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Speaker 1: Relief Factors studio Beltwigh, joined by an lsc Rothman, you

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Speaker 1: can follow on Exit nosc Rothman, senior writer for a

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Speaker 1: National Review, participant often in the Editors podcast. No. I

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Speaker 1: asked you to stick around extra today because I listened

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Speaker 1: to the editors this week and I love Rich, Love Michael,

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Speaker 1: Brendan Doherty, love Charles C. W. Cook. They've all been

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Speaker 1: guessing here frequently. But I don't think they I don't

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Speaker 1: think they dealt fairly with you and the last editors.

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Speaker 1: Did you get enough time to stake the case in

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Speaker 1: your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I got plenty of time.

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Speaker 3: My colleagues are more skeptical of the campaign than I am,

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Speaker 3: and for reasons that are perfectly well reasoned and legitimate

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Speaker 3: and prudent. I wouldn't question any of their motives. I

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Speaker 3: think they're sound and the.

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Speaker 2: Sacticism is justified.

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Speaker 1: Question they're wrong.

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Speaker 2: I argue that as well.

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Speaker 4: I want to give you a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of run Unspy. How you see the war.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, and as I said on the show, if

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Speaker 3: you were to gauge it, I gauge it in two

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Speaker 3: different ways, tactically and strategically. Tactically, this is one of

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Speaker 3: the most impressive military campaigns in the history of the

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Speaker 3: human race. Which is not an exaggeration the degree to

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Speaker 3: which we're taking out a top twenty military power on

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Speaker 3: the planet Earth. This is state interstate conflict. This is

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Speaker 3: not the sort of war that we're used to in

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Speaker 3: the post nine to eleven world. We're fighting as state power,

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Speaker 3: and we are doing so with incredible success. Everything is

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Speaker 3: relative and in relative terms. We've been gaming out this

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Speaker 3: war with a Ran for twenty five years longer, and

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Speaker 3: those wargames produced catastrophic results in the world. Before October seventh,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, Iran was capable of shutting down the

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Speaker 3: scary anti ship missiles, drones, ballistic missiles, etc. The prospects

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Speaker 3: were for a major campaign, a ground war with up

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Speaker 3: To say nothing of oil prices which were expected to

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Speaker 3: first week. As recently as twenty nineteen, everything changed after

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Speaker 3: dismantling Iran's proxy terrorist network, which were to pose a

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Speaker 3: real threat in an existential war. We were expecting that

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Speaker 3: Iranian terrorist cells active and passive, would be activated in

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Speaker 2: And what we're experiencing instead is total.

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Speaker 3: Air superiority, verging on air supremacy, the destruction of the

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Speaker 2: We're attenuating its drone capacity.

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Speaker 3: We're striking really hard now at these depots and factories

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Speaker 2: And we have experienced.

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Speaker 3: Three US soldiers killed by enemy fire, six rather just

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Speaker 3: I just don't understand where you're coming from. What metrics

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Speaker 1: unequivocal condemnation of the brutal Iranian attack on the industrial

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Speaker 1: opened up the Times of Israel, Noah, and they've gotten

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Speaker 3: When I say this stuff like I'm accused of being

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Speaker 3: don't want to minimize those. But again, the Iranian campaign

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Speaker 3: It was involved multiple drones hitting very specific targets designed

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Speaker 2: That's usually what happens. Very hard to forget that instead.

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Speaker 3: And we're pealing back the layers of this regime, which

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Speaker 2: These are all stratiefic objectives.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the reports of members of the besiege

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Speaker 3: I have not, but Hugh and I said this on

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: He's not said go engage in insert violence, but he

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Speaker 1: I think the world is so much better off. We

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Speaker 1: you itt no A. Rothman will be right back. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt with Noah C. Rothman,

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Speaker 1: senior writer for a National Review. Noah, I have described

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Speaker 1: the battle here has three parts Venezuela, Cuba, and of

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Speaker 1: course Iran. If you're China, how do you view the

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Speaker 3: Well, it haven't been great if you've predicated your geopolitical

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Speaker 3: Rather than split them, we want to bind them together.

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Speaker 3: It is a power embroiled in a war it cannot win.

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Speaker 5: Of those because just take a look here, MAGA GOP

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Speaker 1: I'm a Reagan Conservative. I don't know how you describe yourself?

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Speaker 1: And that is my view, is that every Republican running

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Speaker 3: My political career is important to me, and I think

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Speaker 1: Bingo. Noah Rothman campaign consultant extraordinaire, except he's not. He's

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Speaker 1: a senior writer at NRO follow him on exit. Noah

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Speaker 1: day and today, you've seen Republicans standing up demanding voter

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Speaker 1: ID and citizenship before they vote in federal elections, and

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Speaker 1: they're pummeling the Democrats because of the way the Majority

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Speaker 1: Leader John Thune set this up. The leader joint me now,

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Speaker 1: Leader Dune, welcome, Well played, mister Bond. This is if

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Speaker 1: this was a fight, they'd stop it. The Democrats could.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to.

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Speaker 7: We'll find out here soon enough. You know, I think

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Speaker 7: the one thing that this is a Save America Act

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Speaker 7: is a package of just common sense policies that should

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Speaker 7: get an automatic yes literally from every member of the Senate.

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Speaker 7: And the core of it, as you know, is a

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Speaker 7: requirement for Americans to demonstrate that they're eligible to vote

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Speaker 7: and that they are who they say they are when

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Speaker 7: they go to do so. And requiring a photo ID

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Speaker 7: for a whole lot of things in this country is

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Speaker 7: something that you know, Americans expect, You would think that

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Speaker 7: they'd be able to produce one to vote in our elections,

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Speaker 7: so I think it's on the substance where it's a winner.

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Speaker 7: We just have to do everything we can to make

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Speaker 7: sure that we're pounding them over the course the next

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Speaker 7: week or two, and then we'll see where the votes are.

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Speaker 1: Well. I enjoy tuning in when I can, and whenever

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Speaker 1: I want to break from using my voice. I just

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Speaker 1: turned on c SPAN because we're winning so well played,

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Speaker 1: well played. Is there any idea of how long they'll

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Speaker 1: put up with this?

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Speaker 4: Is?

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Speaker 1: Is there any way they can stop it? Democrats?

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Speaker 7: I mean not really. I mean what we did. We

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Speaker 7: called up the House passed version and typically to get

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Speaker 7: a up on the floor, and the Senate takes procedurally

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Speaker 7: what we call culture on the motion to proceed, which

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Speaker 7: is a sixty vote threshold in the Senate. Because this

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Speaker 7: came over in the form of a message in the House,

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Speaker 7: it was at fifty one, so we were able to.

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Speaker 2: Get on it.

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Speaker 7: And then I filled the amendment tree, which prevents the

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Speaker 7: Democrats from getting some of the amendment votes on some

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Speaker 7: of the crazy ideas they have, so it keeps it more,

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Speaker 7: gives us more control, I guess, I would say, of

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Speaker 7: the floor, and we ultimately we end up voting on

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Speaker 7: but again, we'll see how long it goes. I think

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Speaker 7: that we need to have a sufficient amount of time

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Speaker 7: obviously to make the case and get this issue in

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Speaker 7: front of the American people and hold the Democrats accountable.

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Speaker 1: So later down, if Chuck Schumer had a brainstorm, which

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Speaker 1: would be rare, but it doesn't not impossible and decided

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Speaker 1: I'll offer to reopen DHS, We'll vote on the appropriation

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Speaker 1: bill if they'll stop pummeling us. Would you take that deal?

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Speaker 7: You know, I will say that would be That's a

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Speaker 7: good question. I think that'd be a might be. It

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Speaker 7: might be an off ran for the Democrats, honestly, And

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Speaker 7: we've got to get d DHS opened up. And you know,

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Speaker 7: we've got one hundred and twenty thousand people at DHS

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Speaker 7: who started missing paychecks and many of those, of course

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Speaker 7: work with TSA or other agencies that are crucial, crucial

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Speaker 7: for national security. And so yeah, if they were willing

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Speaker 7: to make a deal on that, we might we might be,

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Speaker 7: we might be willing to negotiate, but.

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Speaker 1: They take that TKO Senator, yesterday, one of your colleagues

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Speaker 1: I talked to was about to go through to a

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Speaker 1: TSA line, and this Senator had been padded down on

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Speaker 1: their way home. I'll bet you a lot of Senators

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Speaker 1: are getting padded down unnecessarily right now because they can't

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Speaker 1: be very happy. But I think about the Coast Guard

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Speaker 1: and the counter terrorism people. This is nuts. This is

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Speaker 1: really nuts. In the middle of a war.

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Speaker 7: It is and you know, what's the second time they've

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Speaker 7: done this to you. And this is especially troubling because

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Speaker 7: we are in the middle. It's a dangerous world. We've

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Speaker 7: got cyber threats and the Cyber Office is located within

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Speaker 7: the Department of Homeland Security, so that's also affected by

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Speaker 7: this appropriation bill. And it just it makes you wonder

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Speaker 7: what is on their minds. I mean, I think they

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Speaker 7: have become so obsessed with I'm told there's another No

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Speaker 7: King's rally out here in the next week or two.

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Speaker 7: The Democrats are you know that happened last fall and

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Speaker 7: slowed down negotiations on ending that government shutdown. They are

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Speaker 7: held so hostage by the far left in the country

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Speaker 7: right now and are so infected with Trump derangement syndrome

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Speaker 7: and blind hatred of the president that they don't want

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Speaker 7: to do anything obviously that that gives him a victory

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Speaker 7: and this isn't The White House has been very willing

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Speaker 7: to negotiate. I mean, I don't know if, of course

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Speaker 7: you've been following the back and forth on this, but

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Speaker 7: they really are on ICE and DHS or I should

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Speaker 7: say customs of border patrol, the two things. Right now

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Speaker 7: the Democrats have held hostage.

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Speaker 1: That to me is a.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Defund the police, defund law.

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Speaker 7: Enforcement position that they've taken in spite of the fact

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Speaker 7: that the administration has made numerous efforts to engage with

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Speaker 7: in ways that I think the Democrats ought to be

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Speaker 7: willing to accept them. I'm just this is about politics,

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Speaker 7: nothing more, nothing less for them, you know, a.

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Speaker 1: Leader I did not know we had another No King

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Speaker 1: spectacle coming. I have heard the President called an authoritarian

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Speaker 1: by Ben Rhodes and because of Venezuela and Cuba and

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Speaker 1: Iran and the fascist talking is out there. You know

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Speaker 1: what I say to them, Supreme Court ruled against the

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Speaker 1: thing that matters most to him, the tariffs, and they

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Speaker 1: said you can't do it, and he didn't arrest him.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the like least authoritarian thing in the

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Speaker 1: world is to abide by the ruling of the people

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Speaker 1: who rule against the thing you want the most. And

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Speaker 1: so they're just silly. Let's turn to the war. Five

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Speaker 1: minutes ago and Na da Viol, a very good reporter

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Speaker 1: out of Israel, posted the IDF confirmed it has struck

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Speaker 1: the Iranian naval fleet in the Caspian Sea. The fleet

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Speaker 1: had been used during the war in Ukraine to transfer

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Speaker 1: equipment from Iran to Russia. I think the Iranians are

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Speaker 1: getting pummeled and they don't know how to surrender.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like it, I mean, and I think

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Speaker 7: the President clearly understands the importance of reopening the strait,

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Speaker 7: whether it's done the easy way or the hard way.

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Speaker 7: But you know, operations have been going on now for

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Speaker 7: less than three weeks, and thousands of stories have taken

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Speaker 7: place against their missile launchers, their ballistic missiles all the

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Speaker 7: I just think they're you know, the the administration, our

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Speaker 7: military leadership, our war planners have done a great job

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Speaker 7: of just taking completely away from the Iranians their ability

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Speaker 7: to threaten the region. And I think that's what this

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Speaker 7: finish the job. Hopefully that'll be done soon. But I

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Speaker 7: think every day we start, you know, we achieve more

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Speaker 7: of our objectives in defanging the Iranians regime.

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Speaker 1: I'm very glad that Senator Collins and our colleagues got

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Speaker 1: the defense appropriations built through. Is a supplemental necessary and

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Speaker 1: if so, can reconciliation be used to move.

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Speaker 7: It could be option obviously that we'll keep available to

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Speaker 7: us and honestly, in both defense and homeland security, if

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Speaker 7: they continue, I think we have to. We got to

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Speaker 7: do what we can and make sure we're doing everything

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Speaker 7: we can to defend the country and the homeland and

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Speaker 7: the Democrats seem very unwilling to do that. But so

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Speaker 7: if a supplemental is necessary, we'll obviously entertain that the

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Speaker 7: White House sends it up. We did, as you know,

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Speaker 7: put a significant amount of funding last summer in the

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Speaker 7: Working Family's Tax Cuts bill for defense. But you know,

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Speaker 7: obviously this costs money, and we need to make sure

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Speaker 7: that we keep sure keep our munitions built up so

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Speaker 7: that the deterrence is always the best thing that we

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Speaker 7: can do as a country. And you want to desur

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Speaker 7: bad behavior around the world. You know, it's not as

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Speaker 7: it's always been said that it's not our strength tempts

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Speaker 7: our adversaries, it's our weakness. And I think that's why

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Speaker 7: we've got to make sure that we're sufficiently funding our

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Speaker 7: readiness in a way that deters bad behavior later.

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Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember Grenada, and I'm old enough

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Speaker 1: to remember Panama and nineteen ninety one, and then of

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Speaker 1: course two thousand and one Afghanistan in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: three March to Bagdad. Every time our troops do something big,

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Speaker 1: I'm always amazed at the iterations. I mean, triple generation

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Speaker 1: jumps and weaponry accuracy lethality. Do you sit around the

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Speaker 1: Senate conference room and look at each other? How do

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Speaker 1: they do this?

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Speaker 7: You kind of do? I mean you look at the

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Speaker 7: operations that have been conducted just in this past you know,

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Speaker 7: the time frame here is starting with the B two

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Speaker 7: bombing run in Iran earlier this year, of Venezuela, this operation.

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Speaker 7: It is remarkable how good these people are, and it

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Speaker 7: makes you grateful as a nation that there are young

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Speaker 7: men and women who want to serve their country and

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Speaker 7: have the skill, the expertise, the experience and the determination

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Speaker 7: to keep the country safe. And I think we've seen

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Speaker 7: that in so many ways just in the last few months.

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Speaker 1: All Right, last question. Everyone always assumes the Republicans get along.

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Speaker 1: They've never been to a conference meeting, and now they've

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Speaker 1: seen Senator Paul and Senator Mullen kind of comeing to

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Speaker 1: verbal blows today. Does Senator Mullin have the votes to

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Speaker 1: get confirmed because we need him confirmed quickly.

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Speaker 7: We do, and they'll I'm hoping he'll be voted out

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Speaker 7: of the committee tomorrow. I think that'll be the case,

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Speaker 7: and then we'll get him up on the floor early

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Speaker 7: next week. We got to fill that position, and he's

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Speaker 7: the right person for it. And yes, there are some

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Speaker 7: it got a little spicy, and there's some personal history

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Speaker 7: that those two have, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 7: it's about the job, and you know, it's an important job,

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Speaker 7: and I think Senator Mollin is the right person to

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Speaker 7: fill it.

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Speaker 1: I always say, a little sparky is fun lights up

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Speaker 1: the night. Sah Majority of Leader of Thune. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me. As always a pleasure talking to your leader.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Josh crosh Hour

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Speaker 1: is editor in chief of Jewish Insider, a daily newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Josh Before I go to any specifics, how do you

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Speaker 1: think the war is going?

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Speaker 8: I mean, militarily, If you look at the objectives that

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Speaker 8: both the US and Israel set out at the beginning

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Speaker 8: of the war, you really couldn't have asked for a

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Speaker 8: whole lot more. The first twenty four hours saw the

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Speaker 8: killing of the Ayatola and some of the top Iranian

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Speaker 8: military officials know Israel I know certainly has had certain targets,

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Speaker 8: the besiege headquarters, some of the checkpoints, some of the

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Speaker 8: IRGC offices and leaders. So there's been a lot of

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Speaker 8: military successes. I think the one thing that has been unclear,

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Speaker 8: and we talked about this last week, Q is you

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Speaker 8: know there's been a mixed messaging for the US and Israel.

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Speaker 8: I think a little bit on whether regime changes the

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Speaker 8: goal and whether that's a reasonable expectation as a result

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Speaker 8: of the military operation.

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Speaker 4: Has also been you know, a lack I.

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Speaker 8: Think of communication a little more of the US side

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Speaker 8: in terms of what the goals are. And I think

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Speaker 8: President Trump lately, as we're talking about the war, its

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Speaker 8: aims and the threat that it posed with its nuclear

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Speaker 8: ambitions very clearly the last few days. But that's been

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Speaker 8: an issue, But in terms of the military successes, I

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Speaker 8: think Israel's been very transparent about the accomplishments. The US

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Speaker 8: has been briefing on a daily basis, and I think

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Speaker 8: militarily they've taken out a lot of the Iranian infrastructure,

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Speaker 8: a lot of the top leadership, and it has been

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Speaker 8: fairly significant to date.

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Speaker 1: Great breaking reports have the IDF sinking at least five

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Speaker 1: Iranian Navy ships in the Caspian Sea used for reef

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Speaker 1: supply of Russia. One of the Israeli journalists I followed

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Speaker 1: closely is Nada viol I think he sort of center left.

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Speaker 1: He writes in a piece called Lara Jeani was the system.

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Speaker 1: Now he's gone this paragraph. One senior figure told me

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Speaker 1: Nada vel imagine Israel waking up after weeks of war

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Speaker 1: to find no military industry, no Raphael, no Israel aerospace industries,

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Speaker 1: no R and D technological backbone for the regime left.

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Speaker 1: That's the scale of damage we're inflicting. That's the campaign

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Speaker 1: billions that they are losing each day, and that's Israel's

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Speaker 1: insurance policy for the day after. What do you think

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Speaker 1: of that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's consistent with what we've been hearing,

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Speaker 8: certainly on the Israeli side, Hugh. We have a story

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Speaker 8: on Jewish Insider about the lieutenant colonel who has been

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Speaker 8: briefing the Israeli public who said that Iran is now

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Speaker 8: as of as of right now, they're no longer able

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Speaker 8: to produce ballistic missiles, which is one of the big

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Speaker 8: goals in terms of both the goals of the war

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Speaker 8: and getting getting rid of its bablistic missile UH stockpile,

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Speaker 8: and also the nuclear inrichment. And on the ballistic missile front,

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Speaker 8: apparently they've declared UH success at least on the Israeli side.

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Speaker 4: They're the you mentioned UH.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's been a lot of notable officials in

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Speaker 8: recent days that have been taken out. The latest is

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Speaker 8: the Iranian Intelligence Minister sm A L Katib, who the

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Speaker 8: Israeli military said today that it had killed in an

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Speaker 8: overnight airstrike. So, like again militarily, there are a lot

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Speaker 8: of checks on the boxes of what the US and

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Speaker 8: Israel have been doing. I think the one big remaining

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Speaker 8: question is is regime what is the timetable and is

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Speaker 8: regime change going to be the outcome of these of

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Speaker 8: this pretty very very deliberate military even.

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Speaker 1: From the beginning, it's been my estimate that this would

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Speaker 1: go until June, but not longer than June. And that's

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Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. But I would I would

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Speaker 1: think June, given how long carriers can deploy. We have

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Speaker 1: the Ford is leaving today and the h the hw

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Speaker 1: Bush is on its way there. The Lincoln's been there

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Speaker 1: a long time. There is a durability factor there are

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Speaker 1: our Air Force has a long range strike. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there'll be any targets. Laugh Josh. That's the now

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Speaker 1: whether or not this horror moods reopens. Let me play

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Speaker 1: for you the Secretary of General of NATO RUTA today.

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Speaker 1: If you can find that clip Harley and play it

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Speaker 1: for job of ba blistic missiles.

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Speaker 9: Of the nuclear capability is severely degraded. But it comes

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Speaker 9: to the straitor for Moose. I've been in contact with

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Speaker 9: as many allies. We all agree, of course, that straight

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Speaker 9: has to open up again. And what I know is

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Speaker 9: that allies are working together discussing how to do that,

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Speaker 9: What is the best way to do it. They're working

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Speaker 9: on that collectively to find your way forward.

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Speaker 1: All right. Now, that's not saying yes, but it's not

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Speaker 1: a no, Lindsey Graham, Mister NATO blew up yesterday at

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Speaker 1: NATO's reluctance to help the United States clear the strait

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Speaker 1: and keep them open. And I'm kind of there too,

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Speaker 1: and I've always been a big supporter of NATO. What

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Speaker 1: do you think is the blowback at Britain and France

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Speaker 1: as a result of their being afraid to be a

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Speaker 1: part of this.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, it's the Trump has expressed as yesterday was

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Speaker 8: letting some steam off when he was with the Irish

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Speaker 8: leader about about the British Prime Minister Starmer and his

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Speaker 8: sort of hesitance to be engaged.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think there's also, you know, a challenge on

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Speaker 4: the US front.

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Speaker 8: We didn't we talked about the public wasn't quite as mobilized,

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Speaker 8: and in terms of preparing for war as we've seen

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Speaker 8: in other past interventions, there wasn't a whole lot of

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Speaker 8: mobilization on the international front. Now, I remember all too well,

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Speaker 8: Hugh that, even going back to the Iraq War and

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Speaker 8: other international engagements, that the Europeans always seemed to kind

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Speaker 8: of carve from the sidelines.

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Speaker 4: That's not entirely new, but there was sort of.

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Speaker 8: A lack of building that Coalition of the willing, and

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Speaker 8: I think it's been done a little bit on the

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Speaker 8: fly as we speak, So I'm not sure it's a

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Speaker 8: lack of wanting to engage as much as it is,

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Speaker 8: you know, about preparing their publics in their own countries

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Speaker 8: about what what the goals.

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Speaker 1: Are and the coalition that w was nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 1: we had the bridge in two thousand and three for

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Speaker 1: Iraq Afghanistan. Article five triggered everyone kind of pretended to play.

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Speaker 1: The UA had more real soldiers in real combat than

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Speaker 1: Germany did in Afghanistan, but everyone pretended to play We

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Speaker 1: carry the load with the bridge. Now, however, Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: in its fourth year. We're supplying Ukraine everything except manpower.

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Speaker 1: And we did it before NATO started spending it. And

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Speaker 1: now NATO isn't setting a mind sweeper. A mind sweepers

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Speaker 1: you get the last minute.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I would hope, I would hope that it

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Speaker 8: would be as simple as, you know, some communication at

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Speaker 8: better diplomacy, that we could kind of coordinate more effectively,

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Speaker 8: and that they are not trying to resist helping out

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Speaker 8: and dealing with the threat that Iran poses.

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Speaker 4: Very much to their own countries.

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Speaker 8: In fact, terrorism is an even more pronounced threat, and

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Speaker 8: Iranian terrorism or Indian sponsored terrorism is very very real

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Speaker 8: on the European homefront.

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Speaker 4: So they understand, they should understand these.

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Speaker 8: Countries the threat that Iran has posed and does pose,

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Speaker 8: and I would hope that it would be more of

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Speaker 8: an issue of diplomacy rather than an issue of their

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Speaker 8: reading of the security threat.

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Speaker 1: We can only hope. Josh Crushauer, thank you. Don't go anywhere, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm do Hewett. Stay tuned to the Salem News Channel.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Joined by Charles CW. Cook of National Review. He is

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Speaker 1: a contributor to the Editor's Podcast. He also has his

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Speaker 1: own podcast, the Charles C. W. Cook Podcast. Charles, I

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Speaker 1: had Noah on earlier. I gave him extra time because

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Speaker 1: I thought you guys all ganged up on him in

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Speaker 1: the Editors this week, although you were the most gentle

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Speaker 1: of the three. How do you just not in that context,

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Speaker 1: but just you, Charles C. W. Cuck, how do you

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Speaker 1: assess the war whine?

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Speaker 10: It's quite difficult, and it's been a remarkable military success

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Speaker 10: at the outset, and I'm deeply impressed by the performance

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Speaker 10: of the Department of Defense, and as I said on

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Speaker 10: the editors, I hope our adversaries are watching. I'm sure

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Speaker 10: they are. Where I'm a little stymied here is I'm

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Speaker 10: not quite sure what we're doing. It's not that I

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Speaker 10: don't think there are all manner of good reasons to

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Speaker 10: be there.

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Speaker 4: There are.

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Speaker 10: It's not that I am per se against this action.

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Speaker 10: I'm certainly not. But the President has been all over

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Speaker 10: the place when describing what their aims are here, and

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Speaker 10: because there wasn't a debate, I'm just not quite sure

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Speaker 10: how to judge it. I'm not sure how long he's

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Speaker 10: going to stay. I'm not sure whether we're going to

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Speaker 10: commit the resources we would need, for example, to reopen

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Speaker 10: the straits of horror moods.

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Speaker 1: So I find it quite difficult to judge.

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Speaker 10: Not because I think, you know, I've seen some people

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Speaker 10: who have derangement syndrome saying the US is losing that's

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Speaker 10: absolute nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not.

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Speaker 10: Sure how long we're going to stay in what we're doing,

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Speaker 10: so I find it difficult to know.

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit like I'm going to borrow from in

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Speaker 1: Antigony and Butcher Misophocles. You cannot tell how good the

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Speaker 1: day has been until the evening comes. We won't know

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Speaker 1: till it's over. But it sure looks pretty impressive to me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not worried about the Strait of Hormuz, even

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Speaker 1: though the price of gas is up Politically. I know

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Speaker 1: that's a problem for Republican if it remains upcome the midterms,

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Speaker 1: But this is much bigger than the midterms in my view?

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Speaker 1: What do you make? And I think this is actually

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Speaker 1: the untold story. This might break NATO. When Lindsey Graham

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Speaker 1: and Hugh Hewitt and a bunch of old Reagan conservatives

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Speaker 1: are saying what in the world they won't even send

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Speaker 1: mind sweepers. What is the purpose of NATO? Is it

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Speaker 1: just to protect NATO? What's your reaction to that, Charles,

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Speaker 1: that people are turning on NATO who have always been

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Speaker 1: pro NATO.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm pro NATO, but I'm also of the view

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Speaker 10: that NATO is in effect American power, and so I

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Speaker 10: don't get too hung up on the formal structure. I

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Speaker 10: think that the United States is in effect playing the

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Speaker 10: role that the British Empire played before nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 10: Back to about the Battle of Waterloo, and that is

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Speaker 10: as the global hedgemon with naval supremacy on which others rely.

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Speaker 10: So I'm not sure it can break NATO in the

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Speaker 10: sense that it's not going to break American hegemony. And Europe,

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Speaker 10: whether it likes to admit it or not, is completely reliant,

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Speaker 10: more reliant now than it has been for a while

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Speaker 10: on that supremacy. So I think it's more a matter

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Speaker 10: for us. You know, are we getting tired of being taken.

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Speaker 1: For a ride?

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Speaker 10: And I suppose in some sense the answer is yes.

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Speaker 10: But on the other hand, Donald Trump has made this

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Speaker 10: a big feature of both of his presidencies, to tell

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Speaker 10: Europe to pay more and to put pressure on them.

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Speaker 10: So I very much see this within the context of

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Speaker 10: that existing tension.

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Speaker 1: Now, Charles, one of the memorable moments of my life,

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Speaker 1: and it's long. It's seventy years old, when after nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven, w addresses Congress and he looks up and

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Blair is there. He thanks him for being there,

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Speaker 1: to thank you, friend, and that spoke volumes about the

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Speaker 1: special relationship. Kiir Starmer has trashed that in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the British public is in favor of that.

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Speaker 10: Well, here's what I think you and I take no

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Speaker 10: pleasure in saying this as somebody who was formerly British

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Speaker 10: and whose family lives there. But the British, irrespective of

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Speaker 10: Kirs Starmer and the most recent examples, have rendered themselves,

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Speaker 10: through their own choices, somewhat irrelevant. I mean, if you

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Speaker 10: think back, even just over a decade ago to when

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Speaker 10: Barack Obama was considering going into Syria after the Libya adventure,

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Speaker 10: the British Parliament voted against helping.

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Speaker 1: And this was a big deal.

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Speaker 10: This was reported in the United States as being a

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Speaker 10: big deal. It had some impact, not definitive impact, but

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Speaker 10: it had some impact on Barack Obama's decision not to

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Speaker 10: go in. That wouldn't happen now. If the British Parliament

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Speaker 10: had taken a vote ahead of this and said we're

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Speaker 10: not going to help in Iran, it would not really

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Speaker 10: have factored in very much to America's calculations. So, although

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Speaker 10: I am very sad about that, and although I am

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Speaker 10: sad about the decline of the special relationship which has

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Speaker 10: accompanied it, I think it's a lot less important than.

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Speaker 2: It used to be.

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Speaker 10: Look at the British inability, the British of all people,

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Speaker 10: inability to send a naval power around the world within

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Speaker 10: what two weeks they said they would need two weeks.

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Speaker 10: When the Falklands were invaded in the early nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 10: Missus Thatcher sent hundreds of ships to the Falkland islands

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Speaker 10: within forty eight hours. So the British have done this

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Speaker 10: to themselves. I don't think that is a case for

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Speaker 10: going into Iran or for this or that president, but

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Speaker 10: the British have rendered themselves irrelevance such that it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, well, now there is New NATO, there is poland

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Speaker 1: there is Finland. There is Ukraine, which is a sort

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Speaker 1: think Britain can recover its mojo, and whether or not

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Speaker 1: France might recover with new political leadership. They've only had

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Speaker 1: twenty seven ships right now, They've got seven submarines, one

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Speaker 1: of which is at sea right now. They've got two

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Speaker 1: aircraft carriers. I don't know how you send aircraft carriers

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Speaker 1: out without an escort fleet that they haven't got. Can

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Speaker 1: they get it back? Do they want it back?

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Speaker 10: Well, it's a huge question because they're going to have

879
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Speaker 10: to if they're going to get it back, acknowledge that

880
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Speaker 10: there is more to life than welfare spending. And I'm

881
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Speaker 10: really not being a moaning conservative when I say this.

882
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Speaker 10: I am very much a physical conservative. But the British

883
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Speaker 10: have now for ten fifteen years, really since the end

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Speaker 10: of the Blair years, ramped up welfare spending, raised taxes

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Speaker 10: to pay for it, and let everything else go by

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Speaker 10: the wayside. There is no dynamism in the British economy.

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Speaker 10: There is no interest in the creation of wealth. There

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Speaker 10: is no interest in the generation of great companies or

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Speaker 10: great ideas or frankly great men in the way that

890
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Speaker 10: there once was. And the same is true of defense.

891
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Speaker 10: That the British have given up on defense. They have

892
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Speaker 10: allowed their defense capability to atrophy. So it won't just

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Speaker 10: be one good prime minister or one new political party

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Speaker 10: or one favorable election. Culturally, in their souls, the British

895
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Speaker 10: are going to have to acknowledge that there is more

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Speaker 10: to government than handing out money. And at the moment

897
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Speaker 10: they're just incapable of doing it again. I hate saying this.

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Speaker 2: I hate this.

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Speaker 10: I take no pleasure in it just because I move country,

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Speaker 10: you know, I haven't left all those sentiments behind. I

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Speaker 10: wish the British and their island well, but I don't

902
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Speaker 10: see anything at the moment that suggests that there is

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Speaker 10: an uprising against the status.

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Speaker 1: Quo one minute, Charles, not the rise of Parage and

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Speaker 1: a party to his right. Is that not the stirring

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Speaker 1: of the embers.

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Speaker 10: It's the stirring of the embers. But you need a

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Speaker 10: lot more than embers, you know, a very very.

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Speaker 4: Large fire here.

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Speaker 10: And Nigel Farage, although admirable in some ways, is still

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Speaker 10: operating within the existing political structure, and he is, for example,

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Speaker 10: quite bad on housing development because he understands that the

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Speaker 10: people he need have all of their wealth tied up

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Speaker 10: in their homes. The real shift in British history in

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Speaker 10: the recent years was Margaret Thatcher, who operated outside of

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Speaker 10: all of that, and the results spoke for themselves. So

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Speaker 10: I hope that it can happen again. But I'm not optimistic, Charles,

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Speaker 10: But you.

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Speaker 1: Are honest, and I appreciate that. Candor Charles C. W. Cook,

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Speaker 1: listen to him on the editors read him in National View.

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Speaker 1: We listen to his podcast, Charles B. W. Cook and

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Speaker 1: come right back, Sharon Bedford from The Illness Welcome Back

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Speaker 1: in America. I'm Hugh Heugh at Sarah C. Bedford is

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Speaker 1: a senior investigations editor at The Washington Examiner, and she

925
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Speaker 1: covers the Hill like few people. Sarah, what do you

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Speaker 1: think the endgame is going to be for the Save

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Speaker 1: Act and the DHS shut down?

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Speaker 2: Well, it'd be great.

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Speaker 11: If those two things could sort of get done together, right,

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Speaker 11: and you finally have enough pressure on Senate leadership to

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Speaker 11: bring the Save Act to the floor have a.

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Speaker 2: Real debate about it. And you know what.

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Speaker 11: People like Senator Mike Lee and other big supporters of

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Speaker 11: the Save Act wanted all along was to have to

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Speaker 11: force Democrats to defend their opposition to the Save Act,

936
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Speaker 11: which is like full of eighty twenty proposals, right, voter ID,

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Speaker 11: proof of citizenship to register to vote. Those are things

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Speaker 11: that most Americans support, and so Senatorly and others who

939
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Speaker 11: wanted to force, you know, a talking filibuster, and we've

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Speaker 11: talked about before how that's maybe not.

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Speaker 2: The most realistic way to try to.

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Speaker 11: Overcome the sixty vote threshold. But the real thirty thousand

943
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Speaker 11: foot view of the goal of all of that was

944
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Speaker 11: to try to force Democrats to say why they're against

945
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Speaker 11: proposals that are so popular. And finally it looks like

946
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Speaker 11: Republicans are going to get that chance with soon bringing

947
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Speaker 11: the builds to the floor, even if it doesn't end

948
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Speaker 11: up having the votes to pass.

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Speaker 1: Spartacus is up right now Corey Booker, and he's saying

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Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Patty Murray has said, oh, you can't use

951
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Speaker 1: your student idea anymore. I don't even know if that's true,

952
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Speaker 1: but it's not really consequential to me. We've had Amy

953
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Speaker 1: Klobuchar saying that Elon Musk is setting up a data

954
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Speaker 1: center at DHS to take They're saying crazy things. Do

955
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Speaker 1: you think those crazy things will hurt them in the fall?

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Speaker 11: Well, it depends on how much Republicans are willing to

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Speaker 11: push on the Save Act. I mean, so far, it

958
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Speaker 11: seems like not that much. It's only in the past

959
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Speaker 11: few weeks that you've seen momentum really builds behind the

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Speaker 11: Save Act.

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Speaker 2: But if you go point by point through.

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Speaker 11: Most of the Democrats objections to the Save America Act

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Speaker 11: and we've done that at the Washington Examiner.

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Speaker 2: Most of them don't stand up to scrutiny.

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Speaker 11: You know, this idea that married women, for example, won't

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Speaker 11: be able to register to vote if they've had their

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Speaker 11: name changed.

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Speaker 2: Legally, that's just not the case.

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Speaker 11: And so, you know, Democrats don't really have a cohesive

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Speaker 11: argument against the Save Act. And that's what Republicans were

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Speaker 11: sort of thinking on why they wanted these open conversations

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Speaker 11: on the floor of the US Congress, because it's so

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Speaker 11: difficult for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: To hold the line against something that's so popular.

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Speaker 1: Democrats want to cheat. And it comes down to that

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Speaker 1: they want to cheat in a few places where it

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Speaker 1: makes a big difference in a few hundred votes mean

978
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Speaker 1: an election that some elections do not feature cheating does

979
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Speaker 1: not mean that cheating does not occur in some elections.

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Speaker 1: Let me switch topics to the war. I've been covering

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Speaker 1: it top to bottom. I believe it's going very very well,

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Speaker 1: about as well as any war could go. In which

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Speaker 1: you've suffered fourteen casualties, thirteen casualties and among Americans ten

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Speaker 1: Israelis now six team with six Palestinians killed this afternoon

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Speaker 1: in the city of Hebron. Our allies and the Gulf

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Speaker 1: nations are taking it as well. But Iran is getting pummeled.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on the war.

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Speaker 11: Of Sarah Bedford, Iran is and I you know, it

989
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Speaker 11: was interesting today you had d and I Pulci Gabbard,

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Speaker 11: you had CAA director John Ratcliffe, FBI director Cash Hotel

991
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Speaker 11: on the Hill, and they faced a lot of questions

992
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Speaker 11: about the threats from Iran. And what was really interesting

993
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Speaker 11: to me is that the extent that Democrats were able

994
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Speaker 11: to I don't know if land some successful blows is

995
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Speaker 11: the right way to put it, but were able to

996
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Speaker 11: sort of really press Ratcliffe and Gabbard in particular. It

997
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 11: was really all about messaging related to the war, right,

998
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 11: because it's hard for Democrats at the stage to argue

999
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Speaker 11: that the war has been unsuccessful in achieving its goals

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Speaker 11: or that it's a bad idea to make sure that

1001
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Speaker 11: Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapons. So you really all

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Speaker 11: Democrats had to go off of we're messaging critiques. You

1003
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Speaker 11: know you said this at one point, now you're saying this.

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Speaker 11: Your opening remarks had a paragraph that you didn't end

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Speaker 11: up reading out loud. In the case of gabbered, But again,

1006
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Speaker 11: those were just all sort of rhetorical critiques about the

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Speaker 11: way that the Trump administration is talking about the war,

1008
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Speaker 11: and not really critiques of what the Trump administration is

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Speaker 11: actually doing.

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Speaker 1: Sarah, I think the American media is overwhelmingly anti war

1011
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: because they're anti Trump overwhelmingly, and they cannot bring themselves

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Speaker 1: a report. This is going as well as any military

1013
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Speaker 1: operation in my life, and I've seen a lot of wars,

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Speaker 1: beginning with Grenada in nineteen eighty three. I remember vaguely

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Speaker 1: the end of Vietnam, but not really that well, and

1016
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Speaker 1: that was a disaster. But doesn't anyone on the left

1017
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Speaker 1: recognize the incredible, awesome ability of the American military.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think that's why you do see Democrats treading

1019
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Speaker 11: rather carefully, not necessarily going after the Trump administration directly

1020
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Speaker 11: saying this is really bad.

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Speaker 2: We don't want the Iranian people to be free.

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Speaker 11: We definitely want one of our biggest adversaries in the

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Speaker 11: Middle East to have nuclear weapons. They are sort of

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Speaker 11: that's why don't have a coherent message from Democrats. They're

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Speaker 11: going after messaging and things like that, because again, like

1026
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Speaker 1: I hope it remains that way. Sarah C. Bedford follow

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Maerica. I'm Hugh Hewett. Mary Katherine Ham

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Speaker 1: News contributor, Mary Katherine, you really hit Paul Eric hard today.

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Speaker 1: He was a villain. You said we should talk about

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Speaker 13: Forever well wrong about everything, and hurt people being wrong

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Speaker 13: that worldview. And that worldview was also used to bully

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Speaker 13: a bunch of people with government policy and environmental wacko

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Speaker 13: stuff to make all of our lives worse. And so

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Speaker 13: I just I don't want to let that kind of

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Speaker 13: person with that kind of scholarship so easily into elite

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Speaker 13: conventional wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Anymore, can we learn some lessons? Pleased?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Paul Air, like for the Steelers fans

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Speaker 1: believe malth Is, like that the world was overpopulated and

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Speaker 1: what's going to run out of resources? Wrong? Wrong? Wrong?

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Speaker 1: Then you and Vic spent a lot of time on

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Speaker 1: the oscars. They only reach seventy point nine million people.

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00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: That's less than a presidential debate, because people would rather

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Speaker 1: get their politics when people are really in politics as

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Speaker 1: opposed to the movies. And the only movie I saw

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Speaker 1: was Marty Supreme. I think they're dead. I think the

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Speaker 1: oscars are dad. Mary Catherine, you may be the person

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Speaker 1: who watched them.

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Speaker 13: Well, I didn't even watch them. I was just reporting

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Speaker 13: what I saw the next day.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I got the impression that you had watched them.

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Speaker 1: In my gosh, I did not think. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: something important. Let's talk about the Iranian women soccer team.

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Speaker 1: They're being forced back because the terrorists are taken their

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Speaker 1: families hostage. No one accept you and Vic had paid

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Speaker 1: attention to this.

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Speaker 13: I know, and I wish people would. I was saying

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Speaker 13: at the Oscars perhaps someone could wear a pin for them.

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Speaker 13: That's an ongoing crisis with specific women involved that we

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Speaker 13: I'm sure in Hollywood alleged that they care deeply about

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Speaker 13: women under oppression, while they pretend that we are all

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Speaker 13: oppressed here in America under Donald Trump. It's shameful that

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Speaker 13: no one talks about it, and it is a situation

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Speaker 13: where I think some people don't understand. When you live

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Speaker 13: under a totalitarian regime like in Iran, if you are

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Speaker 13: able to get out, your family is subject to torture,

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Speaker 13: to kidnapping, to awful punishments, to disappearing. They are under

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Speaker 13: tremenous familial pressure and filial pressure to go back.

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Speaker 2: Home to spare them that.

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Speaker 13: But by the way, they'll be in trouble as soon

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Speaker 13: as they get back home. It's a really awful situation,

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Speaker 13: and I'm praying for them and praying that the Iranian

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Speaker 13: people will soon be in a different position.

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Speaker 1: Well. The one thing I think our government could do,

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Speaker 1: and I hope Secretary of State Ribio does, is mark

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Speaker 1: the names of the women who defected and then are

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Speaker 1: coming back and say very clearly the Iranian regime when

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Speaker 1: you fall, the people who are in charge of these girls,

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Speaker 1: these women and their families will be marked and will

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Speaker 1: be found, and if you mistreat them, you will be

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Speaker 1: prosecuted and hung by the neck until dead, just like Nurremberg.

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Speaker 1: That's all we can do, right, We could do that.

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Speaker 2: We could do that.

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Speaker 13: And the nice thing about the threat credibility of Donald

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Speaker 13: Trump is that people might actually believe it.

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Speaker 1: So yes, now, Mary Catherine, I began the show talking

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Speaker 1: I Noah. I want to end it by asking you,

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Speaker 1: I think we're winning. I think we're winning big. I

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Speaker 1: don't say that point of view reflect that anywhere in

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Speaker 1: the media, And I mean, really, we're really winning big, big, big.

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Speaker 2: What do you think now?

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Speaker 13: I think that the media has trouble covering military conflict.

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00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 13: They don't like American might and military being used for

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00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 13: basically any ends, so they don't want to cover tactical

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00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 13: and operational victories as victories. Instead, they just focus on, well,

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Speaker 13: there's risk, Well we don't know all that is true,

1148
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Speaker 13: there are always risks in conflict of this kind. But

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 13: they're not dealing with or contextualizing any of this for

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Speaker 13: people who'd actually like to understand it and how things

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Speaker 13: are going on the ground or in the air, which

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Speaker 13: is a pretty astounding victory on many fronts, including the

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Speaker 13: continuing amazing intel from Israel that allows the striking of

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Speaker 13: specific targets, which by the way, minimizes civilian targets or

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Speaker 13: civilian casualties, and we end up taking out large parts

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Speaker 13: of their higher ups, which is what can inspire people

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Speaker 13: to actually come out of their house. You have Baby

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Speaker 13: Yahoo telling the Iranian people we're watching from the skies

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Speaker 13: for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's something else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I would love to see. You know, my daughter,

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Speaker 1: you know, her husband is a flyboy who now sales ships.

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Speaker 1: He's been in out of the war. He's not in

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Speaker 1: the war right now, he's in the far side of

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Speaker 1: the world. But I wish that we would celebrate these

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Speaker 1: men and women in the fight. They're such extraordinary professionals.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're the one who said, please make

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Speaker 1: a friend in the was that you please make a

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Speaker 1: friend in the military. Yes, please make a friend. We

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Speaker 1: have no idea what they're doing. It's extraordinary.

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Speaker 13: No, it's it's shameful that the press is so bad

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Speaker 13: at this. The Surf and Turf was another great example

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Speaker 13: of like, y'all don't know anyone you can call who's

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Speaker 13: been in the military, who could tell you about this.

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Speaker 13: I wish they did. I wish that more civilians knew

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Speaker 13: more military folks. It is the beauty we have this

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Speaker 13: beautiful volunteer force full of these amazing families who put

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Speaker 13: so much on the line, and getting to know them

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Speaker 13: will help you understand their lives and what they sacrifice

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Speaker 13: for us. And the press is foremost in needing to

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Speaker 13: do that. By the way, That's why I work with

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Speaker 13: Travis Manning Foundation, because we make a lot of connections

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Speaker 13: between civilian life and military.

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Speaker 1: Life, and right now the civilians ought to be thinking

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Speaker 1: about the military family next door and asking, especially if

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Speaker 1: their wife or husband is deployed, can we give you

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Speaker 1: a ride to school? Can we give you a meal?

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Speaker 1: Let me close by doubling back to what you began

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Speaker 1: with Saint Patrick's Day. Mary Catherine am if not Irish,

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Speaker 1: this is a shock to everyone. She's English and she's

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Speaker 1: completely Protestant. But your dad made a shamrock for you,

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Speaker 1: and I want every dad to know that. Tell that story.

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Speaker 13: So I was between five and seven, probably, and I

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Speaker 13: remember being a little panicked in the morning of Saint

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Speaker 13: Patrick's Day because I realized I didn't have anything green

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Speaker 13: on and couldn't find anything, and my dad found somewhere

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Speaker 13: a piece of felt the house and handcut this beautiful

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Speaker 13: little shamrock and we pinned it on my shirt and

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Speaker 13: I saved it for years. I probably could still find

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Speaker 13: it somewhere around here, but it's just this little creative

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Speaker 13: knickknack from when I was a child where my dad

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Speaker 13: quickly solved a problem at six years old. I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 13: how amazing is that? And I still think it's amazing

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Speaker 13: and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It's been thirty five years and you're remembering what your

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Speaker 1: dad did on Saint Patrick's Day. Is a message to

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Speaker 1: dad's that everything they do every day matters. That's actually

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Speaker 1: what I took away from that, Mary katherineham every day,

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Speaker 1: what a dad does.

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Speaker 2: Matters, it does.

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Speaker 13: And there's nothing like having a good dad, and I

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Speaker 13: have one.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very thankful.

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Speaker 1: Well said and a well produced episode The new Getting

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Speaker 1: Hammered dropped. I will talk about corn, beef and cabbage

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Speaker 1: in the Filipinos tomorrow with Vic Mattis.

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Speaker 2: That was weird, but that's good.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that tomorrow. Mary Katherine aam follow on Exit

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Speaker 1: mk Hammer. Get getting hammered on, your like and subscribe.

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