WEBVTT - 492 Prayer Lessons From Fiddler On the Roof

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<v Speaker 1>Life Audio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the Praying Christian Women podcast. I

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<v Speaker 2>am Milana here with Jamie. How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing great? How are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>I am very excited. We are taking a short break

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<v Speaker 2>from Witches and doing a complete one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>degree turn. We're going to Broadway, which everybody knows if

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<v Speaker 2>you've listened for a little bit at least. I always

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<v Speaker 2>will go back to Broadway eventually. So let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the story behind why I wanted to cover this

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<v Speaker 2>topic slash song to day. So I was subbing for

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<v Speaker 2>middle school English for the last week of school and

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<v Speaker 2>it was an unexpected departure from their normal teacher, so

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have sub plans, so I just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>had to come up with my own something or other.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day we talked about character motivation and we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about I want songs. Is that a phrase you're

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with in like musical theater or Disney lingo?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I have never heard of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a really fun lesson to do with the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, an I want song, especially if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about Disney movies, but almost every musical has what it's

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<v Speaker 2>called an I want song, and this is where the

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<v Speaker 2>character sings their motivation and usually comes toward the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>and it tells you like their driving desire. So really

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<v Speaker 2>common ones like in The Lion King we have I

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<v Speaker 2>just can't wait to be King, or Moana has her

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<v Speaker 2>really beautiful song how Far I'll go about, how she

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<v Speaker 2>longs for the ocean entangled. She's got the song when

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<v Speaker 2>will my Life Begin? Because she just wants something to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in her life. Belle sings, I want so much

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<v Speaker 2>more than this provincial life. So every Disney movie and

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<v Speaker 2>just about every musical that has singing in it, the

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<v Speaker 2>main character gets what's called an I Want song. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we were doing in class is we were going

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<v Speaker 2>through different I Want songs first to just identify what

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<v Speaker 2>is driving this character. But what I realized as we

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<v Speaker 2>were going through it is that every single I Want song,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go deeper and deeper, and basically what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about is what you and I have talked about before,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like the prayer behind the prayer behind the prayer,

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<v Speaker 2>and so love it. You might say, Okay, so just

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<v Speaker 2>off the cuff, tell me a Disney movie that has singing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll see if I can can do it on

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<v Speaker 2>the fly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the princess and the frog, I haven't seen that one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my drawing up link Disney Cinderella. Cinderella.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, she's the one I think she sings one day

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<v Speaker 2>my Prince will come? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that sound r? That sounds really?

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the og basically all of the I

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<v Speaker 2>Want songs in early Disney all the princess is one

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<v Speaker 2>of their prints. So what she wants is her prince

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<v Speaker 2>to come. And so on the one hand, you can say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she won romance and true love, but then what you

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask is what is the deeper motivation? And

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<v Speaker 2>then what you're trying to get to is the universal

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<v Speaker 2>motivation that will ring true for every single human who

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<v Speaker 2>has ever lived, or at least like ninety eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>of humans who have ever lived. So not everybody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to marry a prince. So we could make it more

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<v Speaker 2>universal by saying, oh, she wants to marry her true love. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>not everybody is motivated by love and romance, right, Either

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<v Speaker 2>you're too young to care, or maybe you've moved beyond it,

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<v Speaker 2>or you've been burned by love. So then you ask, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is an even deeper, driving universal motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes beyond romance.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just to be loved and understood, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like Cinderella specifically, it's this universal fantasy of being rescued

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<v Speaker 2>from a life of dullness, you know. And so what

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<v Speaker 2>we realize listening to these I Went songs is like

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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of list three or maybe at the

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<v Speaker 2>most full or five like universal motivations, and every song

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<v Speaker 2>is going to take you back to one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what I loved is none of the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>like all the middle school kids were too young to

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<v Speaker 2>have ever watched Fiddler on the Roof, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>I Want song we're going to be talking about, stay another.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you're talking about super famous I Want songs,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to Fiddler if I were a rich man

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just fun. I know some pop star redid it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know who. Have you heard that version

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<v Speaker 2>or do you know what I'm talking about? It's been

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<v Speaker 2>redone in a bajillion different ways. Apparently I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>a cute documentary about Fiddler. Apparently Fiddler on the Roof

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<v Speaker 2>is super popular in Japan, Like this is a musical

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<v Speaker 2>that truly does have universal appeal and it's I want

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<v Speaker 2>song from Its main character is if I were a

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<v Speaker 2>rich man. And on the surface, he's just singing about

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<v Speaker 2>how he wants to be rich, and it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>like much and it's kind of a silly song. So

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<v Speaker 2>on the surface you think of, oh, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>like a fun, little goofy song about somebody who wants

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<v Speaker 2>more money than he has. But what I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm going to walk you through it, going kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like what we did with the middle schoolers, going

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<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper and deeper, and also talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>this song can be a really powerful prayer template. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not at all being like facetious or ironic. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like analyzing this song not to be overly dramatic,

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<v Speaker 2>is like the culmination of just about everything that you

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<v Speaker 2>and I have ever talked about in praying Christian. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how excited I got about it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exciting, this is good. So tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>About your knowledge and experience with the musical.

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<v Speaker 1>Fitnler on the roof, So I know I saw it

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<v Speaker 1>live somewhere I don't know, when I was pretty young,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was one of the first like musicals I

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<v Speaker 1>remember seeing it's the Is it the one with Matchmaker? Yes? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I remember the Matchmaker scene with the girl with

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<v Speaker 1>the best and it's Matchmaker and Matchmaker make me a

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<v Speaker 1>met And I remember him literally sitting on the roof

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<v Speaker 1>ay and character singing, ah, you know, And I remember

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<v Speaker 1>him singing if I were a wealthy man, if I

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<v Speaker 1>were a rich man, I remember it being like the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling I got when I saw I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 1>remember it was a really good thing. But if I

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<v Speaker 1>had to recall the actual like plot from beginning to end,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be able to tell you. So I know

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of it, and I know it's uh, is this

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<v Speaker 1>the little Girl? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that song is so sad and beautiful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's some really really good songs in there for

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who needs the warning and the reminder. Act two

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<v Speaker 2>is so sad like it's a feel good. Act one

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<v Speaker 2>is so feel good, and then it just goes so

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<v Speaker 2>downhill like it does not have the regular happy musical

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<v Speaker 2>beats past the first two thirds of Act one, but

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<v Speaker 2>really really important, the very basic premise is Tevia is

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<v Speaker 2>a Russian Jew and I'm gonna guess the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's still czars, so it must be early nineteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's got three daughters who are all getting close

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<v Speaker 2>to marriage age, and each of them chooses a husband,

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<v Speaker 2>and each of their husband choices gets progressively farther from

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<v Speaker 2>the tradition. So the first daughter, she just chooses a

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<v Speaker 2>poor tailor, and it's revolutionary because they chose each other

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't go through the matchmaker. The second one chooses

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<v Speaker 2>a like Bolshevik revolutionist and you know, an outsider from Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's an even bigger deal. And then the last

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<v Speaker 2>one marries someone who's not even Jewish and ends up

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<v Speaker 2>like devastatingly getting disowned by her like the whole Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Act two, so sad, Act one ends on

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<v Speaker 2>a pogrom like it's it's really really not the happy

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<v Speaker 2>musical that you would think it is. If all you

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<v Speaker 2>knew is the song if I were a rich man

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<v Speaker 2>or a tradition at the beginning, Do you remember that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So that's the basic.

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<v Speaker 2>Premise, and it's this man in his traditional ways coming

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<v Speaker 2>or trying to come to terms with the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>his daughters are all becoming progressively more removed from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I were going to write a modern day

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<v Speaker 2>Fiddler on the Roof for an Evangelical Christian family, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be the first child like lives with their fiance

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<v Speaker 2>before they're married, and the parents have to deal with that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the second child marries like somebody from a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty different denomination, right, like going from I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>any denominations.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I mean, like Protestant, Catholic or

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<v Speaker 1>you know something like that, Yeah, within Protestanty, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, but like denominations that don't play well but still

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<v Speaker 2>fall under the cris believe in Jesus, right, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the last one, like Mary's an atheist and like disowns

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<v Speaker 2>the church. Like that's the progression that Tevia is going

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<v Speaker 2>through as he's watching his daughters at this specific point

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<v Speaker 2>in history. Right in the middle of actbun we get

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<v Speaker 2>this beautifully happy if I were a rich man song,

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<v Speaker 2>which again on the surface, sounds like a funny man

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<v Speaker 2>singing about wanting to be wealthy. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take it and go like deeper and deeper and deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into it and see how this is actually the most

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<v Speaker 2>profound template for prayer that I have ever found outside

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<v Speaker 2>the Book of Psalms or outside the Lord's.

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<v Speaker 1>Prayer or anything in the New Testament.

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<v Speaker 2>So it starts off with the very basic if I

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<v Speaker 2>were a rich man all day long, night, bitty bitty

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<v Speaker 2>bomb like. Basically, the scene is he's feeding all his

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<v Speaker 2>chicken and cows, and he's working really hard, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of singing to himself about being a rich friend.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the other thing I love about Teba, the

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<v Speaker 2>main character. He is always talking to God in the

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<v Speaker 2>most conversational style that I have ever heard anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Speak to the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, I know that Tebbe is not a real person,

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<v Speaker 2>but I from now on he's He's real in my heart,

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<v Speaker 2>so bear with me. He just talks to God. And

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<v Speaker 2>so he starts off the song and says, Dear God,

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<v Speaker 2>you made many many poor people. I realize, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's no shame to be poor, but it's no

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<v Speaker 2>great honor either, So what would have been so terrible

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<v Speaker 2>if I had a small fortune? And throughout the entire

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<v Speaker 2>show we see him just having these kinds of conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with God. Something pops into his mind and he says

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<v Speaker 2>it to the Lord, and so a I just like

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<v Speaker 2>that aspect about Teba, about being more conversational in prayer

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<v Speaker 2>than most of us feel the free them to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to go specifically into if I were

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<v Speaker 2>a Richmond, because most of us would have lots of

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<v Speaker 2>gut checks and qualms and icky feelings about our very

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<v Speaker 2>first prayer of the day being God, I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to have more money, and I am probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>say rightly so like that truly shouldn't be the driving

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<v Speaker 2>factor for any of us. Like there is enough in

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<v Speaker 2>the Book of Proverbs alone to lead us to understand

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<v Speaker 2>that money is not the most important thing in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and the love of money can lead to all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of terrible things. I love my grandma's quote about money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I told you that she said it to

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<v Speaker 2>me just in the past couple of years. She says,

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<v Speaker 2>money isn't everything, but sometimes it sure can help. And

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<v Speaker 2>she was talking about it in the context of having

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<v Speaker 2>long term disability insurance because she wasn't sure if eventually

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<v Speaker 2>she was going to need it, but she knew that

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<v Speaker 2>if she did need it, that she would probably be

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of it. So it's like, you know, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>money isn't everything, but it can help sometimes. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>is it a sin to pray for more money?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start there, my knee jerk reaction, having not thought

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<v Speaker 1>through all of the theological and you know whatever, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say No. Number one, if you're thinking it and

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<v Speaker 1>prayer is a conversation, I don't see why you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it in the presence of God. If you're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>to yourself, and you know Jesus says give us this

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<v Speaker 1>day our daily bread, which can translate to if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have money for your daily bread, then why would

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<v Speaker 1>you not pray that God would provide that, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a want and not a need. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>I sure could use a cushion so that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>so anxious all the time and so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I could be more present for my family or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you mean like a financial cushion. I was fixturing

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to buy yourself a little throw pillow so

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<v Speaker 2>that you didn't feel so anxious.

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<v Speaker 1>Filled with money. Yeah, what kind of throw pillow is this?

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<v Speaker 1>And where do I get one? Okay, this will be

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<v Speaker 1>another one of our praying Christian women trademarked and patented. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the pillow that anti anxiety pillow. No a cushion like

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<v Speaker 1>to a cushion of money, like more financial cushion, financial cushion,

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<v Speaker 1>just like not paycheck to paycheck that we have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>read whatever. So I still see no problem with bringing

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<v Speaker 1>that to God. And I think if you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>James it says you ask and you do not receive

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<v Speaker 1>because you ask with impure motive, with selfish motives that

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<v Speaker 1>you can spend, you know, frivolously. So I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>why we shouldn't at least bring our desires to God,

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<v Speaker 1>if for no other reason than to put it under

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<v Speaker 1>the authority of truth and say, God, this is how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling, this is what I want, and maybe to

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<v Speaker 1>even just be like, if this isn't serving me well,

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<v Speaker 1>to be focused on this, then help change my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there can be different motives at the

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<v Speaker 1>core of asking for more money, and so you have

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<v Speaker 1>to look at that too, like are you asking for

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<v Speaker 1>more money so that you can be more generous or

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<v Speaker 1>help someone or help your family to achieve something that

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<v Speaker 1>is important to them or to you. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, you could be manipulative in your prayers

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<v Speaker 1>about money and say, you know, like oh well, Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey says that I'm going to, you know, get money.

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<v Speaker 1>Like his whole stick is you get so you can get.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's great. But I could see myself

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<v Speaker 1>convincing myself that it's fine to amass lots of resources

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<v Speaker 1>and just so I can give and then end up giving,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe a lot, but still saving and getting.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's where you where do you put

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<v Speaker 1>your security? Is your security coming from that money? Or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could look at give us this day

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<v Speaker 1>or daily bread as give us just what we need

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<v Speaker 1>right now, so that we don't get too dependent on

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<v Speaker 1>money for security, and we remember from whom our help comes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I basically just threw a bunch of spaghetti at

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, and you guys can decide.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd love to all of your spaghetti. It was delicious, yeall.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Tavia says, even at the beginning, I realize

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<v Speaker 2>it's no shame to be poor, but it's no great

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<v Speaker 2>honor either, it reminds you of what Paul says. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>I have learned the secret of being content in any

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<v Speaker 2>in every situation, whether well fed or hungry. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>no great sin to be poor. It's no great shame

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<v Speaker 2>to be poor, it's no great sin to be rich.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no great shame to be rich. It is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. And so hey, I love Tavia's reminder that

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<v Speaker 2>like money is money, Like it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>more loaded than that, right, But we attach.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm like, what did I pun? Yes, but we

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<v Speaker 1>attach so much to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think something of that is because we get

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<v Speaker 2>mixed messages in the Christian community. We get messages of

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<v Speaker 2>you can only have a certain amount of money because

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<v Speaker 2>it says give us to stay our daily bread. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say give us a stay our retirement bread. But

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<v Speaker 2>we also get we are generous so that God will

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<v Speaker 2>be generous to us. And then we also get it's

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<v Speaker 2>more virtuous to be poor because Jesus was poor. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>we get a lot of mixed messages, and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of that gets tied up in the American dream and

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, like there is so much corporateness that

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<v Speaker 2>is part of Western churches today and you can't wead

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<v Speaker 2>that out. Just it is, you know, in the same

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<v Speaker 2>way to like you go to church and you breathe

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<v Speaker 2>oxygen because oxygen is in the Air's like you go

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<v Speaker 2>to church and you breathe corporate capitalistic ideas, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the society that at least you and I are in,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of our listeners are in.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, so it is, it's just there.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that's one of the takeaways we

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<v Speaker 2>get from Tevia, Like he's praying about money because money

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<v Speaker 2>is on his mind and that's literally all that it

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<v Speaker 2>has to be. So I loved what you said, is like,

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<v Speaker 2>is it wrong for money to be the primary thing

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<v Speaker 2>you want in life? It probably is, but it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>just as bad, and it's definitely no better to have

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<v Speaker 2>money be your primary motivation and then go to God

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<v Speaker 2>and pretend like it's not. And So what is so

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<v Speaker 2>refreshing and beautiful about Tavia in the entire musical, but

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the song, is like there's no pretense, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants money, and so he's not ashamed to come

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<v Speaker 2>to God and say I want money. And let's be

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<v Speaker 2>honest here, Like Tavia is not wrong to want more

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<v Speaker 2>than he has, Like it is he is a poor

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<v Speaker 2>dairy farmer with a crippled horse and can't make his

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<v Speaker 2>deliveries and he's got five daughters to feed and find

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<v Speaker 2>dowries for like he does not He literally does not

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<v Speaker 2>have as much as he needs to have.

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<v Speaker 1>What he needs.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I know that was redundant, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>did that deliberately. And here's something I think, especially for

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<v Speaker 2>women and moms, we have such an innate drive to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that our families are provided for. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>that is a core need of ours to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that our families feel safe and secure. But we're also

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<v Speaker 2>told from a lot of areas that it's wrong to

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<v Speaker 2>pray for material things or it's wrong to put your

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<v Speaker 2>trust in material things. And yes, it is wrong to

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<v Speaker 2>trust in your riches over God, but it's not wrong

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<v Speaker 2>to once to know that your family's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be hungry next week. It's not wrong to want to

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<v Speaker 2>know that you can afford to get your child's shoes

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<v Speaker 2>for the school year. And so I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>specifically to the mom or the grandma or whoever's listening,

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<v Speaker 2>who who is so caught up in that fear that

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<v Speaker 2>you are shaming yourself for not having what you need

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<v Speaker 2>and then feeling bad that you're praying about not having

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you need. As women, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>know that our loved ones are taken care of. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that we need every single thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But if your child needs shoes for school and you

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<v Speaker 2>do not know where money for their shoes for school

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<v Speaker 2>is going to come from, it is not wrong for

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<v Speaker 2>you to feel that in the core of your good

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<v Speaker 2>If you look in the fridge and you are concerned

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<v Speaker 2>because you just don't have enough nutritious stuff to give

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<v Speaker 2>yourself an your family, you are not being sinful for

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<v Speaker 2>worrying about that. Or if you're looking at your bank

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<v Speaker 2>account and you don't know how things are going to

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<v Speaker 2>get taken care of, it is not wrong for you

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize that you are in hard financial times and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a hard economy, and so I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>this is sinking in. Like as women, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>something to be ashamed of. This is something to celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>because we were designed to make sure that our loved

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<v Speaker 2>ones are provided for and so when that's not happening,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to feel that unease. And what I

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<v Speaker 2>love about Tedbia going back to if I were a

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<v Speaker 2>rich man, he has no shame coming to God saying God,

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<v Speaker 2>I want a small fortune. Okay, he's starting with where

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<v Speaker 2>he is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone, now drop to your knees and pray these magic words,

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<v Speaker 2>and God's going to give you a small fortune, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let's go ahead and make it a big fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not after that. What we're after is be one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent honest and transparent with God with exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>you are. And if that means you say, God, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>terrified that we're not gonna be housed next year, you

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<v Speaker 2>start there. If it's God, I'm really sad that I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't go on this luxury vacation that I go on

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<v Speaker 2>every year, but I'm also feeling guilty for feeling bad

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You start there.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's I'm really, really really really really want to

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<v Speaker 2>get this promotion because I've worked super hard for it

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<v Speaker 2>and I really want this addition to my paycheck.

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<v Speaker 1>You start there.

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<v Speaker 2>But none of us are going to end where we

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<v Speaker 2>start in our prayer, and I think that's another message.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go to VERSU. He starts with, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be a rich man. I don't want to work

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<v Speaker 2>hard all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a bitty bitty bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's his surface, that's just he's starting with exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where he is. He says, I'd build a big, tall

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<v Speaker 2>house with rooms by the dozen, right in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the town, a fine tin roof with real wooden floors.

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<v Speaker 2>Below there would be one long staircase just going up

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<v Speaker 2>and one even longer coming down. More leading nowhere just

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<v Speaker 2>for show. Okay, on the surface, we see a man

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<v Speaker 2>with very frivolous wants and desires. And so now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have you do what I did with the

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<v Speaker 2>middle schoolers, not to be condescending to you, but just

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a really cool exercise. How far can

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<v Speaker 2>you take this? Because not all of us want a

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<v Speaker 2>house with one staircase going up and one going down

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<v Speaker 2>and one just for show. So how how many steps

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<v Speaker 2>can we get until we hit on a universal desire

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<v Speaker 2>that ninety percent or more of us are going to

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<v Speaker 2>relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think he wants to be able to have

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<v Speaker 1>nice things, And to me, the just for show makes

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<v Speaker 1>me think that he wants to have something he can

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<v Speaker 1>take pride in and something that he can just be

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<v Speaker 1>proud of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sometimes there is a reason for beauty. It

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<v Speaker 2>took me a long time to realize, but that's what

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<v Speaker 2>having houseplants has taught me, Because I grew up so

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<v Speaker 2>stoic that anything that didn't have a very precise function

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<v Speaker 2>was a waste of time and money and energy. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I literally got into houseplants when I learned that

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<v Speaker 2>they cleaned the air. That gave me permission to have

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<v Speaker 2>them because they were serving a purpose. Now I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>to appreciate them because they are beautiful additions to my

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<v Speaker 2>space and learning to be okay with that. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like does our sanctuary and I'm guilty of this.

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<v Speaker 2>We have this little spot in our church's sanctuary where

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<v Speaker 2>we can hang like a little banner, and there were

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 2>some people in the church who take a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>joy out of changing that banner from season to season,

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<v Speaker 2>or having it matched the fake flowers on the centerpiece

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<v Speaker 2>or things like that. Have I in the past rolled

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes a little bit about it?

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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I, at least on a lodge level, recognize that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a place for something to be beautiful just

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<v Speaker 2>because it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Yeah. Look at Solomon's Temple and the care and

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the the artisans, everything that went into

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<v Speaker 1>that to just make it beautiful for the glory of God,

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<v Speaker 1>just for beauty's sake, and I'm that way. I was

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<v Speaker 1>always very much like, I'll put time into a vegetable garden,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want flowers, Like why would I want flowers?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, over the years, I've started to understand more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of that way about fashion. I don't personally

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<v Speaker 1>have many fashionable clothes or any but I can appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the artistic expression of fashion on a cerebral level where

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<v Speaker 1>I can see, you know what, that's somebody's expression of

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<v Speaker 1>beauty and why not like that's okay? And I used

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little stoic about that, like a T

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<v Speaker 1>shirt and gene like, mom, why do I have to

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<v Speaker 1>even like brush my hair? And now my daughter, who

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a hound to brush her hair, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>totally getting it back, but it's hilarious. Same with hair

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<v Speaker 1>styles and extensive makeup, Like I don't do either of

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<v Speaker 1>that really, and you know, but I can totally appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the value in beautiful things.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, this was driven home to me when we

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<v Speaker 2>did our Proverbs thirty one study. That was honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>think my biggest or one of my biggest takeaways. We

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<v Speaker 2>did a whole mini series on how does the proverb

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one woman pray. And I realized how much baggage

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I carry about things that are seen as frivolous, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and how how silly it is to like who cares

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 2>if someone chooses to put lipstick on before church or not?

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Like that's that's her and God. And yeah, some people

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:55.959
<v Speaker 2>are doing it for right reasons. Some people are doing

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>it from habits. Some people are abstaining for por like

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 2>who cares? It's like it's like what color socks am

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I going to wear? It literally does not have to

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>have any bearing on your life, but if it does,

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>then whatever you do, do it for the glory of good.

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think that again, as women, just like we

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<v Speaker 2>were designed to protect our homes, were designed to bring

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of peace and common beauty to our homes.

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 2>And some of us do that in one way, some

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.640
<v Speaker 2>of us do it in another way. And I think

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of women, especially in the church, get shamed

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>for wanting to have a beautiful space. I remember being

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 2>part of a church that had just built its first building,

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 2>and in a way they did it well, but in

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>a way they also poo pooed it, like they had

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 2>a decorating committee and they recognized, like they say that

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 2>we want you ladies to make our church beautiful.

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>But there was also a little.

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>Bit of kind of like jostling and teasing and like

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<v Speaker 2>you do the pretty you do the pretty work, and

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>we'll get the roof on, do you know what I mean?

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>There was a little bit of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, And why can't we have both? Like Teva wants

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>a big tall house with a real tin roof, fanty

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>ones a frivolous staircase for no reason whatsoever. But here's

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>what I'm also saying about Tevia. He still is being

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a little frivolous here. But we can go and we

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>can ask ourselves. Okay, but what does he really really want?

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Because I think sometimes with prayer, we don't even know

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>the prayer behind the prayer till we start pray. And

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Teva is just scratching the surface still. But could you

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>read the next part about the yard with chicks and turkeys.

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which rings hits home for you right with your knee. Chickens.

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>We just got some meat birds.

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>It's been really fun.

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>We haven't had chickens in like five to eight years.

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a long time into it. I'd fill my yard

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.479
<v Speaker 1>with chicks and turkeys and geese and ducks for the

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>town to see in here squawking just as as they can,

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and each loud of the ghee be it gao, be

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it ge ga.

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 2>He makes really weird noises.

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm not going to do that for you guys.

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Not doing it would land like a trumpet on the ear,

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>as if to say, here lives a wealthy man. Ah.

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's dissect this one. So he wants

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>lots of animals, he wants his farm to be full.

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 2>We have, on the one hand, the food security and

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>living in Alaska, living in rural Alaska, living around people

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>who have always lived a subsistence lifestyle. I understand what

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>food security means more than I ever did, back when

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you just drove yourself to a store and got your groceries.

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Food security is just knowing that if you don't get

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to town for three weeks for this side or the

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>other reason, you're still going to have enough to eat.

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>And so on the one hand, there's the only more

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>universal desire is probably for water and I guess oxygen

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 2>than food, you know. So he's hitting on that, But

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:15.479
<v Speaker 2>he's also hitting on another motivation that most of us

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>would shy away from admitting to ourselves, or to each other,

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>or to God. He says he wants all of the

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>squawkings to land like a trumpet on the ear, as

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>if to say, here lives a wealthy man. He does

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>want the sign of wealth. So in our culture, for

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, that's the car, or that's the

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>fancy per So those are the first thing that come

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to my mind. Can you think of any others?

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the cars and purses are the biggest ones.

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>It used to be watches, and I think in certain

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 2>circles of I but you know, we all get our

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>we all get our time from our phones.

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, watches, you know, gadgets, Yeah, the newest smartphone, although

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>everyone kind of has sort of the same phones. Like

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like, I mean know, there's a spectrum,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I think yeah probably and maybe just like

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I know in our neighborhood, a lot of people are

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>meticulous about their yards. And that doesn't mean you're wealthy,

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's like it's another pride thing. Yeah, it's taking

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>care a sign of wealth, but it's like it's like

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>a pride thing. And I see that with the you know,

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>one more staircase leading nowhere just for show, and you know,

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>those ideas of just wanting it to be more than

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>just comfort for his family, but wanting other people to know.

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>So that to me says I want to be respected, Like, yes,

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I want, And as we see later it's not necessarily

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>like respected for how hard Well maybe it is. He's

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>later on he talks about, you know, not having to work,

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.479
<v Speaker 1>but like maybe he wants people to say all of

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>his hard work and maybe he wants to know even

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>for himself, like all of this hard work has gone

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>for something. Yeah.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's why we've said for like, there needs

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>to be a word for pride, and there needs to

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>be a word for pride, and one of them needs

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>to be the thing that we're very quick to run

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 2>away from, and the other should be something that we

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>can either accept and embrace or at the very least

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>be ambivalent about.

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm proud of my children.

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not worried that God's going to smite me for

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 2>being proud of my kids, and I hope you aren't either.

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>So there are certain scenarios where we understand that pride

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to be good, you know, like if you

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>have a three year old who's just learned how to

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>do something, you know, tricky. Maybe they've just learned how

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>to write the first letter of their name or something like.

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to feel proud of them, and you're supposed

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>to help them to feel proud of themselves. But then

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 2>somehow it gets so complicated, just like money, it gets

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>so into well, don't pride is a sin? Well, yes,

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>there is a pride that is a sin, and then

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>there is a pride that is actually a really good

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>thing to have in yourself, you know, like taking pride

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 2>in your lawn. That could be a sin, That could

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 2>be a really wise way to steward what God has

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>given you. And it all comes down to what's in

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>your heart. But yeah, so I think here we have

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to have. He definitely is is not too stoic sainthood

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>on our litmus test of how pure are his motivations,

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>But he is so honest and he's touching a little.

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he's getting deeper at the very surface. He

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>just didn't want to have to work as hard as

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>he does. The next level is he wants to be

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>respected by people. And I think we can call that

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>a universal desire that.

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>At its core is not wrong. It is not wrong

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to wants to be respected.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, it's wrong to want to be like worshiped or

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>envied or things like that, but it's not wrong to

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>want your dignity as a human being to be acknowledged

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>in the same way that you acknowledge the dignity.

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Of other human beings.

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, there's just sort of a universal human respect that

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe is innate that if we are not receiving it,

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 2>we do feel a lac and tevia. Being in a

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Jewish community where there is persecution and being one of

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the poorest members of that community, he isn't getting and

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>he's a very henpecked husband. He's not getting the respect

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>that universally a human deserves. His first way of knowing

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>how to express that is saying, I want a great, big,

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>long staircase going up right, just like you know the

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>middle aged man their first I need the sports car. Okay,

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>but what's deeper than that, and then what's deeper than that?

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>And then what's deeper than that is I want the

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>respect that I am owed just because of the fact

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>that I am a human being who is creating in

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>God's image, and you can't fault somebody for knowing that

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>because I am a human being and because I'm a

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>child of God, I deserve the baseline level.

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Of respect that every human deserves.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Then we go down to he talks about his wife.

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>He says, I see my wife, my goldie, looking like

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>a rich man's wife with a proper double chin. And

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I love this.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I love that line.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>That is so funny. Supervising meals to her heart's delight.

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I see you're putting on airs and strutting like a peacock.

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh what a happy mood she's in, screaming at the

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>servants day and night. Okay, so if you want to

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>put on your super super judgy Christian hat, tell me

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>everything that's wrong with Tevy's motivations from this. From this verse,

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>he is.

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Praying for excess and gluttony to the point that she's

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, has more weight than she needs, which to

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>him symbolize is prosperity, and supervising meals putting on airs. Again,

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the word pride comes to mind. Strutting like a peacock,

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, being happy herself and yet screaming

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>at the servants and making them feel small.

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Not very christ like that part especially. I don't like

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>that last light. Yeah, but we can if we want

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to be very gracious towards Tevia. I mean, hey, we're

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>starting with you know what, Teva, you are where you are,

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>so go ahead and tell God where you are. And

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't censor it. So that's good enough. But other

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>than the screaming at the servants, which we don't want

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 2>to get behind, I think there is a sense kind

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>of like what we talked about with mothers wanting to

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 2>know that your family's taken care of. There is a

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>sense of just wanting to know that your loved ones

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>are provided for. And so if we want to go

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 2>to his deeper motivation and maybe try to hit on

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the universal motivations, it's I don't want my loved ones

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 2>to worry, you know, Like I don't know how well

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>you remember Goldie the musical, but she's a nag and

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>she's a worry wart and she's always hounding him and

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>he loves her to death and it's actually like it's

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>really really beautiful and sweet and cute, and he wants

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>her to be happy. And in his mind, what's going

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to make Goldie happy is being fat and having a

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of servants to yell at. Now, is that truly

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 2>what's gonna make Goldie happy? No, but that is just

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>his most uncensored first knee jerk reaction to this universal

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>motivation of I want the woman that I love more

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:47.720
<v Speaker 2>than anything in the world to be happy. So again,

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>just like all the other verses, we are getting the

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>uncensored tuba. And then we can just shave a sight,

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>a tiny, tiny bit and hit the layer that has

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>no sinfulness, no sense elfishness to whatsoever. And that is

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 2>just this universal God given desire to see your loved

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 2>ones happily provided for. Like even John in one of

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>his epistles, he says, I have no greater joy than

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 2>that my children are walking in the truth. Like, what

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>is going to make you and me more happy as

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>we get older. It's just knowing that our kids are

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>are fine and well, Like if I know that. Okay,

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 2>So here's another thing. I was asking myself, you know

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.240
<v Speaker 2>how we were talking about I want songs.

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I was going through my entire Broadway repertoire, and I

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>was being like, out of all these beautiful because they're

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 2>usually very belty, they're usually like Dawn from the gut.

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to see what is my life's I

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 2>want song? And what I realized was it's the song

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I might get teary like, it's a song that Goldie

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.359
<v Speaker 2>sings to her daughter's or Sabbath prayer. She just wants

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>them happy, Yeah, and she just wants them to be

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>well taken care of, and she just wants them to

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>be Okay, that is an like, that's not a selfish

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.800
<v Speaker 2>desire to have for your loved ones.

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.879
<v Speaker 1>No, okay, let's go to the next verse.

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Can you read it about the most important men in town?

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Before we do that, can I say one more

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>thing about this last part. I feel like Tevia is

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.720
<v Speaker 1>like he probably sees her hard work and this idea

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of her yelling at servants. I picture him picturing her

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:33.879
<v Speaker 1>yelling at him, and he still loves her. He knows

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.919
<v Speaker 1>that she loves him. He's just her way, and so

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like maybe it's like her yelling at the

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>servants and kind of just her personality. But she has

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.919
<v Speaker 1>servants to yell to, so she can rest, she can

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>look beautiful, she can feel good about herself. She can

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, take a load off and just enjoy life.

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<v Speaker 1>For a little bit. I think that's kind of the

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.799
<v Speaker 1>core of that desire there, instead of it being you know,

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 1>exactly whipping the servants. But anyway, okay, so we are next.

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>The most important men in town would come to fawn

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>on me. They would ask me to advise them, like

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a solemnon the wise, if you please, rebteva, pardon me

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 1>rebteva posing problems that would cross a rabbi's eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're getting even deeper to the respect. He's gone

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 2>from provision to respect. And I'm sure if we were

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>sociologists we could even like transpose these onto that like

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 2>mass love, hierarchy or whatever it's called. You know what

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like, once your basic needs for food and

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>water and shelter are taken care of, you want that respect,

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 2>You want that belonging. Now, yes, if I want to

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 2>put on my really really judgie Christian hat, I'm going

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:53.479
<v Speaker 2>to look at him and wag my finger at him

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 2>for not knowing that he is loved by God no

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 2>matter what other people think of him. But when I

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 2>put on my gracious hat and Teba, you're in every

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>man hat, I say, yeah, we all want respect. And

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>then you think about his history being a Jew in

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 2>a region that gets regular programs, being one of the

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>poorest in your town, having a wife who nags you incessantly,

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 2>and you can see this craving for respect is not selfish.

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think this is the first verse where I

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.720
<v Speaker 2>don't even think we have to scratch off a layer

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>to get to the pure, nonsinful, uncensored Teba motivation. Some

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 2>people might disagree a little bit. Some people are going

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 2>to say, well, you should be so secure in who

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>you are in Christ that you don't need the esteem

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of others. But honestly, I think that could be a

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.879
<v Speaker 2>little prideful. It's almost like I don't need what every

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 2>single human actually does need, which is community. Like if

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't like the word respect, if that feels too

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>close to pride, just community and belonging. Please don't be

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 2>so arrogant to think that you don't need that.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean you could maybe it's a stretch,

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>but you could take it a layer deeper and say,

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe he wants to contribute in a way that goes

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>beyond just his provision. Like I wan't agree. Wise, I

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>want to be able to advise people and make a

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>difference on a community level. And not just you know,

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 1>pluging a way to just put food on the table. Exactly.

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 2>He has the heart of a scholar living the life

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 2>of a really hard working farmer who never gets a

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 2>day off. And that takes us to the very last verse,

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.879
<v Speaker 2>which is where we get his complete uncensored like, this

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>is the true Tavia. If I were rich, I'd have

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the time that I lack to sit in the synagogue

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>and pray and maybe have a seat by the eastern wall.

0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I discuss holy books with the learned men several hours

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:03.439
<v Speaker 2>every day, and that would be the sweetest thing of all.

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is cool.

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 2>And so what I love is most of us would

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 2>force ourselves to start our prayer with that pure motivation.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>We would say, God, please give me money so I

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 2>can be generous. We wouldn't start with I really want

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 2>money so my wife can be fat and so I

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 2>can have a frivolous staircase. But Teeda starts exactly where

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>he is, and with each verse he peels back a

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>layer and becomes reveals more of his actual motivation until

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>you get to something that is so pure and so beautiful.

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>That's the real Like this is the prayer behind the

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 2>prayer he wants money so that he has time to

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 2>pray and study the Bible, and he says that would

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 2>be the sweetest gift of all. But to get to

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>that part of his prayer, he started with wanting to

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>not have to work hard, And he started with wanting

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 2>a wife who's free to yell at his servants, and

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>to have a bunch of chickens who are so loud

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 2>that they're squawking, so that the whole town knows that

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 2>he's rich, you know, And so I love the progression.

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>It shows how if you start censored, you're never going

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 2>to get.

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 1>As real with the Lord as Tevo Gott.

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 2>If you start with, Dear God, please help me to

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>have more money so that I can be more generous,

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 2>there's nowhere to go from there. If you start with God,

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I am so stressed out about money right now. I

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.919
<v Speaker 2>just need two weeks where I don't have to worry

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 2>about bills. I just need, like I need a job

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>where I know that if my kid got sick, I

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>could take a few days off and not have to

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 2>not be able to make my utilities. Like, you start

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>where you are, and then you can get to like

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the true center. But if you try to censor right

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning, You're never going to get there.

0:43:56.280 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 1>And also you miss out on true relationship. It's kind

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 1>of like the difference between pouring your heart out to

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>your best friend over coffee and standing at a Miss

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>America pageant saying your deepest desire is for world peace.

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, like you're losing a lot of relationship. So

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>what stands out to you from this the most? The

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>last segment that's really sometimes I think, like when I'm

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 1>not even necessarily financially, but like in a place where

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:39.360
<v Speaker 1>i feel like I'm so tied up with practicalities or

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>so worried about a certain thing that I'm not able to,

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't have the energy to pray. I don't have

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 1>that space. I think about that sometimes when I'm not

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in those situations and I do have that time in

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 1>that space, I feel very privileged because I think there

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>are some people who don't have the time and space

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to pray right now, and to not that you can't

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>pray on the fly and incorporate it into parts but meditation.

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>He's talking about sitting in the synagogue and praying. He's

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about sitting by the Eastern wall. Is that the

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 1>whaling wall or I guess the Eastern So that's what

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I was wondering. I don't know, but basically the two

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>to sit in God's presence and just even to contemplate.

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just I think a lot of times

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>about how philosophy feels like it's dying because people are

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:46.200
<v Speaker 1>so busy with doing and just even the time, you know,

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to sit and think and be and listen. So that's

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 1>that's that. I didn't read ahead. So that took me

0:45:55.280 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 1>by surprise. Yeah, I was taking section at time, and yeah,

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>so that really took me by surprise. Yeah.

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I would say some of the takeaways be

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 2>as candid with God, Like, be painfully candid with God,

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and He already knows where you're at anyway, So don't

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 2>try to put on a better face. Don't be the

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>person on the first day trying to be ten times

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 2>more impressive than you are, Like, be genuinely who you

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>are because God already knows. And then trust that the

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>more you pray through an issue, the more you're going. Like,

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>don't be afraid of praying superficially, because God can take

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>what starts as a superficial prayer and reveal some of

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the deepest desires of your heart. So I would say

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 2>even listener homework aside from everyone going out and watching

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 2>at least the first act I've fen lare on the roof. Yeah,

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 2>this would be like, take a desire you have, even like,

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>tell me if you want to. I'll tell you the assignment.

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Then you tell me if you want to do it

0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 2>on the air. Candidly, take a desire that you feel

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 2>is almost frivolous, like maybe something you'd be a teeny

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>tiny bit embarrassed to admit to, you know, the person

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>werrying that Judgie Christian hat. And then ask yourself, what's

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 2>my desire behind that desire or my prayer behind the prayer,

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and see if you can strip it away to something

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 2>that is just as genuine and beautiful as at last

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 2>verse if I were a rich man.

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll be very candid. Yes, we went camping this

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>weekend with some friends and everyone was wearing bathing suits

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 1>and I was wearing a bathing suit and I had

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.400
<v Speaker 1>like a cover thing that was pretty modest that covered

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 1>is you know more, And I was thinking, I don't

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 1>like I just didn't feel comfortable in a bathing suit

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:50.360
<v Speaker 1>because I've put on extra pounds and I am so yeah,

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.799
<v Speaker 1>So my thought was I want to look good in

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>a bathing suit?

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 2>And did you feel guilty for having that thought? Like

0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 2>did you shame yourself for thinking that? Kind of because

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I a lot of women would sure, because.

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>The first thing that comes to mind is, well, who's

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it for? You know? Is it for you know, you

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 1>try and impress other people or you know? But and

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>also because you know, I'm not morbidly obese or anything,

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 1>but everything is shifted and I just and the core

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I would say, like number one, some of it is superficial.

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Some of it is just being superficial, but very superficial.

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's start there. Superficial. I want to look good because

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I want to. I guess I want when other people

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:40.840
<v Speaker 1>look at me, I want them to think that I'm healthy,

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not healthy, care of yourself, making care of myself,

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 1>thank you, because healthy isn't the word that that I

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 1>take care of myself. And maybe I equate being in

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>shape with people perceiving that I'm motivated or like.

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:02.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's that idea of product activity productive. Yes, yeah, yeah,

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>that is somehow like morally superior.

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and then you know, a layer below that is, yes,

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to be healthy. I know what it feels

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>like to be in the habit of working out, to

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:20.280
<v Speaker 1>be in you know, to basically be in a place

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 1>where I feel strong and where I look strong, and

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I miss that. I look back a little bit and think, yeah,

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to look strong. I want to feel strong

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 1>because I had more energy, because I was able to

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 1>do more things without getting out of breath or without

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, needing help to do it. So and then

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.879
<v Speaker 1>and then there is the health thing too, That's that's

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 1>part of it. But I will say, you know, I

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely do I look at fitness now differently. I know

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be a supermodel in a bathing

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:56.840
<v Speaker 1>suit anymore. But I want to be healthy and I

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.800
<v Speaker 1>want my brain to be healthy, and I want my

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>muscles to be strong. I want my bones not to

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 1>atrophy from osteoporosis. I want, you know, I want to

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:11.359
<v Speaker 1>live long and be useful and productive and active and

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>be able to have fun. Yeah.

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 2>And also what I'm hearing from you, especially knowing your

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.759
<v Speaker 2>family history, as I'm hearing you not wanting to be

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>somebody that's going to be difficult on your family. Right,

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.080
<v Speaker 2>if you want to be able to take care of yourself,

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:30.439
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to decay and have to burden your

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 2>husband or your kids or your best friend. Slash co hosts,

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.600
<v Speaker 2>come and take care of you, right, Seriously, I'll volunteer

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 2>to do if you ever need it. But yeah, but

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>if you look at it in that sense, there's no

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:49.359
<v Speaker 2>shame in that whatsoever. Yeah, that's a beautiful thing. I

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>want my body to last so that I can keep

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 2>serving the people I love for as long as I'm alive.

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll put an amen to that without having to add

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>any qualifications to it. And if you hadn't allowed yourself

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 2>to start with I want to feel better in a

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 2>bathing suit, or even I want to look better in

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a bathing suit, you would have ever gotten to that.

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And it's very probable that there's even deeper levels that

0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.840
<v Speaker 2>haven't popped out of that yet that you're gonna find

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 2>even more so. So, Yeah, that's an exercise that I

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 2>recommend everybody try, specifically for those desires that feel frivolous

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>or something that you're embarrassed to admit, or that you

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 2>think God is going to be mad at you for

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:39.919
<v Speaker 2>wanting and just remember our beautiful friend Teva. I will

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 2>close with my one of my I have so many

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:47.200
<v Speaker 2>beautiful Filler on the Roof memories. It's actually the DVD

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 2>because this was back in DVDs. Not only that, I

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<v Speaker 2>had the Fiddler on the Roof vinyl record when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid, and it was one of the only

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<v Speaker 2>records that I would go downstairs because that's where our

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<v Speaker 2>record player was and I would put it on, but

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<v Speaker 2>we had the DVD. I don't think it was weird,

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<v Speaker 2>just I think it was DVD. And I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>with contractions for baby number two, and this was our

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<v Speaker 2>baby where the labor got really prolonged and difficult, but

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know it at the time. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to wake up my husband because I didn't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was the real thing yet. So I sat up

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<v Speaker 2>watching Fiddler on the Roof just counting contractions. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful, beautiful show means a lot to be But

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<v Speaker 2>aside from those, another favorite memory of mine is we

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<v Speaker 2>got to take my niece to see a live stage

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<v Speaker 2>version of it when she was probably like just six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven, early elementary age. And there's a scene at

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<v Speaker 2>s Daughter number two who's falling in love with the

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary that she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not supposed to fall in love with.

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<v Speaker 2>And they do this like cute little jig dance, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they have the moment where their like their faces

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty close and they're staring into each other's eyes

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, you know, they're about to kiss before

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<v Speaker 2>they get interrupted. So they're standing here pause their faces,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like two inches away from each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, there's probably at least a couple hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people in the audience. It was a decent size theater.

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<v Speaker 2>My niece loud enough for everybody, even the actors to hear, says,

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<v Speaker 2>uh oh. She could follow enough with the story to

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<v Speaker 2>understand that those two weren't supposed to they weren't supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be together.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so cute. At least you knew she was

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention. I know, very cute. So please go watch Fiddler.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't bother with the second act of It's Too Sad

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<v Speaker 2>for You, or at least put on the soundtrack. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope I will not apologize if people get if I

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<v Speaker 2>were a rich fan in your head for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. It is fun and catchy, but so

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<v Speaker 2>much more profound than you think of when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>it just on its surface.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. We'd like to take just a quick

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