. The thing that they cannot abide is mockery.

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Speaker 3: Mockery is absolutely lethal to their tools of control. And

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Speaker 3: you know, in different ways over time, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: Soviet's actually, like the Soviet civilians, you know, started to

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Speaker 3: become a lot more you know, a lot more salty

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Speaker 3: about the realities of the world around them. Now they

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Speaker 3: were there's a massive state built upon a mountain of

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Speaker 3: force and threats around it. But they you know, there

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Speaker 3: was a greater awareness over time to I think what

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Speaker 3: was going on. But mockery is something that totalit that

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Speaker 3: is lethal to total I mean even Voltaire new this, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: mockery is lethal to totalitarian control. And so that's something

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Speaker 3: and the gender stuff really leaves open a lot, a

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Speaker 3: lot of space for that because you know, the twenty

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Speaker 3: seven pronouns or the thirty seven pronouns or whatever it

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Speaker 3: is we're supposed to believe in, those are all things

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Speaker 3: that a person I think rightly reacts to with mockery

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Speaker 3: because it is worthy. It is really demanding of ridicule.

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Speaker 3: It's not even just deserving of it ding a ridicule.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's another component to I think how this

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Speaker 3: can all, how this could and should be handled. But

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Speaker 3: there there has absolutely been a really profound effort by

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Speaker 3: the left to get people to bend the knee on

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Speaker 3: this because the you know, there's a scene that I

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Speaker 3: and I kind of alluded this before, but there's a

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Speaker 3: scene at the very it's the very end of nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty four Orwell's masterpiece. You know, Orwell brilliant writer. Took

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Speaker 3: him a little too long to figure out the whole

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Speaker 3: socialism is bad thing. But anyway, but a brilliant writer,

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Speaker 3: and obviously nineteen eighty four is incredibly important. But the

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Speaker 3: end of nineteen eighty four, he you know, the main

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Speaker 3: character denounces his his lover, his love interest, I mean,

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Speaker 3: his sort of act of personal rebellion against the regime.

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Speaker 3: And when the when the cage of rats is going

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Speaker 3: to be put around his head, He's like, no, take her,

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Speaker 3: she's the one you want. Take her. And then they

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Speaker 3: take their round. Okay, now they've got him. Now they've

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Speaker 3: really broken him, right, And you see Neil de grasse

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Speaker 3: heysin on Bill mahershow the scientists saying, well, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if men have a physiological advantage over women in

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Speaker 3: athletic competition. They broke him to.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I mean it.

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Speaker 1: And they got him without putting rats. You know, they

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Speaker 1: didn't have to put rats around his space. They have

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Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is they've got a subtle

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Speaker 1: system that is no less effective than that. You know,

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Speaker 1: Buck years ago, when I wrote my first book in

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Speaker 1: liberal education, this was the nineties, the era of speech codes,

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Speaker 1: I noticed that one of the speech codes, they would

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Speaker 1: would penalize all these racist statements and defenses of columbus

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Speaker 1: and if you said this, and if you said that,

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Speaker 1: and if you made racially insensitive remarks. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that the speech codes also penalized was quote

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Speaker 1: inappropriately directed laughter, in other words, the mockery that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about if you if you derided and marked the

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Speaker 1: regime they were, they wanted to punish you for doing that,

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Speaker 1: and they did so.

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Speaker 2: Guys, this is a great book. It's called Manufacturing one Thing.

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Speaker 3: And they're just this is so easy. Just you just

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Speaker 3: made me remember, mimind me something. The Nazis had a

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Speaker 3: crime that they would I mean like a statutory offense

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Speaker 3: of physiognomic insubordination, which meant not paying enough at not

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Speaker 3: you know, standing up straight enough, paying enough attention, being

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Speaker 3: as engaged as they wanted you to during a parade

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Speaker 3: or during some kind of a public event, or or

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Speaker 3: even just if senior officers walk by as a civilian

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Speaker 3: physiognomic insubordination slout shoulders, not standing at attention, we're gonna,

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Speaker 3: you know, beat you with truncheons and throw you in

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Speaker 3: a cell. Anyway, So yeah, yes, yes, very much, very much.

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Speaker 2: The case enjoyed it very much, Buck.

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Speaker 1: The book is Manufacturing Delusion, Buck Sexton, thank you very much, the.

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Speaker 3: Nice thank you.

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