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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Shammer, and this is Josh Shammer Show. Well

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Speaker 1: wish he might fellow use a happy passover, wishing our

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Speaker 1: Christian friends well, of course a blessed Holy Week. As

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Speaker 1: we gear up towards Good Friday and this Easter Sunday weekend,

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Speaker 1: no shortage of things happening in the news before we

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Speaker 1: take some time off for the holidays. There is the

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Speaker 1: Artemis space launch. What is the symbolism of America going

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Speaker 1: back to the moon. There is the continued debate over

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Speaker 1: Operation Epic Firey. Donald Trump addressing the nation today as

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Speaker 1: to what is happening in the Middle East. We will

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Speaker 1: assess what is likely to be the outcome of this

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Speaker 1: speech and the fallout of that speech over the next

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Speaker 1: few news cycles heading into this holiday weekend into next week.

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods now admitting that he has a problem and

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Speaker 1: will seek treatment. We will revisit that much later in

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Speaker 1: the show, but for now we are going to open

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Speaker 1: with this the big topic of the day, which the

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Speaker 1: theme of today's show is a massive, massive arguments early

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Speaker 1: today at the United States Supreme Court. I listened to

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Speaker 1: much of this or argument, so you did not have to.

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Speaker 1: This is an argument that is styled as Trump versus Barbara.

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Speaker 1: I've been tracking it since it's very early days in

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Speaker 1: Federal disrect Court. It is a challenge to the constitutionality

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Speaker 1: of one of Donald Trump's most high profile, indeed contentious,

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Speaker 1: Day one executive orders, mainly his executive order attempting to

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Speaker 1: eliminate automatic constitutionally secured birthright citizenship for the children of

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Speaker 1: legal aliens and the children of those who are only

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Speaker 1: here on a temporary legal basis. In other words, those

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Speaker 1: who are, to use the legal nomenclature are so journals,

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Speaker 1: not those who are here on a green card or

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Speaker 1: on a path to print residence, those who are on

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Speaker 1: a Torus visa or something much of much lesser time

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Speaker 1: duration such as that. Now, I've been fascinated by this

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Speaker 1: issue for a very very long time, so I want

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Speaker 1: to start by just laying out some of the legal

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Speaker 1: backgrounds of this issue, and I will give you my

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Speaker 1: own take on this issue, and to not to bury

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Speaker 1: the lead, I think Donald Trump is emphatically correct actually

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Speaker 1: in this which is a minority opinion, or the historically

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Speaker 1: has been a minority opinion, not just in legal world

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Speaker 1: more generally, but even within originalists right of center legal worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is a minority opinion. I happen to think that

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Speaker 1: it is genuinely correct. I've been steying this issue since

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Speaker 1: my earliest days of law school, have been arguing against

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Speaker 1: many classmates, frankly, for a very long time. I want

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Speaker 1: to walk you through the actual arguments. Then we'll get

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Speaker 1: back to today's oral argument at the Supreme Court. I will

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Speaker 1: unpack some of that for you, talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the policy issues, and we will go from now. So

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Speaker 1: we start, as does any legal argument, we start with

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Speaker 1: the text of the actual clause. This debate hinges upon,

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Speaker 1: among other sources, the actual text of the Fourteenth Amendment itself.

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Speaker 1: The forty Amendment was ratified in eighteen sixty eight. It

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Speaker 1: was ratified three years after the surrender of General Lead

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Speaker 1: to General Grant at Aththmatics Courthouse in Virginia. And the

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Speaker 1: intent above all of the Fourteenth Amendment was twofold.

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Speaker 1: It was to make sure that blacks were treated the

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Speaker 1: exact same as White's period, full stop, end of story.

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Speaker 1: And two, the goal was to constitutionalize was to constitutionalize

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Speaker 1: the statute that was passed by Congress two years prior.

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Speaker 1: These civil rights activating sixty six, a beneficial peace of

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Speaker 1: legislation that attempted to secure rights for freedmen for freed blacks,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately met a lot of constitucial challenges. They were

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Speaker 1: trying to constitutionalize this statute. Essentially after the fact, both

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Speaker 1: I read to you the actual text of the relevant

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Speaker 1: clause of the fourteen Amendment, which is fourty Amendments, Section one,

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Speaker 1: Clause one, otherwise known as the Citizenship Clause, which reads

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Speaker 1: as follows, quote, all persons born or naturalized in the

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Speaker 1: of the United States and of the state wherein they resign.

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Speaker 1: So a lot to impact there. But the very first

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Speaker 1: Specifically, the purpose of the Decisiship clause was to overturn

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Speaker 1: So the decisionship clause in the fort Amendment was intended

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Speaker 1: That is why we have so called anchor babies, people

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Speaker 1: And that raised the question then, as does subject to

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Speaker 1: the jurisdiction mean On the one hand, meinly that you

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Speaker 1: subject to the civil and criminal jurisdiction of the geographic

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Speaker 1: more going on than that? Is there more, shall we say,

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Speaker 1: a more complete jurisdiction that entails things such as the

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Speaker 1: sovereigns acceptance of your allegiance, a full complete political allegiance. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to that, actually just a second year.

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Speaker 1: Before we do, I want to tell you a little

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Speaker 1: The Death of Recess. I was not necessarily spreading this,

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Speaker 1: but it was just a truly fantastic documentary. And let

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Speaker 1: of teachers. My great grandmother, grandmother mother were all teachers,

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Speaker 1: Parents, meanwhile, are being pushed out. Kids are being pulled

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Speaker 1: into all sorts of ideological battles, a lot of it

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Speaker 1: being pushed by teachers, unions like the NEA itself. It

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Speaker 1: means something as basic as recess, movement, freedom, childhood. It's

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Speaker 1: all disappearing, frankly from within our grasp, within our eyes,

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Speaker 1: back then to the debates. I mentioned earlier that is

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Speaker 1: impossible to understand the fourteen Man without understanding the statue

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Speaker 1: a lot about during the argument Justice Morning. The statue

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Speaker 1: the intent, which normally disputes of the amendment, was simply

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Speaker 1: to constitutionalize this statue. Now, the inciszenship clause of the

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Speaker 1: us to the exact same principle, and the Civil Rights

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Speaker 1: Now the reason that the language was changed slightly because

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Speaker 1: And indeed, that is the argument here. The armament is

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Speaker 1: this was constitutionalized by this language. Now, the drafters of

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Speaker 1: There's actually been a bevy of scholarship on this just

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Speaker 1: was cited this morning by the extremely capable Solicitor General

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Speaker 1: Lineman Shrumble, similarly said that subject to the jurisdiction, in

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Speaker 1: the words of the fourteen memenent sists clause means subjects

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Speaker 1: samul Miller wrote that the decisionship clause in the Fourteenmendments

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Speaker 1: Also in eighteen eighty four, and in a case that

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Speaker 1: Justice Horace Gray held that quote subject to the jurisdiction

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Speaker 1: trying to obstruct justice, Well, those headlines, and that media

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Speaker 1: fallout might change depending on the pacissitudes of a given

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Speaker 1: news cycle, but the overall polling when it comes to

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Speaker 1: trying to deport criminal aliens above all, is overwhelmingly on

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Speaker 1: the side of the Trumpdministration and Donald Trump, Tom Homan,

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Speaker 1: Mark Wayne Moullin. They really should plow speed ahead when

437
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Speaker 1: it comes to immigration heading into this election year, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about that. Speaking of issues that are slightly more

439
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Speaker 1: contentious with the American public at a large though, there

440
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Speaker 1: is the issue of the war against Iran. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: giving a national address today really for the first time

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Speaker 1: offering what we have called for him to do here

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Speaker 1: on the show of offering one of these solemn national

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Speaker 1: addresses talking about what is happening with Iran. What we

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Speaker 1: can expect with Iran. My prediction and my understanding is

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Speaker 1: that Donal Trump is announcing that we are in the

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Speaker 1: final stages and that this is the beginning of the end,

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Speaker 1: and that this war will potentially be wrapping up fairly soon.

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Speaker 1: That we are engaged in negotiations with the new regime

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Speaker 1: over in Iran, and this is this is a new

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Speaker 1: regime change of sorts, and I expect that basically just

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of happy talk, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, and my prediction as to what exactly this

454
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Speaker 1: is really getting at, if we're trying to be between

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Speaker 1: the lines, here is as follows. Donald Trump's a man

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Speaker 1: who cares a lot about the markets. He's a man

457
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Speaker 1: who's made a lot of money in the markets. He's

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Speaker 1: been very successful playing the markets, being very successful in

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Speaker 1: investing leading companies, et cetera, etc. He pays very very

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Speaker 1: close attention to the markets. As he says repeatedly, you

461
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Speaker 1: know that he has looked a skance at best and

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Speaker 1: in worried fashion and worst.

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Speaker 2: At the rise of oil.

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Speaker 1: Over the past month, according to Triple A, the average

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Speaker 1: national gas price of gasing at the pump has risen

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Speaker 1: by over a dollar per gallon from somewhere in the

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Speaker 1: to ninety ish range before operation etpic Ferry, and now,

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Speaker 1: according to at least a recent survey that I saw,

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Speaker 1: it is now just over four dollars. That is a

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Speaker 1: serious change. So Trump is all but a surely trying

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Speaker 1: to tamp down the skittishness of Wall Street and the

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Speaker 1: investor class more generally, perhaps trying to even stabilize the

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Speaker 1: price of oil, although adle of the United States has

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Speaker 1: something of of mixed incentives, shall we say, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the price of oil. Certainly the regnan's party,

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Speaker 1: the majority party, that being the Republican Party, the party

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, they don't want to see prices get

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Speaker 1: out of hand in the election year, especially in an election

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Speaker 1: year where there are affordability concerns and inflation and costplaying,

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Speaker 1: where all these issues are very much rises to forefront,

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Speaker 1: so that militates certainly against rise and oil prices. Rather,

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Speaker 1: I just say that because there is an alternative competing

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Speaker 1: incentive an interest here, and the competing incentive is that

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Speaker 1: America is now the number one net exporter of oil

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Speaker 1: and natural gas in the entire world, and that does

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Speaker 1: potentially militate in favor of higher prices. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that is what Trump's trying to do or anything like

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Speaker 1: that there, but it's just interesting to think about how

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Speaker 1: these incentives tend tend to kind of work potentially actually

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Speaker 1: at loggerheads against one another. Nonetheless, my understanding of my

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Speaker 1: reading is that Donald Trump is trying to quell Wall

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Speaker 1: Street anxiety and generally trying to restore us to something

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Speaker 1: of an equilibrium or a short term stasis. My prediction

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Speaker 1: is as follows. This Friday is good Friday, and the

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Speaker 1: markets will be closed. Accordingly, I would think that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to stabilize and tamp down market freakouts,

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Speaker 1: market fervor in the short term, meaning over the next

498
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Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty six hours, and now potentially as

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Speaker 1: early as Thursday night over night in Tehran or Friday

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Speaker 1: morning or some combination there on a Friday Saturday, whatever

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Speaker 1: will be there. I would actually anticipate the United States

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Speaker 1: at that point than trying to escalate in the short

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Speaker 1: term in the interest of a mid to long term

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Speaker 1: off ram. There's also data points that lead me to

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Speaker 1: predict this. On the one hand, most importantly, there is

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Speaker 1: a new aircraft carrier strike group that is now heading

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Speaker 1: towards the Middle East. It's the USS George HW.

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Speaker 2: Bush.

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Speaker 1: It literally just left Norfolk, Virginia, where there's a major

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Speaker 1: naval presence, just over the past couple of days. It's

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Speaker 1: now it's going to take weeks, These things to a

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Speaker 1: long time. This whole strike group, it's essentially a floating

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Speaker 1: military in one unit. Thank god, America kicks butt. We

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of these, and it didn take a

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Speaker 1: long time to get all the way to the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Why would you send that if you were just trying

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Speaker 1: to wrap up hostilities in the.

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Speaker 2: Next few days. It just makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, actually thousands more marines just arrived in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East over the past few days. And we know

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Speaker 1: from leaks inside the Pentagon elsewhere that the Pentagon the

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Speaker 1: war planners have been tasked with drawing up various options

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Speaker 1: and presenting them on a menu of options to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: many perhaps even most of which involve some sort of

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Speaker 1: short term escalatory measure. Now, for what it's worth, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump went on truth Social earlier today and just obliterated,

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Speaker 1: just obliterated the RANI is essentially calling bs on those

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Speaker 1: of say that he is winding down this operation. He

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Speaker 1: said on True Social quote, Iran's new regime presidents, much

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Speaker 1: less radicalized and far more intelligent than his predecessors, has

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Speaker 1: just as the United States America, for a ceasefire, we

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Speaker 1: will consider when the three offform moves is open, free

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Speaker 1: and clear. Until then, we are blasting Iran into oblivion

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Speaker 1: or as they say, back to the Stone age. I mean,

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Speaker 1: does that sound like the kind of guy who is

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Speaker 1: trying to wind down this operation, this operation that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trumpeuwisco said that he was just having so much fun

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Speaker 1: frankly doing I mean again, this is a guy who

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Speaker 1: has had the mulla's number for nearly five decades. Is

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Speaker 1: the guy who went on national TV during the hostage

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Speaker 1: crisis during the Jimmy Carter presidency and blasted Jimmy Carter,

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Speaker 1: tore him a new rear end over the fact that

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Speaker 1: there were American hostages, dozens of them, languishing for four

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Speaker 1: to forty more days at the American embassy in Tehran.

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Speaker 1: Trump has been so consistent on this issue, as I

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Speaker 1: said in my seapack speech in Texas last week, he

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Speaker 1: has been arguably more consistent on the issue of ron

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Speaker 1: than literally any issue over the decades other than tariffs themselves.

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Speaker 1: I actually think that is probably an accurate statement. So

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that he

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Speaker 1: would take the opportunity and just take an off ramp

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Speaker 1: right now. I don't buy it. I do not buy it,

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Speaker 1: and I do not think it's gonna happen. You know,

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Speaker 1: we had Rebecca Himristuf Hudson's doy on the show earlier

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Speaker 1: this week as well, and I said to Rebecca, he said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Rebecca, the messaging again. I support this

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Speaker 1: war for sure, but messaging hasn't been quite directly on point.

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Speaker 1: I would have liked to have a little more clarity.

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Speaker 1: And Rebecca, to to a credit, raise a very good point,

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Speaker 1: which was that Trump is a master of information operations himself.

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Speaker 1: He loves, loves loves throwing the enemy off. Indeed, he

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Speaker 1: did so here when it came to the fact that

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Speaker 1: Kamini that I told, apparently felt okay going on to

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Speaker 1: public prior to his fatal meeting there on February twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: among other reasons, because Trump had just met publicly and

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Speaker 1: smiled in Chokens with Tucker Carlston at the White House,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden was an elaborate deploy in hindsight,

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Speaker 1: to throw off the malls. Frankly, as we predicted right

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Speaker 1: here on the show. So I do not think that

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Speaker 1: this is the end of hostilities. Clearly, at some point

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Speaker 1: those end of hostilities are going to have to come,

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Speaker 1: there is no doubt about that whatsoever. But I do

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Speaker 1: not think, frankly, that now is exactly that time the

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Speaker 1: goals simply have not quite.

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Speaker 2: Been achieved yet.

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Speaker 1: The goal of this operation, as he said, the said

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Speaker 1: repeatedly Dan Kane Trump was Saide lesser extent, but he

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Speaker 1: is nonetheless made this clear enough at least at this

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Speaker 1: point as well. Is he has said that the goal

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Speaker 1: of Operation Epic Fury, this military operation, is to neutralize

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Speaker 1: the islam Republic everron as a threat to the United

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Speaker 1: States and our interests. Now he has also indicating that

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Speaker 1: he wants the Europeans rightfully to start to take up

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Speaker 1: a greater share of the burden for doing exactly that,

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Speaker 1: more than that actually in just a few minutes. But

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Speaker 1: he is nonetheless making pretty clear that this thing's not

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Speaker 1: going to stop unless and until the Knight States feels

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Speaker 1: like we've achieved our objectives.

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Speaker 2: Pete heex eth Is said.

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Speaker 1: That meeting with the soldiers Petex a payday surprise visit

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Speaker 1: to the troops in the region over over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: It said what he heard over and over and over

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Speaker 1: again was mister secretary, our only request, Our only request

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Speaker 1: is to finish the job. You do not start an

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Speaker 1: operation like this unless you intend to finish it on

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Speaker 1: its own terms. Exactly what those terms consist of is

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Speaker 1: where statesmanship and prudence and judgment and all the things

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Speaker 1: that we elect commanders in chief to do. That's where

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Speaker 1: that factor's in. Personally, I feel pretty good by the

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Speaker 1: fact that Donald Trump nobody's doing when it comes to

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Speaker 1: this issue. And I do not think for a second

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Speaker 1: that we are now beginning the winding down of operations.

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Speaker 1: I think we're in the beginning of trying to wind

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Speaker 1: down Wall Street jitters. But if I had to guess

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Speaker 1: Thursday night Friday morning, things will start to look a

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Speaker 1: lot more fiery in Iran. We'll see, frankly, if firemright.

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Speaker 1: So Trump definitely indicating when it comes to Iran that

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Speaker 1: the Europeans to start to take up more of the burden.

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Speaker 1: He definitely wants Europeans to get more involved when it

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Speaker 1: comes to this operation to try to open the crucial

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Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz, to have free passage for oil tankers,

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Speaker 1: commercial vessels, et cetera. There, and there definitely is this

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Speaker 1: rift that is becoming pretty wide, this yawning chasm between

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Speaker 1: the United States and our European allies when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the NATO alliance. Donald Trump essentially saying about NATO

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Speaker 1: could look a lot different when this is all said

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Speaker 1: and done, unless NATO steps up its freaking game here

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Speaker 1: in the short term. Marco Rubio actually went on the

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Speaker 1: Hannity program on Fox News said something very very similar

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Speaker 1: from his vandpoint to Secretary of Sake, go ahead and

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Speaker 1: watch this from Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of billions of dollars over the years, trillions of dollars,

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Speaker 3: and all these American forces stationed in the region, if

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Speaker 3: we can only use we can in our time of need,

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Speaker 3: We're not going to be allowed to use those bases.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's no doubt. Unfortunately, after this conflict

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Speaker 3: is concluded, we are going to have to re examine

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Speaker 3: that relationship. We're going to have to re examine the

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Speaker 3: value of NATO and that alliance for our country. Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: that's a decision for the president to make, and you'll

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Speaker 3: have to make it. We're going to finish the job here.

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Speaker 3: As I said, we're very very close to achieving our

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Speaker 3: objectives on all of these things that I've outlined. But

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Speaker 3: I do think, unfortunately we are going to have to

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Speaker 3: re examine whether or not this alliance that has served

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Speaker 3: this country well for a while is still serving that

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Speaker 3: purpose or is it now become a one way street

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Speaker 3: where America is simply in a position to defend Europe,

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Speaker 3: but when we need the help of our allies, they're

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Speaker 3: going to deny US basing rights and they're going to

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Speaker 3: deny us overflight. I think these are very legitimate questions

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Speaker 3: that we need to be asking, and this are going

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Speaker 3: to have to be very carefully examined after this conflict

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Speaker 3: is over.

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Speaker 2: As they should.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: The more specifics are that Spain, which is led by

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Speaker 1: a left wing kook. Spain has outright denied the United

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Speaker 1: States use of any airspace. France under Emmanuel Macron, who

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Speaker 1: at one point France seemed like maybe they were going

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Speaker 1: to help us, maybe open this rate for moves. Now

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Speaker 1: they're backing away from that. France now is saying that, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the US, we totally use our airspace, but not when

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Speaker 1: it comes to planes flying to the region. So you

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Speaker 1: can you can use their airspace to fly to like

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Speaker 1: Germany or Africa or whatever, but you can't use it

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Speaker 1: to fly to Middle East. You can't use it to

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Speaker 1: actually assist Israel or the Sunni Arab states when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the prosecution of this war. Against the Irani regime.

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Speaker 1: I mean a fat lot that does. Again, this is

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Speaker 1: one of our longstanding issues here on the show is

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Speaker 1: what is an ally in the twenty first century NATO's

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Speaker 1: organization that quite literally outlived it's it's raison detra it's

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Speaker 1: reason for existing was the at least the containment, ideally

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Speaker 1: the defeat of the Soviet Union. That goal was achieved

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Speaker 1: decades ago when I was in diapers. So what exactly

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Speaker 1: is the goal of this organization today? And this is

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Speaker 1: how you get Mission creep. Is how you get things

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Speaker 1: like the Human Rights Campaign, which is a pro same

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Speaker 1: tis marriage organization than after they got that constutionalized in

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Speaker 1: the absolut atrocity of a sko's case called a Berger

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Speaker 1: fell in twenty teen. After that, then the HRC moves

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Speaker 1: on to the transgender issue. It's just Mission Creep, moving targets,

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Speaker 1: moving the goalpost. That's essentially when NATO's done. But ironically,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you what the targets. I literally

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Speaker 1: could not tell you at this point. All I see

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Speaker 1: when I look at NATO is US taxpayer dollars, frustration,

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Speaker 1: vexation from Donald Trump, and a bunch of freaking European

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Speaker 1: freeloaders and moochers. That's all I see. If there's more

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Speaker 1: to see, I'm totally game. But in this twenty first century,

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Speaker 1: in this century that is retrenching, it's pulling back from

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Speaker 1: the globalist era and is now returning to more of

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Speaker 1: a of a nationalist posture, America is better suited making bilateral,

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Speaker 1: trilateral security arrangements with crucial allies, allies that will go

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Speaker 1: into battle with US if need be, just like Israel

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Speaker 1: has over the past month. That is what an ally

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Speaker 1: looks like. France telling you you came to use our

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Speaker 1: airspace to go fight your war. How is that an ally?

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Speaker 1: And why are we subsidizing it? It's just total stinking garbage.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I have just had enough that I really

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Speaker 1: hope that Rubios right, that America's NATO pasture will be thoroughly,

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Speaker 1: thoroughly re examined after this war. Frankly, all options, really,

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Speaker 1: all options, including the complete winding down NATO, should be

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Speaker 1: on the table. Speaking of things that should be wound down,

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Speaker 1: an absolute lunatic in Rhode Island, remember the name of

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Speaker 1: David Morales, who is some sort of lected official there

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Speaker 1: in the in the proxrt Rhode Islands area was going

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Speaker 1: viral on social media for an outrageous region, which is that.

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Speaker 2: There is a mural.

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Speaker 1: There is a mural for Irena Zrutska there in the

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Speaker 1: city of Providence, Rhode Islands, and he's not having it.

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Speaker 1: He wants the artists to paint over this mural and

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Speaker 1: saying this mural does not reflect our values.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually really did say. It goes up.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and watch this plot from David Morales there

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Speaker 1: in Providence.

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Speaker 2: Rudelan.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, we want to make sure that every community member

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Speaker 4: that calls Providence home feels safe, and we can both

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Speaker 4: agree that this mural behind us does not reflect Providence's

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Speaker 4: values nor does it reflect the creativity that we want

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Speaker 4: to see in ours.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he is the state representative, is what he

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Speaker 1: is there in Providence. In this past September, he announced

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Speaker 1: his intention to run for a mayor of Providence. So

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Speaker 1: he's an aspiring a mayor currently in the state legislature

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Speaker 1: there in Providence. Dude, what is athlete does not reflect

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Speaker 1: your values. This woman was killed brutally, murdered brutally by

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Speaker 1: a man with a fifteen crime long rap sheet who

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Speaker 1: never in a million years should have been on the streets.

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Speaker 1: She was a Ukrainian refugee. The left, aren't they pro

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Speaker 1: refugee refugee in scare quotes? Usually most of the people

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Speaker 1: are not bone and fied refugees under American refugee and

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Speaker 1: asylum law under our statutes? Isn't left aggressively pro Ukraine

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Speaker 1: because orange man bad and orange Man is a Manchurian?

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Speaker 2: Can that a poodin puppet, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Weren't there once who were all in for the Slava

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Speaker 1: Ukraine yellow and blue flag crowd is not your crowd?

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Speaker 2: Dem morales?

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Speaker 1: So what why this is not reflector values? We can't

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Speaker 1: honor the victims of horrific crime? Why does it figure narrative?

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Speaker 1: How does not fag your narrative? Are we pro murder?

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Speaker 1: Are you pro stabbing people of death? Are you pro

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Speaker 1: letting up people with fifteen crime long violent of property

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Speaker 1: crime ridden rap sheets into America's streets from the kill

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Speaker 1: people like Arina Zaruska? Just despicable stuff. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: do you square that circles? Outly? How do you square

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Speaker 1: that circle when it comes to saying that you're a

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Speaker 1: pro quote unquote refugee, you're maybe even pro Ukraine, and

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Speaker 1: yet don't want a mural of Irena Zutska. Make it

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Speaker 1: make sense. As with so much of the modern left,

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Speaker 1: none of this ultimately adds up. All of it is

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Speaker 1: just one gigantic act of virtual signaling and performative outrage.

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Speaker 2: And it just really stinks.

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Speaker 1: Finally, I want to return us to the way he

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Speaker 1: ended yesterday's show for a bit of an update. We

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the tragic fall of Tiger Woods,

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Speaker 1: a man who was my absolute hero when it came

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Speaker 1: to professional sportsman, who was the reason that I took

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Speaker 1: up a golf club like so many others in my generation,

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Speaker 1: Tiger has had a checkered personal life now for two

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Speaker 1: decades or more.

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Speaker 2: It's been a lot.

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Speaker 1: Written and spoken on this subject. Among these are numerous

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Speaker 1: car crashes. Most recently was a car crash just as

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Speaker 1: past Friday here in South Florida and Jupiter Island in

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County.

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Speaker 2: They called it a dui.

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Speaker 1: We are now learning that it wasn't necessarily that he

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Speaker 1: was drunk on alcohol, but rather he was on an

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Speaker 1: excessive amount of painkillers hydro codum he might have had

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Speaker 1: some alcohol too, to be clear, although his Breatha liveser

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Speaker 1: did show a zero points zero zero, so perhaps not

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. For Woodsworth has now said that he is

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Speaker 1: going to step away from golf to seek treatment, and

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Speaker 1: a statement post on social media, he said quote, I

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Speaker 1: know and understand these seriousness of the situation I find

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Speaker 1: myself in. Today. I am stepping away for a period

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Speaker 1: of time to seek treatment and focus on my health.

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Speaker 1: This is necessary in order for me to prioritize my

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Speaker 1: well being and work toward lasting recovery. I committed to

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Speaker 1: taking the time needed to return a healthier, stronger, and

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Speaker 1: more focused place, both personally and professionally. Et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Folks, Tonight is the beginning of the holiday

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Speaker 1: of Passover on the Jewish calendar. Therefore, I will be

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Speaker 1: offline tomorrow and Friday. We of course will have some

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Speaker 1: shows for you. We hope that you enjoy them. And

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Speaker 1: this Sunday marks Easter for all of our Christian friends

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Speaker 1: there as well. This Friday Good Friday, This Sunday is Easter.

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Speaker 2: There are lots of.

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Speaker 1: Common themes of these two holidays will elebate that a

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Speaker 1: little bit on this Friday show actually with guest judge

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Speaker 1: Roy Altman. But the theme really is redemption. That's the

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Speaker 1: theme that is the common denominator of Passover Easter. These

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Speaker 1: are redemption narratives, redemption stories, personal redemption, personal salvation, national redemption,

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Speaker 1: national salvation. It's a very very auspicious time for Tiger Woods,

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Speaker 1: I think to be announcing this. Tiger is an icon

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Speaker 1: to so many of us, and I really hope that

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Speaker 1: he takes account of his life and gets his life

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Speaker 1: in order. For all of you out there, this is

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Speaker 1: a really good time of the year to take account

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Speaker 1: of your life too. How can you improve? Where can

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Speaker 1: you make improvements? Above all, strive towards something greater and

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Speaker 1: something higher and more transcendental, because you too, like all

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Speaker 1: of us, can be redeemed folks. Wishing you a happy

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Speaker 1: Passover at hat semiach. Josh Hammer signing off for now.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, of course with another programm.