Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro
Speaker 1: American student organization in the country, fighting for the future
Speaker 1: of our republic. My call is to fight evil and
Speaker 1: to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you
Speaker 1: is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable.
Speaker 2: But if the most.
Speaker 1: Important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College
Speaker 1: is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your
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Speaker 1: possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start
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Speaker 1: become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord
Speaker 1: in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in
Speaker 1: my life, and I encourage you to do the same.
Speaker 1: Here I am.
Speaker 2: Lord, Use me.
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Speaker 2: All right, without further ado, we are going to welcome
Speaker 2: up one of my favorite people, one of Charlie's favorite people.
Speaker 2: She really she needs no introduction. Ali, Beth Stuckey, Hey, y'all. Hi,
Speaker 2: and Mikey McCoy by.
Speaker 3: The way, Hello, how are you doing, Mikey McCoy?
Speaker 2: This is my first This is actually my first one
Speaker 2: with Mikey. You've done some other ones with Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is my first one.
Speaker 4: I know, I really missed you.
Speaker 2: We're so glad to have you.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: You are a crowd favorite, You have a huge platform,
Speaker 2: and you are a wonderful Christian model of I would
Speaker 2: say integrity of courage. How you've had a courageous last
Speaker 2: couple months, I would say your whole career certainly, But
Speaker 2: you have been a voice of truth, reason, facts, and
Speaker 2: you've taken the slings and arrows. So whatever in that
Speaker 2: intro that you want to get into the floor is yours.
Speaker 2: You've been a model of courage though for.
Speaker 3: So many Well, thanks, And courage is contagious, and courage
Speaker 3: begets courage. And I think a lot of us fancied
Speaker 3: ourselves as brave before Charlie died, but then something was
Speaker 3: just triggered in all of us in a really good
Speaker 3: way after we saw that, and any care that we
Speaker 3: had about what the world thought of us, or really
Speaker 3: what anyone thought of us. It just fell to the wayside.
Speaker 3: I know that I felt like that. But even like
Speaker 3: my nieces and nephews and people I know in my
Speaker 3: life who weren't political before, and maybe they weren't really
Speaker 3: digging into their Bible, they certainly weren't evangelizing, that has changed.
Speaker 3: And I just want to remind everyone.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of noise, a lot of disagreement,
Speaker 3: and it can feel very demoralizing, like is the revival
Speaker 3: that we thought was going to happen? Is it already over?
Speaker 3: It can feel like that until you talk to the
Speaker 3: everyday person and the conversations that I have with people
Speaker 3: that I work with, or my friends or people that
Speaker 3: I know that I didn't know. We're interested in Christianity.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm going to church now. Yeah I just got baptized.
Speaker 3: Yeah I heard the Gospel and I believed it. So
Speaker 3: underneath all of the headlines like there is a revival
Speaker 3: happening and the Holy Spirit is making people more courageous,
Speaker 3: and I'm just happy that we still get to be a.
Speaker 2: Part of that. Yeah, well said. I want to encourage
Speaker 2: everybody that maybe is asking those same questions. I've had
Speaker 2: the exact same experience that you know, and I think
Speaker 2: it reflects now in the polling. And still church attendance
Speaker 2: is still surging, baptisms are still surging, and so you know,
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when the light shines the brightest, the
Speaker 2: darkness tries to counter it. Yeah, one for one, it can't.
Speaker 2: And I've said before that what God is unleashed, man
Speaker 2: cannot stop. Like the trains left the station, good luck
Speaker 2: stopping it. You can harass it, you can try and
Speaker 2: throw sticks and stones in its tracks, but it's just
Speaker 2: going to roll right over them. And so God's doing
Speaker 2: a great work here. And I think we need to
Speaker 2: have faith and let the process play out too, by
Speaker 2: the way, with the political commentators and the noise and
Speaker 2: the debates, like, let it play out like something good
Speaker 2: might just be happening underneath the surface, and we need
Speaker 2: to let that. We need to trust the Lord that
Speaker 2: he knows the next steps. But Mike get in here. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I also think it's really exciting though, and I keep
Speaker 5: saying this over and over again, but because I mean it,
Speaker 5: and it's so powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for
Speaker 5: speaking truth and using his free speech, free speech that
Speaker 5: oftentimes the left hated and then killed him for. And
Speaker 5: you would think that when somebody is murdered for using
Speaker 5: their free speech, it would make others kind of pause
Speaker 5: and say, maybe I don't want to do that because
Speaker 5: I too could get killed. But like here at anfest,
Speaker 5: it's been so encouraging for me and for all of
Speaker 5: us to see record breaking numbers of how many people
Speaker 5: are here for the first time, eighty percent of which
Speaker 5: this is the first TBOS event ever. But then these
Speaker 5: students that are like five it up and it's like
Speaker 5: the me next, and mentality like I'll be the next one,
Speaker 5: like put me, put me on the stand.
Speaker 4: Like I'm ready to go, because courage.
Speaker 5: Is contagious, and like when you see that, it fires
Speaker 5: you up for truth. And I think that the enemy
Speaker 5: wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over,
Speaker 5: but in reality, it's it's playing out in different ways
Speaker 5: that we don't even see behind the scenes. I mean
Speaker 5: last week Andrew, we were like down bad, we were
Speaker 5: down bad, yeah, and then being here this week it's
Speaker 5: like just so.
Speaker 2: Encouraging, super honest about it that on Thursday morning, when
Speaker 2: I was getting ready to come down here, I was
Speaker 2: I was not looking forward to it. I was like,
Speaker 2: just have to get through this and then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be Then I can go be with my family and
Speaker 2: watch them Christmas movies. That's like what I want to do, right. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it's been a long year, Charlie would say. Charlie would
Speaker 2: always say, it's been a it's been a long week,
Speaker 2: you know, so, but anyways, so but then when I
Speaker 2: got here and instantly felt it was it was kind
Speaker 2: of like when we were at the memorial and you
Speaker 2: step in there and it was just like boom. You
Speaker 2: can just feel it. And that comes from all of
Speaker 2: you guys. And I've been riding high ever since. Honestly,
Speaker 2: this has been the most life giving couple of days
Speaker 2: and that that I have experienced in a while. And
Speaker 2: so I'm I'm completely encouraged. And I believe that the
Speaker 2: reach and the ripple effects of Charter Charlie's martyrdom and
Speaker 2: is the assassination we are so far reaching and so
Speaker 2: unquantifiable that we're really on this side of attorney eternity
Speaker 2: never really going to understand the reach and the impact
Speaker 2: that Charlie has really had. And by the way, people
Speaker 2: like you stepping into that shadow, which is my next question,
Speaker 2: stepping out, but from behind that shadow, I should say, Uh,
Speaker 2: you told me, you know, feel free. This is not
Speaker 2: this is don't worry, this is not a livestream like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just you told me that you had an initial
Speaker 2: reaction after Charlie was assassinated. Yeah, and then you transitioned to,
Speaker 2: let's just say a more bold reaction. What was your
Speaker 2: first reaction and then what changed in you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my initial reaction. So I got a text from
Speaker 3: my publicist. I was on my way to a doctor's appointment,
Speaker 3: and she said, I just heard that Charlie Kirk has
Speaker 3: been shot on college campus. And I was like, that's
Speaker 3: not true. That is just she heard that through someone
Speaker 3: and that's not true. But even if that is true,
Speaker 3: godh she got shot in the arm and that'll be terrible,
Speaker 3: but you know, it'll be okay, he'll be fine. It
Speaker 3: just my mind couldn't even go to that spot. But
Speaker 3: then I called one of our mutual friends, who was
Speaker 3: crying understandably on the other side, and he said, it
Speaker 3: is true. I went through all the things that you've
Speaker 3: heard a lot he might make it, and then got
Speaker 3: a text saying he didn't make it. And my first
Speaker 3: reaction was like, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 3: It's not worth it. I thought we were in a
Speaker 3: battle of ideas and we're not. We're bringing ideas and
Speaker 3: they're bringing bullets. This is not a war of words,
Speaker 3: like this is a hot war. They've declared war on us.
Speaker 3: And then I talked to my dad. My dad, I
Speaker 3: talk to him every day and he's a wealth wisdom
Speaker 3: for me. But he said, you know, when all of
Speaker 3: this clears and like the emotions kind of settled down,
Speaker 3: you do have to ask yourself what would Charlie say
Speaker 3: to you? Like what would he say to you? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know what he would say. What he
Speaker 3: would say to any of us in the movement, and
Speaker 3: all of us are so blessed with like different encouraging
Speaker 3: texts that he would send to so many people over
Speaker 3: the years, And one of them I got. I had
Speaker 3: this negative article written about me in the Atlantic, and
Speaker 3: I was all anxious about it. But of course Charlie
Speaker 3: texted me and he said, huge honor. Keep slugging. And
Speaker 3: my audience has heard me tell this story. And so
Speaker 3: now like whenever they can tell I'm feeling discouraged, they
Speaker 3: just say, keep slugging, keeps luck and keep slugging. It's
Speaker 3: almost become a motto like that. And now that's how
Speaker 3: I feel. Now I'm like, okay, like he didn't die
Speaker 3: for nothing. Like he he would say to all of us,
Speaker 3: keep slugging, do not back down. This is actually the
Speaker 3: very last thing you should do.
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Speaker 2: Well. And you know, it's funny because a lot of
Speaker 2: people have their their charlieisms, you know, like Steve Dais's
Speaker 2: go Max, you know, or go Hard's funny, but you
Speaker 2: know it is true. I mean this, I think this
Speaker 2: is like a hard for some people to probably hear.
Speaker 2: But like the night that Charlie was assassinated, there was
Speaker 2: a few of us in the hotel in Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City and we're sitting there, you know, stun silence, and
Speaker 2: somebody just kind of had to like break the silence
Speaker 2: because you know, what do you say in this moment?
Speaker 2: And somebody's like, you know, Charlie'd be really upset that
Speaker 2: we're not streaming right now, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: probably it's probably true. Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously
Speaker 2: that wasn't the XT and it was a joke, but
Speaker 2: it was it was a kind of a hat tip
Speaker 2: to the way Charlie was wired, and the way Charlie
Speaker 2: was wired, he would run right into the story, he
Speaker 2: would run right into the battle that was in front
Speaker 2: of you, and he just had this endless energy. And
Speaker 2: so when we ended up doing this stream on Friday
Speaker 2: that I guess got seen over thirty five million times
Speaker 2: or something insane, we knew we had to do that
Speaker 2: because it had to be us that honored Charlie, that
Speaker 2: like spoke up for him in that moment. And you
Speaker 2: have done that as well. You had this moment where
Speaker 2: you know, Charlie was giving you encouragement about your Jubilee debate,
Speaker 2: and that happened right after right, Yep, it.
Speaker 3: Was two weeks after he died. It was the day
Speaker 3: before the memorial.
Speaker 2: Right, and you struggled with whether or not you should
Speaker 2: keep that commitment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the last place I wanted to be
Speaker 3: was surrounded by a circle of liberals and that moment.
Speaker 3: Just to be honest, we had a lot of security
Speaker 3: conversations before walking into this, but honestly, yeah, like Charlie's
Speaker 3: wisdom was so vital. Holy Spirit was present one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But also to the credit of my opponents. They were
Speaker 3: twenty liberal Christians and one Christian Conservative. And I got
Speaker 3: to make four claims and defend those claims, and all
Speaker 3: twenty of them came up and tried to deconstruct it.
Speaker 3: But and so I was nervous, and but the oh,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you. But the first guy came up
Speaker 3: to me, this like flamboyant gay man and he came
Speaker 3: up to me. And it's so tense in there. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they tell the cast not to smile.
Speaker 3: No one is smiling. It is hot. They don't have
Speaker 3: any air conditioning. They stop every thirty seconds to turn fans.
Speaker 5: It's holie, it's so really hot.
Speaker 3: It is so hot, and it's like and I watched
Speaker 3: Charlie's before and they were so mean to Charlie. I
Speaker 3: was expecting that. And so this guy he sits down,
Speaker 3: and Charlie told me he said, ask them all their
Speaker 3: name because it throws them off, and so I did.
Speaker 3: But then he stopped and he said, I am so
Speaker 3: sorry about your friend, Charlie, and that just I can't
Speaker 3: take credit for that. Like that completely melted the tension.
Speaker 3: They didn't actually show that in the final cut of
Speaker 3: the debate, but three or four of them stopped and said,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry about Charlie. And honestly, like even in death,
Speaker 3: Charlie kind of made peace in that situation that could
Speaker 3: have been really contentious. The tension kind of melted away.
Speaker 4: I know, the tension of that room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which Mikey just walking around the hood.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Well you look like you're from the hood.
Speaker 2: Yeah you do, Charlie that one. Maybe he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just on the street all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you have a question?
Speaker 5: No, I just I mean you you opened up kind
Speaker 5: of talking about how we were going to watch this
Speaker 5: play out. But I think it's really interesting to see
Speaker 5: all the different personalities that are speaking at Anfest.
Speaker 4: And Erica said it.
Speaker 3: The other night amfes.
Speaker 2: See were acting like this is the first time we've
Speaker 2: ever had like, you know.
Speaker 4: Disagreement, shade being thrown from stage. No, never, not an amphest.
Speaker 5: But Erica came out yesterday and she was like, you know,
Speaker 5: you can say a lot about Amfest, you can't say
Speaker 5: it is it is boring.
Speaker 4: And she was like, it's like it's like Thanksgiving dinner
Speaker 4: with the family members, you know, working.
Speaker 2: Out the family business.
Speaker 5: You're working out the family business. But I do want
Speaker 5: to kind of talk about Tucker said his speech.
Speaker 4: He said, if my brother goes on.
Speaker 5: A drug related murder spree, I will not denounce him,
Speaker 5: and that I was like thinking about that all night
Speaker 5: last night and then again this morning, because I love
Speaker 5: my family and I'm super close with my family. But
Speaker 5: then I'm also very invested in my morality and my values.
Speaker 5: And I was like, Oh, Ali, Stucky's coming. I'll just
Speaker 5: ask her which she thinks about it. Would you denounce
Speaker 5: me if I went on a drug related murder spring,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: What, I would denounce you for a lot less than that. Oh, definitely.
Speaker 3: At that point, we're denouncing my keys standards. There's standards, okay,
Speaker 3: So I guess we could get into the semantics of
Speaker 3: what do you mean by denounce. Of course, you still
Speaker 3: love someone in your life, like if your spouse, especially
Speaker 3: the person that you're one person with, Like it would
Speaker 3: take a lot for you to publicly condemn them, but
Speaker 3: you would, like you, you would still love them and
Speaker 3: want what's best for them and all of that. But
Speaker 3: you also want justice and you want truth just because
Speaker 3: we you know, we subscribe to something that is higher
Speaker 3: than interpersonal loyalty, and that is loyalty to the word
Speaker 3: of God, even when it's really difficult. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought that was strange. I don't think I can get
Speaker 3: on board with that. Hopefully his brother doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope nobody. Because we don't recommend drug related
Speaker 2: murder spreechs. We don't that need to be said disavowed.
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure where you stood.
Speaker 2: On that thing. You people are asking questions, so so,
Speaker 2: but when we when we when we when we talk
Speaker 2: about these disagreements within the movement, though, let's let's keep
Speaker 2: them more within Okay, not murder, but with you know,
Speaker 2: foreign policy, disagreements about Israel, disagreements about h one B's,
Speaker 2: disagreements about all of the care healthcare. What do you
Speaker 2: how do you navigate these issues? You know, Charlie was
Speaker 2: a big proponent of something he you know, that we
Speaker 2: call prudence, and so how do you prudently choose to
Speaker 2: navigate the most contentious issues of the conservative movement of
Speaker 2: our day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I don't really
Speaker 3: talk that much about foreign policy, but if you listen
Speaker 3: to some of my critics, I am like the biggest
Speaker 3: Israel stand out there, like it really doesn't matter what
Speaker 3: you say. Sometimes to some of these critics, they will
Speaker 3: say that, you know, they'll just put they'll project what
Speaker 3: they think about you onto you, no matter what you say.
Speaker 3: So you have to just ignore that. Okay, that's part
Speaker 3: of prudence, and I'm sure that Charlie was really good
Speaker 3: at that of ignoring the people that are going to
Speaker 3: say what they're going to say, no matter what the
Speaker 3: truth is. And my only question is what is true,
Speaker 3: what's factually true, but most importantly, what's biblically true? And
Speaker 3: if I really don't know the answer to that, then
Speaker 3: I don't always wait into those waters. And if I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a salvation issue, if I don't think
Speaker 3: it's an existential issue, then I'm going to do my best,
Speaker 3: like I did an episode, for example, when Tucker Carlson
Speaker 3: and Ted Cruz had their battle over Israel, and I
Speaker 3: just kind of navigated that here's what I think the
Speaker 3: Bible says about Israel, here's what I think as a Christian,
Speaker 3: and here's what I think our obligation is. And you know,
Speaker 3: it kind of pleased no one, but that's okay. And
Speaker 3: I don't have to pretend. Here's what I never do.
Speaker 3: I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert on. But if I know how
Speaker 3: to navigate something, if I feel like the Word of
Speaker 3: God is clear on something, then I'm going to go
Speaker 3: all in. Because Charlie and I we are last conversation
Speaker 3: on the podcast was about he loved to talk about
Speaker 3: woke pastor. That was like his favorite thing to ask me.
Speaker 3: It was about woke pastors.
Speaker 2: He had a special place for them and.
Speaker 3: In his content, yes, And we talked about this concept
Speaker 3: of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God, just believing
Speaker 3: that they know better than God, that they're wiser than God,
Speaker 3: that they're more compassionate than God. And he was like,
Speaker 3: that has to be the title of your next book.
Speaker 3: I'm good at this kind of thing. That needs to
Speaker 3: be the title, which is probably true. But the truth
Speaker 3: is is that the most loving thing that we can
Speaker 3: do in all things is agree with God. And if
Speaker 3: I can find a way to agree with God when
Speaker 3: it comes to my politics or my cultural views, certainly
Speaker 3: my theology, then I'm going to do that as loudly
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Speaker 2: But when it comes to the politics of it all,
Speaker 2: and I know that you tend to be faith forward,
Speaker 2: politics downstream of your faith, which is I think the
Speaker 2: proper order. But when we're talking about the politics of
Speaker 2: it all, the coalition build of it all, the Trump
Speaker 2: and jd vance of it all, does this sort of
Speaker 2: fight that we're seeing play out in a public way
Speaker 2: of this family business because it's different, right, we all
Speaker 2: know that, like you know, trans and kids is bad. Right,
Speaker 2: we all know that, like these ones are the easy ones,
Speaker 2: it gets harder when it's when you're sort of so
Speaker 2: called shooting inside the tent. So what do you make
Speaker 2: of that? Do you think this is healthy for the movement?
Speaker 2: Do you think this is just a sign of a
Speaker 2: healthy immune system and the antibodies fight. Do you think
Speaker 2: this is where? Do you think this is a sign
Speaker 2: of a lack of health. Do you think this is dysfunction?
Speaker 3: You know what, it's hard to say exactly what my
Speaker 3: rule is and wading into these conflicts, so we can
Speaker 3: just say, like when it comes to the Ben and
Speaker 3: Meghan disagreement, like, I'm not probably going to wait in
Speaker 3: and say, well, like I'm on this side. I'm on
Speaker 3: this side. Both of these people are my friends, and
Speaker 3: I don't see something within that disagreement that I'm like,
Speaker 3: Ali Stucky has to speak up on that or else
Speaker 3: she's a coward. Now I might if it comes to
Speaker 3: that or if things evolve, but when it came to this,
Speaker 3: is members only right. Like when it came to the
Speaker 3: Candice thing, I you know, put that off for a
Speaker 3: while for a lot of different reasons. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to say anything. But then she started talking about Mikey
Speaker 3: and that really bothered me. But then she also started
Speaker 3: speaking about things that I had personal knowledge about, like
Speaker 3: how turning point events work and things like that, and
Speaker 3: I felt an obligation to my audience, who was constantly
Speaker 3: asking me, what do you think about this? A lot
Speaker 3: of them watch her and love her. Of course she's
Speaker 3: super entertaining and popular, but they're like, what do you
Speaker 3: think about this?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Can you give me some clarity on this? And I've
Speaker 3: always said clarity is kindness, and if I am purposely
Speaker 3: not offering clarity, where I know my audience needs it,
Speaker 3: then I am probably being cowardly, which is why I
Speaker 3: ended up trying to speak up about that. So I
Speaker 3: guess it's my case trying.
Speaker 2: I think you succeeded in speaking well.
Speaker 3: I you know, I said what I said, and I totally.
Speaker 2: Stand by it.
Speaker 3: I totally stand by it. And yeah, yeah, in nuindo
Speaker 3: is non investigation, and that's where I stand.
Speaker 2: I mean I should have I shouldn't have interrupted you.
Speaker 2: In nuendo is not investigation. Yeah, And I think it's
Speaker 2: an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody
Speaker 2: just moments ago that what I actually think is happening
Speaker 2: in the movement is two parallel tracks. I think there's
Speaker 2: an idea, a lot ideological debate that's unfolding. But I
Speaker 2: also think it's you know, you have to understand how
Speaker 2: we got to this moment where we had media that
Speaker 2: was contained for so long in this country inside the
Speaker 2: legacy box, right, you know, we had CNN, ABC, NBCCBS
Speaker 2: and then eventually Fox and that was kind of it, right,
Speaker 2: and then it exploded out of that. We have independent creators.
Speaker 2: We have independent minded YouTubers and streamers and podcasters, and
Speaker 2: they are getting a bigger and bigger, bigger chunk of
Speaker 2: the pie. But it's sort of the wild West. Still,
Speaker 2: there's no established rules, right, Washington Post has to publish
Speaker 2: its editorial controls and the standards and ethics that it's
Speaker 2: going to well, you know it's going to abide by right,
Speaker 2: and same with New York Times, same with Fox News.
Speaker 2: In the world of online content creation, there are no
Speaker 2: standards or ethics, and you've seen sort of the platforms
Speaker 2: try and impose those. There was a massive backlash against censorship.
Speaker 2: It's hate speech, whatever that is. And so what you're
Speaker 2: actually having is this debate is raging because there's not
Speaker 2: an agreement about how to responsibly create content online, especially
Speaker 2: when you when your platforms become huge, right, And there's
Speaker 2: certain people that think you need to apply certain standards
Speaker 2: and ethics to facts an innuendo, and there's certain people
Speaker 2: that think, well, we're you know, it's all kind of
Speaker 2: free game. So that I think is actually the thing
Speaker 2: that needs to settle. That is the sifting that is
Speaker 2: also happening underneath what you think is this debate against
Speaker 2: he said she said, or I'm friends with this person,
Speaker 2: so I'm not going it's actually deeper than that, and
Speaker 2: it's a more structural problem in my opinion. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you agree with that or.
Speaker 3: Not, but yeah, I think those are really good points.
Speaker 3: I think the issue that we have on the left
Speaker 3: and the right and now the right, is that our
Speaker 3: disagreements have become very fundamental. We're asking questions like what
Speaker 3: as an American, which I think is a really good
Speaker 3: thing to debate. We have to define our terms, but
Speaker 3: we're also debating like what is truth? What is truth?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: How do we seek truth? What counts is truth? And
Speaker 3: it looks like we've got different definitions, not only on
Speaker 3: the right and the left, but even within what is
Speaker 3: considered the right. And I do think the only way
Speaker 3: is to hammer that out and hash that out. But
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see how that shapes up.
Speaker 2: Do you want to do some cuman it or do
Speaker 2: you have a question?
Speaker 4: No? No, no, you guys you said it great.
Speaker 5: I would just also add, I mean under the Biden
Speaker 5: administration we kind of unified under you know, if you
Speaker 5: would trip, you know, we would all go on social
Speaker 5: media and talk about it at length. But I think
Speaker 5: now we've kind of been broken into like three factions.
Speaker 5: Is you have the administration who's really focused on just
Speaker 5: everything they're doing in the government foreign policy and everybody
Speaker 5: who's really hyper analyzing that. And then you have the
Speaker 5: greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas.
Speaker 5: And then you have to also remember that the audience
Speaker 5: who likes to ask questions is these are people like
Speaker 5: even me, you know, who came out of California during
Speaker 5: you know, the COVID lockdowns and my dad was going
Speaker 5: to be arrested for opening his church. These people I've
Speaker 5: been lied to about the election, They've been lied to
Speaker 5: about COVID, and so they are looking for somebody to
Speaker 5: ask questions about everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so there's an audience for that as well.
Speaker 4: So there's we're all separated right now.
Speaker 5: Because we're all separated, there's tons of infighting because we
Speaker 5: don't have a unified enemy right now, and so right
Speaker 5: now we're just kind of focusing on fighting each other
Speaker 5: instead of focusing on a unified enemy.
Speaker 2: Yep, governing's hard. Yeah, clap for that. I totally agree. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very wise, the you know, the hope is that when
Speaker 2: we get to twenty twenty six, and especially in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight. A lot of these the infighting. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 2: you know, fade away because you know we're going to
Speaker 2: be having to defeat AOC nominee or Jazzmine Crockett.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, that content that will come, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's going to be that will be a crystallizing
Speaker 2: moment for everybody, very clarifying moment for everybody. Let's do
Speaker 2: some and for ali. Emma's got the mic.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 7: My name is Amanda. I have listened to Rush since
Speaker 7: I was in the womb, and I once rushed past
Speaker 7: I didn't have a home, found the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 7: So thank you guys for continuing. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 7: My question, I'm a nurse and a mom and I'm
Speaker 7: just sitting here watching you guys, and I worry about
Speaker 7: you guys as people. How can I be praying for
Speaker 7: you all?
Speaker 3: That's very sweet. Well, thank you so much, and just
Speaker 3: thank you for being a light in a dark world.
Speaker 3: The medical system, unfortunately, you know, isn't always the brightest place,
Speaker 3: so thank you for doing what you do.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't speak for everyone, but pray, yes,
Speaker 3: of course, for protection and things like that. We're always
Speaker 3: praying for that, but also just pray for courage to
Speaker 3: do the next right thing. That's all any of us
Speaker 3: are ever trying to do. You do the next right
Speaker 3: thing in faith, with excellence and for the glory of God.
Speaker 3: That's the model that I try to live by. And
Speaker 3: sometimes that takes courage. There's not a lot of courage
Speaker 3: and being complacent and going with the flow. But all
Speaker 3: of us in this droom have decided that going with
Speaker 3: the flow got us to a really bad place, and
Speaker 3: swimming upstream can be hard. So pray for courage, not
Speaker 3: only for us, but for people like you too, because
Speaker 3: we have a job to say the things that we
Speaker 3: say and do the things that we do that are
Speaker 3: considered controversial. You could lose your job for doing that.
Speaker 3: So really my respect goes to you for the sacrifices
Speaker 3: you make for the truth. So thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow, how you guys doing.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 6: My name's E and I'm from North Idaho, and I
Speaker 6: just want you to kind of elaborate more on how
Speaker 6: we don't have a common enemy when Charlie Kirk was
Speaker 6: shot by a leftist trans loving person, Like, how is
Speaker 6: that not a common enemy right now? When they literally
Speaker 6: shot him for talking.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't say that.
Speaker 6: We don't have I know, I'm saying, how can we
Speaker 6: elaborate on that? Like how we don't have a common enemy,
Speaker 6: I guess is what I was.
Speaker 3: Hoping to find on Oh, are you saying that some
Speaker 3: people are asserting that or you believe that we don't.
Speaker 4: Have a comment.
Speaker 6: I believe we have a common enemy.
Speaker 3: And it's like, yes, I agree, I actually.
Speaker 2: Think we are all saying we have a common enemy.
Speaker 2: It's about how we're getting distracted by the things we
Speaker 2: disagree about amongst the coalition on the right, the larger coalition,
Speaker 2: and so it's not it just doesn't feel maybe as
Speaker 2: prominent to some people because all I guess what, all
Speaker 2: the clickbait, all the stuff people are clicking on and
Speaker 2: posting about is like infighting. So it just doesn't it's
Speaker 2: just not as prominent. But when when I think, when
Speaker 2: the calendar of the election comes into more focus for people,
Speaker 2: that will probably be a clarifying moment. It will refocus
Speaker 2: people that are currently distracted. I'm not distracted. We're not distracted, guys, aren't. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no. We're mission mission mission around here, like
Speaker 2: we do we do our level best to stay focused
Speaker 2: on the mission at hand, and that's midterms, midterms, midterms,
Speaker 2: no transing our kids, mass migration.
Speaker 3: Well, let me just encourage you just for a second,
Speaker 3: because I know that the distractions in the division is demoralizing.
Speaker 3: But I like to use this analogy. On the left,
Speaker 3: when your goal is just destruction, you don't have to
Speaker 3: agree on the tools that you use. Anyone can pick
Speaker 3: up a hammer, a mallet, it doesn't matter. As long
Speaker 3: as you're destroying. You can all do it. You don't
Speaker 3: have to agree. But on the right, we're trying to
Speaker 3: build something. And when you're trying to build something, you
Speaker 3: have to agree on the foundation, the materials and the
Speaker 3: tools you use, who's using it and when and where
Speaker 3: that takes work. And sometimes it takes these clarifying moments
Speaker 3: for us to say, hang on, who are we and
Speaker 3: what are we doing? What is our common enemy? That's
Speaker 3: the moment that we're in right now because we lost
Speaker 3: our main coalition builder and the guy that was holding
Speaker 3: us together and somehow holding back the crazy, all the crazies,
Speaker 3: it's come out, and so we're just having a redefining
Speaker 3: moment so that we can win the midterms. And twenty
Speaker 3: twenty eight.
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Speaker 9: So I have a question because after Charlie crookud Die,
Speaker 9: I feel one of two ways. A lot of us
Speaker 9: wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted
Speaker 9: to hide. I'm caught in the middle where it's I
Speaker 9: want to speak out, but there's also fear. So my
Speaker 9: question for you is, how do you get rid of
Speaker 9: that fear of wanting to speak out and like just
Speaker 9: like push forward through it, because like I'm really I
Speaker 9: really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find
Speaker 9: myself in it where it's like not that I'll say
Speaker 9: what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my
Speaker 9: thoughts to myself because I'm just like, well that I
Speaker 9: know that'll like piss them off basically, and so like
Speaker 9: I'll try to like either put it out or just
Speaker 9: like put it brush it under the rug. But I
Speaker 9: really want to, Like with Charlie dying, like, yeah, it
Speaker 9: was very encouraging for me because it was like he
Speaker 9: did for my generation what a lot of people wouldn't
Speaker 9: have done. Yea, And he put his life literally on
Speaker 9: the line for our generation. And it's just encouraging that
Speaker 9: like he did that for us, and so I want
Speaker 9: to step up like he did. Yeah, and finally starts
Speaker 9: speaking out about things. Especially it's scary because I live
Speaker 9: in Illinois, so like it's very blue, and when you
Speaker 9: speak out about politics, you're hated for it because Chicago
Speaker 9: is not a safe place. I worked for public safety
Speaker 9: on my campus. Yeah, and so I've heard what goes
Speaker 9: on in the city and even in like on the news,
Speaker 9: you just see all of the horror that is caused
Speaker 9: by that, and so just kind of, yeah, what's your
Speaker 9: advice for like pushing past them?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would y'all say that Charlie got more courageous over
Speaker 3: the last five years? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And how would you say that he became more courageous.
Speaker 5: I think part of it was getting married and then
Speaker 5: also having kids. Yeah, yeah, and he realized that he
Speaker 5: had something bigger.
Speaker 4: To defend than just himself. Yeah, the future for his children.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't beat yourself up about struggling with fear
Speaker 3: and people pleasing. That is part of being human, but
Speaker 3: it is something to fight against. We don't want to
Speaker 3: live in a world or lead a life in which
Speaker 3: people are begging. God is small and people's opinion of
Speaker 3: us loom large role. God's opinion is really a lot
Speaker 3: smaller to us, and so it takes practice. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Charlie would say the same thing,
Speaker 3: But people ask me, are you nervous when you do
Speaker 3: X y Z, Well, not as much anymore. And it's
Speaker 3: not because of some like magic or anything, it's because
Speaker 3: I practiced it. But you have to practice courage, and
Speaker 3: that means taking a risk. That means saying the thing
Speaker 3: even when you don't really know what to say and
Speaker 3: it's not perfect. So courage takes practice. But courage is
Speaker 3: also contagious. So when you step out and courage, other
Speaker 3: people do too, and then it makes it less scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, the number one verse that
Speaker 2: people have sent me, I don't know if I said
Speaker 2: this earlier, but it's worth saying.
Speaker 3: Is just saying hi to the photographer.
Speaker 2: Did you say make this? Verse two? Is uh Joshua
Speaker 2: one nine. Yeah, be strong and courageous. And I have
Speaker 2: literally hit my knees multiple times since Charlie died, and
Speaker 2: just asking God to give me more courage and give
Speaker 2: me more wisdom. So it's okay if it's hard, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what courage is. It has to be. If it
Speaker 2: wasn't hard, it wouldn't be courage. So yeah.
Speaker 5: But also, in like a world that's evil and filled
Speaker 5: with lies, If if the world's constantly agreeing with you
Speaker 5: and affirming your behavior, that means you are living a
Speaker 5: life of lies and darkness and evil because it's affirming
Speaker 5: the actions that it desires, affirming the actions of the world.
Speaker 4: That that it's in. So when you actually do.
Speaker 5: What's right and are a bright light in the dark
Speaker 5: world and actually bringing truth to lies, that's not a
Speaker 5: very popular thing.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean, rejoice in your stuffy Charlie.
Speaker 2: Charlie was a prophet and what do they do to profits? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's a bitter pill to swallow. But
Speaker 2: Charlie has a really big throne and really big mansion
Speaker 2: in heaven right now. I gotta believe it. And and Charli,
Speaker 2: there's that clip where Charlie said, you know, he's called
Speaker 2: to confront the lies with the truth and proclaim the truth,
Speaker 2: and he wanted to be known for courage for his faith.
Speaker 2: So Charlie's a guy that said yes to the Lord
Speaker 2: and like went all the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Next question, Hi, So I read your book Toxic Empathy,
Speaker 10: and one of the things I'm noticing is social work
Speaker 10: as an organization is probably evil at this point where
Speaker 10: they're all brainwashed. So I was a social work student
Speaker 10: and I had asked Charlie, you know, for some advice,
Speaker 10: and I heard many social work students ask him for
Speaker 10: the same advice and he told me to you know,
Speaker 10: stand up, you know, tell the truth.
Speaker 2: And I did that and I was kicked out for it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so my you know, we're fighting the trans
Speaker 10: in the kids movement, we're fighting the universities, but I
Speaker 10: don't see much of fighting the social work because they're
Speaker 10: in their universities. They're the police departments, and they're by
Speaker 10: themselves dcfs in Illinois, California. I know for sure if
Speaker 10: you don't use your child's pronouns, they can take your
Speaker 10: kids from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And I just don't hear that many people talking about
Speaker 10: social work and how ingrained that this is. And so
Speaker 10: I was wondering, you know, can you guys all give
Speaker 10: it a platform and what we can do to fight
Speaker 10: the organization.
Speaker 3: Social workers, teachers, nurses, and therapists attract the best people
Speaker 3: in the world and the worst people in the world.
Speaker 3: And it is because it involves vulnerable people. And there
Speaker 3: are two kinds of people that are attracted to the
Speaker 3: vulnerable person, and that's the person that wants to help
Speaker 3: them and the person that wants to hurt them. And
Speaker 3: so that's what we see in those helping professions. And
Speaker 3: it's not to say that all those progressives that go
Speaker 3: into social work have bad intentions. They don't realize they're
Speaker 3: being led to support the idea of a child being
Speaker 3: born in the wrong body. But you're right, we do
Speaker 3: need to speak up about that. And don't think that
Speaker 3: your speaking up for the truth was for not just
Speaker 3: because you got kicked out. You have no idea how
Speaker 3: God used that courage. What seed do you planted who
Speaker 3: heard you that initially hated you, But fifty years from now,
Speaker 3: God could use that moment that cheer you're not even
Speaker 3: thinking about anymore in someone else's life when they remembered
Speaker 3: that person stood up for that and he was right.
Speaker 3: God uses those seemingly unseen and unsung moments in eternity,
Speaker 3: and you will only see when you get to the
Speaker 3: other side of glory how that moment of courage where
Speaker 3: you felt like you were risking everything worked into someone
Speaker 3: else's testimony. So don't look at the world's affirmation of
Speaker 3: you as like a meter for your success, right because
Speaker 3: obviously they crucified Jesus, they stoned see even and the
Speaker 3: world is going to reject reject us, and that is
Speaker 3: actually a sign that we're doing something right. Jesus said,
Speaker 3: woe to you when all people speak well of you. Wow,
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, We're all doing we're all doing great.
Speaker 2: Then just remember that we got we got to wrap
Speaker 2: up Ali because she's got places to go and people
Speaker 2: to see and great things to I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: Prove me wrong.
Speaker 2: You're going to love that. I can't wait, so everybody, Ali,
Speaker 2: Beth Stucky.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much much.
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