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Speaker 1: Relief Factors Studio, Welcome, thank you for joining. I got
Speaker 1: a lot of great guests coming up today. Eleana Johnson
Speaker 1: of the Washington Freebeacon, the Commentary Podcast, Philip Alboni of
Speaker 1: The Global Post, Josh Krasauer from The Juitionsider. I've got
Speaker 1: Ben and Ben Talabu and Admiral Mark Montgomery from the
Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defensive Democracies. And we're talking about one thing,
Speaker 1: almost only one thing, the upcoming negotiations in Islamabad, Pakistan,
Speaker 1: between Vice President jd Vance, Special ENVOYE. Steve Whitcock and
Speaker 1: Jared Kushner and whomever the Iranian regime sends, whatever is
Speaker 1: left of that regime. They're sending representatives to Islamabad. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Israel has rejected the idea of a ceasefire, in Lebanon.
Speaker 1: Iran has issued so many different statements. We don't quite
Speaker 1: know what to believe there. I do know that they
Speaker 1: are alleged Supreme Leader Hamini two point zero, the one
Speaker 1: who's in a coma income and he might be dead.
Speaker 1: He issued a written statement that was read over at
Speaker 1: Iran TV. And we don't know who's running what in Iran.
Speaker 1: Iran is not seeking more, but we will not forfeit
Speaker 1: it's right and will consider all resistance fronts as a
Speaker 1: unified entity. He also added they're the definite victor in
Speaker 1: the war. All right, So there's propaganda and there's posturing,
Speaker 1: and we've got lots of banging fits and shoes on
Speaker 1: lecterns at the UN cruse chef style. But I remind
Speaker 1: everyone at the beginning we have lots of presidents to
Speaker 1: study when high stakes international negotiations occur. And I got
Speaker 1: to break this down for the Steelers fan. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to tell you about the Congress of Berlin. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to tell you about the Congress of.
Speaker 2: Vienna.
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to the history of diplomacy, but
Speaker 1: I'll use some obvious examples. We can go back to
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, Neville Chamberlain goes to Munich and basically
Speaker 1: gives Hitler everything he wants and comes back with an
Speaker 1: umbrella and a piece of paper saying peace in our time,
Speaker 1: and the world goes to war. World War Two begins
Speaker 1: a year later. We've also got full and complete surrender
Speaker 1: by the bad guys. The good guys that would be Appomatics.
Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty five, when Lee offers the surrender of
Speaker 1: the Army of Northern Virginia to Grant, Commander in chief
Speaker 1: of all the Union armies. That's a total capitulation. And
Speaker 1: by the way, that can happen, and we might not
Speaker 1: know it might be a secret deal in between. We've
Speaker 1: got Rekovic nineteen eighty six. This is the one I
Speaker 1: know the best because I was in the Reagan administration.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but boy were we transfixed. President Reagan
Speaker 1: went off to negotiate with the charismatic new leader of
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, and we'd run through Leonid Breshna. Then
Speaker 1: we had the head of the KGB and he died.
Speaker 1: Then we had Tchernanco and he died. And finally the
Speaker 1: pall up hero says, let's go with someone who's under
Speaker 1: the age of eighty, and they picked Cher, they picked
Speaker 1: Gorbachev and Andre Gromico has been around as long as
Speaker 1: as the other guys. But he's still alive. He's still breathing.
Speaker 1: He says to his communist buddies.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 1: The man has a nice smile, but he has teeth
Speaker 1: of iron. Turned out he didn't. He had a glass jaw.
Speaker 1: He went to Iceland and wanted Reagan to do one thing,
Speaker 1: give up the Strategic Defense initiative. He was willing to
Speaker 1: put everything on the table, give up Sdi. Reagan would
Speaker 1: not give up Sdi and Reagan walked out, and the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union collapsed. Five years later. Three years after that,
Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall came down. Sometimes the walk out and
Speaker 1: no result is the best thing that can happen. What
Speaker 1: we can't have is a Munich, right, There are lots
Speaker 1: of things in between. By the way, there's the Yalta
Speaker 1: Conference nineteen forty five, Fdr Churchill sit down with Stalin.
Speaker 1: Basically Fdr gets his hat handed to him because he's
Speaker 1: being advised by algera history as a Communist spy, and
Speaker 1: it's really just the Soviet Union. United States left Britain
Speaker 1: has spent their empires almost over and Churchill's kind of
Speaker 1: cut out of Yalta. There's the Potsdam talks. Truman doesn't
Speaker 1: really know what's going on. He knew on the job.
Speaker 1: They don't really get that. There's the Tehran Conference during
Speaker 1: I think it's nineteen forty three during World War Two,
Speaker 1: when FDR and Churchill at his power get together with
Speaker 1: Stalin in Tehran and they agree on a second front
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty four. So there are all sorts of
Speaker 1: meetings all over. We can go back to the River Neemen,
Speaker 1: the Treaty of Tislit. Napoleon meets with Alexander, the one
Speaker 1: in the middle of the River Nemen on especially built
Speaker 1: wrap that would convey equality, and they enter into a
Speaker 1: peace deal in eighteen oh seven and lasts until eighteen twelve.
Speaker 1: Begins to fall apart a couple of years before that,
Speaker 1: but Napoleon marches into Russia in eighteen twelve and is doomed.
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of other things. So we have
Speaker 1: no idea what's going to come out. But I do
Speaker 1: want you to know one thing. Everyone who's out there
Speaker 1: saying that this is a debacle or that the United
Speaker 1: States lost. They are more interested in hating Donald Trump
Speaker 1: than loving the United States. They're more interested in their
Speaker 1: agenda of scoring points against Trump, which they don't do
Speaker 1: because they're just talking to each other, than in seeing
Speaker 1: the United States conclude this war, this battle with a
Speaker 1: significant win. Now we already have a significant win. Iran's
Speaker 1: military has been reduced by seventy five to ninety percent.
Speaker 1: They have lost their ability to project power except in
Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf and the straight of arm moves, and
Speaker 1: they have one weapon left.
Speaker 2: Which is the straight Or moves.
Speaker 1: And securing the straight of Or moves might require a
Speaker 1: long standing convoy operation that might take years. It might
Speaker 1: require no fly zones, might require the resumption of the
Speaker 1: war in full.
Speaker 2: Lebanon.
Speaker 1: Israel is going to enter into negotiations with the government
Speaker 1: of Lebanon, but they're continuing the war with Hesbela, the
Speaker 1: remnants of it. We don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but the good guys are winning and they can't give
Speaker 1: it away. The only thing that worries me is a
Speaker 1: Munich style agreement. And I want Vice President of Vance
Speaker 1: coming back declaring peace in our time.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't do that. He's too smart.
Speaker 1: Neither would Witcoffin Jared Kushner, both of whom are very
Speaker 1: experienced negotiators, and they know the Iranians. I think they're
Speaker 1: sending two experienced negotiators with the Iranians who were very, very,
Speaker 1: very responsible and relaying to the President that we're going
Speaker 1: nowhere with these people. So he started the war and
Speaker 1: they're setting a symbol of authority. President Trump's not going
Speaker 1: to go deal with these people. But they're sending the
Speaker 1: number two person in the United States, and though he
Speaker 1: has no constitutional authority, he is the only other elected
Speaker 1: person in the United States beside Trump who's elected by
Speaker 1: all the people, Shadie Vans.
Speaker 2: So it's big.
Speaker 1: Time, high stakes. But I've been reading take after take
Speaker 1: after take, and they're all wrong. The Iranians blinked, is
Speaker 1: keep that in mind when they agreed to this. They
Speaker 1: blinked when they agreed to a ceasefire, because they said
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the war there will be no ceasefire.
Speaker 1: There will be no ceasefire. There will be no ceasefire.
Speaker 1: Now there's a seafire. It's not holding up really really well.
Speaker 1: I think Saudi Arabia might be under some drone attacks
Speaker 1: as we speak, but.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. No one's really sure.
Speaker 1: But Donald Trump confirmed that he told Prime Minister Netnaho
Speaker 1: in a phone call yesterday to scale back Israel's bombing
Speaker 1: of Lebanon in order to preserve the fragile ceasefire in
Speaker 1: Iran to at least get to Islamabad.
Speaker 2: But they hasn't.
Speaker 1: President Trump did not ask Prime Minister in Netah who
Speaker 1: to stop the attacks that are necessary against Hasbolah, which
Speaker 1: is on its last legs. And they need Iran to
Speaker 1: come out of this with a win because they don't
Speaker 1: have any money and the people of Lebanon hate them.
Speaker 1: So all you need to know is that the United
Speaker 1: States has the upper hand. They have scored a dramatic
Speaker 1: strategic victory over Iran's military, which is ruined. Don't use
Speaker 1: the word decimated. People like to use the word decimated.
Speaker 1: Every time I hear someone use the word decimated, and
Speaker 1: someone will probably use it today. Decimated actually means to
Speaker 1: lose one tenth of your force. It was a punishment
Speaker 1: that the Roman legions would be subject to when they
Speaker 1: really screwed up, like Marcus Crass has took over the
Speaker 1: legion that failed to kill Spartacus and his slave rebellion
Speaker 1: thousands of years ago, and he ordered decimation. That's where
Speaker 1: every tenth man in line got clubbed to death by
Speaker 1: nine of his buddies. And you know what, It's a
Speaker 1: pretty brutal way of inflicting punishment on a failed legion.
Speaker 1: But decimation means to lose one tenth. It's not what
Speaker 1: happened to Iran. They've lost seventy five to ninety percent
Speaker 1: of their military. They cannot project power. Admiral Brad Cooper
Speaker 1: took to the airwaves today to give the latest scent
Speaker 1: Coom update. I want to play it for you right now.
Speaker 1: CUTT number six.
Speaker 3: I'm met Brad Cooper, Commander of US Central Command. Less
Speaker 3: than six weeks ago, more than fifty thousand of America's
Speaker 3: Sons and DAWs uniform launched Operation Epic Fury and embarked
Speaker 3: on the mission of Profound Consequence. We set out to
Speaker 3: dismantle the Iranian regime's ability to project power beyond its
Speaker 3: own borders, and we clearly accomplished this task. Iran has
Speaker 3: suffered a generational military defeat. The United States and Israel
Speaker 3: systematically destroyed Iran's ability to conduct large scale military operations
Speaker 3: for years to come. Iran's conventional military capability, built over
Speaker 3: forty years at the cost of billions of dollars, has
Speaker 3: been eliminated. As the President expressed earlier this week, our
Speaker 3: core strategic military objectives have been achieved. After destroying Iran's missile, drone,
Speaker 3: and naval capabilities and their defensive industrial base. After successfully
Speaker 3: conducting more than thirteen thousand strikes on Iranian military targets
Speaker 3: and flying thousands upon thousands of combat flights, US forces
Speaker 3: have paused offensive operations in accordance with the ongoing ceasefire. However,
Speaker 3: we remain present, we remain vigilant, and we remain ready
Speaker 3: if cold.
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know is that we are
Speaker 1: in a very fragile ceasefire. It's one Iran asked for,
Speaker 1: Iran blinked, and we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But we sent the heavy hitters, the people that the
Speaker 1: Iridians notes can speak with authority for President Trump, and
Speaker 1: if there's a deal to be had to remove the
Speaker 1: uranium and open the strait, they can have that deal
Speaker 1: and have a continuing ceasefire. But they're not going back
Speaker 1: to terrorizing the world. That's not happening. That's the minimum
Speaker 1: is the opening of the strait of Hormons. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back America. I'm Eleano Y. Johnson is
Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and a
Speaker 1: participant in almost every commentary podcast Monday through Friday.
Speaker 2: Eleana, good to see you. I'm going to remind the audience.
Speaker 1: You're graduate of Yale and Charles Hill was a great
Speaker 1: professor there. He took Grand strategy from him. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to my quiz is, we've had lots of high
Speaker 1: profile negotiations before the Islamab attacks. Do you expect them
Speaker 1: to be Munich, Rakovic, Appomatics, Yalta, Potsdam, the Congress of Berlin?
Speaker 1: What do you expect out of this weekend? O? G.
Speaker 4: Hugh?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm certainly hoping for appomatics. I'm not sure. I uh,
Speaker 5: I'm hoping for appomatics, and uh, you know, maybe I
Speaker 5: think Raykovic is more more likely.
Speaker 1: That's what I am predicting. I am afraid of Munich.
Speaker 1: Are you afraid of Munich?
Speaker 5: Oh? I'm petrified of Munich, and you know I'm However,
Speaker 5: I'm petrified of something worse, which is that after ceasing hostilities,
Speaker 5: there will be reluctance to resume war after two weeks
Speaker 5: if Iran does not agree to give up it's nuclear
Speaker 5: materials and its future capabilities, and that future presidents. You
Speaker 5: know that this president won't want to go back to war,
Speaker 5: and that no other president before this has been willing
Speaker 5: to confront this regime militarily, and that no future president
Speaker 5: will do so either. So I'm afraid of that, Okay.
Speaker 1: So am I I don't think however, if there's been
Speaker 1: a report of a breach in the ceasefire today drones
Speaker 1: fired at Kuwait, but we know that Iran's got thirty
Speaker 1: one provinces and a mosaic defense strategy, and any IRGC
Speaker 1: commander and any of those provinces can do whatever they want,
Speaker 1: so it's pretty hard to patrol. One breach with drones
Speaker 1: of Kuwait is not a reason to resume the war.
Speaker 2: I want to know.
Speaker 1: If it's acceptable to you, because it's acceptable to me
Speaker 1: if they get a pledge from Iran not to fire
Speaker 1: on the Strait of Hormones, a standdown, and negotiations on
Speaker 1: the removal of the in retched uranium in exchange for
Speaker 1: easing of sanctions, which will take a long time.
Speaker 2: Would that be acceptable to you.
Speaker 5: Under no conditions? Do I really think we should be
Speaker 5: easing sanctions on this regime and allowing cash to flow
Speaker 5: into this And I would point out one thing in
Speaker 5: my view, Iran is already cheating on this ceasefire. It
Speaker 5: was a cease fire in exchange for the opening of
Speaker 5: the Strait of Horror Moves, and I don't believe that
Speaker 5: straight is open. It is an international waterway, and Iran
Speaker 5: is asserting control over it, demanding permission for vessels to
Speaker 5: cross and charging tolls. Maybe that won't continue, but as
Speaker 5: of right now, they're violating that ceasefire.
Speaker 2: Secretary, I'm going to caution.
Speaker 1: My caution is I've seen reports that they're charging tolls
Speaker 1: and that they threaten and that people have turned back.
Speaker 1: I saw a report that the ship that turned back
Speaker 1: was in fact the Iranian shadow fleet that was afraid
Speaker 1: of getting snatched by US. I have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on there. Is it possible, It's just we don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on.
Speaker 5: It's possible. I think we're in a fog of peace period.
Speaker 5: It's possible, but I hope that our representatives refuse to
Speaker 5: sit down at the table if this is in fact
Speaker 5: a violation. The other thing that's concerning me is that
Speaker 5: the White House Press Secretary said yesterday Lebanon was not
Speaker 5: part of this ceasefire, and then it does appear the
Speaker 5: President is leaning on Israel to go easy on Hesbalah
Speaker 5: in Lebanon as a result of this. So it seems
Speaker 5: to me that we are giving quite a lot, and
Speaker 5: I don't really see the Iranians giving. I actually see
Speaker 5: them pressing their luck here.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I saw them blink when they agreed to the ceasefire
Speaker 1: negotiations because they said not now, not ever, and never,
Speaker 1: we won't ever have a ceasefire, and then they did.
Speaker 1: And now they're doing the classic Gharanian Islamist option, which is.
Speaker 2: To lie about what they agreed to.
Speaker 1: However, I'm willing to suspend judgment until we see what
Speaker 1: comes out of Islamabad. But I do believe I want
Speaker 1: to hear what people think is a loss, and I
Speaker 1: think a loss is if they have any control over
Speaker 1: the strait of hormones. That's actually a strategic loss.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that.
Speaker 5: I think a loss is if we don't achieve the
Speaker 5: political objectives we set out to achieve. I think we've
Speaker 5: achieved many of our military objectives. The ballistic missile and
Speaker 5: nuclear programs have been set back quite a bit in
Speaker 5: a brilliant military campaign, but they cannot have any control
Speaker 5: over the strait of horror moons. One hundred percent agree
Speaker 5: with you, and the reason we went into this war
Speaker 5: was to strip them of their nuclear capabilities and to
Speaker 5: extract from them a concession that they would not pursue
Speaker 5: those capabilities, and so I think that's also quite important
Speaker 5: to the control gre We're worse off than when we started,
Speaker 5: but I do think that the nuclear ambitions are quite
Speaker 5: important to.
Speaker 1: I agree about the fact that we've got to have
Speaker 1: an understanding that they are not moving forward with nuclear weaponry.
Speaker 1: But if it was here's two hundred of our six
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, take away a third of the sanction, then
Speaker 1: you can come get the four hundred pound and we
Speaker 1: get two thirds of the sanctions off, and then you
Speaker 1: get the six hundred pound and we get all the
Speaker 1: sanctions off.
Speaker 2: Does that work for you, Hugh.
Speaker 5: I'd like to know what kind of verification goes along
Speaker 5: with that. I'm really skeptical of funding a regime that
Speaker 5: is fundamentally run by the IRGC. Despite what the President
Speaker 5: and the Defense Secretary is saying, there really hasn't been
Speaker 5: regime change. It is still really run by the same
Speaker 5: people that maybe you know a lower IQ three point
Speaker 5: zero version, but we haven't quite had regime change. And
Speaker 5: with that money they will rebuild their ballistic missiles to
Speaker 5: protect what they have. So I'd like to know what
Speaker 5: the verification is, and you know, I suppose I'm open
Speaker 5: to that with the right sort of verification.
Speaker 1: And so I can agree with all that as well.
Speaker 1: But do you think it is correct to be condemning
Speaker 1: the ceasefire as a taco? Jimmy Kimmel last night did that,
Speaker 1: and I see it everywhere on X. There's no way
Speaker 1: to judge it other than okay, they're going to the table.
Speaker 1: Iron said they were never going to go to the table.
Speaker 1: I think they said uncle, but now they don't want
Speaker 1: to be understood to be saying uncle. Last word to you,
Speaker 1: Aliana one minute.
Speaker 5: No you I think you know what you hear People
Speaker 5: who are steeped in diplomacy always say is that diplomacy
Speaker 5: only works with the threat of force looming In the background,
Speaker 5: and I really think that's the key here. I'm quite
Speaker 5: skeptical of the ceasefire because I'm skeptical that Iran will
Speaker 5: negotiate away things that we couldn't win on the battlefield.
Speaker 5: But I'm not condemning it. I'm willing to wait and see.
Speaker 5: And so the key thing is being willing to go
Speaker 5: back to war if Iran gives us the run around
Speaker 5: in these negotiations.
Speaker 1: Agreed, polar Rekovic walk out and presume firing at will.
Speaker 1: Eleian Ali Johnson, thank you. Follow on exit Elean O.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Josh Cuash Hours,
Speaker 1: editor in chief of Jewish Insider. Josh, you studied international
Speaker 1: affairs for a long time. In the history of diplomacy,
Speaker 1: I got a long list here. We've got the Piece
Speaker 1: of Tislit in eighteen oh seven. We have the Congress
Speaker 1: of Vienna in eighteen fourteen. We've got Appomatics in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty five. That's pretty straightforward. Got the Congress of Berlin
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy eight. We've got the Munich Agreement in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, We've got y Alta in nineteen forty five,
Speaker 1: Potsdam in nineteen forty five, We've got Rekovic in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six. What do you expect out of Islamabad twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six.
Speaker 6: Che, I don't expect much.
Speaker 7: And I feel like we've played this, uh, this game
Speaker 7: before where we've engaged in serious negotiations with the Iranian
Speaker 7: regime through an intermediary. This time it's the Pakistanis. This
Speaker 7: time we're sending Vice President Jade Vance to lead the negotiations,
Speaker 7: which may suggest that the White House is thinking about
Speaker 7: more concessions than then in the past. But you know, look,
Speaker 7: it's hard to read whether this is actually I'm very
Speaker 7: skeptical this is going to lead to any real deal
Speaker 7: or anything concrete. I think it's you know, maybe on
Speaker 7: both ends to buy some time.
Speaker 6: UH.
Speaker 7: And what's been a pretty pretty devastating war for the Iranians,
Speaker 7: and in a tough, tough political moment for the president,
Speaker 7: dealing with a rough you know, at least on the
Speaker 7: on the gas prices side of the economy, dealing with
Speaker 7: a little bit of political pressure back home. So you know,
Speaker 7: I feel like this is almost a way to buy
Speaker 7: some time more than seeing this as a real likelihood
Speaker 7: that it'll lead to an agreement after two weeks.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to do a recovic two point zero.
Speaker 1: I think our guys are going to walk out. I
Speaker 1: certainly hope they walk out unless they get the minimum
Speaker 1: for a win. Now, I was on Special Report on
Speaker 1: Tuesday night when this happened, and so I had to
Speaker 1: do the instant reaction. I said, well, President Trump's tweet
Speaker 1: says the straits of horror moves will will open and
Speaker 1: will remain open. And I said, that's a win if
Speaker 1: that happens. If they open and we negotiate, that's a win.
Speaker 1: We have to negotiate over the highly enriched uranium, about sanctions.
Speaker 1: There's lots to talk to them about, but the strait
Speaker 1: has to be open or it's not a win. Do
Speaker 1: you agree with that assessment?
Speaker 2: Well, then we talked on the show.
Speaker 7: The three things that I've been paying close attention to
Speaker 7: is the metrics of success is you know, did did
Speaker 7: the US Israeli operation uh degrade? If I destroy the
Speaker 7: ballistic missile supply and missile launching missile launcher, supply the
Speaker 7: nuclear material as I've been dealt with, and and and
Speaker 7: and in the straight up hor moves, and then is
Speaker 7: it going to be opened up?
Speaker 8: At first, it's outed like, at least from Trump's.
Speaker 7: Assessment, that that that was happening. But we now seeing
Speaker 7: that the Iranians have closed it again and allegedly because
Speaker 7: of the Israeli military operation against Kasbola and Lebanon, and
Speaker 7: that's there's been some movement on that front as well today.
Speaker 7: But look, I still think there are a lot of
Speaker 7: incomplete grades and I think there's a lot of TBD
Speaker 7: grades on the other two parts of the equation. So
Speaker 7: you know, I think we, you know, the Israelis are
Speaker 7: a little bit you know, I think there there's a
Speaker 7: lot of questions and more questions, frankly you than answers
Speaker 7: about the degree to which the operation degraded Iran's military
Speaker 7: operational abilities and what it's going to happen economically, and
Speaker 7: will ran back down in terms of unblocking the straight
Speaker 7: of hor moves.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just assume that we go back to the
Speaker 1: war on Monday, and because that's what happens after the record,
Speaker 1: it may keep threatening ships.
Speaker 2: We have to secure the strait of warm moves.
Speaker 1: We have to Is the world better off then than
Speaker 1: it was fifteen months ago?
Speaker 7: Look in the certainly Iran's military operations have been at
Speaker 7: the very least degraded to what degree, to what extent?
Speaker 7: I think that that's what we don't know fully. I
Speaker 7: you know, a lot of the early readouts about the
Speaker 7: percentage of ballistic missiles destroyed and the missile launchers destroyed
Speaker 7: seem seemed to be very good news. But then we
Speaker 7: kept on seeing Iran causing havoc to the skies of
Speaker 7: Tel Aviv and across the region with the Gulf States
Speaker 7: throughout that six week period. So I'd like to see
Speaker 7: a better or more detailed accounting of what Iran still
Speaker 7: has and its supplies. But I do think that if
Speaker 7: Iran's ability to you know, create havoc in the region,
Speaker 7: to you know, it's missile supplies that has meaningfully been degraded,
Speaker 7: I think that's definitely a win on the side of
Speaker 7: the US and Israel. I also think, obviously, the fact
Speaker 7: that so many of Iran's top political and military leaders
Speaker 7: were taken out both in the first twenty four hours
Speaker 7: of the operation, but throughout the six week period of
Speaker 7: the war. I mean that clearly there's a lot of
Speaker 7: brain brain drain in Iran, and there's a lot of
Speaker 7: political vacuums taking place.
Speaker 1: And let's talk about Hezbela as well. Israel just hammered
Speaker 1: Hesbela yesterday. They took all the planes that they weren't
Speaker 1: going to fly in Israel and they combined them with
Speaker 1: the planes that they were using over Lemana, and they
Speaker 1: just pounded the daylights out of the remnants of Hesbelah
Speaker 1: so much so that Iran said, well, we can't have
Speaker 1: these talks. But they're having the talks. They're just doing
Speaker 1: the Iranian thing. I think Hesbelah is ruined and Hamas
Speaker 1: has ruined, and Iran down to ten percent of what
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 2: So even if we go back to war and we
Speaker 2: pay more for.
Speaker 1: Gas, I'll take that any day over what they were
Speaker 1: and what they could threaten on ten six twenty three.
Speaker 2: Any day I'll take that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And of course visually Hesbola the I think after talking
Speaker 7: to the President today, the Israeli Prime Minister agreed to
Speaker 7: at least start negotiations with the Lebanese government and pause
Speaker 7: the attack, So there's a little bit of TVD on
Speaker 7: the on the northern front. Though I agree with you
Speaker 7: one hundred percent that HESBLA has been significantly degraded from
Speaker 7: where things were in our Coober seven three years ago.
Speaker 2: The politics.
Speaker 7: Look, the thing I think that that has that Trump
Speaker 7: has struggled with is the politics of it all.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: You know, if he gave a speech to the public
Speaker 7: like he did much later on in the war, and
Speaker 7: and really talked about the mission, talked about the objectives,
Speaker 7: did things in a very crystal clear fashion, and and
Speaker 7: brought things to Congress, and I think you know that
Speaker 7: it's undeniable. Iran has been a scourge to the United
Speaker 7: States for for.
Speaker 2: Such a long time.
Speaker 7: He's been saying that, but there just wasn't the ability
Speaker 7: to bring things to the public. So I think when
Speaker 7: when you see the gas prices going up and you
Speaker 7: see the economic squeeze for the time being, you know,
Speaker 7: it's created a lot A lot of people don't understand
Speaker 7: the mission that the US has undertaken and what the
Speaker 7: achievements that they've made. I think the pending on briefings
Speaker 7: have been helpful. I think that's been been a big
Speaker 7: plus in terms of the communication side. But the President,
Speaker 7: I think kind of cut a lot of Americans by surprise,
Speaker 7: and it's been hard to kind of maintain that public
Speaker 7: support when the economy, especially the gas prices, were taking
Speaker 7: the hit during this period.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll play Brad Cooper again. In the course of
Speaker 1: the show, I thought of his statement today was pretty good.
Speaker 1: But I would encourage everyone to go out and ask
Speaker 1: Rock or ask chat Jeep, TP or your favorite AI
Speaker 1: what was the reaction after Reagan walked out of Rekovic?
Speaker 1: Because Rekkovic was actually a big win for freedom in
Speaker 1: the West, but it didn't look like it at the time.
Speaker 1: You're too young, Josh. I don't even know if you're born.
Speaker 1: Are you born in nineteen eighty six?
Speaker 7: And the circus history I was born I mentioned eighty one.
Speaker 7: So I do as someone who lived during the fall
Speaker 7: of the Berlin Wall, that is that you're right to you.
Speaker 7: But this is an important moment, at the tipping point
Speaker 7: moment and where things, how the talks go and what
Speaker 7: happens on there are going to be very tough to
Speaker 7: up hit.
Speaker 2: Josh Crashaw. We'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1: Follow Josh at Josh crash Hour and also Jewish Insider
Speaker 1: at Jewish Underscore Insider.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back, America. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Hour begins with Ben and Ben Talablu of the Foundation
Speaker 1: for the Defensive Democracy.
Speaker 2: He's a senior program director for Iran. He's also the.
Speaker 1: Senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defensive Democracy. Ben,
Speaker 1: and welcome back. What do you make of where we
Speaker 1: are on this Thursday at five pm each coast time.
Speaker 9: Well, always good to be back with you, Hugh. The
Speaker 9: world is indeed full of surprises. We do live in
Speaker 9: interesting times. The Islamic Republic is getting ready to negotiate,
Speaker 9: reportedly at the highest level indirectly since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 9: As you know, they've asked for Vice President JD.
Speaker 8: Vance to be there. The Vice President himself is keen.
Speaker 9: To go, and unfortunately a little bit of a slide,
Speaker 9: I don't want to say in the US position, but
Speaker 9: a potentially a worrying sign of the Islamic Republic's ability
Speaker 9: to still use pressure and set the table for negotiations
Speaker 9: as it deems fit. As you know, there's been a
Speaker 9: ceasefire for about two days right now. But the joke
Speaker 9: best conveyed not by me, but by people in Iran
Speaker 9: who've been posting this on social media with the very
Speaker 9: limited internet access they have, is that man, we can't
Speaker 9: sleep yet due to all the sounds of the ceasefire,
Speaker 9: meaning that the war is still continuing despite the ceasefire
Speaker 9: allegedly still underway.
Speaker 8: And why that matters here.
Speaker 9: Is because Israel really should not have to turn off
Speaker 9: its military mission against Lebanese Hezbolah, but that is seemingly
Speaker 9: a sticking point for the Islamic Republic in these talks.
Speaker 9: There was a report from earlier today that these rallies
Speaker 9: believe they got the Secretary General nine Costle of Hesbela.
Speaker 8: That still hasn't been confirmed as of now.
Speaker 9: We're waiting for more local sources, potentially Hesbala sources to
Speaker 9: come out with that information. But there was a family
Speaker 9: member that was killed as well as another seniors senior
Speaker 9: ranking Hesbel official. And this matter is because the latest
Speaker 9: news out of Washington is now Washington will mediate between
Speaker 9: these rallies and the Lebanese in DC next week, and
Speaker 9: that might be a move by the US to try
Speaker 9: to placate this Iranian concern of what is going on
Speaker 9: in Lebanon while you are negotiating a ceasefire and a
Speaker 9: potential deconfliction deal with US in Pakistan. So keep your
Speaker 9: eye on how the table is being set for negotiations
Speaker 9: up until Saturday, and then after Saturday, let's.
Speaker 8: Wait and see what first contact looks like post war.
Speaker 1: Now a Benham, I have been explaining all program long
Speaker 1: that we've had lots of high profile meetings in the
Speaker 1: course of the history of diplomacy, from the piece of
Speaker 1: Tislet to Rekovic. We've had Munich as the worst case,
Speaker 1: Yalta has a bad case. Rekovic is something that looked
Speaker 1: bad that turned out well, and then we like appomatics.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the most likely result? Using
Speaker 1: a historical analogy that might be familiar to everyone except
Speaker 1: the Steelers fans.
Speaker 8: Funny thing, I was actually in Pittsburgh just recently, so
Speaker 8: you're hitting close to where I just was.
Speaker 9: Using a past diplomatic metaphor, I think anyone that has collapsed,
Speaker 9: any one that has been oversold but under delivered, and
Speaker 9: here I think there's been a ton in the Iran case,
Speaker 9: the Geneva negotiations, the Vienna negotiations, the indirect diplomacy via
Speaker 9: the Omani's pay take your pick of the attempts post
Speaker 9: Trump term one by divided administration by America's Middle Eastern
Speaker 9: partners European partners to try to moderate or mediate even
Speaker 9: by the P five plus one, to try to bring
Speaker 9: America and Iran together, where politically something was over sold
Speaker 9: but in the end was under delivered and under delivered
Speaker 9: because of the chasm that exists in principle between America
Speaker 9: and between Iran. So for my view, the reason I'm
Speaker 9: taking this, you could say, rather pessimistic view of what
Speaker 9: may come on Saturday. And who knows, perhaps the Iranians
Speaker 9: may surrender. I think that's low probability. Who knows, perhaps
Speaker 9: the US may strike Iran again. I mean, if passes prologue,
Speaker 9: President Trump does like striking the Islamic Republic. Wild negotiations
Speaker 9: are underway both in June as well as in late February,
Speaker 9: so you can never say never. But if all things equal,
Speaker 9: all things hold, it'll be over promised and under delivery.
Speaker 8: Which might leave the US in a bit more of
Speaker 8: a frustrated position.
Speaker 9: So from there you can take your pick of any
Speaker 9: historical example of negotiations.
Speaker 8: That collapse and lead to war, lead to resumed war.
Speaker 1: I like to point to Rekovic Benham for the simple
Speaker 1: reason I was in the Reagan administration. I remember it well.
Speaker 1: I want to read to you the first two paragraphs
Speaker 1: out of the New York Times after those meetings collapse.
Speaker 1: Moments after President Reagan and Gorbachev concluded their meeting in
Speaker 1: Rekovic Sunday night, its outcome seemed clear.
Speaker 2: Mister Reagan was grim faced, even angry.
Speaker 1: And Secretary of State George Schultz showed up at a news
Speaker 1: conference looking haggard and drain quote. I have never even
Speaker 1: seen Schultz exude through his word, the base of his comments,
Speaker 1: his facial expression such disappointment and defeat. City key administration official. Okay,
Speaker 1: it collapsed. Three years later that Berlin Wall came down,
Speaker 1: and two years after that the union dissolve.
Speaker 2: The least worst case is JD.
Speaker 1: Vance and mister Whitcoff and Jared Kushner leave and they
Speaker 1: get nothing like happened in round one, but.
Speaker 2: We go back to war.
Speaker 1: The worst case is the strait remains closed and we
Speaker 1: don't go back to war.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with me about that?
Speaker 9: Potentially, I would say the worst case is America actually
Speaker 9: pays at the political negotiating table or at the bargaining
Speaker 9: table for that which is it has already taken away
Speaker 9: for free from this regime. You know, the goal here
Speaker 9: is to not pivot to a domain where the regime
Speaker 9: is more comfortable or more capable than us.
Speaker 8: I fear. I mean this with immense respects.
Speaker 9: We may have intellectually and economically made that switch for
Speaker 9: them already. The US was winning this when it came
Speaker 9: to politics and security, but Iran's ability to make it
Speaker 9: about energy and economics got had a sweet spot for
Speaker 9: them and got in an Achilles heel for us. And
Speaker 9: the more we concerned about markets rather than military forces,
Speaker 9: the more ultimately the Islamic Republic realize it has leveraged
Speaker 9: now pivoting from a conflict which it was always a
Speaker 9: matter of time that the regime will lose to a
Speaker 9: domain negotiations diplomacy where the regime does have muscles that
Speaker 9: could rival ours.
Speaker 8: That to me is a little bit worrisome.
Speaker 9: So I think the worst case is actually that we
Speaker 9: have to stabilize through sanctions relief a regime like.
Speaker 8: The Islamic Republic where we are so.
Speaker 9: Interested in the optics of a political victory following our
Speaker 9: military engagement that we actually end up expending more than
Speaker 9: that which we get.
Speaker 2: So and that's the only result is get worse.
Speaker 1: The only result that will cause President Trump politically is
Speaker 1: that one. If he does that, he'll split the Republican Party,
Speaker 1: and the Reaganas will be very angry if he does that,
Speaker 1: and they will be very disappointed. So I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to do that. I think this president's been
Speaker 1: on the Iran file for since nineteen seventy nine. He
Speaker 1: loves these people and he understands how they negotiate, and
Speaker 1: wit Coffin Kushner.
Speaker 2: Pulled the plug.
Speaker 1: Why is there so little confidence that the United States
Speaker 1: can actually call their bluff because they got nothing they
Speaker 1: really I mean, we can take the straight We did
Speaker 1: that before.
Speaker 2: They got more missiles now, but we've done that before.
Speaker 8: The challenge with the Strait is by us over focusing
Speaker 8: on it.
Speaker 9: We may have signaled to the regime that we were
Speaker 9: more sensitive to market forces than meets the eye. The
Speaker 9: regime actually expended more forces you just mentioned during the
Speaker 9: tanker war against US and against Arab partners related to
Speaker 9: Persian Gulf shipping.
Speaker 8: Than it has now. But somehow now its threat is
Speaker 8: more magnified.
Speaker 9: That has a lot more to do with markets, with firms,
Speaker 9: with shippers, with insurers that it has to do with
Speaker 9: America or Israel or the UAE or even the capability
Speaker 9: or credibility of Iran's military forces in twenty twenty six
Speaker 9: than it.
Speaker 8: Did back in the mid to late nineteen eighties. So again,
Speaker 8: those are the things that worry me. Those are the.
Speaker 9: Things that keep me up at night. But you are
Speaker 9: right that the president, you know, in the big picture,
Speaker 9: is seeing the issue the right way. My only fear
Speaker 9: is if we again worry more about these market forces
Speaker 9: so publicly, that is a signal to the regime to
Speaker 9: hunker down and resist. And again, these guys can do
Speaker 9: more with less because they're not keen to provide for
Speaker 9: their people anyway. That which we constitute in terms of rebuilding, they.
Speaker 8: Don't think is the priority. When it's rebuilding.
Speaker 9: We think after a war, rebuilding is rebuilding society, rebuilding
Speaker 9: the economy. Those are things that the regime is ready
Speaker 9: to let slide because they will take every dollar, every penny,
Speaker 9: every real no matter how worthless that currency is, and
Speaker 9: not invested into the economy, not invested into infrastructure, but
Speaker 9: back into the arms race so that they can stay afloat.
Speaker 2: I agree with all that.
Speaker 1: I just don't think we're going to do it because
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump is Yeah. Now, Eli Lake is
Speaker 1: just posted over at the Free Press an article on
Speaker 1: the five person governing Council. It includes three i r
Speaker 1: GC hardcore veterans, the Foreign Minister, Archie and the President Possession.
Speaker 1: Who do you think I think that's really just three
Speaker 1: hardcore IRGC guys are running this.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?
Speaker 8: I agree with you.
Speaker 9: And funny story. You know here in English we say
Speaker 9: great minds think alike. In Persian we say a heart
Speaker 9: has a pathway to a hearts. We had FDD, a
Speaker 9: colleague of mine, actually pend a profile on the five
Speaker 9: most important people.
Speaker 8: It's and it's basically a similar constellation. We think. We
Speaker 8: put it out about a week or a week and
Speaker 8: a half ago.
Speaker 9: Eli just actually texted me his piece funny story, and
Speaker 9: so I will respond with ours. But it is all
Speaker 9: about Ahmad Vahidi who is heading the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps,
Speaker 9: and General Zohlgad who is heading the Supreme National Security Council.
Speaker 9: Pay attention to those people. Obviously, the presidency is not
Speaker 9: what it is in Iran as it is here in
Speaker 9: the States. I would pay attention to the head of
Speaker 9: the judiciary as well, who was previously on the Leadership Council.
Speaker 9: That's Age who's been ahead of the judiciary and really
Speaker 9: head of Geiran's injustice system.
Speaker 8: For far too long.
Speaker 9: But I would recommend folks take a look at that
Speaker 9: pre press piece fight Eli because this is a system
Speaker 9: based on people, not based on.
Speaker 1: Institutions, and they may not have those jobs for long
Speaker 1: if they don't open the straight That's my view. Ben
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Speaker 1: I'll be right back on the U huit chew. Welcome
Speaker 1: back in America. I'm go Hewett Rear. Admiral Mark Montgomery,
Speaker 1: retired United States Navy is a senior Fellow with the
Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defensive Democracies. Admiral, welcome back. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining me. I want to skip right to what
Speaker 1: I think is going to happen. Rekovic two point zero
Speaker 1: a walkout by the America delegation of the Iraniandelic collapse
Speaker 1: and then just tell me what happened. If Donald Trump
Speaker 1: orders Admiral Cooper to reopen the Strait of Hormotes?
Speaker 2: How did he do it?
Speaker 4: So first, I think we got to go back to
Speaker 4: whatever targeting is left on the deliberate and dynamic targeting sets.
Speaker 6: And you know that's what they've been doing.
Speaker 4: They did not their planning teams didn't you know, taking
Speaker 4: a Loha Friday after the ceasefire was discussed and take liberty.
Speaker 4: They sat back and got a good chance to re
Speaker 4: examine their target sets. Where where do we think mines, drones,
Speaker 4: missiles and small attack craft that could threaten assets in
Speaker 4: the States or who moves are And so they've been
Speaker 4: getting that targeting set together.
Speaker 6: They'll come back to them with a hey, we need
Speaker 6: to apply.
Speaker 4: Power for three, five, seven, nine days whatever it is
Speaker 4: of bombing, including having aircraft that are just up for
Speaker 4: dynamic targeting that as we hit something, somebody else moves
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. And then you know, be ready to
Speaker 4: apply that power once you get that rate reduced down
Speaker 4: to an acceptable risk for the US assets and the
Speaker 4: merchants going through the straits then have to set up
Speaker 4: an extremely you know, equipment and.
Speaker 6: Manpower intensive convoys set up.
Speaker 4: We've talked about it once or twice, but I think
Speaker 4: you know, to me, it's you've got to have that
Speaker 4: unblinking eye, really focus your persistent overhead stare on that
Speaker 4: area of vulnerability, you know, fifty to seventy miles on
Speaker 4: either side of the straits. Because their runnings won't just
Speaker 4: attack at the top of the straits, attack.
Speaker 6: All the way through that. You've got to.
Speaker 4: Put combat air patrol, you know, eight aircraft and four
Speaker 4: cap stations, probably just sitting there with the rockets the
Speaker 4: advanced precision killed weapons system to shoot down the drones,
Speaker 4: but also strike weapons on their pylon so that they can.
Speaker 6: If someone pops your head up, get lad right.
Speaker 4: And so you've got those aircraft up, and that's a
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven commitment of eight aircraft.
Speaker 6: That's a lot.
Speaker 4: And then you've got a tens or armed helicopters down
Speaker 4: on the deck to hit the fast attack craft. Twenty
Speaker 4: four to seven, so probably a tens in daylight, helicopters
Speaker 4: at night. I mean, your choice on that. And then
Speaker 4: you've got to have destroyers. So this extra time is
Speaker 4: giving us time to flow in destroyers from Japan, from Hawaii,
Speaker 4: from San Diego that I think have been happening, from
Speaker 4: the East Coast that I think have been happening, so
Speaker 4: that you have a thicker number of destroyers, not just
Speaker 4: the destroyers with the Bush Carrier Strike Group that's coming in,
Speaker 4: but independent sailing destroyers that are then part of the
Speaker 4: convoy operation.
Speaker 6: And then you can begin doing.
Speaker 4: Your convoys and they'll be risk but once you get
Speaker 4: a couple through, you'll understand, and then they'll have to
Speaker 4: be a decision on mind sweeping. Based on how the
Speaker 4: Iranians are routing ships right now, we probably have a
Speaker 4: pretty good idea if there's a minefield laid and where
Speaker 4: it is, and then we can, you know, decide how
Speaker 4: we go about sweeping it. But I assume at that
Speaker 4: point all three lcs will be back, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: cutting circles somewhere in the North Arabian Sea, ready to
Speaker 4: go do that mission.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I know you've expressed confidence before, and you've been your
Speaker 1: prediction has been worn out that the Lincoln in the
Speaker 1: Ford didn't have much to worry about. If Arlie Burke
Speaker 1: class destroyers are going up and down the straights of
Speaker 1: hour moves in convoy. Do those ships as both are
Speaker 1: the merchant ships have anything? What's the degree of risk
Speaker 1: to the best destroyers we have?
Speaker 6: There's risk.
Speaker 4: First of all, the minds are a big risk to me.
Speaker 4: And then you know, it's a very short if they
Speaker 4: if they've somehow kept an anti ship cruise missile with
Speaker 4: its tail launcher available and it pops out, I think
Speaker 4: one of them launching isn't a risk to a destroyer.
Speaker 4: They'll have no problem with it. Even at a short
Speaker 4: range like that. They have a short decision cycle. They're
Speaker 4: going to be biased towards hostile. It was biased towards
Speaker 4: shooting anything coming out. And then but then if there's
Speaker 4: two or three launched simultaneously from slightly different angles at
Speaker 4: one asset, that's going to be hard. I think the
Speaker 4: destoriers can still defend themselves. What becomes a little bit
Speaker 4: harder is defending someone who's slightly off access from me,
Speaker 4: like a merchant ship.
Speaker 6: So my gut reactions.
Speaker 4: You know, almost all weapon systems are optimized to be
Speaker 4: their coolest and best defending themselves, and then their area
Speaker 4: air defense capabilities are good, but slightly reduced, So there
Speaker 4: is a risk and that's why you keep bombing a
Speaker 4: little bit. You take this pause to see if anyone
Speaker 4: showed their hand like they took something out and put
Speaker 4: it back in, moved something that unusual communications around an area.
Speaker 6: I'm sure we're developing.
Speaker 4: Target sets to continue to viscerate that the thing that
Speaker 4: does was more likely to come out, you know, come
Speaker 4: flying at of a drones, and I'm a little less
Speaker 4: worried about those in terms of I think the FA
Speaker 4: teens can pick n F sixteens and F fifteen's can
Speaker 4: pick them off with their advanced posision killed weapon system.
Speaker 6: But you know there'll be more of them that could
Speaker 6: be like.
Speaker 1: This pause is also giving the second amphib with the
Speaker 1: second Marine Expeditionary Unit time to get there from San Diego,
Speaker 1: joined the one that came from Japan. What do you
Speaker 1: foresee them having, if any, role in securing the strait?
Speaker 1: I mean, do they go ashore at some point and
Speaker 1: sweep up and down and inland in order.
Speaker 2: To secure a patch opposite the straight.
Speaker 4: You know, I think seizing and holding territory against a
Speaker 4: population of ninety million who who although they may not
Speaker 4: like the regime, do not like being occupied would be
Speaker 4: a stretch. And look, we've just demonstrated we weren't ready.
Speaker 4: Our landforces are not ready for drone attack. For long
Speaker 4: range drawing attacks by your heads, they hit things they
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been able to hit because we have not
Speaker 4: properly designed acceptor drones.
Speaker 6: Similarly, I don't think we're ready.
Speaker 4: For first person view draw the FPV one way attack drones,
Speaker 4: the shorter range ones that kill the Ukrainians will tell
Speaker 4: you they kill. Eighty percent of Russian combat casualties come
Speaker 4: from drone strikes, either air or ground drone strikes.
Speaker 6: I don't think we're ready for that either.
Speaker 4: I don't think we have the jaming capabilities inherent in
Speaker 4: our units in a way that would be helpful. So
Speaker 4: I think we should hold off seizing and holding land
Speaker 4: because the rest.
Speaker 6: Of force would be too high.
Speaker 4: Plus once you do that, I want to talk about
Speaker 4: every asset you have being piled in for risk to
Speaker 4: mission to protect, to protect those assets and the impact
Speaker 4: that I have on all your other mission other which
Speaker 4: if you seize an island like carg Island, I'm not
Speaker 4: saying we would do that at this point, but if
Speaker 4: you did, you have to put multiple destroyers around it
Speaker 4: provide air defense for the assets there. So I really
Speaker 4: don't think seizing and holding land. You can use marines
Speaker 4: to clear someone off of something doing an assertion extraction
Speaker 4: in smaller units, I see value in that, But if
Speaker 4: you're going to season hold land man, you're you're really
Speaker 4: taking a lot of risk of force.
Speaker 2: Give me a question.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Ukrainians obviously know a lot more
Speaker 1: about using and defending drones than we do, but we
Speaker 1: have a lot of sunk costs and not being Ukraine's
Speaker 1: friends over the last two years. Have we gotten over
Speaker 1: that and are we working with the Ukrainians to absorb
Speaker 1: what they know about defense and offense needs to be
Speaker 1: drawne we have a minute.
Speaker 6: Yep, look we are.
Speaker 4: We have not done enough yet to absorb everything they
Speaker 4: have and absorb their technology. And their technology is not
Speaker 4: perfect for us that you know, people, I love the
Speaker 4: Ukrainian stuff, you know, I believe in it. I also
Speaker 4: know that it doesn't link into our weapon. We like
Speaker 4: to have all the weapons systems linked together so your
Speaker 4: drone doesn't accidentally shoot.
Speaker 6: Down my F fifteen. Right, So I'm a tiny there's
Speaker 6: the art legitimate concerns.
Speaker 2: But when we.
Speaker 4: Dismissed them a year ago as part of our general
Speaker 4: dismissing if you don't have cards, they had cards and
Speaker 4: we didn't take You know, we could have grabbed a
Speaker 4: couple of aces from them.
Speaker 6: We didn't.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Still time to do it. I hope we do.
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Speaker 10: been impeached for reasons of corruption, or at least they
Speaker 10: were accused of it. Some were actually sentenced to prison
Speaker 10: Philly long terms ten years, twenty five years. So this
Speaker 10: is they just can't seem to get past this and
Speaker 10: have stability. They have thirty candidates running for president.
Speaker 1: And when those thirty candidates, when they vote, do they
Speaker 1: come down to two then the top two vote getters.
Speaker 10: If somebody gets fifty one percent, it's over. But the
Speaker 10: likelihood of that is small, so there would be a
Speaker 10: runoff election in June if no one gets fifty one percent.
Speaker 1: Now there's a Fuji Mori on the ballot, but it's
Speaker 1: his daughter. Does she have any poll by name identification
Speaker 1: like Bolsonaro in Brazil the Sun is running.
Speaker 6: She does, I.
Speaker 10: Mean she does, She actually has in the polling, she
Speaker 10: has more support than anyone else, but that's only fifteen percent,
Speaker 10: so you can see the chances of her or someone
Speaker 10: else getting to fifty one is not great. But Peru's
Speaker 10: an incredible country you know, one of the greatest tourist
Speaker 10: destinations in the world, you know, with Machu.
Speaker 1: Pichu, and they have such different topography. My law school
Speaker 1: roommate is retired now goes down there and works with
Speaker 1: the local Catholics on an agricultural project. I know that
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, coach Haarbaugh, has been down there a lot
Speaker 1: with the Catholic Church, and of course Popo Leo spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Peru. I'm so sort of
Speaker 1: confused by how can a country that is so beloved
Speaker 1: by people who visit it be so unstable in it's politics.
Speaker 1: It's not like revolutionary violence. It's just corruption, isn't it.
Speaker 6: It is, that's right.
Speaker 10: I mean, the gorilla movements have pretty much all finished,
Speaker 10: at least in Peru. I mean, this is just a
Speaker 10: long standing problem. As I said, it really goes back
Speaker 10: to the beginning of the twentieth century.
Speaker 6: It just seems to have accelerated in the twenty first century.
Speaker 10: And part of the problem is that the Constitution a
Speaker 10: number of years ago it gave the single house of
Speaker 10: their Congress the power to impeach the president pretty much
Speaker 10: for any reason they decide, and that has destabilized the
Speaker 10: kind of the checks and balances. So actually they have
Speaker 10: another constitutional amendment that is going to change that this year,
Speaker 10: where in addition to the Chamber of Deputies the lower house,
Speaker 10: they'll have a Senate again, so there'll be more balanced
Speaker 10: between the Parliament, if you will, and the president. So
Speaker 10: maybe this parade of impeachments will stop.
Speaker 2: More on the American model. I hope.
Speaker 1: Well, our paradive impeachment will pick up again if the
Speaker 1: House flips in November, but it won't throw a President
Speaker 1: Trump out office. Philip, I want to remind everyone the
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Speaker 10: We have about fifteen people and we research constantly. Like
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Speaker 2: So I want to stress.
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Speaker 1: would bet there's this big meeting in Islama Abaud this week,
Speaker 1: and I've been talking about it all day, Philip, I
Speaker 1: doubt anyone can find Islama about in a map in
Speaker 1: the average sixth grade, although we used to take geography.
Speaker 1: By the way, do you get feedback from the teachers
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Speaker 1: And so that was a generous offer by phil I said,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it and tell people about it. But
Speaker 1: you ought to be as smart The New York Times,
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