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Speaker 1: Aviv Attig Gore, chief Middle East correspondent for The Free Press.

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Speaker 1: He's also the host of askk Aviv Anything. You should

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Speaker 1: advantage to people who find Aviv to have a unique

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Speaker 1: and important perspective. Haveviv. First, I want to start with

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Speaker 1: my congratulations on your podcast episode ninety four on the

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Speaker 1: Grand Strategy as China sees this war. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that anyone else had done that yet. What inspired you

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Speaker 1: to take a look at things from China's perspective?

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Speaker 2: I interviewed an expert who runs a for profit business

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Speaker 2: risk shop that deals with these issues, Melissa Chen. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, five episodes ago, something like that, and she

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Speaker 2: opened my eyes to the sheer scale. Now this is

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Speaker 2: something that you know how you can learn a lot

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Speaker 2: of facts about a topic over many years, but nobody

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Speaker 2: ever puts them in the right order for you so

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Speaker 2: you see the picture or what's actually happening.

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Speaker 3: She did that for me.

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Speaker 2: On China, the extent to which Iran is a second

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Speaker 2: front for China, the extent to which China's energy choke points.

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Speaker 2: China is a country that uses fifteen million barrels of

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Speaker 2: oil a day, so it's the fourth biggest oil producer

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Speaker 2: or not to slow down dramatically. If it ever wants

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Speaker 2: to replace the American led world order, which it officially

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Speaker 2: wants its official geostrategic goal, it's going to have to

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Speaker 2: create massive energy supplies. Iran is fifteen percent of its energy,

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Speaker 2: and it built out for it a one point two

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Speaker 2: because there's a full on war over Taiwan, for example,

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Speaker 2: gives China one hundred days breathing room of oil. So

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Speaker 2: for China, Iran is strategic and China has been upgrading

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Speaker 2: literally in the last two years. Iran's missile arsenal to

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Speaker 2: be to include a certain kind of missile that can

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Speaker 2: reach Mack three and hit the American chips in the

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Speaker 2: the American Navy in case of an actual war with China.

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Speaker 2: What the Trump administration is doing here, I'll just finish, sorry,

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Speaker 2: what's going on, But what the Trump's administration is doing

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Speaker 2: here is knocking out the second front. China is building

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Speaker 2: for that possible future confrontation. That's the issue that's going on.

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Speaker 2: And I learned that from her. And once, by the way,

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Speaker 2: you see it, you see it everywhere. There are good

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Speaker 2: people writing this stuff. Political just published a whole piece

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Speaker 2: with five fascinating charts about Chinese oil and excuse me,

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Speaker 2: Rannie and oil, Chinese dependence on it, how much Iran

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you then understand Venezuela differently, because

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Speaker 2: Venezuela is one of the three major sources for China's

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Speaker 2: entire industry of refining oil that America has sanctioned, Russia, Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: and Iron. So this is a big game on the

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Speaker 2: biggest chess board you could possibly play this game, and

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Speaker 2: that will if you understand that.

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Speaker 3: You understand where this war could go and what it

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Speaker 1: The China Hawks in the United States, led by Senator

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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton, who wrote this book Seven Things You Can't

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Speaker 1: this SELEC committee on China and went over to work

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Speaker 1: for Palanteer. They've been calling this out for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But you did it concisely, and you did it for

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Speaker 1: is necessary. So now I want to use the China

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Speaker 1: example from seventy five years ago to put a question

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Speaker 1: million man army. That's it. He does not want that

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Speaker 2: Hev I can't imagine. I can't imagine. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: One of the things we're learning.

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Speaker 4: In Iran, the world is learning in Iran is.

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Speaker 2: That China is not going to come and fight for

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Speaker 2: Immensely powerful, vastly more advanced in all the technical ways

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Speaker 2: I think Turkey is watching that. If you're Turkey and

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Speaker 2: Closer to America, not farther. So no, I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: So maybe he's got that in him, But I don't

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Speaker 1: I want to move to it a post that you

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Speaker 1: put up this morning on x A Eve. I'm quoting

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Speaker 1: Aviv red at Gore. Now, the scale of Britain's fall

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Speaker 1: Do you see them reversing that fall? Because it's so

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a simple man. I don't understand the

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Speaker 2: great complex vocabularies of the elites and the intellectuals and

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Speaker 2: the academics. If you have twenty thousand deployable troops all told,

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about joining the American war. It can

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Speaker 2: And if you disarm because of a long term ideology

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Speaker 2: it is what it is. They have to choose to

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Speaker 2: That's for example, not behind Israel nowadays, which that's you know,

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Speaker 3: My kids know who.

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Speaker 2: My six year old knows who Winston Churchill is. There

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Speaker 2: be democracies in parliaments without this. English people or British

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Speaker 2: people generally. The Scots contributed a lot. I don't want

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Speaker 1: It's not true of frontline states. Israel is a front

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Speaker 1: spent there in every trip I've taken there. Another topic

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Speaker 1: by has the Law. It's just it's righteous. Doesn't it

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't end in tears. It didn't end in

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Speaker 2: away overnight, right that it was very much almost identical

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Speaker 2: too long, sustained losses, vast expenditures, and then left. But

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Speaker 2: that lesson and basically it blew up the peace process.

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Speaker 3: I mean they went in.

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Speaker 2: The May of two thousand, Barako Polsies were all out

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Speaker 2: So in our case, pulling out that way was a

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Speaker 2: When Jews went to the Muslims to learn philosophy, there

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Speaker 2: It's very healthy to give societies a choice. It's a

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Speaker 2: Or we could bring that Middle East come crashing down

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know him for decades. I watch

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Speaker 3: It's simple. That is not a critique.

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Speaker 2: If it's something is good for America, then he wants it.

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Speaker 2: If it's not good for America, he's deeply uninterested in sophisticated, complicated,

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Speaker 3: Be elected, right.

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Speaker 2: The Middle East was full of presidents who were dictators.

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Speaker 2: This is a forty seven year revolution, right, that is

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Speaker 3: That's these language.

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Speaker 2: The countries that are stable, the countries that have a

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Speaker 2: possible chance of success. That's Israel, that's the Emirates, that's

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Speaker 2: by the way, Saudi and Bahrain.

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Speaker 3: And even Katar.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that distinguished these countries and the

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Speaker 2: stability of a country like Jordan, is that they're not lying.

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Speaker 3: They are a monarchy. Their system is exactly what it is.

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Speaker 2: They don't pretend to you know, they enjoin the UN

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Speaker 2: Refugee Treaty, that enjoying the Rome Statute and the ICC

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Speaker 2: that don't pretend to care about international law. They are

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Speaker 2: totally honest about what they are, and they are also

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Speaker 2: stable for that reason.

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Speaker 3: And Trump is that right.

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Speaker 1: He's not my friend. He uses me as a journalist

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Speaker 1: and he talks to me on a fairly regular basis

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Speaker 1: in public. On the record, I've only been in the

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Speaker 1: Oval once with him, and then it wasn't alone. There

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Speaker 1: were three of us talking for a while. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not the Trump whisperer. I don't pretend to be.

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Speaker 1: I just ask him questions like I ask you questions.

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Speaker 1: But it's sort of like I imagine you with a lot

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Speaker 1: of public officials that you see a lot in Israel.

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Speaker 1: Now I'll turn to Israel Prime Minister Nanielo was on

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Speaker 1: Sean Hattie's program last night doing his typical excellent job

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Speaker 1: of communicating with Americans. Has he been communicating with Israelis?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think he's learned some of the lessons. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, after October seven, he didn't communicate with Israelis

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Speaker 2: for many, many months, and actually for I think over

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Speaker 2: a year and a half he didn't really talk to

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Speaker 2: Israelis in any way that wasn't very very carefully packaged

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Speaker 2: and manage and sometimes for several months at a time.

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Speaker 2: Multiple times he didn't give a single press interview, not

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Speaker 2: even to the press that loves him, not even to

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Speaker 2: Channel fourteen, which is very pronent to now press. He

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Speaker 2: was trying to ride out politically. You know, the parliament

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Speaker 2: wouldn't disband itself basically because these people wouldn't get re

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Speaker 2: elected in the aftermath of October seven. So they all

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Speaker 2: stuck together, and therefore they become a government in Israel

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Speaker 2: becomes stable the more it's hated, that's true of me.

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Speaker 2: And he rode that out almost quiet, silent, often deeply

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Speaker 2: politically in ways that I think are I frankly won't

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Speaker 2: forgive him. He's the only person who was in power

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Speaker 2: at the time, in a position of any kind of influence,

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Speaker 2: who has yet to take responsibility for October seven.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I should ever.

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Speaker 2: As his boss, as a citizen, I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I should ever forgive him for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to tell you this. My wife's grandfather

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Speaker 1: was fired by FDR for warning the Senate publicly with

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Speaker 1: an admiral at the time that Japan was going to

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Speaker 1: attack US, and so FDR's indifference to the threat from

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Speaker 1: Japan a little bit like, who's indifference to the threat

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Speaker 1: from Hamas may look less bad in title, never look good,

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Speaker 1: but it may look less bad in time if he wins.

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Speaker 1: Big question, could anyone in the Israeli political firmament have

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Speaker 1: carried off? What netanyah? Who has carried off in the

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Speaker 1: thirty months since ten to seven.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, you know, I was just going

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Speaker 2: to say, now he's communicating a lot, but also now

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Speaker 2: it's very comfortable because it's this enormous story of success

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Speaker 2: and strength and capability. The question is would anyone else

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Speaker 2: have been able to do it? Is a fascinating question.

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Speaker 2: There's a case that absolutely not. This is a guy

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Speaker 2: who has just the sheer hours in power in negotiating

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Speaker 2: the connection, the deep ties with the Trump administration, the

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Speaker 2: people around Trump.

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Speaker 3: He is a Trump whisperer, I think, in a way

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Speaker 3: that the rest of us couldn't even imagine being.

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Speaker 2: He knows America, he understands strategic discourse in America, and

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Speaker 2: he might be the guy you want to be in

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Speaker 2: charge on this specific war in a way that nobody

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Speaker 2: else is.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's visible.

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Speaker 2: To a lot of his people, a lot of his supporters,

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Speaker 2: a lot of his base, a lot of his voters.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, you know, we don't have the polls

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Speaker 2: out of after this war. We also don't know how

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Speaker 2: this war is going to end. But going into this war,

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Speaker 2: he was not winning. He doesn't have a single poll

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Speaker 2: where he actually wins. In the good polls, he can

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Speaker 2: deny victory to everyone else. He might, by the way,

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Speaker 2: have the easiest path to a coalition in most polls,

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Speaker 2: but nevertheless.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't have a majority and hasn't had a majority.

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Speaker 2: He lost a certain percentage of his base on October

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Speaker 2: seven and hasn't gained them back.

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Speaker 3: And so the.

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Speaker 2: Big question is would any other leader be able to

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Speaker 2: lead Israel through this? And that's a question the voter

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Speaker 2: is going to be asking on election day and that's

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Speaker 2: coming pretty soon.

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Speaker 3: So great question. Can I make the case that other

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Speaker 3: leaders could have done it?

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Speaker 2: I made the case that unique, and in some ways

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Speaker 2: he is. He's a very well read, serious, thoughtful, strategic thinker.

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Speaker 3: You don't get those, you know, just you.

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Speaker 2: Know, bubbling up every political system every day of the week.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, one of the really extraordinary

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Speaker 2: things about Israel is that it has a serving elite.

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Speaker 2: It has an elite in office. Sometimes you know, when

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Speaker 2: he's fighting them, he calls them the deep state, but

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Speaker 2: he actually loves them and backs them and supports them

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Speaker 2: in one hundred different ways. We have an air force,

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Speaker 2: we have a finance ministry, We have a health ministry

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Speaker 2: built that built out a universal healthcare system that works

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Speaker 2: in an extraordinary way, way beyond what most European systems

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Speaker 2: can accomplish, and costs less. We have extraordinary competence in

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Speaker 2: our public service in so many parts of our public service,

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Speaker 2: and our leadership therefore doesn't have to actually pull all

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Speaker 2: kinds of miracles out of the hat all the time.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli Air Force's abilities what you're seeing able to

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Speaker 2: do in Iran. Olmer did that in this area in

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Speaker 2: nuclear program. It was tiny, it was time limited, it

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Speaker 2: was a single pinpoint operation. But that was the air

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Speaker 2: force that then went to Iran. Didn't its now build

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Speaker 2: that air Does he have that kind of hands on,

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Speaker 2: detailed tactical capability.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he does.

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Speaker 2: I think that other prime ministers would probably not have

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Speaker 2: navigated America as well. And you can say, well that's

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Speaker 2: decisive right now, and you might be right, but sending

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Speaker 2: the air force to do what it's doing on Iran

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Speaker 2: making those calls.

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Speaker 3: I do think that there are several other.

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Speaker 2: Options in the Israeli political system. By the way, across

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Speaker 2: the political spectrum on the deep left, you have your

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Speaker 2: ilgo Land, deputy Minister, deputy ahead of the army back

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Speaker 2: in the day. He now runs the Progressive Democrats party.

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Speaker 2: And he's a guy who when October seven was happening,

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Speaker 2: grabbed a gun, old man retired general and drove down

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Speaker 2: to the south and just physically literally rescued people. And

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Speaker 2: I think he would have the courage also to pull

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Speaker 2: the trigger on a war like this, and he would

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Speaker 2: also have the knowledge and experience and the capacity to

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Speaker 2: fight a war that is necessary to fight, to have

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Speaker 2: built this air force and sent it into war. So

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Speaker 2: you have that across also to the right of Nits

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Speaker 2: and Nohow. They're competent people. I don't think now is

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Speaker 2: that is indispensable. You know, there's an old joke by

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Speaker 2: I think I forget who said it, maybe Ben Gurian,

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Speaker 2: or maybe I'm stealing it from the English or something.

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Speaker 2: The cemetery is full of indispensable people.

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Speaker 3: Correct, right, But he's one of them.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the people in Israel that the Israeli

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Speaker 2: elite knew how to produce that could pull this off.

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Speaker 3: And that is that is something for the sheer courage.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we didn't know back in June in the first

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Speaker 2: war and this one that Iran would do that. What

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Speaker 2: would be in case that we would succeed so well

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Speaker 2: in taking out the launchers. Okay, he was going into

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Speaker 2: a war that could have had ten thousand and fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand Israeli civilian dead. He didn't know everything would go right,

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Speaker 2: and in this round everything might still not go right,

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Speaker 2: and he.

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Speaker 3: Still pulled that trigger. The courage to do that is.

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Speaker 2: Not something you can never take away from him, because

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Speaker 2: he thought it was the thing that needed to be done,

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Speaker 2: and he went and did it.

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Speaker 1: My last question, Hevi takes us back to where this

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Speaker 1: began on ten seven. Israel has lost some ground in

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Speaker 1: the world, even in America. All though I believe it's

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Speaker 1: overstated by pulling, because it's proven itself very good at

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Speaker 1: destroying enemies, but not so good at planning on how

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Speaker 1: to rebuild them. Like the Marshall plant, Hamas is still standing.

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Speaker 1: They're not dead. Does one Israel have to go in

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Speaker 1: and finish them off. And two, does Israel have to

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Speaker 1: rebuild Gaza so that it's a place where people can

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Speaker 1: actually live and enjoy life free of the threat of

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Speaker 1: Islamists and maybe occupied for a long time until they

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Speaker 1: learn how to do that in order to get the

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Speaker 1: world back to the extent you need to get the

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Speaker 1: world back, and I think every country does on your side.

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Speaker 1: Not thinking of you as destroyers. I don't. I think

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Speaker 1: of you as builders. But Hamas doesn't want to be rebuilt.

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Speaker 1: They've got to be gone.

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Speaker 2: I think the Israeli debate at the moment is basically

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Speaker 2: divided between two groups.

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Speaker 3: The groups who say, you can't socially.

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Speaker 2: Engineer the enemy. You can't, you know, with the Americans.

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Speaker 2: Imagine they could do any rock in Afghanistan. The Americans

614
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Speaker 2: couldn't do it. How are we going to do it?

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Americans could do it in Imperial Japan, but

616
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Speaker 2: they couldn't do it in Afghanistan. We're going to now

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Speaker 2: go into Gaza and what change them into the liberal democer.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how to do it.

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Speaker 2: And if we don't know how to do it, and

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Speaker 2: we don't know how to defeat Hamas in the sense

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Speaker 2: that Hamas will exact the cost of the total catastrophic

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Speaker 2: obliteration of Gaza before it will allow itself to be defeated.

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Speaker 2: This is Hamas's vision. It's it's something called the Mukawama,

624
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Speaker 2: the resistance. It's this entire, vast doctrine.

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Speaker 3: That it has been building out for many, many decades.

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Speaker 2: The total capacity to absorb catastrophic damage is their one advantage.

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Speaker 2: And the Israeli camp that says, look, we're not going

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Speaker 2: to fix that.

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Speaker 3: We don't. That's not a capacity we have.

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Speaker 2: They just say, Okay, Kamas wanted this war. Hamas held

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Speaker 2: out in those tunnels. It built the biggest air defense system,

632
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Speaker 2: the air defense bomb shelter system in the history of war,

633
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Speaker 2: and didn't let a single Godsan child into those tunnels

634
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Speaker 2: for you know, two and a half years. It wanted

635
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Speaker 2: this destruction in Gaza. It planned this destruction in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: You don't build those tunnels unless this is this is

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Speaker 2: the war you're planning for now. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: change their society. We don't know how to change. They're

639
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Speaker 2: not asking us, they're not going to let us change

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Speaker 2: their society.

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Speaker 3: So they live in this.

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Speaker 2: You know, what are we going to do. What are

643
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Speaker 2: we going to change everything? The second camp, and I

644
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Speaker 2: belong to the second camp, which is a little less humble,

645
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Speaker 2: it's a little more aspirational, it might be a little naive.

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Speaker 3: And the second camp says, we're the real war. The

647
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Speaker 3: big war is the war that.

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Speaker 2: Demonstrates that the Ihuan, the Muslim Brotherhood, the radical silofist

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Speaker 2: versions of Islam that you have in Iran and in

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Speaker 2: Gaza and in Hezbulan and the Hutis in all these

651
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Speaker 2: different places, they destroy everything. And there is another option

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Speaker 2: and another path, and that path is the building and

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Speaker 2: the great and beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Future that awaits.

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Speaker 2: Gaza is primed to be a test case of that,

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Speaker 2: and we can turn it into a test case of that.

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Speaker 2: If the half of Gaza under Israeli control is a

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Speaker 2: flourishing half of Gaza, even just pieces of Rapha, We're

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Speaker 3: To bring them all the way up to the border.

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Speaker 2: Most of the part of the Israeli control that Israel

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Speaker 2: Israeli border to protect Israel.

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Speaker 3: But we can nevertheless build real.

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Speaker 2: Flourishing areas in Gaza, have Gazans living there, who are

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Speaker 2: not Tramas, build out capabilities. Gaza, have its own government,

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Speaker 2: have it supported by the our world, have it funded

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Speaker 2: by the Americans and the Europeans, and everyone who wants to.

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Speaker 3: Invest in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Have that Gaza start to actually take the money by

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Speaker 2: letting international companies pull the natural gas that Gaza has

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Speaker 2: in its territorial waters out of the water, build a

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Speaker 2: better Gaza. While the part that Ramas can't be extricated

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Speaker 2: that part still lives the way that Kramas demands that

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Speaker 2: they live. And we could build that dichotomy, show it

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Speaker 2: to the Arab world, show it to the population of Gaza,

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Speaker 2: and reframe the debate. Also, it might be useful to

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Speaker 2: Israel in terms of the information war in the West.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit, as you say, less concerned about

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Speaker 2: the information war in the West because I don't think

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Speaker 2: Westerners have any sense of what's actually happening in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East, and their media isn't telling them what's actually

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Speaker 2: happening in the Middle East. So they're living in a

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Speaker 2: little bit in a Western moral morality play rather than

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Speaker 2: on the ground in the Middle East. With any real understanding.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, Israel probably should be pursuing how much more inspirational.

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Speaker 2: What's the worst that could happen? Will fail then live

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Speaker 2: in the first group's vision of what's happening, but we

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Speaker 1: West Berlan makes sense to me. Heavy Thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time today for a wonderful episode. I want to

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Speaker 1: encourage the audience again to join your Patreon have a

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Speaker 1: wonderful program. If you have not already begun to celebrate,

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Speaker 1: you don't sound like you've begun to celebrate. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for staying with me throughout the early evening hours

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Speaker 1: of your holiday, and I'll talk again. Soin thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time. Thanks you, Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewittt. Mark Dubowitz is the CEO of the Foundation

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Speaker 1: for the Defense of Democracies. Marc has spent decades alerting

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Speaker 1: the West, generally in the United States, specifically to the

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Speaker 1: dangers posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask Mark this week ninety hours less than

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Speaker 1: ninety hours into the war with Iran. First of all,

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Speaker 1: are you feeling satisfaction, Mark or trepidation about where we

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Speaker 1: are right now? Thanks you for having me on look you.

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Speaker 6: I think it's been an extraordinary military success so far

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Speaker 6: by the United States and Israel. It's my job to

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Speaker 6: always be concerned. I always expect the worst, and so

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Speaker 6: I can be surprised on the upside rather than expecting

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Speaker 6: the best and being severely disappointed on the downside. But

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Speaker 6: I think the incredible ability of the US and Israeli

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Speaker 6: Air Force, the US Navy, the joint operations, the integration,

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Speaker 6: the fact that we are the United States is literally

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Speaker 6: flying with a not only an ally, but a peer.

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Speaker 6: For the first time in our history, we actually have

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Speaker 6: gone to war alongside a power that is not subordinate

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Speaker 6: to us, but is capable of inflicting massive damage on

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Speaker 6: our common enemy. And I think the israel air forces performinggnificently,

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Speaker 6: the US Air Force is performing ificently, and the US

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Speaker 6: military in general has shown tremendous courage and unfortunately some

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Speaker 6: sacrifice in confronting this enemy.

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Speaker 1: Now Mark my column for Fox News this morning. The

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Speaker 1: headline telegraphs the concern why Trump must finish what he

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Speaker 1: started with the Iron's regime. President Trump's most difficult decision

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Speaker 1: as they had, and it reviews the nineteen ninety one decision,

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Speaker 1: much debated for thirty five years, to end the First

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Speaker 1: Golf War after one hundred hours. What do you think

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Speaker 1: out of the foremost in the mind of President Trump

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Speaker 1: as he considers when to end the campaign.

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Speaker 6: So, Hugh, I mean, you know, I've been a longtime

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Speaker 6: advocate for over twenty two years of bringing down the

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Speaker 6: regime in Iran and replacing the Islamic Republic of Iran

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Speaker 6: with a free and prosperous Iranian ally. But I think

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Speaker 6: the President has defined and should continue to defy his

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Speaker 6: military capabilities or military mission as stripping Iran of its

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Speaker 6: most dangerous capabilities. It's nuclear, missile, military repression, and terror capabilities.

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Speaker 6: And I think that is what the United States and

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Speaker 6: Israel are doing as we speak. I think they're doing

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Speaker 6: severe damage to all those deadly capabilities. I don't think

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Speaker 6: the President should define success as regime change for the

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Speaker 6: military mission, and what I mean by that is, I

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Speaker 6: think the next phase after the military mission is for

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Speaker 6: the United States and Israel to work closely together, maybe

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Speaker 6: with other allies using maximum pressure on the regime, maximum

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Speaker 6: support for the Ranian people, in maximum fracturing of the

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Speaker 6: support base of the regime, to then advance the military

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Speaker 6: mission to a broader goal of bringing.

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Speaker 1: Down the Islamic Republic. But I don't think we can bring.

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Speaker 6: Down the Islamic Republic from the air, but I think

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Speaker 6: we can set the conditions so that the Iranian people

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Speaker 6: can do as President Trump said and have this once

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Speaker 6: in a generation opportunity to take back their country.

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Speaker 1: Two more questions. Mark, It was reported earlier today that

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Speaker 1: the United States and Israel are arming Kurds in kurdage

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Speaker 1: Dan within Iraq in order to arm Kurds within Iran's

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Speaker 1: own courtage Dan. What did you think of that reporting

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Speaker 1: of that strategy if it's correct.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think it makes a lot of sense to

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Speaker 6: arm Iranians so that they can fight against this brutal regime,

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Speaker 6: because what we saw in January is that hundreds of

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Speaker 6: thousands of Iranians came to the streets without weapons and

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Speaker 6: were slaughtered. In the thirty thirty five thousand Iranians were killed,

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Speaker 6: maybe only in a two day period. They were proba

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Speaker 6: probably thirty two thousand Iranians murdered. We can we can't

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Speaker 6: have these people come to the streets without weapons and

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Speaker 6: without other support.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's.

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Speaker 6: Important that we do give them the means to take

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Speaker 6: the fight to the enemy. I would, you know, I'd

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Speaker 6: be cautious. I wouldn't want to arm one ethnic group

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Speaker 6: over another ethnic group and get into a situation where

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Speaker 6: we're we're picking ethnic favorites. But the Curds, no doubt,

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Speaker 6: are very competent fighters. They are armed already, and the

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Speaker 6: important thing for them to do, and for others to do,

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Speaker 6: is to tie up the security services and tie up

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Speaker 6: the RGC so that the ability of the regime to

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Speaker 6: then repress Iranians and major centers, the major twenty cities,

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Speaker 6: let's say in Iran, has been severely diminished, and so

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Speaker 6: I think they can play a very important role. I

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Speaker 6: also think, actually, look, the Kurds, the the Azaris, the Baluchis,

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Speaker 6: the Arabs are very proudly Iranian. The thing is, they're

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Speaker 6: not proudly Islamic Republic. They hate the Islamic Republic. That's

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Speaker 6: brutally repressing.

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Speaker 1: Them as well as all our audience.

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Speaker 6: But I do think they're proudly nationalistic and they're proud patriots,

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Speaker 6: and we should make sure that all groups that are

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Speaker 6: involved in.

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Speaker 1: This are committed to.

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Speaker 6: A sovereign iron that doesn't splinter into separate entities.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mark, last question two minutes. Turkey has been

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Speaker 1: profoundly disappointing again as they were in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: three when they prevented our northern entry into the Iraq War.

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Speaker 1: Spain has totally fallen on its face and the President's

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Speaker 1: cut off train trade and the United Kingdom is disappointed.

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Speaker 1: What does it tell us about our allies and what

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Speaker 6: Well, this is one of those defining moments where you

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Speaker 6: find out who your allies are, you find out who

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Speaker 6: your enemies are, and you find out who your frenemies are.

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Speaker 6: I think the Turks are frenemies and aren't quite enemies yet,

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Speaker 6: but they seem to be moving in that direction.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: Look, the Spanish and BRIT's supposedly are friends, but they've

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Speaker 6: been obviously not only very unhelpful today, but in previous

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Speaker 6: months and years neither country has really stood up. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the Brits are, you know, their inheritor of a special

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Speaker 6: relationship that we've had with the UK for many many years,

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Speaker 6: but under Starmer's rule, this government is a pale shadow

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Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll see.

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Speaker 6: Regime change in the UK sometimes soon a British government committee.

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Speaker 8: Mark America, thank.

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Speaker 1: You for all the work you and the fd D

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Speaker 1: all of your colleagues have been doing for many, many years,

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Speaker 1: and especially in the last two years to sort of

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Speaker 1: prepare America for understanding that the threat was now in

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Speaker 1: the action had to be taken. Follow him on Exit

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Speaker 1: m Dubovitz, follow FDD on x at FDD, Listen to

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Schanzer in the morning with the FDD Breakdown on Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday. And Mark host the Iran Breakdown often

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Speaker 1: and don't miss any episode of the Iran Breakdown, Born

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Speaker 1: and Glory and even Grace America. My guest is Abe Greenwald,

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Speaker 1: the executive editor of Commentary Podcast and almost a daily

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Speaker 1: participant in the Commentary Podcast. And I told John pod

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Speaker 1: Hortz yesterday, but I'll tell you Abe, thank you for

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Speaker 1: demand signal for a smart conversation about the war with Iran,

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Speaker 1: and very few people decided to step up, but Commentary did.

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Speaker 1: And it's a great recommendation for the podcast. You'll show

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Speaker 1: up when people want to talk about it. Hey, but

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Speaker 1: left me though, along with yesterday and today's podcast, which

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Speaker 1: I've listened to with this question. Happy for um by

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Speaker 1: the way, and I hope you're celebrating later and not

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Speaker 1: get the real A Greenwald. What is the purpose of

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Speaker 1: the Commentary podcast in a war with Iran? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's an interesting, interesting question because John

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Speaker 5: was the impetus for the having the emergency podcasts over

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Speaker 5: the weekend, and he often is. And you know, the

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Speaker 5: truth is Commentary, you know, having always been a magazine

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Speaker 5: that seeks to explain the Jews to America and America

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Speaker 5: Stand as a witness to anti Semitism and defend the

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Speaker 5: right of the State of Israel to exist. After October seventh,

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Speaker 5: we had a sort of informal conversation. I had an

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Speaker 5: informal conversation with John where he sort of articulated this

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Speaker 5: kind of revelation. I mean, it makes perfect sense that

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Speaker 5: this is the magazine exists for just these such moments,

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Speaker 5: to to make sense of these moments, explain the truth

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Speaker 5: as we see it. And you know there's there can

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Speaker 5: be through through the through the through through.

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Speaker 1: The sort of.

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Speaker 5: Becoming effects of modern American history and its history with

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Speaker 5: the Jews, long stretches of relative calm and ease for

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Speaker 5: the Jewish people in this country. But when there is

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Speaker 5: a moment of crisis in the Middle East, when there

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Speaker 5: if we don't come to life at those moments, then

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Speaker 3: So the same goes for a moment such as the launch.

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Speaker 5: Of this war. Because because Commentary has been advocating for

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Speaker 5: either the bombing of Iran's nuclear program or regime change

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Speaker 5: in Iran for a good twenty years. So this is

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Speaker 5: if we are not the ones to speak up and

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Speaker 5: help people make sense of this now, then no one is.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what I'll put Because I was

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Speaker 1: able to download the Commentary podcast before Saturday, I got

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Speaker 1: on an airplane and the wireless didn't work on the plane,

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Speaker 1: so it's all I had, so I got to listen

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Speaker 1: to it twice. I decided that my understanding of your

876
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Speaker 1: mission is to defend the West, and that means defending Israel,

877
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Speaker 1: the Greeks, the Romans, the Brits in the United States

878
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Speaker 1: of America, as well as our allies and those who

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Speaker 1: are semi dependent upon us and headed in our direction.

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Speaker 1: And you do that very well. And right now the

881
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Speaker 1: West is under attack by Iran directly, by Chicom's directly,

882
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Speaker 1: by Russia directly, but by a lot of fringe people

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Speaker 1: in the United States, but also how various actors figure

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Speaker 1: within it. And I think Trump's basic instinct, someone told

885
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Speaker 1: me Nixon got there by intellect and Trump gets there

886
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Speaker 1: by instinct, is to defend the West. You don't even

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if you could explain what defending

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Speaker 1: the West is. But I think you folks are doing

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Speaker 1: that every day by discussion and historical analysis. I think

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Speaker 1: I cannot overstate how valuable it is. It's not a

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Speaker 1: news program, it's a discussion program. It's what Buckley used

892
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Speaker 1: to do on Firing Line, and it doesn't exist anywhere anymore.

893
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Speaker 1: Nro defends the Western Catholicism and commentary defends the West

894
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Speaker 1: and Judaism and other people defend the West. That are

895
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Speaker 1: the great podcast. But what do you think of that

896
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Speaker 1: mission statement defend the West and the Jews?

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I was not listing every pillar of our sort of mission.

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Speaker 5: Defending the West and defending the United States in particular.

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Speaker 3: And bringing to light that the best of.

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Speaker 5: Western thought and Western policy in Western history has created.

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Speaker 3: That is also very much a part of our mission.

903
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Speaker 3: And really to.

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Speaker 5: Also make an ongoing argument that this miraculous story of

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Speaker 5: the West of the United States, which is the greatest

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Speaker 5: creation human endeavor on the planet, that the Jews are

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Speaker 5: an integral, necessary part of this story.

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Speaker 1: And that leads me to today's podcast. You were talking about.

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Speaker 1: Was the threat form Iran imminent or not? It does

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Speaker 1: not make a lick of difference to me. Because Iran,

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Speaker 1: ever since they dropped the veil on January eighth and

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Speaker 1: ninth and massacre at thirty five thousand of their own people,

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Speaker 1: they are not They cannot coexist with the West. That

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Speaker 1: one of them has to win the West or Iran

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Speaker 1: has to win. We can have some weak sisters like

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Speaker 1: England and Spain, and I'm not sure what Turkey is

917
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Speaker 1: doing right now. Iran is a malevolent evil for it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure the CCP is as dangerous to

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Speaker 1: the West as Iran is, because if they had gotten nukes,

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Speaker 1: or even dirty nukes, they would have done with them

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Speaker 1: what they're doing with their ballistic missiles Right now. They

922
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Speaker 1: are a rabbit dog. They have to be put down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Interestingly, Trump spoken terms very similar to that today. He

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Speaker 5: described the regime as evil. This harks back to the

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Speaker 5: George W. Bush hears and the description of the access

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Speaker 5: of evil, and of course before that, talk of Russia

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Speaker 5: as an evil empire. This is not the kind of

929
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Speaker 5: language that we are used to hearing from Trump. Really,

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Speaker 5: name calling, yes, moral framing of other regimes in absolute terms,

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Speaker 5: that's something different. This is not so much the opposite

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Speaker 5: of transactional.

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Speaker 1: Yes, not so much so, given that he's gone down

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Speaker 1: that way. How much of your time is going to

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Speaker 1: be spent looking ahead to twenty twenty eight because it's

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Speaker 1: really a question of party now. I don't know the

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Speaker 1: nominee are going to be, but I look at that

938
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Speaker 1: The line from the State of the Union, these people

939
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Speaker 1: are crazy is maybe the best distillation of Donald Trump, ever,

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Speaker 1: and his view of them, like, what's wrong with you people?

941
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Speaker 1: I'm never going to do a deal with you people,

942
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Speaker 1: And it's very transiited, you're crazy. And I think the

943
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party has a mind virus.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 5: And well, I don't want to say the whole Democratic Party,

946
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Speaker 5: some of the Democratic Party is just simply sure.

947
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Speaker 3: To death of the far left, which makes.

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Speaker 5: Them very weak, which is that's not a compliment. I

949
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Speaker 5: just I don't think they're necessarily crazy. Some of them

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Speaker 5: are crazy or you know, in colloquial terms, crazy, and

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Speaker 5: we should say, you know, as regards the current moment,

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Speaker 5: when you have a far left, including some lawmakers who

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Speaker 5: have been out holding placards and chanting slogans that are

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Speaker 5: authored by the Iranian regime's terrorist proxies, this is their

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Speaker 5: having declared themselves on the side of the regime.

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Speaker 4: They're crazy in that and on a great.

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Speaker 3: Many other issues.

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Speaker 5: And it's part of why when Trump first came to office,

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Speaker 5: what he called his common Sense Agenda, I think common

960
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Speaker 5: sense revolution rather, I think very aptly was as popular as.

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Speaker 1: It was the country as a whole.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have to be a far right winger to

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Speaker 3: look at what the far left.

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Speaker 5: Program and how it was instituted by liberals and the

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Speaker 5: liberal establishment. You didn't have to be a fire breathing

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Speaker 5: far right.

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Speaker 3: Winger to say, yeah, this is a little crazy, all right.

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Speaker 1: So last question, when we look over at the left

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Speaker 1: and we see what we see, and then we see

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Speaker 1: on the horseshoe and some very troubling rhetoric, especially the

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Speaker 1: anti Semitic stuff that comes from a variety of sources.

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Speaker 1: We'll use Nick flint Age and those adjacent to him.

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Speaker 1: What's more dangerous. I don't think the wackos on the

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Speaker 1: right are that dangerous, because they're never going to have power,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that anyone who gets elected with

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Speaker 1: their votes is going to grule with them anyway. But

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Speaker 1: I do think the far left in America is dangerous.

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Speaker 1: What is the priority in your view? One minute?

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Speaker 5: It's a very tough question because in some sense I

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Speaker 5: have come to expect the anti semitism of the far left,

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Speaker 5: So to me, that's sort of constant, and I have

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Speaker 5: had been leaning on my the the hope, the anchor

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Speaker 5: that is the post Buckley Wright uh as a as

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Speaker 5: A as A as a block of sanity that's there

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Speaker 5: to fight against the anti semitism of the left. The

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Speaker 5: scary thing about the rise of any sort of anti

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Speaker 5: Semitic right is that it renders both parties potentially.

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Speaker 3: Dangerous to the Jews. And that's a new phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: That is I'm counting on people like Senator Cotton and

990
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Speaker 1: those that Jaspingham to keep the GOP anchored in common

991
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: sense and pro American, pro Western ideal. Please a greenwalk

992
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Speaker 1: Baum on X today. Greenwald read his newsletter every morning.

993
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Speaker 1: What You're gonna sign up for our commentary dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. Doctor Michael Aran was Israel's ambassador to

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Speaker 1: the United States for a long time. He's authored so

996
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Speaker 1: many books, including ally, which are relevant right now. Dr Arran,

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Speaker 1: As the war rages in Israel, how are you, your

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Speaker 1: family and your friends faring.

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 9: I just got out of the safe room now.

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Speaker 10: We had a missile attack about forty seconds ago, and

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Speaker 10: it's been a busy night.

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Speaker 9: It's not the busiest night.

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Speaker 10: Yesterday we had about thirty missile attacks that we had

1005
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Speaker 10: to go into the safe room, our bomb shelters.

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Speaker 9: We've had about six or seven today.

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Speaker 10: So I don't know whether this means that Iran is

1008
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Speaker 10: focusing more on other targets in the Middle East.

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Speaker 9: We can talk about what.

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Speaker 10: That means, and on American military assets in the Middle East,

1011
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 10: the ships and bases, you know, other than Iran doesn't

1012
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 10: get anything out of shooting at us other than making

1013
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 10: them feel good. It's an ideological feel good movement because

1014
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Speaker 10: we're not going to bolt. We're not going to put

1015
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Speaker 10: pressure on Press and Trump to end the war, right,

1016
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Speaker 10: We're not going to break, so you know, they're going

1017
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Speaker 10: to try to shoot at what will give them the

1018
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Speaker 10: biggest forgive the expression in the bank for the book,

1019
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Speaker 10: which is trying to increase American casualties in this war,

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Speaker 10: trying to put pressure on various and Leastern governments to

1021
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Speaker 10: put pressure in turn on the American president to cease fire.

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Speaker 9: It ain't going to.

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Speaker 1: Work, so doctor, and I asked us of Aviv earlier,

1024
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Speaker 1: but you're the real historian, so I'm going to ask

1025
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Speaker 1: it of you. In nineteen fifty on Wake Island, General

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Speaker 1: MacArthur met with Harry Truman to congratulate each other on

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Speaker 1: how well the Korean War was going. Already, MAO had

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Speaker 1: sent one hundred thousand plus volunteers over the Yalu and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're however, Yeah, is it possible

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Speaker 1: that Turkey comes in if, in fact, Israel and Lisia's

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Speaker 1: the Kurds of Iraq into Kurdistan in Iran.

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Speaker 9: I hadn't thought of that. I can't believe that on

1033
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Speaker 9: what side of this war is Turkey is supposed.

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Speaker 1: To come in.

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Speaker 9: That's what I would ask you, Hugh. On Iran side,

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Speaker 9: It's highly unlikely.

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Speaker 1: On the side of the Ottoman Empire because this guy's

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Speaker 1: not there one.

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Speaker 9: Oh, they could attack the they could they could attack

1040
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Speaker 9: the Kurts. They could easily do that. That I can understand.

1041
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Speaker 10: You know, it's going to be again one of those

1042
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Speaker 10: dirty Harry moments, is going to be a pull the trigger,

1043
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Speaker 10: make my days what Hisbola has done for us in

1044
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Speaker 10: Lebanon now. But what we're seeing witnessing now is the

1045
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Speaker 10: discarding of just about every assumption about the Middle East,

1046
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Speaker 10: about the conflict that we've.

1047
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Speaker 9: Held for close to eighty years.

1048
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Speaker 10: Yeah, we're in a situation tonight where the Lebanese government

1049
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Speaker 10: is condemning his Bola for shooting at Israel.

1050
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Speaker 9: We're in a.

1051
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Speaker 10: Situation tonight where Katar, the presumptive ally of Iran, may

1052
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Speaker 10: be actually bombing Iran together with Israel. By the way,

1053
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Speaker 10: together with Israel. It's a total realignment of this region.

1054
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Speaker 10: It is the resurfacing of ancient hatreds because the Arabs

1055
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Speaker 10: hate the Persians and the Soonis hate the Shiites. And

1056
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Speaker 10: and with Moti's visit last week, which was quite extraordinary.

1057
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Speaker 9: Know, on the eve of this war.

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Speaker 10: The democratic elected, the leader of the largest nation on

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Speaker 10: Earth comes to visit Israel and does nothing but swear,

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Speaker 10: you know, allegiance and support for us. We could see

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Speaker 10: the emergence of a Pax Americana strategic arc that extends

1062
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Speaker 10: from you know, the Mediterranean Ocean, not from from where

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Speaker 10: I'm sitting, to the banks of the Ganges. It is

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Speaker 10: totally transformative moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought this.

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Speaker 10: I want to quote my quote by taxi driver today

1067
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Speaker 10: who says that we're not living during historical times, we're

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Speaker 10: living during biblical times.

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Speaker 1: Well said by him. Maybe that's a title of your

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Speaker 1: next book. Here's my question. You and I have through

1071
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, when out of nowhere the Warsaw pack

1072
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Speaker 1: collapsed and the entire world was rearranged. Are we in

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Speaker 1: such a moment again, because I didn't think we'd get

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Speaker 1: two in my lifetime.

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Speaker 10: I know we were two for two here. It apparently

1076
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Speaker 10: is that way. And you know, no, he knows how.

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Speaker 10: You know, we all know how wars start. We don't

1078
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Speaker 10: know how they end. We don't know. And this war

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Speaker 10: was the product of multiple miscalculations by just about everybody.

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Speaker 10: Israel on October six, twenty twenty seven, the Palestinians on

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Speaker 10: October seventh, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, sorry, and

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Speaker 10: miscalculations and miscalculations, the most recent by the Rarnians, and

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Speaker 10: thinking that if they bomb Arabs and they bomb Cyprus,

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Speaker 10: they're gonna get more pressure on Trump to stop the war.

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Speaker 10: With just the opposite, they've got a lot of more

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Speaker 10: people bombing them tonight. We don't know, but it looks

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Speaker 10: like everything's going to be shaken up. It's a it's

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Speaker 10: a Corona moment where the balls go flying in different

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Speaker 10: pockets and the billiard bowls.

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Speaker 9: Okay, we don't know, but it is remarkable to see this.

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Speaker 1: The fundamental question is the fundamentalist question that is Islam

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Speaker 1: has veered for one hundred years into Wahabism and Shia extremism.

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Speaker 1: Can MBZ working with MBS patch it up and bring

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Speaker 1: the Arab of some world into a reformed modern Islam.

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Speaker 9: It's possible. They're still going to be radical Islam.

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Speaker 10: Listen to the crazy thing is my my son is

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Speaker 10: visiting the United States now, not under fire in Israel.

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Speaker 9: Big last week he was in Austin, Texas. Wakes up

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Speaker 9: to find himself.

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Speaker 10: You know, a massive police investigation happened right down the

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Speaker 10: street from him.

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Speaker 9: You can't make this up. So you know, Islamic extremism

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Speaker 9: is still with us and will continue to be with it.

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Speaker 9: It just won't have a state behind it the way

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Speaker 9: it did.

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Speaker 10: And you know, Nazism is still with us too, but

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Speaker 10: they're a lot less dangerous because they don't have Nazi

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Speaker 10: Germany behind them. And so you know, Islamics, you know,

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Speaker 10: islamicists and Islamis terrorists may be less dangerous now that

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Speaker 10: they don't have Iran behind them. And by the way,

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Speaker 10: they won't have Hamas and his Balla behind them either.

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Speaker 9: So that is all.

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Speaker 10: These are again amazing, amazing events. I want to add

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Speaker 10: one other things. I don't know if you were talking

1115
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Speaker 10: about this, but but America's relationship with Europe over this,

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Speaker 10: I was deeply moved by President Trump's decision to cut

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Speaker 10: off trade with Spain.

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Speaker 9: Yes, it's about time. It's about time.

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Speaker 1: I regret every dollar.

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Speaker 9: And shin shame. They should move the naval base out

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Speaker 9: of Rhode of Spain.

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Speaker 1: I agree with out and no cruise ship should dine there.

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Speaker 1: I have two big questions, Michael, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much time I have. If I can, I'll take you

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Speaker 1: during the break in into the next Keep it short, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Here are the two questions. One, Gaza is not off

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Speaker 1: the table yet. It's the open swords, the open wound.

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Speaker 1: And then two Net and Yahoo. You know him, You've

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Speaker 1: worked with him, you've worked against him, You've commented on him.

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Speaker 1: Could anyone else have led Israel through these last thirty months?

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Speaker 9: Let me start with Gaza. Gaza on the table. I

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Speaker 9: think that Gaza was one of the reasons that Iran

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Speaker 9: the Runian.

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Speaker 10: Leadership felt that they could rebuild their ballistic missile system

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Speaker 10: and begin to begin the nuclear system because the Trump

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Speaker 10: administration hadn't fulfilled it, it hadn't moved on its promise

1137
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Speaker 10: to dismantle Hummas and for the in the Middle East, that.

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Speaker 9: Was perceived as a lack of willpower, lack of resolve,

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Speaker 9: and that has to be done. That has to be

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Speaker 9: then they have to be dismantled.

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Speaker 10: I was talking to a Palestinian colleague of mine and

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Speaker 10: Washingtday person, very well informed, saying that Duhamas thinks that

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Speaker 10: it basically won the war. It's emerged from the tunnels

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Speaker 10: and it still has its guns, and they think they're

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Speaker 10: going to be part of the post war arrangement. We

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Speaker 10: have to disabuse them of that. It's extremely, extremely important

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Speaker 10: for for for regional and global security. As for Natanelle,

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Speaker 10: I was talking to another friend who you know, suffers

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01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 10: from netall derangement. You know, if we have inclement weather here,

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Speaker 10: it's because of Nitanelle. And he had to admit, I'm serious,

1151
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Speaker 10: if it rains, it's Naneo. He had to admit that

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Speaker 10: nobody else could have done this, that he was willing

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Speaker 10: to forgive all of That'tagnello's to put in his words,

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Speaker 10: his fabulous personal flaws and foibles, because he has brought.

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Speaker 9: Us to this moment.

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Speaker 10: And no, I don't can't imagine anybody could have done

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Speaker 10: this other than these to these two leaders.

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Speaker 9: By the way, it's not just that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's the it's the Ness and now Trump combination,

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Speaker 10: which you know, as you know in diplomacy, and I've

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Speaker 10: been a practicing diplomat, diplomacy is ninety three percent personal.

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Speaker 10: And this war is the product of a two leaders

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Speaker 10: who understand each other, who respect one another, and have complete,

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Speaker 10: you know, open relations with one another.

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Speaker 9: And you see how that works.

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Speaker 1: The historian, wouldn't you love the transcript of that three

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Speaker 1: hour meeting, wouldn't.

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Speaker 9: That very much?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I get to write the book about it too.

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Speaker 9: That's the good view.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait for it. Doctor Michael Oran follomon

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Speaker 1: a Dr Michael Orran. Come back and stay safe in

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Speaker 1: your entire family. Michael be well, I'll be right back

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Speaker 1: in America. Stay two. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh

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Speaker 1: you at Byron, New York joins me from the Washington Examiner.

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Speaker 1: Byron political impacts of wars are very difficult to calculate

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: at the beginning, even difficult in the middle, and often

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Speaker 1: it takes decades's first impression subject to revision as events unfold.

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Speaker 11: Well, my first impression was the My impression right now

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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 11: is the same as it was the very minute I.

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Speaker 8: Heard this was going on, which is, if it succeeds,

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01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 8: it'll be great for politically for Trump.

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Speaker 11: And if we're looking at some sort of descent in

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01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 11: the chaos or rack style, it will.

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Speaker 8: Be disastrous for Trump. I mean everything one depends on

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Speaker 8: the success of the mission.

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Speaker 1: All right, to find success buying York.

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Speaker 11: I would define success as first of all.

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Speaker 8: Decapitating the Iranian leadership, so we can put a check

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Speaker 8: mark by out Yep.

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Speaker 11: Second of all, destroying all of their defensive capabilities.

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Speaker 8: We're close to putting a check mark by that one.

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Speaker 8: Then allowing or creating some sort of stable government to arise.

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Speaker 3: In which.

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Speaker 11: Iran lives peacefully and does not seek to attack its neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's Mount Everest. I'm gonna use Syria as my comparison.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this share guy at all. I'm not

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Speaker 1: one to believe in al Qaeda transformation into the nice

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Speaker 1: guy next door, but it's possible. Thus far, he got

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01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: into one scrape with Israel and then back down he's

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Speaker 1: fighting with the Kurds. Now. If Iran descends into kind

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: of controlled chaos and various parts of the country at

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01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: war with others. That's of no concern to me. If

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Speaker 1: they haven't got ballistic missiles, that's a success. But it's

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Speaker 1: not mount everth.

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Speaker 11: Well, and also they have no nuclear program right correct?

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Speaker 8: And they have no nuclear program and they have no

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01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 8: ballistic missiles, obviously that would be progress.

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Speaker 11: On the other hand, you know, if it's descends into.

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Speaker 8: Chaos, what is the US either responsibility or inclination to

1212
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 8: take part in this or just sort of step back

1213
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Speaker 8: and let it descend into chaos.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Hugh Hewitt's view on that is zip not in nothing.

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Speaker 1: I love the Persian people in southern California. I think

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: they could be great partners for a peace, but we're

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Speaker 1: not going to get involved with that because they're at

1218
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: ninety two million people. It's a bigger bite than.

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Speaker 8: A rock bob. I mean, you just went in and

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Speaker 8: blew up the entire.

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Speaker 1: Leadership, and we blew up carg Island's power supply, so

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: they haven't got any revenue. So it does seem to

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Speaker 1: me they're at a critical point where they may want

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Speaker 1: to do what Delsea did in Venezuela, which is, hello,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 11: That would be reasonable, But on the other hand, if

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Speaker 11: it does descend.

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Speaker 8: Into some sort of chaos after these actions that we're

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Speaker 8: just been discussing, the United States blows it up and

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Speaker 8: leaves right.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's look at Libya byron President Obama's famous leading

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Speaker 1: from behind campaign, it led to nothing but tears, and

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Speaker 1: it's still a civil war. It's still a pipeline of

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Speaker 1: migrants crossing dangerously to Italy, many many dying on the way.

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Speaker 1: And Americans don't know much about Libya and they care less.

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Speaker 1: What about that result? Now that's chaos. We don't care.

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Speaker 8: Look, yes, look, my feeling is we certainly do not

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 8: have to help every nation that cannot handle its own affairs.

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Speaker 8: We did not have to help them do that. I

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Speaker 8: will say though, that when we are the ones who

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01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 8: blew up the previous situation, we have some sort of

1242
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Speaker 8: responsibility in this. And that's why you have to really

1243
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 8: think about it before you go blow something up, because

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Speaker 8: you realize if you you know, for example, we did

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Speaker 8: behead the leadership in Venezuela, but as you just suggested,

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Speaker 8: we do seem to have a plan and does seem to.

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Speaker 9: Be working at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you would mentioned, and you have it

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Speaker 1: I do think the president has got to get oil

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Speaker 1: back to sixty two dollars in barrel, which it was

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Speaker 1: before the war began, because that's a direct impact on

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Speaker 1: every American's pocketbook.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about domestic politics, I think, listen,

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Speaker 8: I think the effect of the Iranian action has a

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Speaker 8: much bigger downside for politically for Trump and Republicans than

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Speaker 8: it does and upset because the things feel fairly well.

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Speaker 8: People don't care about foreign policy, and there's still care

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01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 8: about the cost of living. And remember, I went back

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Speaker 8: and looked at some of the pieces I wrote. I

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Speaker 8: think it was on decent or the seventh or eighth

1261
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Speaker 8: about Trump's pivots to the economy and.

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Speaker 9: To the cost of living.

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Speaker 11: And he's going to go give speeches and travel around

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Speaker 11: the country.

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Speaker 8: Uh. And then within a few.

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Speaker 11: Weeks he does Innezuela and that you know, completely consumes

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Speaker 11: us all for a few minutes. And then so then

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Speaker 11: you know he's going to come back. And then now

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Speaker 11: he's got he's gotten involved in in Iran. I think

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Speaker 11: I don't think there's a huge.

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Speaker 8: Upside for this in the midterm elections.

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Speaker 1: All right, But here's the counter case. The countercase is

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Speaker 1: you are absolutely right about the electorate as a whole.

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01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: Probably five to ten percent care about national security, but

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Speaker 1: they care a lot. It's for me, the most important issue,

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Speaker 1: and these two things Venezuela and Iran are big blows

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Speaker 1: to Chicom's. The PRC is very upset today and I

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01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: think Trump's playing the great game with Master's touch. But

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Speaker 1: in June, when voters lock in their view, you like

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: they're voting in Texas today and Corning and Paxston will

1281
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Speaker 1: go to a runoff and it'll be the nastiest ever.

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Speaker 1: But no one locks in their view deal June, and

1283
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: then it's locked in and it doesn't matter. That's my

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Speaker 1: understanding of American history.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with me? Well, I do.

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Speaker 11: I think as a matter of fact, in certainly, in studying.

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Speaker 8: Some primary races and in general election races, you've seen

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Speaker 8: the elector pretty much lock in months and months and

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Speaker 8: months before the election. If you remember, I was, I

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Speaker 8: was just looking back at the twenty twelve election today,

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Speaker 8: and Barack Obama did a great job of basically nuking

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Speaker 8: Romney before Romney really got started with the general election campaign.

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Speaker 8: So's that's how.

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Speaker 12: You do it.

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Speaker 11: And I don't know what situation Iran is going to

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Speaker 11: be in in June, but you know this was not

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Speaker 11: something you know.

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Speaker 8: People didn't vote for this. When you asked voters agree after.

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Speaker 11: Twenty twenty four, why did you vote for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 11: And nobody said that.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice way to move a marginal voter if

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Speaker 1: you're in a close race and a close CD. But

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Speaker 1: what matters a lot more is what you're paying at

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Speaker 1: the gas pump. So drill, baby, Drill America, yep, because

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Speaker 1: that's what America needs. Byron and ne York can be

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Speaker 1: followed on accet Byron York get his newsletter every day

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Speaker 1: from the Washington Caminal of seeing on Fox News to

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Speaker 1: the Margin News contributor. I'll be right back in America's

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Speaker 1: League News. What we're doing right now where they're in.

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Speaker 13: If we don't stap them, or if we didn't stop them,

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Speaker 13: or if we didn't start, they've been decimated.

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Speaker 1: But if we didn't do what we're doing right now,

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Speaker 1: you would have had a nuclear war and they would

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Speaker 1: have taken out many countries.

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Speaker 7: Because you know what, they're sick people, They're mentally ill,

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Speaker 7: sick people.

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Speaker 1: They're angry they're crazy, they're sick. Morning, lor and evening

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Speaker 1: Grace America. President Trump's summing up the reason we are

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Speaker 1: at war with iron. I'm joined by Senator Jony Ernst

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Speaker 1: of Iowa on Homeland Security I Committee, other committee. Senator,

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Speaker 1: and you agree with President Trump's description of our enemy.

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Speaker 14: Yes, absolutely, I think that if we had not moved

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Speaker 14: forward with this. I do believe that Iran would be

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Speaker 14: targeting US, Israel, and our other partners abroad, no doubt

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Speaker 14: about it. They have nefarious activities in mind, and fortunately

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Speaker 14: we've been able to cut them off at the knees.

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Speaker 1: So, Senator, I'm going to come to Homeland Security and

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Speaker 1: the committee on which you said in just a moment,

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Speaker 1: but as the perspective of a veteran, and you know

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Speaker 1: how expensive the munitions are that we are firing off

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Speaker 1: in great numbers. President says we've got enough, but it's

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Speaker 1: still our stockpile. Do we need a supplemental? Do we

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Speaker 1: ought to use reconciliation a second time to focus on

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Speaker 1: the Department of Defense? Or do we wait for the

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Speaker 1: order that would be regular order were we not in

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Speaker 1: a war.

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Speaker 14: Well, Hugh, I think everything is on the table right now,

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Speaker 14: and We have no idea how long this engagement will

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Speaker 14: go operation to epic fury. It could last a matter

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Speaker 14: of weeks, it could extend longer. But what we have

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Speaker 14: to recognize is that whatever it takes to end the

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Speaker 14: threat of Iran needs to be on the table. So

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Speaker 14: whether it's reconciliation, whether it's additional supplemental appropriations, whether it's

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Speaker 14: going through regular order, we need to be discussing all

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Speaker 14: of those opportunities right now and not wait until the

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Speaker 14: last minute.

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Speaker 9: We know that munitions are important.

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Speaker 14: How can we continue to manufacture and push production of

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Speaker 14: those munitions while we're expending them in the Middle East?

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Speaker 14: So you a lot for us to do and a

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Speaker 14: lot to be determined in the upcoming weeks.

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Speaker 1: Do you do that in the conference, Senator, or you

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Speaker 1: do that only in committee in one on ones meeting,

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Speaker 1: or do you all gather as a group and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to go with reconciliation.

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Speaker 9: Well, we do this through the committees.

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Speaker 14: One will need to have estimates coming from the Department

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Speaker 14: of War, and two then we take a look at

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Speaker 14: it through whether it's appropriations or whether it's through the

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Speaker 14: Armed Services Committee.

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Speaker 9: But then we will gather as.

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Speaker 14: A conference as well and decide what is the appropriate

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Speaker 14: way to move forward using the information that is gathered

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Speaker 14: by those committees.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, I want to switch to Homeland Security,

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Speaker 1: and again you are on the Homeland Security Committee, which

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Speaker 1: is without funding right now. It's operating on a contingency basis.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable that Democrats are not funding this at a

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Speaker 1: time when we can certainly expect Iran, its proxies and

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Speaker 1: all of its sympathized in the United States to try

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Speaker 1: and wreck havoc on the United States. Has there been

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Speaker 1: anyone on the other side to say, Okay, we're going

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Speaker 1: to throw in with the country right now rather than

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Speaker 1: our talking points, Well.

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Speaker 14: You mean other than Senator John fettermus because he has

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Speaker 14: been with us through thick and thin. But I would

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Speaker 14: say that the Democrats are recognizing that they're in a

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Speaker 14: very ugly position right now, and as we have the

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Speaker 14: threats from Iran, what they'll continue to do is deflect

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Speaker 14: the blame and say, well, this is all on President

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Speaker 14: Trump for starting this war. But what I would remind

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Speaker 14: them is, regardless I Ran was planning to likely strike US,

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Speaker 14: strike Israel put Americans in jeopardy that doesn't matter. We

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Speaker 14: have threats here in the homeland that need to be nullified.

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Speaker 14: So that means funding our Department of Homeland Security and

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Speaker 14: making sure that those officers, those people that work for

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Speaker 14: the department have the skills and ability and are receiving

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Speaker 14: the appropriate pay to continue doing their jobs. One thing

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Speaker 14: that we have brought up is the fact that DHS

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Speaker 14: is in charge of cyber security for our homeland and

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Speaker 14: right now we are not funding those methods to protect

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Speaker 14: our businesses, our governmental structures here at the homeland. So

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Speaker 14: Democrats beware, you know, if they are choosing not to

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Speaker 14: fund it, something happens to us. It is all on

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Speaker 14: their shoulders.

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Speaker 1: This is a question, centator, or not a statement. I

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Speaker 1: think it is the case that even if we designate

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Speaker 1: a Homeland Security employee as essential and they come to

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Speaker 1: work without pay, we can't do that to contractors and

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Speaker 1: the contractors don't work in the lapse of appropriations. Am

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Speaker 1: I correct about that?

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Speaker 14: You are absolutely correct, Hugh. So contractors, they would not

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Speaker 14: be obligated unless their contracts have been paid.

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Speaker 9: But for those that are deemed.

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Speaker 14: As essential, yes they do show up at work. But

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Speaker 14: look at our TSA and what they have gone through.

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Speaker 14: Look at others that have been exploited basically by this

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Speaker 14: process and showing up the last time we went through

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Speaker 14: a government shutdown forty plus days. You know your heart's

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Speaker 14: not in it when you have a government that's not

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Speaker 14: paying you and yet requiring you to work. So how

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Speaker 14: many things when we talk about Department of Homeland Security?

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Speaker 14: How many things when you are tired because you are

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Speaker 14: working a second job to pay the bills, how many

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Speaker 14: things are going to slip through the cracks because you

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Speaker 14: were tired, you were overworked, you were disheartened by the

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Speaker 14: fact that your elected representatives don't feel that you are

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Speaker 14: important enough.

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Speaker 1: To pay So, Senator, I think Leader thun At doing

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Speaker 1: a marvelous job. Has he arranged for floor votes on

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Speaker 1: DHS funding, not yet, Hugh.

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Speaker 9: And he is doing a fabulous job.

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Speaker 14: So we got a very brief update at lunch today

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Speaker 14: in our Republican Senators Conference meeting. But the Democrats right

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Speaker 14: now are just not yielding. So a lot of these

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Speaker 14: discussions will have to be done between the Democratic leadership

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Speaker 14: and the White House.

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Speaker 9: They have to come to a consensus.

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Speaker 14: I think the pressure will continue to build as we

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Speaker 14: see DHS continue to be shut down during a time

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Speaker 14: of international crisis, when we know that Iranians have sleeper

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Speaker 14: cells throughout the United States, when we know that they

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Speaker 14: are perpetrating activities against former administration officials. So let's just

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Speaker 14: put the political ideologies and Shenanigan's aside. Let's make sure

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Speaker 14: we get DHS funded. It's not just about cbp Ice.

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Speaker 9: And so forth.

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Speaker 14: It's also about the Coastguard TSA and others that are

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Speaker 14: protecting our homeland.

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Speaker 1: Centater Joni Earn's always good to talk to you, Follower

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Speaker 1: Jonie ernst On X. Thank you, Senator. Welcome back America.

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Speaker 1: I'm here, Hewett, joined by the Ruthless Podcast John Ashbrook.

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Speaker 1: He is there a White House correspondent? John? You know

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Speaker 1: the Ruthless podcast always has the vegetables and it's got

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Speaker 1: the fun. I want to get to the vegetables. But

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Speaker 1: can I begin with the fun with you? Please? You

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Speaker 1: are the White House Correspondent. Therefore, I assume you're going

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Speaker 1: to the White House Correspondence Association dinner and maybe you'll

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Speaker 1: get a plus one. But what about the other fellas well?

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Speaker 12: Here's the thing, Hugh, I have not been to that

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Speaker 12: dinner in quite some time, and it's just it's sort

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Speaker 12: of a painful experience if you're a Republican because you

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Speaker 12: know it's surrounded by Democrats. It's all Democrats journals. Now

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Speaker 12: that our great President has decided to attend this year,

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Speaker 12: you know that the jokes are going to be good.

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Speaker 12: You know the show is going to be good. You

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Speaker 12: know it's worth attending. And so this year, for the

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Speaker 12: first time in many years, I plan on joining, and

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Speaker 12: I think my co hosts are going to go to Okay.

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Speaker 1: I've been once. I went when that disgusting comic assailed

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Speaker 1: now Governor Sarah Huckabee, and I said, I'll never come

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Speaker 1: back to this disgusting display of left wing activism. But

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Speaker 1: you might be right. But I'm curious with the fellas

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Speaker 1: on hand. You're gonna be like the stars, do you

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Speaker 1: get a plus one? Are you bringing your wives? And

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Speaker 1: they begun to get into the dress thing because it's

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Speaker 1: a big deal for spouses.

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Speaker 12: Well, I don't know if my wife is going to

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Speaker 12: want to go. I don't know that she's going to

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Speaker 12: Wanta Covort with all of these journals. My guess is

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Speaker 12: she won't want to, but I would insist that she

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Speaker 12: attend with me and sort of bear the burden of

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Speaker 12: being around all these people together.

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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna be with Smug and he knows that

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Speaker 1: you know all the journals and your buddies with them.

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Speaker 1: So is he going to be at your side whispering

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Speaker 1: names in your air that this is that guy and

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Speaker 1: this is that gal who's your shirpa.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 12: Smug is a secret journal. He will never let you

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Speaker 12: know how many people reach out to him with source

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Speaker 12: material and how he acts on it. To be honest

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Speaker 12: with you, Hugh, he is the real journal of this show.

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Speaker 12: I know that I get the I get the blame,

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Speaker 12: I get the slings and arrows. But to be honest

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Speaker 12: with you, Smug is the true journal of the variety.

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Speaker 1: Well better for it? Is he a sleeper journal? Is

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Speaker 1: he like the mecade of journalists in your number?

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Speaker 12: Without a doubt'sout a doubt, Nobody without a doubt? Nobody

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Speaker 12: gets more incoming from Democrat consultants than Smug. They all

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Speaker 12: send their material to him hoping that he will dunk

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Speaker 12: on their opponents within the Democrat party, and he does

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Speaker 12: it very very well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's ahead of Smug is a sleeper journal. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go to the to the vegetable, the serious of

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Speaker 1: the war. Wars never go well when American troops are lost,

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Speaker 1: and we've had ka and wounded already, so they're not

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Speaker 1: going well, but they're actually moving in a decisive way,

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Speaker 1: I think, towards victory. What is the feeling inside the

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Speaker 1: Ruthless studio.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, we're all waiting to hear what comes

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Speaker 12: out of this Senate briefing that may be occurring right

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Speaker 12: now as we speak. You know, Trump top administration officials

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Speaker 12: letting everybody in the Senate know what the stakes are

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Speaker 12: on the ground, what the what accomplishments have been made

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Speaker 12: on the ground, And it sure seems like those accomplishments

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Speaker 12: are many. It seems if the reports are to be believed,

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Speaker 12: that the missile capabilities of Iran have been significantly degraded

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Speaker 12: in the last seventy two hours, that their navy is

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Speaker 12: maybe completely gone. And you know, I heard General Jack

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Speaker 12: Keen just a little bit ago talking about how the

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Speaker 12: Iranian navy was trying to set minds in the Strait

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Speaker 12: of horror moves. If our navy has taken them out

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Speaker 12: and prevented them from doing something like that, It is

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Speaker 12: quite an accomplishment. And you know they are they are

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01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 12: moving from this missile strategy to a little bit more

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Speaker 12: of a drone strategy, which you've probably been following, Hugh,

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Speaker 12: you know a whole lot more about this than any

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Speaker 12: of us at the Variety Program because you've been watching it,

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01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 12: reporting on it for quite some time. But the ability

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Speaker 12: of these drones to cause the destruction that the missiles.

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Speaker 4: Can they just they did.

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Speaker 12: They can't. They can't do as much as damage as

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01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 12: these missiles can do. And we had Brian Hook on

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01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 12: the show this morning about who I know you're familiar with,

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01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 12: very smart guy, very very smart, and he talks about

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Speaker 12: Iran in terms of the proxies they used to cause

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Speaker 12: problems in the Middle East and elsewhere, the missile program

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Speaker 12: that they've continued to develop even after last summer, and

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Speaker 12: then the nuclear program that they have continued to develop

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Speaker 12: even after last summer. And it's sure as hell, seems

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 12: like our military is just degrading every single one of

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Speaker 12: those things by the hour.

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Speaker 1: Now, John, you and Holmes are veterans of the Senate,

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Speaker 1: and the very arcane rules of the Senate. I love

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Speaker 1: when you guys, get into the tall grass and explain this.

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Speaker 1: I have a very simple question. I'm a simple man.

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Speaker 1: Reconciliation only takes fifty votes. We need to build Golden

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Speaker 1: Dome yesterday, and we need to replenish our munitions today.

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Speaker 1: Could not a reconciliation because of the spending bill, move

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Speaker 1: fairly quickly to plus up the Defense Department budget to

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Speaker 1: make good what we've expended, and to accelerate what we need,

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Speaker 1: which is Golden Dome.

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Speaker 12: You know, you raise an interesting point here, Hugh. I

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01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 12: would have told you before this operation in Iran that

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01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 12: a reconciliation bill wasn't possible in the House and Senate

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01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 12: because there are so many House members who don't want

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01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 12: reconciliation because they come from rural states and they don't

1548
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 12: actually love all of the trade policies out of this administration. However,

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01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 12: if it is something that is singularly focused on helping

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01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 12: our men and women in uniform win this fight in Iran,

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 12: that's a very very different subject and it might be

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01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 12: the pathway. I'm sure that's something they're talking about here

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01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 12: at this meeting in the Senate with you know, Secretary

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Speaker 12: Hegsith and Secretary Rubio and all of the Republicans in

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01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 12: the Senate, I know that every single one of them

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Speaker 12: is interested in seeing our operations succeed. And you know

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Speaker 12: I've already heard I've already heard the senator from Mississippi

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Speaker 12: talk about maybe the need for a supplemental We'll see

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01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 12: Roger Wicker, thank you. You know, we'll see how that

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Speaker 12: stuff plays out here in the in the coming weeks

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 12: and their path toward daylight and that what that best

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 12: path might be. But I don't think anything's off the

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Speaker 12: table and supporting this.

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Speaker 1: I think if they came in, especially on Golden Dum,

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Speaker 1: We've seen these missiles, we've seen these drones, We've seen

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Speaker 1: the shattering, devastating impacts of impact. If we build the

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Speaker 1: Golden Dum, the more we build of it, the faster

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Speaker 1: we build of it. You build it in the heartland,

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Speaker 1: you build it in every state, you build it around

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Speaker 1: every shipyard. It's a it's a jobs program, it's a

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Speaker 1: technology program, it's a forcing technology. And if it's clean,

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Speaker 1: I think your emphasis was on clean, nothing else, just

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Speaker 1: supporting the war and the defense of the country. I

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Speaker 1: think can get majorities in both houses.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, you'd like to think so that it's

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Speaker 12: the sort of protection that our country deserves. And if

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Speaker 12: the technology exists, why in the world do we not

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Speaker 12: have it. There's one other thing, Hugh, that's sort of

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Speaker 12: hanging out over Congress right now, and that's the shutdown

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Speaker 12: of the Department of Homeland Security. And you remember as

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Speaker 12: well as I do, that this is a department that

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Speaker 12: was created after nine to eleven, after we were attacked

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Speaker 12: on our own homeland, specifically to protect the people who

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Speaker 12: are here from foreign threats. We know that during the

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Speaker 12: four years of the Biden administration that there are terrorists

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Speaker 12: who are in our country. They need to fund the

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Speaker 7: I think the President did the right time. What six

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Speaker 7: I would We don't know what's going to happen, but

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Speaker 7: I would call this success for no other.

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Speaker 9: Reason but that kamani Is is dead.

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Speaker 1: of The Dispatch. David, I have not even paid attention

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Speaker 1: to one poll because pulling at the beginning of war

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01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 1: is nothing like the end of pulling at the end

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Speaker 1: of a war, or five years after whatever is considered

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Speaker 1: to be end of the war. Are you paying any

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Speaker 1: attention to it?

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Speaker 13: Well, I'm paying attention to it because I'm trying to

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Speaker 13: track public opinion and you know, keep my eyes and

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Speaker 13: ears open. But I agree with you that initial polling

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01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 13: can be deceiving. We've talked about this before, Hugh. Anytime

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Speaker 13: there's a major terrorist attack, a major natural disaster, a

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Speaker 13: major anything, you like to let the dust settle a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit, right, So at least you're going to wait for

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01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 4: the polling to be.

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01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 13: Taken the week after things happen or begin, and then

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01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 13: that polling doesn't even come out for another week.

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Speaker 4: They got to go through the numbers.

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Speaker 13: And war in particular, and this is not just military

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01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 13: action here, this is a war. It's ongoing.

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Speaker 4: Things change, things go this way and that way, and

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01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 4: so it may be a little harder to poll for

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Speaker 4: the foreseeable future. But I don't think the.

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Speaker 13: Data is all together necessarily wrong or not useful, and

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Speaker 13: it depends on what kind of data we're dealing with.

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Speaker 13: Focus groups in particular, I think might be very helpful

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Speaker 13: in understanding public opinion as time goes on from week

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Speaker 13: to week.

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Speaker 1: Now the posting John x post that the United States

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Speaker 1: is unleashed its B fifty two fleet. These are heavy

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Speaker 1: bombers with extraordinary loads payloads. They're not fighter bombers or

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Speaker 1: strike one two five targets. They can strike numerous I mean,

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Speaker 1: they can blow craters in the ground. At what point

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Speaker 1: do you say, do you expect a regime to cry uncle?

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Speaker 1: Now that the Ayatolas in Afghanistan never cried uncle, they

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Speaker 1: retreated to the mountains, But there's a government here. Tehran

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Speaker 1: is not Afghanistan.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well they're not Afghanistan, but they're kind of Afghanistan.

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Speaker 13: I mean, these guys are a bunch of murderers, zealots.

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Speaker 13: They've been going at it for fifty years and they've

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Speaker 13: never taken the easy off ramp, even though they actually

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Speaker 13: have a population that would like to be a part

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Speaker 13: of the West.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not all of the.

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Speaker 13: Population, but probably at least half, if not a majority, right,

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Speaker 13: And they just they never take the off ramp.

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Speaker 4: Because they don't want the off ramp. So I don't

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Speaker 4: know that there's going.

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Speaker 13: To be any I mean, we're just kind of speculating here,

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Speaker 13: but I don't see evidence going back these fifty years

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Speaker 13: that they're going to cry uncle and all of a sudden.

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Speaker 4: Change their behavior.

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Speaker 13: They could have done this without this, and they wouldn't

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Speaker 13: do it, and they've never been willing to do it.

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Speaker 13: And I kind of look at the regime in Iran

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Speaker 13: and everybody associated with governing Iran governing the same way

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Speaker 13: I've looked at Jamas and Hezbollah. Every time you give

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Speaker 13: these groups the PLO, the palse Liberation of Authority under

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01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 13: Yasar Arafat, it never want an off ramp because they

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Speaker 13: don't want to give up the war, because they're extremely zealous.

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Speaker 13: They hate America, they're anti Semitic, and to give up

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01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 13: the war would give up both their authority such that

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Speaker 13: it is, but also the whole reason for their existence.

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Speaker 1: You know, David, you're old enough to remember when the

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Speaker 1: Wall fell and first Stots he melted away, and then

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Speaker 1: generally Arlzlowsky and Poland melted away. In Romania, Chijsko ended

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Speaker 1: up upside down and dead, hung by the crowd. I mean,

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Speaker 1: sometimes very public figures get killed. But if you want to,

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Speaker 1: if you want to resume to dissolve, you just wait

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Speaker 1: about a month and then it starts to dissolve. I

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Speaker 1: think it's way too early to tell if it's going

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Speaker 1: to dissolve.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that dissolves. I think it can be eliminated.

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Speaker 13: But I think that's why, you know, I think that's

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Speaker 13: why the President has said this thing could last for weeks,

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01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 13: because that's what it's going to take, and it may

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Speaker 13: take even longer than that. I mean the thing about

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Speaker 13: Eastern Europe, Hugh, And you know, I'm not telling you

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Speaker 13: something you don't know, but you know, the Eastern Europeans,

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Speaker 13: the Europeans behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War,

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Speaker 13: wanted to be a part of the West.

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Speaker 4: They originally were of the West, and.

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Speaker 13: Culturally and politically they fit with Western Europe. They fit

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Speaker 13: with the United States, and they knew what was taken

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01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 13: away from them, and there was no legitimacy to the

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Speaker 13: governments that popped up in that part of Europe after

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Speaker 13: World War Two.

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Speaker 4: The Iranian regime does have a.

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Speaker 13: Bit of legitimacy because obviously was brought brought about in

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Speaker 13: part by a popular revolution.

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Speaker 4: And it's a little more complicated than that.

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Speaker 13: But I'm also old enough to remember when those revolutionarias

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Speaker 13: took American hostages and kept them for what over a

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Speaker 13: year until Reagan was about to win that election or

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Speaker 13: won that election, And so this has been ingrained in

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Speaker 13: Iranian society. There has been more and more popular uprisings

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Speaker 13: as the years went on. This regime has resorted to

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Speaker 13: more and more brutal tactics as the years went on.

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Speaker 1: There they don't have any guns. They don't have any gun.

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Speaker 1: And I know about as much about Iran as I

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Speaker 1: do about Malaysia. But I've been to Malaysia. I haven't

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Speaker 1: been to Iran. And all I know from Iran I

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Speaker 1: learned watching an hour of Tehran on Apple TV last night.

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Speaker 1: That's not quite true, but it's a modern country. It's

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Speaker 1: a very sophisticated modern evidently, and Admiral Montgomery turned me

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Speaker 1: on to it. It is riveting. But I'll tell you this, David,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine anyone wants to live in a republic

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Speaker 1: of fear. That's what it is. It's a republic of fear.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone want to live that way?

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Speaker 4: Well, we know that so many Iranians do not.

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Speaker 13: It's one of the reasons why so many Iranian expats

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Speaker 13: that live in the United States been dancing in the

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Speaker 13: streets literally, regardless of whatever they think of Donald Trump

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Speaker 13: and so No, so many Iranians don't. But the regime

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Speaker 13: still has roots, and that's why you can't just cut

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Speaker 13: off the leaves.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got to go to the roots. And

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to take a lot of effort

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Speaker 4: on our part.

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Speaker 1: I agree. David M. Drucker follow him on at David M. Drucker,

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Speaker 1: read him in the Dispatch every day. Thank you, David.

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Speaker 1: I want to mind everyone over at Hughewitt dot com.

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Speaker 1: The banner for Food for the Poor is at the

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Speaker 1: top of Hugh Hewitt dot Many of you expected me

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Speaker 1: to kick it off yesterday with a big presentation of

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Speaker 1: what Food for the Poor does. Look I've been doing

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Speaker 1: a drive for them during lent for twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: They know what they're doing for the lost in the

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Speaker 1: least in the Caribbean and Central America. They build wells,

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Speaker 1: they build food outlets, They work with partner churches. They

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Speaker 1: can be trusted every donation. We can walk and chew

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Speaker 1: gum at the same time. We can cover the war

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Speaker 1: and be generous during Lent to people who really needed.

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Speaker 1: In the season of almsgiving, this is a place to

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Speaker 1: give your alms. The banner for Food for the Poor

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Speaker 1: is at the top of hughewitt dot com. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back.