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Speaker 2: Join us in celebrating an incredible milestone as the beloved

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Speaker 2: Jesus Calling brand reaches fifty million lives impacted. As we

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Speaker 3: God didn't meet me at the top of my career,

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Speaker 3: but he met me at the bottom of my character.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. Today, we're joined by

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Speaker 2: two people who found their way through the wreckage of

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Speaker 2: their pasts to build something new. First, we hear from

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Speaker 2: Tom Harden, a former Wall Street Insider trader. Tom saw

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Speaker 2: He joined us to share how he moved from a

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Speaker 2: double life of secrets to finding a faith that finally

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Speaker 2: holds up on Monday mornings. Then we're joined by Don Castasou,

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Speaker 2: author of Treylor Parks CEO. Raised in an environment of

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Speaker 2: generational poverty and abuse, Don navigated the difficult path from

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Speaker 2: She'll walk us through how she broke that cycle and

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Speaker 2: why she's learned to embrace failure as a way to

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Speaker 4: My name is Tom Harden.

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Speaker 3: I'm a husband, a father of two daughters, and for

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Speaker 3: the past nine years I've been a speaker and author.

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Speaker 3: I traveled to company's universities and conferences around the world

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Lilburn, Georgia. It's a suburb of Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: I was the oldest of three boys. My dad spent

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Speaker 3: I was an intense kid. I read the encyclopedias for fun,

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Speaker 3: when that acceptance came, it felt like the whole trajectory

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Speaker 4: And what I didn't know then.

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Speaker 3: My whole life, I had been someone who could rationalize

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Speaker 3: Then there was a moment in my career where my

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Speaker 3: And the ambiguity in his message was enormous, and so

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely the one you tell yourself so fluently you

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Speaker 3: And a devotional like Jesus Calling is the antidote to that.

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Speaker 3: He said, I'd spent my life for the most part,

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Speaker 3: The loneliness was profound when my name went public. Almost

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Speaker 2: With more than fifty million copies sold, the original classic

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Speaker 5: March twenty third, Victorious Life Word, Jesus, help me to

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Speaker 5: rejoice in my sufferings, really believing that suffering produces perseverance.

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Speaker 5: Perseverance produces character, and character produces hope. It's so encouraging

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Speaker 5: to know that pain and problems can actually be blessings,

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Speaker 5: increasing my hope. I realize, though, that this doesn't happen automatically.

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Speaker 5: I need to cooperate with your spirit as he guides

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Speaker 5: me through times of suffering. Perseverance is such a rare

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Speaker 5: quality these days. Like most people, I look for and

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Speaker 5: long for a quick fix. But You've been showing me

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Speaker 5: through your word that lengthy adversity accepted with trust and

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Speaker 5: confidence in you transforms my character, making me more like you.

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Speaker 5: This prepares me for an eternity of problem for you

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Speaker 5: living with you. The more I become like you, the

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Speaker 5: more hope I experience. These changes in my character convinced

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Speaker 5: me that I really do.

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Speaker 1: Belong to you.

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Speaker 5: My closeness to you also helps me cope with problems,

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Speaker 5: trusting that you and I together can handle them, and

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Speaker 5: the radiant hope of heaven shines upon me, strengthening and

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Speaker 5: encouraging me. In your glorious name, Amen.

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Speaker 2: social media and be sure to check out her new book,

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Speaker 2: woman of Influence at your favorite retailer. If you'd like

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Speaker 2: to hear more stories about confronting hard truths, check out

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Speaker 2: our interview with Tim Green. Next time on the Jesus

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Speaker 2: Calling podcast, Doctor Jim Burns returns to the show. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Burns is the founder of Homework and a parenting expert.

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Speaker 2: He discusses the growing issue of adult child estrangement and

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Speaker 2: offers guidance on how to support your child.

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Speaker 6: Twenty seven percent of families have someone who's estranged. A

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Speaker 6: lot of it is gen z and millennials who have

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Speaker 6: just walked away from their parents, and the heartache is crazy,

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Speaker 6: and so I wanted to give people who have heartache,

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Speaker 6: some hope.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Jesus Calling Stories of Faith

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Speaker 2: podcast on the Life Audio Network. Every week, we'll bring

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Speaker 2: you stories from people who share their journeys of faith

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Speaker 2: and how prayer and a relationship with God transformed their lives.

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Speaker 2: so others can be inspired weekly by these stories of faith. Finally,

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