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Speaker 1: Life Audio. Welcome to the Out of Zion podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Shelley Niece filling in for doctor Susan Michael, and

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Speaker 2: today we have a special guest with us, a first

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Speaker 2: time guest, Ryan Levine. He is the executive director of

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Speaker 2: the A Fraught Development Foundation.

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Speaker 1: So Ryan, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, Connecting Israel the Bible,

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Speaker 4: and bring the Bible to life in your everyday world. Now,

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Speaker 4: let's join Susan with your Israel answers.

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Speaker 2: So first, Ryan, can you tell us just to the

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Speaker 2: Christian audience. Our audience is primarily Christian and the Bible,

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Speaker 2: is it Bethlehem? Is it on the way to Bethlehem?

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Speaker 3: Good question, O, great question. In front and Bethlehem are

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Speaker 3: often used interchangeably in the Bible. One to refer to

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Speaker 3: the other. And what adds further confusion to that is,

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Speaker 3: as you said, the use of the term the way

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Speaker 3: to the way of Fraud or the way of Bethlehem.

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Speaker 3: But one thing is for absolute certain Effraut and Bethleyhem

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Speaker 3: that's proximity have a very shared biblical narrative, and that

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Speaker 3: is and that is true historically and true fruits.

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Speaker 1: So today, what are some of those biblical high points?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we know the Christian one that is

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Speaker 2: the birthplace of Jesus, but what about other big mom So.

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Speaker 3: King David grows up and is raised ship, adding his

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Speaker 3: flocks in the hills surrounding Bethlehem. The story the story

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Speaker 3: of Ruth and BoA's in which we read over the

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Speaker 3: festival of shovel World happens and takes place in the

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Speaker 3: outskirts of Bethlehem. And finally, Samson, you know, battles battles

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Speaker 3: the Philistines and the hilltop that's just adjacent to the

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Speaker 3: northernmost tip of their front. And further south, we know

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Speaker 3: that one of the Maccabean battles, the Battle of Eliezo,

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Speaker 3: takes place literally on the other side of the highway.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of a lot of the Biblical narrative

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Speaker 3: and heritage in our in our neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing Christians like when jewsus ask Christians why

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Speaker 2: do you support Israel? You know, one of our answers

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Speaker 2: is just that we have the same heroes, we have

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Speaker 2: the same Bible, the same stories, and so it's really

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Speaker 2: amazing that you get to live out in this place.

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Speaker 2: So just to place modern Effrat where you wish and

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Speaker 2: your community.

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Speaker 1: Give us just where geographically is that in Israel.

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Speaker 3: So Fred, if you're coming out, if you're exiting Jerusalem

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Speaker 3: through the southern tunnels on the way to Hevron, that

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Speaker 3: you'll past Bethlem on the left. The northern entrance to

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Speaker 3: Effred is at that same junction. If Freud geographically is

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Speaker 3: burd of across seven hilltops, standing all the way down

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Speaker 3: to the Gushitzian junction. So it's a pretty it's pretty long,

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Speaker 2: I lived in Israel during the Second Antifada, and one

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Speaker 2: thing I remember about Frat was that was considered a

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Speaker 2: very dangerous road, right that it was before the Wall

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Speaker 2: and it was. So can you just tell a little

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Speaker 2: bit about those stories and what that experience was like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we know ve during the Second Intifada, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of attacks along here the sixty Highway,

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Speaker 3: which we like to call it the Bible Highway because

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Speaker 3: of its its placement, its significance, a lot of shooting,

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Speaker 3: attacks on motorists. There's a school on the outspirts of Bethlehem,

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Speaker 3: which was used as sniper point here, attacks on front

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Speaker 3: in the context of the on all that happening, Affront

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Speaker 3: actually took the initiative and developed a medical center in

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Speaker 3: broader bush that's on and surrounding areas. It is the

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Speaker 3: only self sustained medical center and the entirety of Israel.

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Speaker 3: That was so novel and the need was so relevant

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Speaker 3: At the time were still feelful to the extent that

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Speaker 2: And it's an unusual community and that there's a lot

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Speaker 2: just explain how that happened and its founding that it

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Speaker 3: I think one at its founding, at its inception, there

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Speaker 3: its inception. I think that that created an actual sense

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Speaker 3: I think that began what ultimately was the decades long

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Speaker 1: Do you know what what what the breakdown is?

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Speaker 3: We just did a survey something like twenty diffink residents

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Speaker 2: of religious people as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so fraud is fall into some a purpose as

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Speaker 3: a religious community. But it's a religious religiousity defined broadly.

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Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't have a very fixed religious ideological

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Speaker 3: within that gamut, feeling very comfortable at Hanven.

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Speaker 3: Or as a modern Orthodox. That's definitely a modern Orthodox city.

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Speaker 3: Within that there are a variety of religious affiliations or

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Speaker 2: And one thing just even in the time period leading

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Speaker 3: reservers of your community is there were times, you know,

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Speaker 3: that fathers and sons could be absent from a household

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Speaker 3: structure for extended periods of time in parallel one to

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Speaker 3: obviously had a significant impact on the social cohesion of

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Speaker 3: unfortunately dealing with the ramifications of that. Unfortunately, the war

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Speaker 3: COVID and such, was just a perfect storm, creating heightened

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Speaker 3: hiking cases of anxiety amongst the youth and your social

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Speaker 3: eating disorders anxiety PTSD, and those are areas that we're

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Speaker 3: our as a foundation supporting the municipality are very much

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you know this is a narrative, This is

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Speaker 2: a story that only so many people know. You weren't

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Speaker 2: attacked on October seventh, but you have this really high

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Speaker 2: participation in the IDEF, so your community suffers in this

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Speaker 2: very unusual way, but it's not something many people know about.

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Speaker 1: So how did you go about like providing.

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Speaker 2: Those services for this high need that wasn't well?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first, I think it stands testament

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Speaker 3: of testament to you. I mean the immigrants, you know

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Speaker 3: you know, of our donor community would provide you know,

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Speaker 3: the ability for us to be able to action our mission.

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Speaker 3: We're remain eternally grateful to that and especially the you know,

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Speaker 1: What are you seeing? What?

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Speaker 2: What are your big practics in a fraud right now?

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Speaker 2: Like where are you putting most of your focus?

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Speaker 3: the coroaches and mental health space. We have a clinic. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So if we empower them with with with the tool

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Speaker 3: It's when when when the anxiety attack happened in the

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Speaker 3: is growing exponentially. Unfortunately, we've have several suicides of the

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Speaker 3: last few years of our use. So those are those

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Speaker 3: are our two big projects. And then in the education space,

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Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't need that need, especially moving into a digital future.

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Speaker 3: And one of our other big projects, and this is

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Speaker 3: very very exciting, is a Solomon Spool's visitor Center.

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Speaker 1: Solomon Solomon's School part of a front.

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Speaker 3: Solomon's pools should have been part of the fraud as

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Speaker 3: another history. Solomon's schools sit between a fraud and Bethlehem.

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Speaker 3: Cavron region through through a front were collected into those

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Speaker 1: So is there water in the pools? Now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've only ever seen the dry ones. I can't

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Speaker 3: It's actually very, very impressive to see. We did a

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Speaker 3: And that in itself is you feel that you're tapping

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Speaker 2: Dug out And I really see like a poetic connection

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Speaker 1: So there's definitely a poetic link there for sure.

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Speaker 3: It's a very proud history that we see ourselves as

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Speaker 2: Do you see any any change with just the international communities?

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Speaker 3: I definitely see an exciting conversation around the topic. I

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Speaker 3: I think that's good. I don't think we should shy

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Speaker 2: And even without the the bookal significan cans and the

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Speaker 2: So can you just explain that.

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Speaker 1: And you certainly feel that when you pass it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was a hilltop city that's looking down

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Speaker 3: See Jerusalem very clearly from from various plants of Effroat.

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Speaker 1: It's higher than Jerusalem. It is higher than Jerusalem.

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Speaker 3: Not biblically but no, no no, but physically geographically higher.

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Speaker 3: Are not so colder? Yes, you get SnO really well,

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Speaker 3: we used to get snow, unfortunately not so much of

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Speaker 1: It was so wonderful to have you on appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Look forward to the day.

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Speaker 2: That ICJ can bring tour groups to Solomon's pools.

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Speaker 1: And it's healthy, clean water that's provided.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I know that your organization is going to

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Speaker 2: do wonderful things for an aready Zionist community.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the time.

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