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Speaker 2: I asked promise.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Kareem Sajafor of the Carnegie Endowment. Kareem

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Speaker 1: is one of the belt Ways genuine experts on the

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Speaker 1: Islamic Republic of Iran, and he has been tutoring me

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Speaker 1: for at least a decade. A mutual friend introduced us

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Speaker 1: over dinner when I moved back to Washington in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Had the occasion since then to get up meet with

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Speaker 1: him a couple of times and dig deep into the

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Speaker 1: Islamic Republic.

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Speaker 2: And boy, you're in demand right now. Kareem.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it's good to see you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for doing this. I know how busy you must be

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Speaker 1: right now. Is the phone just ringing constantly off the hook?

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Speaker 3: It is indeed a very busy time, and I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you inviting me.

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Speaker 2: Back to well welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Can we start by alerting the audience telling me background.

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Speaker 1: You went to the University of Michigan. We're going to

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Speaker 1: overlook that here at Ohio State Headquarters. But tell them

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Speaker 1: your background and how you came to specialize and all

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 3: So, I was born in the United States, but my

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Speaker 3: parents were originally from Iran.

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Speaker 4: They immigrated to the United States.

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Speaker 3: Most Iranian families in the United States came here nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy nine or shortly thereafter when they were nineteen seventy

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Speaker 3: nine revolution happened, but my parents had immigrated to the

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Speaker 3: United States a decade prior to that, and so my

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Speaker 3: father was a neurologist. We grew up mostly in Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I went to University of Michigan and Arbor. I played soccer.

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Speaker 3: The first person I met in freshman orientation was Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady friendship, which in hindsight, I should have cultivated. And

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Speaker 3: you know I lived. I grew up speaking Persian in

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Speaker 3: our kitchen. I call it kitchen Persian. I wasn't formally

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Speaker 3: schooled in it, but I grew up with English in Persian,

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Speaker 3: and then I spent several years living abroad in college

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Speaker 3: and even in high school, I spent a year living

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Speaker 3: in Mexico. I lived in college in Italy. I wasn't

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Speaker 3: really interested in the Middle East until I felt that

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Speaker 3: things started to change in your own politically. It looked

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Speaker 3: and so I started to I went to After undergrad,

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Speaker 3: of Advance International Studies. I focused on the Middle East,

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Speaker 3: and the first week of my grad school, nine to

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Speaker 3: very clear to me that I wanted to dedicate my

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and one whether the running regime would

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Speaker 3: it looked like your own even back then was a

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Speaker 3: was based in Tehran with an organization called the International

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Speaker 3: many of my friends, perhaps more than a dozen, tried

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Speaker 4: And so for the last two.

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Speaker 3: Decades now, I've I've been focused on Iran at the

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Speaker 1: So grim I've told my audience many times, I watched

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Speaker 1: the Iranian Revolution unfold on a couch in the Western

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Speaker 4: So I was a young boy.

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Speaker 3: he also loved his heritage and his culture.

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Speaker 4: That duality was very much part of our.

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Speaker 1: I've only had one other diaspora member on that hadn't

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Speaker 1: Ask him how varied is the Iranian diaspora, Does the

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Speaker 3: The regime has virtually no support among the certainly the

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Speaker 4: When polling is done, I think you.

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Speaker 3: Probably see less than one percent support because if you're

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Speaker 3: And I think for many years there's been not really

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Speaker 4: Among the dads for Ironians, even.

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Speaker 3: Outside the United States, I would say, vast, vast majority

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Speaker 4: I think the debates have been.

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Speaker 3: About the means to get there, and whether, for example,

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Speaker 3: Last month the events in Iran, I think have really

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Speaker 3: And obviously the Runan regime drove a giant truck through

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Speaker 3: And so I think both with an Iran among the

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Speaker 1: Kareem, Were you shocked by the level of barbarity that

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Speaker 1: the regime employed in the last three weeks. I was

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Speaker 1: one of those eight occasions where the President said help

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Speaker 1: the level to which violence they descended. It's just Bobby

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Hugh, I wasn't terribly shocked by the brutality of

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Speaker 3: They have no great plan b. So, in contrast to

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Speaker 3: They are not people who are are worldly. This is

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Speaker 3: They have partnerships with countries like China and Russia, but

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Speaker 1: Now a minute and a half to break correct, what

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Speaker 3: So this is a regime which is politically, economically, and

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Speaker 3: There's routine power outages, water shortages, and I think people

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Speaker 1: I will be right back with Kurama Japur of the

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Speaker 1: Carnegie Endowment right after these messages Police State, welcome back

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Speaker 1: in America. I'm Hugh you at Kareem zad Japur is

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Speaker 1: the equal of any Iranian analysts in the United States.

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Speaker 1: He is, of course, very very much in demand right now,

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Speaker 1: and I thank him for making time for the program

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Speaker 1: today on the Sale News channel on the Salem Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: Kareem can the regime? Is it possible it would just

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Speaker 1: collapse without outside pressure in the Pharma military force given

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Speaker 1: the spectrum of failure as we talked about, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, anything is possible with these dictatorships here.

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Speaker 4: There's an old line.

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Speaker 3: That all dictatorships look good until the last five minutes.

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Speaker 3: Any of these authoritarian regimes that look so strong before,

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Speaker 3: you know, collapse fairly abruptly. So it's my view that

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Speaker 1: So there's one hundred and fifty thousand members of the

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Speaker 1: So, Sadia Poor, where do you place the probability now

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Speaker 3: No, I'm skeptical that they will try to take preemptive

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Speaker 4: And right now the.

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Speaker 4: Test President Trump. Given President Trump's history.

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Speaker 3: With your own you have to remember you, and you

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Speaker 4: In each of these cases, people feared that it could

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Speaker 3: And in each of these cases, I think President Trump

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Kareem zadupor don't go anywhere America.

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Speaker 1: Very rare you get an expert like this, So listen

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Speaker 2: He stay tuned to the Huhwit Show. Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt spending this hour with Kareem Masajapoor.

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Speaker 2: He's the first generation of American.

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Speaker 1: His parents emigrated from Iran ten years before the revolution,

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Speaker 1: the Carnegie Endowment. He's much in demand right now, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time Kareem.

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Speaker 2: Iran only hard tarreancy comes from oil.

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Speaker 1: It is exported from cars Island and from two other

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: My sense here is, and if the President has alluded

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Speaker 3: But obviously in the Venezeul strategy that that strategy of

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Speaker 1: Own now, kareem, after thirty to forty thousand people have

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Speaker 1: What the can Is it even fair to expect the

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Speaker 3: It's not likely in the immediate term, because people are

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Speaker 3: it's strongly my view that whatever the United States chooses

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Speaker 1: Krim, How are they even eating that commerce in and

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Speaker 1: Why are the reports you're able to get on the

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Speaker 2: It must be horrific.

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Speaker 3: It is horrific because the middle class has been totally decimated.

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Speaker 1: Do the people believe any of the theology that the

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: in Tehron said, at the beginning of the revolution, the

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Speaker 3: regime was eighty percent idiologues and twenty percent Charlatans, and

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Speaker 3: now it's the reverse. Only perhaps even within the regime

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Speaker 3: only twenty percent true believers. So in society, I would

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Speaker 3: say it's even less to that.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back with one more segment with Kareem Sajapur.

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Speaker 1: You can follow them on actually at k Sajipur, and

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Speaker 1: you can read them in the Atlantic. You've got a

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Speaker 1: great new piece in the current Atlantic as well as

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Speaker 1: at the Karnegie Endowment. Stay tuned, Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 2: I'm hughe Hewett.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to save the most delicate issue for the

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Speaker 1: last Kareem, which is the role of Israel in anycoming

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Speaker 1: conflict between the United States and Iran National Security advisor

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of National Security advisor in Iran said, if

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Speaker 1: there's any conflict with the United States, we're throwing everything

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Speaker 1: we got at Israel. What do you expect their role

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Speaker 1: to be? What do you want their role to be?

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Speaker 1: Does their participation make it more or less difficult to

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Speaker 1: topple the regime?

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Speaker 3: Well, Israel obviously showed over the last couple of years

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Speaker 3: that militarily they're far superior to Iran, even though Iran

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Speaker 3: is seventy five times larger as a nation state.

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Speaker 4: And so it was Israel which paved.

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Speaker 3: The way for the United States to take action because

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Speaker 3: they took out Iran's air defenses. And going back to

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Speaker 3: what I said earlier, Hugh about restoring connectivity in Iran,

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Speaker 3: you know, if Israel, which has a very sophisticated cyber capability,

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Speaker 3: but Israel was able to help restore connectivity within Iran,

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Speaker 3: I think it's something that would be greatly appreciated.

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Speaker 4: But they have.

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Speaker 3: Because they're within missile range of Iran and it's a

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Speaker 3: much smaller country, things are much more delicate for them.

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Speaker 3: And so that's why that's among the many reasons why

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Speaker 3: you have a huge US presence now in the region

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Speaker 3: and everyone is on alert because ultimately Iranian missiles are

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Speaker 3: not going to reach the US home land, but they

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Speaker 3: could indeed go after Israel and cause some real damage.

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Speaker 1: So kareem to wrap everybody in DC talks to you

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Speaker 1: about this. So I'm just curious, off the record, what

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Speaker 1: did the other countries in the region not named Israel

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Speaker 1: in the United States, Key, Saudi Arabia, the United Ara

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Speaker 1: memorates got her. What do they want to see happen?

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Speaker 1: Do they want this regime to stay there? It seems

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Speaker 1: like it's an endless source of woes for a region

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Speaker 1: that ought to be booming.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the only country, major country in

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Speaker 3: the world which benefits from keeping the is Lomar Republic

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Speaker 3: iround is Russia because as long as Iran is isolated,

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Speaker 3: it can't exploit its vast natural gas and oil reserves.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't compete with Russia as it should in global

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Speaker 3: energy markets. It's a thorn in the society of the

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Speaker 3: United States. It can't compete with Russia and its historic

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Speaker 3: sphere of influence Central Asia. Obviously, you know, smaller countries

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Speaker 3: like North Korea like to keep it around as well,

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Speaker 3: but the regional countries, I don't think any of them

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Speaker 3: like the status quo of a country on their border

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Speaker 3: that is so deeply ideological and destabilizing. But a lot

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Speaker 3: of them, for various reasons, worry about conflict. They worry

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Speaker 3: that they be retaliated against in the case of our

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Speaker 3: golf partners in said Arabia and the UE, the country

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Speaker 3: like Turkey worries about chaos that could spill over refugees

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Speaker 3: into their territory. So everyone is watching this very carefully.

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Speaker 3: But I think most of those regional countries, if they

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Speaker 3: could push a button and have a clean transition to

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Speaker 3: a nationalist government in Iran rather than an ideological government

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Speaker 3: in Iran, I think the vast majority of them would

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 1: And is there any worry on your part that Iran

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Speaker 1: is play sleeper shelves In the United States? They sent

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Speaker 1: people to assassinate people here before. They've tried to kill

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Speaker 1: President Trump. We know that, But what about a widespread

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Speaker 1: has the law or related network.

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Speaker 2: Have you got concerns there?

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Speaker 3: I'm not too worried about that in the United States.

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Speaker 3: In Europe they have carried out operations and usually here

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Speaker 3: it's not Iranian nationals that are doing that. They pay

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Speaker 3: European Russian criminal gangs or Pakistan any radicals to carry

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Speaker 3: out these activities. So that is, you know, certainly a possibility,

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Speaker 3: but at the moment, you know, I think that given

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Speaker 3: how the news is tightening around their neck, and as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned from the outset, even the Europeans that prescribe

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Speaker 3: them their Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization, I don't

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Speaker 3: think the first instinct is to want to create even

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Speaker 3: more problems for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Very last question, what is the ceiling? We know it's

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Speaker 1: hit rock bottom and they keep digging a hole into

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Speaker 1: which they can fall off the floor. What's the ceiling

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Speaker 1: for Iran if they were run by even a minimally

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Speaker 1: competent nationalist government.

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Speaker 3: That's a wonderful question, and it is something which I

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Speaker 3: think is obviously in the US national interest. Kissinger once

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Speaker 3: said there are few nations in the world with whom

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Speaker 3: in the United States, and the United States has more common

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Speaker 3: interests and less reason to world than Iran. And it's

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Speaker 3: my view that given Iran's enormous human capital, it's enormous

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Speaker 3: natural resources, it's rich history, this should be a G

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Speaker 3: twenty nation. It should be you know, Saudi Arabia, Turkey,

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Speaker 3: ar G twenty nations. Iran should be in that category.

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Speaker 3: You know, in nineteen seventy eight q Iran's GDP was

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Speaker 3: are on the same level as Spain in South Korea.

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Speaker 3: You see where those countries are now and where Iran

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Speaker 3: is now, and it just shows you what a profound

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Speaker 3: difference leadership makes. And I do believe that this country,

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Speaker 3: once it has proper leadership, it could have one of

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Speaker 3: the highest growth rates in the coming years.

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Speaker 1: And I have bonus question does the United Nations contribute

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Speaker 1: anything to Iran? Are they are they protecting world historic sites?

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Speaker 1: Are they doing any kind of relief? Have they been

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Speaker 1: any help at all in Iran?

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Speaker 3: Not terribly when it comes to the politics. You know,

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Speaker 3: Uron used to have a large Afghan refugee presence and

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Speaker 3: so United Nations UNHCR was helpful there. And I do

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Speaker 3: want to give a shout out to the new head

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Speaker 3: of UNHCR, the former president of Rock But I'msali was

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Speaker 3: a brilliant and wonderful guy. But to your question, National

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Speaker 3: Geographic Magazine once called Iran the world's first superpower, and

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Speaker 3: so there are enormous, amazing historic sites in Iran and

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Speaker 3: it will be hopefully one day soon a great destination

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Speaker 3: for Western and American tourists.

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Speaker 1: I hope you are right, Kareem Sajipor. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me for this extended period of time. I'll continue

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Speaker 1: to read and follow you on axtly. You can do that,

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Speaker 1: by the way, America at k Sajipor you cannot miss it.

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Speaker 1: And his new article in the Atlantic is not to

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Speaker 1: be missed as well. One of those experts that you

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Speaker 1: can really trust on everything having to do with Iran.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kareem. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Lucas Tomlinson is one of the best war correspondents I know.

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Speaker 1: You go abroad wherever Fox News send him. Seen him

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Speaker 1: a lot in Israel. Recently, though, I was on this

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Speaker 1: and he beamed in from Greenland, and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: I've never had a guest from Greenland before. He's back, Lucas,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the u UH Show. When were you in

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Speaker 1: Greenland and what did you find out when you were there?

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Speaker 5: Well, Hugh, thanks for having me. I just got back

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Speaker 5: last night. I spent a week on the ground in

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Speaker 5: Greenland when things were getting a little serious about people

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Speaker 5: thinking that President Trump might use military means to take Greenland.

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Speaker 5: Of course, At the World Economic Forum in Davos, President

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Speaker 5: Trump walked that back, said he has no intention of

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Speaker 5: using force, but the Danish government to controls Greenland, they

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Speaker 5: were a little nervous about it. You know, they spend

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Speaker 5: about six hundred million dollars a year on Greenland territory

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Speaker 5: that they have possessed. It's been in the Danish realm

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Speaker 5: since the eighteenth century. Boat's notable Hugh Denmark has a

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Speaker 5: population of just six million people. That's about twice the

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Speaker 5: population of Brooklyn. To control an area of Greenland that

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Speaker 5: is three times the size of Texas, he had a

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Speaker 5: pop elation that could fit into the seats of any

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Speaker 5: NFL stadium, just fifty seven thousand people. It's very strategic.

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Speaker 5: You've been hearing President Trump many others talk about the

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Speaker 5: importance of the Arctic. The President wants to deploy the

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Speaker 5: Golden Dome there. As you know right now, US missile

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Speaker 5: defense it's pretty limited. Just forty four interceptors in Fork Greally, Alaska,

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Speaker 5: and just four interceptor missiles Vanderberg Space four space in

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Speaker 5: Santa Barbara, California. Maybe not far from where you are

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Speaker 5: right now. That's just an intercept a rogue ballistic missile

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Speaker 5: from Iran or North Korea. There's no system in place

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Speaker 5: to be able to handle a large scale nuclear missiles

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Speaker 5: straight from Russia China. Also, what missile defense experts tell

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Speaker 5: me with Golden Dome is that other targets would be

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Speaker 5: in play, hypersonic missiles, drones, cruise missiles. That is why

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Speaker 5: President Trump wants to deploy the Golden Dome there. Of course,

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Speaker 5: when you're at the top of the Earth above the

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Speaker 5: Arctic Circle, it's two thirds of Greenland is it's a

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Speaker 5: much shorter distance from Russia and to any targets in

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Speaker 5: the United States. So that's why President Trump thinks Greenland

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Speaker 5: is so important and why he wants to expand the

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Speaker 5: US military presidence there. Today, there's less than two hundred

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Speaker 5: troops at one single US Space Force space in Patufic

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Speaker 5: that was about nine or and thirty miles north of

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Speaker 5: the capital of Nuke where I was. It's the same

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Speaker 5: distance from la to Seattle View.

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Speaker 1: Now, Lucas you were in Greenland for a week, I

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Speaker 1: assume you got to talk to a lot of the

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Speaker 1: native Greenland theres more than ninety percent of Greenlanders are anyway,

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Speaker 1: What do.

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Speaker 2: They think about that?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably talked all fifty seven thousand in

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Speaker 1: a week.

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Speaker 2: What do they think about this?

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Speaker 5: A lot of the Inuits, the natives, even many of

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Speaker 5: the Danes I spoke to Hugh, they just want to

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Speaker 5: be left alone. Now, a majority of Greenlanders, Greenlanders as

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Speaker 5: they refer to themselves, they want to be left alone.

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Speaker 5: They do want to be independent, though they are not

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Speaker 5: wild about you know the Danes who they live under.

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Speaker 5: You know the Danes. You know, it's a welfare state.

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Speaker 5: They spend about six hundred million dollars US a year

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Speaker 5: for Greenland to take care of the education, uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: police hospitals. It's about twenty percent of their GDP comes

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Speaker 5: from Denmark. But many of the people I spoke to

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Speaker 5: not only they want to be independent, they really want

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Speaker 5: to be left alone.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 5: They were not used to the media attention, as you

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Speaker 5: can imagine. They're really it's a a territory of hunters

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Speaker 5: and gatherers. I mean they hunt polar bear seals. You know,

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Speaker 5: muskox might have to google that one, and.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what that is.

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Speaker 5: It's a giant ox, big hairy beast in essence, and

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Speaker 5: I actually enjoyed some reindeer meat muskos. I ate raw

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Speaker 5: seal liver at a market.

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Speaker 1: If you're wondering, as he correspondent, look, by the way,

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Speaker 1: do they have a costco?

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Speaker 5: No costco in Greenland?

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Speaker 2: How about job.

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Speaker 5: No trader Joe's. I'm not going to local little grocery

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Speaker 5: stores of the whale. I had a little bit of

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Speaker 5: whale the norwall, a popular delicacy up there to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be around when a narwal

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Speaker 1: comes through the ice. Tell me, look at at least

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Speaker 1: I read. That's what I read an endurance, the book

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Speaker 1: about a Shackles Shackleton. Yeah, tell me about how you

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Speaker 1: were received your big time. I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: get cable. I don't know if they watch Fox News.

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Speaker 1: They've seen you in Israel when the bombs are coming down?

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Speaker 1: Did they know who you are?

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Speaker 2: Do they watch Fox News?

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Speaker 6: Some dude?

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Speaker 5: But I was notable that when the Greenland's Prime minister

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Speaker 5: held a press conference, he was almost doing the Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden routine. He was going down a prepared list. I

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Speaker 5: noticed CNN got the first question and then he was

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Speaker 5: going on and on down his list. I'm like, wait

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Speaker 5: a minute, I traveled all the way here from Washington.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting a question at this press conference. I moved

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Speaker 5: my seat and he looked up at one point and

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Speaker 5: called to me, which was very nice. I saw I

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Speaker 5: could ask him if you would welcome who white? Question

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Speaker 5: should welcome a great Yeah? My question was, would you

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Speaker 5: welcome a greater with the military presence in Greenland? Would

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Speaker 5: you welcome the Golden Dome? As you can imagine. A

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Speaker 5: very diplomatic answer, he said, it's discussions he'd love to have.

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Speaker 5: He didn't rule it out. You know, it's notable. A

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Speaker 5: nineteen fifty one treaty between then President Truman and Denmark says,

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Speaker 5: you know, the US military can have a presence, there's

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Speaker 5: no limit on that. At the height of the Cold

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Speaker 5: War Queue there were ten thousand US troops stationed in Greenland.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if you ever heard of Project

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Speaker 5: Ice Swarm, but it was a plan to bury thousands

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Speaker 5: of nuclear missiles under the ice in Greenland. It was

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Speaker 5: never completed, but it was worked on for years.

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Speaker 2: That's doctor Strange love stuff tell me.

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Speaker 1: Is the military base that has ten thousand people still

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Speaker 1: got the barracks that they still have the infrastructure or

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Speaker 1: all the pipes frozen and burst.

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Speaker 5: Pipes frozen in burst. There's ten thousand troops. At the

689
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Speaker 5: height of the Cold War was spread out over seventeen bases.

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Speaker 5: Today Q there's just one. It's that Betuf Space Force

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Speaker 5: Space in the far north, the high north of Greenland.

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Speaker 1: How many how many towns of size do they have?

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Speaker 1: Lucas and I consider a town to be five thousand

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Speaker 1: to ten thousand people.

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Speaker 5: Just a handful nuke is about thirty thousand residents. About

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Speaker 5: half the territory lives in the capital. They refer to

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Speaker 5: settlements as anything, you know, eight hundred and fifty or less.

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Speaker 5: They have dozens of those, but they do not have

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Speaker 5: many big cities. You can imagine. In fact, some of

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Speaker 5: the settlements to the north they're only supplied, you know,

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Speaker 5: a few times a year. And you can imagine anything

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Speaker 5: even coming into the capital has to come aboard ship.

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Speaker 5: Very little come from the.

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Speaker 2: Air, of course.

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Speaker 1: Looks, have you packed your bags for israel I?

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Speaker 7: Have you know?

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Speaker 5: I told my boss, my bureau chief, that I'm ready

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Speaker 5: to deploy to the Middle East. He goes, why don't

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Speaker 5: you get back from Greenland first? And then we'll talk.

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Speaker 1: But would it just be Israel or would you possibly

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Speaker 1: go to uae Bahrain cut her. Do you have any

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Speaker 1: idea where you'd be.

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Speaker 5: I would prefer, you know, Israel would be great, of course,

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Speaker 5: I would prefer to the Middle East, because if we

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Speaker 5: do see action in Iran and the government where to

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Speaker 5: break down, it might be a good time to get

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Speaker 5: into the country.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're a young man. Might be a good

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Speaker 2: time to be careful of.

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Speaker 1: Lucas Tomlinson, you're a friend and it's you're very kind

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Speaker 1: to come on and give.

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Speaker 2: Us the first person report from Greenland.

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Speaker 1: Lucas Tomlinson, you can find him on X I think

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Speaker 1: if Lucas Fox News on X.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Lucas. I'll be right back in America State Tune.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to kick it off with former United States

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Speaker 1: Senator Jim Talent. He represented the state of Missouri. He's

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Speaker 1: now a senior Fellow at the Reagan Institute for the

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Speaker 1: Study of Peace through Strength. Senator Talent, we were talking

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Speaker 1: off there about Admiral Montgomery yesterday, who was fabulous. But

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Speaker 1: you're you've been in the defense business as long as

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Speaker 1: he has. Do you think we are on the cusp

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Speaker 1: of a very violent war.

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Speaker 7: Well, I wouldn't call him. I mean all war is violent.

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Speaker 7: I think I think we're we're on the cusp of

736
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Speaker 7: a campaign that will be a much more campaign sustained

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Speaker 7: campaign than we had to do to take out their

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Speaker 7: nuclear arsenal.

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Speaker 6: I heard Mark.

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Speaker 7: Say ten to twelve days, which to me seems about right,

741
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Speaker 7: because there's two objectives here.

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Speaker 6: The first is to enforce.

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Speaker 7: Our red line and thereby enhance our credibility in the

744
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Speaker 7: Middle East and around the world. President's going to do

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Speaker 7: that beyond a shadow of it out. The second is

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Speaker 7: to further degrade Iran's ability to aggress against its neighbors

747
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Speaker 7: and destabilize the region, which is against our national interest. Again,

748
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Speaker 7: if you read the national security strategy, so the logical

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Speaker 7: thing to take out is their missile capabilities and the

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Speaker 7: anti air systems that protect them to the extent those

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Speaker 7: are still left. And in order to do that job, well,

752
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Speaker 7: it takes a lot of soorties.

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Speaker 6: You're not going to do that today.

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Speaker 7: So one interesting question which Mark talked about is whether

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Speaker 7: the Israelis are going to join in. I would love

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Speaker 7: to be a fly on the wall when Trump is

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Speaker 7: talking with Netniew about that.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the preference of the president is.

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Speaker 1: I think he would prefer that they not, But I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to hold him back if one

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Speaker 1: missile is shot at.

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Speaker 6: Them, right.

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Speaker 7: Look you well, with regard to the Israelis, it's a

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Speaker 7: complicated question. I mean because Israel has moved from a

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Speaker 7: containment policy in the region to a preemption policy in

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Speaker 7: the region, and Netyaho has been very, very decisive about

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Speaker 7: doing that, and I think he's got the Israeli people

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Speaker 7: behind him, so the Israelis can send the message here too.

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Speaker 7: I mean, in the past they've tried to do hands

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Speaker 7: off on this sort of thing because they felt more

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Speaker 7: vulnerable in the region. If he joins in, I think

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Speaker 7: it's a good way of sending the message. Look, we're

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Speaker 7: the hedge amount of the region and we're going to

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Speaker 7: act like it when our security is at stake. So

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Speaker 7: I think they ought to do it. I think Admiral

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Speaker 7: Montgomery was right go ahead and join in.

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Speaker 1: I was with a client back in my law practice

778
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Speaker 1: days in Nevada, big swinger, Jewish man, big sport of Israel.

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Speaker 1: When Israel did not respond to Saddam's scuds, and he

780
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I was in his office. He could

781
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Speaker 1: not believe that they were not responding. But of course

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Speaker 1: Secretary Baker and George H. W. Bush asked them not

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Speaker 1: to respond. I don't think Donald Trump's in the business

784
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Speaker 1: of asking people not to respond if they want to.

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Speaker 7: And I think President Trump adjusts better to changes in

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Speaker 7: a strategic in strategic positioning. In other words, in the past,

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Speaker 7: Israel has acted sometimes like they can't act, they can't

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Speaker 7: be a normal do what a normal nation would do

789
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Speaker 7: in a normal situation, Okay, which is to take advantage

790
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Speaker 7: of this to attack and degrade their chief aggressor. I

791
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Speaker 7: think the Israelis are done with that, and I think

792
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Speaker 7: Trump is fine with it. Trump is not burdened by

793
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Speaker 7: thirty or forty years of assumptions about the Middle East.

794
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Speaker 7: I mean, he's rethinking the region, He's rethought it, and

795
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Speaker 7: I just think, to look, anybody.

796
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Speaker 6: Else in Israel's position, with Israel's.

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Speaker 7: Power, would join us in this attack, and so I'd

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Speaker 7: like to see him do it now.

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Speaker 6: Again, there are a.

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Speaker 7: Whole lot of factors working that you and I don't

801
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Speaker 7: know about, So maybe they won't. But we're certainly going

802
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Speaker 7: to use their intel, particularly if we go after command

803
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Speaker 7: and control with the IRGC, They're going to tell us

804
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Speaker 7: where everybody is.

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Speaker 1: Would you expect any of the Golf Coordinating Council countries

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Speaker 1: to join in?

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Speaker 7: No, accepted defensively. When the Iranians respond and you, I

808
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Speaker 7: would reassure people, we're very good at this kind of

809
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Speaker 7: mission when we have time to build up, to plan,

810
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Speaker 7: and when the environment is basically noncompetitive. I mean, this

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Speaker 7: is not the South China Sea right where there are

812
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Speaker 7: thousands and thousands and thousands of anti ship cruise of

813
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Speaker 7: ballistic missiles along the coast of China. This is a

814
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Speaker 7: basically uncompetitive environment. We're good at this, and so I'm

815
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Speaker 7: not saying that we can't take any casualties, but I

816
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Speaker 7: feel pretty confident in our force protection package.

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Speaker 1: Jim, you and I are the same as here. I

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Speaker 1: think you can remember the build up to the nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one war, which kicked off I think on March

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Speaker 1: one or thereabouts nineteen ninety one, and the projections of

821
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Speaker 1: the dead on our team on our side was going

822
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Speaker 1: to be in the five digits and people were horrified

823
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Speaker 1: at that, but it was going to be five digits.

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Speaker 1: Men lost their lives, but it was in the hundreds.

825
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Speaker 1: It might not even been over one hundred. I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: In the Panama Canal invasion in nineteen ninety one, we

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Speaker 1: lost twenty three some soldiers were killed on Heartbreak Ridge

828
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Speaker 1: in Granada. And then when the two thousand and three

829
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Speaker 1: invasion happened, we thought chemical weapons and everything was going

830
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Speaker 1: to rain down on our trips and didn't happen. Do

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Speaker 1: you think the false premise of four wars with relatively

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Speaker 1: low casualties as Americans complacent about the risk our troops

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Speaker 1: face right now?

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Speaker 7: Well, we had a couple of wars after that, you

835
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Speaker 7: where unfortunately we took a lot of casualties, so relatively speaking,

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Speaker 7: compared to those other engagements, we took a lot of casualties.

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Speaker 6: So no, I think people are worried.

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Speaker 7: I think Donald Trump is uniquely reluctant to use American

839
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Speaker 7: military power in a sustained combat type situation. Now I

840
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Speaker 7: don't know what we'd call ten twelve, fourteen days all

841
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Speaker 7: that sustained. So this is a president I think who

842
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Speaker 7: uniquely and sometimes I worry about it. Sometimes I think

843
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Speaker 7: maybe he's too reluctant. So We're not going to go

844
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Speaker 7: in until we're ready, until we have in place what

845
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Speaker 7: we need to protect our people as much as they

846
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Speaker 7: can be protected. That's why I say I have a

847
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Speaker 7: fair amount of confidence. I mean, you never know with war,

848
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Speaker 7: and he's got to pull the trigger. It's just a

849
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Speaker 7: question now of when. And I've been saying this on

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Speaker 7: the show and on the pod now for the better

851
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Speaker 7: part of a month, so I should be careful, but

852
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Speaker 7: I've got to believe it's going to be soon.

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Speaker 1: The podcast that center Talon is referring to a Twain's

854
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Speaker 1: World on which he appears every week when Dwayne gets

855
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Speaker 1: together with the Senator, and it's great national security stuff.

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Speaker 1: What do you expect follows a sustained campaign, even if

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Speaker 1: it's two weeks more Mula's more IRGC or perhaps a

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Speaker 1: different military general. And the way that CC took power

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Speaker 1: back from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

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Speaker 7: Well, I heard one of I think it was Dan

861
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Speaker 7: Senor's Interviewees. You know, he has so many good ones.

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Speaker 7: I can't remember exactly which one, but he said, the

863
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Speaker 7: next leader of Iran is not going to be wearing

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Speaker 7: a turbine. He's going to be wearing a military cap

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Speaker 7: and I would really expect that when it happens. I

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Speaker 7: don't think we should necessarily expect that to happen as

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Speaker 7: a result of this campaign, though, because I don't think

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Speaker 7: the purpose of it is to achieve regime collapse. What

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Speaker 7: I would expect we'll do after that is really go

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Speaker 7: after their oil shipments, their shadow oil fleet. I think

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Speaker 7: that's a better alternative than carg Island, which you've talked about.

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Speaker 6: You because we don't want to cripple the nation.

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Speaker 7: We want to cripple the regime, and you can do

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Speaker 7: that by going after their oil ship and so, assuming

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Speaker 7: we have the assets to do it, we can do

876
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Speaker 7: to them what we're doing to Venezuela now and choke

877
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 7: off revenue further from the regime.

878
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that they are in touch with the

879
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: reality enough to know what happens where they do inflec

880
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: serious casualties on American troops And I mean, if they

881
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: got a destroyer, I think Donald Trump would go through

882
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: the roof.

883
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no, I don't think so.

884
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 7: You I think this is the collapse and they're going

885
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 7: to be very This is kind of like Hitler and

886
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 7: the Bunkers. What I think I mean, this is the

887
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 7: collapse of all their ideological and scatological pretensions, I think,

888
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 7: and they'll be desperate to do anything to prevent it.

889
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 7: And the question is, which the Israelis may know I

890
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 7: don't know, is are there regime factions that are drawing

891
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 7: back from that kind of a scorched earth policy, who

892
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 7: will act if necessary. I think they've been waiting for

893
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 7: the Supreme Leader to die, which makes sense. I mean,

894
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 7: that's the time for a transition to something new. So,

895
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 7: but are there forces that are prepared to say at

896
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 7: some point, no, you know what, We're going to hurry

897
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 7: that along. You know, we'll bring a pillow to his

898
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 7: bedside in the bunker and we'll get changed before that.

899
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 7: And I don't know. I don't know that anybody knows.

900
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 7: If anybody knew, it would be the Israelis.

901
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm watching his son.

902
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: His son is a master that fortune of many, many

903
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars outside of the country. And

904
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: that's not the action of a confident next in line

905
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: supreme leg is it.

906
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: No?

907
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 7: And I've got to believe that there are people close

908
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 7: to him who aren't quite as willing to die as

909
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 7: he may be. I mean, there's a limit to how

910
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 7: much you know the top leader is one thing or

911
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 7: the people immediately around him. But I've never thought that

912
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 7: that when you broad it out to the RGC generals

913
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 7: and the rest of it, that they're as willing, you know,

914
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 7: to meet their maker as the supreme leader is.

915
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 6: So if it.

916
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 7: Happens soon, if regime collapses, collapse happens soon, that'll be

917
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 7: what will cause it.

918
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 6: We will look for that move against.

919
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: It, and we will look for Center Talent to be

920
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: back next week. He's also a frequent guest on Dwayne World.

921
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how often Dwayne.

922
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: Are doing that.

923
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: He's thinking about me kindling the aftershow. Be careful, Jim,

924
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: he'll cut out the end of that on a daily basis.

925
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. Thank you Senator Talent for him

926
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: on at Jim Talent. It's really the best tex handle

927
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: out there at Jim Talent from the Reagan Instuit for

928
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: the Study of Peace through Stank State tuned Jim Garrity.

929
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: He is of course National are Youth Senior. Of course,

930
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: hosted the Three Martini Lunch. She's of course a contributor

931
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: to The Editors podcast by Nashal review and he's the

932
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: father of Robot Boys, and so I don't know if

933
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: he's smart, but his wife must be. The Robot boys

934
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: interest me a lot more than you, Jim. But someday

935
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: they'll come on and talk to me about what they're

936
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: up to. Have they been set back? Can they get

937
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: a robot to shovel the snow?

938
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 8: That has not done that?

939
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 9: But this has been you know, here in Fairfax County

940
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 9: where they are metaphorical snowflakes over literal snowflakes, we got

941
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 9: real snow and we were shoveling out.

942
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 8: Sunday in between the football games.

943
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 9: And there was you know, like in our driveway there

944
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 9: was still like a layer of ice on top of

945
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 9: everything else. So schools were close Monday, that was a guarantee.

946
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 9: Wednesday's a half day. Thursday and Friday are off because

947
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 9: it's the end of the quarter of the grading period,

948
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 9: so off Mountain Day schools canceled get Tuesday. Tuesday afternoon,

949
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 9: They're like, what are we doing. There's no way we're

950
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 9: sending the kids for half a day for the week.

951
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 9: You're off Wednesday too, So usually my son is like

952
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 9: thrill day, snow days, No wants to get into the

953
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 9: school to work on the rob robots line schedule. Yeah,

954
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 9: the first competitions are in like ed the February, so

955
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 9: you know, they get the assignment in January.

956
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 10: This year.

957
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 9: The robot's going to have to like take a ball

958
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 9: probably with the size like a volleyball, slightly smaller and

959
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 9: shoot it up into a basket and the question you

960
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 9: get points for how well your robot can do that.

961
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 9: It also has to go over a ramp. This is

962
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 9: the first robotics competition for anybody out there who's like,

963
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 9: what is this, you know, bizarre thing that my kids

964
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 9: get to get into and get really competitive about. So

965
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 9: they're into it, but they have to know the first

966
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 9: they got like one more month. They have the design,

967
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 9: they have the basics. They got the robot that can

968
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 9: roll around by remote control and stuff. It's got to

969
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 9: be autonomous for I think thirty seconds. This year they

970
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 9: increase that, so you you program in the software. Robot's

971
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 9: got to be able to do it by itself for

972
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 9: the first thirty seconds or else you're not scoring any

973
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 9: points for the first thirty seconds of like a two

974
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 9: minute thirty second competition period. So they got their work

975
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 9: cut out for him and couldn't go into.

976
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 8: Any day this week, which is making things a little

977
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 8: more complicated. It made really loudy.

978
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Statatics advisor came and opened one door and let the

979
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: robotics kids in.

980
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 9: Hugh, that is an intense topic of discussion. I'll just

981
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 9: put it there. And I don't want to get the

982
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 9: illustrious faculty advisor, who's a terrific guy.

983
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 8: I don't want to get.

984
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 9: Anybody in trouble, all right, So nobody starts snooping around

985
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 9: one particular at company wants high school.

986
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: Okay, goodenough, all right, Jim, let's get serious war, no war.

987
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 9: What do you think, Well, it certainly seems like we've

988
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 9: got more and more forces going into that region. I

989
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 9: had been frustrated that both on your program in early

990
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 9: January and then a little bit more than two weeks ago,

991
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 9: and Trump had gone on truth social encourage the Iranian

992
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 9: people to rise up.

993
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 8: He says, keep track of who the torturers are.

994
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 9: Help is on the way, Miga, and I assume that means,

995
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 9: you know, make a ran great again. And I was

996
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 9: very supportive of that is what I wanted to see

997
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 9: the president do. And then time went by and not

998
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 9: much has happened now. Some of this was getting the

999
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 9: Abraham Lincoln carrier group out to the Persian Gulf.

1000
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 11: Oh.

1001
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 9: By the way, I saw news that Iran, China, and

1002
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 9: Russia plan on doing joint naval exercises in that neighborhood

1003
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 9: in the coming days. Hugh, do you think the timing

1004
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 9: of that joint naval exercise is a coincidence?

1005
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: No?

1006
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: But I'm also not particularly worried about the Chinese and

1007
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: the Russian navies getting together. I'm afraid what they'll do

1008
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: is right into each other. They might hit is by accident.

1009
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: But if the.

1010
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: Ukrainians you know why the Ridian remember the Ukrainian sidney.

1011
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 8: You know why the Ranian navy has glass bottom boats?

1012
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 12: Right?

1013
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Operation Operation Praying Manage.

1014
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 8: Well, I was gonna say that way they can see

1015
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 8: the old Iranian navy.

1016
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: Okay, but I think they're something's going off here.

1017
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: I'm just on record. What do you think.

1018
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 9: I think the president it would look really bad if

1019
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 9: nothing happened.

1020
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: Now.

1021
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 9: I want to point out that we have a variety

1022
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 9: of ways to undermine the Iranian regime. Could be cyber,

1023
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 9: could be covert action. I think getting as many starlink

1024
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 9: links and other ways to get communications going on would

1025
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 9: be helpful. I think trying to jam the communications or

1026
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 9: disrupt the communications of the Iranian regime might be helpful

1027
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 9: to the people trying to throw up to overthrow the regime.

1028
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 9: So I'm hoping we're doing something already, and I'm hoping

1029
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 9: that there is more to come, because, as I'm sure

1030
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 9: your listeners know, Hugh, the estimates of the death tolls

1031
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 9: among the protesters. Some have it in the ten thousand range,

1032
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 9: some have it closer to twenty thousand, some of us

1033
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 9: as thirty thousand.

1034
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 8: That's like ten times nine to eleven, like.

1035
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: Like the figure that they think since Bobby Are in

1036
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: World War One, when the Nazi's wiped out thirty three

1037
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: thousand Jews in Ukraine in two days, it's the biggest

1038
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: two day massacre since then.

1039
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: Unthinkable.

1040
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: But Jim, I have talked I think pretty much every

1041
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: Iran expert inside the Beltway over the last two weeks

1042
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: since the President made his remarks on this show, and

1043
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: they all tell me that you cannot bomb.

1044
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: The IRGC out of power. They're too deeply dug in.

1045
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: All you can do is candaten create conditions of extreme

1046
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: opportunity for the street. If it takes that opportunity, they

1047
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: may be too shocked.

1048
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 9: What do you think, well, open I used open source

1049
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 9: intelligence shortly after the president's comments to look at which

1050
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 9: parts of the IRGC are most involved in doing things

1051
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 9: like putting down protesters, riot control, you know, that kind

1052
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 9: of stuff. And then I figured out again through open

1053
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 9: source intelligence, I don't have any spies working me or

1054
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 9: anything like.

1055
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 8: That where those facilities are located.

1056
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 9: So when I wrote about the president, like two weeks

1057
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 9: have gone by since the President said help is on

1058
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 9: the way, what's you know, What's what's the deal here?

1059
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: What's going on?

1060
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 9: Some people said, Jim, you don't You can't criticize the

1061
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 9: president without saying what he should do.

1062
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 8: Well, I dive everything.

1063
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 9: Short of the coordinates and the street addresses for these locations.

1064
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 5: And I kind of have this.

1065
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 9: Feeling that if the aspects of the rg I RGC

1066
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 9: that are most involved in buying the proto, if their

1067
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 9: barracks suddenly explode, that's not going to help morality.

1068
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 8: That's not going to help, you know.

1069
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 9: And I figure that would be a great shot in

1070
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 9: the arm for the protesters. Now, is it a legitimate

1071
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 9: concern about if the Americans helped, does the regime then say, ah,

1072
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 9: they're all the tools of the Americans, They're all the

1073
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 9: tools of the Israelis.

1074
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, but the regime is going to say that anyway,

1075
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 8: like the regime.

1076
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I take. There is no support

1077
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: for the regime inside of Iran.

1078
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: None.

1079
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1080
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 9: The other thing, and I know other guests in your

1081
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 9: program are likely to talk about this today. The main

1082
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 9: impetus behind these protests in this uprising is that the

1083
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 9: Iranian economy is a mess. The currency is becoming completely devalued.

1084
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 9: We think we got problems of inflation in this country,

1085
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 9: it's way way.

1086
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 8: Worse in Iran.

1087
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 6: Right, So even.

1088
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 9: Leff they can somehow kill a whole bunch of people,

1089
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 9: and even if they can somehow, you know, simp stamp

1090
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 9: down every Iranian who dares raise their voice, you're still

1091
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 9: stuck with the economic problems and this regime is not

1092
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 9: going to be able to fix that. It would require

1093
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 9: wholesale changes in all of their policies, and they'd have

1094
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 9: to deal with corruption, and they'd have to deal with

1095
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Speaker 9: all the bad load.

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Speaker 8: Like, there's really no way for them to get out

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Speaker 8: of this.

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Speaker 9: So one way or another, the Iranian regime can't continue

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Speaker 9: the way it is. The question is do they hang

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Speaker 9: on by their fingernails for as long as possible after

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Speaker 9: you know, a blood bath of massacring protests, or do

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Speaker 9: we give them a little shove and somebody else gets

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Speaker 9: to run the show and we hope that they have

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Speaker 9: a you know where they're more amenable to our long

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Speaker 9: term vision as you know something and with the long

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Speaker 9: term prospect of the Iranian people.

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Speaker 1: I had rear Admiral Mark Montgomery on yesterday. He actually

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Speaker 1: run a strike group and he ran through he's retired.

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Speaker 1: He ran through the amount of firepower we have and

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Speaker 1: the number of defensive forces we put in there. But

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Speaker 1: he also noted they're not a regime for walking away

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Speaker 1: if it begins this time, it's not just a discreet

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Speaker 1: insular target that the nuclear facilities at portoh where it's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of targets. Does Trump risk hemorrhaging support in

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Speaker 1: the United States by getting into well, let's even say,

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Speaker 1: half of a Yugoslavian campaign that Bill Clinton ran, or

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Speaker 1: a third of the Libyan campaign that Barack Obama ran.

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Speaker 9: Completely fair concerns And one of the things I would

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Speaker 9: note is that the Ayatola theoretically could fly off to Moscow.

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Speaker 9: There are all these reports they've been flying gold bars

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Speaker 9: to Moscow and bringing in weapons back on the flights

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Speaker 9: and stuff like that. If you are the first of all,

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Speaker 9: if you're the Ranian military, you know, maybe some of

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Speaker 9: these of their units are going out and oppressing the people.

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Speaker 9: There are probably some Marianian military folks like I don't

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Speaker 9: want to shoot my fellow countrymen. I don't want to

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Speaker 9: shoot people who are protesting because they can't afford food

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Speaker 9: and their.

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Speaker 8: Money has become devalued.

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Speaker 9: And if the United States starts bombing you know, military

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Speaker 9: targets that are not associated with hitting the civilians, you know,

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Speaker 9: if they start hitting like naval you know units or

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Speaker 9: something like that, I could see the.

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Speaker 8: Iranians saying, what are you doing, America?

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Speaker 9: Why are you shooting you know, my brother who's defending

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Speaker 9: our country. Idea, So you got your target selection matters

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Speaker 9: a lot. I have no idea about how difficult this

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Speaker 9: would be, but I do figure if you could do

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Speaker 9: anything akin to a decapitation strike, if you could take

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Speaker 9: out the iotolf, you could take out the top commanders,

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Speaker 9: then there'd be a question for the Iranian military.

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00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 8: Whose side do you want to be on?

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Speaker 9: And do you want to get into a fight with

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Speaker 9: the American Americans or do you want to say, you know.

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Speaker 8: What, new group of people in charge, we're going to try.

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Speaker 8: It's a new, fresh, new day. Let's leave all this

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Speaker 8: best flit behind us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we can pray for that. Jim Garrity, good luck,

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Speaker 2: get into the school. Remember it's illegal.

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Speaker 1: To break and enter even a robotic competition. Follow Jim

1151
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Speaker 1: on Acts of Jim Garrity, Read him in the Washington Post,

1152
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Speaker 1: Read the Morning Jolt at Nash Review, and come right.

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Speaker 2: Back to the Qquit Show on the Salem News Channel.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm here here with Noah Rothman, Senior editor way at

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Speaker 1: National Review. No I'm from northeastern Ohio, where tonight it's

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Speaker 1: going to be minus five degrees in Ashtabula, minus eleven

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Speaker 1: degrees in my hometown of Warren, and minus twelve degrees

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Speaker 1: in Youngstown.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea why my wife won't move

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Speaker 2: to Ohio?

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Speaker 13: I hazard of guess it is so cold you and

1163
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 13: it has been so cold for so long. There's this

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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 13: little quirk in my bathroom shower where we have a

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 13: rain headed shower head that just doesn't work under twenty degrees.

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Speaker 13: I don't remember the last time that thing has worked

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Speaker 13: it is. It's driving me quite batty.

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Speaker 1: Well, I New Jersey with getting in the short end

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Speaker 1: of the stick as well. But if you're marry a

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Speaker 1: California girl, those are unacceptable numbers.

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Speaker 2: No, let's get serious and hurry to talk a lot.

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Speaker 2: Do you expect a war with they run?

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Speaker 14: I expect strikes on a run. I don't know what

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Speaker 14: the scale of those strikes are going to be.

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Speaker 13: I think the president set himself up to the degree

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Speaker 13: that he has to follow through with his red line.

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Speaker 13: It has been flagrantly violated, and the President himself has

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Speaker 13: said that this was a terrible decision for Barack Obama

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Speaker 13: not to follow up on his own self set line.

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Speaker 13: I think there has to be strikes. I hope they're

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Speaker 13: not symbolic. They very well could be. There's a variety

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Speaker 13: of scenarios that we could be seeing. I'm not sure

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Speaker 13: if the president wants to see a strike so broad

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Speaker 13: and so big that it could actually collapse the regime,

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Speaker 13: although I think that's probably desirable, but it could be

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Speaker 13: calibrated in a way so as to avoid triggering an

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Speaker 13: Iranian response that looks like the response that we could

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Speaker 13: expect if it was an existential threat to the regime,

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Speaker 13: which could take many forms, the most scary of which

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Speaker 13: would be a real concert effort to sink a US warship.

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Speaker 13: That would take a lot of drones, a lot of

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Speaker 13: one way attack drones, missiles, boats armed with suicide attackers.

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Speaker 13: It would be a concentrated attack in order to achieve

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Speaker 13: something real, not just a demonstrative display like we saw

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Speaker 13: in the wake of the Operation Midnight Hammer where they

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Speaker 13: targeted the base in Qatar. It would be something very different,

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Speaker 13: But that is my nightmare scenario, not just loosing all

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Speaker 13: the missiles and seeing where they go and hopefully they

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Speaker 13: have some kind of an effect in a message, something

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Speaker 13: really designed to demonstrate that the US is vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: And this is how you know the British Navy when

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Speaker 1: they invaded successfully the Falklands to take them back from

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Speaker 1: the Argentinians many many years ago, Thatcher senate the Argentinians

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Speaker 1: sunk a British ship, to the great shock of the

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Speaker 1: Imperial Royal Navy that an exo set missile could do that.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's no guarantee, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of basses. I asked Admiral Mark Montgomery yesterday retired were

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Speaker 1: admiral from the United States Navy.

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Speaker 2: He thinks the greater threat are to our base anywhere.

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Speaker 1: With that GPS, they're not so good at the stuff

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Speaker 1: that moves that, they're pretty good at finding the bases.

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Speaker 13: Noah, Yeah, And this would be for the regime to

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Speaker 13: take on that kind of an operation. It would be

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Speaker 13: an all or nothing sort of situation. That's that's when

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Speaker 13: the claresy believes that the game is really up. I

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Speaker 13: heard my colleague gim on your last segment say that

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Speaker 13: there's the possibility that the Iranian Clarity could flee to Moscow.

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Speaker 13: I think that's pretty remote, just based on their own

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Speaker 13: mythology with the Shah that fled a great shaw that

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Speaker 13: slaughtered people in the streets, and we're not like that.

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Speaker 13: We don't do that, even though they obviously are doing

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Speaker 13: precisely that. So there's something of an element to this

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Speaker 13: regime from the founding that maintains that this is around,

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Speaker 13: we are around, we die with Iran or we live

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Speaker 13: with Iron.

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Speaker 14: So I don't expect them to flee. I expect them

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Speaker 14: to fight.

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Speaker 13: No, the older generators also don't want to face the

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Speaker 13: rests of their own people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the younger generation listens to Richard Dawkins. The older

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Speaker 1: generation thought the iron I rock war for ten years

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Speaker 1: and walk through minefields. So they're not going anywhere. My

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Speaker 1: question is in terms of what Trump said. But the

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Speaker 1: President said on True Social, then on My show, then

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Speaker 1: to Sean Hannity, then to CBS News Tony ducoppol, then

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Speaker 1: on True Social again. I think he said eight times

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Speaker 1: that a price will be paid if they harm the demonstrator.

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Speaker 1: He has to do it, but it's just a question

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Speaker 1: of I don't think he has to do it until

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Speaker 1: we're as safe as we can be, and I accept

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Speaker 1: that as an excuse. We're still flying fads in How

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Speaker 1: long does he have until he is rightly subject to

1243
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: criticism for erasing a red line like Obama did.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: That's a good question.

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Speaker 13: It's already too late for me, and I suspect that

1247
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Speaker 13: it was a material deficit. We talked about this at

1248
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Speaker 13: the time that our assets were tied up in the

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Speaker 13: campaign in Venezuela and we did not have the assets

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Speaker 13: in place to make good on this historic opportunity. I

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Speaker 13: think that is a real missed opportunity to Poste already

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Speaker 13: will not look at kindly, but he doesn't have much

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Speaker 13: longer to wait. I think the protests, we don't have

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 13: a lot of great information coming out of around, but

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Speaker 13: I think the protests have already relatively fizzled out, and

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Speaker 13: we're starting to talk ourselves into the notion that the

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Speaker 13: best case scenario would be a military dictatorship to replace

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Speaker 13: the regime ousting. I imagine the IRGC and the Koods forces,

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Speaker 13: the religious police, the religious character of the regime would

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Speaker 13: be replaced with something much more like the regime now

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Speaker 13: under cc Or Mobarik in Egypt, something very military in

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Speaker 13: nature and very undemocratic. I think we shouldn't be talking

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Speaker 13: ourselves into that as though that's the best case option

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Speaker 13: for us. Right now, we have The violence that we

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Speaker 13: saw on the street was a result of an outpouring

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Speaker 13: of I would call it democratic enthusiasm. I don't think

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Speaker 13: I'm shy about saying that that was a liberal movement

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Speaker 13: at its root, and it's something that I.

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Speaker 1: Have cream side you pour on in the last hour,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to ask him because he knows you're

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Speaker 1: on at least as well as anyone inside the belt

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Speaker 1: Way without a classified access to information. What is the

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Speaker 1: ceiling for I run? I think it's really high. I

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Speaker 1: think it is very much. It's a first world country.

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Speaker 1: The Shaw had it on the White Revolution path and

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Speaker 1: it's just gone backwards for forty seven years. I think

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Speaker 1: it can reclaim growth pretty quickly. They've got everything there.

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Speaker 14: I think it can too.

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Speaker 13: There's a lot of X factors there, including the repression

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Speaker 13: of Iranian minorities.

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Speaker 14: Over the course of the last fifty years.

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Speaker 13: How would the Azeris feel, the Kurds, the Blukes, the

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Speaker 13: marsh Arabs, how would they feel about a military dictatorship?

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Speaker 13: Would they simply roll over for it? Or would they

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Speaker 13: have to be suppressed and pacified?

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Speaker 2: Now, let me ask that out.

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Speaker 1: The case learning after the break up, play my appearance

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Speaker 1: on America Reports this Minke, which was right after America's newsroom,

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Speaker 1: right after home and got done speaking, and I began

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Speaker 1: by saying that was a masterful class in communication.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch him?

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Speaker 14: I didn't watch it.

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Speaker 13: I read transcript or elements of the transcript, and so

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Speaker 13: I can't comment on it. I can't comment on a

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Speaker 13: dramaturgy of it as a theater critic, but I can

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Speaker 13: say that the substance of the remarks were powerful, impressive,

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Speaker 13: and exactly what the moment called for.

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Speaker 14: Again, I've said this couple of times.

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Speaker 13: I don't know if I said it on your show,

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Speaker 13: But a tactical retreat, which is what they're engineering here,

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Speaker 13: is not the abandonment of the campaign. It is the

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Speaker 13: prosecution of the campaign on more auspicious terms and better circumstances.

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Speaker 14: And that's I think with this administration.

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Speaker 13: The better part of prudence compelled this administration to do that,

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Speaker 13: and I'm very glad that they took that opportunity. That

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Speaker 13: the temperature in this country is quite high right now.

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Speaker 13: And even though it looks like a retreat, indeed the

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Speaker 13: second in as many weeks if you count the off

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Speaker 13: ramp that the President took in Greenland, but that is

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Speaker 13: a prudent leadership, commendable leadership, and a d escalation of

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Speaker 13: the conflict that this administration sought and waged and secured

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Speaker 13: many success in the prosecution of it and de escolating

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Speaker 13: is important.

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Speaker 1: His dad is a cop, his grandfather is a cop.

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Speaker 1: He's been in law enforcement for forty years. He did

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Speaker 1: not raise his voice. Cops know they do not want

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Speaker 1: to be involved in officer shooting. Most importantly, he didn't

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Speaker 1: raise his voice. He spoke calmly throughout. I wish everyone

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Speaker 1: in America would learn. You don't persuade anyone by shouting.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that message is going to get

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Speaker 1: across to anybody?

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Speaker 13: Well, he does get across to almost everybody who's not

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Speaker 13: engaged in political combat on a daily basis. I mean,

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Speaker 13: to those of us who are involved in this business,

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Speaker 13: we're the weird ones. We're the ones who think that,

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Speaker 13: you know, domestic politics is an existential fight for the

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Speaker 13: very soul of the nation. Most of the country doesn't

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Speaker 13: think that way, and so they wouldn't behave that way

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Speaker 13: in a very high.

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Speaker 14: Strung and theatrical manner.

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Speaker 13: But those of us who would do this do politics

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Speaker 13: as entertainment sometimes lapse into that, and that can find

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Speaker 13: its way into the political cast. It's good to see

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Speaker 13: that permanent bureaucrats like Tom Holman or get at his job,

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Speaker 13: just reject that form of theaters as say.

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Speaker 1: Craft, may it spread Oh Noah, no c Rothman read

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Speaker 1: him in the National Room and listen to him on

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Speaker 1: the Editors and come right back to the Hugh Hewit Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm join Maleana Johnson on the Hugh

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Speaker 1: Hewitt Show. She's the editor in chief of the Washington

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Speaker 1: Free Beacon, a contributor to Commentary podcast. He is also

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Speaker 1: a native of the Twin Cities. Eleana, I want to

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Speaker 1: start with the Twin Cities. I haven't heard the Commentary podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was in the dentist chair for two days and

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Speaker 1: not dancing around listening to you and the fellows and

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Speaker 1: Christine over at Commentary. What do you think of Tom

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Speaker 1: Homan's remarks this morning and of the situation in the

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Speaker 1: Twin Cities?

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Speaker 12: Now, well, you, I just listened to your remarks on

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Speaker 12: the Fox program and I totally agree with you. I

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Speaker 12: thought he gave an absolutely lucid presentation. And I will say,

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Speaker 12: as a reporter, I love somebody who goes up to

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Speaker 12: the microphone and says I was given talking points, but

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to use them. So that that was fantastic.

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Speaker 12: And the one thing I thought he did, I know

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Speaker 12: you said you appreciated one of his remarks in particular,

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Speaker 12: but something else caught my I you liked his remark

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Speaker 12: about no comment on the video. I appreciated something else,

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Speaker 12: which was his explanation very clearly that minimal cooperation from

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Speaker 12: local law enforcement will allow that will allow ICE to

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Speaker 12: draw down quickly and why? And he explained that for ICE,

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Speaker 12: picking up a criminal illegal immigrant from a jail requires

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Speaker 12: much less manpower than doing an operation to pick up

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Speaker 12: a criminal off the streets or in their home, which

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Speaker 12: requires a big team plus a team to follow to

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Speaker 12: deal with all of the rioters whose main goal has

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Speaker 12: been not peaceful protests, but to interfere and prevent the

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Speaker 12: administration of federal law enforcement. And I thought that was

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Speaker 12: really important.

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Speaker 1: It was And again I heard that too, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: point point point Elianna, do you think Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: a unique way of communicating? But not many people, if

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Speaker 1: anyone else, can do it that way, because you have

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Speaker 1: to be a celebrity, you have to have a bit

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Speaker 1: of the developer in you. You've got to have ten

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Speaker 1: years of reality television training to communicate with that range.

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Speaker 1: I think the Homan approach, call them quiet collected, ought

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Speaker 1: to be passed around the cabinet table and people ought

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Speaker 1: to be told to study.

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Speaker 2: It's Marco Rubio's way. It's the way of Doug Bergham.

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Speaker 1: There are only a few people who want to hit

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Speaker 1: ranges that are outside of their vocal expertise.

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Speaker 12: There are a number of good communicators I think that

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Speaker 12: the President has on hand for this mission, which is

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Speaker 12: a serious one. In Minnesota. Tom Homan, whose background for

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Speaker 12: years in law enforcement, his sober, mean and deep knowledge

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Speaker 12: both of the mission and of the law, I think

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Speaker 12: was perfectly suited to Minnesota, as was Marco Rubio's yesterday

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Speaker 12: in the Senate, which was a masterclass in diplomatic.

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Speaker 14: In diplomacy and.

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Speaker 5: Of back and forth.

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Speaker 12: And they had different styles, you know, rub Rubio was

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Speaker 12: funny and charming, and I wouldn't say home and was

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Speaker 12: either of those things. But they were both wonderful in

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Speaker 12: their respective venues.

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Speaker 1: Here's a third approach from today's cabinet meeting. It's Vice

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Speaker 1: President vance cut number sixteen for a Leanna Johnson.

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Speaker 6: I just want to thank.

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Speaker 15: Everybody for being my cabinet has been amazing. I like

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Speaker 15: this much better than going around for three hours. We'll

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Speaker 15: pick on other ones. Pam, you're doing great. We're all

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Speaker 15: doing great.

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Speaker 4: JD.

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Speaker 15: You'd like to say something you can would you like

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Speaker 15: your Really, he is, after all, the vice president, so.

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Speaker 6: I'm here for the free coffee.

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Speaker 1: I just say it's an honorous server with this group,

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Speaker 1: and that understatement Eliana is also a good trick for people,

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Speaker 1: don't you think.

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Speaker 12: Well, particularly when you're sitting next to or across from

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Speaker 12: the President and he's in the room with you. I

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Speaker 12: think Vance really showed his range and his utility on

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Speaker 12: the campaign trail where he came out of the gate

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Speaker 12: and had a rough go of things. But he's really

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Speaker 12: been fantastic doing battle with the media, particularly on these

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Speaker 12: Sunday shows, and he really shines going back and forth

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Speaker 12: with the mainstream press and has showed he's a real

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Speaker 12: asset to this administration where when he does a Sunday show,

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Speaker 12: the headlines that come out of it, particularly with Margaret

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Speaker 12: Brennan on CBS News, are of the Vice President pressing

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Speaker 12: the administration's case and owning the respective hosts, and I

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Speaker 12: think the President came to value that both on the

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Speaker 12: campaign trail and in the administration.

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Speaker 1: I've called it with John Wick of the Sunday shows,

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Speaker 1: i think he is the John Wick of the Sunday shows.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's go to war or no war? Eleana Johnson,

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Speaker 2: What do you think you know?

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Speaker 4: Hugh.

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Speaker 12: It's funny we talked about this a week ago. I

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Speaker 12: was sort of the outlier on the commentary podcast saying

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Speaker 12: that I thought the window for action was still open,

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Speaker 12: and that's where I still am. I do believe the

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Speaker 12: President will act. None of us know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 12: I could be wrong, but with the assets in the

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Speaker 12: region and Trump renewing his threats, he's laid out his

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Speaker 12: conditions for a deal. They are abandoned the nuclear program,

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Speaker 12: limit ballistic missile capacity, which remains formidable for this regime

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Speaker 12: even though it was weakened by the Twelve Day War

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01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 12: in June. Israel and the US really did not touch

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Speaker 12: ballistic missile capacity, and stop the funding of terror proxies.

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Speaker 12: It seems to me that those are conditions that the

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Speaker 12: Iranian regime will not agree to, and so I think

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Speaker 12: we're going to see action because.

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Speaker 1: Adam Crado figured out what the war plan is yet.

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01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: Because Adam usually has the scoops over at the Washington

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: Free Beacon.

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Speaker 12: I wish trust we'd have that on the front page

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Speaker 12: if we knew it.

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Speaker 1: He is a remarkable reporter. I don't know how long

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: he's been at the Beacon, but he gets scoopy. He

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: can know a lot of your people.

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Speaker 12: He's a twelve year og and I would point your

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 12: folks to his wonderful report yesterday morning that well, the

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Speaker 12: PA president claimed to have suspended pay for slave programs,

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 12: they were merely shifted into another organization and continued. All

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Speaker 12: the while a confidential, non public State Department report to

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Speaker 12: Congress showed, you know, once a terrorist, always a terrorist.

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Speaker 1: I also want to compliment the free Beacon. I hate

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Speaker 1: affirmative action. It's unconstitutional to use race to award and

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Speaker 1: gender to award benefits or to inflct punishments. Absolutely and constitutional.

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Speaker 1: You guys stay on that is that like a beat

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Speaker 1: at the Beacon.

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Speaker 12: Our star superstar reporter, and we have several of them,

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Speaker 12: but our reporter Aaron Sabarium is on that, as are

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Speaker 12: a few others. And I would note that the Justice

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Speaker 12: Department weighed in in a case on UCLA that was

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Speaker 12: brought by Due Noo Harm against UCLA Medical School, and

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Speaker 12: the Justice Department weighed in on do No Harm's behalf

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 12: just yesterday. So we're seeing concrete action from this administration

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Speaker 12: on this matter. And The source of it is impactful reporting.

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Speaker 1: Last year, a former member of the UCLA Board of

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Speaker 1: Advisors told me that two years ago, do you how

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Speaker 1: many Jews were admitted to UCLA Medical School?

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Speaker 2: Two years ago?

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Speaker 1: One one one Jewish doctor at the UCLA Medical School

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Speaker 1: class and two years ago? I cannot believe it.

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Speaker 2: Elianna, Good to see you as always.

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Speaker 1: Follow Eleiana on exit Eleana why Johnson, Read the free

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Speaker 1: Bacon at freebeacon dot com and come right back.

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Speaker 1: I was laughing, especially at the fact that the winter

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Speaker 10: Yes, that is correct.

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Speaker 11: You know, we get into this hoarding mentality when, especially

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 11: in the Washington d See area, you hear a storm's

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01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 11: coming and then you know, everybody treats the local supermarket

1529
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 11: like it's the Soviet Union and all the you know,

1530
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 11: shelves are suddenly bare. And then you're suddenly eating three

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 11: meals a day plus in between snacks because you feel

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01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 11: like you have to. As if again, like I mentioned

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01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 11: on the show, it's like you're living at the Overlook

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 11: Hotel in the shining Yes. Again, it's a couple of days.

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01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 11: It's not the end of the world. I eat less

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 11: when the weather's.

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Speaker 1: Nicer, Vic tell me if I asked Mary Catherine, yesha,

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01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: and she said d C was leading Virginia in the

1539
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: Disaster Olympics. Because snowstorms are snowstorms for about two days.

1540
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: Then they become failures of government or success stories for government.

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 10: Which is it in d C?

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: And Maryland?

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 11: H yeah, well for DC definitely. We're talking about again

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01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 11: the nation's capital. People are coming into the city as

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01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 11: we speak. They're flying in, they're taking the trains. I

1546
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 11: had to meet with a friend of mine, Tunkuverdarjian of

1547
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 11: the Wall Street Journal, and he had to hop around.

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01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 11: He said it was very pair in Washington's capital. He

1549
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 11: thought that was a little bit unnerving and disturbing. I said,

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01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 11: that's come to be expected.

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01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 10: So it is a mess. And Muriel Bowser, the mayor,

1552
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 10: is blaming.

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 11: The situation on the unusual circumstance of sleet and snow,

1554
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 11: which she claims has never happened before.

1555
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 10: But everybody, including.

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01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 11: Our friend Tim Carney, has been saying for a long time,

1557
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 11: get out there, get the shovels out, get the trucks

1558
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 11: out while it's still soft snow, before the sleet hardens

1559
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 11: and you have these giant sheets of ice rock. Of

1560
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 11: course they didn't do that, and now we have the

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 11: mess where we have literally one lane going in and

1562
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 11: out of some of these main thoroughfares. I'm here in Arlington, Virginia,

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01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 11: and honestly, it's not that much better. The road to

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01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 11: get over to key Bridge is one lane. Normally it's four.

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01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 10: That's a bit of a mess, and I don't know

1566
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 10: when they're going to change it.

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01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: Back in nineteen long ago and far away nineteen eighty

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 1: four and the fetching Missish and I had an apartment

1569
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: in the Envoy at the corner of California and Connecticut,

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01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: and for to go from there to Vienna, Virginia is

1571
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: a straight shot out the sixty six about fifteen twenty minutes.

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01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: Took us seven hours to make that trip because of

1573
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: sleet and ice. That was unexpected. It wasn't forecast. Why

1574
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: people aren't ready with sand I mean Ohio right now

1575
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: is tonight my hometown will be minus eleven degrees.

1576
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 2: And they know how to deal with that in Ohio.

1577
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: Muriel Bowser blaming someone who I'm shocked shock that the

1578
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: government official didn't stand up and say I failed to prepare.

1579
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 11: Well, I'm actually shocked that she even bothered to sort

1580
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 11: of give an excuse, because you know.

1581
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 10: She's on her way out. She's not running for reelection.

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01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 11: I made a comparison the other day on getting hammer

1583
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 11: to Marion barry be California, you know, during the Super

1584
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 11: Bowl and saying hey, I called during halftime, you know.

1585
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 10: And they always make sure the mayor's street gets plowed.

1586
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 10: But that's about it. And so I am shocked about that.

1587
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 11: And of course this is a big test, for the

1588
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 11: first of any big tests for Abigail Spanberger in Virginia,

1589
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 11: and I honestly don't think she's doing a great job

1590
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 11: at least when it comes to the snow cleanup, let

1591
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 11: alone the taxes.

1592
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back to the getting hammered

1593
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: portion of the discussion. I and twice in my long life,

1594
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: twice have I been approached by someone yelling at me

1595
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: in a public if we get the boo boo boo

1596
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: from Princess Bride, Because apparently someone did the boo boo

1597
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: booed at getting hammered Mary Katherine Ham and she marched

1598
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: right over there and talked to the individual. I've been

1599
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: accosted twice, but I was so shocked that I neither

1600
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: got mad or I just kind of that's it.

1601
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: So bit has it ever happened to you?

1602
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 11: No, I'm trying to think about this, and I've been

1603
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 11: I've done a lot of you know, speaking gigs over

1604
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 11: many years. I've been in this business now for what

1605
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 11: thirty years now, You and I've dealt with hostile audiences.

1606
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 11: But that was sort of anticipated, especially during the Iraq War,

1607
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 11: and so I expected hostile questions at the time when

1608
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 11: I was at the weekly Standard. But walking into a

1609
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 11: place and getting booed, no, not for not for the

1610
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 11: circumstances that that Mary Catherine found herself in. But of

1611
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 11: course being Mary Catherine, she you know, she likes a

1612
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 11: good conflict. And you sort of stun your opponent when

1613
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 11: you beat them to the punch. And this person obviously

1614
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 11: had to take a step back and realize that, you know,

1615
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 11: maybe they were getting a little carried away.

1616
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: You know, have you ever been to Aspen? No, I

1617
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: have not been to ask The airport's not very big.

1618
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: You have to fly little airplanes in there, and it's

1619
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: kind of a quick descent. I got off the plane

1620
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: and Aspen and a younger fella, probably thirty at the time,

1621
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: got up in my face and me and right in

1622
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: my girl, and you're kind or not wanted here? And

1623
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: I thought that middle aged white men can't come to Aspen,

1624
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 1: right which kind of which kind is? Like, I like

1625
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: the most of all peanut butter and jelly guy in America.

1626
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: What do you mean we can't come here that's like

1627
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: half the country.

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01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, no, that would be very disturbing. I'm sorry

1629
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 10: you had to deal with Oh it was fine.

1630
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1631
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: Now tell me what you thought of Tom Homan this morning.

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: That could not be on getting hammered yesterday because it

1633
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:12,879
Speaker 1: was yesterday.

1634
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 10: That's right.

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 11: Again, we talked about the ice situation yesterday before we

1636
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 11: knew that Homan was coming in and he was going

1637
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 11: to replace Paveno in this situation to sort of calm

1638
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 11: things down.

1639
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 10: And I really do think he did.

1640
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 4: So.

1641
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 11: He had an eight am press conference bright in early

1642
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 11: our time on the East coast.

1643
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 10: And look what he wanted to do is he spoke

1644
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 10: to the authorities.

1645
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 11: He spoke to the you know, Minneapolis politicians who matter,

1646
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 11: and he wanted to have a reset because let's let's

1647
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 11: stop for everybody's sake and ask ourselves, why is ice

1648
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 11: here in Minnesota or in any state, what it is

1649
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 11: exactly that they're doing, and why did the situation become

1650
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 11: become so dangerous? And I think he did a very

1651
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 11: good job about explaining what the role of ICE is.

1652
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 11: The people they're apprehending, the number of arrests, the murder

1653
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 11: rate is down in this country, all these things. Again,

1654
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 11: life would be so much easier if they were able,

1655
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 11: If ICE was just able to retrieve illegals who do

1656
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 11: a criminal wrongdoing in the jails.

1657
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 10: I give you thousands of agents.

1658
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 2: Well and quick cut number five from Tom Hummon this morning.

1659
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 16: So target enforcement operations wave, We've always done it. I

1660
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 16: think we got a wait for a little bit, and

1661
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 16: we're going want to make sure we do target enforcement operations.

1662
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 16: And I look at I will say it again. You

1663
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 16: know we are not surrendering our mission at all.

1664
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 10: Do you believe him?

1665
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: Madis Yeah?

1666
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 10: I think so. I mean, you know, Trump very much

1667
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 10: campaigned on this. Holman is a very serious, sober guy.

1668
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 11: They can if they can reduce the presence of ICE

1669
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 11: agents on the street, than fine. But in terms of

1670
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 11: getting very dangerous illegal criminals off the streets, that's something

1671
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 11: that they are going to continue to do.

1672
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 10: Great. I'd like to see that continue.

1673
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 11: Obviously, the big question is Jacob Fry talking both sides

1674
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 11: out of his mouth, because on the one hand, behind

1675
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 11: the scenes, I mean he spoke to President Trump and

1676
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 11: he spoke to Homan. Uh and there seems to be

1677
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 11: some level of understanding about what ICE needs to do.

1678
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 10: And again, what do they have in common here?

1679
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,799
Speaker 11: Both sides they say they want they want the community

1680
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 11: to be safer, But obviously Jacob Brian tim Mots can

1681
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 11: do a lot more to make it safer by helping

1682
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 11: Tom Homan and.

1683
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: Ice, and he got Keith Ellis and the Attorney General

1684
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 1: is not very sharp on the law at least going

1685
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: to help I get the detainers that are.

1686
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: Their release from prison.

1687
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Victreno Madison X's also the co hosts of there Getting

1688
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Hammered podcast.

1689
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: But there's wonderful that for the Denner's chair and anywhere

1690
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: you go. Thank you, Vitt.

1691
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 8: I'll be right back in