1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Trials and crises are inevitable. Jesus warned us they would come. 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: While we cannot choose the trials we face, we can, however, 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: choose how we respond to them and look at them 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: as opportunities to grow and learn more about God. In 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: this episode of Your Hope Filled Perspective, I'm joined by 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Lynn Reinstra, author of the inspiring book Sacred Refuge, Finding 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Unexpected Shelter in Your Crisis. Lynn shares how our personal 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: life crises became the gateway to discovering God's indestructible shelter. 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: Through her books, she introduces the reader to a sacred 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: sisterhood that unites the modern and biblical stories of overcoming fear, loss, debt, 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: and loneliness. Together, we'll explore how God's love and compassion 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: provide a soul safe refuge even in the midst of 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: the most difficult challenges. 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: Welcome back to. 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: Your Hope Filled Perspective, where it's always our goal to 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: restore hope, renew minds, and empowered listeners to live in 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: your God given identity. I'm your host, doctor Michelle Bankson, 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: and I am delighted that you have. 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: Chosen to spend a few minutes of your week with us. 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Today, we're going to be talking about how to move 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: from hiding to healing, discovering God's refuge in troubled times. 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: Joining me is Lynn Reinstra, who serves Samaritan's Purse as 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: a regional director and has seen crises up close through 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: her travels. She recently navigated her own crisis through cancer. 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: Trained in English at Smith College, she also holds a 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: certificate and spiritual formation, and along with her calling as 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: pastor's wife, women's event leader, and writer, Lynn finds joy 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: in traveling, family and friends. So I'm honored to welcome 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: my friend Lynn to the program. 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Welcome, Thank you so much. Shall What a joy to 32 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: be with you. 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: We have been trying to make this happen for a while, 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: but you and I both agree that God's timing is perfect, 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: and so I'm excited for our listener and our viewer 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: to hear what God has for them today. Frequently, our ministry, 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: our calling, our books come out of our own needs. 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: Just share a little bit about why you wrote Sacred Refuge. 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: Well, the idea for the book was actually born when 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: COVID hit, and like a lot of people, I just 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: kind of went under fear, and after a week of 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: not sleeping well, not eating well, kind of like what's 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: happening and what's coming, I said, this is crazy. I 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: am a blood bought and beloved child of the Living God. 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: I am not going to let the enemy have any 46 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: more time in my headspace or my spirit. And it 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: was time to boot him out and say you're done. 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: I will not live in fear. The Bible actually says 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: do not fear three hundred and sixty five times right, 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: one for every day of the year. And that was over. 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: And then I started realizing, if I'm dealing with fear, 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: maybe other women are dealing with fear and struggling to 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: find this safe refuge in who God is for us. 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: And then my work through Samaritas Verse has taken me 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: around the globe. I've met women who are in crisis, 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: and it hit me that their stories, women in migration 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: in Africa who don't know if they're going to have 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: enough food to feed their children the next day. All 59 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: those stories were very parallel to the biblical stories of 60 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: women that we read today in the scriptures, and so 61 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: the idea for the book was born out of that. 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: This is an invitation as you mentioned, for women to 63 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: come out of hiding, which is what fear of course 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: puts us in, and into a soul safe place that 65 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Jesus has built for us in the Gospel. And I'll 66 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: share a little later perhaps about kind of the living 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: laboratory that the Lord took me through as I was 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: writing the book. What kinds of things were coming my 69 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: way by way of crisis during the writing process. 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: I like that notion of soul safe. Oh, isn't that 71 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: what our abba father wants to be nus? Yes, Then 72 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: you begin your book by talking about one of your 73 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: first crises, your dad leaving the family when you were 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: just four years old. Talk about the impact of that 75 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: and how even in difficulty, it now helps you help others. 76 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that was my first crisis. God allowed. Although 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: we look at hard things like this, we say, God 78 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: does it work through this. Yes, he doesn't cause sin 79 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: and separation and heartache. But He is so good and 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: so powerful he can actually use the worst of circumstances 81 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: for our good, which is to draw us to Himself 82 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: and to make us more like Jesus. So, yeah, four 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: years old, My first memory actually was watching my dad 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: walk out the front door. Of our apartment, and the enemy, 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: as is his way, right, the father of lies, Jesus 86 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: calls him, and the author of stealing, killing, and destroying. 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: He came and he began just to lie to me. 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: Said something along the lines of, well, if your dad, 89 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: who's supposed to love you and be there for you, leaves, 90 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: that must mean that you are literally nothing and no one. 91 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: And the best you can hope for, girlfriend is to 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: fake your way through life, to put on a false persona. 93 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: And you're going to have to be the prettiest, nicest, sweetest, smartest, 94 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: least rejectable version of you you can be just to survive. 95 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: And I lived that way for years until the power 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: of the Gospel began to break through and show me 97 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: my true identity. 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: That's how steadfast the enemy is, and he knows that 99 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: he's particularly influential if he can get to us as children. 100 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: That's right. 101 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: You believe lies about our self, about others, and about God. 102 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: And he used your father's absence to lie to you 103 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 2: about you. He used my father's death when I was 104 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: a child to lie to me about God, because if 105 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: my earthly father left, why would I ever believe that 106 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: my heavenly father would stay because I wasn't worth it. 107 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: So that it's an interesting parallel that the enemy knew 108 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: how he could get to both you and I. 109 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Yes, but he didn't have the final word, did he? 110 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: Right? 111 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: Right? 112 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: But it's so important that we are diligent at uprooting, 113 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: digging out and combating those lies. 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Yes, And if I may so, let me flip that 115 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: for our listeners. Right, And I've learned how to do 116 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: this over the years. Listen, you know, not listen, don't 117 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: listen to the enemy, but you can identify his lies. 118 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: And then, because he's a liar and the father of lies, 119 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: you flip them and you begin to hear in scripture 120 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: and in the voice of the Lord the truth. So 121 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: the enemy comes and he says you are nothing and 122 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: no one. So he's just eviscerating me of any sense 123 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: of value or worth. Well, I'm going to flip that 124 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: on its head in light of the God Gospel, in life, 125 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: of who Jesus is and what He's done for us, 126 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: and in Christ he says that I am someone, not 127 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: no one, not nothing, something and someone and more than 128 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: that that he's my beloved child. Right, I'm a beloved 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: child of the Father and I'm part of the beloved 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: bride of the bridegroom Jesus, and I'm a vessel of 131 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. So all three persons of the Trinity 132 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: have something very specific to tell me about who I am. 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: And then the power the Gospel frees me from the 134 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: second lie. The enemy said, the best you can hope 135 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: for is to fake everybody out. So the enemy wants 136 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: us living in deception. Right, that's what happens with lies. 137 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Lies turn into deception image appearance. Don't worry about the inside. 138 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: You just get that mask gone, girl, and walk through 139 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: life and don't let anybody reject you. And the power 140 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: of the Gospel refutes and turns that on its head. 141 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: In fact, this is the sacred refuge that the book 142 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: talks about what Jesus has built for us through his 143 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: perfect work. When he came and lived perfectly, and died 144 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: sacrificially and then rose triumphantly, he literally pulled down and 145 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: broke the power of the enemy to lie successfully and 146 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: allow those wounds that have been placed into our hearts 147 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: and spirits, et cetera, to prosper another moment. We don't 148 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: have to believe those lies anymore. If I could unpack it. 149 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Jesus dealt with the worst crisis any of 150 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: us will ever have ever faced, and that is being 151 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: eternally separated from our holy God when he came, and 152 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Paul says, it's very well in said Corinthians five point 153 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty one. It's kind of an encapsulation of the gospel God. 154 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: The Father made him who knew no sin. That's Jesus 155 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: to be sin for us. He literally became. He literally 156 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: became our gossip, our greed, the abortion we had at seventeen, 157 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: our uncontrollable tongue that hurts people, all the things. He 158 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: became that garbage, Paul says, so that we might become 159 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: the righteousness of God in him. So two things going 160 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: on on the cross. Jesus becomes our sin, receives all 161 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the wrath of the Father for what we deserved. Right, 162 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: there's no condemnation left for us Romans eight one. And 163 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: he changes the way the Father looks at us. When 164 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the Father now sees me and you and those who 165 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: are listening who have Jesus, who are in Christ, he 166 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: sees the very perfection of Christ. And that means that 167 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: his father's heart is delighted in us. That's the invitation 168 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: to take off the masks. That's the freedom that Jesus 169 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: has purchased for us. 170 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: Your example is just yet one more in a long 171 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: list of examples that I could name of where God 172 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: takes one of our most devastating circumstances and uses it 173 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 2: for good. It's what I refer to as our sacred scar. 174 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: Yes from your mentions that you we're struggling with fear 175 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: during COVID, and so many seem to be fearful these days, 176 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: and in your book you address the growing angst that 177 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: it turns into chronic fear. Why do you think this 178 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: is happening? And just as importantly, how can we overcome it? 179 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: Right? It's happening for everyone. It's happening, especially for people 180 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: who don't have Christ. And why wouldn't it right to 181 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: live in this post fall world? Now, let's face it 182 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: feels like it's spinning faster and faster out of control. 183 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: I talk with women about shaking. Can you feel the shaking? 184 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of shaking going on, said Jerry 185 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: Lee Lewis and his old song. We're feeling it spiritually, 186 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: we're feeling it economically, we're feeling it politically, We're feeling 187 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: it across the globe. It feels like disasters are coming 188 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: harder and faster, like it's almost like the birth pangs 189 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: that Scripture describes in the final days. I think it's 190 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: possible that in the middle of the shaking, which God 191 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: is sovereign over, he is shaking us to wakea He's saying, 192 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,119 Speaker 1: will you come out of this kind of spiritual slumber 193 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: that you've allowed yourself to fall into. I understand what 194 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: that feels like. I've had seasons of my life as 195 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: a Christian speaker, as a pastor's wife, as a leader, 196 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: all those things where I'm just like, you know, I 197 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: just want to bed out. I just want to take 198 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: three hours and binge my late you know something on Netflix. 199 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: Or I just want to eat that half thing half 200 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: carton of ice cream, or I just I want to 201 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: check out. And I call those my other lovers, the 202 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: things I go to apart from Jesus, who is our 203 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: first love. Revelation tells us right when we turn to 204 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: those other lovers over anything, overeating, over drinking, over working, 205 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: busyness can be another lover. What we've really done is 206 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: shifted our life foundation. I'm not saying we've lost our salvation. 207 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying we're going to the wrong source to get 208 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: our feet under us, and the shaking will be harder 209 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: for us to deal with if we've spen spending more 210 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: time with our other lovers than with our first love, Jesus. 211 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: So it's about abiding in Him. 212 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: I think we're seeing that even in the church. 213 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: I can think of no other time when so many 214 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: pastors and leaders in the church have fallen. That's right, 215 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: And yet I look at that and it cautions me 216 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: to help ensure that I'm not looking to our pastors 217 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: or leaders to be an idol. I need to be 218 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 2: looking first and foremost to my heavenly Father. 219 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: Yes, so so. 220 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: Much good can come from the pain of the shaking, 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: but it doesn't detect from the fact that we do 222 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: live in a fallen world and it's painful, and we're 223 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: going to take a real short break to hear a 224 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: word from our sponsor. But I don't want you to 225 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: go anywhere. Stick with us to hear Lynde share more 226 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: about how to move from hiding to healing. How did 227 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: discovered God's refuge in troubled times. We'll be right back 228 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: after this word from our sponsor, Welcome back to your 229 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: hope filled perspective where my guest today is Lynn Reinstrom. 230 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: We're talking about her book Sacred Refuge. We're really discussing 231 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: how do we discover God's refuge in troubled times? Lynn, 232 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: you wrote in Sacred Refuge not in the middle of calm, 233 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: but you're your own Christ. Share some about what was 234 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: happening at that time, your own moving day as it seems. 235 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: Yes, that's really what I call it. Where my address 236 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: shifted from living here as a citizen of earth with 237 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: an earthly perspective and oh my gosh, it's all up 238 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: to me and where is God too? Now I'm a 239 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: citizen of heaven. I'm a child of God, and He's 240 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: got me, and he's covering me in his presence and 241 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: his sacred refuge. Yeah. So, halfway through the writing of 242 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: the book, I get the phone call nobody wants. And 243 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: you've gotten this phone call, you understand it, the one 244 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: in which your name and the C word are are 245 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: put together in the same sentence, and it's it's the 246 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: phone call we just dread, right, because the moment we 247 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: hear that we have cancer or any other deadly disease, 248 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: potentially deadly disease. We face our own mortality, right, and 249 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: that's a gift. I'm just going to say, there's a 250 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: gift in the midst of that kind of crisis. It'll 251 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: change how we live our life. We won't waste time 252 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: and opportunity the way we perhaps formally had it. So 253 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: that's a whole other conversation. So here, I get this call, 254 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: you have cancer. It was breast cancer, and it was 255 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: caught early, so grace of God and all of that 256 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: for sure. And I was actually at my husband's pastor 257 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: and I was at our denomination's general assembly getting that call. 258 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: And I'm in the middle of all these like five thousand, 259 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: eight thousand Christians, this, that and the other, and I'm 260 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: getting this news that I know, I know God already 261 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: knows about. And it was tempting for me at that 262 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: moment to go under fear again, right, whether it's COVID 263 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: or I've got cancer and what's God doing and where 264 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: are you got? But there was grace for me, Michelle. 265 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: I really had a sense. I mean, I knew this 266 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: thing could take me out if I didn't ask God 267 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: to heal me and go through the medical protocols, et cetera. 268 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: I ended up having surgery, ended up having radiation, and 269 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: still m cancer free. Thank you Lord, He's the healer. 270 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: But in the midst of that, I had a moment 271 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: of decision, and we really have this moment day by day, 272 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: situation by situation, and that is we can pivot away 273 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: from God and say, I don't know why you've allowed this. 274 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: You can't be good if you're allowing this, whether it's 275 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: our cancer or somebody else's medical issue or whatever it is. 276 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: Or we can believe the truth of Scripture that promises 277 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: us that He's aware of it all and that he's 278 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: bringing good out of it all, and that our greatest 279 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: good is to know Jesus and become like Jesus, and 280 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: then we can pivot toward him. We lean into those 281 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: everlasting arms. And God gave me grace to begin to 282 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: learn how to do that. I remember going through radiation 283 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: and as I'm on the table and all these rays 284 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: are shooting through my body, he gave me this beautiful prayer. 285 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: I just feel led to share it for listeners and viewers. 286 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: I am being held, I am being heard. My prayers 287 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: are being heard. I am being healed. You talk about 288 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: that journey out of hiding and fear. God, where are you. 289 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: I can't trust you to know. I trust that you 290 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: are good. Even in this not pleasant situation of radiation. 291 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm being held, heard, and healed, and I believe he 292 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: did bring healing. The other thing that was going on, interestingly, 293 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: is I get the diagnosis. The Lord is keeping me 294 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: in his sacred refuge. He's sheltering me under his wings. 295 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: So I'm ninety one six weeks I have to wait 296 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: for surgery, peaceful during surgery, get out of surgery. My 297 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: husband's driving me home. It's probably seven o'clock at night, 298 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: and we have been an hour drive to get home, 299 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, about halfway home, somebody runs 300 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: a stop sign and totals our car. Banks right into 301 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: the front right of our car. I was sitting in 302 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: the back. I felt the Holy Spirit and said, sit 303 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: in the back. You might want to lay down whatever. 304 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: Had I been sitting in the front right seat next 305 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: to my husband, I don't know what that would have 306 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: looked like, but I was that much more removed from 307 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: the place of impact. Car was totaled. EMTs come take 308 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: us to another hospital where we're checked out, and we 309 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: were banged up and bruised, but not seriously reinjured. So 310 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: it was like a one two punch. What a day 311 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: that was July twenty seventh. And yet even in that 312 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: moment of impact, Mi sew strong sense of God's presence 313 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: him just saying I've got you, I'm holding you, I 314 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: am with you, I will not let you go, and. 315 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: It's that presence. 316 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: That will get us through any crisis. 317 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: That day that I got. 318 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: That same call with that sword, we were just walking 319 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: in to see my husband's on cologists and when they said, 320 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: you know doctor Banks, and you have cancer. 321 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, you've got the wrong person. 322 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: We walked in and sat down in the waiting room 323 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: for his appointment, and just like you said, the temptation 324 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: was there to go down the slippery slope in to 325 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: worry if you're in anxiety. I had just the week 326 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: before released Breaking Anxiety Script. I just sensed in my 327 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: spirit or saying, you have just written the prescription. 328 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 3: You will get through this phase in your life. 329 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: Aren't going to believe what you wrote or are you 330 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: going to believe the lie of the enemy. That's right, 331 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: and that allowed perfect peace because the thing that is common. 332 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: Even if our listener or our viewer has not gone 333 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 2: through cancer, maybe they've had a prodigal child, or they 334 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: walked through a job loss or some other medical condition 335 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: or marital distress, whatever the crisis, whatever. 336 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: The storm, we can choose. 337 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: We have to choose whether we're going to listen to 338 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: our heavenly Father and believe this doesn't take him by surprise. 339 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: He already knew this would happen, and he already knows 340 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: how he's going to get us through it. Yes, I 341 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: know that you have worked in international aid and ministry 342 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: for years with Samaritan's Purse. How has that impacted your 343 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: view of Jesus and how he works in people's lives. 344 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: Right? What it's taught me, Michelle, among many other things, 345 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: is that crisis comes with a gift. It's the gift 346 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: nobody wants. Thinking about western North Carolina that got literally 347 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: almost washed away after Hurricane Helen came in late September, 348 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: and we hear story after story just from that response alone, 349 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: of people saying life was good, kids were fine, we 350 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: have a nice house, I'm working hard, We've got the 351 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: retirement account filling up great. And then this hits and 352 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: it's all bets are off, it's you know, everything's turned 353 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: upside down in your life. And yet this is the moment, 354 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: just like our cancer moment, et cetera, when God shows 355 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: up in a powerful way. I believe Scripture teaches, and 356 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: I think even Matthew eleven twenty eight through thirty that 357 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: invitation from Jesus come to me, all you who are 358 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: weary and heavy laden, all you who are saying I 359 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: cannot do this, and I will give you rest. And 360 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: it's found in a relationship with Him and what he 361 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: did for us on the Cross. So what I've seen 362 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: with men and women, families, both here in the US 363 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: suffering after a disaster or internationally, whether it was a famine. 364 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: I saw emergency feeding going on in Uganda refugees there. 365 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: I was in the Middle East in our field hospital 366 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: that we had there, et cetera. I watch people come 367 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: to the end of themselves, And isn't that the place 368 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: where the Holy Spirit brings us so that he can 369 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: also now bring us new life and regeneration in Christ. 370 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: Crisis hurts, It's uncomfortable everything in US as Americans, we 371 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: just our personal peace and comfort, predictability, control, and it 372 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: flies in the face and destroys all of that. But 373 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: it's the moment when God shows up in power and 374 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: says you are not alone. I am here and I 375 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: am for you. And the reason you know that, the 376 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: reason you can get your feet under you right now 377 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of the shaking of this crisis, is 378 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: that I sent Jesus for you and the Gospel. You 379 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: know what do we call him? Jesus is the rock 380 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: of our salvation. Right we can get our feet under him. 381 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: If I may just share this, I remember walking into 382 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: an emergency field hospital, and I won't go into when 383 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: it was where it was. It was the Middle East, 384 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: and what a privilege for our ministry to show up 385 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: there in Jesus' name and be able to take care 386 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: of thousands and thousands of Muslims. I will tell you 387 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: I have never experienced, I would say, almost the palpable 388 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: presence of God as I as I did in that place. 389 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: And you sit there and you go, wait, we're in 390 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: the Middle East, And let me tell you it wasn't Israel. 391 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: It was a different part of the least and a 392 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: place where the enemy's camp would be had set up shop. 393 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: I'll leave it broadly at that. Why would God be there? Well, 394 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: he was there. Wait, you're taking care of people from 395 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: another religion. Why would God be there? Oh he was there. 396 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: Terrible suffering, that's not God's idea. God didn't plan for 397 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: the fall. He didn't want us to have cancer, he 398 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: didn't want people to be blown up by bombs, all 399 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: the things. Oh, he was there. And I think there's 400 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: a sense in which God dwells in the midst of 401 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: our brokenness. That's who our God is. He has compassion 402 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: for us, He draws near. He gave us Jesus, who 403 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: really when we were sitting in the ditch, think Luke 404 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: ten the story of the Good Samaritan. We're sitting in 405 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: the ditch, ripped off by the enemy, but we're sitting 406 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: in the ditch of our own rebellion and sin, and 407 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: there's not a darn thing we can do about it. 408 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: But in compassion, Jesus liked the Good Samaritan. He's the 409 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: ultimate baron, right, the outsider God himself, who sees Us, 410 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: has compassion, crosses the road, takes on flesh, gets into 411 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: the ditch with us. So much of the church right 412 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: now we're like, I don't want to get in the mess. 413 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to be bothered. I've got a nice life. 414 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: When we choose to live that way, we're losing our 415 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: voice in the culture. We're losing the platform for gospel proclamation. 416 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it, that's my opinion. But 417 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: when we, like Jesus, are drawn to people in suffering, 418 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's our next door neighbor, literally, 419 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: the person across the street, somebody in our family, somebody 420 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: around the world, whatever it is. When we're drawn to them, 421 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: everything changes and the power of Christ in us is 422 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: released through us in ministry, and it builds an irrefutable, 423 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: I would say, platform to talk about who Jesus is and. 424 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: What a blessing it is that God gives us the 425 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: privilege to partner with him. Yes, he doesn't eat us, 426 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: it gives us the blessing to participate if we will take. 427 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: Them up on that. Friends, we're going to take our 428 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: real short break for a word from our sponsor. 429 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: But don't go anywhere, because we're going to come back 430 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: and talk to Lynn about her hope filled perspective with 431 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 2: respected discovering God's refuge in these troubled times. 432 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: We'll go back. 433 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back to your hope filled perspective. Before we wrap 434 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: up this episode, Lynn, I would appreciate it if you 435 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: would talk about the effect of sin and shame and 436 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: how we can overcome that, because I know we've got 437 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: listeners who are thinking, understand, I've just messed up too much. 438 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: I can't share what I've gone through or what I've done. 439 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I'd be glad to It's interesting. I was 440 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: just teaching a retreat last weekend for a large church 441 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, and we were talking about this very thing. 442 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: The Lord nudged me about the reality that in the 443 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: hundreds of women sitting there, some of them had had abortions, which, 444 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: for those of us who are women and we're wired 445 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: and designed by God as lifegivers, becomes I think in 446 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: many cases the ultimate hard thing to get past the 447 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: enemy lies to us. I believe, and he says, God 448 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: loves everybody else, but he can't love you because of 449 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: phill in the blank. God could forgive everybody else. Oh yeah, 450 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Jesus went to the cross. His blood is powerful, it 451 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: washes away sin, but he can't quite get past what 452 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: you did. And then we don't forgive ourselves. We walk 453 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: around on the outside like everything's great. We're going to church, 454 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: we're going to the Bible study, we're doing the Christian things. 455 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: But inside we have gone into a kind of dark place. 456 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: It plays apart from trusting that God is still with 457 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: us and for us and loves us, we believe the 458 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: enemies lie that he's disappointed with us. A lot of 459 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: I think many Christian women believe that he's just vaguely disappointed. 460 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: Like when I get my acting and I have an 461 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: hour long quiet time and stop abusing people verbally or 462 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: whatever it is, then maybe he'll he'll listen to my 463 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: prayers or begin to show up more in my life. 464 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: And that's whoy. That is the enemy's deception. If we're 465 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: in Christ, we belong to him. We have this invitation 466 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: to come with boldness and confidence. So let me give 467 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: you a visual picture, if I may, of what this 468 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: looks like for me hearing the enemy's lives. When my 469 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: dad left, you're nothing, You're knowing the most. You're always 470 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: going to be rejected, right, You're just a fearful reject. 471 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: That was the old story. It was as if I 472 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: put on and I wish I could actually pull it 473 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: out for you right now. Had expected to do this, 474 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: But I literally have these rags that I put over myself, 475 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: and I kind of curl up, and I show the 476 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: women i'm teaching spiritually what it was like to go 477 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: under shame, under that sense of accusation. You are not enough. 478 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: That's what we women walk around with a constant mantra 479 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: from the enemy, You're not enough, You're not enough. And 480 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: then I remove that because at age twelve, when my 481 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: second dad left our family, there we go. We have 482 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: more complication, more rejection. At that point, the enemy, the 483 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: enemy turned the lie into Okay, it's time you can't 484 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: trust anybody. It's time for you to build your own reputation, 485 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: your own image, or own success. And I put on 486 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: and it's literally a red cape of capability. And you've 487 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: got to be the smartest, best whatever. You're just covering 488 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: up that innate sense of shame and not being enough. 489 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: But what Christ does for us when he goes to 490 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: the cross becomes our sin and gives us his righteousness. 491 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: He fulfills the prophetic word all through the scripture, but 492 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: particularly in Isaiah sixty one ten, and in that inspired 493 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: by the spirit, the prophet, Isaiah says and you have 494 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: placed on me the robe of righteousness. What that means 495 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: is we're literally covered with the perfection and righteousness of Christ. 496 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: And that removes both the rags of rejection and the 497 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: cape of capability. It removes once and for all the 498 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: fear and the shame and that innate sense of not 499 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: being enough. We have to believe it. We have to 500 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: believe that this is who we are now in Christ. 501 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: And we really have to preach the Gospel to ourselves 502 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: every single day. 503 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: Every single day, and we have to be diligent about 504 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the lies. 505 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: Yes, we've believed. 506 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: Yes. 507 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: And if a listener is resonating with our conversation today, 508 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: maybe they are struggling with sin or shame, or they're 509 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: recognizing that, yes, times of crises have brought about belief 510 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: in Satan's lives. What hope filled perspective would you want 511 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: to leave them with today? 512 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I want to say to them that there is 513 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: an invitation, an engraved invitation. Thank Isaiah forty nine to fifteen. 514 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: Christ has engraved us on the palms of his hands. 515 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: There's an engraved invitation from the Lord for them right now, 516 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: And I'm going to read it from Psalm ninety one. 517 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Promise for you and for me and for us is this, 518 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: He who dwells and the shelter of the most high 519 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will 520 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: say of the Lord. He is my refuge and my fortress, 521 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: my God in whom I trust. So there's this invitation 522 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: to see God for who he is. Take him at 523 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: his word. Don't go by the feelings that make you 524 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: feel inadequate or feel like you're about to He's going 525 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: to pull the lever on the trap door and you're gone. No, 526 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: Christ has dealt with that. And then verse four, the 527 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: promise is, as you trust in Christ and who He 528 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: has made you to be righteous in himself, he will 529 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: cover you with his feathers. Picture that mama bird opening 530 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: up her feathers and all the babies nestled underneath. And 531 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: I went there again and again during my cancer, et cetera. 532 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: He will cover you with his feathers, and under his 533 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: wings you will find refuge. That's the invitation for you 534 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: right now. 535 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: That's what we all need more than anything, is to 536 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 2: know that despite what is going on around us, what 537 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: is happening to us, God provides. 538 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: That place of sacred refuge. 539 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: Yes. 540 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: When would you be willing to pray for our listener 541 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: and our viewer Yes, struggling to believe that for themselves. 542 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I sure would. I would love that. Father. Right now, 543 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: in agreement with my sister Michelle, and with all those listening, 544 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: we come before you with boldness and confidence, and in 545 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: the strong name of Jesus, and I ask Father, God, 546 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: that you would silence every lie of the enemy that 547 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: has been spoken to us and to our spirits through 548 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: our lives. We pray in Jesus' name that you would 549 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: bind him and those lies far from us removed, send 550 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: them back to the pit, and remove them once and 551 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: for all from our minds and spirits and lives. We 552 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: pray that no weapon formed against us would prosper another 553 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: day through those lies. And we ask instead of God 554 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: that by the power of your spirit, you would say, 555 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: and your holy spirit of truth to remind us as 556 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: you promised that he would the words of Jesus, the 557 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: words where he said, I'm going to the Father, but 558 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I will not leave you as orphans. I'm going to 559 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: send the spirit of adoption. Father. I pray for women 560 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: who are right now sitting in darkness apart from you. 561 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: They may be in church, they may be they may 562 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: be Jesus followers, they may be Jesus girls, but they've 563 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: lost that sense of connection with you because of sin 564 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: and shame and condemnation. And I pray that even now, 565 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: as some one oh seven describes it, you would rescue them. 566 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: You would break through bars of iron and break down 567 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: doors of brass, that you would go into that prison 568 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: cell in your perfect light and power and love and 569 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: compassion and lift them off of that cold, damp floor, 570 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: that place of being apart from you. In their spirit, 571 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: Some of them, Lord can't even get up. Would you 572 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: lift them in your arms, let them feel your warmth 573 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: and love and power and compassion, lift them and surround them, 574 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: and would you walk them out of that place? They're saying, 575 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm done with the lies. I'm not going to give 576 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: them any more space in my life. Help me, Jesus 577 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: is all we need to pray. And here you are, Jesus, coming, 578 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: lifting us up and out of that place, into your 579 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: arms and out into the sunshine, out into a place 580 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: of life and life abundant. That's what you promised to 581 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: give us. I pray that you would speak truth to 582 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: each one listening the specific word part of your word, 583 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: your scriptures that they can stand on, so that the 584 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: shaking and the self rejection and self hatred and fear 585 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: and shame will be silenced forever. Would you speak that 586 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: word over them, even from song of songs, Arise, my love, 587 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: my beautiful one, and come away with me. We ask 588 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: it in Jesus' name. 589 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: Amen, Lindon, thank. 590 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: You so much for sharing out of your own pain 591 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: and crises to encourage each others. That's just another example 592 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: of a beautiful, sacred scar that God is using for 593 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: others good in his glory. Friends, I know that there 594 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: is something in Lynn's testimony today that has encouraged your heart. 595 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: I hope that you will take. 596 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: Her admonition to continue to seek after the Lord, to 597 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: uproot the lies, and to maintain a posture under his 598 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: sacred refuge. And if you know someone who's going through 599 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: a difficult time right now, would you consider sharing this 600 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: episode with them to provide them a biblically based, hope 601 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: filled perspective. 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