1 00:00:02,710 --> 00:00:03,730 Speaker 1: Life Audio A. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,500 Speaker 2: Lot of teaching today assumes that if people receive enough 3 00:00:08,539 --> 00:00:11,780 Speaker 2: good information, change will follow. But most of us know 4 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:15,180 Speaker 2: that is not really how transformation works. You can listen 5 00:00:15,220 --> 00:00:18,060 Speaker 2: to a brilliant talk, take pages of notes, and still 6 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:21,260 Speaker 2: find yourself living the same way a week later. Over 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,890 Speaker 2: the years, we've become more interested in a different question. 8 00:00:24,530 --> 00:00:27,710 Speaker 2: Not simply, what should we teach, but how do people 9 00:00:27,850 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: actually grow? That question has shaped the way we lead retreats, workshops, 10 00:00:32,590 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: and even our longer training environments like P.A.C.E. Hi friends, 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm Jem Fadling and this is the Unhurried Living Podcast 12 00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:42,820 Speaker 2: where we inspire you to rest deeper, live fuller, and 13 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: lead better. What we've discovered is that the environment of 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: learning matters as much as the content itself. So today, 15 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:52,610 Speaker 2: we want to share a few of the ways we 16 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:56,910 Speaker 2: try to create learning environments where formation can actually take root. 17 00:00:57,620 --> 00:00:59,780 Speaker 2: After a word from our sponsor, we'll dive into our 18 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:12,020 Speaker 2: conversation for today. In Unhurried Living, we care about teaching, 19 00:01:12,060 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: but we care just as much about what happens around 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,089 Speaker 2: the teaching. Information alone rarely changes a life. Formation happens 21 00:01:20,170 --> 00:01:22,710 Speaker 2: as people begin to notice what God is doing in them, 22 00:01:23,110 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: reflect on it, talk about it with others. and gradually 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,540 Speaker 2: integrate it into their daily lives. Because of that, we 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: try to design our gatherings in ways that help people 25 00:01:32,140 --> 00:01:35,310 Speaker 2: engage with God personally, not just listen to someone else 26 00:01:35,410 --> 00:01:38,770 Speaker 2: talk about God. Whether we're leading a short workshop or 27 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:41,590 Speaker 2: a retreat with our PACE cohort, we try to create 28 00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:47,110 Speaker 2: a rhythm that includes teaching, reflection, conversation, and time with God. 29 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:49,490 Speaker 2: Alan and I are going to talk through a few 30 00:01:49,510 --> 00:01:53,050 Speaker 2: of the practices that have become important for us over 31 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:56,790 Speaker 2: the years. Well, Alan, here we are together. Once in 32 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:58,710 Speaker 2: a while, we like to talk to each other instead 33 00:01:58,730 --> 00:01:59,389 Speaker 2: of other people. 34 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:02,820 Speaker 1: Well, we like to talk to each other in front 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: of other people. We do it more often together without 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,540 Speaker 1: other people around. But it is good to be able 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: to share just some of our interactions with our Unhurried 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,700 Speaker 1: Living podcast community. Yeah, it is good. 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,139 Speaker 2: As we just mentioned, we do typically talk to other people, 40 00:02:20,180 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: but we've been deciding amongst ourselves that it might be 41 00:02:23,139 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: good every once in a while for us just to 42 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:28,260 Speaker 2: talk to you about our own spiritual lives or our 43 00:02:28,419 --> 00:02:32,180 Speaker 2: own spiritual leadership strategies or ways. And today is one 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,590 Speaker 2: of those days. We really want to talk to you 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,770 Speaker 2: about how we teach. And so we are going to 46 00:02:39,810 --> 00:02:41,950 Speaker 2: go through a few, I think we thought of what, 47 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:48,100 Speaker 2: five or six different ways that we teach. teach, especially in, well, 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,579 Speaker 2: a workshop or a retreat setting. We just have a 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,700 Speaker 2: way that we do things that's probably more interactive than 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,380 Speaker 2: most people do. We don't like to just talk to people. 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,940 Speaker 2: We like to offer experiences. So we're going to just 52 00:03:03,980 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: share with you some of our biases for how we 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,810 Speaker 2: are when we're with people in a teaching or retreat situation. 54 00:03:11,230 --> 00:03:13,830 Speaker 2: So I'm going to start with the first one. 55 00:03:13,870 --> 00:03:14,290 Speaker 1: How about that? 56 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:19,989 Speaker 2: Good. The first one will surprise absolutely no one. As 57 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:23,190 Speaker 2: often as we can, whenever we're invited to go speak 58 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: to any group or if we lead something ourselves, we 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,380 Speaker 2: like to offer people a version of solitude and silence 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,820 Speaker 2: because we really believe in that extended time with God 61 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,430 Speaker 2: in a listening posture. So sometimes we will only have 62 00:03:40,430 --> 00:03:43,210 Speaker 2: 30 minutes depending on how long we're with people. Sometimes 63 00:03:43,250 --> 00:03:47,620 Speaker 2: we can give people a few hours. But we bias 64 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:53,220 Speaker 2: toward this time because, of course, what we're saying is important, right? 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: We know that what we're saying is something that we 66 00:03:55,820 --> 00:03:57,380 Speaker 2: believe God has given us and we want to share 67 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,530 Speaker 2: with other people. What solitude and silence does is it 68 00:04:00,660 --> 00:04:07,230 Speaker 2: actually trains people in receptivity. And receptivity is important because 69 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:12,310 Speaker 2: we can learn to listen, we can be present, especially 70 00:04:13,390 --> 00:04:16,230 Speaker 2: And that's what solitude and silence is at its hardest. 71 00:04:16,270 --> 00:04:20,130 Speaker 2: We are making ourselves attentive to God. So it reminds 72 00:04:20,230 --> 00:04:23,950 Speaker 2: us all that as humans, what we say, Alan and Jim, 73 00:04:24,130 --> 00:04:27,780 Speaker 2: but even what all humans say is not as important 74 00:04:28,339 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: as what God has to say. And it gives people 75 00:04:31,940 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: a chance to listen instead of simply receiving more content. 76 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: We'll talk about content more in a bit. It reminds everyone, again, 77 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,140 Speaker 2: including us as the facilitators, that God is the primary teacher. 78 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,990 Speaker 2: The practice of solitude and silence actually also helps people 79 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:54,790 Speaker 2: slow down enough to notice what's happening in them. So 80 00:04:54,830 --> 00:04:57,410 Speaker 2: notice this list I'm making. Sure, Alan and I could 81 00:04:57,450 --> 00:04:59,470 Speaker 2: teach this. Like right now, we're teaching and we're saying, 82 00:04:59,529 --> 00:05:04,670 Speaker 2: here's what could happen. But when we're together, if people 83 00:05:04,710 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: have a chance to try it on, it makes a difference, right? 84 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,229 Speaker 2: Because often the most meaningful moments of any time or 85 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:17,510 Speaker 2: with people happens in that time with God because they 86 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:20,270 Speaker 2: come back and they report to us, here's what happened. 87 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:24,190 Speaker 2: Whether it's a story of some insight that they were 88 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:28,409 Speaker 2: hoping for, or even just as simple as, wow, it 89 00:05:28,450 --> 00:05:32,270 Speaker 2: was so nice to sit peacefully or walk peacefully somewhere 90 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:36,779 Speaker 2: and just have a sense of inner rest. And we 91 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,890 Speaker 2: know this might seem counterintuitive because some view this as, 92 00:05:41,390 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: Empty time, right? Because no one's teaching. But that's because 93 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: I don't think we always give high priority to God's 94 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:54,420 Speaker 2: own voice and his direction in people's lives. We have 95 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: this bias toward thinking that what we're going to say 96 00:05:57,300 --> 00:05:59,580 Speaker 2: is the thing that's going to make the difference. And 97 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:03,170 Speaker 2: let me repeat, of course what we're teaching is important. 98 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:05,830 Speaker 2: We wouldn't be offering this to people if it wasn't, 99 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:08,610 Speaker 2: and people wouldn't pay us to go places and speak 100 00:06:08,650 --> 00:06:10,860 Speaker 2: if what we were going to say wasn't important. We 101 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: just also think that God could weigh in and we 102 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,150 Speaker 2: could make space for that. Right. So we're trying to 103 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:22,590 Speaker 2: continue to grow accustomed to believing that God cares more 104 00:06:22,630 --> 00:06:26,050 Speaker 2: than us and that God can help even more than 105 00:06:26,110 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: we can. So solitude and silence is something we try 106 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,779 Speaker 2: to build in, in varying amounts with anyone we're with. 107 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,550 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would just add that, um, This has been 108 00:06:39,589 --> 00:06:44,029 Speaker 1: a practice for us personally for most of our adult lives, 109 00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:48,510 Speaker 1: thanks to some mentors who really introduced us to the practice. 110 00:06:48,550 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, theoretically, we knew, oh, yeah, solitude, silence. We've 111 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: read the books. We know about this thing. It's that 112 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,740 Speaker 1: whole aboutness that can happen. You tell people about solitude 113 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,990 Speaker 1: and silence, and then you want them to go home 114 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,650 Speaker 1: and figure out what to do with that on their own. 115 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: And shockingly, not many people do. I've often said that 116 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: of the many spiritual disciplines, there are solitude and silence 117 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,870 Speaker 1: in many ways require the most encouragement and coaching because 118 00:07:20,930 --> 00:07:26,590 Speaker 1: it's so counterintuitive in our cultural setting. So I'm glad 119 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:29,070 Speaker 1: we started with that one. And again, I'll say one 120 00:07:29,090 --> 00:07:31,770 Speaker 1: more thing. I have traveled around the world to be 121 00:07:31,810 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: with leaders. And often I'll build this kind of time 122 00:07:34,660 --> 00:07:37,540 Speaker 1: in and I'll often get the comment of, you have 123 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,260 Speaker 1: traveled a great distance. Why are you not teaching everything 124 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: you know for the limited amount of time you're with us? 125 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,369 Speaker 1: Which to what you just said, you know, is why? 126 00:07:48,390 --> 00:07:53,270 Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why is God is the one 127 00:07:53,410 --> 00:07:57,850 Speaker 1: we're all there to hear. And I can't tell you 128 00:07:57,910 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: how many times Just one hour given to being with 129 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:04,380 Speaker 1: God has been the thing everybody talks about and not 130 00:08:04,460 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: necessarily some remarkable lecture that you or I delivered. So 131 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:16,500 Speaker 1: we sort of overemphasize our indispensability when it comes to 132 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:18,050 Speaker 1: a teaching setting. You know what I mean? 133 00:08:19,030 --> 00:08:22,870 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Well, and let me say this. If you 134 00:08:23,050 --> 00:08:27,590 Speaker 2: only taught people about God, solitude and silence and then 135 00:08:27,630 --> 00:08:30,740 Speaker 2: expected them to go home and try it on, they won't. 136 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:34,500 Speaker 2: I mean, that sounds pessimistic, but most of the time 137 00:08:34,580 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: people don't have a bias toward having all this space 138 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: and time when they go home to try the thing, 139 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: especially if you're one workshop out of many or you're 140 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:45,420 Speaker 2: one sermon out of many or one teaching out of 141 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: all the things we're taking in. That's why we give 142 00:08:49,460 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: people the space and time when we're together so they 143 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:53,940 Speaker 2: have done it and they know what it is and 144 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,740 Speaker 2: someone mentored them through the process. And then they can 145 00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:58,900 Speaker 2: go home and repeat it. I think that's important. 146 00:09:00,260 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: It is. I'll say one more thing and then transition 147 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:06,819 Speaker 1: to kind of our second big idea about how we 148 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: go about teaching. And that is that solitude and silence 149 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,050 Speaker 1: are just two of many disciplines that are about opening 150 00:09:14,130 --> 00:09:18,750 Speaker 1: up space. You use the word receptivity. So the thing 151 00:09:18,790 --> 00:09:24,070 Speaker 1: about receptivity is you are facilitating someone else's encounter with God. 152 00:09:24,890 --> 00:09:28,130 Speaker 1: That's different than telling them about God or instructing them 153 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:32,929 Speaker 1: about the nature of God or saying accurate things about God. 154 00:09:33,309 --> 00:09:37,329 Speaker 1: There's something alive and present and real time in a 155 00:09:37,390 --> 00:09:40,930 Speaker 1: practice like solitude and silence. And so I think that's 156 00:09:40,990 --> 00:09:44,870 Speaker 1: important to say too. So transitioning then to a second 157 00:09:44,910 --> 00:09:47,980 Speaker 1: thing that we feel very strongly about is, I would 158 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,819 Speaker 1: summarize it as this. Learn how to teach just enough content. 159 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,450 Speaker 1: There is a sort of instinct among many of us 160 00:09:58,570 --> 00:10:02,819 Speaker 1: who teach that could be put in an equation. More 161 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:10,970 Speaker 1: content equals more learning. I don't think that equation is true. 162 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:15,630 Speaker 1: And I believe this because of experience. So, I will 163 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:19,490 Speaker 1: just say that as someone who's been teaching and speaking 164 00:10:19,790 --> 00:10:23,209 Speaker 1: all my adult life, there is a great temptation to 165 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:27,710 Speaker 1: feel like my job is to fill every single moment 166 00:10:28,090 --> 00:10:33,890 Speaker 1: we're together with my wonderful insights and my remarkable thoughts. 167 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:38,450 Speaker 1: And even just saying that sentence makes you realize how 168 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:42,930 Speaker 1: often your ego is all wrapped up in this activity 169 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:46,570 Speaker 1: instead of a humble sort of how can I help 170 00:10:46,650 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: these people learn who God is and what God's inviting 171 00:10:51,130 --> 00:10:55,140 Speaker 1: us to and all of that. So, you know, admittedly, 172 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,420 Speaker 1: you know, if you go somewhere and you're being paid 173 00:10:57,660 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: to speak to a group, the assumption is they're there 174 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,060 Speaker 1: to see you. They're there to hear you talk. And 175 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: so make sure every minute counts. Make sure they get 176 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,540 Speaker 1: their money's worth, you know, that sort of thing. But 177 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: here's what I have learned. There comes a point where 178 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:23,300 Speaker 1: more content actually equals less learning. Like we're actually, without 179 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: meaning to, because of the amount of content we give somebody, 180 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,500 Speaker 1: especially let's say it's a day-long workshop and there's three 181 00:11:32,610 --> 00:11:38,990 Speaker 1: or four sessions of densely packed content. There is no 182 00:11:39,070 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: way anyone in that room is digesting everything they've been given. 183 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:46,819 Speaker 1: So again, we're back to that comment you made a 184 00:11:46,860 --> 00:11:49,660 Speaker 1: minute ago, which is, so we're expecting them to go 185 00:11:49,740 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: home to their busy lives and spend lots of time 186 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,730 Speaker 1: digesting these teachings that we've given them. And I don't 187 00:11:59,770 --> 00:12:02,290 Speaker 1: think any of us have to think very long before 188 00:12:02,350 --> 00:12:07,809 Speaker 1: we realize very, very few people will do that. So 189 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: That's just about the fact that we've learned that there's 190 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: a kind of intensity about teaching content that leads to indigestion, 191 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:21,069 Speaker 1: and people just get used to a lot of unprocessed 192 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:25,190 Speaker 1: and undigestive knowledge, which is to say we're training them 193 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:30,010 Speaker 1: in something we don't want to train them in. But 194 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,670 Speaker 1: when people receive... It's just a fact. People receive more 195 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: information that they can reflect on Very little of it 196 00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:40,859 Speaker 1: stays with them or shapes them. They're just thinking, well, 197 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,059 Speaker 1: I'm going to get another insight the next time I 198 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: come to this meeting or go to church or whatever. 199 00:12:46,540 --> 00:12:49,420 Speaker 1: So with all that said, we are always trying to 200 00:12:49,570 --> 00:12:55,170 Speaker 1: ask the question, how much content is enough? And how 201 00:12:55,230 --> 00:12:59,090 Speaker 1: much space can we give for people to reflect on 202 00:12:59,130 --> 00:13:03,070 Speaker 1: what they've heard, to interact about what they've heard, and 203 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: maybe even how to respond? to what they've heard. So 204 00:13:08,380 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: the big label on this is teach enough content, but 205 00:13:12,420 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: not too much. 206 00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:15,020 Speaker 2: Yeah. 207 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:15,740 Speaker 1: Yeah. 208 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,610 Speaker 2: We just had a conversation actually yesterday with a leader 209 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,150 Speaker 2: who has invited us to come to a group and 210 00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:25,690 Speaker 2: they had invited someone else semi-recently. And that person just 211 00:13:25,890 --> 00:13:30,329 Speaker 2: taught 100% of the time with no space for anything else, 212 00:13:30,429 --> 00:13:34,569 Speaker 2: but the teaching. And the feedback they received was that 213 00:13:34,610 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: the people wished there had been space and time for 214 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,380 Speaker 2: them to do some processing or talking or thinking or interacting, 215 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: and there was none of that. So it really just 216 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:51,459 Speaker 2: put an underline on our own conviction that people actually 217 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:54,620 Speaker 2: want to think about and talk about what you're saying. 218 00:13:55,710 --> 00:13:57,490 Speaker 2: And how wonderful that they might be able to do 219 00:13:57,530 --> 00:13:59,209 Speaker 2: that while you're in the room with them. 220 00:14:00,490 --> 00:14:00,710 Speaker 1: Yes. 221 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just think that underscored our bias toward 222 00:14:07,940 --> 00:14:12,709 Speaker 2: having just enough and giving enough space. So right on 223 00:14:12,730 --> 00:14:17,309 Speaker 2: the heels of this, then, since we're talking about teaching 224 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:18,790 Speaker 2: just enough, well, then what else is going to happen? 225 00:14:18,809 --> 00:14:20,490 Speaker 2: You're like, what else is going to happen? Well, so far, 226 00:14:20,530 --> 00:14:22,980 Speaker 2: we've talked about solitude and silence. We've talked about teaching. 227 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: So these are all aspects of when we're with people. 228 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,500 Speaker 2: And then the time amount flexes, of course, depending on 229 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:35,859 Speaker 2: how long we're with the people. But if you're not talking, 230 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: what could be happening? Well, the other one, the third 231 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:44,340 Speaker 2: one is interaction, right? We assume that the people, especially 232 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,950 Speaker 2: the people that lean in toward us here at Unhurried Living, 233 00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:50,230 Speaker 2: you all are a kind of person we have discovered. 234 00:14:50,610 --> 00:14:55,910 Speaker 2: You are intelligent. You're thoughtful. You want to grow. You 235 00:14:55,990 --> 00:15:00,050 Speaker 2: want to learn. You want to have your connection with 236 00:15:00,110 --> 00:15:03,390 Speaker 2: God be strengthened. You're already trying a lot of things 237 00:15:03,550 --> 00:15:07,030 Speaker 2: on and you've learned things that we haven't. There's so 238 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: many things that can happen in the room. So we 239 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: assume that the people that lean in and come to 240 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: anything that we do is bringing, you're all bringing your 241 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: own wisdom. You're bringing your own experience. And so our role, 242 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,260 Speaker 2: Alan and I, our role is not only to teach, 243 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:25,729 Speaker 2: but also to help people pay attention to what God 244 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:30,090 Speaker 2: is already doing in your own life. See, a lot 245 00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:32,850 Speaker 2: of people, maybe they know, maybe they do know that 246 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:35,110 Speaker 2: they have wisdom experience. But once in a while, it's 247 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:37,150 Speaker 2: nice to have someone else point that out or draw 248 00:15:37,210 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: that out of you. So we like to use a 249 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: lot of reflective questions that help people notice their own stories, 250 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: their own experience. And so when we teach, we'll be 251 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: teaching for however long, 15, 20, 30 minutes, if there's 252 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,450 Speaker 2: a real big point to make. And then we'll do 253 00:15:54,490 --> 00:15:58,090 Speaker 2: this thing, we call it turn in twos. Turn in twos, 254 00:15:58,570 --> 00:16:00,790 Speaker 2: turn to the person, Next to you, one of our 255 00:16:00,830 --> 00:16:03,990 Speaker 2: mentors used to call this squeezing the sponge. The sponge 256 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:05,890 Speaker 2: is full. Let's just squeeze it out a little bit. 257 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:08,230 Speaker 2: And so we turn in twos and we have, hey, 258 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:11,470 Speaker 2: we'll say something very simple like, what have you been 259 00:16:11,510 --> 00:16:15,420 Speaker 2: hearing so far? Or what's coming up for you in this? 260 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: Or what other, what are you noticing? All those kinds 261 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: of spiritual direction and questions. Then we give them about 262 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,820 Speaker 2: five or 10 minutes to talk to each other and 263 00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:25,370 Speaker 2: just sort of release that energy of taking in all 264 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:31,050 Speaker 2: that information. And then typically, Once the twos have broken 265 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:33,670 Speaker 2: up and we bring everybody back, depending on the size 266 00:16:33,690 --> 00:16:35,390 Speaker 2: of the group, although Alan and I have done this 267 00:16:35,410 --> 00:16:37,740 Speaker 2: with a group of 100 people, you can have a 268 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,859 Speaker 2: roving mic and you can have people share in the 269 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:42,980 Speaker 2: large group. And people usually like to be able to 270 00:16:43,020 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: share their insights and other people learn from them. So 271 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,780 Speaker 2: it can be done. We've done it in groups of 10, 25, 100, 272 00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:55,020 Speaker 2: and it works at all levels, right? And what else 273 00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: is happening here? is that people are learning to reflect 274 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:02,460 Speaker 2: on what they just heard, process it a bit, share 275 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,510 Speaker 2: their own insights. And I think they're also learning then 276 00:17:06,570 --> 00:17:16,090 Speaker 2: to grow in their own vulnerability. Because when you're sharing 277 00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:18,969 Speaker 2: with another person, especially in that kind of a setting, 278 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,699 Speaker 2: you are drawing from something inside of yourself. And so 279 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: these are all great skills. You've listened well, and now 280 00:17:25,220 --> 00:17:28,820 Speaker 2: you're learning to share. in a soulful way with another person. 281 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,340 Speaker 2: This is a great skill as a human being, but 282 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:37,050 Speaker 2: also as a leader. So these conversations often deepen the 283 00:17:37,109 --> 00:17:41,350 Speaker 2: learning because people begin to connect the ideas they just 284 00:17:41,450 --> 00:17:45,990 Speaker 2: heard with their actual real life. And then they've shared 285 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: it with someone else. So I don't know in that process, 286 00:17:48,619 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: if you can hear the goodness of all of that, 287 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,940 Speaker 2: but we really believe in that process. 288 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,550 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Maybe an illustration of this. I was invited 289 00:17:58,630 --> 00:18:02,430 Speaker 1: just recently to speak for a men's retreat. And I 290 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:05,419 Speaker 1: know what that usually means. You know, somebody comes and 291 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: has these amazing, exciting, high-energy talks that get the men all, 292 00:18:11,180 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, stirred up and inspired. And then they'll run 293 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,139 Speaker 1: down the hill and do something amazing for God. I 294 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:22,510 Speaker 1: don't know. Here's what we ended up doing. Now, admittedly, 295 00:18:22,550 --> 00:18:24,830 Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a number of decades, so 296 00:18:24,869 --> 00:18:28,150 Speaker 1: I'm very comfortable with a process like this. But our 297 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: main sessions, the three times we were together as a 298 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,220 Speaker 1: group with lots of space and time, were as simple 299 00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:36,859 Speaker 1: as this. There was a passage of Scripture up on 300 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,619 Speaker 1: the screen, up on the PowerPoint screen. I read it 301 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: out loud. I asked them to notice what in that 302 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,430 Speaker 1: passage made sense, what intersected, what spoke to them, what 303 00:18:48,730 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: caught their attention, whatever. And I invited them as a 304 00:18:52,020 --> 00:18:54,820 Speaker 1: large group just to sort of popcorn some of those 305 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,220 Speaker 1: words and phrases from the passage. They didn't give their opinion. 306 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,100 Speaker 1: They didn't give their interpretation. They just shared something from 307 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: the passage. And sometimes the same phrase got said over 308 00:19:05,420 --> 00:19:12,310 Speaker 1: and over and over. It was almost like group scripture meditation, right? Yeah. 309 00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:16,510 Speaker 1: And then... And then I started sort of taking their 310 00:19:16,609 --> 00:19:20,170 Speaker 1: insights and then responding to them. Like I was a 311 00:19:20,290 --> 00:19:24,609 Speaker 1: teacher being prompted by their insights and what they were 312 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:27,510 Speaker 1: drawn to. And so suddenly what I was sharing was 313 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:32,139 Speaker 1: finding a landing place in what they were discovering. And 314 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,660 Speaker 1: then after I'd made quite a few comments, like you said, 315 00:19:34,859 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: I just sent them together in twos or threes and 316 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,230 Speaker 1: I invited them. Hey, what are you hearing? What's making sense? 317 00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: What's hitting home? How does God's Spirit seem to be 318 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: speaking to you through this passage? Then after a bit, 319 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:49,409 Speaker 1: we came back together and they shared, a few of 320 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:52,700 Speaker 1: them did anyway. shared. And that gave me more opportunities 321 00:19:53,180 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: for kind of a situational teaching or coaching kind of response. 322 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,629 Speaker 1: You know, we had about an hour to 90 minutes 323 00:20:00,650 --> 00:20:04,409 Speaker 1: for each of these sessions. And the feedback from the men, 324 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:06,310 Speaker 1: and these are men who are used to, like I said, 325 00:20:06,410 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: used to a camp speaker. a very one-way sort of 326 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: somebody on stage talking to the people sitting in chairs 327 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:20,940 Speaker 1: listening experience. But they were so responsive to the opportunity 328 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:26,070 Speaker 1: to have that kind of interaction, that kind of reflection, 329 00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:31,110 Speaker 1: that kind of almost like coaching in the moment. And 330 00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:36,130 Speaker 1: so that whole dynamic of interaction, we just think anything 331 00:20:36,170 --> 00:20:40,890 Speaker 1: you can do in any teaching setting, to introduce elements 332 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:44,230 Speaker 1: of interaction. That's absolutely critical. 333 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:48,550 Speaker 2: Well, it deepens learning. I mean, if you really want 334 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,940 Speaker 2: people to learn and really take in what you said, 335 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,780 Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest benefits is they will remember 336 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,460 Speaker 2: more if they have those moments to process out loud 337 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: and share what's going on. That's really good. We'll continue 338 00:21:03,090 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: after the break. 339 00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: So then I'll just jump to the, Yeah, let me 340 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,100 Speaker 1: jump to the next one. So this will not surprise 341 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: you considering the three that we've already given you. But 342 00:21:16,619 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: when we look at the schedule of, let's say, a 343 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,109 Speaker 1: workshop day or a multiple day retreat, one of the 344 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:25,149 Speaker 1: things we're always looking to do is to create a 345 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:30,050 Speaker 1: spacious schedule. See, again, this sort of bumps up against 346 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:36,869 Speaker 1: some of our cultural assumptions is maximize the time. Which means, 347 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:41,980 Speaker 1: in the popular imagination, cram as much good stuff as 348 00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:47,260 Speaker 1: you can into every possible nook and cranny of that schedule. 349 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: And you've all heard the thing, you know, I left 350 00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: that conference and I felt like I needed a vacation 351 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,010 Speaker 1: from the conference, you know. So we try not to 352 00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:02,950 Speaker 1: crowd our gatherings with back-to-back-to-back meetings. We like there to 353 00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:06,050 Speaker 1: be some space between sessions. We like there to be 354 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:08,870 Speaker 1: some open space on any given day on a multiple 355 00:22:08,890 --> 00:22:14,409 Speaker 1: day retreat that is not programmed, that is not scheduled 356 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:19,540 Speaker 1: with some, you know, deliverable, let's say. And so what 357 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,340 Speaker 1: that kind of spacious schedule does is it gives people 358 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,570 Speaker 1: time to absorb what they're hearing. It leaves room for 359 00:22:29,070 --> 00:22:33,629 Speaker 1: personal elements like reflection or prayer. or just sort of 360 00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:40,290 Speaker 1: ad hoc informal conversations between people. What happens is when 361 00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:42,940 Speaker 1: people are constantly moving from one thing to the next, 362 00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: they're just skimming over all this great stuff you're giving them, 363 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: and they so rarely integrate what they're learning. So again, 364 00:22:52,340 --> 00:22:57,090 Speaker 1: a slower pace and a more spacious schedule really does 365 00:22:57,170 --> 00:23:00,370 Speaker 1: allow the experience to be planted, to become a little 366 00:23:00,410 --> 00:23:05,100 Speaker 1: bit more rooted, in people's souls. But again, I'm just, 367 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: I know very well that the intuition is people aren't 368 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: going to feel like they got what they paid for. 369 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,369 Speaker 1: You know, they're paying to be at this place and 370 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,969 Speaker 1: there's this speaker person who's got all this expertise and 371 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:20,570 Speaker 1: I just want them to back up their dump truck 372 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:26,369 Speaker 1: and give me everything they know. And that would be 373 00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:30,729 Speaker 1: great if learning worked as filling up a receptacle. But 374 00:23:30,790 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: that is not what training and Christian education is. We 375 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,500 Speaker 1: believe all teaching and training is formational, and that's a 376 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:45,790 Speaker 1: very different model than filling up a container. 377 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,129 Speaker 2: You can hear that it's a pretty deep-seated bias on 378 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:52,910 Speaker 2: our part. But that's because we're practitioners, and we think 379 00:23:53,050 --> 00:23:56,350 Speaker 2: all Christians should be practitioners. We're being formed into the 380 00:23:56,430 --> 00:24:01,300 Speaker 2: image of Christ. And as Dallas Willard would have said, Christ-likeness, right? 381 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: And so if we are apprentices, if we are disciples, 382 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:10,660 Speaker 2: if we are sheep following a shepherd, then it's change 383 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: we're after. You know, we're over the long haul being formed. 384 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:19,410 Speaker 2: And so only taking in information is just not enough. 385 00:24:19,650 --> 00:24:22,050 Speaker 2: And so the space to have all these other things 386 00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:23,929 Speaker 2: that we're talking about, in a way, this one we 387 00:24:23,950 --> 00:24:26,230 Speaker 2: just talked about is sort of an overarching thing. for 388 00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:28,090 Speaker 2: all the things we're talking about. We make sure there's 389 00:24:28,109 --> 00:24:30,950 Speaker 2: enough space so all the things that we're suggesting here 390 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: can happen. And I will say, it takes some courage 391 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: to do this. And it also takes a look at 392 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,820 Speaker 2: your own ego. If we're going to meddle for a 393 00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:45,260 Speaker 2: minute here. And we're talking from experience. We're not pointing fingers, right? 394 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,020 Speaker 2: I think Alan and I both, you know, of course 395 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:52,180 Speaker 2: we would love to offer all the nuggets that we've got. 396 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:56,620 Speaker 2: But you've got to have some humility. I know what 397 00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: I know, and I have the honor and privilege of 398 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: sharing what I know, but there's so much more that 399 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: goes on than just what I say. It's just a 400 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,420 Speaker 2: little bit of humility. 401 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Yes. 402 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,300 Speaker 2: Moving on from there, let's move to the next one. 403 00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:13,940 Speaker 2: Is this our last one? No, there's more. Oh, my goodness. 404 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: We have so many of these. This one, we just 405 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,770 Speaker 2: called it Group Dynamics. For lack of another phrase, we 406 00:25:21,790 --> 00:25:24,300 Speaker 2: just called it group dynamics. And this is the one 407 00:25:24,380 --> 00:25:27,060 Speaker 2: where we just remember that every group has a range 408 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:30,500 Speaker 2: of personalities. And it's a skill to learn how to 409 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,990 Speaker 2: sort of hold space for multiple people, all of whom 410 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:37,470 Speaker 2: are different and have different agendas for why they're there 411 00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:38,409 Speaker 2: or what's going on. 412 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:38,750 Speaker 1: So, yeah. 413 00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: For example, around the table we shared earlier that we 414 00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: like to have people turn in twos or we like 415 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,140 Speaker 2: to have people share. Well, there are some personalities where 416 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,820 Speaker 2: people will speak up. They do it easily. They do 417 00:25:49,859 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 2: it quickly. Other personalities take a little bit of time. 418 00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:54,740 Speaker 2: They have to bake it in the oven for a 419 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:58,250 Speaker 2: bit before they might feel ready to share. And so 420 00:25:58,310 --> 00:26:02,070 Speaker 2: especially if we're with people for longer than just a workshop, 421 00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:05,350 Speaker 2: we start to pay attention to that. And as facilitators, 422 00:26:05,369 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: we just try to pay attention to to how that 423 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: might be balancing out. We want to make sure that 424 00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:17,260 Speaker 2: quieter people have room to contribute. And we want to 425 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,690 Speaker 2: encourage the whole group to listen well and not just 426 00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:24,369 Speaker 2: jump in to correct or fix what someone shares. We 427 00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:27,210 Speaker 2: have some pretty strong opinions about that as well. We're 428 00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:29,649 Speaker 2: never in a place where we're in fix-it mode or 429 00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:33,900 Speaker 2: giving advice. We teach and train people how to be 430 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,170 Speaker 2: gracious listeners holding space for where people are and not 431 00:26:39,250 --> 00:26:43,649 Speaker 2: jumping to fix it unless a person specifically asks for something. 432 00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:46,970 Speaker 2: So we try to just watch how all this plays out. 433 00:26:47,010 --> 00:26:48,609 Speaker 2: For the most part, again, the people that lean in 434 00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:52,250 Speaker 2: toward us have some really great self-awareness already built in. 435 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:54,550 Speaker 2: So it's not like we don't feel like police ever, 436 00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:57,909 Speaker 2: but it is something that we watch for so that 437 00:26:57,950 --> 00:27:02,030 Speaker 2: we can shepherd the conversation. For example, I have, and 438 00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:05,410 Speaker 2: Alan does too, we do a lot of Zoom interactions even. 439 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,100 Speaker 2: And sometimes that's even a little easier because you can 440 00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:10,060 Speaker 2: see on the screen who hasn't spoken. And so every 441 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,659 Speaker 2: once in a while, I'll just call people out, not 442 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 2: to embarrass them, but just say, hey, you've been real 443 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:17,659 Speaker 2: quiet today. What are you thinking? And sometimes that's all 444 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,609 Speaker 2: a person needs is a little invitation because they're shy. 445 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,629 Speaker 2: So that's what I'm talking about. Just be aware of 446 00:27:22,670 --> 00:27:25,470 Speaker 2: who's in the room and see if you can help 447 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:30,030 Speaker 2: draw people out. And if you have to, which again, 448 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:32,310 Speaker 2: we've never had to do this, Alan, I don't think. 449 00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:34,949 Speaker 2: You can remind me if I'm wrong, but as a leader, 450 00:27:36,609 --> 00:27:40,830 Speaker 2: You might need to address this directly, right? Somehow shepherding 451 00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:43,890 Speaker 2: well the room. So there are some people who might 452 00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:46,170 Speaker 2: want to be talking too much, might need to dial 453 00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:50,210 Speaker 2: it back. Those that are quiet might need to come forward. 454 00:27:50,910 --> 00:27:53,290 Speaker 2: But just being aware of that. What do you think 455 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:53,869 Speaker 2: about that one? 456 00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:58,990 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I can think of times where we've tried 457 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: to find a tactful way to say, you know, some 458 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: of you are going to buy us the quiet. And 459 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: we understand that. Like you said, they want to think 460 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: a while before they talk. And then there's other people 461 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:15,140 Speaker 1: who think out loud. They think by talking. So being 462 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: able to sense that and sort of being able to 463 00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:20,940 Speaker 1: invite a group to honor each other so that those 464 00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: who find talking easy and actually the best way to 465 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,870 Speaker 1: think will realize some people are being quiet, but they 466 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,570 Speaker 1: may need space, a little space of nobody talking to 467 00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:34,610 Speaker 1: sort of step up and share what's happening inside of them. 468 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,900 Speaker 1: One of the things this says is your teaching is 469 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:43,830 Speaker 1: not just about you and your content. It's about learning 470 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:48,430 Speaker 1: about the people you're with as much as you can. Admittedly, 471 00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:50,570 Speaker 1: sometimes we'll go and we'll speak to a group we've 472 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:54,150 Speaker 1: never met. We don't know anything about them. But even 473 00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:57,260 Speaker 1: when that's true, you get the sense of the tone 474 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: of a group. And you can be sensitive to that. 475 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:03,450 Speaker 1: You can be tuned into that. I get the sense 476 00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:06,270 Speaker 1: when I watch Jesus interact with a lot of different people, 477 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: his responses to them look like him talking to different people. 478 00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: He is person oriented. He's aware. He's attentive. And he 479 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:18,580 Speaker 1: speaks to where people are. That's what we want to 480 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,740 Speaker 1: learn how to do in this whole matter of group dynamic. 481 00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:26,610 Speaker 1: It's a skill to be cultivated. So that then takes 482 00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: us to another dimension. Big conviction for us. And again, 483 00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:36,330 Speaker 1: this taps back up top to the spacious schedule. One 484 00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:38,490 Speaker 1: of the other things that you can add into the 485 00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:42,300 Speaker 1: flow of what you do other than... teaching content is 486 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: space for reflection. I often say, you know, our theme 487 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: here is unhurried, unhurried living. Reflection is one of the 488 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,550 Speaker 1: things that gets crowded out when we get in a hurry. 489 00:29:53,670 --> 00:29:57,510 Speaker 1: And so taking time to stop and look back at 490 00:29:57,550 --> 00:30:00,740 Speaker 1: where we've been Look back at what we've been learning. 491 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,610 Speaker 1: Look back at insights that we've been gaining. And just 492 00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:08,670 Speaker 1: to chew on it a little bit. Remember a little bit. 493 00:30:09,550 --> 00:30:13,530 Speaker 1: That helps deepen what has been learned. Sometimes that can 494 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:16,670 Speaker 1: be done in writing, maybe in a journaling sort of exercise. 495 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:20,990 Speaker 1: Sometimes just a little bit of space for prayerful thought 496 00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:24,910 Speaker 1: or reflection can help. Sometimes just sitting quietly together, even 497 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:27,430 Speaker 1: in a group. or letting people go off and be 498 00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:30,390 Speaker 1: alone to sit quietly with God. All of these can 499 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:35,430 Speaker 1: be ways to open up space for reflection. It really 500 00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:41,060 Speaker 1: is a strategic, unhurried practice that we make space for 501 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: in our training. Along with reflection, often, for example, a 502 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: multiple-day retreat, we'll make time in the very last session 503 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,380 Speaker 1: for reflection and for gratitude. Gratitude is sort of a 504 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: special variety of reflection. It's the looking back for opportunities 505 00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:03,180 Speaker 1: to say thank you. And so making space for that 506 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,340 Speaker 1: in the gathering. Oh, no, we're not going to be 507 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,340 Speaker 1: able to teach as much content if we do that. 508 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,510 Speaker 1: But again, our experience over and over is that these 509 00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:19,530 Speaker 1: sorts of things deepen the learning. And it's far more 510 00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:24,250 Speaker 1: likely that learning will stick for days, weeks, months to come. 511 00:31:25,270 --> 00:31:27,850 Speaker 1: As opposed to, too many of us know, we've been 512 00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:33,150 Speaker 1: to that long all-day seminar thing, and we heard just 513 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: a boatload of content, and we all know what it's 514 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: like to look back and ask ourselves, what did they say? 515 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:44,100 Speaker 1: I don't remember any of it. Like, very little of 516 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: it stuck, partly because we didn't have time to let 517 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: it sink in. So again, this is one more way 518 00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:55,430 Speaker 1: we can make our schedules in a teaching or training 519 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:59,100 Speaker 1: environment a little more spacious. And that is by giving 520 00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: people the space and the time and the guidance to 521 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: reflect back on what they're hearing and learning and experiencing. 522 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:13,780 Speaker 2: No, that's really good. I love reflection. We do. We 523 00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:17,140 Speaker 2: build that into everything we do. Again, each one of 524 00:32:17,180 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: these things is shrinkable or expandable depending upon the amount 525 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:23,660 Speaker 2: of time you have you can give people 10 minutes 526 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,620 Speaker 2: of reflection i've done that before and it is amazing 527 00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:29,030 Speaker 2: when i was leading uh pilgrimages to italy we would 528 00:32:29,050 --> 00:32:32,270 Speaker 2: give women 10 minutes in the evening to journal and 529 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:34,910 Speaker 2: the things that would pour into them and then out 530 00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:37,490 Speaker 2: of them as they shared just from 10 minutes of 531 00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: remembering what happened that day it's amazing We've also given 532 00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: people 20, 30 minutes to reflect in a gathering. Again, 533 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: we had many days to spread this all out. And 534 00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:50,270 Speaker 2: so it expands and it shrinks depending on the time 535 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:50,690 Speaker 2: that you have. 536 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:51,970 Speaker 1: Yes. 537 00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:57,590 Speaker 2: So this is actually the last one. This one might 538 00:32:57,670 --> 00:32:59,650 Speaker 2: also seem a little obvious, but this is important to us. 539 00:32:59,690 --> 00:33:01,540 Speaker 2: I think it's in our vision and mission statement on 540 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:02,130 Speaker 2: our website. 541 00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: It is. 542 00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: We have committed. Well, there's two ways to take the sentence. 543 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: The sentence is practicing what we teach. 544 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: Right. 545 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: So one way is Alan and I actually practice what 546 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,940 Speaker 2: we teach. We are not perfect. But we aren't trying 547 00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: to lay things on other people that we are not 548 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: familiar with. I can't think of anything we teach that 549 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: is just this thing that we don't do that we 550 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,930 Speaker 2: tell other people you should do it. Right. 551 00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:36,170 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, at least we're trying not to do that. 552 00:33:36,570 --> 00:33:39,170 Speaker 2: We're trying not to do that. Again, we're not perfect. 553 00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:42,310 Speaker 2: We don't do everything and we don't do everything exactly right. 554 00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: But as best as we can, we are practicing what 555 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,060 Speaker 2: we're saying. And we're offering to you that which we 556 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:54,700 Speaker 2: know and have experienced with God in our lives. So 557 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:57,020 Speaker 2: there's one meaning to that sentence. The other meaning to 558 00:33:57,060 --> 00:34:00,590 Speaker 2: this sentence, practicing what we teach, is we give people 559 00:34:00,790 --> 00:34:04,830 Speaker 2: the chance to practice what we're teaching right when we're 560 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:07,190 Speaker 2: with them. And this goes back to what we said earlier. 561 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: It is unlikely that when people come to something that 562 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:13,460 Speaker 2: you're teaching, that they will hear you teach on something 563 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 2: and that they will go home and try it on. 564 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,219 Speaker 2: There might be a few who can figure that out, 565 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 2: but John Q public will have a very difficult time 566 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,810 Speaker 2: going back into their very busy lives and figuring out 567 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:29,609 Speaker 2: how to get that onto their calendar. So we not 568 00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:33,230 Speaker 2: only teach something, but we give them the space. So 569 00:34:33,370 --> 00:34:37,090 Speaker 2: if we're talking about, or teaching about noticing God's presence, 570 00:34:37,489 --> 00:34:40,469 Speaker 2: we might pause right then and there and take a 571 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:45,220 Speaker 2: few minutes to do that. If we're talking about listening prayer, 572 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,299 Speaker 2: we might pause right there and practice listening together. If 573 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,819 Speaker 2: we assign solitude, we definitely guide them into some time 574 00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: of solitude and give them anywhere from 30 minutes to 575 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,049 Speaker 2: five hours. Again, it depends on the space. And when 576 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:06,300 Speaker 2: we teach rhythm of life, We have them make a 577 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: first draft while they're with us. So it's not like, 578 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: here's what a rhythm of life is, now go make 579 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,710 Speaker 2: it happen. It's very unlikely. The percentage of people who 580 00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:16,569 Speaker 2: could figure out how to do that at home is 581 00:35:16,610 --> 00:35:19,950 Speaker 2: very small. So by the time they leave our space, 582 00:35:20,050 --> 00:35:24,430 Speaker 2: they will have created a very rudimentary first draft. So 583 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 2: this is our bias. Give them the chance to try 584 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,030 Speaker 2: it on. It can enliven a sense of agency within 585 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:35,710 Speaker 2: them to try it when they get home because they're like, oh, yeah, 586 00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:38,350 Speaker 2: I did that. I could try that again. I know 587 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:40,259 Speaker 2: what it felt like. I know what I did. I 588 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: could probably do it again. And so these small experiences 589 00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: help people realize that all of these spiritual practices that 590 00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:52,890 Speaker 2: we're offering our teachings, they're accessible. And they can become 591 00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:55,589 Speaker 2: a part of their daily lives as well. And this 592 00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:58,390 Speaker 2: list I just made, I mean, for example, when we 593 00:35:58,430 --> 00:36:00,430 Speaker 2: have our PACE cohorts that are up and running now, 594 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: by the end of the year, we should have three 595 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,089 Speaker 2: going at once, which we're very excited about. And all 596 00:36:07,110 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: of this stuff we're talking about, this whole way that 597 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: we're talking to you right now in this last half 598 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: hour or so, all of this is modeled inside of 599 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,779 Speaker 2: our PACE training. So I just wanted to talk about 600 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,300 Speaker 2: PACE for a minute just because it just came to 601 00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:26,100 Speaker 2: my mind. Since it is the place where all of 602 00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: this really enacts itself. Of course, it has its own curriculum. 603 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: But all the ways that we're talking about here, we're 604 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,700 Speaker 2: modeling them. We're modeling them with you and for you. 605 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:37,700 Speaker 2: And we even lift the hood inside of our training 606 00:36:37,739 --> 00:36:39,989 Speaker 2: and say, hey, you know what we just did? This 607 00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:42,370 Speaker 2: is a leadership skill. And you could try this on 608 00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:45,969 Speaker 2: in your own sphere. So I just wanted to mention 609 00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:48,710 Speaker 2: that too. Alan, did you have anything else to say 610 00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:52,489 Speaker 2: about this practicing and then maybe another thought or two 611 00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:53,110 Speaker 2: about pace? 612 00:36:54,410 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know, I think, again, this is another 613 00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: element of what can fill a training space other than 614 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,379 Speaker 1: you delivering content. There's a need for good content. There's 615 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,180 Speaker 1: a need for helpful insights. But now here's another thing 616 00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:16,850 Speaker 1: to sort of build around the content, which is How 617 00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:18,830 Speaker 1: can you help people try it on right there while 618 00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:20,570 Speaker 1: you're together? And one of the things I want to 619 00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:24,290 Speaker 1: say is, you know, we're not pessimistic that people don't 620 00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:26,950 Speaker 1: care about what you're teaching and don't want to put 621 00:37:26,989 --> 00:37:30,419 Speaker 1: it into practice, would you say? What we're actually trying 622 00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:35,860 Speaker 1: to be here is compassionate. How awful to make people 623 00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: feel so inept that I keep learning these things and 624 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:41,189 Speaker 1: I never figured out how to put them into practice. 625 00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:44,470 Speaker 1: Like that is a horrible thing to make people feel. 626 00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:48,070 Speaker 1: What is better is to be able to give them 627 00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:53,910 Speaker 1: experiences to be successful trying on these insights and practices 628 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:58,310 Speaker 1: and such right there when they're together. Because you'll remember 629 00:37:58,390 --> 00:38:01,859 Speaker 1: something that you do far more easily than you'll remember 630 00:38:01,930 --> 00:38:07,580 Speaker 1: something that you hear. I mean, that's just education theory. Yeah. Yeah. 631 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: And to put another exclamation point on that, the thing 632 00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:15,820 Speaker 2: that takes it even further than doing is reflecting. So 633 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: you can hear something and you learn. You can do 634 00:38:18,219 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: something and you learn. But the thing that helps you 635 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: start rewiring is when you reflect on it. That is 636 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 2: why athletes envision themselves running that race. They know every turn, 637 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 2: every corner. I've watched a video online where there are, 638 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:35,859 Speaker 2: what do you call them, the blue angels? And they 639 00:38:35,940 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: sit around a table and they envision their entire flight. 640 00:38:38,739 --> 00:38:40,610 Speaker 2: They have maps in front of them and they're watching 641 00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:42,590 Speaker 2: themselves and imagining what it's going to be like to 642 00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:46,330 Speaker 2: pull this knob or push that lever. So all of 643 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:50,350 Speaker 2: these aspects just deepen the learning and the ability to 644 00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:52,710 Speaker 2: engage in the way that we're hoping people will, because 645 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:54,430 Speaker 2: we know you're the kind of person that wants to 646 00:38:54,489 --> 00:39:00,219 Speaker 2: help other people. So I wonder maybe just a closing 647 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: summary here from what we've said. Of course, we're going 648 00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 2: to teach. Of course, we're going to teach. There are 649 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,180 Speaker 2: things to say. There's scripture to look at together. There 650 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,230 Speaker 2: are insights to pass on. But we've just come to 651 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:20,419 Speaker 2: see that formation rarely happens through information only. Information is good, 652 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,020 Speaker 2: but it's only a part of what goes on. It 653 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:27,710 Speaker 2: unfolds as people listen to God, they reflect on their lives, 654 00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 2: and they share with other people. these are all really 655 00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 2: important aspects of our teaching and training and then our 656 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: role as facilitators is to simply create this environment where 657 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: all of these things can happen and that's a skill 658 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: you can learn we teach people this how would you 659 00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:47,500 Speaker 2: actually facilitate something lead something teach it something so that 660 00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:52,450 Speaker 2: the most uh change could become possible. 661 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:58,259 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Any closing thoughts on that, Alan? Yeah, I would say, 662 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,459 Speaker 1: so again, as you mentioned Pace, there's two sides to this. 663 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: People who are coming to join us in these cohorts, one, 664 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:12,899 Speaker 1: we're training these men and women to live this way. 665 00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:17,109 Speaker 1: How to be a person with that kind of spaciousness 666 00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:20,709 Speaker 1: and We're giving them all kinds of experiences of these 667 00:40:20,770 --> 00:40:23,950 Speaker 1: things that we've just talked about. But even more so 668 00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:28,030 Speaker 1: in many ways, we are seeking to train Christian leaders 669 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:33,390 Speaker 1: to lead this way in their environment, right? Whether your 670 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: leadership happens in an informal sort of relational way or 671 00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: whether your leadership is a position in an organization and 672 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,940 Speaker 1: you have some scope of responsibility that includes teaching or training. 673 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:51,930 Speaker 1: Pace is about helping you lead this way and to 674 00:40:51,989 --> 00:40:55,790 Speaker 1: discover how to better teach and better train the people 675 00:40:55,850 --> 00:40:59,270 Speaker 1: entrusted to your care. And that's one of the things 676 00:40:59,310 --> 00:41:03,090 Speaker 1: we think is unique about the design of Pace and 677 00:41:03,130 --> 00:41:07,730 Speaker 1: why we feel so passionately about these opportunities for leaders 678 00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:11,250 Speaker 1: to come. And what I would argue is to learn 679 00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:15,270 Speaker 1: to teach in the spirit of Jesus, the way Jesus taught. 680 00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:20,230 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. That's what we're loving to do. Well, Alan, 681 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:23,850 Speaker 2: thanks for joining up with me here as we share 682 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:29,450 Speaker 2: some of our insights on what we believe good teaching 683 00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 2: structures could include to help people. And so we just 684 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 2: pray for you all that you will be blessed in 685 00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:40,819 Speaker 2: how God is forming you right now and that that 686 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,980 Speaker 2: will make its way out into however you influence other people. 687 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:46,299 Speaker 2: That's what we hope for you. 688 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: I just add my voice of agreement. That's a good thing. 689 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,710 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me on the Unhurried Living Podcast. 690 00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:57,569 Speaker 2: You can download free resources and learn more about us 691 00:41:57,730 --> 00:42:01,529 Speaker 2: at unhurriedliving.com. And please subscribe and share this podcast with 692 00:42:01,570 --> 00:42:04,810 Speaker 2: your friends and colleagues. We'd also like to thank our partner, 693 00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 2: Life Audio. Check out their other faith-centered podcasts at lifeaudio.com. 694 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 2: Blessings to you as you make your way.