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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Praying Christian Women podcast. I

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Speaker 2: am Milana here with Jamie. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Doing great? How are you good?

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Speaker 2: I am very excited. We are taking a short break

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Speaker 2: from Witches and doing a complete one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: degree turn. We're going to Broadway, which everybody knows if

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Speaker 2: you've listened for a little bit at least. I always

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Speaker 2: will go back to Broadway eventually. So let me tell

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Speaker 2: you the story behind why I wanted to cover this

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Speaker 2: topic slash song to day. So I was subbing for

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Speaker 2: middle school English for the last week of school and

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Speaker 2: it was an unexpected departure from their normal teacher, so

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Speaker 2: I didn't have sub plans, so I just kind of

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Speaker 2: So one day we talked about character motivation and we

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Speaker 2: talked about I want songs. Is that a phrase you're

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Speaker 2: familiar with in like musical theater or Disney lingo?

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Speaker 1: No, I have never heard of that.

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Speaker 2: It was a really fun lesson to do with the kids.

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Speaker 2: So basically, an I want song, especially if you think

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Speaker 2: about Disney movies, but almost every musical has what it's

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Speaker 2: called an I want song, and this is where the

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Speaker 2: character sings their motivation and usually comes toward the beginning,

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Speaker 2: and it tells you like their driving desire. So really

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Speaker 2: common ones like in The Lion King we have I

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Speaker 2: just can't wait to be King, or Moana has her

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Speaker 2: really beautiful song how Far I'll go about, how she

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Speaker 2: longs for the ocean entangled. She's got the song when

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Speaker 2: will my Life Begin? Because she just wants something to

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Speaker 2: happen in her life. Belle sings, I want so much

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Speaker 2: more than this provincial life. So every Disney movie and

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Speaker 2: just about every musical that has singing in it, the

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Speaker 2: main character gets what's called an I Want song. And

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Speaker 2: what we were doing in class is we were going

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Speaker 2: through different I Want songs first to just identify what

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Speaker 2: were going through it is that every single I Want song,

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Speaker 2: you can go deeper and deeper, and basically what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about is what you and I have talked about before,

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Speaker 2: and it's like the prayer behind the prayer behind the prayer,

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Speaker 2: and so love it. You might say, Okay, so just

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Speaker 2: off the cuff, tell me a Disney movie that has singing,

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Speaker 2: and I'll see if I can can do it on

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Speaker 2: the fly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the princess and the frog, I haven't seen that one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: my drawing up link Disney Cinderella. Cinderella.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she's the one I think she sings one day

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Speaker 2: my Prince will come? Right?

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Speaker 1: Does that sound r? That sounds really?

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Speaker 2: It's one of the og basically all of the I

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Speaker 2: of their prints. So what she wants is her prince

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Speaker 2: to come. And so on the one hand, you can say, okay,

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Speaker 2: have to ask is what is the deeper motivation? And

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Speaker 2: then what you're trying to get to is the universal

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Speaker 2: of humans who have ever lived. So not everybody wants

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Speaker 2: to marry a prince. So we could make it more

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Speaker 2: universal by saying, oh, she wants to marry her true love. Well,

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Speaker 2: not everybody is motivated by love and romance, right, Either

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Speaker 2: you're too young to care, or maybe you've moved beyond it,

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Speaker 2: or you've been burned by love. So then you ask, well,

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Speaker 2: what is an even deeper, driving universal motivation.

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Speaker 1: It goes beyond romance.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's just to be loved and understood, or maybe

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Speaker 2: like Cinderella specifically, it's this universal fantasy of being rescued

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Speaker 2: we realize listening to these I Went songs is like

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Speaker 2: most full or five like universal motivations, and every song

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Speaker 2: is going to take you back to one of those.

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Speaker 2: And so what I loved is none of the kids,

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Speaker 2: like all the middle school kids were too young to

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Speaker 2: have ever watched Fiddler on the Roof, which is the

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Speaker 2: Like when you're talking about super famous I Want songs,

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Speaker 2: or do you know what I'm talking about? It's been

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Speaker 2: is I'm going to walk you through it, going kind

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Speaker 2: deeper and deeper and deeper, and also talk about how

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Speaker 2: I'm not at all being like facetious or ironic. I

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Speaker 2: feel like analyzing this song not to be overly dramatic,

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Speaker 2: and I have ever talked about in praying Christian. That's

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Speaker 2: how excited I got about it.

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Speaker 1: This is exciting, this is good. So tell me.

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Speaker 2: About your knowledge and experience with the musical.

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Speaker 1: Fitnler on the roof, So I know I saw it

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Speaker 1: and it was one of the first like musicals I

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Speaker 1: remember seeing it's the Is it the one with Matchmaker? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I remember the Matchmaker scene with the girl with

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Speaker 1: the best and it's Matchmaker and Matchmaker make me a

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Speaker 1: him singing if I were a wealthy man, if I

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Speaker 1: feeling I got when I saw I mean, I just

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Speaker 1: remember it was a really good thing. But if I

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Speaker 1: pieces of it, and I know it's uh, is this

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Speaker 1: the little Girl? You know?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that song is so sad and beautiful. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's there's some really really good songs in there for

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Speaker 2: anybody who needs the warning and the reminder. Act two

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Speaker 2: really really important, the very basic premise is Tevia is

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Speaker 2: And he's got three daughters who are all getting close

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Speaker 2: and each of their husband choices gets progressively farther from

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Speaker 2: like devastatingly getting disowned by her like the whole Like

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Speaker 2: I said, Act two, so sad, Act one ends on

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Speaker 2: a pogrom like it's it's really really not the happy

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Speaker 2: musical that you would think it is. If all you

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Speaker 2: or a tradition at the beginning, Do you remember that one?

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Speaker 2: Premise, and it's this man in his traditional ways coming

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Speaker 2: Like if I were going to write a modern day

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Speaker 2: Fiddler on the Roof for an Evangelical Christian family, it

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Speaker 2: and then the second child marries like somebody from a

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Speaker 2: pretty different denomination, right, like going from I don't want

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like Protestant, Catholic or

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Speaker 1: you know something like that, Yeah, within Protestanty, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, but like denominations that don't play well but still

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Speaker 2: the church. Like that's the progression that Tevia is going

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Speaker 2: which again on the surface, sounds like a funny man

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Speaker 2: profound template for prayer that I have ever found outside

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Speaker 2: the Book of Psalms or outside the Lord's.

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Speaker 1: Prayer or anything in the New Testament.

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Speaker 2: So it starts off with the very basic if I

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Speaker 2: But here's the other thing I love about Teba, the

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Speaker 1: Speak to the Lord.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I know that Tebbe is not a real person,

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Speaker 2: so he starts off the song and says, Dear God,

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Speaker 2: you made many many poor people. I realize, of course,

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Speaker 2: that it's no shame to be poor, but it's no

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Speaker 2: that aspect about Teba, about being more conversational in prayer

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Speaker 2: But I want to go specifically into if I were

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Speaker 2: first prayer of the day being God, I really want

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Speaker 2: to have more money, and I am probably going to

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Speaker 2: say rightly so like that truly shouldn't be the driving

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Speaker 2: the Book of Proverbs alone to lead us to understand

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Speaker 2: that money is not the most important thing in the world,

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Speaker 2: and the love of money can lead to all kinds

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Speaker 2: of terrible things. I love my grandma's quote about money.

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Speaker 2: I think I told you that she said it to

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Speaker 2: me just in the past couple of years. She says,

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Speaker 2: money isn't everything, but sometimes it sure can help. And

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Speaker 2: she was talking about it in the context of having

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Speaker 2: long term disability insurance because she wasn't sure if eventually

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Speaker 2: money isn't everything, but it can help sometimes. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: is it a sin to pray for more money?

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Speaker 2: Well you mean like a financial cushion. I was fixturing

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Speaker 1: Filled with money. Yeah, what kind of throw pillow is this?

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Speaker 1: another one of our praying Christian women trademarked and patented. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the other hand, you could be manipulative in your prayers

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Speaker 1: So I basically just threw a bunch of spaghetti at

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Speaker 2: We'd love to all of your spaghetti. It was delicious, yeall.

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Speaker 2: So when Tavia says, even at the beginning, I realize

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Speaker 2: And so I think that's one of the takeaways we

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Speaker 2: Right, I know that was redundant, and I kind of

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Speaker 2: Everyone, now drop to your knees and pray these magic words,

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Speaker 1: that to just make it beautiful for the glory of God,

437
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: just for beauty's sake, and I'm that way. I was

438
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: always very much like, I'll put time into a vegetable garden,

439
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: but I don't want flowers, Like why would I want flowers?

440
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: And you know, over the years, I've started to understand more.

441
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of that way about fashion. I don't personally

442
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: have many fashionable clothes or any but I can appreciate

443
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: the artistic expression of fashion on a cerebral level where

444
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: I can see, you know what, that's somebody's expression of

445
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: beauty and why not like that's okay? And I used

446
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: to be a little stoic about that, like a T

447
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: shirt and gene like, mom, why do I have to

448
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: even like brush my hair? And now my daughter, who

449
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I've got a hound to brush her hair, I'm like

450
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: totally getting it back, but it's hilarious. Same with hair

451
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: styles and extensive makeup, Like I don't do either of

452
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: that really, and you know, but I can totally appreciate

453
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: the value in beautiful things.

454
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: So yes, this was driven home to me when we

455
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: did our Proverbs thirty one study. That was honestly, I

456
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: think my biggest or one of my biggest takeaways. We

457
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: did a whole mini series on how does the proverb

458
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: thirty one woman pray. And I realized how much baggage

459
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: I carry about things that are seen as frivolous, you know,

460
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: and how how silly it is to like who cares

461
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: if someone chooses to put lipstick on before church or not?

462
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: Like that's that's her and God. And yeah, some people

463
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: are doing it for right reasons. Some people are doing

464
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: it from habits. Some people are abstaining for por like

465
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: who cares? It's like it's like what color socks am

466
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: I going to wear? It literally does not have to

467
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: have any bearing on your life, but if it does,

468
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: then whatever you do, do it for the glory of good.

469
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: And I think that again, as women, just like we

470
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: were designed to protect our homes, were designed to bring

471
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: a sense of peace and common beauty to our homes.

472
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: And some of us do that in one way, some

473
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: of us do it in another way. And I think

474
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 2: a lot of women, especially in the church, get shamed

475
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: for wanting to have a beautiful space. I remember being

476
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: part of a church that had just built its first building,

477
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: and in a way they did it well, but in

478
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: a way they also poo pooed it, like they had

479
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: a decorating committee and they recognized, like they say that

480
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: we want you ladies to make our church beautiful.

481
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: But there was also a little.

482
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: Bit of kind of like jostling and teasing and like

483
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: you do the pretty you do the pretty work, and

484
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: we'll get the roof on, do you know what I mean?

485
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of that.

486
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: Too, And why can't we have both? Like Teva wants

487
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: a big tall house with a real tin roof, fanty

488
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: ones a frivolous staircase for no reason whatsoever. But here's

489
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: what I'm also saying about Tevia. He still is being

490
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: a little frivolous here. But we can go and we

491
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: can ask ourselves. Okay, but what does he really really want?

492
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: Because I think sometimes with prayer, we don't even know

493
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: the prayer behind the prayer till we start pray. And

494
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: Teva is just scratching the surface still. But could you

495
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: read the next part about the yard with chicks and turkeys.

496
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, which rings hits home for you right with your knee. Chickens.

497
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: We just got some meat birds.

498
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: It's been really fun.

499
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: We haven't had chickens in like five to eight years.

500
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: It's a long time into it. I'd fill my yard

501
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: with chicks and turkeys and geese and ducks for the

502
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: town to see in here squawking just as as they can,

503
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: and each loud of the ghee be it gao, be

504
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: it ge ga.

505
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: He makes really weird noises.

506
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to do that for you guys.

507
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: Not doing it would land like a trumpet on the ear,

508
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: as if to say, here lives a wealthy man. Ah.

509
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: All right, So let's dissect this one. So he wants

510
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: lots of animals, he wants his farm to be full.

511
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: We have, on the one hand, the food security and

512
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: living in Alaska, living in rural Alaska, living around people

513
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: who have always lived a subsistence lifestyle. I understand what

514
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: food security means more than I ever did, back when

515
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: you just drove yourself to a store and got your groceries.

516
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: Food security is just knowing that if you don't get

517
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: to town for three weeks for this side or the

518
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: other reason, you're still going to have enough to eat.

519
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: And so on the one hand, there's the only more

520
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: universal desire is probably for water and I guess oxygen

521
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: than food, you know. So he's hitting on that, But

522
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: he's also hitting on another motivation that most of us

523
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: would shy away from admitting to ourselves, or to each other,

524
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: or to God. He says he wants all of the

525
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: squawkings to land like a trumpet on the ear, as

526
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: if to say, here lives a wealthy man. He does

527
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: want the sign of wealth. So in our culture, for

528
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people, that's the car, or that's the

529
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: fancy per So those are the first thing that come

530
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: to my mind. Can you think of any others?

531
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: I think the cars and purses are the biggest ones.

532
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: It used to be watches, and I think in certain

533
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: circles of I but you know, we all get our

534
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: we all get our time from our phones.

535
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, watches, you know, gadgets, Yeah, the newest smartphone, although

536
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: everyone kind of has sort of the same phones. Like

537
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't feel like, I mean know, there's a spectrum,

538
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think yeah probably and maybe just like

539
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: I know in our neighborhood, a lot of people are

540
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: meticulous about their yards. And that doesn't mean you're wealthy,

541
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: but it's like it's another pride thing. Yeah, it's taking

542
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: care a sign of wealth, but it's like it's like

543
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: a pride thing. And I see that with the you know,

544
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: one more staircase leading nowhere just for show, and you know,

545
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: those ideas of just wanting it to be more than

546
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: just comfort for his family, but wanting other people to know.

547
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: So that to me says I want to be respected, Like, yes,

548
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: I want, And as we see later it's not necessarily

549
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: like respected for how hard Well maybe it is. He's

550
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: later on he talks about, you know, not having to work,

551
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: but like maybe he wants people to say all of

552
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: his hard work and maybe he wants to know even

553
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: for himself, like all of this hard work has gone

554
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: for something. Yeah.

555
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why we've said for like, there needs

556
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: to be a word for pride, and there needs to

557
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: be a word for pride, and one of them needs

558
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: to be the thing that we're very quick to run

559
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: away from, and the other should be something that we

560
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: can either accept and embrace or at the very least

561
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: be ambivalent about.

562
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm proud of my children.

563
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: I'm not worried that God's going to smite me for

564
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: being proud of my kids, and I hope you aren't either.

565
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: So there are certain scenarios where we understand that pride

566
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: is supposed to be good, you know, like if you

567
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: have a three year old who's just learned how to

568
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: do something, you know, tricky. Maybe they've just learned how

569
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: to write the first letter of their name or something like.

570
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: You're supposed to feel proud of them, and you're supposed

571
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: to help them to feel proud of themselves. But then

572
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: somehow it gets so complicated, just like money, it gets

573
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: so into well, don't pride is a sin? Well, yes,

574
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: there is a pride that is a sin, and then

575
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: there is a pride that is actually a really good

576
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: thing to have in yourself, you know, like taking pride

577
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: in your lawn. That could be a sin, That could

578
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: be a really wise way to steward what God has

579
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: given you. And it all comes down to what's in

580
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: your heart. But yeah, so I think here we have

581
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: to have. He definitely is is not too stoic sainthood

582
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: on our litmus test of how pure are his motivations,

583
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: But he is so honest and he's touching a little.

584
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: I think he's getting deeper at the very surface. He

585
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: just didn't want to have to work as hard as

586
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: he does. The next level is he wants to be

587
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: respected by people. And I think we can call that

588
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: a universal desire that.

589
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: At its core is not wrong. It is not wrong

590
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: to wants to be respected.

591
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: Now, it's wrong to want to be like worshiped or

592
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: envied or things like that, but it's not wrong to

593
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: want your dignity as a human being to be acknowledged

594
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: in the same way that you acknowledge the dignity.

595
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Of other human beings.

596
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: Right, there's just sort of a universal human respect that

597
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: I believe is innate that if we are not receiving it,

598
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: we do feel a lac and tevia. Being in a

599
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: Jewish community where there is persecution and being one of

600
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: the poorest members of that community, he isn't getting and

601
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: he's a very henpecked husband. He's not getting the respect

602
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: that universally a human deserves. His first way of knowing

603
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: how to express that is saying, I want a great, big,

604
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: long staircase going up right, just like you know the

605
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: middle aged man their first I need the sports car. Okay,

606
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: but what's deeper than that, and then what's deeper than that?

607
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: And then what's deeper than that is I want the

608
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: respect that I am owed just because of the fact

609
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: that I am a human being who is creating in

610
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: God's image, and you can't fault somebody for knowing that

611
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: because I am a human being and because I'm a

612
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: child of God, I deserve the baseline level.

613
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Of respect that every human deserves.

614
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: Then we go down to he talks about his wife.

615
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: He says, I see my wife, my goldie, looking like

616
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: a rich man's wife with a proper double chin. And

617
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: I love this.

618
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: I love that line.

619
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: That is so funny. Supervising meals to her heart's delight.

620
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 2: I see you're putting on airs and strutting like a peacock.

621
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh what a happy mood she's in, screaming at the

622
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: servants day and night. Okay, so if you want to

623
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: put on your super super judgy Christian hat, tell me

624
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: everything that's wrong with Tevy's motivations from this. From this verse,

625
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: he is.

626
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: Praying for excess and gluttony to the point that she's

627
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, has more weight than she needs, which to

628
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: him symbolize is prosperity, and supervising meals putting on airs. Again,

629
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: the word pride comes to mind. Strutting like a peacock,

630
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: and then you know, being happy herself and yet screaming

631
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: at the servants and making them feel small.

632
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: Not very christ like that part especially. I don't like

633
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: that last light. Yeah, but we can if we want

634
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: to be very gracious towards Tevia. I mean, hey, we're

635
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: starting with you know what, Teva, you are where you are,

636
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: so go ahead and tell God where you are. And

637
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't censor it. So that's good enough. But other

638
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: than the screaming at the servants, which we don't want

639
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: to get behind, I think there is a sense kind

640
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: of like what we talked about with mothers wanting to

641
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: know that your family's taken care of. There is a

642
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: sense of just wanting to know that your loved ones

643
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: are provided for. And so if we want to go

644
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: to his deeper motivation and maybe try to hit on

645
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: the universal motivations, it's I don't want my loved ones

646
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: to worry, you know, Like I don't know how well

647
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: you remember Goldie the musical, but she's a nag and

648
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: she's a worry wart and she's always hounding him and

649
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: he loves her to death and it's actually like it's

650
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: really really beautiful and sweet and cute, and he wants

651
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: her to be happy. And in his mind, what's going

652
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: to make Goldie happy is being fat and having a

653
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: lot of servants to yell at. Now, is that truly

654
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: what's gonna make Goldie happy? No, but that is just

655
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: his most uncensored first knee jerk reaction to this universal

656
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: motivation of I want the woman that I love more

657
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 2: than anything in the world to be happy. So again,

658
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: just like all the other verses, we are getting the

659
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: uncensored tuba. And then we can just shave a sight,

660
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: a tiny, tiny bit and hit the layer that has

661
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: no sinfulness, no sense elfishness to whatsoever. And that is

662
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: just this universal God given desire to see your loved

663
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: ones happily provided for. Like even John in one of

664
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: his epistles, he says, I have no greater joy than

665
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: that my children are walking in the truth. Like, what

666
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: is going to make you and me more happy as

667
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: we get older. It's just knowing that our kids are

668
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: are fine and well, Like if I know that. Okay,

669
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: So here's another thing. I was asking myself, you know

670
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: how we were talking about I want songs.

671
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

672
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: I was going through my entire Broadway repertoire, and I

673
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: was being like, out of all these beautiful because they're

674
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: usually very belty, they're usually like Dawn from the gut.

675
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: I was trying to see what is my life's I

676
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: want song? And what I realized was it's the song

677
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: I might get teary like, it's a song that Goldie

678
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: sings to her daughter's or Sabbath prayer. She just wants

679
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: them happy, Yeah, and she just wants them to be

680
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: well taken care of, and she just wants them to

681
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: be Okay, that is an like, that's not a selfish

682
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: desire to have for your loved ones.

683
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: No, okay, let's go to the next verse.

684
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: Can you read it about the most important men in town?

685
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Yes? Before we do that, can I say one more

686
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: thing about this last part. I feel like Tevia is

687
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: like he probably sees her hard work and this idea

688
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: of her yelling at servants. I picture him picturing her

689
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: yelling at him, and he still loves her. He knows

690
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: that she loves him. He's just her way, and so

691
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe it's like her yelling at the

692
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: servants and kind of just her personality. But she has

693
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: servants to yell to, so she can rest, she can

694
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: look beautiful, she can feel good about herself. She can

695
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: you know, take a load off and just enjoy life.

696
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: For a little bit. I think that's kind of the

697
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: core of that desire there, instead of it being you know,

698
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: exactly whipping the servants. But anyway, okay, so we are next.

699
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: The most important men in town would come to fawn

700
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: on me. They would ask me to advise them, like

701
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: a solemnon the wise, if you please, rebteva, pardon me

702
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: rebteva posing problems that would cross a rabbi's eyes.

703
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: So we're getting even deeper to the respect. He's gone

704
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: from provision to respect. And I'm sure if we were

705
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: sociologists we could even like transpose these onto that like

706
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: mass love, hierarchy or whatever it's called. You know what

707
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, once your basic needs for food and

708
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: water and shelter are taken care of, you want that respect,

709
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: You want that belonging. Now, yes, if I want to

710
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: put on my really really judgie Christian hat, I'm going

711
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 2: to look at him and wag my finger at him

712
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: for not knowing that he is loved by God no

713
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: matter what other people think of him. But when I

714
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: put on my gracious hat and Teba, you're in every

715
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: man hat, I say, yeah, we all want respect. And

716
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: then you think about his history being a Jew in

717
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: a region that gets regular programs, being one of the

718
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: poorest in your town, having a wife who nags you incessantly,

719
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: and you can see this craving for respect is not selfish.

720
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: And I think this is the first verse where I

721
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: don't even think we have to scratch off a layer

722
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: to get to the pure, nonsinful, uncensored Teba motivation. Some

723
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: people might disagree a little bit. Some people are going

724
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: to say, well, you should be so secure in who

725
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: you are in Christ that you don't need the esteem

726
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: of others. But honestly, I think that could be a

727
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: little prideful. It's almost like I don't need what every

728
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: single human actually does need, which is community. Like if

729
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: you don't like the word respect, if that feels too

730
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: close to pride, just community and belonging. Please don't be

731
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: so arrogant to think that you don't need that.

732
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean you could maybe it's a stretch,

733
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: but you could take it a layer deeper and say,

734
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: maybe he wants to contribute in a way that goes

735
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: beyond just his provision. Like I wan't agree. Wise, I

736
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: want to be able to advise people and make a

737
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: difference on a community level. And not just you know,

738
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: pluging a way to just put food on the table. Exactly.

739
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: He has the heart of a scholar living the life

740
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: of a really hard working farmer who never gets a

741
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: day off. And that takes us to the very last verse,

742
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: which is where we get his complete uncensored like, this

743
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: is the true Tavia. If I were rich, I'd have

744
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: the time that I lack to sit in the synagogue

745
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: and pray and maybe have a seat by the eastern wall.

746
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: I discuss holy books with the learned men several hours

747
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 2: every day, and that would be the sweetest thing of all.

748
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: Wow, that is cool.

749
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: And so what I love is most of us would

750
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: force ourselves to start our prayer with that pure motivation.

751
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: We would say, God, please give me money so I

752
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: can be generous. We wouldn't start with I really want

753
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: money so my wife can be fat and so I

754
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: can have a frivolous staircase. But Teeda starts exactly where

755
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: he is, and with each verse he peels back a

756
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: layer and becomes reveals more of his actual motivation until

757
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: you get to something that is so pure and so beautiful.

758
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: That's the real Like this is the prayer behind the

759
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: prayer he wants money so that he has time to

760
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: pray and study the Bible, and he says that would

761
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: be the sweetest gift of all. But to get to

762
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: that part of his prayer, he started with wanting to

763
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: not have to work hard, And he started with wanting

764
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: a wife who's free to yell at his servants, and

765
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: to have a bunch of chickens who are so loud

766
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: that they're squawking, so that the whole town knows that

767
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: he's rich, you know, And so I love the progression.

768
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: It shows how if you start censored, you're never going

769
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: to get.

770
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: As real with the Lord as Tevo Gott.

771
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: If you start with, Dear God, please help me to

772
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: have more money so that I can be more generous,

773
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: there's nowhere to go from there. If you start with God,

774
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: I am so stressed out about money right now. I

775
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: just need two weeks where I don't have to worry

776
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: about bills. I just need, like I need a job

777
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: where I know that if my kid got sick, I

778
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: could take a few days off and not have to

779
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: not be able to make my utilities. Like, you start

780
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: where you are, and then you can get to like

781
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: the true center. But if you try to censor right

782
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: from the beginning, You're never going to get there.

783
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: And also you miss out on true relationship. It's kind

784
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: of like the difference between pouring your heart out to

785
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: your best friend over coffee and standing at a Miss

786
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: America pageant saying your deepest desire is for world peace.

787
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, like you're losing a lot of relationship. So

788
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: what stands out to you from this the most? The

789
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: last segment that's really sometimes I think, like when I'm

790
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: not even necessarily financially, but like in a place where

791
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: i feel like I'm so tied up with practicalities or

792
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: so worried about a certain thing that I'm not able to,

793
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't have the energy to pray. I don't have

794
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: that space. I think about that sometimes when I'm not

795
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: in those situations and I do have that time in

796
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: that space, I feel very privileged because I think there

797
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: are some people who don't have the time and space

798
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: to pray right now, and to not that you can't

799
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: pray on the fly and incorporate it into parts but meditation.

800
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: He's talking about sitting in the synagogue and praying. He's

801
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: talking about sitting by the Eastern wall. Is that the

802
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: whaling wall or I guess the Eastern So that's what

803
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: I was wondering. I don't know, but basically the two

804
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: to sit in God's presence and just even to contemplate.

805
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I think a lot of times

806
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: about how philosophy feels like it's dying because people are

807
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: so busy with doing and just even the time, you know,

808
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: to sit and think and be and listen. So that's

809
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: that's that. I didn't read ahead. So that took me

810
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: by surprise. Yeah, I was taking section at time, and yeah,

811
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: so that really took me by surprise. Yeah.

812
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I would say some of the takeaways be

813
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: as candid with God, Like, be painfully candid with God,

814
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: and He already knows where you're at anyway, So don't

815
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: try to put on a better face. Don't be the

816
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 2: person on the first day trying to be ten times

817
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: more impressive than you are, Like, be genuinely who you

818
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: are because God already knows. And then trust that the

819
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: more you pray through an issue, the more you're going. Like,

820
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: don't be afraid of praying superficially, because God can take

821
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: what starts as a superficial prayer and reveal some of

822
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: the deepest desires of your heart. So I would say

823
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: even listener homework aside from everyone going out and watching

824
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: at least the first act I've fen lare on the roof. Yeah,

825
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: this would be like, take a desire you have, even like,

826
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: tell me if you want to. I'll tell you the assignment.

827
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: Then you tell me if you want to do it

828
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: on the air. Candidly, take a desire that you feel

829
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: is almost frivolous, like maybe something you'd be a teeny

830
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: tiny bit embarrassed to admit to, you know, the person

831
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: werrying that Judgie Christian hat. And then ask yourself, what's

832
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: my desire behind that desire or my prayer behind the prayer,

833
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: and see if you can strip it away to something

834
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: that is just as genuine and beautiful as at last

835
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: verse if I were a rich man.

836
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be very candid. Yes, we went camping this

837
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: weekend with some friends and everyone was wearing bathing suits

838
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: and I was wearing a bathing suit and I had

839
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: like a cover thing that was pretty modest that covered

840
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: is you know more, And I was thinking, I don't

841
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: like I just didn't feel comfortable in a bathing suit

842
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: because I've put on extra pounds and I am so yeah,

843
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: So my thought was I want to look good in

844
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: a bathing suit?

845
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: And did you feel guilty for having that thought? Like

846
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: did you shame yourself for thinking that? Kind of because

847
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: I a lot of women would sure, because.

848
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to mind is, well, who's

849
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: it for? You know? Is it for you know, you

850
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: try and impress other people or you know? But and

851
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: also because you know, I'm not morbidly obese or anything,

852
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: but everything is shifted and I just and the core

853
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I would say, like number one, some of it is superficial.

854
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: Some of it is just being superficial, but very superficial.

855
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: Let's start there. Superficial. I want to look good because

856
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I want to. I guess I want when other people

857
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: look at me, I want them to think that I'm healthy,

858
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: that I'm not healthy, care of yourself, making care of myself,

859
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: thank you, because healthy isn't the word that that I

860
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: take care of myself. And maybe I equate being in

861
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: shape with people perceiving that I'm motivated or like.

862
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: Oh it's that idea of product activity productive. Yes, yeah, yeah,

863
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: that is somehow like morally superior.

864
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then you know, a layer below that is, yes,

865
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: I want to be healthy. I know what it feels

866
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Speaker 1: like to be in the habit of working out, to

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Speaker 1: be in you know, to basically be in a place

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Speaker 1: where I feel strong and where I look strong, and

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Speaker 1: I miss that. I look back a little bit and think, yeah,

870
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Speaker 1: I want to look strong. I want to feel strong

871
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Speaker 1: because I had more energy, because I was able to

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Speaker 1: do more things without getting out of breath or without

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Speaker 1: you know, needing help to do it. So and then

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Speaker 1: and then there is the health thing too, That's that's

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Speaker 1: part of it. But I will say, you know, I

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Speaker 1: definitely do I look at fitness now differently. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a supermodel in a bathing

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Speaker 1: suit anymore. But I want to be healthy and I

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Speaker 1: want my brain to be healthy, and I want my

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Speaker 1: muscles to be strong. I want my bones not to

881
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Speaker 1: atrophy from osteoporosis. I want, you know, I want to

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Speaker 1: live long and be useful and productive and active and

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Speaker 1: be able to have fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also what I'm hearing from you, especially knowing your

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Speaker 2: family history, as I'm hearing you not wanting to be

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Speaker 2: somebody that's going to be difficult on your family. Right,

887
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Speaker 2: if you want to be able to take care of yourself,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to decay and have to burden your

889
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Speaker 2: husband or your kids or your best friend. Slash co hosts,

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Speaker 2: come and take care of you, right, Seriously, I'll volunteer

891
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Speaker 2: to do if you ever need it. But yeah, but

892
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Speaker 2: if you look at it in that sense, there's no

893
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Speaker 2: shame in that whatsoever. Yeah, that's a beautiful thing. I

894
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Speaker 2: want my body to last so that I can keep

895
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Speaker 2: serving the people I love for as long as I'm alive.

896
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Speaker 2: I'll put an amen to that without having to add

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Speaker 2: any qualifications to it. And if you hadn't allowed yourself

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Speaker 2: to start with I want to feel better in a

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Speaker 2: bathing suit, or even I want to look better in

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Speaker 2: a bathing suit, you would have ever gotten to that.

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Speaker 2: And it's very probable that there's even deeper levels that

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Speaker 2: haven't popped out of that yet that you're gonna find

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Speaker 2: even more so. So, Yeah, that's an exercise that I

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Speaker 2: recommend everybody try, specifically for those desires that feel frivolous

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Speaker 2: or something that you're embarrassed to admit, or that you

906
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Speaker 2: think God is going to be mad at you for

907
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Speaker 2: wanting and just remember our beautiful friend Teva. I will

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Speaker 2: close with my one of my I have so many

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Speaker 2: beautiful Filler on the Roof memories. It's actually the DVD

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Speaker 2: because this was back in DVDs. Not only that, I

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Speaker 2: had the Fiddler on the Roof vinyl record when I

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Speaker 2: was a kid, and it was one of the only

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Speaker 2: records that I would go downstairs because that's where our

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Speaker 2: record player was and I would put it on, but

915
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Speaker 2: we had the DVD. I don't think it was weird,

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Speaker 2: just I think it was DVD. And I woke up

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Speaker 2: with contractions for baby number two, and this was our

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Speaker 2: baby where the labor got really prolonged and difficult, but

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Speaker 2: we didn't know it at the time. I didn't want

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Speaker 2: to wake up my husband because I didn't know if

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Speaker 2: it was the real thing yet. So I sat up

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Speaker 2: watching Fiddler on the Roof just counting contractions. It is

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Speaker 2: a beautiful, beautiful show means a lot to be But

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Speaker 2: aside from those, another favorite memory of mine is we

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Speaker 2: got to take my niece to see a live stage

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Speaker 2: version of it when she was probably like just six

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Speaker 2: or seven, early elementary age. And there's a scene at

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Speaker 2: s Daughter number two who's falling in love with the

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Speaker 2: revolutionary that she's.

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Speaker 1: Not supposed to fall in love with.

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Speaker 2: And they do this like cute little jig dance, and

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Speaker 2: then they have the moment where their like their faces

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Speaker 2: are pretty close and they're staring into each other's eyes

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Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, they're about to kiss before

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Speaker 2: they get interrupted. So they're standing here pause their faces,

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Speaker 2: you know, like two inches away from each other, and

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Speaker 2: it's you know, there's probably at least a couple hundred

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Speaker 2: people in the audience. It was a decent size theater.

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Speaker 2: My niece loud enough for everybody, even the actors to hear, says,

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Speaker 2: uh oh. She could follow enough with the story to

941
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Speaker 2: understand that those two weren't supposed to they weren't supposed

942
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Speaker 2: to be together.

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Speaker 1: That is so cute. At least you knew she was

944
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Speaker 1: paying attention. I know, very cute. So please go watch Fiddler.

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Speaker 2: Don't bother with the second act of It's Too Sad

946
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Speaker 2: for You, or at least put on the soundtrack. I

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Speaker 2: hope I will not apologize if people get if I

948
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Speaker 2: were a rich fan in your head for the rest

949
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Speaker 2: of the day. It is fun and catchy, but so

950
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Speaker 2: much more profound than you think of when you hear

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Speaker 2: it just on its surface.

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Speaker 1: I love that. We'd like to take just a quick

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