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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to this episode of Thinking Christian. I'm

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Speaker 1: doctor James Spencer and I'm joined today by Nick sash.

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Speaker 1: Nick and I are actually friends from high school. But

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Speaker 1: he's also the host of the Foundational Father's podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can catch that on podcast platforms, YouTube, that kind of place,

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Speaker 1: at those kind of places. He's also written a new

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Speaker 1: book called Unmuted From Silence to Testimony, and he has

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Speaker 1: a previous book out and I'll let you remind me

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Speaker 1: of that title, Nick, So I don't get it wrong

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Speaker 1: on Harmony Lane, found on Harmony Lane and a lot

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Speaker 1: of these. You know, you've got the Harmony Lane, You've

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Speaker 1: got the Unmuted. These are related to your kind of

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Speaker 1: passion for music.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, to my personal testimony.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: just your background, I mean, how did you how did

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Speaker 1: you get into doing the podcast, what was your passion

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Speaker 1: around the podcast? And then we'll jump over into Unmuted

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Speaker 1: and talk about it for a bit.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I can do that. So, I've been a musician

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Speaker 2: for I'm scaming to say this, but about forty years now,

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Speaker 2: and so I've been kind of played in different bands

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Speaker 2: throughout my life and had multiple opportunities to also lead

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Speaker 2: from stage and worship as well as where I kind

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Speaker 2: of been sitting in the last ten twelve years is

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Speaker 2: so when that kind of all transpired, I was not

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Speaker 2: living the life that everybody thought I was living. I

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Speaker 2: was very much living two lives. I was one person

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Speaker 2: when I was working in a way from everybody, and

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Speaker 2: that transferred over into church, that transferred over into every

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Speaker 2: aspect of most of my friends groups. And so God

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Speaker 2: got a hold of me about nine years ago now

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Speaker 2: and really mix things up for me and gave me

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Speaker 2: the ultimatum like You've got to choose which life you

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Speaker 2: want to live. And so that affected my marriage and

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Speaker 2: my kids, and my friends groups say, and my relationships

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Speaker 2: at church. But nine years later it was a good

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Speaker 2: and I'm grateful to say that I chose his path

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Speaker 2: instead of my own. And that's kind of where found

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Speaker 2: on Harmony Lane came about. It's kind of that story.

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Speaker 2: And then that's also kind of where Unmuted kind of

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Speaker 3: So very cool. How many kids you have, Nick.

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Speaker 2: I have three, sorry, twenty three, twenty one, and seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're a little ahead of me.

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Speaker 1: I've got a twenty year old just turned twenty, and

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Speaker 1: then to sixteen year olds, and then of course we

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Speaker 1: going to be grandpa dad eventually. But well, talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Unmuted. You know you mentioned this it

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Speaker 1: came about through this sort of transition point in your life.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I mean we knew each other in

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Speaker 1: I was not following the Lord at that point either,

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Speaker 1: and I hit my big transition point, that big tipping

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Speaker 1: interesting you had a similar sort of path, maybe even

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Speaker 1: how it connects to Unmuted.

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Speaker 2: So, as a as a kid in high school, I

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Speaker 2: grew up in a Christian home. My parents were one

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Speaker 2: to find your calling in life, your walk, and a

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Speaker 2: And really unmuted is the story of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: You're not supposed to to be an emotional mess, right,

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Speaker 2: And so when God got a hold of me, he

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Speaker 2: And God really got a hold of me and said,

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Speaker 2: for so long, that's not where God has called me

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Speaker 2: breathe in that background. Am I thriving? And so really,

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Speaker 2: what Unmuted is all about is how to thrive and

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Speaker 2: live out God's purpose for your life, even if you

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Speaker 2: are one of those people who feels like you're only

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Speaker 2: not hurting anyone maybe, but in turn, you will hurt

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Speaker 2: to you. Really, that's where this what kind of sprouted from.

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Speaker 2: And it's been, oh a few years in the making,

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Speaker 2: and I'm also finishing up a novel that kind of

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Speaker 2: correlates with this, So this is more of like a

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Speaker 2: you like, so, where how's your story? What's your story like?

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Speaker 2: And that walks along with this. So it's a quick reed,

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Speaker 2: that will be out there soon, as well as things

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Speaker 1: See you feel like you know just over time you

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Speaker 1: sort of took a back seat when God was really

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Speaker 1: prompting you to be front and center. Is that part

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Speaker 1: of what kind of prompted you to start doing the podcasting,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was kind of so I beca't

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Speaker 2: I'm known as the mute bass player to some people.

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Speaker 2: And that's I kind of like stuck into that whole

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, there's YouTube for that, and he goes, well,

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Speaker 2: we haven't handled the milk yet, right, we're still infants

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Speaker 2: so he was like, I want I want solid food,

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about it. And I said, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: And that was over a year ago now, and it's

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Speaker 2: been crazy just what God has done through that ministry

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Speaker 2: I still know how to do this better, okay.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah, I got some critiques from my

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Speaker 1: I think today to sort of get voices out there.

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Speaker 1: what's next. You know, how do you how do you

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Speaker 1: Christ through a medium like this? But what's that next iteration?

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Speaker 1: Video seems to be a big part of it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how Ai'll fit in there, but I'm sure

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Speaker 3: But it's it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you guys, you know what your

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Speaker 2: So I think the niche for us is ever changing.

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Speaker 2: And the Holy Spirit is sitting there ready to pull

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Speaker 2: the trigger at any time to be able to fend

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Speaker 2: off any of the devil's toils that is throwing at us.

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Speaker 2: And God's word is the scripture, and the Scripture are

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Speaker 2: those bullets. If we don't have those bullets in our gun,

436
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Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit is useless against a lot of those

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Speaker 2: toils that the devil throws our way. And so and

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Speaker 2: that actually was an analogy given to me for all

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Speaker 2: this craziness that I've happened. So it was kind of

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Speaker 2: a God moment me. It was like, Okay, God, I

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Speaker 2: see what you're saying, you know, and it's it is

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Speaker 2: very easy to now relate to a lot of people

443
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Speaker 2: like you can go you know a lot of everything

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Speaker 2: that had happened, this is this is a way that

445
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Speaker 2: you can look at how God's word is in your

446
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Speaker 2: life so important and why the man that was a

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Speaker 2: martyred for his faith was so easy and happy the

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Speaker 2: whole time because he had God's word hid in his

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Speaker 2: heart so that he wouldn't send against him no matter

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Speaker 2: what situation. And man, I can't wait till I have

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Speaker 2: that kind of faith and those kind of bullets to

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Speaker 2: be able to fend off anything that the devil may

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Speaker 2: throw at me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So me, as you were telling that story, I was

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Speaker 1: actually thinking you were going to go a completely different way,

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Speaker 1: which is.

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Speaker 3: Which is kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate the the idea of preparation. I

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Speaker 1: think that makes sense to me, and it's it's different

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Speaker 1: than what I was thinking you were going to go.

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Speaker 1: So I find that when I'm in those kind of situations.

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Speaker 1: There are these moments when there's nothing I could have

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Speaker 1: prepared for. Right, our air conditioner just broke. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I have no idea what I'm doing. Like, there's

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Speaker 1: not a hammer or screw driver you could hand me

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Speaker 1: that's going to help me fix an air conditioner.

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Speaker 3: I have no clue.

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Speaker 1: And so you just, you know, we're like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be without air conditioning for a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: We'll get the HVAC guys in, we'll do the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. And what I found was that because

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Speaker 1: I was completely helpless in the moment, just totally have

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Speaker 1: no capacity to fix the issue, that what I had to.

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Speaker 3: Do was reorient my aims, right, like.

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Speaker 1: Really think it through and say, in this moment, I'm

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Speaker 1: not doing what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm not spending my money what I want to say

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Speaker 3: spend it on.

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Speaker 1: Right, this seems like such a waste of time and

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Speaker 1: energy and effort over something that should just work. And

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Speaker 1: yet you sort of take a step back and you go,

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Speaker 1: what's the goal here?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: The goal is.

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Speaker 1: Acting so that only God gets the glory in every

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Speaker 1: moment of every situation. And so I was tweaked about it,

487
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Speaker 1: like I was frustrated. But at the same time, I'm

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Speaker 1: sort of sitting back going in this moment where I

489
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Speaker 1: have no other alternative. I can only really do this.

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Speaker 1: I have to depend on other people, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we want to get air conditioning, which you know we're

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Speaker 1: down there Saint Louis. We hits hot, right, it's still hot.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this at like the end of September, early October.

494
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Speaker 1: It's still hot. It's ridiculous. But I just had to

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Speaker 1: sort of let things go. And I think the story

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Speaker 1: you were telling, you know, where you have the hour

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Speaker 1: and a half to get back to a church event.

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Speaker 1: I find that those and I don't mean this in

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Speaker 1: a bad way, but those arbitrary schedules often get in

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Speaker 1: the way of my witness. Yeah, because I'm so obsessed

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Speaker 1: with getting there on time. I'm so like, hey, the

502
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Speaker 1: schedule is this, and so we need to stay on schedule.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something appropriate about that, But then when

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Speaker 1: it skews and there's problems, I sometimes I realize, like

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Speaker 1: I'm booking myself too tight. So I don't know. That

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Speaker 1: was just a different riff on some of what you

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Speaker 1: said there.

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Speaker 2: I like both angles and both have very good meaning.

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Speaker 2: Like prioritizing what you're doing in life is important, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the main thing is, you know, what was the ultimate

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Speaker 2: commandment that God gave? Right, There's there's like a lot

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Speaker 2: of commandments that he kind of put down on the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Moses carried ten down because when

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Speaker 2: he was picking up the tablets, they must have broken

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Speaker 2: if you might have fallen off. Maybe there was fifteen

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Speaker 2: or twenty. I don't know. Maybe he just wasn't wrong

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Speaker 2: enough carry more than that. But like, I mean, those

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Speaker 2: ten carry a lot of weight, right, but the one

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Speaker 2: of the one that I think kind of supersedes all

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Speaker 2: of them. We were talking about this at church last night.

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Speaker 2: Worship practice is that love the Lord, your God and

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Speaker 2: what serve him only? Like, if if that is what

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Speaker 2: you're doing, then you're doing it right. But a lot

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Speaker 2: of times we get that wrong because everything else under

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Speaker 2: the sun of God that we put our faith and

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Speaker 2: our trust and our focus and our schedules in, we're

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Speaker 2: not serving him only in that. A lot of times, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can even like have church can even be one

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Speaker 2: of those things that we put above God, you know,

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Speaker 2: and our wives, we love them right, but and we

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Speaker 2: want to put them up there. But if we don't

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Speaker 2: put God above her, we're not loving her right First,

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Speaker 2: Christians Really Stressed is about what that looks like. And

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Speaker 2: it's a great book to read right now, we're going

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Speaker 2: over it in church, and it's a it's a fun

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Speaker 2: one to to dabble in, and it's also a very

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Speaker 2: opening one, like you really go, oh, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: do I do that? You know, wait a minute, am

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Speaker 2: I acting that way? Wow? Okay, God says I don't

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Speaker 2: even deserve the Kingdom of Heaven this way. So a

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Speaker 2: lot of that can be done by just prioritizing our time.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, Augustine, that sort of order of loves

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Speaker 1: has been you know, put out there in the news.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: Van's references that referenced it a couple of times, and

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Speaker 1: you know, so it became part of the sort of

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Speaker 1: public conversation there for a minute at least. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things I love about the way Augustin describes

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Speaker 1: the order of love. He describes it almost like a river.

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Speaker 1: And if your love for God is the current of

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Speaker 1: the river, anything you throw into the river is going

552
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Speaker 1: to be drawn along by the current. But the whole

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Speaker 1: idea is that it's God's love, is not you know,

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Speaker 1: the top priority and then once you get that done,

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Speaker 1: you can move to the second on the priority list.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the wrong picture for us. What it

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Speaker 1: is is it's an immersive experience. And so the love

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Speaker 1: of God is something that we immerse other things into

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Speaker 1: so that you know, just like you couldn't put anything

560
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Speaker 1: underwater without it being wet.

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Speaker 3: Right now, all.

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Speaker 1: Your other loves are immersed within this love of God

563
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Speaker 1: and they change they by coming in contact with and

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Speaker 1: being shaped by that.

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Speaker 3: Love for God.

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Speaker 1: Now our other loves are less distorted, they are less deformed.

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Speaker 1: They are now shaped into something that is christ Like,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're rightly directed. And so I've always loved

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Speaker 1: that picture that Augustine gives. I think it's just a

570
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Speaker 1: really vivid way of thinking about it, and it is

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Speaker 1: a little different than a lot of times we talk

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Speaker 1: about it now, you know, we we do tend to

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Speaker 1: talk about priorities or balance or you know, all those

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Speaker 1: kind of pieces. But the reality is God isn't calling

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Speaker 1: us to balance. He's calling us to radical unbalance, a

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Speaker 1: total love for Him and only service to him, allows

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Speaker 1: us then to love everyone else. He's not asking for

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Speaker 1: part of our time. You know, hey, keep me in

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Speaker 1: mind whenever you're doing stuff, right, It's a more radical

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Speaker 1: obedience than that. So just yeah, sort of resonating with

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Speaker 1: what you're saying there. Well, man, I mean we're we're

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Speaker 1: getting we're getting kind of close to the end here

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Speaker 1: of our time together. You know, where where do you see?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the novel? Where do you see your sort

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Speaker 1: of trajectory going? I mean, does God has God giving

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Speaker 1: you sort of a general trajectory?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like for me, I think where I'm landing on, where

589
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Speaker 1: I really want to go is Christian first? Right, helping

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Speaker 1: people understand that concept almost that I just described with Augustine.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do you go about being Christian first?

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Speaker 1: How do you go about living Christian first? And immersing

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Speaker 1: everything you are and have within this love of God,

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Speaker 1: within a loyalty to Him. And that's sort of the

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Speaker 1: I think the trajectory of my writing, my speaking, everything

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Speaker 1: I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: Where do you see yourself sort of heading?

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of in that same boat with you. So,

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Speaker 2: like it's all about just being able to allow people

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Speaker 2: to realize that they have a story and kind and

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Speaker 2: being able to speak it, you know, without out here

602
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Speaker 2: trembling doing it. But like it doesn't have to be

603
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Speaker 2: in front of thousands of people. It can be a

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Speaker 2: one to one basis. It can be over coffee, it

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Speaker 2: can be at McDonald's. So like, there's so many different

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Speaker 2: ways that you can share God to people that as

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Speaker 2: long as God ordains the appointment is that seed is

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Speaker 2: going to be planted. It may not be that they

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Speaker 2: are falling in love with what you have to stay

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Speaker 2: right away, but that seed will be planted. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's the most important part of us is that

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Speaker 2: we are seed sewers. And so Foundational Father's Podcast is

613
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Speaker 2: doing this spin off to allow that to be more

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Speaker 2: of a thing for the people that are in a

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Speaker 2: different generation than we are, as well as Foundational Father's

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Speaker 2: Podcast is going to be taking their show on the road.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be doing more like getting our hands dirty,

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Speaker 2: not just talking about getting our hands dirty, but actually

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Speaker 2: living that out. Because I feel like we can talk

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Speaker 2: through this mic and on this camera all we want

621
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Speaker 2: about the way to do things, but if we're not

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Speaker 2: in the public eye going that's we believe it not

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Speaker 2: only by speaking it, but by doing it. It says

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Speaker 2: in the Bible that not to just be hearers of

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Speaker 2: the word, but doers also And so that's kind of

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Speaker 2: where we're are phasing two. We are gearing up to

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna possibly be doing a podcast live

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Speaker 2: from a combine here soon. That should be fun. Uh

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Speaker 2: hopefully there's somebody driving it that knows where there won't

630
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Speaker 2: be me. But yeah, so like we're and we're gonna

631
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Speaker 2: be going to Shane Boland's pretty good wood turning chat

632
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Speaker 2: uh up near Chicago and doing a live broadcast from there.

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Speaker 2: He's been a pretty good supporter of my program and

634
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Speaker 2: and he's got some pretty cool stuff, so he does. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's got a great story. We actually, uh there is

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Speaker 2: an episode where we interviewed him about his story and

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Speaker 2: so if you haven't had a chance to go check

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Speaker 2: it out, do So it's a it was a Shane

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Speaker 2: Boland was the guest then. I think it was in

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Speaker 2: season two. But yeah, we're in season three now, which

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Speaker 2: is also and we're gearing up for an amazing and

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Speaker 2: to season three and then that season four is where

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Speaker 2: everything kind of starts to be on hand in hand

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Speaker 2: on people's locations. So if any of your guests out

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Speaker 2: there are looking for some volunteers, send us. We would

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Speaker 2: love to go.

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Speaker 3: Very cool.

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Speaker 1: That sounds that actually sounds pretty fun. I do a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes. I've done a couple episodes outside the studio,

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Speaker 1: and I find I have a low technological capacity for it.

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Speaker 1: But God bless you man doing out going out and

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Speaker 1: doing those on the road because they are not simple.

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Speaker 3: So that's a fantastic move. I really love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you. I usually ask my guests

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Speaker 1: like one final question. I ask it of most of

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Speaker 1: my guests. And so you can take this wherever you want.

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Speaker 1: You can link it back to what we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: You can go a wholly different way. But here's the question.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the church should be doing today

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Speaker 1: in order to be and make more faithful disciples.

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Speaker 2: I think what I talked about earlier about ordinary faith

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Speaker 2: is what the church should be doing. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of churches out there that I understand trying to be relevant,

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Speaker 2: to be you know able to to cast the big

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Speaker 2: net to catch as many fish as possible, which is

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Speaker 2: a is important. Don't get me wrong. That's a very

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Speaker 2: big part of what we're called to do, but we

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Speaker 2: also need to be sowing seeds when we're casting nets,

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Speaker 2: and so I think it's very important that we realize

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Speaker 2: that the biggest part of sowing seeds is living out

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Speaker 2: in our own lives that ordinary faith of who God

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Speaker 2: is in our life. And we're not we're not sugarcoating it,

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Speaker 2: We're we're not giving it confetti. We are saying for I.

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Speaker 2: It says in the Bible that for I am the

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Speaker 2: way the truth in the lives, that no one comes

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Speaker 2: upon it but by me. And as simple as that, like,

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Speaker 2: we just need to be a church, a church body

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Speaker 2: with hands and feet that all believe the same thing,

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Speaker 2: that that is the one and only way to get

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Speaker 2: to heaven, and we will do anything and everything to

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Speaker 2: let everybody else around us know that that's the case.

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Speaker 1: Cool, good answer, man, I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 1: those small steps of obedience, that intentional engagement every moment

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Speaker 1: of our lives is something that all of us need

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Speaker 1: to do and it's very difficult to do. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: good stuff man. Well, thanks for being on today. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time. And your book is going to

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Speaker 1: release here in a few weeks. On all platforms. I

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Speaker 1: think this podcast will be out before that happened or

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Speaker 1: after that happens, and so we'll include all the links,

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Speaker 1: uh to get Nick Sash's book, Unmuted from Silence to Testimony.

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Speaker 1: It'll be on your own personal store, but it'll loss

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Speaker 1: be on Amazon and all the other fun places you

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Speaker 1: can get books right.

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Speaker 2: On my own store at the mute based player dot com. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And so it'll be a discount of price till it

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Speaker 2: releases out to Amazon, and depending on the response rate,

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Speaker 2: I might just extend that discount worldwide. So we'll see what.

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Speaker 1: Has very cool and then Foundational Fathers is the best

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Speaker 1: place to find that. On YouTube, where do you usually

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Speaker 1: send people to get your podcasts and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of good stuff.

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Speaker 2: YouTube have video podcasting uh on there. So both of

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Speaker 2: those places have our video, but on any platform you

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Speaker 2: can always get the actual audio version of it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: YouTube and spotifies where mainly throw people at cool.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember where I watched it, but I watched

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Speaker 1: you give your testimony at church, I believe, and that

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Speaker 1: might have been on your on your website.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So i'd encourage people to go to the Mute

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Speaker 1: bass Player dot com. Yep, that's that right, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I encourage people go to the mute player, mute abuse,

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Speaker 1: mute bait bass player dot com, the mute bass player

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Speaker 1: dot com again, I'll link that in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: We'll give you everywhere you can connect with foundational Fathers

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Speaker 1: with Nick, get his book, check out his testimony, really

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Speaker 1: good stuff, and just encourage you to go and check

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Speaker 1: out everything he's doing.

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Speaker 3: Great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Really again, appreciate you being here and uh, just thanks

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Speaker 1: for being on the episode.

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Speaker 2: Hey, take care man. We'll see you again soon, hopefully.

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Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, thanks for joining us today. I'm thinking Christian,

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Speaker 1: we'll catch you on the next episode. Take care, everybody,