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Speaker 2: In today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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Speaker 3: We start out in life we are the absolute universe

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Speaker 3: me that I the baby am I am the universe?

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Speaker 3: Even your mother? I mean this is you know, classical psychology.

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Speaker 3: Your mother is part of you and it's part Why

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Speaker 3: why is it a tough time to be a baby

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Speaker 3: and grow up? All of a sudden it's as you

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Speaker 3: get older you were like, oh, mommy isn't part of me?

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Speaker 3: And Judith Yors wrote an excellent book on this. Necessary losses.

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Speaker 3: Life is a constant necessary losses stage. When you lose

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Speaker 3: that comfort of I and mommy, you're one and all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden you wait a minute, there is another.

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Speaker 3: Would you ever try to explain to a two year

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Speaker 3: old or three year old that you have your own life? Right?

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Speaker 1: You're laughing, it's absurd trying to reason.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to understand, mommy and daddy have

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Speaker 3: not made love in two and a half years, and

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Speaker 3: we would really like to this evening, So shut up.

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Speaker 3: You know that doesn't work. They don't care. The trick

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Speaker 3: in life is to in fact grow up and know

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Speaker 3: that you are not the center.

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Speaker 2: That's coming up on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of hours

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Speaker 2: of Dennis's lectures courses in classic radio programs. Had to

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Speaker 2: purchase Dennis Brager's Rational Bibles, go to Dennisprager dot com.

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Speaker 3: I wish to tell you that some chapters of the Torah,

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Speaker 3: and certainly of Genesis, are richer than others. I didn't

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Speaker 3: write it. I'm not responsible for that. We are at

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Speaker 3: parts now that are not as rich in staggeringly, you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously for which I spend a great deal of time.

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Speaker 3: I think I spent hours just on the first chapter.

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Speaker 3: But of course, as I say, the tapes are available.

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Speaker 3: We are now at chapter forty seven or forty six, yes,

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Speaker 3: forty six. Thank you, good glad you remembered. Just to

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Speaker 3: bring you up to date, you newcomers. God creates the

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Speaker 3: world and then the troubles begin. That is really what

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Speaker 3: we're at. For those of you who come from a

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Speaker 3: dysfunctional family, Genesis is your book. I mean that very sincerely.

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Speaker 3: The book is entirely filled with the stories of dysfunctional families,

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Speaker 3: and it should be comforting in that regard. One of

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Speaker 3: the reasons I am a big fan of the Torah

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Speaker 3: and the Hebrew Bible is because it's filled with imperfect people,

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Speaker 3: and I have an easier time relating to perfect people

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Speaker 3: and to perfect ones. The point of all the dysfunctional

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Speaker 3: families is an interesting one. Perhaps our sites have been

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Speaker 3: set too high in our modern day about what we

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Speaker 3: expect from family and what we call normal. It is

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Speaker 3: very hard to achieve a Norman Rockwell home. In fact

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Speaker 3: that it's probably impossible, and then the vast majority of

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Speaker 3: cases haven't. And when you compare your family to Joseph's family,

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Speaker 3: which is what we're up to now, there's a good

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Speaker 3: chance that your siblings treated you better than Joseph's treated him.

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Speaker 3: Not many of you were in fact sold into slavery

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Speaker 3: by your siblings and then lied about to your father

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Speaker 3: that you were killed by a wild animal. And think

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Speaker 3: about it for a moment. It's extraordinary. Jacob is the patriarch.

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Speaker 3: He's also Israel by name. He has spoiled his youngest child, Joseph,

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Speaker 3: and then the younger after that, Benjamin. He does not

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Speaker 3: These are very interesting and important aspects psychologically to the text,

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Speaker 3: but the text is not primarily psychological. It wants to

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Speaker 3: tell you how the monotheistic idea came into the world.

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Speaker 3: Judaism is first and foremost ethical monotheism. Jews do not

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Speaker 3: know this, for which reason one could fill cups with tears,

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Speaker 3: that the Jews are terribly unaware of Judaism. A woman

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Speaker 3: in fact, where was it? Yeah, I was having I

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Speaker 3: And my point is not to complement my speech at all.

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Speaker 3: think Judaism is irrelevant. It's first and foremost messages monotheism.

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Speaker 3: There's one God and one ethic for the world. That's

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Speaker 1: And how do you bring that into the world.

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Speaker 3: How do you bring an idea that there is one

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Speaker 3: invisible God for everybody? How do you bring that into

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Speaker 3: One hundred million girls and women in the world have

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Speaker 3: We think that that's mutilation. But on what grounds can

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Speaker 3: you make that claim? If you don't believe that there

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Speaker 3: The only possible way is to say there's a universal morality,

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Speaker 3: you don't need clitoridectomy. About the Nuremberg Trials, on what

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Speaker 3: grounds could we have the Nuremberg trials. The Nazis who

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Speaker 3: That is what they called the Nuremberg trials. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: That's its message. And so you start with Abraham.

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Speaker 3: In this book, man Abraham is picked by God to

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Speaker 3: Now try that with the Chinese rulers in Tibet. Imagine

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Speaker 3: God tells Abraham that your descendants will be very numerous, but.

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Speaker 3: It's tough enough to believe in an invisible one God

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Speaker 3: You just can't imagine the extraordinary leap that it takes.

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Speaker 3: So we're still with a somewhat provincial view of God

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Speaker 3: in terms of the Jews.

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Speaker 2: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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Speaker 2: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Verse two, God called to Israel. Israel is Jacob's

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Speaker 3: It is an important trait in Judaism to struggle with God.

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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, there was one since where I

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Speaker 5: Yes, it says that the sons of Judah your own,

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Speaker 3: Long time? Yeah, it's a very it's very powerful in

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Speaker 3: the Hebrew. In the Hebrew literally it means he wept

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Speaker 3: on his neck more, which is But it's just it's

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Speaker 3: very powerful because it's not something I think in the

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Speaker 3: Torred or in the Bible at any other time that description.

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Speaker 3: You can only imagine Joseph's reaction at seeing his father,

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Speaker 3: who remember what did? He always ask when the brothers came,

435
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Speaker 3: even when he didn't admit he was.

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Speaker 1: Their brother, Is your father still alive?

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Speaker 3: Or is me not? Still? Is your father alive? Right? Then?

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Speaker 3: Israel said to Joseph, now I can die having seen

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Speaker 3: for myself that you are still alive.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of parents could relate to that.

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Speaker 3: Then Joseph said to his brothers and to his father's household,

442
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Speaker 3: I will go up and tell the news to Pharaoh,

443
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Speaker 3: and say to him, my brothers and my father's household,

444
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Speaker 3: who were in the land of Canan, have come to me.

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Speaker 3: The men are shepherds. They have always been breeders of livestock,

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Speaker 3: and they have brought with them their flocks and herds

447
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Speaker 3: and all that is theirs. So when Pharaoh summons you

448
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Speaker 3: and asks what's your occupation, you will answer, your servants

449
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Speaker 3: have been breeders of livestock from the start until now,

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Speaker 3: both three and our fathers, so that you may stay

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Speaker 3: in the region of Goshen.

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Speaker 1: For all, shepherds are abhorrent to Egyptians. It's an interesting

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Speaker 1: thing on a number of accounts.

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Speaker 3: First, Joseph is aware of the contempt that the Egyptians

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Speaker 3: had for shepherds, yet yet he tells him to tell

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Speaker 3: the truth. Part of it is he probably had a

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Speaker 3: good policy of telling the truth, which usually works in life.

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Speaker 3: I think there's another reason, though, since that profession is

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Speaker 3: abhorrent to Egyptians, maybe you will have a valued profession

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Speaker 3: you with me, almost like being the Egyptians shabisgut.

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Speaker 1: It's like when Orthodox.

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Speaker 3: Jews would use a non Jew to do things on

463
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Speaker 3: the Sabbath that they were prohibited to do. Like the

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Speaker 3: Jews would serve as the Egyptians doers of what was

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Speaker 3: prohibited to them. That's exactly what we need, because no

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Speaker 3: Egyptian with stoop solo to do that work. You get it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's almost like we feel, by the way

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Speaker 3: towards a lot of the work.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest that many immigrants to America do that.

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Speaker 3: Americans won't take Most Americans won't take such work. And

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Speaker 3: so it's that's perfect. How do you know we'll do it,

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Speaker 3: we'll take we'll do that work. Okay, come on in,

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Speaker 3: because others here won't take that work. That's what I

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Speaker 3: think is stated here in stating and this was abhorrent. Look,

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Speaker 3: you tell Pharaoh what we do, they hate doing it,

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Speaker 3: you'll get a good position. And that was Joseph's thinking,

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Speaker 3: and it worked out as you will see. Yep.

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Speaker 6: Could it also think that you know the us right?

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Speaker 3: Could it be that he wanted to keep the Jews apart? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it could be, it could be. But the but the

481
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Speaker 3: Jews wanted it too, they wanted their own area, so

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Speaker 3: it was a mutually desirable thing. By the way, it's

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Speaker 3: interesting too that you know, the Jews are embarking on

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Speaker 3: work for which they would be disliked in Egypt. And

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Speaker 3: it is also one of these recurrent themes in Jewish history.

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Speaker 3: Who were the money lenders in medieval Christendom Jews because

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Speaker 3: you couldn't lend money if you were Christian, And it's

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Speaker 3: often stated that medieval Christians were often anti Semitic because

489
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Speaker 3: Jews were money lenders, but of course it's the cart

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Speaker 3: before the horse. The Jews were money lenders because they

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Speaker 3: weren't allowed to do anything else. Those were reserved for Christians.

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Speaker 3: So it's like a lot of these are recurring patterns

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Speaker 3: in Jewish history of coming to a place, doing work

494
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Speaker 3: that is abhorred by the society in which they are,

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Speaker 3: and then being abhorred for doing the work that is

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Speaker 3: being abhorred. So it starts early, as it were, Chapter

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Speaker 3: forty seven. Then Joseph came and reported to Pharaoh saying,

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Speaker 3: my father and my brothers, with their flocks and herds

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Speaker 3: and all that is theirs have come from the land

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Speaker 3: of Canan, and now are in the region of Goshen,

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Speaker 3: and selecting a few of his brothers, he presented them

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Speaker 3: to Pharaoh. Pharaoh said to his brothers, what's your occupation?

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Speaker 3: And then you get exactly what was rehearsed. They answered, Pharaoh,

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Speaker 3: we your servants are shepherds, as were also our fathers.

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Speaker 1: We have come.

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Speaker 3: They told Pharaoh to sojourn in this land, for there

507
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Speaker 3: is no pasture for your servants flocks, the famine being

508
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Speaker 3: severe in the land of Canan. Pray, then, let your

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Speaker 3: servants stay in the region of Goshen. Then Pharaoh said

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Speaker 3: to Joseph. Notice he does not respond to the brothers.

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Speaker 3: He's Pharaoh after all. Okay, as regards your father and

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Speaker 3: your brothers who have come to you, the land of

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Speaker 3: Egypt is open. Before you settle your father and your

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Speaker 3: brothers in the best part of the land. Let them

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Speaker 3: stay in the region of Ghsha, and if you know

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Speaker 3: any capable men among them, put them in charge of

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Speaker 3: my livestock. Exactly what Joseph had anticipated is taking place here.

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Speaker 3: An important point that is made here by Sauna about

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Speaker 3: the word used.

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Speaker 1: What other words do you have this as sojourn?

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Speaker 3: What do you have? In verse four, we have come,

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Speaker 3: They told Pharaoh, you all have sojourn to stay.

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Speaker 1: The Hebrew word is lagur.

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Speaker 3: Lagur means to reside in modern Hebrew, but it comes

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Speaker 3: from the Hebrew dare, which is stranger. So we have

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Speaker 3: come to be stranger resident. I guess that's what sojourn

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Speaker 3: might mean. And he points out in this regard that

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Speaker 3: the use of the Hebrew la gour connects the migration

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Speaker 3: to Egypt with a divine prophecy to Abraham, know that

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Speaker 3: your offspring will be strangers, Gaarim. Even if you don't

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Speaker 3: know Hebrew, you hear the relationship between Gaher and Lagur

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Speaker 3: in a land not theirs. The awareness of their status

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Speaker 3: as strangers in Egypt left a deep imprint on the

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Speaker 3: Israelite consciousness that found expression in repeated ethical injunctions. Exodus

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Speaker 3: twenty to twenty, you shall not wrong a stranger or

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Speaker 3: oppress him. For your strangers in the land of Egypt, Gairim,

537
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Speaker 3: you shall not this is Exodus twenty three to nine.

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Speaker 3: You shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the

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Speaker 3: feelings of the stranger, having yourselves been strangers in the

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Speaker 3: land of Egypt.

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Speaker 1: Next Leviticus nineteen thirty four.

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Speaker 3: The stranger who resides with you shall be to you

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Speaker 3: as one of your citizens. You shall love him as

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Speaker 3: yourself for your strangers in the land of Egypt. And finally,

545
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Speaker 3: Uteronomy ten nineteen, you too must befriend the stranger, for

546
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Speaker 3: you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I will

547
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Speaker 3: just tell you a personal story in this regard. I

548
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Speaker 3: debated in nineteen eighty five Mayor Kahana National Radio, and

549
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Speaker 3: I cited him that it was a Torah principle that

550
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Speaker 3: Israel treat its Arab citizens perfectly decently, because the Torah

551
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Speaker 3: says you will love the stranger. And he said that

552
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Speaker 3: I was totally misinterpreting the text, that the word gahre

553
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Speaker 3: did not mean stranger, it meant convert.

554
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Speaker 1: And I said, how can that be. The sentence says.

555
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Speaker 3: Love the stranger because you were strangers in the land

556
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Speaker 3: of Egypt. If it meant convert, it would mean love

557
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: the convert because you were converts in the land of Egypt.

558
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Speaker 3: But the Jews didn't convert to Egyptian religion. It's an

559
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Speaker 3: absurd idea. It clearly means in all these texts it

560
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean convert. Even though the modern Hebrew for convert

561
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Speaker 3: is gear, which is where the confusion comes in or

562
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Speaker 3: the later Hebrew. This, by the way, is a problem

563
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Speaker 3: of later Judaism. Mayor Kahana was not distorting Talmudic texts

564
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Speaker 3: on this. The notion that Geir in the Torah meant

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Speaker 3: convert is not alien to the Tumud, and it's a

566
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Speaker 3: problem because it clearly means stranger. Indeed, I would argue,

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Speaker 3: and I have, so I won't develop this as much

568
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Speaker 3: now I did in one other session. I think the

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Speaker 3: single greatest injunction in the Torah is to love the stranger.

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Speaker 3: The older I get, the more I realize that is

571
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Speaker 3: the single greatest human task is to be able to

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Speaker 3: see those who are different from us as equally human,

573
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Speaker 3: and it is very rare. One of the only places

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Speaker 3: to embark on the belief has been America because in

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Speaker 3: all other societies blood was everything and remains everything.

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Speaker 1: You know, for example, and I certainly don't mean to

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Speaker 1: be critical.

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Speaker 3: Of a particular civilization, because you can take anyone. I'm

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Speaker 3: just using this because it's better known to me. Many

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Speaker 3: people will cite, for example, the very low homicide and

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Speaker 3: crime rates in Japan, and it is a correct thing

582
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Speaker 3: to cite, and it is a source of pride correctly

583
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Speaker 3: for the Japanese. But the Japanese have a terrible record historically,

584
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Speaker 3: and I mean this century, I don't mean fifteenth century

585
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Speaker 3: of treating any non Japanese. The horrendous treatment of Chinese

586
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Speaker 3: and Koreans, for example, are deeply.

587
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Enmeshed in the memory of East Asians.

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Speaker 3: And it is true for every group to be able

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Speaker 3: to see the other as real.

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Speaker 1: Is very tough. That's true for gender.

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Speaker 3: One of the most difficult things for boys to do

592
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Speaker 3: is see girls as real.

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Speaker 1: It is an immense challenge.

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Speaker 3: It is immensely helpful if a boy has a very work, good, working,

595
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Speaker 3: diological relationship with his mother, and even better, or perhaps

596
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Speaker 3: as good, if he has sisters with whom he has

597
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: real relations. By the way, it's true for girls. Girls

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Speaker 3: who don't grow up with brothers or so on, boys

599
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: are not real. And even if they do sometimes have

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Speaker 3: brothers or sisters the opposite sex, the opposite sex still

601
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: remains unreal. I mean, if that's true for your own

602
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Speaker 3: group and it's only the other gender, how much more

603
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Speaker 3: so is it true for those who are in other

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Speaker 3: groups entirely where it's just they're not real. That is

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Speaker 3: why I have cited a very interesting thing Thomas Kanneely,

606
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Speaker 3: who wrote Schindler's List. He is certainly aware of the

607
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: ramifications of racism. He has done a great service to

608
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Speaker 3: the world in writing this book. He wrote an article

609
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Speaker 3: in the Los Angeles Times, which is the proverbial tree

610
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Speaker 3: that fell in a forest that nobody heard because he

611
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: wrote in the article some things that people don't want

612
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Speaker 3: to hear. He wrote that racism is very natural to

613
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Speaker 3: the human being, which I have always felt. And I

614
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Speaker 3: think that these billboards that you might have seen in

615
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Speaker 3: our city of Los Angeles, our humanist romanticism, racism. Nobody

616
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Speaker 3: is born or racist. I think those were the billboards.

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Speaker 1: That's not true.

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Speaker 3: We are born racist, not in the sense that a

619
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Speaker 3: two year old will go, oh, you're black, I don't

620
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Speaker 3: like you. You're white, I don't like you, but in

621
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Speaker 3: the sense that the only real is himself.

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Speaker 2: This episode of timeless wisdom will continue right after this.

623
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Speaker 2: Now back to more of Dennis Brager's timeless wisdom.

624
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Speaker 1: The human being.

625
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Speaker 3: I tell you, when you have children at an older age,

626
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: you really it also becomes even clearer the human being.

627
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: The growth of the human is the growth away from

628
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 3: narcissism from you as the center of the world. Mark

629
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Speaker 3: you want to flip this over, Oh, it does it itself.

630
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Speaker 3: You did a good job. Look at that. He just

631
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: sits there and goes like this and it turns over.

632
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: We start out in life we are the absolute universe

633
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: me I that I the baby am I am the universe?

634
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Speaker 3: Even your mother? I mean this is you know, classical psychology.

635
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: Your mother is part of you, and it's part Why

636
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: is it a tough time to be a baby and

637
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: grow up? All of a sudden as you get older

638
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 3: you were like, oh, oh, mommy isn't part of me? And

639
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Judith Viors wrote an excellent book on this. Necessary losses

640
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: life is a constant necessary losses stage. When you lose

641
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: that comfort of I and mommy, you're one and all

642
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you wait a minute, there is another

643
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Speaker 3: what is Would you ever try to explain to a

644
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: two year old or three year old that you have

645
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: your own life? Right?

646
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: You're laughing, it's absurd, you know, trying to reason.

647
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, you have to understand, mommy and Daddy have

648
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: not made love in two and a half years, and

649
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: we would really like to this evening, So shut up.

650
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: You know that doesn't work. They don't care. The trick

651
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: in life is to in fact grow up and know

652
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: that you are not the same.

653
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: And what people have done is.

654
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: They have they what they do in order to stay

655
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: as a child is you make your group the larger baby.

656
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: That's what I really believe is done with intense nationalism

657
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: or religious chauvinism. I see you see to be an

658
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: autonomous individual, which I really believe and hear Eric from

659
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: and you shall be as gods, wrote one of the

660
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: seminal works I ever read. And I'm not always an

661
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: eric from Fan. But to grow up. God wants us

662
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: to grow up. I believe that deeply he wants us

663
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: to argue with him. He wants us to be autonomous beings.

664
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Speaker 3: But we don't want to grow up. Who wants to grow.

665
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: Up being an autonomous human being?

666
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: That's very hard, and so we will do whatever we

667
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 3: can to be stay a baby, stay at child. And

668
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: I see it with that's what nationalism, intense nationalism, intense

669
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: religious bunding is very like it's the comfort of the

670
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: womb all over again. Ah. I am with people who

671
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: are identical to me, and we are one. That's what Hitler,

672
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 3: which Hitler spoke that way, said he he would address

673
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 3: the crowds as children. They were. They were like children

674
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: that the million Germans at a Nuremberg rally, and they

675
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: loved it. We are all, We're all one. I have

676
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: spoken about this on the radio. I am frightened by

677
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: the term unity. My only unity I like is values

678
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: based unity I don't like. I don't like any other unities.

679
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: They scare me because if they're not based on values,

680
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: then then it means that I'm excluded. Your unity is

681
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: my exclusion. And I hold this for Jews, I hold

682
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: this for any group I don't know. Only hold this

683
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 3: for other groups. And and this is is this notion

684
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: that Sarna emphasizes here of loving the strangers as essential.

685
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: And again, how does the Torah teach it through empathy?

686
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: It keeps repeating, you know how it feels you can't

687
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: have morality without empathy. There was a story about Bosnian

688
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: women being raped. I read it on the air when

689
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: it was a newsweek how a woman was about to

690
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: be raped by a Serbian soldier and then she identified

691
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: herself to him and he remembered knowing her from before

692
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: the war, and he just stopped. He literally stopped in

693
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: the middle of rape.

694
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: Oh it's you.

695
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: You're not just a body. Your Anna. I don't know

696
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: what her name was, but a name. That is how

697
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: by the way, the Nazis could exterminate Jews, and I

698
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: used their term. The Jew in the death camp didn't

699
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: have a name, had a number. A name already makes

700
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: you real. He couldn't rape Anna. He could rape a

701
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: Bosnian woman, but not Anna. In fact, Himmler, the architect

702
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 3: with Eichmann of the Holocaust, in nineteen forty three in Posen, Poland,

703
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 3: gave a talk to the ss who are in charge

704
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: of the death camps, and he yelled at them. He said,

705
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, you don't understand how important your work is.

706
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: It's a speech you have to read.

707
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: It's beyond beyond human credibility to speech, how idealistic it

708
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: is to kill all Jews, and you have to understand

709
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: what great work you are doing. But in the middle

710
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: of the speech, he said, you know, listen.

711
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Every one of you, however.

712
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: Has one Jew you want a save.

713
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. You're not being noble to the cause.

714
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: When you know somebody, when you know their reality, it's

715
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: very hard to treat them as something else. Guy called me,

716
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: it's one of my I got to dig it up

717
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: and transcribe it. A white guy called me on the

718
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: phone about a year ago. So, Dennis, I'm becoming a racist.

719
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: Do you remember the call? I'm becoming a racist. I

720
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: want you to help me, which is very touching that

721
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: he would even say that. I said, what happened? He said,

722
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: a black man mugged me? And I had one question

723
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: because it was so simple. I have loved them. It's

724
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: probably the only black who ever touched him, or he

725
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: ever touched.

726
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: You can't.

727
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: When there is empathy. So the Torah keeps saying, empathize

728
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: you were strangers. Maybe that's why we had to be

729
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: in Egypt before we can get the toe. If I'm right,

730
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: If I'm right that the central teaching of the Torah

731
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: is love the stranger and that empathy is necessary in

732
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: order to live a moral life, then we had to

733
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 3: be strangers first. We had to be in exile. First,

734
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: we had to know what it's like to be the other.

735
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: Who's God going to give it to the Egyptians. They

736
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: didn't know what it's like to be a stranger. So

737
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: with all the moral teaching in the world. It doesn't

738
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: work nearly as well. Empathy is necessary. Contact Leo Beck,

739
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 3: the great Reform Jewish rabbi of Germany, a hero who

740
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: went back to Berlin to be with his people under

741
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: Hitler and survived the war, said in a speech that

742
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: Jacob Petekowsky may he rested peace. One of the great

743
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 3: reform rabbis of the twentieth century, told me personally he

744
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: heard in nineteen fifty six, eight years eleven years after

745
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: the holokout, he heard Beck. Rabbi Beck say, if every

746
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: German had a Jewish relative, there could not have been

747
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: a Holocaust. I don't know if that's correct. It strikes

748
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: me as very possible. I'll tell you.

749
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

750
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: And this goes against a lot of you know, it

751
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: goes against a lot of what Jews would want to believe.

752
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 3: The only Jews that the Nazis did in fact allow

753
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: to live were Jews in Germany who intermarried because their

754
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 3: German spouses made a demonstration in front of Nazi headquarters

755
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: in Berlin, and then they released those Jews. It's not

756
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: an argument for intermarriage, it's an argument for Jews relating

757
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: to non Jews. The more you isolate yourself, the less

758
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: you will be empathized with. Obviously, you're not real. The

759
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: retreat of Orthodox Jews into ghettos, the retreat of black

760
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: students at campuses into black ghettos, of Hispanics into Hispanic dorms,

761
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: these are the worst indicators for a society because it

762
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: means that they will empathize less with others, and others

763
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: will empathize less with them. This is what the Torah

764
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: is saying, and we had to be in Egypt in

765
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: order to learn this. Yes, we grow the.

766
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 7: Stranger in oneself, and we should know the stranger to

767
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 7: put to the stranger in the darkest shadow from malhole order.

768
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: To learn the rare humanity. Does it ever refer to

769
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: the stranger in oneself, the darker or shadow in yourself?

770
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: This is a you know, this is a nice late

771
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: twentieth century psychological reading. I don't think it means that

772
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: I agree with Senator who's the one from Nebraska around

773
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 3: for President Kerry. Senator Kerry spoke at the funeral of

774
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: a Vietnam veteran author who had just committed suicide. I

775
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 3: read it on the air. It's published in the New

776
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: Republic and he said, and I'm only paraphrasing, he said,

777
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 3: we have it all wrong. He said, first you learn

778
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: you love others, and that teaches you how to love yourself.

779
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 3: And he was to me, my mind totally on target.

780
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: And the psychological community is off base when they say

781
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: first you have to learn to love yourself before you

782
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 3: can love others. I don't agree, because you spend your

783
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 3: lifetime loving yourself and then not loving others, and the

784
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: world becomes a very hateful place. But the golden rule,

785
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: if you want to others do unto others as you

786
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 3: would have others do unto you, has nothing to do

787
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: with self love. It just means I don't want to

788
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 3: be hurt anyway. As I often say, I don't even

789
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: know what self love is. I like me, but I

790
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: don't know if I love me, you know, And I

791
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: think I'm into self like. Yeah, I wonder.

792
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 7: I think the tolerance for other religions and our cultures, etc.

793
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 7: Only can come when you recognize that you are not

794
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 7: so perfect yourself or your own ways, your own religions.

795
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 7: Only then can you empathize with others.

796
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's saying you can only empathize with others when

797
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: you realize or have tolerance for other religions and cultures

798
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: when you realize that yours is imperfect. I have distinctly

799
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: ignored the issue of culture. There are cultures I have

800
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: no tolerance of and have deep contempt for. I'm talking

801
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: about empathy for individuals who were different. I empathize with

802
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: the humanity of every other group, but I don't necessarily

803
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: have respect for their values and their culture. They are

804
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: two different things entirely. And this, by the way, is

805
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: the flaw of what I don't want to get on

806
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: this tangent, but I think the flaw of multiculturalism not

807
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: that we shouldn't celebrate many cultures. It's that at the

808
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: heart of it is no culture is better than any other.

809
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: I don't buy that for a moment. I think our

810
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 3: treatment of women is far superior to Saudi Arabia's treatment

811
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: of women. Okay, yet that's their cultural norm. I won't invade.

812
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: I don't deny it. All the humanity of the Saudi

813
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: human being that's totally separate. Saudi is as real as

814
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: I am. But that doesn't mean I have to respect

815
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: the culture that says a woman will be arrested if

816
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: she goes if she leaves the house alone, it's the

817
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: infantilization of women. Okay. So that's a lesson here that

818
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: the Sarna brings out, which I think is accurate to

819
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: point out we are at verse a five, correct, yeah,

820
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: forty seven to five. Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, as

821
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: regards your father, oh, I did it all. I did that. Yes,

822
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: excuse me, that's right what he told him. Okay. Verse

823
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 3: then brought his father Jacob and presented him to Pharaoh,

824
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: and Jacob greeted Pharaoh. Pharaoh asked Jacob, how many are

825
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: the years of your life? And Jacob answered Pharaoh, the

826
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 3: years of my sojourn. That's a very interesting one, now

827
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: that it didn't occur to me the first. Hold on

828
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 3: a second, I want to see the Hebrew. Yeah, that's

829
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: very interesting that he uses this term instead of, you know,

830
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: the number of years of my life, he says the

831
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 3: number of years of my sojourns. It's like he's a

832
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: permanent stranger, Jacob, talk about this stranger. That's very interesting.

833
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: What an interesting answer he gives. The years of my

834
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: sojourn on earth in parentheses are one hundred and thirty

835
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: few and hard. Most of us today would not regard

836
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: that as few hard. We would agree he has out

837
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: a hard life. Few years we would we have different

838
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: compared to his to his father and grandfather, he has few,

839
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 3: few and hard have been the years of my life.

840
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: Nor do they come up to the life spans of

841
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: my fathers during their sojourns. By the way, the Jew

842
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: has really been the eternal stranger. This too, is a

843
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: recurring theme Jews. Jews are the one unassimilable, yet yet comfortable.

844
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: Group in every culture.

845
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: They are. I mean, look at how well Joseph did

846
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: in Egypt, look at how well Jews did in German

847
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: Jews did in Arab countries, and yet remained the different.

848
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 3: I would argue to you that part of the Jewish

849
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: task is again unwittingly, and we don't desire it because

850
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 3: it's terribly painful, is to teach love the stranger by

851
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: being strangers in the world. Because look, let's be honest,

852
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: if a society, a non Jewish society, treats its Jews, well,

853
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: there's a good chance it will treat other minorities. Well. Now,

854
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 3: you might argue, oh, but look at the United States.

855
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: It did not treat Blackswell. When Jews certainly had more rights,

856
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: and that is true. But the fact of the matter

857
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: is it is also the society that went the furthest

858
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: in human history towards abolishing racism. Even E. D. Fall

859
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: the the Uh the defender, the attorney for Damian Williams

860
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: of the of the REGINALD.

861
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: Denny Notoriety said in the La Reader, and I.

862
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: Read too on the radio there is no country in

863
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 3: the world that offers people of all races the opportunities

864
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: America does. That was eedy four. I was shocked actually

865
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: to read it. I thought there was a misprint because

866
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: he refers frequently to the riots's rebellion, and if a

867
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: society has that many opportunities, you would tend not to

868
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: call it rebellion. But that's the reason I was surprised

869
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: at any rate. The fact is, people of all groups,

870
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: with all the human limitations that exist in this country,

871
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: the Jew is an excellent barometer of how others will

872
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: be treated. If anti Semitism becomes okay in America, you

873
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: can bet everything you own that anti other groups will

874
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: become okay. Likewise, with the acceptance of Jews as co

875
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 3: equals the movement toward the abolishing of racism would also continue,

876
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: so it would seem yes, I work for.

877
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 6: Somebody who was an Armenian Christian told me that for him,

878
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 6: the Jew was a barometer of when things get so

879
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 6: bad that he could see the Jews suffering and heals

880
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 6: the because then.

881
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: Yes, he is validating my statement from his own experience

882
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: of an Armenian Christian who said, if it gets bad

883
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: for the Jews, I'm leaving, because then we're next, or

884
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: at least another group is next, and then we're next. Exactly,

885
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: we are the eternal stranger. And that's how Jacob identifies

886
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: himself here. Then Jacob bad Pharaoh farewell and left Pharaoh's presence.

887
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: Eleven So Joseph settled his father and his brothers, giving

888
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: them holdings in the choicest part of the land of Egypt,

889
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: in the region of Ramses, which is coequal apparently to Goshen.

890
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: As Pharaoh had commanded, Joseph sustained his father and his

891
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: brothers in all his father's household with bread down to

892
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: the little ones. Thirteen. Now there was no bread in

893
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: all the land. How many of you have in all

894
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: the world, How many of you have in all the land? Okay,

895
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: this one says all the world. I think all the

896
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: land is correct. What's so funny, I'm sorry, in the

897
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: entire area. Yeah, see, the entire world makes the total

898
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: look like it did not have a clue is that

899
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: there was a world outside of the Middle East, you know,

900
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: and which may be true, but I want to show

901
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: the significance of having that interpretation that translation. Now, there

902
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: was no bread in all the land, for the famine

903
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: was very severe. Both the land of Egypt and the

904
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: land of Canan languished because of the famine. Joseph gathered

905
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: in all the money that was to be found in

906
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 3: the land of Egypt and in the land of Canan

907
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: as payment for the rations that were being procured, and

908
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh's palace. That last point

909
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 3: is to make it clear he kept none of it. Okay,

910
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: this is a very very important little addendum. The man

911
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: who collected all the money of Egypt and Canan gave

912
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: it all to Pharaoh. Okay, that's why it's in there.

913
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: And when the money gave out in the land of

914
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: Egypt and in the land of Canan, all the Egyptians

915
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: came to Joseph and said, give us bread. Lest we

916
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: die before your very eyes, for the money is gone.

917
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: And Joseph said, bring your live stock, and I will

918
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: sell to you against your live stock if the money

919
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: is gone. So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and

920
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: Joseph gave them bread in exchange for the horses, for

921
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: the stocks of sheep and cattle, and the asses. Thus

922
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: he provided them with bread that year in exchange for

923
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: all that livestock. And when that year was ended, they

924
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: came to him the next year and said to him,

925
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: we cannot hide from my Lord that with all the

926
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: money and animal stocks consigned to my lord, nothing is

927
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: left at my Lord's disposal save our persons and our farmland.

928
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 3: Let us not perish before your eyes. Both we and

929
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: our land. Take us and our land in exchange for bread,

930
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: and we with our land will be serfs to Pharaoh.

931
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 3: Provide the seed that we may live and not die,

932
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: and that the land may not become a waste. So

933
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: Joseph gained possession of all the farmland of Egypt for Pharaoh,

934
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: every Egyptian having sold his field because the famine was

935
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: too much for them. Thus the land passed over to Pharaoh,

936
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: and he removed the population town by town from one

937
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: end of Egypt's border to the other. Only the land

938
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: of the priests he did not take over, for the

939
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: priests had an allotment from Pharaoh, and they lift off

940
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: the allotment which Pharaoh had made to them. Therefore they

941
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: did not sell their land. Let me finish this part,

942
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: because it's a very morally difficult part, and you might,

943
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: when you read this not be confused as to why

944
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 3: anti Jewish feelings may have erupted among some Egyptians given

945
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 3: what Joseph has done here. It's a problematic section. Then

946
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: Joseph said to the people, whereas I have this day

947
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 3: acquired you in your land for Pharaoh. You and your

948
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: land for Pharaoh. Here a seed for you to sow

949
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: the land, and when harvest comes, you shall give one

950
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: fifth to Pharaoh, and four fifths shall be yours as

951
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 3: seed for the fields, and as food for you and

952
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: those in your households, and as nourishments for your children.

953
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: And they said, you have saved our lives. We are

954
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: grateful to my Lord, and we shall be serfs to Pharaoh.

955
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: And Joseph made it into a land law in Egypt,

956
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: which is still valid that a fifth should be pharaohs.

957
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: Only the land of the priests did not become pharaohs. Okay,

958
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: it's a troubling section because the staggering power given over

959
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: to Pharaoh and the enslavement, as it were, of the

960
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: Egyptian people is attributed to Joseph. Maybe one of you,

961
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: or more than one, have an answer as to why

962
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: this story would be told this way. I don't have

963
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: an answer, nor have I found one that satisfied me,

964
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: but I can tell you what is clear in a moment.

965
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: What is clear is that the Torah is trying to

966
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: explain how the phenomenon of an egypt enslaved by one

967
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: man came about, because this idea is so repugnant to Judaism,

968
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: to the Torah, where the idea of being a slave

969
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: to a human is repugnant. You're supposed to be a

970
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 3: servant of God, not of man. And therefore there was

971
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: a certain contempt for the way Egyptians looked at Pharaoh.

972
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: And here is a way of explaining its genesis, that

973
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: they willingly sold themselves into slavery in order to get

974
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 3: the seed. Of course, you might ask what choice did

975
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: they have, which strikes me as a fair question, and

976
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: so I don't have an answer to that, but I

977
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 3: want you to understand that this policy is a difficult one,

978
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: and all of them. Let me see if I could

979
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 3: quickly find here, well, let me read to you at

980
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 3: least one part here from Suna. The state controlled land

981
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: is cultivated by the former landowners, who pay a tax

982
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: of twenty percent of the harvest in return for the

983
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 3: privilege and for the seat allotment. Such an interest rate

984
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 3: was not considered excessive in the ancient Near East. During

985
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: the reign of Hammurabi, for instance, the state's share of

986
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: the harvest from administered fields varied between two thirds and

987
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: one half after the deduction of production expenses. Almost sounds

988
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 3: like our tax code. An interest rate of twenty percent, Yeah,

989
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: you know, when you think about it, it's not a

990
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 3: terribly onerous thing, given our tax rates are higher than

991
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: twenty percent on money loans was quite common in Babylon,

992
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: while the rate for loans of produce was usually thirty

993
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 3: three and a third percent. It's the jargon that is

994
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 3: the difficult part. Y'all will be happy to be pharaoh serfs.

995
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: And I think this was the torest way of saying, Look,

996
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: a nation doesn't get enslaved against its own will. That

997
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: is what I think is being said here. And it's

998
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: an interesting question. Is there something in the Russian personality

999
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 3: that leads to a Tzar and a Stalin? Is there

1000
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 3: something in German history or national characteristics that gives you

1001
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: a Kaiser and a Hitler. I don't know, I truly

1002
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: don't know. But it's but these are tough questions. Yes, well,

1003
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: it said that there was the neighborhood of beings, Yeah,

1004
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: which the slaves?

1005
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 6: Why slave?

1006
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 4: Here?

1007
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: In translation to and yes, the reason is is because

1008
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 3: the Jews weren't even serfs. The level of the Jews

1009
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 3: was lower than the level of an Egyptian. It is,

1010
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: but it's the same word for a servant. English has

1011
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 3: three words. Hebrew has won. It's a problem. There is

1012
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: no Hebrew word for servant as such, except for evid.

1013
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 3: It says that Moses is evid A do Nai doesn't

1014
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 3: mean Moses is the serf of God. I doubt it.

1015
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: Moses is the slave of God, I doubt it. Moses

1016
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: the servant of God probably, And the same word is

1017
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: used anybody else, Okay. Twenty seven. Thus Israel settled in

1018
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: the country of Egypt, and the region of Goshen. They

1019
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: acquired holdings in it and were fertile and increased greatly.

1020
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 3: Jacob lived seventeen years in the land of Egypt, so

1021
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 3: that the span of Jacob's life came to one hundred

1022
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 3: and forty seven years. Now, I gotta tell you this,

1023
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 3: I wish it's the only time I wish I had

1024
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 3: a blackboard. This is crack. This is the stuff that

1025
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: cracks me up because I have no brain for this.

1026
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 3: But when I see it, it's I find it fascinating.

1027
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: Abraham lived till one hundred and seventy five, Isaac to

1028
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty, Jacob to one hundred and forty seven.

1029
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 3: Any of you see anything in common in those numbers? Long?

1030
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 3: They're long, excellent? Anybody else? Okay, fine, don't look in Sarna. Please,

1031
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 3: if anybody gets this, you will join the lunch. One

1032
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five is Abraham's age, one hundred eighty

1033
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: is Isaac, one hundred and forty seven is Jacob. Let's

1034
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 3: see you think he okay? Here is the way it works.

1035
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 3: I mean it's it takes it. You know, it took

1036
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: people a while to figure it out. I suspect here

1037
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: is the way it is. And he's right. I mean,

1038
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: this is not what we call a bubba mice. This

1039
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: is not, you know, lunging for straws. This is true

1040
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: because numbers in all of Genesis meanings, all of them.

1041
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 3: The real expert on that is Gunther Plout. I mean,

1042
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: he has devoted a lot of scholarship to the numbers

1043
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 3: in Genesis. Abraham, the life spans of the three patriarchs

1044
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,919
Speaker 3: lend themselves to factorization, which immediately have my eyes glazing.

1045
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 3: According to the following pattern, you ready, Abraham is one

1046
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five, that is five times five times seven,

1047
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: Isaac one eighty six times six times five, Jacob one

1048
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: forty seven, seven times seven times three.

1049
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: They are working in patterns.

1050
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 3: Abraham is five times five times something, Isaac six times

1051
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: six times something, Jacob seven times seven times something. And

1052
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: even the times the something has a pattern. Abraham seven,

1053
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: Isaac six, excuse me five, Jacob three seven five to three.

1054
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 3: There is an absolute pattern and the reason for that,

1055
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 3: and I am convinced that the ancient Jews knew this.

1056
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 3: It was instinctive to them to think in this term,

1057
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 3: in these terms, was to show that there was a

1058
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 3: divine element in their in their lifespan, that it is

1059
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: all tied neatly together. God is behind. Remember that's a

1060
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 3: theme running through Genesis. God is behind what happens.

1061
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 6: It can hold the patterns for the next slory one, Yes,

1062
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 6: which is closer to the ages that we are presently living.

1063
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 3: Compass where are That's right? The next would be eight

1064
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: times eight times one, but that would be very few years. Yeah,

1065
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: sixty five. Yes, that is closer. That's true. So I

1066
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: hope you do not live a factored life. In Sarna writes,

1067
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Speaker 3: in this series, the squared number increases by one each time,

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Speaker 3: while the coefficient decreases by two. Furthermore, this you should

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Speaker 3: have picked up, folks, I'm really disappointed. In each case,

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Speaker 3: the sum of the factors is seventeen. Guys. I you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a teacher some nachas, and you know,

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Speaker 3: anyway it is. It is remarkable, and there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of this all through Genesis that I have spared you.

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Speaker 3: But I this, this runs, This obviously runs a pattern anyway.

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Speaker 3: Why because it shows that there is meaning to the number.

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Speaker 3: That's why God this is It's like a secret code

1077
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Speaker 3: to say nothing is random. And among the patriarchs. I

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Speaker 3: think they did, because I don't think this was written

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Speaker 3: for you know, twentieth century mathematicians. I think that there

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Speaker 3: was a sense of course. I mean, yes, I deeply

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Speaker 3: believe certain. Look, if you don't believe God wrote every

1082
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Speaker 3: word of the Tora, and I suspect very few of

1083
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Speaker 3: you here believe that. Clearly whoever wrote.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just throwing out numbers.

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Speaker 3: There had to be or even if it's just traditions,

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01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 3: there had to be a reason for the numbers unless

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01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 3: you say it's a coincidence, and I don't think it is.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Genesis is trying to say.

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Speaker 3: There isn't coincidence. It's not a coincidence that Joseph is

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Speaker 3: thrown sent it to slavery.

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Speaker 1: The divine hand is there. The divine hand is there

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Speaker 1: in their numbers.

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Speaker 3: Now, the point is, and I spoke about this, so

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Speaker 3: I won't amplify. Now, just does God have his hand

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Speaker 3: in all our lives like he did in Abraham, Isaac

1096
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 3: and Jacob's lives? And you can answer yes or no

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Speaker 3: and be equally sustainable by Jewish thought. The tendency in Judaism,

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Speaker 3: I think from my Monodes is told that God intervenes

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Speaker 3: in certain lives more than in others, which makes a

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 3: great deal of sense. Those who have a divine role

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: to play will have more interference with those who do not.

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Speaker 3: Choose to have a divine role, and you can choose

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Speaker 3: to have one. I mean, there is a belief the

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Speaker 3: closer you get to God, the more God will get

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: close to you. That's not an absurd idea, and so

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Speaker 3: who knows. On the other hand, there are those who

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Speaker 3: hold that everything is you know. There are those who

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Speaker 3: hold that God is involved in everything, and yet you

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 3: still have free choice, to which the question is how

1110
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: do you reconcile that? And that's when I take the

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01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: next question. Yes, one hundred twenty comes from Moses. She asked,

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Speaker 3: where does the number? You know? You should live till

1113
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty. You should live till one hundred

1114
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Speaker 3: and twenty is a statement of two things. May you

1115
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Speaker 3: live long and may you not outlive Moses. Okay, Moses,

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Speaker 3: If to that we should, well that's that's that was set.

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Speaker 3: But it's all tradition. You're not penalized if you live

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Speaker 3: longer than Moses. I think you are frankly now that

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Speaker 3: I mention it. You know, I think it's a pretty

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Speaker 3: big penalty as you you know I am not rooting

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Speaker 3: for that. Yes, you do.

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Speaker 5: One of a number of times that before as teaching,

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Speaker 5: uh is to its to learn from their experience. How

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 5: do you learn what to know what it feels like

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Speaker 5: to be a strained.

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Speaker 3: Or what you extrange in high school?

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Speaker 5: That being the case, suggesting that or there must be

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Speaker 5: some inherent feelings for the man or humans that they are.

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Speaker 5: You're relatively angative comparis to the experience that there any

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 5: way experience other feelings so that they ad born from

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Speaker 5: those people. Would you would take a step further?

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Speaker 6: I would that be the case?

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Speaker 5: How can you what many different cultures and many different

1134
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 5: ideas of culture? He under door, I give one munity

1135
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Speaker 5: said that a society might be slam one man, they.

1136
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Speaker 6: Other phrases, you're not you.

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Speaker 5: It was it was Peter suggested. There are many different

1138
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Speaker 5: sets of games that he.

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Speaker 3: And your government. Oh no, I think I I think

1140
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: that human nature is universal. I don't think that my

1141
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 3: nature is any different from that of a new Guinea

1142
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: bushman whom I happen to have visited. Uh uh, you know,

1143
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 3: like the mudmen and so on. I I I don't

1144
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: think my nature is any different. It is my values

1145
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 3: and my culture that are different. Now you have a

1146
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 3: good question, how do why do cultures develop the way

1147
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: they do? And so on? And I don't know if

1148
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 3: there is an you know there is, they'll ever really know.

1149
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 3: The answer. The Jewish answer is there was. That That

1150
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 3: is where divine revelation comes in. Revelation is a very

1151
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: is the essential faith element in Judaism that this Jewish,

1152
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 3: these Jewish ideas would not have developed were there not

1153
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 3: a divine revelation involved. It took divine revelation, for example,

1154
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 3: to abolish child sacrifice, that would be a Jewish position.

1155
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 3: People would still be sacrificing their children and would we

1156
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: would basically still have the culture that personified the ancient

1157
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 3: Near East if it weren't for divine interventions. Okay, so

1158
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: he said, does each culture need to have a divine

1159
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 3: revelation in order to be able to learn and grow? Well,

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Speaker 3: hold on a minute, Well, the person is part of

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Speaker 3: a culture that could have the revelation, so we won't

1162
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 3: get it personal yet the answer, the Jewish answer would

1163
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 3: be no, they don't all have to have divine revelation,

1164
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 3: so long as one group does its job and bring

1165
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 3: the divine revelation to the world. That was the Jews

1166
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 3: task is to bring the divine revelation of Sinai to

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 3: the world. But the number of the percentage of Jews

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01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: who feel that task is is microscopic, and so indeed,

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01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 3: the power of it, though, it was so powerful that

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Speaker 3: other groups did variations on the Jewish theme and took

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 3: the revelation. They're called Christians and Muslims. You know, Christianity

1172
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 3: and Islam are rooted in the divine revelation to the Jews.

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01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 3: That's if there was no divine revelation to the Jews,

1174
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 3: then there is no Christianity and there is no Islam.

1175
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: So you almost have the sense that the idea is

1176
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 3: so powerful and the Jewish speed was so slow that

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Speaker 3: others that others just took it and ran with it.

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Speaker 1: My monody is the greatest Jewish thinker ever lived.

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Speaker 3: Twelfth century North Africa, Spain and North Africa said at

1180
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 3: the end of his greatest work of Judaism, the YadA Kazaka,

1181
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: it was Christians who took the Torah to the world,

1182
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 3: and he was no Christian fan given the way Jews

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01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 3: were treated in much of Christendom. But it's true the

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01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 3: Torah is known to to the to the extent that

1185
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 3: the Torah is known to humanity, it is overwhelmingly the

1186
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 3: work of Christians. Yep, je job to be God place

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01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 3: in the world. Right, You're a missionary belief in that

1188
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: is the missionary belief, that is the Jewish mission. Why

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Speaker 3: would God choose the Jews if not? If God chose

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: the Jews without a mission, God's a chauvinist, you know. Well,

1191
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: we're supposed to, but not for Judaism, but for for

1192
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Speaker 3: divine revelation. Even the Lababacherebbe sent his RaBaD hasidim in

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01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 3: the last ten to fifteen years out to teach the

1194
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Speaker 3: seven Laws of Noah. There is a specific injunction in

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01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 3: Judaism to teach basic moral law rooted in God to

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Speaker 3: the world who should be adjective recruiting converse converts to

1197
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 3: ethical monotheism, not Judaism.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's what's not the purpose of Judaism is.

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Speaker 3: To have a people live a certain way and teach

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Speaker 3: certain teachings so that the world will come to God,

1201
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: the one God and the one Law. Judaism's purpose is

1202
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: not that Jews be Jewish. It's a circular argument. What

1203
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 3: is the purpose of Judaism for Jews to be Jewish? Well?

1204
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 3: Why why should Jews be Jewish because God said so?

1205
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 3: Why Why would God choose one of the tiniest groups

1206
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 3: in the world to give revelation to if it isn't

1207
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 3: to affect the world. I have never gotten a satisfactory

1208
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 3: rational answer, because there is none.

1209
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Speaker 1: It's so self evident. God revealed will his will to the.

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Speaker 3: Jews to the Hebrews specifically because that was the group

1211
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Speaker 3: he wanted to give to be the channel, the conduit

1212
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Speaker 3: of his message that I am God and I want

1213
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: you to love the stranger, I want you to love

1214
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 3: your neighbor as yourself, etc. All the lies. God would

1215
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 3: have to do it individually, Like you said, God would

1216
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: have to give the Torah to every single nation, and

1217
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 3: God tried it. By the way, universal moral revelation from

1218
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 3: God is believed in Judaism, it's called the conscience. Otherwise,

1219
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: how do you hold a Rwandan who never heard of

1220
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 3: the Torah responsible for macheteing an innocent child in Rwanda

1221
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 3: last month? On what grounds can you say that he

1222
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: did evil. The basic Jewish idea is there is divine

1223
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 3: revelation in every one. It's called conscience. But conscience isn't enough.

1224
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 3: You need humans to teach God's desires, and so God

1225
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 3: picked a bunch of losers. And it is made clear

1226
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 3: we are considered a bunch of losers who had no

1227
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Speaker 3: national developed identity, had no land, had nothing to take

1228
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 3: this idea into the world. I really urge you, I

1229
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 3: truly do, if this interests you to read. I wrote

1230
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 3: a simple essay why are their Jews? In my journal,

1231
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: which is on sale before and after or before each class.

1232
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 3: But I really I beg you to read that essay

1233
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: are their Jews? And these are not questions Jews reflect on.

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01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 3: There is more Jewish religious attention paid to whether you

1235
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 3: are permitted to use certain cosmetics on Passover than to

1236
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 3: why whether the Jews have a role on this planet.

1237
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 3: I would ask Christians the same thing, but Christians have

1238
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 3: a very clear answer. See you ask any Christian what

1239
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 3: is the purpose of Christianity? It's to spread the Gospel.

1240
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 3: It's to spread the good news of Jesus and salvation.

1241
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 3: Whether you agree with it or not as irrelevant. But

1242
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 3: every Christian has an inherent sense of mission. Every Muslim does,

1243
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: and almost no Jews do. It's tragedy.

1244
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Speaker 6: How do you think of these things you know can

1245
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 6: be dying for us to induce jewel And.

1246
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Speaker 2: Also you made the Lord's closure.

1247
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 3: And the black ash right, What is the distinction between

1248
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 3: this God stuff and all the ritual laws in Judaism

1249
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 3: like kosher and so on. Well, you got to read

1250
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 3: a couple of things I wrote for that one, but

1251
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 3: I will just tell you. The Jewish task is to

1252
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 3: advocate God and the universal God in the world and

1253
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 3: to live a particularly holy life as embodiment of what

1254
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 3: can be best in humanity. And that is what Jewish

1255
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 3: law is supposed to do. Jewish law is supposed to

1256
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 3: elevate you, and indeed, when done correctly, I think it does.

1257
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 3: It is not always done correctly, to say the least.

1258
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 3: What has happened to me, and this is understandable but tragic,

1259
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: is that Judaism has become ethnicized. It became even the

1260
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 3: religious laws became for many Jews ethnic folk ways. There

1261
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 3: is a lot of truth to fiddler on the roof tradition, tradition,

1262
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 3: Why do you do it? Tradition? Why does this Jewish

1263
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 3: one hour between meat and milk, this one three hours,

1264
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 3: this one six hours tradition. But that to me is

1265
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 3: a terrible answer because it means I get my practices

1266
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: and values from national ethnicity, not from religious conviction. Does

1267
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: that make sense to you? The idea of the culture

1268
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Speaker 3: helps you you as stranger. That's very correct. It is

1269
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: the single biggest I think tear in Judaism. For this,

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: I'll have to conclude. I wanted to do one other theme.

1271
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Speaker 3: I'll have to do it next week, the role of

1272
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 3: Land in Judaism, because they are all going to why

1273
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 3: is Israel so important in this thing? And I need

1274
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 3: to talk to you about that. That what you just raised,

1275
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,879
Speaker 3: that you were told, and you were told correctly, experience

1276
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: you and you experience she does that part of Kosher

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Speaker 3: is to keep you separate. I'll give you my answer

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Speaker 3: as I as I have it. At this time in

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Speaker 3: my life, when the world was steeped in pagan pagan

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Speaker 3: belief and immoral immoral law, not just immoral behavior, immoral law,

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Speaker 3: it was absolutely necessary for Jews to remain as physically

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Speaker 3: separate as possible to preserve something so different from the

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Speaker 3: outside world. It was critical to look different, eat different,

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Speaker 3: everything different, and the differentness in itself was important, not

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Speaker 3: just that the laws. I think the laws are important,

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Speaker 3: but the differentness was an essential part. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that that is true today. I think that it is

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Speaker 3: not good for Jews to emphasize physical differentness.

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Speaker 1: And this is where I break with the tradition.

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Speaker 3: See I always ask people to be honest and say

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Speaker 3: where they differ, and not to state this is what

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Speaker 3: it really is. I acknowledge that that mode of thinking

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Speaker 3: is not the traditional mode of thinking. And it doesn't even.

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Speaker 2: Smol with what you said.

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Speaker 6: You because you said that it's our role to be

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Speaker 6: the stranger, and being the stranger is part of our makeup.

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Speaker 3: And now you want to take away being well the

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Speaker 3: stranger by asserting our identity. We are a stranger by

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Speaker 3: not assimilating. Not assimilating and remaining physically separate in enclaves

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Speaker 3: is not the same thing. I ask the Jew to

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Speaker 3: do something tougher. It's easy to stay Jewish if you

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Speaker 3: live in Curios, Joel, you know that community in New

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Speaker 3: York State. It's easy to do it in William's Burg,

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Speaker 3: Brooklyn or Crown Heights. It's the trick is to maintain

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Speaker 3: your distinct values and not physically remove yourself from the world.

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Speaker 3: How on God's earth are we to influence people if

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Speaker 3: we don't live with them, if we can even have

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Speaker 3: lunch with them, That's my response. See, Jews at least

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Speaker 3: should be honest. I'm honest that I am having a

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Speaker 3: somewhat of a break with the tradition on this, but

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Speaker 3: I ask traditional Jews to be honest too. Either you're

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Speaker 3: going to have to drop the absolute physical separateness or

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Speaker 3: the belief that we have any message to humanity. You

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Speaker 3: cannot have a message to humanity and remain physically separate.

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Speaker 2: On Tomorrow's Sunday fireside chat.

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Speaker 3: Very rarely, I have a guest, so what I do.

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Speaker 3: It's a rather special person, as you will find out

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Speaker 3: in a moment, and a Brandon Tatum is extremely well known, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, in and of itself doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: As I've always said, the famous are rarely significant and

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Speaker 3: the significant are rarely famous. But he is famous and significant.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the point.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I like that? Using that? Yeah, okay, just quote me.

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Speaker 3: I will no, no, no, it's quite right. I give

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Speaker 3: you credive promise. So this is a former police officer

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Speaker 3: in Tucson, Arizona. Correct, that's where you were in the

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Speaker 3: Tucson Police Force. And you now produce your own video channel,

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Speaker 3: your your own video casts, podcasts. You're creating a channel

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Speaker 3: about Auto is very excited by the way, because he

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Speaker 3: is not used to guests. It's usually just Auto on myself.

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Speaker 3: But he took a liking to you very much. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I like him to you do. I'll tell him. I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you when he wakes up, I'll tell him.

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Speaker 2: Join us tomorrow to hear more on Timeless Wisdom with

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Speaker 2: Dennis Prager. Visit Dennispragger dot com on for thousands of

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