1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how Easter morning feels light and bright. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily because the sunrise seems extra colorfuler because 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: the church lilies release their fragrance. It's because something shifts 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: inside us and whispers, hope is still alive. This hope 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: isn't fragile, and it doesn't evaporate when bills pile up, 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: or when anxiety keeps you awake at night, or when 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: the ache you prayed would be gone is still there. 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: We're talking about resurrection hope, the nitty gritty kind that 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: Jesus bought for us the moment he walked out of 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: the tomb. Easter has everything to do with the battles 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: happening in our minds and emotions today. We are talking 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: about the kind of hope that transforms us. It's not 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: the pastel colored nor is it the once a year 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: kind of hope, but in everyday hope. Welcome to your 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: hope filled perspective, where it's our goal to restore hope, 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: renew minds, and empower listeners to live in your God 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: given identity. I'm your host, Doctor Michelle bankson Board, certified 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: clinical neuropsychologist, author, speaker, and companion on this journey to 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: emotional and spiritual wellness. I'm delighted you've chosen to spend 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: a few moments of your week with us. Today we 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: are going to be talking about how Easter transforms our 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,639 Speaker 2: mental and emotional battles when we live in resurrection. Hope. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: We'll dive into this right after this brief word from 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: our sponsor. Today we're exploring how to live in resurrection, Hope, 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: not just to celebrate it. We want to talk about 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: how Easter transforms our emotional and mental struggles. Shame, stress, anxiety, discouragement, 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: fear or depression does not get the final word. Jesus 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: didn't just rise for the world. He rose for you, 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: for the battle in your chest, the thoughts that don't 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: have an off button, and for those dark places that 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: still shout lies direction. Isn't only a historical and theological event, 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: It's a mental and emotional revolution. Romans eight eleven says, 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: And if the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: from the dead will also give life to your mortal 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: bodies because of His spirit who lives in you. Let's 38 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: let that verse settle in our hearts and minds. The 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: power that resurrected a dead body is the same power 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: God places in our inner Christian world to bring back 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: to life, hope, peace and joy when they feel gone. 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: Yet Christians often live like Easter is a spiritual anniversary, 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: not their present reality. We celebrate the resurrection, but then 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: we go back to living mentally exhausted, emotionally beat up, 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: and spiritually discouraged. So joining me in this conversation today 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: about the power of resurrection hope is my co host 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: Jessica Nrukohl. Welcome back, jess Thanks. 48 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: I'm so glad to be here, and I'm excited to 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: talk about this this topic I feel really strongly about 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: because I see in my work as pastor and at 51 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: our church, I see so many people who show up 52 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: for Easter or Christmas, and then I don't see them again, 53 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: and I miss them, and I keep thinking what they're missing, 54 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: and it makes me sad. And so that's why today 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: is such a good topic. You see, once Easter is over, 56 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: it's like we forget that the resurrection means nothing is 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 3: too broken for God to restore, or that our story 58 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: is never finished even on our worst day, and that 59 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: defeat doesn't have to be our last chapter. When we're 60 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: anxious or overwhelmed, we can often think we shouldn't feel 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: that way because we're Christian. We shame ourselves into thinking 62 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: we should be stronger. But living in resurrection hope meets 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: us right in the struggle. 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: Oh exactly. Easter isn't a bandage. It's really a breakthrough, 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: and it announces the defeat of mental and emotional battles. 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: Get practical, and let's explore what resurrection hope looks like 67 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: in our emotional battles. Just share a time when the 68 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: nitty gritty hope of the resurrection met you in an 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: emotional battle. 70 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: Bills create a lot of anxiety in me, just the 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: whole making ends meet, living paycheck to paycheck. I used 72 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: to say I could squeeze two pennies together and get 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: another halfpenny to come out of it. I mean, I 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: was was frugal and I was smart with what we 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: had each month. But every time tax season rolled around, 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: I would lose sleep and I would worry, and I 77 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: would wonder do we have enough tax detections? If we 78 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 3: don't and we have to pay the irs something, how 79 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: are we going to do that where's that money going 80 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: to come from? And it would just consume me, like 81 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: consume my thoughts. And I finally had to ask myself 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: if the worst case scenario happened and everything fell apart, 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: where would God be? And the Resurrection Hope has taught 84 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: me to say that even if we're destitute, even if 85 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: I can't pay that bill, even if all hope is lost, 86 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: I know that God can raise it again. Resurrection hope 87 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: doesn't promise me an easy life, but it does promise 88 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: me God's presence, which then settles my anxious heart. 89 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: I like your attitude of even if because most of 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: us are living in the midst of some kind of 91 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: even if. Right now. It's that tension between knowing that 92 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: Jesus said, in this world you will experience trouble, but 93 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: take heart because I've overcome the world. That reminds me 94 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: that resurrection hope means the darkness is not permanent. You 95 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: and I did an episode about a year ago about 96 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: what it must have been like to be the Disciples 97 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: on Friday when Jesus was killed, on Saturday when they 98 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: were all alone without their masters, and then Sunday when 99 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: Jesus was resurrected. The disciples thought that Saturday's silence must 100 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: have meant that God was done, but he was really 101 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: working behind the scenes. And I think that's a perspective 102 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: for all of us to keep, because in the midst 103 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: of even if it can feel like God is silent, 104 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: it can feel like God's not working. It can feel 105 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: like maybe we got it all wrong, or it could 106 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 2: feel like maybe God's not even there anymore. I remember 107 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: feeling way down over a decade ago by depression, and 108 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: that was such a dark season in my life, and 109 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: there was so much shame attached to it because I'm 110 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: the doctor. I've treated thousands and thousands of patients in 111 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: my career with depression, and yet there was shame because 112 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: I didn't keep depression from coming upon me, when in reality, 113 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: we can all be targets of depression, anxiety, fear, discouragement, 114 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: and most definitely shame. And I remember when I was 115 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: physically bedridden for five months. That's when the depression really 116 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: got a foothold, and I remember thinking, if this is 117 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: going to be my life, I'm not sure that I 118 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: want to continue living because it was so dark and 119 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: I could see no way out of my own making. 120 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: But God reminded me that his light breaks through any 121 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: darkness that I feel. But it's a matter of will 122 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: we stay there in His presence even while we're waiting 123 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: to see that resurrection hope. Yeah, Friends, we'll continue our 124 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: conversation about how Easter transforms our mental and emotional battle 125 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: by living in resurrection hope after we take this brief 126 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: word from our sponsor. Welcome back to your hope filled perspective. Today, 127 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: Jessica and I are talking about how Easter transforms our 128 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: mental and emotional battle by living in resurrection Hope. This 129 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: makes me think about shame. Shame is one of those 130 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: things that most of us carry. Maybe we made a 131 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: mistake and we called ourself a mistake. Maybe someone else 132 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: is a master at laying shame on our shoulders. And 133 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Jessica, but shame grows really heavy. 134 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: But the empty tomb of Easter is really in many 135 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: ways like God's megaphone, saying shame doesn't get to define you. 136 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: Jesus didn't walk out of that grave dragging your failures 137 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: behind him. 138 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: That picture that you just painted makes me think of 139 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: a song that we sing in church. There's a part 140 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: that talks about how Jesus broke our heavy chains and 141 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: left them in the grave. Now, if he left them there, 142 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: then why do we go back in and pick them 143 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: up again? Once we receive Christ as our savior and Lord, 144 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: he makes us new. Shame and sin don't determine who 145 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: we are. Instead, we're beloved by God, chosen by Him 146 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: for a purpose. 147 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: Friends, if you didn't hear the episode that we recorded 148 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: last year about the bleakness of good Friday, the wilderness 149 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: of Saturday, and the victory of Sunday, I would encourage 150 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: you to go back to listen to it. We'll put 151 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: that episode in the show notes. But in thinking about 152 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: that episode and then what we wanted to share with 153 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: you this year, Resurrection Hope speaks to discouragement, and it 154 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 2: tells us that God writes better endings, and every disappointment 155 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: is just Friday, but every breakthrough is Sunday. Easter transforms 156 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: our mental and emotional battles with discouragement because Resurrection Hope 157 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: teaches us to wait for God's ability to turn things 158 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: into new beginnings. 159 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: I love that so much. In fact, I have a 160 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: quote by C. S. Lewis hanging on my wall in 161 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: my living room. That says that you can't go back 162 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: and change the beginning, but you can change the ending, 163 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: and it reminds me that I'm gonna make mistakes. I'm 164 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: we always want to do over right, but in reality 165 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: we don't really get doovers because what's done is done. 166 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: But we can at this moment change how the ending 167 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 3: is going to be. Whether it's okay, I chose bitterness 168 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: over forgiveness. Oh well, then from this point on, I'm 169 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: going to choose forgiveness. I'm going to work on forgiveness, 170 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: because forgiveness this can be hard, right, It's easy to 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: stay in that bitter place, but forgiveness that's where the 172 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: freedom comes. And this quote you can't go back and 173 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: change the beginning, but you can change the ending reminds 174 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: me that because of the hope I have in Jesus 175 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: Christ and what his resurrection accomplished, I can have a 176 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: different and better ending. We can remember that if the 177 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: grave didn't stop Jesus, our discouragement can't stop the story 178 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: God is writing in our lives. 179 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: That's so good, Okay, So let's turn our attention to 180 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: bringing resurrection hope into our daily rhythms now as we 181 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: talked about before the break, so often we appreciate Easter 182 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: on the day, but by the time Monday rolls around, 183 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: we're back to living the same life that we lived 184 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: before Good Friday. So let's bring that resurrection hope into 185 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: our daily rhythms. The first thing I would suggest is 186 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: to rehearse the resurrection every morning, not just on Easter. 187 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: Take every sunrise as a mini resurrection power. When you 188 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: wake up, whisper something like the same power that raised 189 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: Jesus lives in me today. What this does is it 190 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: helps reset your mental lens inside your brain. Instead of 191 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: waking up thinking I'm overwhelmed. What if we started the 192 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: day thinking God has equipped me for anything I will 193 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: face today. 194 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: That's powerful. I love the idea of when we see 195 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: a sunrise to remember that Easter sunrise. Long time ago, 196 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: I used to wake up so early and my husband 197 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: and I would take our little family to sunrise service. Well, 198 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: you know, in the spring, it's like seven am, but 199 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: at five am, I'm usually sleeping. But what if what 200 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: if this year we made a point to see the 201 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 3: sunrise and to remember, Wow, that that same power lives 202 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: in me. I think it would change. I think it 203 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: would really change our everyday moments now. Second, we want 204 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: to fight thoughts with truth and not willpower. Will power 205 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: says try harder, or pull yourself up by the bootstraps, 206 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: or keep a stiff upper lip. And maybe where you're 207 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: from you have different sayings that tell you to just 208 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 3: buck up right or as my sometimes I would tell 209 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: my kids, suck it up, buttercup. But you see, resurrection 210 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: Hope says to lean on the Holy Spirit and sewod. Corinthians, 211 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: Chapter twelve, verse ten says that is why, for Christ's sake, 212 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: I delight in weaknesses and insults, in hardships, in persecutions, 213 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. 214 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: You see, will power is relying on our own strength. Right, 215 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: this verse that Paul writes talks about celebrating our weaknesses, 216 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: not because we're weak, but because we're relying on God's 217 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: strength and power. So in that thought, that depressed thought, 218 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: or that anxious thought comes, we can respond with resurrection 219 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: truth that if Jesus can conquer death, he can handle 220 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: the fears, anxiety, and depression that we're dealing with today. 221 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: The third recommendation I would make is to let God 222 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: rewrite the meaning of our pain. The Cross was the 223 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: worst tragedy in history, yet God made it the doorway 224 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: for us to have victory. I talk about sacred scars 225 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: and how God doesn't waste our pain, and I think 226 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: it's so important for us to remember that our pain 227 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: is not pointless or purposeless. Resurrection hope looks for God's 228 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: fingerprints even in the places we would rather escape. Quite frankly, 229 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: our pain can help someone else see purpose in their pain. 230 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: Send Corinthians two three through five reminds us Praise be 231 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: to the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ, 232 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 233 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we 234 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: can comfort those in trouble with the comfort we ourselves 235 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: received from God. For just as we share abundantly in 236 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. 237 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: So resurrection hope looks for God's fingerprints even in those 238 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: places we would rather avoid. 239 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: Let's just sit here for that, with that, just for 240 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: a moment. Resurrection Hope looks for God's fingerprints even in 241 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: places we'd rather avoid. I don't know about you, but 242 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: I like to run away from pain. And what this 243 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: is really calling us to is to sit in our 244 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: pain with God looking for evidence of him. And I 245 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: can promise you that even if it doesn't look like it, 246 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: he's there. So forth, let's expect God to bring life 247 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: from dead places. Many of us carry secrets in our 248 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: hearts where we've given up hope. Maybe it's that relationship, 249 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: Maybe it could be our emotional health. We've been struggling 250 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: for so long that we think that, well, this just 251 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: must be my life. Or maybe we've lost our purpose 252 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: and we've given up that. Well, I guess I'm just 253 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: going to exist. I don't really have purpose. But God 254 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: brings dead things back to life, and I love the 255 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: truth found in Isaiah forty three to nineteen. It says 256 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: that see, I am doing a new thing. Now it 257 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: springs up. Do you not perceive it? I am making 258 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: a way in the wilderness and streams in the wasteland. 259 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: God is making a way, and that means he's working 260 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: where we cannot see him. He's working in our hearts 261 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: and in our perspectives. He's working where we feel dry 262 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: and where we feel like there's barrenness and there's no 263 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: place there's absolutely no way that life could grow. He's 264 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: making a way to bring life back. Michelle Ware, have 265 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: you've seen God bring life back to your heart? Well? 266 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: If I go back to that story that I was 267 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: sharing about the darkest time in my life, what I 268 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: didn't share is that when I felt so desperate, I 269 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: was very honest with God and I told him I 270 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: didn't like the position I was in. I didn't want 271 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: this to be my life. I didn't want this to 272 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: be my experience. But if I had to go through it, 273 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: I wanted it to count for something. I wanted something 274 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: good to come out of it. Being on bed rest 275 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: for five months and not being able to be the 276 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: doctor and help other people was really difficult because I 277 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: found myself even asking, so what purpose do I have 278 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: if I can't be that person, if I can't do 279 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 2: what I know I was called to do, what value 280 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: do I have? Out of that desperate time came my 281 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: book Hope Prevails, Insights from a doctor's personal journey through depression. 282 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: The Lord taught me so much about himself. The Lord 283 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: revealed lies that I had been believing about myself, and 284 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: he showed me that when we're addressing emotional battles, like anxiety, depression, discouragement, shame. 285 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: We cannot afford to discount the spiritual aspect because we 286 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: live in a physical world, but there's also a spiritual 287 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: world going on, and we don't wrestle against flesh and blood. 288 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: And I can tell you that had I not gone 289 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: through that dark time of depression, that book was already 290 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: contracted before I fell into the pit. So had I 291 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: not experienced the darkness of depression, that book would have 292 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: been very cold and sterile and clinical and quite frankly, 293 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: probably not very helpful. 294 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Right. 295 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: But because I went through it, and because the Lord 296 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: opened my eyes to aspects of the healing that I 297 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: hadn't previously considered. Now when people read it, I get 298 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: emails or I get reviews of people saying, you can 299 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: tell she's gone through it, because it's like she's reading 300 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: my mail. And that is the good that came out 301 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: of a very dark time. That was when God brought 302 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: life back, because he answered my prayer and he brought 303 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: good out of it. But it doesn't mean that we 304 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: want to experience pain. But it goes back to what 305 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: we were saying earlier, just about look looking for God's 306 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: fingerprints in the midst of the desert. Can you share 307 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: a time when you let God rewrite your pain? 308 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I was sitting here listening to you share 309 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: your story, and I was thinking about how God really 310 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: doesn't waste anything if we give it to him. Right, 311 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: we could just hold our pain and keep it close 312 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: to our heart and never let him have access. But 313 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: then then we never experience his comfort, and then we're 314 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 3: not able to comfort others. I was sitting here thinking 315 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: about my issues, and I call it issues because it 316 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: was really an unhealthy relationship with people's approval and chasing 317 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: after it like chasing the wind. And let me tell 318 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: you what, you can't catch the wind, and you're never 319 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: going to catch people's approval. And yet I desperately wanted 320 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: people's approval, desperately wanted people's approval so much so then 321 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to age myself here. But there was a 322 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: character a Gumby, and he could. 323 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: You might have to explain Gumby for our younger audience. 324 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: Well, Gumby was a character that you could just twist 325 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: his arms and twist his legs to whatever shape you 326 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: wanted him to be. I would do that to myself 327 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: in order to gain someone's approval. Two things happened. Number One, 328 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: it created a lot of pain because no matter how 329 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: much I changed myself or how perfect I tried to be, 330 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: I still experienced rejection. And then secondly, it really made 331 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: me lose sight of who God intended me to be 332 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: and wanted me to be. And so I like to 333 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: say this that I spent probably my twenties, my first 334 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: we'll just say, thirty years of my life trying to 335 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: figure out what people wanted from me. And then there 336 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: was a time where I was so tangled up that 337 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: God would and it hurt. I'm just going to say, 338 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: it really hurt to be rejected, and it would hurt 339 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: to almost make myself invisible in order to be perfect 340 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: for whoever's approval I was chasing after. But the true 341 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: pain ended up is because I started expecting that God 342 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: needed me to be perfect, and then I would place 343 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 3: all these expectations on myself, and then I would feel 344 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 3: further and further away from God. And if there isn't 345 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: that the most painful thing that I think I've ever 346 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 3: experienced is probably when I felt rejected by God. And 347 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: instead what he showed me is that I was actually 348 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: rejecting myself, and in that rejecting of myself, I was 349 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: pulling myself further away from Him. So when I really 350 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: realized the power that rejection had over me and how 351 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: it was really harming my relationship with the Lord, he 352 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: took me on this journey of about four to five 353 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: months where he just peeled the layers of scar tissue 354 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: off my heart. And that hurts, right, that's painful. But 355 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 3: what came out of it was this new understanding of rejection, 356 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: and this new understanding of placing God's approval is my 357 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: top priority. And when I do that, I'm able to 358 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: live this open, armed life towards people who could approve 359 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: of me or reject me. And in so doing, I've 360 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: been able to write a book reframing rejection. How looking 361 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: through a different lens changes everything, because if we're looking 362 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: at things through biblical worldview that isn't clouded by our 363 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: opinion or our pain, we're then able to see people's 364 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: approval and rejection through completely different lens, where no longer 365 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 3: do we have to experience that life altering pain. That 366 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: can change how we relate to others, ourselves, and God. 367 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: And I've been able to comfort others. I've been able 368 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: to walk other people through friendship breakdowns, parent and child relationships, 369 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: and it's been a glorious witness of God's work in 370 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 3: my life of where I experienced comfort just like Sewod 371 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: Corinthian says, and then I've been able to comfort others. 372 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: That is resurrection hope. That is getting through the darkness 373 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: of Friday, walking through the wilderness of Saturday, and getting 374 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: to the victory of Sunday. 375 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 376 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: Friends, we're going to take a short break for a 377 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: brief word from our sponsor, but when we return, we'll 378 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: talk about how Easter transforms our mental and emotional battles 379 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: because of resurrection Hope. We'll be right back. Before the break, 380 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: we talked about rehearsing the Resurrection every morning. We talked 381 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: about fighting our thoughts with truth versus willpower. We talked 382 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: about letting God rewrite the meaning of our pain and 383 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: expecting God to bring life from dead places. 384 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: And as we wrap up this episode, we want you 385 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: to remember that resurrection hope is not a feeling and 386 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: it's not the result of good mental health days. It's 387 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 3: the victory in Jesus that's what enables us to tap 388 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: into the strength of this kind of hope that is 389 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 3: strong enough to take on our emotional and mental battles. 390 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: It's the unshakeable truth that Jesus wins and darkness doesn't. 391 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: Anxiety doesn't, depression doesn't, shame doesn't. Easter is not a 392 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: holiday we recognize once a year, friends, It's actually the 393 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: reality that we live in, and if we allow it to, 394 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: it can transform every inner battle, not by removing the struggle, 395 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 2: but by giving us a power greater than a struggle. 396 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: Let's remember Romans eight eleven. And if the spirit of 397 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, 398 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: he who raised Christ from the dead will also give 399 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: life to your martdal bodies because of his spirit who 400 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: lives in you, jes If a listener of viewers resonating 401 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: with our conversation today, what hopefield you want to leave 402 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: them with? 403 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: I would love to encourage you to step into that resurrection. Hope. Anxiety, depression, 404 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 3: our emotional and mental battles, they keep us locked in 405 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: that silence of Saturday we referenced in our episode a 406 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: year ago. But God is calling you out of the 407 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: darkness and into the light. But you've got to take 408 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: the first step, and sometimes when we're stuck in darkness, 409 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 3: the light seems really bright. But if you can just 410 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: take a baby step towards Jesus today to know that 411 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: you're not alone, that there's others who have left the 412 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: darkness behind and are now walking in that light. That 413 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: God's going to give you the strength to do it too, 414 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: and he'll be there to help you. He'll walk with 415 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 3: you every step of the way, and the fact that 416 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: he wins is an anchor thought that you can hold 417 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: on to. 418 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: Friends, let me pray for you as we close out 419 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: this episode. Father God, I just thank you for the 420 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: power of resurrection and hope. Lord, I thank you that 421 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: Easter is not just a holiday, it is a way 422 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: of life. If we will take our eyes off of 423 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: our dark situations and keep our focus on you, because 424 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: you are the light of the world. It's because of 425 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: Jesus's resurrection that we have hope. Lord, help each listener 426 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: and viewer to look for your fingerprints in the situations 427 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: they face today. Help them to remember that hope is 428 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: always present because you are still on your throne. You 429 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: the one who raised Jesus from the dead and raise 430 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: us out of the darkness. That we find ourselves in. Father, 431 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: thank you for the sacrifice of your only begotten son 432 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: so that we would be forgiven, so that we could 433 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: have a relationship with you, so that we could live 434 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: from a posture of resurrection hope in our everyday lives. Lord, 435 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: we love you, we praise you, we worship you, because 436 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: you are worthy. In Jesus name, I pray in I 437 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 2: hope that there was something in today's episode that resonated 438 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: with you. And if there was, or if you know 439 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 2: someone who's struggling with some form of mental or emotional darkness, 440 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: would you please consider sharing this episode with them so 441 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: that they too will have a biblically based hope filled perspective. Friends, 442 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: we would love to hear from you. We'd love to 443 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 2: know which episodes resonate with you most and what other 444 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: topics you would like us to consider. You can contact 445 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: us through the contact button on my website, Doctor michelleb 446 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 2: dot com. We look forward to being with you for 447 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: another episode again next week, but until then, it's my 448 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: prayer for you that you live in resurrection hope and 449 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: that as a result of that, you have a hope 450 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: filled week. 451 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Depression is now our greatest epidemic worldwide, greater than heart disease, cancer, 452 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: and aids all put together. If you have looked for 453 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: help with depression, you have found that there's a scarcity 454 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: of biblically based resources that identifies the spiritual component that 455 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: will actually help with the depression and also will help 456 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: the loved ones who are trying to support the ones 457 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: who are depressed. Over her thirty year career, doctor Benkson 458 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: has treated thousands of individuals with depression and has even 459 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: suffered from it herself. Because of her suffering, she understands 460 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: the need to address the spiritual dimension of depression along 461 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: with the physiological and emotional components. Doctor Benkson has written 462 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: an award winning book, Hope Prevails, Insights from a doctor's 463 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: personal journey through depression. For she shares with us her 464 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: own experiences, and she combines decades of professional expertise in 465 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: mental health with her personal insights so she can help 466 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: us overcome depression. Script Jennifer Strickland, author of Beautiful Lies, 467 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: had this to say about Hope Prevail's Hope Prevails is 468 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: a treasure trove of scripture, music, and medicine for the soul. 469 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: This book shares truth upon truth for anyone encountering the 470 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: obscurity of depression. Is a very important work that should 471 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: be held in the highest regard in any family library. 472 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: Most of all, it is honest. Michelle genuinely opens up 473 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: a window of her heart, shamelessly revealing her own darkest 474 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: hours in order to shine at light of hope for 475 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: you and me. If you or anyone you love touch 476 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: even the fringe of depression, I highly recommend this work 477 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: as a key doorway to your journey towards joy, peace 478 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: in the full life we can have in Christ. Hope 479 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: Prevails is available from Amazon dot com and other fine 480 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: online retailers, or your website at doctor michelb dot com. 481 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: You can obtain your copy today and begin your healing 482 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: journey from depression. Thank you for joining doctor Banks and 483 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: to your hope build perspective. We hope you are encouraged 484 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: by her authenticity, vulnerability, and bibli truths. If you enjoy 485 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: today's conversation. When you take a moment right now, open 486 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: up your podcast app and look for the subscribe button 487 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: right next to our podcast profile image. 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