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Speaker 2: You didn't have to turn back to the Lord. You

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Speaker 2: could have continued on that course, and quite frankly, you

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Speaker 2: could have been another tragic rock and roll story.

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Speaker 3: I was as close as anybody ever came, and I

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Speaker 3: said here and I go.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea why you let me live.

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Speaker 2: Alice. At one point you were the number one rock

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Speaker 2: star in the world, and it started with your first

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Speaker 2: hit eighteen. You were in multiple bands. You started out

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Speaker 2: in a band called the Earwigs, and you were in

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Speaker 2: italent contest and kind of a Beatles imitation. Then you

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Speaker 2: started learning to play and becoming a proper rock band.

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Speaker 2: Then you ultimately ultimately became the Spiders and then Alice Cooper.

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Speaker 2: But that hit changed everything. So you're in a car,

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Speaker 2: I think maybe with some of your bandmates, and you

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Speaker 2: hear your song eighteen on the radio for the first time.

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Speaker 2: What was that like?

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Speaker 3: We were the band that wasn't supposed to ever have

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Speaker 3: a hit. We were the notorious Alice Cooper band. We

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Speaker 3: were the outlaws.

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Speaker 1: Every parent hated.

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Speaker 2: Us, and that was good for business, wasn't that?

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Speaker 1: It was?

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Speaker 3: We didn't necessarily do it that way. We just ended

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Speaker 3: up being that. But at the same time. In that era,

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Speaker 3: if you had a hit on the top forty, you

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Speaker 3: were with Sinatra, Elvis, the Beatles, Simon and Garfunkle, the Supremes,

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Speaker 3: all those people are always in the top forty. And

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Speaker 3: we did a song call I'm eighteen. I'm eighteen and

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Speaker 3: I Like it right. That was almost a punk anthem,

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Speaker 3: having no idea that that was going to be a

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Speaker 3: hit single. SKLW was the biggest station in the Midwest.

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Speaker 3: It came out of Windsor, Canada. We were in Detroit

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Speaker 3: and we're driving along and all of a sudden, we

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Speaker 3: hear pick hit this week on SKLW, and eighteen comes on.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, we stopped the car. We had never heard

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Speaker 3: any of our records ever on the radio before, and

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Speaker 3: we're sitting there listening to it, and we're looking at

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Speaker 3: each other just laughing, going, what a mistake they just made.

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Then I heard it two hours later, and then you're

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Speaker 3: hear it again two hours later, and then you realize

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Speaker 3: it's not just a pick hit.

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Speaker 1: It's on the charts.

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Speaker 3: And you're sitting there between the Rolling Stones and Simon

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Speaker 3: and Garfunkel, and there's your song.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and to the business.

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Speaker 3: Part of rock and roll that gets the attention of

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Speaker 3: the money guys. All of a sudden, the record company goes,

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Speaker 3: what that band has a hit. Okay, now we're going

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Speaker 3: to put the spotlight on them. We didn't expect that.

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Speaker 3: The worst thing you could do to a band like

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Speaker 3: Alice Cooper is Notorious we were was give us a hit,

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Speaker 3: because now you had to deal with us, and everybody

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Speaker 3: gets well, everybody gets one for once in a while,

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Speaker 3: I get a lot home run once in a while.

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Speaker 3: Second one came out, it was a bigger hit. Third

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Speaker 3: one came out with a bigger hit. So all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, now we didn't chase the charts. We didn't

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Speaker 3: say we got to write a song that's going to

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Speaker 3: be on the charts, right, We got that song on

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Speaker 3: and now the charts was looking at us. And we

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Speaker 2: So Alice, you're at the peak here of fame, and

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Speaker 2: you're hanging around the most unusual people you've met, all

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Speaker 2: of the Beatles, you're meeting every rock star of the day.

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Speaker 2: But not just that, but you're meeting people like Jack

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Speaker 2: Benny and George Burns and Groucho Marx, and you become

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Speaker 2: friends with these people, and you were even friends with

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Speaker 2: Peter Sellers, and so you'd go, you were telling me earlier,

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Speaker 2: you'd go to dinner with Peter Sellers and suddenly he

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Speaker 2: would go into his Inspector Glusseau character in front of you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he could help himself, but you

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Speaker 3: know a lot of comedians do that. Mike Myers will

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Speaker 3: and some you know, same with Dana Carvey.

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Speaker 1: He does a thousand characters, and.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know if that's a means of communication

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Speaker 3: And of course it was the greatest thing. I was

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Speaker 1: He was great.

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Speaker 3: We had him come on one of the records and

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Speaker 3: and he stuck around and he did a video with us,

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Speaker 1: His part on the stage.

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Speaker 3: And I think that you find that you have a

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Speaker 3: bigger view of these people. You know, you have a

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Speaker 3: picture of who Elvis is, and then when you meet him,

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Speaker 3: you see a bigger picture of him.

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Speaker 1: He's funny. You never see and being funny.

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Speaker 3: He's funny, he makes fun of himself. He's a regular guy,

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Speaker 3: you know. And that's the part that people I get

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Speaker 3: to see that other people don't get to see.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about when you met Elvis.

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Speaker 3: Well, Elvis was great. Elvis was, you know, bigger than

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Speaker 3: life at that time. In nineteen seventy one, I got

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Speaker 3: a call saying, Elvis wants to meet you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we had already had hit records and he saw all.

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Speaker 2: This stuff and Hawaii at this point.

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Speaker 1: This was in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Let's Vegas.

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Speaker 3: And I went to the hotel and they had an elevator,

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Speaker 3: especially elevator went up to his penthouse. So I get

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So you go up there and kind of waiting when

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Speaker 3: he walks in the room. This wasn't fat Elvis, this

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Speaker 3: wasn't drugged out Elvis. This was Elvis in his prime.

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Speaker 3: And he walks in and he's hey, man, because to me,

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Speaker 3: he said, you really care with a snake, right, you know?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I said, I mean that's cool. You're from Detroit,

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Speaker 1: And I went yeah. He said, come here, I want

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Speaker 3: So I go in the kitchen with Elvis, just me

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Speaker 3: and him closes, the door opens, the door takes out

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Speaker 3: and I immediately start unloading.

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Speaker 1: It, and he goes, no, I'll leave the bolts in.

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Speaker 1: It's all right, man.

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Speaker 3: I almost sure you had to take a gun out

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Speaker 3: So I'm standing there and I got the gun out

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Speaker 1: What a story, yellows. Cooper shoots Elvis, and then a

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Speaker 1: little angel comes over. He says, well, don't kill him,

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Speaker 1: but shoot him somewhere. You know, the gun's out of

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Speaker 1: my hand. I'm on the floor.

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Speaker 2: A loaded gun, though that could have gone wrong.

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Speaker 1: No, I know that was him though.

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Speaker 3: And then after that happens, he goes, would you like

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Speaker 3: to see my most prouded possession.

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Speaker 1: I went, yeah, to go.

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Speaker 3: In the bedroom, opens up a drawer and he pulls

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Speaker 3: down an envelope. This was the picture I had of Elvis.

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Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden that changed everything. And it's

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Speaker 3: an envelope and it's X rays and I going, what

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Speaker 3: is this and he says, well, I was leaving the

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Speaker 1: All three of them, he says.

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Speaker 3: Broke this guy's jaw right here, he says, and then

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Speaker 3: he pulls in, he said, and I swung around and

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Speaker 3: breaked this guy's ankle right there, And I'm going, this

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Speaker 3: is your prize possession. And I realized he had no

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Speaker 3: life outside of his capsule. He was a prisoner of

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Speaker 3: being Elvis Presley. He couldn't go to the movies, he

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Speaker 3: couldn't go playpool, he couldn't do anything, and so this

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Speaker 3: was his connection to the outside world. And I immediately thought,

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Speaker 3: I never want to be this big I never want

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Speaker 3: to be a pre Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing.

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Speaker 2: Same you know, if you married Elvis's daughter, if you.

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Speaker 3: Put anybody and say you here's the biggest mansion on

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Speaker 3: the planet. You can have anything you want. You can

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Speaker 3: but you can't leave the mansion. You'll find a way

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Speaker 3: to kill yourself to a prison. At a point you'll

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Speaker 3: find so you'll leave, to eat yourself to death, You'll

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Speaker 3: natural to be in prison. Yeah, and that's everybody that

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Speaker 3: was in that position ended up dying, you know, way

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Speaker 2: I saw a documentary film about Elvis called The Searcher.

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Speaker 2: It's actually very well done films, and it really did

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Speaker 2: show how this wasn't mean that was searching early on

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Speaker 2: in life. Interestingly, though, Elvis had gospel roots and he

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Speaker 2: would often sing call people up to us, so tell sweet.

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Speaker 2: I read this article where I think it was Tom Jones.

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Speaker 2: They were both in Vegas at the same time. Elvis

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Speaker 2: would call Tom coming over, My Alvis isn't as good

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Speaker 2: because it's all us, sure, says we'd be up all

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Speaker 2: night singing gospel about so there.

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Speaker 3: Were before laure almost an hour before the show. He

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Speaker 3: would warm up with all gospel songs. Yeah, that's all

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Speaker 3: they do, and then he would go on stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he grew up.

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Speaker 3: In that Southern gospel, you know, and that's where the

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Speaker 3: that's where he ended up, you know.

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Speaker 1: But his roots, he'd go back to those roots.

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Speaker 2: Do you think when you're young and you're hungry, like

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Speaker 2: then you become Alice Cooper, you're climbing your way up

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Speaker 2: and then when you get there, then you go to

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Speaker 2: the stage too and stage three, and in your case

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Speaker 2: you become iconic. You're still iconic. You walk into a room,

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Speaker 2: you told me, you walked through an airport. People say

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Speaker 2: we're not worthy because it was in Wayne's world and

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Speaker 2: they think that the first people that did it, when

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Speaker 2: in fact, it happens to you all the time. But

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Speaker 2: you know, when you get to whatever stage that is,

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Speaker 2: do you think that for some of these people who

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Speaker 2: start abusing drugs or even take their own life. Is

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Speaker 2: it because they get to the top and they realize

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Speaker 2: It keeps them going. But when they get there and

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Speaker 2: What do you think happens in the mind of a person.

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Speaker 1: I think if you don't have.

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Speaker 3: The Lord in your life, you're always going to be

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Speaker 3: trying to fill that hole with something. It's either going

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Speaker 3: to be drugs or it's going to be ferraris, or

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Speaker 3: and that beer was constant now and it was not

437
00:22:19,165 --> 00:22:22,524
Speaker 3: alcohol it was medicine now almost like a prop too.

438
00:22:22,604 --> 00:22:24,044
Speaker 1: And it was a prop, and I mean it was

439
00:22:24,084 --> 00:22:26,324
Speaker 1: a good I was never drunk. I was never angry.

440
00:22:26,365 --> 00:22:27,085
Speaker 1: It's never mean.

441
00:22:27,484 --> 00:22:31,604
Speaker 3: I was always that Dean Martin kind of cool until

442
00:22:31,645 --> 00:22:36,204
Speaker 3: it started started throwing up blood. Now Harry Nielsen had

443
00:22:36,205 --> 00:22:38,764
Speaker 3: already died. My Hollywood vampires, all the guys they used

444
00:22:38,764 --> 00:22:41,205
Speaker 3: to drink with, we're all dying.

445
00:22:41,405 --> 00:22:43,125
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the Hollywood Vampires.

446
00:22:43,165 --> 00:22:47,524
Speaker 3: That it was club, Keith Moon, Harry Nielsen, Mickey Dolens,

447
00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:51,844
Speaker 3: Mickey Dolans, Bernie Toppin, and anybody else that would come

448
00:22:51,885 --> 00:22:52,284
Speaker 3: into town.

449
00:22:52,445 --> 00:22:53,844
Speaker 2: John Lennon occasionally, Yeah, he.

450
00:22:53,804 --> 00:22:55,524
Speaker 3: Would come in and we would sit there and we

451
00:22:55,524 --> 00:22:58,445
Speaker 3: would drink every night at the Rainbow, you know, last

452
00:22:58,445 --> 00:23:02,965
Speaker 3: man standing kind of thing. And when that kind of

453
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:04,804
Speaker 3: broke up, because they even went back out on tour

454
00:23:06,084 --> 00:23:10,444
Speaker 3: half of the more debt, you know, and still we

455
00:23:10,484 --> 00:23:12,845
Speaker 3: went right on because we were I was in control

456
00:23:12,925 --> 00:23:15,604
Speaker 3: of this drinking, at least I thought I was, until

457
00:23:15,645 --> 00:23:18,405
Speaker 3: I realized I really wasn't in control. It was now

458
00:23:19,004 --> 00:23:21,644
Speaker 3: it was now medicine, and I didn't even like the

459
00:23:21,685 --> 00:23:22,044
Speaker 3: taste of.

460
00:23:22,044 --> 00:23:23,764
Speaker 1: It anymore, but I had to have it.

461
00:23:25,524 --> 00:23:28,885
Speaker 3: I woke up one morning threw up blood, and Cheryl goes,

462
00:23:29,044 --> 00:23:33,684
Speaker 3: party's over and I was in an institute, you know,

463
00:23:34,125 --> 00:23:37,644
Speaker 3: to stop. And you know what, after two days, I

464
00:23:37,685 --> 00:23:41,564
Speaker 3: felt great, But I kept going, when I get out

465
00:23:41,604 --> 00:23:42,885
Speaker 3: of here, I'm going to go back to my thing,

466
00:23:42,925 --> 00:23:46,085
Speaker 3: and it's going to be everywhere I came out of there.

467
00:23:46,244 --> 00:23:50,564
Speaker 3: Never once had a fallback, never fell back on alcohol,

468
00:23:50,885 --> 00:23:55,044
Speaker 3: never fell back on drugs. Thirty nine years, thirty eight years.

469
00:23:55,125 --> 00:23:56,884
Speaker 3: So God literally took it away from me.

470
00:23:57,125 --> 00:24:00,284
Speaker 2: So you don't describe it as you were cured. You

471
00:24:00,405 --> 00:24:01,725
Speaker 2: say you were healed. Yeah.

472
00:24:01,764 --> 00:24:03,764
Speaker 3: People would say, well, you're a cured alcoholic, and I go, no,

473
00:24:03,804 --> 00:24:04,844
Speaker 3: it was a healed alcoholic.

474
00:24:04,925 --> 00:24:05,405
Speaker 2: What's a different.

475
00:24:05,725 --> 00:24:07,084
Speaker 1: Well, God took it away from me.

476
00:24:07,324 --> 00:24:11,364
Speaker 3: Even the doctor said it's impossible that you don't at

477
00:24:11,484 --> 00:24:14,205
Speaker 3: least fall off the wagon three or four times, because

478
00:24:14,205 --> 00:24:18,284
Speaker 3: you're the classic alcoholic. And I said, what you don't

479
00:24:18,365 --> 00:24:21,725
Speaker 3: understand is that God took it away from me. I said,

480
00:24:21,764 --> 00:24:23,725
Speaker 3: it's a miracle. After a while though, they went, you

481
00:24:23,764 --> 00:24:26,925
Speaker 3: know what, God took it away from you because they said,

482
00:24:27,004 --> 00:24:31,684
Speaker 3: everything about your life should be deception. That's what an

483
00:24:31,725 --> 00:24:34,844
Speaker 3: alcoholic and a drug addict does. You put on this

484
00:24:34,925 --> 00:24:37,884
Speaker 3: air that they're cured. But back here they're doing this

485
00:24:37,925 --> 00:24:42,645
Speaker 3: and they're doing that that never happened. And so even

486
00:24:42,685 --> 00:24:47,725
Speaker 3: the doctors were going, miracle, you're one in a million cases.

487
00:24:47,685 --> 00:24:49,884
Speaker 1: And I went, well, I said, you know, God works

488
00:24:49,885 --> 00:24:50,165
Speaker 1: like that.

489
00:24:50,725 --> 00:24:53,764
Speaker 2: I think people are really surprised to hear that. A

490
00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:56,284
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that you believe in Jesus Christ.

491
00:24:56,885 --> 00:25:00,804
Speaker 2: It still comes as a surprise to people. And yet

492
00:25:01,044 --> 00:25:02,965
Speaker 2: not only do you believe, but you have a strong

493
00:25:03,004 --> 00:25:06,764
Speaker 2: faith in him. You've established a center for young people

494
00:25:07,165 --> 00:25:10,124
Speaker 2: called Solid Rock, where you're trying to really help turn people,

495
00:25:10,484 --> 00:25:13,164
Speaker 2: get their lives turned around, turn them toward God. You

496
00:25:13,205 --> 00:25:16,965
Speaker 2: don't hide this in any way. So who is Jesus

497
00:25:17,125 --> 00:25:18,484
Speaker 2: Christ to you?

498
00:25:19,004 --> 00:25:25,685
Speaker 3: He's the core of everything. He's life itself. He's the light,

499
00:25:26,205 --> 00:25:29,004
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it's if we don't all revolve

500
00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:31,605
Speaker 3: around Christ and we're.

501
00:25:31,445 --> 00:25:34,885
Speaker 1: Way out in space somewhere, he draws you in. He's

502
00:25:34,925 --> 00:25:36,484
Speaker 1: the light. You're drawn to that light.

503
00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:41,964
Speaker 3: And it's nothing you can explain in words. You know,

504
00:25:42,405 --> 00:25:45,084
Speaker 3: it's something that happens to your heart where all of

505
00:25:45,125 --> 00:25:50,165
Speaker 3: a sudden you realize who this is and you realize,

506
00:25:50,205 --> 00:25:51,725
Speaker 3: oh my gosh.

507
00:25:52,044 --> 00:25:55,285
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not worthy of this talk about I'm.

508
00:25:55,084 --> 00:25:57,165
Speaker 2: Not worthy, I'm not worthy, where we are not.

509
00:25:57,205 --> 00:26:02,884
Speaker 3: Worthy and yet still being hung on the cross. He

510
00:26:02,965 --> 00:26:06,725
Speaker 3: knew your name, he knew my name, and that made

511
00:26:06,725 --> 00:26:09,484
Speaker 3: me go, how can I not believe in this?

512
00:26:10,284 --> 00:26:11,645
Speaker 1: He changes your heart?

513
00:26:12,165 --> 00:26:14,885
Speaker 3: Now, he didn't say, and now that you're a Christian,

514
00:26:15,844 --> 00:26:19,804
Speaker 3: you can no longer be in rock and roll. His

515
00:26:19,844 --> 00:26:22,844
Speaker 3: plan was, now you're a Christian, go be in a

516
00:26:22,925 --> 00:26:27,764
Speaker 3: rock and roll band, but follow me, be Alice Cooper.

517
00:26:28,524 --> 00:26:31,644
Speaker 3: And that's what Christians don't understand. I can be Alice

518
00:26:31,645 --> 00:26:33,885
Speaker 3: Cooper and you can't. I can't tell you how many

519
00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:35,925
Speaker 3: emails I get saying, you know that song you wrote, Hey,

520
00:26:35,965 --> 00:26:39,484
Speaker 3: stupid yeah changed my life. I was going to kill

521
00:26:39,524 --> 00:26:42,445
Speaker 3: myself this. That song spoke to me. Some of the

522
00:26:42,484 --> 00:26:44,244
Speaker 3: songs that don't make any sense at all, they go,

523
00:26:44,324 --> 00:26:47,764
Speaker 3: you know, I turned to christ speakinguse of that song,

524
00:26:47,844 --> 00:26:52,725
Speaker 3: and I go, that song it spoke to them differently,

525
00:26:53,084 --> 00:26:57,764
Speaker 3: It said something differently. So now when I write, I

526
00:26:57,885 --> 00:27:00,844
Speaker 3: always try to have some lyric pointing towards.

527
00:27:00,645 --> 00:27:06,205
Speaker 1: Christ some lyrics point We did an.

528
00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:10,004
Speaker 3: Album called Brutal Planet and Dragontown and what it was

529
00:27:10,044 --> 00:27:13,044
Speaker 3: talking about was. It was a heavy metal album.

530
00:27:14,044 --> 00:27:15,604
Speaker 1: Oh this is so cool man.

531
00:27:16,645 --> 00:27:19,845
Speaker 3: And then Christian kids started listening to it and going,

532
00:27:19,885 --> 00:27:22,684
Speaker 3: this is a Christian album. It's talking about how this

533
00:27:22,764 --> 00:27:26,964
Speaker 3: is a brutal planet and Dragontown is the result of it.

534
00:27:28,004 --> 00:27:32,284
Speaker 3: If you get one shot, you don't get another chance.

535
00:27:33,244 --> 00:27:35,524
Speaker 3: If you end up in Dragontown, there's no way out.

536
00:27:36,885 --> 00:27:40,125
Speaker 3: But brutal Planet's pointing out all the things that point

537
00:27:40,165 --> 00:27:42,844
Speaker 3: to Christ, you know, the horrible things, but the things

538
00:27:42,925 --> 00:27:46,445
Speaker 3: also that point to Christ. That album and the Last Temptation,

539
00:27:46,564 --> 00:27:50,525
Speaker 3: which was another album about that. It was written sort

540
00:27:50,524 --> 00:27:53,965
Speaker 3: of like something wicked. This way comes the circus comes

541
00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:56,125
Speaker 3: to town. The kid goes to the circus and they

542
00:27:56,165 --> 00:27:59,564
Speaker 3: try everything to get him to join the circus right

543
00:27:59,645 --> 00:28:03,564
Speaker 3: and at the end he doesn't. They were being sold

544
00:28:03,564 --> 00:28:07,244
Speaker 3: in Christian bookstores, and my record company couldn't figure out

545
00:28:07,284 --> 00:28:10,564
Speaker 3: why they're going, why are we getting why are we

546
00:28:10,604 --> 00:28:14,405
Speaker 3: selling records in Christian bookstores? Because it was Christian elbos

547
00:28:15,044 --> 00:28:17,644
Speaker 3: you know, uh, two or three of my songs were

548
00:28:18,324 --> 00:28:20,804
Speaker 3: used like in choirs. You know that a song like

549
00:28:21,004 --> 00:28:25,725
Speaker 3: I Am Made of You, Salvation, there's on these stories.

550
00:28:25,725 --> 00:28:28,365
Speaker 3: There's you know, a murder mystery. But there's a song

551
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:31,725
Speaker 3: called salvation. How the murderers going? Is there any chance

552
00:28:31,804 --> 00:28:36,364
Speaker 3: for salvation? Because well that's the song. So you did

553
00:28:36,405 --> 00:28:38,205
Speaker 3: all this horrible things, but yeah, there is a chance

554
00:28:38,245 --> 00:28:38,765
Speaker 3: for salvation.

555
00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:42,445
Speaker 2: With an older Alice, say to a younger Alice, or

556
00:28:42,445 --> 00:28:44,725
Speaker 2: maybe I should say an older Alets say to a

557
00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:51,765
Speaker 2: young Vince. You know Vincent Fernae, right? I think I

558
00:28:51,844 --> 00:28:54,084
Speaker 2: pronounced it wrung twice? It's gay?

559
00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:54,485
Speaker 1: Could be.

560
00:28:56,565 --> 00:29:01,045
Speaker 2: So? So Alice speaks to young Vince who has dreams

561
00:29:01,125 --> 00:29:05,164
Speaker 2: of success and fame and fortune and all that, and

562
00:29:05,245 --> 00:29:07,765
Speaker 2: now here you are, You've been there, You've lived it.

563
00:29:08,685 --> 00:29:11,245
Speaker 2: What advice would you give to a younger you? And really,

564
00:29:11,285 --> 00:29:14,084
Speaker 2: in effect, to someone that's watching right now who thinks

565
00:29:14,165 --> 00:29:15,165
Speaker 2: this is where it's at.

566
00:29:15,285 --> 00:29:16,725
Speaker 3: If I knew it was going to end up where

567
00:29:16,765 --> 00:29:18,604
Speaker 3: I was at at that point, I would say do

568
00:29:18,765 --> 00:29:20,765
Speaker 3: exactly what I did.

569
00:29:21,965 --> 00:29:23,205
Speaker 1: I became an alcoholic and.

570
00:29:23,205 --> 00:29:25,725
Speaker 3: A drug addict for a good reason. I didn't know

571
00:29:25,765 --> 00:29:27,805
Speaker 3: it was a good reason, but I didn't know God

572
00:29:27,925 --> 00:29:31,045
Speaker 3: was going to use it. I can now go into

573
00:29:31,084 --> 00:29:34,005
Speaker 3: a place and talk to kids about drugs and alcohol

574
00:29:34,885 --> 00:29:35,845
Speaker 3: and they can't say.

575
00:29:35,645 --> 00:29:36,604
Speaker 1: Well, what do you know about it?

576
00:29:36,685 --> 00:29:37,365
Speaker 2: Ye've been there.

577
00:29:37,405 --> 00:29:38,565
Speaker 1: I did everything.

578
00:29:39,005 --> 00:29:42,525
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been there. I almost died from everything that

579
00:29:42,604 --> 00:29:47,405
Speaker 3: I did. I can speak from experience now. I think

580
00:29:47,525 --> 00:29:53,205
Speaker 3: God used my alcoholism and my drug addiction and said, yeah,

581
00:29:53,245 --> 00:29:56,045
Speaker 3: you're going to go through this, but it's gonna be

582
00:29:56,084 --> 00:29:59,165
Speaker 3: something I can use later. And I sit here and

583
00:29:59,205 --> 00:30:01,645
Speaker 3: I go, I have no idea why you let me live? Yes,

584
00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:04,645
Speaker 3: except for this fact that I can. I can talk

585
00:30:04,685 --> 00:30:06,844
Speaker 3: about it now, and I can give him all the credit.

586
00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:11,245
Speaker 2: Yeah, are setback and turn into a setup, and God

587
00:30:11,285 --> 00:30:13,844
Speaker 2: can use it. And you speak from experience. I mean

588
00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:18,045
Speaker 2: the Apostle Paul was a brilliant orator and communicator, but

589
00:30:18,205 --> 00:30:20,884
Speaker 2: almost every time he spoke, he just told a story

590
00:30:21,205 --> 00:30:23,325
Speaker 2: like this is who I used to be. I hunted

591
00:30:23,325 --> 00:30:26,565
Speaker 2: down Christians, I killed them, and Jesus came to be

592
00:30:26,685 --> 00:30:29,285
Speaker 2: on the Damascus and he tells the story, and you

593
00:30:29,325 --> 00:30:31,965
Speaker 2: know there's there's power in his story. And you have

594
00:30:32,005 --> 00:30:36,364
Speaker 2: one of the most amazing stories I've ever heard. So

595
00:30:36,885 --> 00:30:40,565
Speaker 2: maybe there's a young person right now watching and they're

596
00:30:40,645 --> 00:30:43,724
Speaker 2: almost where you were, or maybe they are where you

597
00:30:43,805 --> 00:30:45,485
Speaker 2: were when you were in that room and you had

598
00:30:45,485 --> 00:30:49,204
Speaker 2: the dresses up blocking out the windows and you're at

599
00:30:49,245 --> 00:30:51,525
Speaker 2: the end. You've got a rock of cocaine, you've got

600
00:30:51,565 --> 00:30:55,005
Speaker 2: a gun, and what would you say to that person

601
00:30:55,125 --> 00:30:56,645
Speaker 2: right there, here's what you need to.

602
00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:58,405
Speaker 1: Do for one thing.

603
00:30:58,485 --> 00:31:01,045
Speaker 3: I don't know one drug addict that ever said, what

604
00:31:01,125 --> 00:31:04,884
Speaker 3: a great idea. It sounded like a great idea. And

605
00:31:04,925 --> 00:31:07,205
Speaker 3: you do get at that momentary buzz and you feel

606
00:31:07,245 --> 00:31:12,325
Speaker 3: a euphoric yeah, and you feel wonderful for a little while.

607
00:31:13,365 --> 00:31:16,765
Speaker 3: That euphoria turns normalcy.

608
00:31:16,925 --> 00:31:20,245
Speaker 1: You're in. You're in this euphoria. Here's normal.

609
00:31:20,844 --> 00:31:22,885
Speaker 3: You go up to the euphoria and you come back

610
00:31:22,925 --> 00:31:26,965
Speaker 3: down to normal pretty soon. You're living in euphoria. Normal

611
00:31:27,045 --> 00:31:31,685
Speaker 3: is depression. Depression is black depression. That's where suicide comes from.

612
00:31:32,405 --> 00:31:36,364
Speaker 3: I don't know one alcoholic or one in rock and

613
00:31:36,445 --> 00:31:38,364
Speaker 3: roll or in movies or anybody you've ever heard of

614
00:31:38,685 --> 00:31:43,485
Speaker 3: that said good idea. It's the most unfulfilling thing there is,

615
00:31:43,925 --> 00:31:48,645
Speaker 3: and yet Satan uses it pretty well because it's a thrill.

616
00:31:49,365 --> 00:31:51,364
Speaker 3: What you got, what you got to lose? You know,

617
00:31:51,445 --> 00:31:55,005
Speaker 3: here's a thrill, I would say to him. And the

618
00:31:55,084 --> 00:31:58,684
Speaker 3: kids are smarter enough than they used to be. Unfortunately,

619
00:31:58,685 --> 00:32:01,965
Speaker 3: their world is more dangerous now. When we were kids

620
00:32:02,245 --> 00:32:03,925
Speaker 3: if you've got in a fight, you got a black eye,

621
00:32:04,005 --> 00:32:08,205
Speaker 3: bloody nose, and next day a little respect. Now somebody

622
00:32:08,285 --> 00:32:11,005
Speaker 3: might drive by your house with a machine gun. When

623
00:32:11,045 --> 00:32:13,245
Speaker 3: we were kids, if you got in trouble with a girl,

624
00:32:13,285 --> 00:32:14,405
Speaker 3: you've got a penicillin shot.

625
00:32:14,925 --> 00:32:15,644
Speaker 1: Now you die.

626
00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:19,765
Speaker 3: The anties up on everything. So these kids have got

627
00:32:19,765 --> 00:32:22,604
Speaker 3: to be smarter. And I think kids can look at

628
00:32:22,725 --> 00:32:26,205
Speaker 3: at our drug problems and go.

629
00:32:27,485 --> 00:32:29,124
Speaker 1: I don't really want to get involved in that.

630
00:32:30,325 --> 00:32:32,045
Speaker 3: My thing I would say to them is, when you

631
00:32:32,045 --> 00:32:36,365
Speaker 3: hear that knocking at the door, answer the door. If

632
00:32:36,565 --> 00:32:39,525
Speaker 3: the Lord is knocking at your door, answer it.

633
00:32:39,525 --> 00:32:40,404
Speaker 1: It's the best thing.

634
00:32:40,285 --> 00:32:43,084
Speaker 3: That you could ever do, and you can avoid all

635
00:32:43,125 --> 00:32:46,965
Speaker 3: this insanity. You know, listen for the door.

636
00:32:48,445 --> 00:32:51,404
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Jesus summed it up perfectly when he

637
00:32:51,445 --> 00:32:54,765
Speaker 2: said the thieves, speaking of Satan, comes to steal, kill

638
00:32:54,844 --> 00:32:57,724
Speaker 2: and destroy. But I have come, and you might have

639
00:32:57,805 --> 00:33:00,604
Speaker 2: life and that were abundantly, you know. The Lord says

640
00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:03,525
Speaker 2: in scripture, behold, I said before you life and death,

641
00:33:03,604 --> 00:33:08,045
Speaker 2: blessings their curses whom you will serve. So it's a choice.

642
00:33:08,045 --> 00:33:09,604
Speaker 2: But then I left how that verse goes on to

643
00:33:09,645 --> 00:33:12,525
Speaker 2: say choose live. So it's almost like the Lord's saying, Okay,

644
00:33:12,565 --> 00:33:15,645
Speaker 2: here's the test, here's the correct answer on the test.

645
00:33:15,805 --> 00:33:18,884
Speaker 2: Make this choice. But it's up to us, isn't it.

646
00:33:18,885 --> 00:33:21,565
Speaker 2: He's not going to force us to believe. You didn't

647
00:33:21,604 --> 00:33:23,485
Speaker 2: have to turn back to the Lord. You could have

648
00:33:23,604 --> 00:33:26,445
Speaker 2: continued on that course, and quite frankly, you could have

649
00:33:26,485 --> 00:33:29,925
Speaker 2: been another tragic rock and roll story.

650
00:33:30,005 --> 00:33:32,645
Speaker 3: I was as close as anybody ever came. Yeah, when

651
00:33:32,685 --> 00:33:35,165
Speaker 3: I went into the hospital, doctor said, you'll give you

652
00:33:35,245 --> 00:33:39,645
Speaker 3: a month before you're joining your buddies, because I mean,

653
00:33:40,885 --> 00:33:42,565
Speaker 3: you just can't treat your body like that. And on

654
00:33:42,565 --> 00:33:45,485
Speaker 3: top of it, I'm touring, so it's a constant flow,

655
00:33:45,965 --> 00:33:49,965
Speaker 3: constant energy, constant is constant party, and that sounds like fun.

656
00:33:50,005 --> 00:33:50,844
Speaker 1: A constant party.

657
00:33:51,925 --> 00:33:54,005
Speaker 3: Got to a point where I would go backstage and

658
00:33:54,005 --> 00:33:56,404
Speaker 3: look at my stage costume and start crying because I

659
00:33:56,485 --> 00:33:58,485
Speaker 3: knew what I had, what I had to do to

660
00:33:58,485 --> 00:34:04,045
Speaker 3: get into that costume to perform was now depression. It

661
00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:06,685
Speaker 3: wasn't fun like it used to be, and it wasn't

662
00:34:06,725 --> 00:34:11,485
Speaker 3: because of the Alice character. Alice had was not the villain.

663
00:34:12,045 --> 00:34:15,325
Speaker 3: Alice wasn't the problem. I was the problem. Alice was

664
00:34:15,405 --> 00:34:18,365
Speaker 3: kind of the relief Because Alice didn't drink on stage.

665
00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:22,685
Speaker 3: Alice didn't do drugs on stage. I was the one that,

666
00:34:23,325 --> 00:34:26,885
Speaker 3: you know, mister doctor Juckle was the problem, not mister Hyde.

667
00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:33,965
Speaker 3: And really the only cure I had was Jesus, you know,

668
00:34:34,285 --> 00:34:36,965
Speaker 3: and the fact that I can still go out and

669
00:34:36,965 --> 00:34:39,165
Speaker 3: play the character, and I can still go out and

670
00:34:39,205 --> 00:34:45,445
Speaker 3: do the shows and have fun doing it and know

671
00:34:45,565 --> 00:34:48,565
Speaker 3: that I'm still helping people out in a way. You know,

672
00:34:48,845 --> 00:34:51,045
Speaker 3: people that you can look at it and say, well,

673
00:34:51,485 --> 00:34:54,485
Speaker 3: I get letters like this. If you can stop drinking,

674
00:34:55,645 --> 00:34:58,085
Speaker 3: well I can. As I said to Keith Richards, you know,

675
00:34:58,125 --> 00:35:03,405
Speaker 3: if you can stop well, then everybody can. So God

676
00:35:03,445 --> 00:35:08,245
Speaker 3: made me that that exception, you know, where he said

677
00:35:08,285 --> 00:35:10,605
Speaker 3: you are going to be known for this and then

678
00:35:10,805 --> 00:35:13,405
Speaker 3: you're not going to do it anymore. People will look

679
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:16,725
Speaker 3: at that and go, wow, there's hope I can come

680
00:35:16,765 --> 00:35:19,245
Speaker 3: out of this. And then I think, once you get sobered,

681
00:35:19,245 --> 00:35:22,605
Speaker 3: then you can start recognizing Christ. It's very hard to

682
00:35:22,645 --> 00:35:27,005
Speaker 3: recognize Christ when you're high.

683
00:35:25,925 --> 00:35:26,924
Speaker 1: Because everything's fine.

684
00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:29,205
Speaker 3: Then you know, it's when you're sober is when you

685
00:35:29,205 --> 00:35:33,085
Speaker 3: start going what's important now? Oh, I need to go

686
00:35:33,125 --> 00:35:35,885
Speaker 3: after the light. I don't need to go after this anymore.

687
00:35:35,885 --> 00:35:37,565
Speaker 3: I don't need another car.

688
00:35:38,365 --> 00:35:38,605
Speaker 1: You know.

689
00:35:39,045 --> 00:35:41,165
Speaker 2: You said, there's like Alice Cooper on your list, is

690
00:35:41,205 --> 00:35:44,765
Speaker 2: like fourth down on the list. What's number one, two, three?

691
00:35:44,805 --> 00:35:47,605
Speaker 3: Well, I think your relationship with christ is the number

692
00:35:47,605 --> 00:35:52,725
Speaker 3: one thing. Of course your family. My family are all Christian.

693
00:35:53,565 --> 00:35:53,805
Speaker 2: You know.

694
00:35:53,965 --> 00:35:57,285
Speaker 3: My wife is just I mean, she's like walking in

695
00:35:57,325 --> 00:36:02,325
Speaker 3: a Bible herself, and yet she plays Mademoiselle Guillotine on stage,

696
00:36:02,365 --> 00:36:08,045
Speaker 3: and she plays all these characters. The kids are all

697
00:36:08,365 --> 00:36:11,125
Speaker 3: in show business, but they're all Christians.

698
00:36:11,805 --> 00:36:12,005
Speaker 2: You know.

699
00:36:12,165 --> 00:36:14,285
Speaker 3: So when people say to you, they say who are you?

700
00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:17,965
Speaker 3: I go, well, first, I'm a child of God. Second

701
00:36:17,965 --> 00:36:21,445
Speaker 3: of all, I'm a rock band. You know, it's not

702
00:36:21,605 --> 00:36:24,005
Speaker 3: I'm Alice Cooper, the rock singer, and I'm a Christian.

703
00:36:25,525 --> 00:36:28,485
Speaker 3: The priority is that I'm a child of God. Oh

704
00:36:28,525 --> 00:36:30,605
Speaker 3: and then I'm a rock singer and I do this,

705
00:36:30,685 --> 00:36:33,565
Speaker 3: and I'm a father and I'm a husband. You know,

706
00:36:33,685 --> 00:36:36,285
Speaker 3: So in that order, I think is really who you are?

707
00:36:37,645 --> 00:36:40,045
Speaker 3: You know, if that doesn't come first, or something wrong.

708
00:36:41,445 --> 00:36:44,765
Speaker 2: I watched a documentary called Roadrunner about the life of

709
00:36:44,805 --> 00:36:48,645
Speaker 2: Anthony Bourdain, and Bourdain, you know, was a celebrity chef.

710
00:36:48,685 --> 00:36:54,085
Speaker 2: You had the best selling cookbook called Kitchen Confidential. Then

711
00:36:54,085 --> 00:36:56,845
Speaker 2: he got his TV show on CNN Parts Unknown. It

712
00:36:56,885 --> 00:37:01,005
Speaker 2: was actually a really beautifully shot show. He traveled the world.

713
00:37:01,805 --> 00:37:04,685
Speaker 2: He would often ask people what makes you happy? He

714
00:37:04,725 --> 00:37:06,925
Speaker 2: interacted with the lot of people, lived a life that

715
00:37:06,965 --> 00:37:10,845
Speaker 2: many would dream of. But in this film was so

716
00:37:10,965 --> 00:37:14,485
Speaker 2: much footage to draw from his life. He almost tells

717
00:37:14,525 --> 00:37:17,445
Speaker 2: the story in real time because it's his voice telling

718
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:21,445
Speaker 2: his own stories. That's unfolding. And at one point, Anthony

719
00:37:21,445 --> 00:37:24,245
Speaker 2: Bourdain is on a beach with Iggy Pop, who you know,

720
00:37:25,045 --> 00:37:27,165
Speaker 2: and so they're talking, and then the next thing, they're

721
00:37:27,205 --> 00:37:31,845
Speaker 2: in a restaurant. Anthony asks Iggy what thrills you? And

722
00:37:31,925 --> 00:37:35,045
Speaker 2: I thought Iggy Pop's answer was really interesting. He says,

723
00:37:35,125 --> 00:37:37,885
Speaker 2: this is really embarrassing. And I found that interesting that

724
00:37:38,645 --> 00:37:41,165
Speaker 2: this is embarrassing, almost like you wouldn't expect me to

725
00:37:41,205 --> 00:37:45,045
Speaker 2: say this, But it's being loved and actually appreciating the

726
00:37:45,125 --> 00:37:49,725
Speaker 2: people that are giving that love to me. And Anthony

727
00:37:49,765 --> 00:37:52,605
Speaker 2: Bourdain looked a little surprised, almost like he didn't know

728
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:55,925
Speaker 2: what to do with that. But that sounds like Iggy's

729
00:37:55,965 --> 00:37:56,605
Speaker 2: onto something.

730
00:37:56,805 --> 00:38:00,445
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's seen the world. He's seen all

731
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:00,645
Speaker 1: of it.

732
00:38:00,685 --> 00:38:02,805
Speaker 3: I grew up with Igy pretty much in Detroit, you know,

733
00:38:03,125 --> 00:38:08,125
Speaker 3: in those days, and we partied harder than anybody. But

734
00:38:08,205 --> 00:38:11,525
Speaker 3: there comes that point in your life where when you're

735
00:38:11,605 --> 00:38:14,365
Speaker 3: lying in bed somewhere in Wichita on a tour bus,

736
00:38:14,765 --> 00:38:16,125
Speaker 3: where you go, what is this about?

737
00:38:17,165 --> 00:38:17,365
Speaker 2: You know?

738
00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:19,085
Speaker 1: Is this really?

739
00:38:19,125 --> 00:38:20,405
Speaker 2: It is? This old? There is?

740
00:38:20,405 --> 00:38:23,685
Speaker 1: There's that song? Is that older is? Because it can't be.

741
00:38:24,765 --> 00:38:26,405
Speaker 1: There must be something better than this.

742
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:31,005
Speaker 3: And I think that's when you start hearing the Lord knocking,

743
00:38:32,325 --> 00:38:37,165
Speaker 3: because you know there's nobody on this planet that's that

744
00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:40,924
Speaker 3: he hasn't knocked on the door. You know again, you said,

745
00:38:40,965 --> 00:38:46,765
Speaker 3: we have a choice. Do we keep pursuing what's in

746
00:38:46,805 --> 00:38:52,005
Speaker 3: the world? Seek me and everything will be added to you.

747
00:38:52,005 --> 00:38:58,485
Speaker 3: You know, when I started proclaiming Christ, everybody thought, well

748
00:38:58,525 --> 00:39:02,085
Speaker 3: that's the end of Alice Cooper. We have never done better.

749
00:39:03,925 --> 00:39:07,725
Speaker 3: I mean on every level since I have proclaimed Christ.

750
00:39:08,685 --> 00:39:11,365
Speaker 1: It should have gone the other way. It should have

751
00:39:11,405 --> 00:39:13,125
Speaker 1: absolutely ruined my career well.

752
00:39:13,165 --> 00:39:17,165
Speaker 2: Especially because of a persona and a trajectory that people

753
00:39:17,245 --> 00:39:20,685
Speaker 2: may perceive that you're on, but in reality they don't realize.

754
00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:23,805
Speaker 2: It's a performance. You take on the role of a character,

755
00:39:24,565 --> 00:39:29,445
Speaker 2: but you've redeemed it and turned it around to use

756
00:39:29,605 --> 00:39:31,645
Speaker 2: as a tool for good.

757
00:39:31,805 --> 00:39:36,485
Speaker 3: I think that's how it's been used. You know, My

758
00:39:37,165 --> 00:39:42,365
Speaker 3: show has always been a good against evil. Alice plays

759
00:39:42,645 --> 00:39:46,645
Speaker 3: the villain, and what happens to him. He gets his

760
00:39:46,645 --> 00:39:49,125
Speaker 3: head cut off, because the bad guy's always got to

761
00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:51,765
Speaker 3: get his head cut off. And then what happens He

762
00:39:51,845 --> 00:39:58,445
Speaker 3: comes back, white top hat and tail balloons, and he's redeemed.

763
00:40:00,405 --> 00:40:03,645
Speaker 3: And just that simplicity of that is.

764
00:40:05,565 --> 00:40:06,005
Speaker 1: Connective.

765
00:40:06,005 --> 00:40:11,285
Speaker 3: People go, oh, he can be redeemed, he's not.

766
00:40:11,805 --> 00:40:12,605
Speaker 1: They can't kill him.

767
00:40:12,805 --> 00:40:14,445
Speaker 3: Well, you can kill his body, but you're not going

768
00:40:14,445 --> 00:40:18,485
Speaker 3: to kill his spirit, you know. And that's always been

769
00:40:18,525 --> 00:40:22,485
Speaker 3: the ongoing theme of Alice Cooper has been redemption.

770
00:40:22,605 --> 00:40:26,365
Speaker 2: At the end, Alice, could you define what redemption is

771
00:40:26,405 --> 00:40:26,725
Speaker 2: to you?

772
00:40:27,605 --> 00:40:32,365
Speaker 3: Well, none of us deserve redemption. But Christ on the cross,

773
00:40:33,525 --> 00:40:38,685
Speaker 3: if that blood is the most precious thing, that is

774
00:40:38,725 --> 00:40:43,485
Speaker 3: your redemption. He was the perfect sacrifice. There's no sacrifice

775
00:40:43,525 --> 00:40:46,485
Speaker 3: we could make that would be better than the Son

776
00:40:46,525 --> 00:40:51,445
Speaker 3: of God dying for you, understanding your sin, understanding that

777
00:40:51,525 --> 00:40:54,685
Speaker 3: you're going to sin after that, and yet still paying

778
00:40:54,685 --> 00:41:01,845
Speaker 3: the price. What possible else could you do? You can't do.

779
00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:06,404
Speaker 3: You can't ever repay that. And once you realize that

780
00:41:06,765 --> 00:41:11,085
Speaker 3: then you are connected to the Lord. He has taken

781
00:41:11,085 --> 00:41:14,925
Speaker 3: a residence in your life, and now he's with you

782
00:41:14,965 --> 00:41:19,045
Speaker 3: at every moment, and you make mistakes. The craziest thing

783
00:41:19,045 --> 00:41:23,405
Speaker 3: I've ever heard is people being anxious about, well, I

784
00:41:23,445 --> 00:41:24,685
Speaker 3: can't go to that church because.

785
00:41:24,445 --> 00:41:25,405
Speaker 1: There's so many hypocrites.

786
00:41:26,165 --> 00:41:28,405
Speaker 3: Well, the church is not based on the hypocrites.

787
00:41:29,245 --> 00:41:30,085
Speaker 1: The family of God.

788
00:41:30,125 --> 00:41:32,884
Speaker 3: We try not to, but we make mistakes and we sin.

789
00:41:34,005 --> 00:41:36,485
Speaker 3: The church is based on the one that didn't sin,

790
00:41:37,805 --> 00:41:39,085
Speaker 3: the ultimate sacrifice.

791
00:41:39,085 --> 00:41:40,125
Speaker 1: We all look to him.

792
00:41:40,205 --> 00:41:44,205
Speaker 3: That's what the church is based on. And we're imperfect,

793
00:41:45,165 --> 00:41:47,205
Speaker 3: but he was perfect, and that's why he was the

794
00:41:47,205 --> 00:41:51,325
Speaker 3: perfect sacrifice. So redemption is giving into that and saying, Lord,

795
00:41:51,445 --> 00:41:52,165
Speaker 3: you're right here.

796
00:41:52,205 --> 00:41:53,925
Speaker 1: I am exactly.

797
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:56,365
Speaker 2: When Jesus has tied on the cross, he said it

798
00:41:56,445 --> 00:41:59,085
Speaker 2: is finished. It was a complete payment. It was like,

799
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,245
Speaker 2: here's the down payment, we'll work out the rest later.

800
00:42:01,565 --> 00:42:04,765
Speaker 2: A complete payment. And the word finished is interesting. That

801
00:42:04,805 --> 00:42:08,165
Speaker 2: comes from a singing word to tell us that, which

802
00:42:08,205 --> 00:42:12,445
Speaker 2: means it's completed, it's accomplished, it's done. You know, like

803
00:42:12,485 --> 00:42:15,565
Speaker 2: the old song says Jesus paid it all all to him,

804
00:42:15,605 --> 00:42:15,924
Speaker 2: I owe.

805
00:42:16,205 --> 00:42:17,205
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

806
00:42:17,245 --> 00:42:22,045
Speaker 3: There's no way of repaying God back except for acceptance,

807
00:42:22,925 --> 00:42:26,285
Speaker 3: you know. And and again we go and we live

808
00:42:26,365 --> 00:42:30,884
Speaker 3: this life and we're in an everyday situation where everything.

809
00:42:30,645 --> 00:42:32,965
Speaker 1: Comes at us in a million ways. How do you

810
00:42:32,965 --> 00:42:35,565
Speaker 1: deal with it? Well, you lean on Christ.

811
00:42:36,365 --> 00:42:39,884
Speaker 2: We're so thankful for how you speak up for your

812
00:42:39,925 --> 00:42:43,045
Speaker 2: faith and taking the time to even do this interview.

813
00:42:43,085 --> 00:42:44,005
Speaker 2: I want to thank you for that.

814
00:42:44,285 --> 00:42:47,925
Speaker 3: Well, you know, for you, I feel a connection with you.

815
00:42:48,005 --> 00:42:51,445
Speaker 3: Everything we talked about, from Mad magazines to bullet mustangs, Yes,

816
00:42:51,565 --> 00:42:52,725
Speaker 3: to West Side Story.

817
00:42:52,805 --> 00:42:54,685
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're pretty connected.

818
00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:56,565
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, totally