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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Greg Glory Show. I'm glad you're

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Speaker 2: with us for this very special episode. Every now and

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Speaker 2: then hear a story it almost sounds too incredible to

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Speaker 2: be true. A troubled kid turned Olympic athlete, a war

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Speaker 2: about it. The man I'm talking about is Louis Zamporini.

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Speaker 2: His life is so remarkable. There's a best selling book

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Speaker 2: and movie made of out of this life called Unbroken. Today,

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Speaker 2: we're going back into the archives for a remarkable conversation

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Speaker 2: recorded live, where Louis shares his story in his own words.

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Speaker 2: From his early days is what he called a rotten kid,

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Speaker 2: to becoming the Torrents Tornado, to competing in the nineteen

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Speaker 2: thirty six Olympics and even meeting Adolf Hitler. But that's

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Speaker 2: significant as that is, it's what happened after, because everything

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Speaker 2: changed when Louis Zamporini encountered Jesus Christ at a Billy

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Speaker 2: Graham crusade. Louis went to be with the Lord in

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Speaker 2: purpose and unshakable faith. So join us for this where

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Speaker 2: an unforgettable conversation. It's a story you won't hear just anywhere,

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Speaker 2: and one that might change the way you look at

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Speaker 2: your own life. I present to you now, Louis Zamparini. Louis,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us here tonight. We're so

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Speaker 2: so looking forward to this time you've met lived such

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Speaker 1: They called me a rotten kidd.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I formed a little gang and we in

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Speaker 1: Now, my big problem was was not having been away

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Speaker 1: four or five abalonis. Well, that was poor man's food.

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Speaker 2: I recall, at least fourteen pounds. And who was your

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Speaker 2: So amazing. So here you are, you running the Olympics

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Speaker 1: Well, it was being overweight. I couldn't keep up the pace.

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Speaker 1: But so the last lap, all the great runners are

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Speaker 2: So while you were there in Germany, I did a

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Speaker 1: They all collect stubners to bring home, and I had

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Speaker 2: And here you were out in the middle of the Pacific.

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Speaker 2: of one of those sharks. Are a few now there.

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00:25:51,445 --> 00:25:54,645
Speaker 1: The thing is, I was never scared on the raft,

431
00:25:54,725 --> 00:25:57,684
Speaker 1: except for that great white because he actually we were

432
00:25:57,725 --> 00:26:02,085
Speaker 1: trying to sleep well. We put four inchant of water

433
00:26:02,165 --> 00:26:04,844
Speaker 1: in the raftic our body warmed. That little bit felt

434
00:26:04,925 --> 00:26:08,684
Speaker 1: better than the ocean. The shark came up, slapped us

435
00:26:08,764 --> 00:26:11,804
Speaker 1: on the bottom, lifted us out of the water. Three

436
00:26:11,844 --> 00:26:14,725
Speaker 1: guys in a raft. I thought it was a submarine.

437
00:26:15,804 --> 00:26:20,444
Speaker 1: And then I saw the sharks swimming around, and oh

438
00:26:20,524 --> 00:26:22,205
Speaker 1: my god, don't make a sound.

439
00:26:22,764 --> 00:26:22,884
Speaker 2: Now.

440
00:26:22,965 --> 00:26:25,165
Speaker 1: The shark was like a human being. Every time he

441
00:26:25,324 --> 00:26:27,645
Speaker 1: runs a long way of the raft, he would take

442
00:26:27,685 --> 00:26:31,084
Speaker 1: his tail and flip water on us, just see what

443
00:26:31,244 --> 00:26:34,804
Speaker 1: we were. He did that about eight or ten times,

444
00:26:35,165 --> 00:26:38,324
Speaker 1: and we just sat motionless, no sound, And he finally

445
00:26:38,445 --> 00:26:41,965
Speaker 1: disappeared just like he came. That was scary because if

446
00:26:42,004 --> 00:26:44,205
Speaker 1: he was big enough to bite the raft in two

447
00:26:44,324 --> 00:26:45,004
Speaker 1: and take us all.

448
00:26:45,324 --> 00:26:49,885
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you you had to eat, and these sharks

449
00:26:49,925 --> 00:26:52,124
Speaker 2: were trying to eat you, and so you decided to

450
00:26:52,205 --> 00:26:54,725
Speaker 2: turn the tables on the sharks, say you ate them.

451
00:26:55,365 --> 00:27:01,125
Speaker 1: That was really ironic. That the other two guys were sleeping,

452
00:27:01,244 --> 00:27:04,244
Speaker 1: and I was awake, and I kept watching these there's

453
00:27:04,244 --> 00:27:07,244
Speaker 1: always too sharks for some reason, and they kept circling,

454
00:27:07,324 --> 00:27:10,484
Speaker 1: or asked, circling, that's all they do. And so I thought, well,

455
00:27:10,764 --> 00:27:13,725
Speaker 1: it can't be like one with nature if I could

456
00:27:13,804 --> 00:27:16,564
Speaker 1: touch one of them. So I put my hand over

457
00:27:16,645 --> 00:27:19,164
Speaker 1: his head when he went by, and Mike hand went

458
00:27:19,244 --> 00:27:21,725
Speaker 1: over his door, so fin and I thought, hey, that's neat.

459
00:27:22,244 --> 00:27:27,604
Speaker 1: Then at one with nature, as they say, And I

460
00:27:27,685 --> 00:27:32,044
Speaker 1: did that to both sharks twice, and then all of

461
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:35,084
Speaker 1: a sudden, and this was unusual. I never happened before

462
00:27:35,165 --> 00:27:39,524
Speaker 1: they both disappeared. There was always two sharks, nothing scared

463
00:27:39,564 --> 00:27:42,685
Speaker 1: them away. But these two disappeared. Now on my knees,

464
00:27:42,764 --> 00:27:46,165
Speaker 1: looking to see where they are, and this head comes

465
00:27:46,244 --> 00:27:49,364
Speaker 1: up out of the water, mouth open, and it was

466
00:27:49,445 --> 00:27:51,124
Speaker 1: like a demon out of hell. I mean, it just

467
00:27:51,284 --> 00:27:56,605
Speaker 1: scared me and I just inadvertently put my hands up. Well,

468
00:27:56,645 --> 00:28:01,044
Speaker 1: I had it high enough. So the shark's mouth is

469
00:28:01,284 --> 00:28:03,284
Speaker 1: when he opens his mouth, it's snoop is about a

470
00:28:03,365 --> 00:28:06,725
Speaker 1: foot ahead of his mouth, and he turns up. I

471
00:28:06,764 --> 00:28:08,604
Speaker 1: got him on the top of the nose and pushed

472
00:28:08,685 --> 00:28:11,925
Speaker 1: him back in, and then the tail gunner couldn't figure

473
00:28:11,965 --> 00:28:14,125
Speaker 1: out what was happening. He woke up, grabbed an oar.

474
00:28:14,685 --> 00:28:16,804
Speaker 1: I grabbed an oar, and I'll tell you for the

475
00:28:16,925 --> 00:28:19,445
Speaker 1: next ten minutes, they kept trying to jump in the raft.

476
00:28:19,524 --> 00:28:22,405
Speaker 1: We kept jabbinging with the ore, and they finally gave

477
00:28:22,484 --> 00:28:25,884
Speaker 1: up and they left. Well what that did to me,

478
00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:33,044
Speaker 1: it made me really mad, and being Italian, I wanted

479
00:28:33,044 --> 00:28:39,685
Speaker 1: to get even, and so I decided to make them

480
00:28:39,765 --> 00:28:43,645
Speaker 1: part of our food chain. And I lived with there,

481
00:28:44,005 --> 00:28:47,245
Speaker 1: I mean, finding off more than we could chew. But

482
00:28:48,405 --> 00:28:51,005
Speaker 1: so I waited for a small shark. The next day,

483
00:28:51,805 --> 00:28:54,325
Speaker 1: a five footer came by, and I thought, well, I

484
00:28:54,405 --> 00:28:57,485
Speaker 1: stopped small, but I'll drive my luck. So when he

485
00:28:57,604 --> 00:29:00,364
Speaker 1: came by the raft flow circling, I reached in and

486
00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:02,925
Speaker 1: grabbed him by the tail. But I didn't get his

487
00:29:03,005 --> 00:29:05,245
Speaker 1: tail out of the water. Fast enough, and he pulled

488
00:29:05,285 --> 00:29:10,245
Speaker 1: me in and I got out fast out, And so

489
00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:16,685
Speaker 1: then I waited. The next day, a four footer was

490
00:29:16,765 --> 00:29:19,245
Speaker 1: there and I thought, well, he's still pretty big, but

491
00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:22,005
Speaker 1: I'll make it try. So we have a pair of

492
00:29:22,045 --> 00:29:24,805
Speaker 1: shute flare cartridge. When you pull a shock out of

493
00:29:24,805 --> 00:29:28,445
Speaker 1: the water, immediately their mouth opens. And so I said,

494
00:29:28,445 --> 00:29:30,724
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull his head out quickly pull him

495
00:29:30,725 --> 00:29:33,045
Speaker 1: into the raft, and before he biss the raft or

496
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:36,364
Speaker 1: any of us, put the cartridge in his mouth and

497
00:29:36,565 --> 00:29:39,364
Speaker 1: you have to perfectly pulled him in. And the pilot

498
00:29:39,405 --> 00:29:43,285
Speaker 1: shoud the casing into his mouth and he clamped down

499
00:29:43,325 --> 00:29:46,045
Speaker 1: on it and wouldn't let go. And then I had

500
00:29:46,084 --> 00:29:49,844
Speaker 1: a pair of plyers on the raft. Now, after forty

501
00:29:49,925 --> 00:29:52,364
Speaker 1: seven days, we couldn't figure out what the plyers were for.

502
00:29:55,565 --> 00:29:59,365
Speaker 1: And we had a patching kit like a bicycle patching kit,

503
00:30:00,165 --> 00:30:02,405
Speaker 1: and you use sand paper to rough up the rubber

504
00:30:02,485 --> 00:30:05,725
Speaker 1: to make the patch stick. That's what they had, sand paper,

505
00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:07,565
Speaker 1: and the sand was on the bottom and the paper

506
00:30:07,725 --> 00:30:11,565
Speaker 1: was blank. They should have had waterproof emery cloth. Everything

507
00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:15,005
Speaker 1: was wrong about this raft and we and so we

508
00:30:15,125 --> 00:30:17,604
Speaker 1: began to look around for the trademark. We thought they

509
00:30:17,645 --> 00:30:19,765
Speaker 1: had to be made in Germany or Japan.

510
00:30:21,885 --> 00:30:22,405
Speaker 2: Exactly.

511
00:30:23,005 --> 00:30:27,885
Speaker 1: So I took the brass mirror and I made three

512
00:30:27,965 --> 00:30:31,245
Speaker 1: teeth teeth marsh on the edge of the mirror. It

513
00:30:31,405 --> 00:30:33,725
Speaker 1: took me about ten or fifteen minutes to open a

514
00:30:33,805 --> 00:30:36,325
Speaker 1: hole in the ability of that four foot or five

515
00:30:36,365 --> 00:30:40,165
Speaker 1: foot shark. And they are tough. So we had a

516
00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:44,685
Speaker 1: lovely dinner of row liver. Twenty percent of the shark

517
00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:47,005
Speaker 1: is liver, though you got a lot of liver. Before

518
00:30:47,125 --> 00:30:50,885
Speaker 1: World War Two, all vitamin filts were made from shark liver,

519
00:30:52,365 --> 00:30:55,205
Speaker 1: and I knew how many shushes it was. But survival

520
00:30:55,285 --> 00:30:58,445
Speaker 1: school said, you don't eat the meat unless it's cooked.

521
00:30:58,725 --> 00:31:03,125
Speaker 1: It smells like ammonia. And then about a week later

522
00:31:03,565 --> 00:31:06,405
Speaker 1: when we called another shark, a little small four footer

523
00:31:06,445 --> 00:31:11,325
Speaker 1: and trump, we have two luscious meals on the raft.

524
00:31:13,125 --> 00:31:16,084
Speaker 2: But as you were out at sea, a plane came by.

525
00:31:16,245 --> 00:31:19,285
Speaker 2: You thought it was an American plane. It turns out

526
00:31:19,325 --> 00:31:23,125
Speaker 2: to be a Japanese plane. It fires on you. Ultimately

527
00:31:24,125 --> 00:31:26,684
Speaker 2: you make it to the Marshall Islands where you are

528
00:31:26,805 --> 00:31:32,325
Speaker 2: rescued ironically by the Japanese. And now you are, ultimately,

529
00:31:32,485 --> 00:31:36,965
Speaker 2: after being beaten, being recognized as an Olympian. They seemed

530
00:31:37,005 --> 00:31:39,844
Speaker 2: to know who you were. And how did they know

531
00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:44,805
Speaker 2: that you were Louis Zamparini, the American Olympic athlete.

532
00:31:45,405 --> 00:31:49,245
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you, the Japanese knew more about American

533
00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:51,805
Speaker 1: athletes than we did, and more about our movie stars.

534
00:31:51,885 --> 00:31:54,644
Speaker 1: That's all they talk about. And we heard that in

535
00:31:54,725 --> 00:31:59,884
Speaker 1: President camp oh, Shirley Temple had an abortion and died.

536
00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:03,245
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. They kind to discourage it, and but

537
00:32:03,405 --> 00:32:05,885
Speaker 1: they yeah, when I was missing it made had lines

538
00:32:05,885 --> 00:32:07,884
Speaker 1: from America and so then they picked it up on

539
00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:11,884
Speaker 1: the radio and they were really surprised and they knew me.

540
00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:14,925
Speaker 1: In fact, when I was for four days, we couldn't walk,

541
00:32:14,965 --> 00:32:16,805
Speaker 1: so we had to be carried over their shoulders.

542
00:32:17,485 --> 00:32:19,884
Speaker 2: And how much did you weigh at this point, Louis,

543
00:32:19,965 --> 00:32:21,045
Speaker 2: I lost.

544
00:32:21,084 --> 00:32:23,045
Speaker 1: Well, I was one hundred and sixty five. I went

545
00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:28,005
Speaker 1: down to sixty five, so I was a skeleton. And

546
00:32:29,005 --> 00:32:34,445
Speaker 1: so we're now. The situation for the next forty three

547
00:32:34,525 --> 00:32:37,005
Speaker 1: days on land was far worse than being on the

548
00:32:37,084 --> 00:32:40,844
Speaker 1: life raft. So I used to pray there, God get

549
00:32:40,925 --> 00:32:42,285
Speaker 1: me out on that right, and I want to die

550
00:32:42,325 --> 00:32:45,844
Speaker 1: out there was clean and beautiful sky, but here we

551
00:32:45,965 --> 00:32:52,045
Speaker 1: were in this filth, constant, permanent diarrhea, and then all

552
00:32:52,365 --> 00:32:56,645
Speaker 1: kinds of things happened. They injected us and submarine launched there,

553
00:32:56,685 --> 00:33:00,124
Speaker 1: and eighty men we'd come ashore and you know, change

554
00:33:00,165 --> 00:33:02,565
Speaker 1: us and spit on us and fell rocked at us.

555
00:33:02,645 --> 00:33:06,965
Speaker 1: And but I tell them, the most disappointing thing was

556
00:33:07,084 --> 00:33:11,925
Speaker 1: when we went before the interrogation panel. Six naval ulcers

557
00:33:11,965 --> 00:33:15,965
Speaker 1: and white uniforms with gold braid medals all that, And

558
00:33:16,685 --> 00:33:22,885
Speaker 1: before the interrogation started, one of the ulcers said, mister

559
00:33:22,965 --> 00:33:26,685
Speaker 1: Zamprin or Lieutenant Zamparty, when you were entering USC in

560
00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:31,525
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, I was graduating, and this guy said

561
00:33:31,565 --> 00:33:33,565
Speaker 1: he was a trojanman, and that was hard for me

562
00:33:33,685 --> 00:33:37,245
Speaker 1: to believe. He was the most obnoxious of the six,

563
00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:43,604
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't figure it out. I finally had

564
00:33:43,645 --> 00:33:46,845
Speaker 1: to come to the conclusion that he was a third

565
00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:48,525
Speaker 1: year transfer from UCLA.

566
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:58,685
Speaker 2: So but ultimately you were to meet the cruelest of

567
00:33:58,805 --> 00:34:02,405
Speaker 2: all men. His nickname was the Bird.

568
00:34:03,885 --> 00:34:07,164
Speaker 1: What was his actual name, missus Cheryl Watson Nabby.

569
00:34:07,685 --> 00:34:16,245
Speaker 2: This man singled you out and beat you, mercilessly, tormented you,

570
00:34:17,885 --> 00:34:23,165
Speaker 2: just gave you the worst treatment imaginable, and it became.

571
00:34:23,725 --> 00:34:26,045
Speaker 2: He became like a plague to you, didn't he.

572
00:34:26,805 --> 00:34:30,445
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it all started when I was put into Ofuna.

573
00:34:31,285 --> 00:34:36,605
Speaker 1: That's a secret camp and it's for high profile prisoners.

574
00:34:36,645 --> 00:34:40,205
Speaker 1: People they like Pappy Boynen was shot down Friday. He's

575
00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:43,365
Speaker 1: there Saturday. He's got a current information. And now the

576
00:34:43,485 --> 00:34:47,325
Speaker 1: head interrogator there, what's the sc with me? And I

577
00:34:47,525 --> 00:34:51,885
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, I'm not a high profile presner.

578
00:34:52,605 --> 00:34:55,165
Speaker 1: Forty seven days on the raft, forty three days in

579
00:34:55,285 --> 00:35:00,525
Speaker 1: the cell. I once getting to Yokohama, he wouldn't tell

580
00:35:00,605 --> 00:35:04,445
Speaker 1: me anything. But after a year and a month, I'm

581
00:35:04,525 --> 00:35:09,685
Speaker 1: transhferred to headquarters. O'morey and I found out the reason

582
00:35:09,765 --> 00:35:11,925
Speaker 1: why it takes a year and a month to be

583
00:35:12,045 --> 00:35:14,845
Speaker 1: declared dead. And they were waiting for me to be

584
00:35:14,965 --> 00:35:18,845
Speaker 1: cleared dead so they could condemn America. And they and

585
00:35:18,965 --> 00:35:22,165
Speaker 1: the first propaganda they had on the radio and I

586
00:35:22,205 --> 00:35:27,085
Speaker 1: think it's in the book. And then the purpose was

587
00:35:27,205 --> 00:35:31,125
Speaker 1: because on Quadalon we were a day of execution was set.

588
00:35:31,565 --> 00:35:34,884
Speaker 1: But another ulser came there and said it would better

589
00:35:34,965 --> 00:35:37,765
Speaker 1: serve Japan's purpose to send Louis on to Tokyo to

590
00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:41,725
Speaker 1: make propaganda broadcast, so that saved on life. But when

591
00:35:41,805 --> 00:35:45,005
Speaker 1: day I made this broadcast to my parents, that was

592
00:35:45,085 --> 00:35:49,565
Speaker 1: just the ruse, the first step, and it's the time

593
00:35:49,685 --> 00:35:52,805
Speaker 1: I went to the radio. They provided me with the

594
00:35:52,885 --> 00:35:56,325
Speaker 1: script that they wrote, and it was propaganda and they

595
00:35:56,365 --> 00:35:59,285
Speaker 1: were subtle, but then that's the way they get. You said, well,

596
00:35:59,325 --> 00:36:01,605
Speaker 1: it's not that bad. Then the next time it's a

597
00:36:01,685 --> 00:36:05,125
Speaker 1: little stronger. And I refused to read it and I

598
00:36:05,365 --> 00:36:07,805
Speaker 1: was able to steal a copy, which is in the book.

599
00:36:07,885 --> 00:36:20,725
Speaker 1: I think and uh and I so then the bird

600
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,805
Speaker 1: was mean enough as it was, but I think they

601
00:36:22,845 --> 00:36:26,885
Speaker 1: gave him orders to make my life miserable so I

602
00:36:26,925 --> 00:36:29,805
Speaker 1: would accept the better life of a cafeteria, food and

603
00:36:30,005 --> 00:36:34,365
Speaker 1: radio Tokyo. In a hotel room, I met two Australians

604
00:36:34,405 --> 00:36:36,405
Speaker 1: and an American that were doing that. And when I

605
00:36:36,445 --> 00:36:39,765
Speaker 1: shook their hands, they couldn't look in my eyes, and

606
00:36:39,925 --> 00:36:42,285
Speaker 1: I think they were sending me a message there's no

607
00:36:42,365 --> 00:36:44,125
Speaker 1: way I could do it. I may not have to

608
00:36:44,205 --> 00:36:46,325
Speaker 1: live with that the rest of my life. And so

609
00:36:46,445 --> 00:36:49,565
Speaker 1: I was sent to a slave labor camp and I thought,

610
00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:52,605
Speaker 1: thank god, I'm getting away from mister showatsonaby the bird,

611
00:36:53,325 --> 00:36:56,765
Speaker 1: but then he was transferred to another camp. There's a

612
00:36:57,085 --> 00:37:00,364
Speaker 1: ninety camps in Japan, proper, Well, he's one of those

613
00:37:00,445 --> 00:37:05,765
Speaker 1: camps there Jewish. Later, I'm transferred to another camp, told

614
00:37:05,805 --> 00:37:07,965
Speaker 1: to stand the attention and faced the guard shack, and

615
00:37:08,045 --> 00:37:12,365
Speaker 1: I did, and the door opens and outsteps watch the knobby.

616
00:37:12,885 --> 00:37:16,045
Speaker 1: And I my knees buckled, and I thought, I'm useless, useless,

617
00:37:16,685 --> 00:37:20,685
Speaker 1: and I'll start all over again. And so he worked

618
00:37:20,725 --> 00:37:23,285
Speaker 1: me over right right to the end. But he knew

619
00:37:23,325 --> 00:37:26,285
Speaker 1: the war was over two days before we did. And

620
00:37:26,525 --> 00:37:28,645
Speaker 1: so he's the bird flew the coop.

621
00:37:28,725 --> 00:37:33,525
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're what you would eat some days you

622
00:37:33,525 --> 00:37:37,125
Speaker 2: would be given a ball of rice right thrown on

623
00:37:37,205 --> 00:37:40,285
Speaker 2: the ground. In your book Unbroken, it says the food

624
00:37:40,445 --> 00:37:44,565
Speaker 2: was infested with rat droppings, maggots, and so much stand

625
00:37:44,685 --> 00:37:47,965
Speaker 2: in grit that Louis's teeth were soon pitted, chipped and cracked.

626
00:37:48,845 --> 00:37:53,885
Speaker 2: The men nicknamed the Russians all dumpo. Yeah, it's just horrible.

627
00:37:54,365 --> 00:37:56,645
Speaker 1: Well that's why I think guys were dying. We lost

628
00:37:56,725 --> 00:38:00,365
Speaker 1: eighty eighty guys in one winner, in one camp, and

629
00:38:00,485 --> 00:38:05,085
Speaker 1: that happened all over Japan. And the food was right,

630
00:38:05,565 --> 00:38:08,685
Speaker 1: it wasn't rice. Rice was a luxury. It was I

631
00:38:08,765 --> 00:38:11,605
Speaker 1: think it was Miller some kind of red grain, but

632
00:38:11,725 --> 00:38:14,725
Speaker 1: it had grit in it and stuff like that that

633
00:38:15,725 --> 00:38:19,605
Speaker 1: chipped our teeth. And then they gave us a toothpowder

634
00:38:20,125 --> 00:38:23,325
Speaker 1: which was pomis with mint in it, and that wore

635
00:38:23,365 --> 00:38:28,325
Speaker 1: the enamel off of our teeth. So that's prison life.

636
00:38:28,805 --> 00:38:31,925
Speaker 2: Yeah. So World War two finally comes to an end.

637
00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:36,125
Speaker 2: The Japanese really are not willing to surrender. President Chuman

638
00:38:36,165 --> 00:38:38,965
Speaker 2: gives the order and the atomic bomb has dropped in

639
00:38:39,085 --> 00:38:44,765
Speaker 2: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan finally surrenders, and Louis Zamparini, who

640
00:38:44,885 --> 00:38:48,965
Speaker 2: is thought dead but is alive, returns home to a

641
00:38:49,645 --> 00:38:52,125
Speaker 2: heroes welcome. Is that how it was when he came

642
00:38:52,165 --> 00:38:52,605
Speaker 2: home again.

643
00:38:53,165 --> 00:38:56,325
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody was startled and I was alive. I mean,

644
00:38:56,565 --> 00:38:58,884
Speaker 1: the official distin is happy that I had had home.

645
00:38:59,605 --> 00:39:03,565
Speaker 1: And my parents wouldn't They wouldn't believe it. They just

646
00:39:03,685 --> 00:39:06,805
Speaker 1: had a lot of parents had home. But my brother

647
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:09,005
Speaker 1: said to my mom and dad, don't worry about RUI.

648
00:39:09,005 --> 00:39:11,325
Speaker 1: If he's got a toothbrush, he can survive anywhere.

649
00:39:11,765 --> 00:39:15,685
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you did, and you married Cynthia Applewhite. You

650
00:39:15,805 --> 00:39:19,005
Speaker 2: told me a story last night where you said that

651
00:39:19,325 --> 00:39:22,645
Speaker 2: all the hardship you went through in the war helped

652
00:39:22,685 --> 00:39:24,845
Speaker 2: prepare you for marriage. Do you remember.

653
00:39:27,605 --> 00:39:32,365
Speaker 1: How did that go? Well? I don't know why I

654
00:39:32,445 --> 00:39:34,765
Speaker 1: said that, but after I carried the torture, now I know,

655
00:39:34,925 --> 00:39:38,045
Speaker 1: the mayor and had me up to answer a questions

656
00:39:38,085 --> 00:39:40,525
Speaker 1: at the city council. And that was the question he

657
00:39:40,685 --> 00:39:44,325
Speaker 1: asked me, did anything good come out of her being

658
00:39:44,365 --> 00:39:46,045
Speaker 1: a pergram war for two and a half years? And

659
00:39:46,165 --> 00:39:49,805
Speaker 1: I just said, yeah, prepared me for fifty five years

660
00:39:49,845 --> 00:39:57,605
Speaker 1: of married life. But actually, if it hadn't been for

661
00:39:58,325 --> 00:40:02,205
Speaker 1: the war, or watch the nabby and the post traumatic stress,

662
00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:06,965
Speaker 1: that's what drove me to Christ. When I got on

663
00:40:07,045 --> 00:40:09,645
Speaker 1: my knees and accepted Christ, what a relief to know

664
00:40:09,805 --> 00:40:11,845
Speaker 1: that I'd passed from one life into another.

665
00:40:17,365 --> 00:40:22,805
Speaker 2: So, but prior to your commitment to Christ, said the

666
00:40:22,845 --> 00:40:26,845
Speaker 2: Billy Graham Crusade in Los Angeles, you started drinking heavily.

667
00:40:26,965 --> 00:40:30,965
Speaker 2: You were experiencing what we now call post traumatic stress syndrome,

668
00:40:31,045 --> 00:40:32,765
Speaker 2: but back then they didn't have a name for it.

669
00:40:33,205 --> 00:40:37,365
Speaker 2: You were having nightmares about the bird. One night you

670
00:40:37,485 --> 00:40:40,965
Speaker 2: woke up with your hands around your wife's throat, thinking

671
00:40:41,045 --> 00:40:44,125
Speaker 2: you were choking the bird. Correct, well, we.

672
00:40:44,565 --> 00:40:47,485
Speaker 1: Were both scared. I just I couldn't figure out what

673
00:40:47,645 --> 00:40:51,045
Speaker 1: was happening. But the nightmares started in prison because every

674
00:40:51,165 --> 00:40:53,405
Speaker 1: day when he would punish me, I'd clinch my fist

675
00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:56,364
Speaker 1: and he knew I wanted to hit him, and he said,

676
00:40:56,365 --> 00:40:58,005
Speaker 1: if I grow on my short I must use it.

677
00:40:58,685 --> 00:41:01,965
Speaker 1: So I had nightmares there all the way home. And

678
00:41:02,765 --> 00:41:05,245
Speaker 1: there was never a night I didn't dream about getting

679
00:41:05,325 --> 00:41:09,645
Speaker 1: the and uh so, but when I woke up in

680
00:41:09,725 --> 00:41:13,045
Speaker 1: a coach with my hand around my wife's throat, that

681
00:41:13,245 --> 00:41:15,765
Speaker 1: really scared me, and of course it scared her. And

682
00:41:17,285 --> 00:41:20,925
Speaker 1: and then she and we were a young couple in

683
00:41:21,005 --> 00:41:24,725
Speaker 1: the apartment. Came to our apartment and knocked on the

684
00:41:24,805 --> 00:41:27,844
Speaker 1: door and started telling us about a young advangelist coming

685
00:41:27,885 --> 00:41:30,844
Speaker 1: to LA and he started to quote scripture and boy

686
00:41:30,925 --> 00:41:33,245
Speaker 1: that and that hit me. I said, hey, I'm out

687
00:41:33,245 --> 00:41:36,965
Speaker 1: of here. And my wife listens. And then when Billy came,

688
00:41:37,085 --> 00:41:39,845
Speaker 1: they talked her to going down with them, and she

689
00:41:40,485 --> 00:41:44,245
Speaker 1: in the meantime, she had already filed for divorce. And

690
00:41:44,405 --> 00:41:47,125
Speaker 1: then when she came home and tried to get me

691
00:41:47,245 --> 00:41:50,485
Speaker 1: to go down, I fought her. Uh but then she

692
00:41:50,605 --> 00:41:53,125
Speaker 1: said something that softened me up. She said, because of

693
00:41:53,205 --> 00:41:56,805
Speaker 1: my conversion, I'm not going to get a divorce. Well,

694
00:41:56,845 --> 00:41:59,245
Speaker 1: that really stopped me up a bit, and so she

695
00:41:59,445 --> 00:42:01,725
Speaker 1: was able to persuade me to go down here Billy.

696
00:42:02,445 --> 00:42:05,245
Speaker 1: But then again he was quoting scripture, and that really

697
00:42:05,685 --> 00:42:08,165
Speaker 1: hit me between the eyes, and I said, I don't

698
00:42:08,205 --> 00:42:10,085
Speaker 1: need anybody to tell me I'm a sinner. I know

699
00:42:10,205 --> 00:42:12,884
Speaker 1: I have. And so I got mad, pulled her on home.

700
00:42:13,725 --> 00:42:16,325
Speaker 1: But the next day she's all over me again, and

701
00:42:17,165 --> 00:42:20,085
Speaker 1: I said, okay, okay, I'll go back on one condition.

702
00:42:20,485 --> 00:42:22,605
Speaker 1: When he says every head bound and every eye clothes

703
00:42:22,645 --> 00:42:25,925
Speaker 1: were out, and so back again we went, and Billy's

704
00:42:26,365 --> 00:42:29,925
Speaker 1: finishing his sermon and I said, let's go. And then

705
00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:33,525
Speaker 1: he said something like when people come to the end

706
00:42:33,565 --> 00:42:35,285
Speaker 1: of their rope and they have no wh else to turn,

707
00:42:35,325 --> 00:42:38,485
Speaker 1: they turn to God. And I thought, yeah, that's what

708
00:42:38,645 --> 00:42:42,365
Speaker 1: I did. And on the raft in prison camp, all

709
00:42:42,445 --> 00:42:44,845
Speaker 1: the printers were praying about the same prayer, get me

710
00:42:44,925 --> 00:42:47,125
Speaker 1: home alive to my family, and I'll seek you and

711
00:42:47,245 --> 00:42:49,845
Speaker 1: serve you. Well, he got me home alive, and I

712
00:42:49,925 --> 00:42:52,445
Speaker 1: didn't keep my promise, and that really hit me between

713
00:42:52,485 --> 00:42:54,844
Speaker 1: the eyes. So instead of leaving the tent, and went

714
00:42:54,925 --> 00:42:57,605
Speaker 1: back to the prayer room and made a confession of

715
00:42:57,645 --> 00:42:58,565
Speaker 1: my faith in Christ.

716
00:43:07,445 --> 00:43:10,125
Speaker 2: In an interview you did Louis, you made this statement

717
00:43:10,165 --> 00:43:13,485
Speaker 2: about your conversion quote. I got off my knees, and

718
00:43:13,605 --> 00:43:16,805
Speaker 2: somehow I knew I was through getting drunk. I knew it.

719
00:43:17,365 --> 00:43:19,965
Speaker 2: I knew that I forgave all of my guards, including

720
00:43:20,085 --> 00:43:22,645
Speaker 2: the bird. I think proof of that is that I

721
00:43:22,725 --> 00:43:25,685
Speaker 2: had nightmares every night about the bird since the war,

722
00:43:26,085 --> 00:43:28,765
Speaker 2: and I haven't had a nightmare since the night I

723
00:43:28,965 --> 00:43:33,645
Speaker 2: made my decision for Jesus Christ nineteen forty nine till now.

724
00:43:33,925 --> 00:43:42,725
Speaker 2: That's right, it's still true. So now you wanted to

725
00:43:42,845 --> 00:43:45,884
Speaker 2: kill the bird. You've made a commitment to Jesus Christ

726
00:43:45,965 --> 00:43:49,365
Speaker 2: at a Billy Graham crusade, and you've been able to

727
00:43:49,445 --> 00:43:53,364
Speaker 2: forgive him. So you return to Japan and you want

728
00:43:53,485 --> 00:43:57,765
Speaker 2: to actually talk with him and meet him. And you

729
00:43:57,965 --> 00:44:01,205
Speaker 2: actually wrote a letter to him because you were told

730
00:44:01,245 --> 00:44:03,965
Speaker 2: that he was no longer alive, but you wrote a

731
00:44:04,085 --> 00:44:05,885
Speaker 2: letter in hopes of meeting, in which you read that

732
00:44:06,045 --> 00:44:12,805
Speaker 2: letter to us, to.

733
00:44:12,925 --> 00:44:16,365
Speaker 1: Missus Sieur Watsonaby as the results of my prisoner of

734
00:44:16,485 --> 00:44:22,005
Speaker 1: war experience, under your unwanted and unreasonable punishment, my post

735
00:44:22,085 --> 00:44:25,725
Speaker 1: war life became a nightmare. It was not so much

736
00:44:25,885 --> 00:44:28,365
Speaker 1: due to the pain and the suffering, as it was

737
00:44:28,525 --> 00:44:32,525
Speaker 1: to the tension of stress and humiliation that caused me

738
00:44:32,685 --> 00:44:36,605
Speaker 1: to hate with the vengeance. Under your discipline, my rights

739
00:44:36,685 --> 00:44:39,285
Speaker 1: not only as a prisoner but also as a human

740
00:44:39,405 --> 00:44:43,085
Speaker 1: being were stripped from me. It was a struggle to

741
00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:47,205
Speaker 1: maintain enough dignity and hope to live until the war's end.

742
00:44:48,005 --> 00:44:51,205
Speaker 1: The post war nightmares caused my life to crumble, but

743
00:44:51,365 --> 00:44:55,405
Speaker 1: thanks to a confrontation with God through the evangelist Billy Graham,

744
00:44:55,445 --> 00:44:58,805
Speaker 1: I committed my life to Christ. Love replaced the hate

745
00:44:58,885 --> 00:45:01,925
Speaker 1: I had for you. Christ said, forgive your enemies and

746
00:45:02,045 --> 00:45:05,085
Speaker 1: pray for them. As you probably know, I returned to

747
00:45:05,165 --> 00:45:08,925
Speaker 1: Japan in nineteen fifty two and was graciously allowed to

748
00:45:09,045 --> 00:45:13,725
Speaker 1: address all the Japanese war criminals at Sugamo Prison. I

749
00:45:13,885 --> 00:45:16,965
Speaker 1: asked them about you and was told that you probably

750
00:45:17,165 --> 00:45:20,645
Speaker 1: had committed Harry Kirey, which I was sad to hear

751
00:45:21,405 --> 00:45:24,765
Speaker 1: at that moment. Like the others, I also forgave you

752
00:45:25,005 --> 00:45:33,645
Speaker 1: and now would hope that you would also become a Christian. Now.

753
00:45:37,325 --> 00:45:39,565
Speaker 2: As it turns out, and you found out later, the

754
00:45:39,605 --> 00:45:43,245
Speaker 2: bird was actually still alive. He was running from the authorities.

755
00:45:43,285 --> 00:45:46,685
Speaker 2: He was a declared war criminal. He became aware of

756
00:45:46,765 --> 00:45:49,245
Speaker 2: the fact that you wanted to meet with him, but

757
00:45:50,165 --> 00:45:52,085
Speaker 2: he agreed to meet you, and then at the last

758
00:45:52,205 --> 00:45:54,965
Speaker 2: minute he refused to meet you. Is that correct?

759
00:45:55,565 --> 00:46:00,405
Speaker 1: Well, it was the sixty minutes did the video, the

760
00:46:00,485 --> 00:46:03,645
Speaker 1: one that won the Emmy award, And they did get

761
00:46:03,925 --> 00:46:07,685
Speaker 1: him on the street and that was the first interview

762
00:46:07,725 --> 00:46:12,965
Speaker 1: of his life, and they he agreed to talk to him,

763
00:46:13,485 --> 00:46:15,445
Speaker 1: but then his son and grandson came out of the

764
00:46:15,525 --> 00:46:22,245
Speaker 1: house and then sixty minutes did you know, a condemnation thing,

765
00:46:23,165 --> 00:46:25,725
Speaker 1: accused him of all these crimes, and the son and

766
00:46:25,765 --> 00:46:28,205
Speaker 1: grandson didn't know he was a guard. He didn't know

767
00:46:28,325 --> 00:46:32,085
Speaker 1: he was wanted by MacArthur. And boy, they stopped and said,

768
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:34,405
Speaker 1: no more of this. Now some of that happened. He

769
00:46:34,485 --> 00:46:38,005
Speaker 1: said he would meet with me, but after the son

770
00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:43,364
Speaker 1: and grandson I stopped the whole conversation. I never got

771
00:46:43,405 --> 00:46:45,925
Speaker 1: to meet with him. Nobody could talk to on the

772
00:46:46,005 --> 00:46:49,765
Speaker 1: phone or saim in person. And he died about I

773
00:46:49,885 --> 00:46:51,085
Speaker 1: guess five or six years ago.

774
00:46:51,485 --> 00:46:53,805
Speaker 2: Well that was his loss, I tell you. But you know,

775
00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:57,125
Speaker 2: to listen to your life, Louis is so amazing. It's

776
00:46:57,205 --> 00:47:01,285
Speaker 2: like you've lived multiple lives. That Louis the Olympic athlete,

777
00:47:01,885 --> 00:47:05,165
Speaker 2: the Torrents Tornado, who shook the hand of Adolf Hitler.

778
00:47:05,725 --> 00:47:08,605
Speaker 2: Louis the World War Two vet who fought for his country.

779
00:47:09,285 --> 00:47:12,525
Speaker 2: Louis the survivor of a horrific plane crash, of being

780
00:47:12,605 --> 00:47:15,765
Speaker 2: a drift at sea for forty seven days. Louis the

781
00:47:15,925 --> 00:47:20,085
Speaker 2: concentration camp survivor, and then a man who plunged into

782
00:47:20,165 --> 00:47:25,965
Speaker 2: alcoholism and was transformed by Jesus Christ. And you were

783
00:47:26,045 --> 00:47:29,565
Speaker 2: able to forgive the people that did this horrific thing

784
00:47:29,645 --> 00:47:32,245
Speaker 2: to you. And there are people here with us tonight

785
00:47:32,365 --> 00:47:36,165
Speaker 2: or watching or listening on the internet, and they've been

786
00:47:36,205 --> 00:47:38,925
Speaker 2: wronged in life, They've been heard in life, and they

787
00:47:39,085 --> 00:47:42,884
Speaker 2: probably said I could never forgive, But you were able

788
00:47:42,965 --> 00:47:46,125
Speaker 2: to forgive. How were you able to extend that forgiveness?

789
00:47:46,165 --> 00:47:50,485
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know when has happened. I received Christ

790
00:47:50,485 --> 00:47:52,725
Speaker 1: as my savior. I knew when I was still on

791
00:47:52,805 --> 00:47:55,565
Speaker 1: my names that I was a different person, and I

792
00:47:55,685 --> 00:47:59,085
Speaker 1: didn't know what happened. And then later courses I began

793
00:47:59,165 --> 00:48:02,365
Speaker 1: to study the script that I realized that when I

794
00:48:02,605 --> 00:48:06,925
Speaker 1: invited Christ into my life, therefore a man be in Christ.

795
00:48:06,965 --> 00:48:10,285
Speaker 1: He's a new person, new creation. And that that was

796
00:48:10,365 --> 00:48:12,605
Speaker 1: the answer. But at that time I didn't note. I

797
00:48:12,765 --> 00:48:15,965
Speaker 1: just knew something phenomenal happened that I had no not

798
00:48:16,165 --> 00:48:19,885
Speaker 1: the slightest hate for the bird anymore. I loved everybody.

799
00:48:20,045 --> 00:48:25,125
Speaker 1: And so the first miracle was not having the nightmares,

800
00:48:25,805 --> 00:48:28,125
Speaker 1: or I should say my conversion of not having nightmares.

801
00:48:28,205 --> 00:48:32,364
Speaker 1: And then the third miracle was the Bible. I could

802
00:48:32,405 --> 00:48:35,165
Speaker 1: never understand it. In the Pacific, they gave us olive

803
00:48:35,245 --> 00:48:38,445
Speaker 1: grab bibles and nobody could understand it, and we just

804
00:48:38,525 --> 00:48:41,685
Speaker 1: threw it in our foot locker. So I took my

805
00:48:42,125 --> 00:48:44,725
Speaker 1: olive drab New Testament. I walked up into the Hollywood

806
00:48:44,805 --> 00:48:47,765
Speaker 1: Park and I started to read it, and now it

807
00:48:47,885 --> 00:48:53,485
Speaker 1: made sense. And when I got to the the crucifixion

808
00:48:53,525 --> 00:48:57,005
Speaker 1: on the cross and the treatment that God the Son

809
00:48:57,085 --> 00:49:01,125
Speaker 1: went through, and the torture and the humiliation, I started

810
00:49:01,165 --> 00:49:04,565
Speaker 1: to cry. I never cried my life, but nobody could

811
00:49:04,605 --> 00:49:06,885
Speaker 1: make me cry, as I was just defiant. But this

812
00:49:07,125 --> 00:49:07,365
Speaker 1: did it.

813
00:49:08,805 --> 00:49:13,165
Speaker 2: Wow, how does a person accept Jesus Christ? Louis, you

814
00:49:13,245 --> 00:49:15,925
Speaker 2: heard Billy preach, and I know you know what it

815
00:49:16,045 --> 00:49:18,365
Speaker 2: means to follow Christ. And I know you've shared this

816
00:49:18,485 --> 00:49:22,005
Speaker 2: with many people, but someone's listening, right, now they would say,

817
00:49:22,365 --> 00:49:25,725
Speaker 2: I want to have a relationship with God like Louis Zamperini.

818
00:49:25,805 --> 00:49:26,645
Speaker 2: What do they need to do?

819
00:49:27,485 --> 00:49:30,805
Speaker 1: Well, First of all, they have to realize that God

820
00:49:30,885 --> 00:49:32,885
Speaker 1: had promised he would come to earth some day, and

821
00:49:32,965 --> 00:49:38,445
Speaker 1: he came in Jesus Christ. God was in Christ reconciling

822
00:49:38,565 --> 00:49:45,165
Speaker 1: man unto himself. And John three sixteen that tells us

823
00:49:45,605 --> 00:49:48,245
Speaker 1: why he came. For God to love the world. He

824
00:49:48,325 --> 00:49:51,085
Speaker 1: gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believe with him

825
00:49:51,085 --> 00:49:54,045
Speaker 1: should not perish, but have revelation in life very clear.

826
00:49:54,565 --> 00:49:57,605
Speaker 1: And then further he says, if thou will confess with

827
00:49:57,725 --> 00:50:00,725
Speaker 1: thy mouth the Lord Jesus, I believe in thine heart

828
00:50:00,805 --> 00:50:04,165
Speaker 1: that God read him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

829
00:50:04,245 --> 00:50:08,245
Speaker 1: And boy, that is a and I really turning about.

830
00:50:09,485 --> 00:50:11,725
Speaker 1: That's what conversion is. One hundred and eighty. You reach

831
00:50:11,805 --> 00:50:14,565
Speaker 1: from where you're going. You're going south, and now you're

832
00:50:14,605 --> 00:50:19,085
Speaker 1: going north. And I'll tell you that my life further

833
00:50:19,165 --> 00:50:23,925
Speaker 1: since it has been a bubble. But I've gone through

834
00:50:23,965 --> 00:50:27,485
Speaker 1: some awful things since I've been a Christian, and God

835
00:50:27,605 --> 00:50:30,605
Speaker 1: tested me, especially when I said, oh, yeah, I believe

836
00:50:30,645 --> 00:50:33,605
Speaker 1: all things work together for good. And then I broke

837
00:50:33,645 --> 00:50:38,165
Speaker 1: my hip, and I thought, Lord, I know all things

838
00:50:38,205 --> 00:50:42,565
Speaker 1: work together for good. This better be good. And every

839
00:50:42,685 --> 00:50:45,605
Speaker 1: time something happened to me since I've been a Christian,

840
00:50:45,685 --> 00:50:48,685
Speaker 1: it always worked together for good. So now I'm one

841
00:50:48,725 --> 00:50:51,125
Speaker 1: hundred percent believer in that. That is the toughest thing

842
00:50:51,205 --> 00:50:54,205
Speaker 1: to accept in the Bible, is to believe that everything

843
00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:56,844
Speaker 1: that happens works together for good.

844
00:50:57,005 --> 00:50:58,005
Speaker 2: Yes, it is