1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Natural Health with naturopathic Dr Lauren Deville. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Christian Natural Health is the podcast on how to get 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and stay healthy God's Way. You'll hear topics on nutrition, exercise, sleep, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: avoiding toxicity, meditating on scripture, what supplements to take, stress management, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: defeating anxiety and worry, how to reconcile Eastern medicine approaches 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: with Christianity, and a whole lot more. Now here's your host, 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: Doctor Lauren. 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health. Today, 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to finally continue my series on covenants with 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: the Book of Job. This is the oldest book in 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: the Bible. It is either pre or concurrent with Abraham. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: So the only covenants that were in place at the 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: time were Adam's Covenant, where Adam was originally given dominion 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: of the earth but then he gave it to Satan, 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: and Noah's Covenant, which was that God was never again 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: going to flood the earth so that there would be 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: capital punishment for murder. The reason that is important is 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: because the way God behaves in any given story in 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: the Old Testament has to do with the covenants that 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: are in place at the time. God doesn't change. He's 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: the same yesterday to day and forever. So what's going 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: on with this book, because it does seem like it's 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: a little bit different, right. So one thing to note 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: is that the word Satan in Hebrew means adversary. In 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: the New Testament his name changes. It changes to Diabolo's 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: devil in Greek that means false accuser. And that is 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: relevant because in the New Testament, under the New Covenant 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: of Jesus Blood for believers, our sins are forgiven, so 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: he no longer is accusing us accurately. Now it is 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: a false accusation because our sins are covered. But in 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: Job's time that wasn't the case. The accusations were true 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: and they stood. So we're told in Job one that 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: Satan had been walking to and fro around the earth 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: Job one six. This was his earth and accused Job 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: essentially of insincerity God. It seems like God is pointing 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: out Satan, but presumably so. Satan is coming into the 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: queue in heaven and the Lord said to Satan, have 38 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 2: you considered my servant Job that there is none like 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: him on earth and a blameless and upright man, one 40 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: who fears God and shuns evil. So this seems a 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: little bit like God is the one who paints the 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: target on Job's back. But I suspect Himan. God is omniscient, right, 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: so he knew what Satan was thinking about, and he 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: probably was just cutting to the chase and saying, let's 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: go ahead and get this out in the open and 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: talk about it. So then Satan answered the Lord and said, 47 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: does Job fear God for nothing? Have you not made 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: a hedge around him and all his around his household, 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: and all around all that he has on every side? 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: You have blessed the work of his hands, and his 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: possessions have increased in the land. But now stretch out 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: your hand and touch all that he has, and he 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: will surely curse you to your face. Okay, So he 54 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: was essentially saying that he doesn't actually love you. He 55 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: just wants what you can do for him, essentially. So 56 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: remember that in the Garden of Eden he was telling 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: Eve that was holding out on her an Adam that 58 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: essentially he didn't really love them. Now he's doing the 59 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: same thing in reverse. He's doing the same thing to God, saying, 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: your people, especially this one specimen that we've now agreed 61 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: is one of the most blameless and upright that he 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: doesn't really love you either. He only wants what you 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: can do for him. This is a courtroom drama. We're 64 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: trying to prove something here is was what Satan's attempting 65 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: to do. God then responds in Job one twelve, and 66 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: the Lord said to Satan, behold all that he has 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: is in your power. Only do not lay a hand 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: on his person. So God, I think, is not if 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: you look at this in the context of the covenants 70 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: that are available. God isn't saying I give you permission. 71 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: God is saying he's already in your power. Because Satan 72 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: is the god of this earth. Satan is the one 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: who has the dominion that originally belonged to Adam. And 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: there's nothing else to protect humans other than that. So 75 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: that's what God is saying. He's saying what is legally 76 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: true already, not what he wants under those circumstances. The 77 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: promises are there for the future, for protection and blessing 78 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. So at this but 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: those aren't there yet. Job's covenant head is just Adam, 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: and Adam obeyed Satan, giving Satan legal rights under that covenant. 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: God loves Job, and he's blessed him with wealth and 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: with a large family and success in every area. And 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: until now Satan hasn't legally objected, but now he is 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: so in one stroke, Job loses his children and his 85 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: wealth because God's hands are tied. So now we enter 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: job two. There's another scene in heaven. So verse three, 87 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: the Lord said to Satan, have you considered my servant Job, 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: that there is none like him on the earth, a 89 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil, 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: and still he holds fast to his integrity. Although you 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: incited me against him to destroy him without cause. Okay, 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: so God says, you incited me against him to destroy him. 93 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: So this is not God was not the one who attacked. 94 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: We see in Job one. We can read how it happened. 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: It wasn't God doing it, It was Satan doing it. 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: But what God did was he removed the hedge of protection. 97 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: And he did it because he had to. That is 98 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: what the way to look at this. The problematic part 99 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: is that peace but God was just legally forced to 100 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: withdraw that the hedge. And Ecclesiastes ten, verse eight says, 101 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: whoso breaks a hedge, the serpent will bite him. Satan 102 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: is the serpent. So the hedge removed the Satan, the 103 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: serpent has access to get in and to steal, kill 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: and destroy verse four. So Satan answered the Lord and said, 105 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: skin for skin, Yes, all that a man has, he 106 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: will give for his life. But stretch out your hand 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: now and touch his bone and his flesh, and he 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: will surely curse you to your face. So there he's 109 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: essentially now saying that it has to do with his 110 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: If Satan now has access to attack his physical body, 111 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: that's going to be what will ultimately cause him to 112 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: curse God. So I'm a little bit unclear why God 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: then tell. God's response is behold, he is in your hand, 114 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: but spare his life. I'm a little unclear how God 115 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: can say spare his life, because again, Satan technically has 116 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: act access to this, But it doesn't really matter because 117 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: Satan is the one he wants. He wants to prove 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 2: a point, and killing job isn't going to prove that point, 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: so that doesn't end up getting contested one way or 120 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: the other. But so this strategy is essentially what Satan 121 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: is after to try to prove that man doesn't actually love, 122 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: and that God's attempt to get man to come to 123 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: him because they want a true relationship with him is 124 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: going to fail from the very get go. So verse 125 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: three or chapter three rather is where Job's friends show up. 126 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: So all of Job's friends attempt to uphold God's character 127 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: as they understand it, and therefore they accuse Job of 128 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: personal sin. That's because they don't understand. There's a third possibility, 129 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: and the Old Testament there's basically no doctrine of satan. 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: Obviously there is one in this book, but everywhere else 131 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: there isn't, and this one is giving is peeling back 132 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: the curtain and showing us what's actually happening in heaven. 133 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: Almost every place else Satan doesn't even appear. And I 134 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: think that's largely because in the Old Testament they had 135 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: no authority against him. Why tell somebody that you have 136 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: a bloodthirsty enemy if they can't do anything about it, 137 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: that's just going to make them terrified. But the flip 138 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: side of that is that the Jews in the Old 139 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Testament were always thinking that everything was a result of 140 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: personal sin or God doing something against them. It's one 141 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: or the other. They don't even realize that there's a 142 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: third option. This is where Job's friends are failing him, 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: and then God ends up getting angry that the friends 144 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: are hurting Job and making things worse for him by 145 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: making those accusations. But they don't actually have any other 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: context except for the fourth speaker. So the fourth speaker 147 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: is probably the author Allaihu. He's the only speaker that 148 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: is not reprimanded by God at the end and in 149 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: Job thirty three, so I'm going to skip to that. 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: In Job thirty three, Elihu speaks of God's integrity and 151 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: he reveals a little bit more of the backstory of 152 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: what's going on in the spiritual world. A LII who 153 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: says some very interesting things in verse twelve thirty three. 154 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Verse twelve, he says, look, in this speaking to Job, 155 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: you are not righteous. I will answer you, for God 156 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: is greater than man. So Job was asserting his righteousness 157 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: this whole time. But he was essentially trying to say, 158 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: my personal sin has not occasioned all of this, and 159 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: he was right in that. But what Ali who is 160 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: saying is bigger picture. You are not righteous. You are 161 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: not born righteous. You were born into sin. We know 162 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: that from the Book of Romans, but nobody really understood 163 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: that concept at this point. So then also he tells 164 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: us in Job thirty three, verse fifteen to seventeen, Ye 165 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: in a dream and a vision of the night, when 166 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: deep sleep falls upon men while slumbering on their beds, 167 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: then he God opens the ears of men and seals 168 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: their instruction in order to turn man from his deed 169 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: and conceal pride from man. He keeps back his soul 170 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: from the pit and his life from perishing with the sword, 171 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: and then skipping on to verse twenty three, if there 172 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: is a messenger for him, mediator one among a thousands, 173 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: a messenger for God, one among a thousand, to show 174 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: man his uprightness, God's uprightness, then he is gracious to 175 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: him and says, deliver him from going down to the pit. 176 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: I have found a ransom. His flesh shall be a 177 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: young child's. He shall return to the days of his youth. 178 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: He shall pray to God, and he will delight in him. 179 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 2: He shall see his face with joy, for he restores 180 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: to man his righteousness. Then he looks at men and says, 181 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: I have sinned and perverted what was right, and it 182 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: did not profit me. He will redeem his soul from 183 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: going down to the pit, and his life shall see 184 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: the light. So this passage is essentially a prophecy of Jesus. 185 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: It's saying, yeah, under the circumstances right now, there's nothing 186 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: we can do. But God is working to provide a messenger, 187 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: a mediator, one among a thousand, who is going to 188 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: be a ransom. So Ali who is saying, just wait, 189 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: the solution is coming, and it's foreshadowing Jesus. So Ali 190 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: who explains that Job wasn't the cause of his suffering, 191 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: but neither was God too. There is a third option. 192 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: He doesn't go into the details. He didn't know it. 193 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 2: This character didn't know it. But he's saying that there 194 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: is a third option and God is still righteous and 195 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: he did not mean to harm you in this way. 196 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: And then the end of the story, so we're told 197 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: that God restored twice as much as what Job lost, 198 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: and Satan theoretically could have protested again, but he'd lost 199 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: the challenge. Job never cursed God, which is what he 200 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: wanted him to do, although he did blame God falsely. 201 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: So this is kind of similar. I see it as 202 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: what happened when Jesus asked the Pharisees in Luke thirteen, 203 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: verse sixteen, and ought not this woman being a daughter 204 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: of Abraham whom Satan has bound. So he's identifying that 205 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: it is Satan that bound her low these eighteen years 206 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day. Even 207 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: in Jesus Day, God acknowledged that Satan had bound his 208 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: people and he wasn't happy about it. So the misery 209 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: of job is a picture of what mankind, the situation 210 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: of mankind without Jesus. But there is that picture that 211 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: foreshadowing that says, but God's working on it. He's got 212 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: a solution and it's coming. So I hope that was 213 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: helpful to you. Thanks for joining me and I'll see 214 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: you next week. 215 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Christian Natural Health. This show is 216 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: run by you, so please write in with topic and 217 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: guest suggestions for future shows. 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