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Speaker 1: Turning Point USA launches their Amfest conference, too much fanfare

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Speaker 1: and too much controversy out in Phoenix, Arizona. We've got

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Speaker 1: the details for you, as well as Harry Enton, the

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Speaker 1: chief data analyst at CNN, who stops by Josh Hammer Show,

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Speaker 1: making his third appearance on the show. We're going to

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Speaker 1: go deep on the current polls and all they need

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Speaker 1: to know to make sense of the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: midterms and beyond. I'm Josh Hammer and this is the

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Speaker 1: Josh Hammer Show. Turning Point USA, their first conference since

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Speaker 1: the horrific assassination of their founder, my late friend, Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Amfest got underway in Phoenix on Thursday evening, and right

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Speaker 1: out of the gate there were some headlines. You had

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Speaker 1: Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk, who took something

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Speaker 1: of a soft dig at Candice Owens, the unhinged conspiracist,

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Speaker 1: the one time Charlie Kirk friend and ally turned hyper conspiratorial,

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Speaker 1: narcissist and frankly just a neo Kno disseminator. So Erk

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Speaker 1: Karr taking a slight dig at canvas Owens where she

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Speaker 1: mentioned Egypt and Egyptian airlines kind of a light poking

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Speaker 1: a canvass conspiracy theories about Charlie's assassination.

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 1: Real crux of the opening of this conference, and I

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Speaker 1: think that this is really what folks are going to

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Speaker 1: remember about this particular conference, maybe above all, is the

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Speaker 1: back and forth that Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson had

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Speaker 1: on the opening night of this particular conference, because it

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Speaker 1: was really no holes bart. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about this so called civil war within Mango then

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Speaker 1: the American right, and that's not necessarily how I view it.

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Speaker 1: I view there as being just a generally decent and

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Speaker 1: provocateurs who are simultaneously trying to make your brain rotten,

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Speaker 1: who are also trying to rewrite what it means to

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Speaker 3: That's how I view it.

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Speaker 1: I prefer not to view it as a quote unquote

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Speaker 1: civil war, because to grant the premise of a civil

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Speaker 1: two equivalent forces that are kind of just butting heads monoamano.

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Speaker 1: But to the extend that you believe that there was

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Speaker 1: a full fledged Civil War, I think that the opening

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Speaker 1: nights of anfest really would have dispelled that notion pretty seriously.

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Speaker 1: So Ben Shapiro, who we talked about a little bit

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Speaker 1: Foundation also on the topic of Tucker Carlson one day

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Speaker 1: prior and Wednesday, he was actually the first speaker directly

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Speaker 1: after Erica Kirk on the opening night of the conference,

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Speaker 1: and Ben was really not mincing words in this particular speech.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead and watch this clib.

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Speaker 4: So if Candice Owens decides to spend every day since

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Speaker 4: the murder of Charlie Kirk casting aspersions at TPUSA and

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Speaker 4: the people who work here who worked with Charlie every

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Speaker 4: single day, his best friends, to cast aspersions at Mikey

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Speaker 4: McCoy and Andrew Colvin and Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer

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Speaker 4: and yes, at Erica Kirk, and to imply or outright

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Speaker 4: absolutely baseless crash implicating everyone from French intelligence to Masad

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Speaker 4: to members of TPUSA in Charlie's murder or a cover

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Speaker 4: have a moral obligation to call that out by name.

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Speaker 4: Erica Kirk and TPUSA never never should have put it,

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Speaker 4: never should have been put in the position to have

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Speaker 4: to defend themselves against such specious and evil attacks, particularly

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Speaker 4: in a time of morning. And the people who refuse

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Speaker 4: to condemn Candace's truly vicious attacks, and some of them

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Speaker 4: are speaking here, are guilty of cowardice, Yes, cowardice.

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Speaker 2: The fact that they have.

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Speaker 4: Said nothing, well, Candas has been vomiting all sorts of

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Speaker 1: So a lots of a pat there, obviously, as someone

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Speaker 1: targeting me, ludicrously, insanely targeting me before she was targeting

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Speaker 1: any of the folks that been mentioned there, Andrew Kolovitz,

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Speaker 1: also about Megan Kelly, who we talked about earlier on

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Speaker 1: as the dictionary definition, literally the act actual definition of

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Speaker 1: She is the likeliest of this whole wretched Motley crew

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson and Candie Owns as followers. So Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 1: not mincing words when it comes to any of these individuals,

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, Candis Owens, Megan Kelly and so forth. Now,

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people talk about, oh me,

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Speaker 1: blowing up Ben Shapiro and saying, oh, we took to

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk stage to launch fire inside the tent. But

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Speaker 1: the relevant question is this, what is the tent? The

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Speaker 1: relevant question is what is the conservative tent? What is

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Speaker 1: being on the rights. I'm all for unity, I am

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Speaker 1: all for getting along to the extent that we're actually

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Speaker 1: on the same page. What I've been saying for months

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Speaker 1: now is that a lot of these folks Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 1: As Charlie himself would have put it. They're not on

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Speaker 1: team Civilization. They are on Team Barbarism. They're on Team Islamism,

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Speaker 3: They're not. They're just not there, not on team America.

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Speaker 1: When Tucker Carlson interviews the Chinese Communist Party puppet Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: This is not Western sentiment. It's just not so Tark Carlson.

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Speaker 1: to be the lowest common denominator possible. I am America first.

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Speaker 1: I presume you are too. Why because we're Americans. If

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Speaker 1: reason that the slogan, you know, really didn't do it

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Speaker 1: necessarily a whole lot there, and that MAGA. I think

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Speaker 1: The reason that is because America First isn't actually saying

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Speaker 1: So Tucker was on this a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he was scoring many points there. Things got really

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Speaker 1: fend off allegations that he is anti Semitic, something that

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Speaker 1: we firmly believe here on the show. I have said repeatedly,

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Speaker 1: I think Tucker Carlson is actually the most dangerous anti

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Speaker 1: Semlite in the history of the United States. To his

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Speaker 5: Now, attacking people on the attacking millions of Americans because

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Speaker 5: they're Muslims.

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Speaker 3: It's disgusting.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not a Muslim imer I know there's a

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 5: You should not attack people on those grounds. And you're

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Speaker 5: seeing it from republic What the hell are you doing.

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Speaker 5: What you're doing is trying to divide the country. And

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Speaker 5: I've lived through fifty years of this craft, all these

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Speaker 3: Oh, go hate each.

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Speaker 2: Other while we loot the treasury.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what's going on. And most people are totally

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Tum Carlson, who just told the Mirror of

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Speaker 1: Qatar over in Doha speaking out the Doha Forum, Jungant

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Speaker 1: months ago was downplaying sharia law because he's had that

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Speaker 3: Menacing can it be?

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Speaker 1: Now he is getting on his moral preening on his

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Speaker 3: Screw you, dude, Screw you.

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Speaker 1: The one who's been sowing discord is you, because you

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Speaker 1: are trying to drive a stake, a little stake through

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Speaker 1: the very beating heart of the contemporary American right, the

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Speaker 1: very beating heart of the MAGA movement, which, contrary to

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Speaker 1: trying to drive a stake through the beating heart of

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Speaker 1: the ecumenical Jewish Christian biblical alliance that birthed Western civilization,

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Speaker 1: ultimately culminated in the greatest government ever created, the Constitution

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Speaker 1: of the United States, and this great country today. You

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Speaker 1: were the divider, not the other way around. The good news,

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Speaker 1: the good news, as anfest Gut underway, is that Ben's

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Speaker 1: electric speech had massive applause lines. Tucker the crowd was

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Speaker 1: particular conversation there, and frankly, if anything, it was a

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Speaker 1: first round knockout for a Team Civilizational Sanity thanks to

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Speaker 1: the speech from Ben Shapir. We'll see how this conversation

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Speaker 1: looking pretty good, I would say for Team Civilizational Sanity. Well,

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Speaker 1: what a delight to welcome back to the Josh Ammer Show.

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Speaker 1: For I believe the third time in the history of

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Speaker 1: this show, my old friend Harry Enton. Has been amazing

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Speaker 1: to watch Harry's meteoric rise through the political media ecosystem

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Speaker 1: in recent years. Harry is the chief data analyst. I

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Speaker 1: think of him just as the polling guru in general

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Speaker 1: over at CNN. He's also the host of a new

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Speaker 1: show you can access at CNN's streaming on cnn dot

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Speaker 1: Com called The Entin Scale. Harry, you're a mensch, which

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Speaker 1: is a happy honic. I think you've joined the Josh

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what the third time is the charm?

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Speaker 6: I spell Hanukah with a C because you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: You as well.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of the Q spelling, but I saw

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I've known you for a very long time.

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Speaker 6: I got to tell you, I think I feel about

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Speaker 2: And we're a second half team.

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Speaker 3: Well, no disagreement there.

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Speaker 1: And you know one thing that's always struck me as

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Speaker 1: You're an old school baseball fan, an old school sports

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Speaker 1: I know you have all these fond records that you've

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Speaker 3: You know we're gonna move on to zefter this.

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Speaker 1: But I will say, Harry that my freshman yre, I

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Speaker 3: So let's start talking some numbers.

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Speaker 1: So the real kind of thing that I let me

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Speaker 2: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: You also saw it.

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Speaker 1: I mean this special election in Tennessee seventh Congressional district.

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Speaker 1: There the woman who was billed as the AOC of Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: It's true it was not a margin of error race,

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Speaker 1: but she ends up losing by what eight and a

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Speaker 1: half nine points, which is roughly thirteen points if I

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Speaker 1: Amercare act the ahead of what Kamala Harris did in

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Speaker 1: that district versus Donald Trump there. And then you look

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Speaker 1: at New Jersey where you have a pretty clear twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one versus twenty twenty five remac the same Republican

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Speaker 1: gubernatorial candidate who lost by three points in Change four

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Speaker 1: years ago, and now he's getting blown out by a

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Speaker 1: similar Spamburger esque double digit margin.

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Speaker 2: That was a shoka.

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Speaker 3: That was a genuine shakra.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Harry, I thought that New Jersey was actually

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Speaker 1: starting to become, not mean a swing state, but at

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Speaker 1: least getting more competitive. The Trump Harris margin there was

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Speaker 1: what five to six points somewhere in that range. It

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Speaker 1: ends up being a similar margin. Yeah, it's a similar

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Speaker 1: margin in New Jersey than out like in Arizona, which

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Speaker 1: is one of the big swing states there. So is

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Speaker 1: New Jersey just solidly Democrat for now?

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think there are a few things

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Speaker 6: to keep in mind, One which is, you know who

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Speaker 6: was the when was the last time a Republican candidate

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Speaker 6: won a group of natorial race in New Jersey with

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Speaker 6: a Republican president. What was it Tom Kane in nineteen

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Speaker 6: eighty five. The last time it was an open seat

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Speaker 6: would have been Kane again, but an eighty one under Reagan.

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Speaker 6: These are both races. While I know you and I

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Speaker 6: are getting older and older and older, we were not

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Speaker 6: alive during those races. So that gives you an idea

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Speaker 6: that it's been a long period of time. So I

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Speaker 6: think you have to take that into account. You also

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Speaker 6: have to take into account that Donald Trump is not

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Speaker 6: a popular guy in New Jersey's at this.

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Speaker 2: Point a popular guy nationwide.

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Speaker 6: He's more popular than he was in term one at

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Speaker 6: this point, but overall he's not a popular guy. So look,

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Speaker 6: and Kamala Howard still won a New Jersey right, She's

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Speaker 6: still won despite losing nationwide, So she ran seven points

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Speaker 6: ahead of where she ran nationally.

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Speaker 2: I think New.

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Speaker 6: Jersey is more swingy than it was maybe a decade ago.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: Barack Obama still put up the best performance of any

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Speaker 6: Democrat running for president. I think, I think in terms

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Speaker 6: of his percentage of the vote, since like LBJ, I think

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Speaker 6: that's what it was, and that was of course coming

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Speaker 6: off of hurricane or superstorm standy, But no, I don't

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Speaker 6: think it's a swing. I think it's becoming more swingy.

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Speaker 6: But I wouldn't necessarily jug judge whether it's swing. It's

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Speaker 6: based upon the election in twenty twenty five, given that

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump was in power, given that Donald Trump was

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Speaker 6: not popular in New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's kind of a combination of both.

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Speaker 1: I dare say, no, fair enough, and then that makes

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Speaker 1: lots sen to me. So again, folks, Harry Eton is

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Speaker 1: the chief data analyst at CNN is New show the

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Speaker 6: Harry, let's do all access, all access. If we're gonna

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Speaker 6: do the plug, Josh Ammer, we're gonna do it right.

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Speaker 6: It's CNN All Access. You can get a subscription. You

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Speaker 6: can find it streaming on CNN dot com. Thank you

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Speaker 6: so much. It's been a wonderful time. Thank you to

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Speaker 6: your audience.

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Speaker 1: Well, the audience appreciates you very much, Harry Eton. They

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Speaker 1: look forward to checking out the end and scale on

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Speaker 1: CNN All Access. But I have that correctly this time.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's zoom out now from these state wide

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Speaker 1: elections and talk about the broader national trends. I've seen

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Speaker 1: you do some some of your of your now patented

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Speaker 1: sendnature graphics on CNN talking about how Donald Trump's second

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Speaker 1: term popularity is historically low at this point in a

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Speaker 1: second term. But you also had a recent semm in

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Speaker 1: where you described Congressional Democrats's popularity as being lower than

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Speaker 1: the dead Sea, a clip that we actually played on

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Speaker 1: Thursday show, right here on the Josh Hammer Show. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is what's happening, Harry? Basically that Americans

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Speaker 1: hate everyone? I mean, is that essentially what's happening is

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Speaker 1: that are we yearing up for a midterm fight next

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Speaker 1: fall and potentially dare I say even twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: but at least a midterm fight for now that's basically

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Speaker 1: a battle of who is less unpopular?

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Speaker 3: Or is that how you see it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 6: And I should note I basically make all my graphics

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Speaker 6: by by hand. We have, you know, we have a

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Speaker 6: little bit of a template, but I'm going in there

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Speaker 6: every night with my producer making those by hand. So

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Speaker 6: I appreciate the patent and graphic that's actually true. Here's

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Speaker 6: what I would say yes, to some degree. It's a

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Speaker 6: battle of you know, who is less well liked. You

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Speaker 6: look at the generic battle, I think, you know, part

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Speaker 6: of that segment, the sort of tail end of it,

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Speaker 6: kind of gets to what I think is most important here,

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Speaker 6: which is Democrats are ahead on the generic ballot, but

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Speaker 6: they're head by four. They're head by four that is

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Speaker 6: significantly less by their lead at this point in either

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump's first term or George W. Bush's second term

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Speaker 6: back in two thousand and five, the last two times

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Speaker 6: we had a Republican presidents heading into a midterm election,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's notable, right, especially given those special

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Speaker 6: election results. And I think the question is why, given

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Speaker 6: where Donald Trump's you know, net approval rating is being underwater,

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Speaker 6: and I think it can in large part be attributed

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Speaker 6: to the fact that Democrats themselves are not that well liked.

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Speaker 6: I think it's also partisanship is even stronger than it's

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Speaker 6: really ever been, even during Trump's first term.

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Speaker 2: I think that's playing role.

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Speaker 6: But I do think the fact that Democrats are not

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Speaker 6: all that popular is definitely hurting them.

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Speaker 2: I think the question is the question.

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Speaker 6: Is whether or not there's almost a mirage going on

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Speaker 6: that is when people actually go out and vote, whether

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Speaker 6: that will show up on election date.

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Speaker 2: That didn't show up on election day in Virginia and

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Speaker 2: New Jersey.

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Speaker 6: But I can't dismiss that it won't show up on

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Speaker 6: election day come twenty twenty six. And that's why, you know,

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Speaker 6: as I think I said in that segment, you know,

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Speaker 6: sort of hold the foam for a second, pump the brakes. Yes,

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Speaker 6: Democrats are favored, but it's not a sealed done deal

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Speaker 6: at this point.

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Speaker 1: And is the is the trumdministration struggling in the approver

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Speaker 1: rings now because of the economy. I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: that is our working thesis on the show. I mean

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Speaker 1: we think it's the WHLD Jimmy Carvell, it's still the

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Speaker 1: e commy stupid kind of thing. And there was a

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Speaker 1: Maris College Paul this week. The show's Americans have a

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Speaker 1: thirty six percent approval rating of Trump's handley on the coming.

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Speaker 1: The reason that I pause is because a lot of

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Speaker 1: the macroeconomic metrics are really not that ban actually, but

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that that is the lowest hanging

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Speaker 1: fruit as to what could explain the fact that the administration

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Speaker 1: still has these these lower approver rings. Is that your

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Speaker 1: thesis as well?

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Speaker 6: I think so, I wouldn't overcomplicate it too much, right,

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: Related to the economy is trade and tariffs, which you

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Speaker 6: know people are certainly making that connection, and his approval

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Speaker 6: rating on trade in tarris is very similar to his

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Speaker 6: ratings on the economy.

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Speaker 2: I would go a little bit deeper.

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Speaker 6: I'd say, you know, it's the cost of living the

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Speaker 6: president doesn't, you know, He's said many things about affordability,

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Speaker 6: but you look at the inflation, you know, approval ratings

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Speaker 6: for Trump, and they're not good. Now, I will note

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Speaker 6: that CPI, you know, the Consumer Price Index, you know,

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Speaker 6: comes out earlier this week, and it shows that inflation

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Speaker 6: actually had dropped, you know, year over year versus where

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Speaker 6: we were in September. It is actually dropped from where

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Speaker 6: we were in January. But the truth is the prices

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Speaker 6: are so high still compared to where we were four

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Speaker 6: years ago, four or five years ago, that I think

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Speaker 6: that there's just this great voter frustration and perception can

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Speaker 6: often become.

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Speaker 2: Reality pretty gosh darn quickly.

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Speaker 6: You see that employment rate rising, obviously not a historically

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Speaker 6: high lightlevels or anything close to that.

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Speaker 2: But certainly rising.

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Speaker 6: And I think you just put it all together in

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Speaker 6: kind of a blender and it just becomes this just

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Speaker 6: this sort of situation where the voter, the American populace,

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Speaker 6: feels like they can't catch a break. And some of that,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think can be assigned to Trump insofar

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Speaker 6: as I said, you know, the trade and the tariffs,

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Speaker 6: but much of it can't be. And you know, this

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Speaker 6: is something we called it. My colleague Dave Goldman called it.

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Speaker 6: I think the wind chill economy, which is it feels

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Speaker 6: worse than it actually is, right, And I do think

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Speaker 6: that that is definitely true to some extent. But again,

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Speaker 6: in politics, perception is reality, and right now the perception

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Speaker 6: is is that the economy ain't so good. And and

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Speaker 6: pollie after pol who's more responsible the economy? Joe biden Er,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, while the buck stops with the man in

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Speaker 6: the office, it's Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Accordingly, Yeah, right, I mean, whether it's fair or unfair,

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Speaker 1: and I personally do think it's technically speaking mostly unfair,

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Speaker 1: made on mostly unfair. But you know, he hasn't present

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Speaker 1: now for almost to year, and if Americans are not

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Speaker 1: feeling the success, they're going to blame the guy behind

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Speaker 1: the resolute desk. I mean, that's kind of just the

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Speaker 1: way it works. And you know what we've said in

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Speaker 1: the show over and over again is you know, the

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Speaker 1: metrics might be what they are, the stock market might

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Speaker 1: be reaching all time highs now still on like a

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Speaker 1: weeklier monthly basis, but if the people aren't feeling it,

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Speaker 1: then you still do have to empathize them and kind

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Speaker 1: of and kind of emphasize that this whole economic thing

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Speaker 1: is still a work in progress. So I hope to

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Speaker 1: see a little more of that move where we've seen

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Speaker 1: someone that already. To be clear, he did have some

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Speaker 1: lines to that effect in his nationally televised speech on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday evening, but perhaps a little more where that came

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Speaker 1: from would be nice. I want to ask you this, though, Harry,

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Speaker 1: because we're kind of comparing now the trumpministration their second

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Speaker 1: term with these middle improved ratings, with the catastrophically and

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Speaker 1: popular congressional Democrats, getting away from the area of apprower rating,

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Speaker 1: kind of talking more about the two parties' brands right

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Speaker 1: now in general, who do you think has the bigger

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Speaker 1: brand problem at this time in the year. As we

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Speaker 1: appros twenty twenty six. Do you think it's the trust

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Speaker 1: there are Republican Party you already think it's the current

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Speaker 1: iteration of the Democratic Party, which has the biggest, bigger

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Speaker 1: brand problem with the American people at large.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think there are two ways you can kind

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Speaker 6: of break it down, right, which is within their own party.

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Speaker 6: The Democratic Party is a mess. There's no clear leader

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Speaker 6: of that party. There's a reason why you look at

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Speaker 6: the you know, the presidential polling heading in the twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty six and while Gavin Newsom has certainly made a

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Speaker 6: name for himself in twenty twenty five, and you know,

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Speaker 6: you look at the prediction markets and you can see

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Speaker 6: he's the favorite now though so well south of fifty percent.

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Speaker 6: You look at the national polling, he has certainly elevated

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Speaker 6: his game, but no one really is north of twenty

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Speaker 6: percent often times. And that means there's not anywhere close

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Speaker 6: to being a clear front runner. And that makes it

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Speaker 6: the weakest Democratic Party, at least internally in terms of

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Speaker 6: leadership since you know, essentially Bill Clinton back in nineteen

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Speaker 6: hundred and ninety two, you look, you know, we were

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Speaker 6: mentioning the Democrats sort of approval rating one of the

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Speaker 6: big reasons why Congress Democrats have a low approviating is

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Speaker 6: the plurality of their own party disapproved at least in

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Speaker 6: that Quinnipiac University poll.

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Speaker 2: And you see it, you know, sort of over and

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Speaker 2: over and over and over again.

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Speaker 6: You know, I go, for example, to you know, New

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Speaker 6: York's tenth district if I'm recalling my numbers correctly, and

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Speaker 6: you know, Dan Goldman, who is a prominent voice on

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Speaker 6: you know, cable news circuits. You know, what was it,

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Speaker 6: one of the lead investigators or lawyers during the Trump

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Speaker 6: one Trump impeachment trial.

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Speaker 2: He's in a real fight.

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Speaker 6: He's in a real fight against Brad Lander, who you know,

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Speaker 6: of course, is the outgoing New York City controller who

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Speaker 6: ran for mayor.

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Speaker 2: I dare say Goldman might be an underdog. That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't happen unless there is a clear problem within

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Speaker 6: within your own party. Okay, So I think that's part

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Speaker 6: of it. The other part of it is, you know,

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Speaker 6: look independence in that Quinnipiac University poll, what are we

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Speaker 6: talking about. We're talking about fifteen percent approval. I think

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Speaker 6: the net approval rating was something like minus sixty one.

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Speaker 6: If I'm remembering my segment correct, And there's a reason why,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think Democrats are seen this weak to

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Speaker 6: you know, the Republican strength, and there's a reason why.

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Speaker 6: You look at the polling and yeah, now Democrats seem

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Speaker 6: to have jumped to a very small marginal lead on

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Speaker 6: costs of living. But if your lead is like five points,

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Speaker 6: I think it was four in the average, and Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump's net approval rating on cost of living is something

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Speaker 6: like thirty points underwater, and the best you can do

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Speaker 6: is lead by six. I mean that to me indicate

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Speaker 6: it's a pretty gosh darm bad brand problem. Now that

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Speaker 6: might not be enough to hurt Democrats too much to

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Speaker 6: keep them from getting control of the House in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty six, but it could be enough to keep their

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Speaker 6: gains down to a lower level, and you might expect,

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Speaker 6: given Trump's approval rating, and more than that, I think

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Speaker 6: it's going to be very interesting to see how they

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Speaker 6: address it going into twenty twenty eight. Look, twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: eight is a long, long long time away. But you

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Speaker 6: know what, I've found that at my elder age, that

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Speaker 6: that years tend to go by faster and faster and faster.

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Speaker 1: You know, as they say, Harry, especially now our dargest

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Speaker 1: turn one years old. It's the days that feel like

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Speaker 1: they go on for a very long time. The days

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Speaker 1: last forever, but the years just fly by. And that's

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Speaker 1: very much the sentiment that I feel. I think you

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Speaker 1: feel that way sometimes as well. So twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 1: is a very very long ways away. But I can't

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Speaker 1: help myself. You probably can't help yourself out of there.

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Speaker 1: I do want to at least touch on a little bit,

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Speaker 1: so you know. On Thursday night, Erica Kerk Trolie kers

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Speaker 1: Widow leading off Turning Point USA's Amfest conference, essentially formalizing

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Speaker 1: that Turning Point USA is going to be galvanizing towards

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Speaker 1: trying to elect Jdevans in twenty twenty eight. Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, similarly saying earlier this past week,

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Speaker 1: as he has reiterated numerous times that if Jdevance does run,

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Speaker 1: then he's not going to get involved again. Maybe Marco

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Speaker 1: has to say that, but he is viewed as as

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Speaker 1: the likeliest challenger to JD.

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Speaker 3: Evans.

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Speaker 1: Now, I am not personally anti Jdvans. On the contrary,

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Speaker 1: I actually is probably one of the earliest opinion columnists

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Speaker 1: to write a column in early twenty twenty four encouraging

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Speaker 1: to become the vice presidential nominee. I've known JD personally

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Speaker 1: for a long time. I am not anti JD. Evans,

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Speaker 1: but the point that I'd meet on the show is

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying the inevitability. I'm just not buying it

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Speaker 1: if you look at it at his own approval ratings,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the fact that the vice president

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Speaker 1: is by definition tied and tethered to the President Harry,

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Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of Kamala Harris and the

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Speaker 1: struggles that she had trying to distance herself from the

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Speaker 1: unpopular parts of the Biden president. She really couldn't do

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Speaker 1: it right. And if the trudministration continues to be unpopular,

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Speaker 1: which as a partisan, as a conservative, I hope that

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Speaker 1: they're not, But if that does continue, it can very

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Speaker 1: easily see a world in which Jade Vans struggles similarly

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Speaker 1: to distance himself as Kamala Harris did. So does that

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Speaker 1: resonate with you? Does that make sense or do you

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Speaker 1: view JD. Evans as being inevitable at this particular juncture.

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Speaker 6: Inevitable is a strong word. Strong word. I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 6: I think there are almost two things you said there

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Speaker 6: and one. And the reason I say that is there's

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Speaker 6: the primary electorate, and then there's the general election electorate.

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Speaker 6: And at this point and again we'll see where they are.

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Speaker 6: I have an old friend who will playfully mock me

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Speaker 6: for saying at this particular time in segments, but that's

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Speaker 6: what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: You got to do it right.

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Speaker 6: At this particular time, Donald Trump is while he may

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Speaker 6: not be nearly as popular for Republicans as he once was,

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Speaker 6: at least when it comes to the strongly approved ratings,

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Speaker 6: his approval rating of Republicans is still what eighty five ninety.

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Speaker 6: I find it tough to believe that come primary time

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty eight, that JD. Vans will be hurt, at

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Speaker 6: least to any great degree for his ties to Trump

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Speaker 6: among the Republican electorate. Okay, that doesn't mean that in

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Speaker 6: the general election it won't hurt him. It may hurt

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Speaker 6: him from getting the ultimate prize that is the presidency, which,

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Speaker 6: of course, assuming he runs, is what he's after. But

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Speaker 6: I don't think it will necessarily hurt him in the primary.

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Speaker 6: And I'll throw a few stats out at you. You know,

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Speaker 6: right now, you look at the early primary polling and

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Speaker 6: you see nationally that jd Vance is what about fifty

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Speaker 6: percent in the average poll, depending on which poll you

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Speaker 6: look at. There are very very few people going back

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Speaker 6: since we elected nominees through primaries who are at that level.

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Speaker 6: I think, really Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, a little bit

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Speaker 6: later on, George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush, a little bit later on Bob Dole ninety six.

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Speaker 6: Those were the people who were hitting that mark, and

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Speaker 6: more than that, had forty plus point leads over the competition,

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Speaker 6: and they all won their party's nomination. Now, the sample

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Speaker 6: size here is small, it is small all but it's

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Speaker 6: large enough to say that JD Vance is a clear,

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Speaker 6: my mind, heavy favorite. I think right now the prediction

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Speaker 6: markets have them at a fifty percent chance around there

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Speaker 6: of being, yeah, being the nominee. I think that's probably low.

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Speaker 6: I think it's probably close to the seventy five to

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Speaker 6: eighty at this point. Again, that's not inevitable, it's not inevitable,

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Speaker 6: but to me, that is, you know, that's a that's

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Speaker 6: pretty close to a runway runaway train, and more than that,

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Speaker 6: as you noted in your intro to this part of

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Speaker 6: our lovely dialogue together and it's been a wonderful time.

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Speaker 2: I hope that the listeners and viewers have joined with

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Speaker 2: us in our love life.

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Speaker 3: Sure they have.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they have that.

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Speaker 6: To me, this just strikes me as at this point

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Speaker 6: something that is more likely than not going to happen,

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Speaker 6: and we'll just have to wait and see. But you

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Speaker 6: can't beat somebody with nothing. And who is going to

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Speaker 6: run against him if it's not Rubio, maybe it's your

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Speaker 6: old friend Ted Cruise. I don't know, but it looks

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Speaker 6: to me like JD. Vance. There's a reason why he

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Speaker 6: should be regarded as a heavy favorite.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, no, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was looking at those same predicted market

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Speaker 1: polls recently myself. I saw JD around fifty f fifty

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Speaker 1: five percent, I said in this show, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was actually anything at this juncture, given the administration's popularity issues,

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Speaker 1: anything slightly too high. To be honest with you, but

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Speaker 1: I hear you a lot and clear here line clear, alav.

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Speaker 1: It just depends on whether or not a Rubio, for instance,

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Speaker 1: would even throw his hat in the ring in the

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Speaker 1: first place.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, there's a lot of factors that are kind

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Speaker 1: of just outside of of our easily foreseeble future. Real quick, Harry,

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Speaker 1: before I let you go. And it has been a

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Speaker 1: lovely conversation. By the way, ill I will emphasize that

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Speaker 1: I have to turn the tables to talk about Democrats

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. Is there any particular individual whose name

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Speaker 1: is currently being floated, whether it's a Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure who else is being mentioned at

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Speaker 1: this point, honesty, the Alexandroo cosy Ortez, I mean, anyone

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Speaker 1: else who Joshapiro whose name is being floated that strikes

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Speaker 1: you as being more formidable on a national level than

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Speaker 1: the others.

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Speaker 2: When we say national level, we talk in primary general election.

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Speaker 3: I think in general election.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, Josh Shapiro, in my mind, is the

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Speaker 6: most formidable in a general election. I think he's well

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Speaker 6: on his way to easily winning reelection for a second

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Speaker 6: term in Pennsylvania. He obviously crushed Doug Mastriano back in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty two. He was the only Democrat state why

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Speaker 6: when he was the attorney general who was able to

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Speaker 6: win reelection back in twenty twenty obviously wide in one

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Speaker 6: at the top of the ticket, but Shapiro even outran him,

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Speaker 6: which is very tough to do in a presidential year,

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Speaker 6: you know, because normally the races are so polarized. So

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Speaker 6: you know, he's from the ultimate swing state, right, He's

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Speaker 6: from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I do still believe ideology matters.

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Speaker 6: There is a bit of a debate within political science

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Speaker 6: how much it matters. But you know what, I'll take

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Speaker 6: the point or two each and every day of the

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Speaker 6: week given out closer elections are so to me, he

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Speaker 6: strikes me as the most formidable in a general election.

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Speaker 6: Home state advantage, moderation, good electoral track record. Whether he

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Speaker 6: can ever get past the primary field, that's that that

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Speaker 6: to me as a whole whole of the question. Uh.

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Speaker 6: And we'll just have to wait and see where the

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Speaker 6: Democratic Party is in two years time.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna be a long two years, but very fun.

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Speaker 1: In two years, I know that I will be paying

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Speaker 1: very close attention to your own patented, your own hand

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Speaker 1: creative sounds graphics on CNN over the course of these

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Speaker 1: next two years. Harry, you are a gentleman and a

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Speaker 1: quasi skoll or, much as I can clad Joan Scoll,

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Speaker 1: You're a gentleman in a quasi skoll. You can follow

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Speaker 1: Harry on x at forecast or enter and make sure

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Speaker 1: to check out his new show, The endin Scale at

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Speaker 1: CNN All Access. I got it correctly, see and streaming

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Speaker 1: at all Access. There you go, okay, well I kind

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Speaker 1: of sort of got it correctly this time.

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Speaker 2: I got there. You're you're You're fine. You're fine, Harry Eton,

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Speaker 2: You're you can just google it. That's good.

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Speaker 1: You can google The endin Scale, Harry, You're you're a

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Speaker 1: longtime friend, wishing you a oneful end of your Hanakah holiday.

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Speaker 3: Stop by against him.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good, my friend, A pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 1: And now it's time for our weekend review Hammertime segment.

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Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbert the Director of National Intelligence. She's explaining how

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Speaker 1: intelligence analysts were previously spending fifty percent of the time

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Speaker 1: furthering DEI initiatives in order to be considered for promotion

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Speaker 1: within the office of the DNI. You can't make this

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Speaker 1: stuff up. Go ahead and watch, Tulsa Gabbert.

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Speaker 7: I heard from some folks who are careerists in the workforce,

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Speaker 7: saying that they had to dedicate fifty percent of their day,

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Speaker 7: fifty percent of their time towards promoting DEI initiatives. We

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Speaker 7: saw people who embraced it wholeheartedly, to the point where

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Speaker 7: they're saying, hey, look, you can't have people who happen

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Speaker 7: to be Caucasian intelligence analysts going and doing work in

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Speaker 7: places like the continent of Africa because their white privilege

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Speaker 7: will taint their bias, so they cannot be objective intelligence

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Speaker 7: and as insanity and how disrespectful to those professional analysts

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Speaker 7: who've dedicated their life to this craft. In other cases,

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Speaker 7: we had people reporting examples of intelligence professionals driving in

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Speaker 7: to work every day, parking their truck in the parking

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Speaker 7: garage and being reported for extremism because they had don't

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Speaker 7: tread on me stickers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so told you, Garet.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about the explosion of DEI within the bureaucracy

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Speaker 1: of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. This

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Speaker 1: is what Donald Trump was broughn to office to do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there absolutely has been a war on white men. There's

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Speaker 1: actually an amazing essay this past week at Compact magazine,

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Speaker 1: the magazine that was initially founded almost four years ago

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Speaker 1: by Matthew Schmitz, who was still there and so Mari

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Speaker 1: who is not there a wonderful essay talking about how

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Speaker 1: so called DEI is really just anti white, especially anti

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Speaker 1: white male racism, which, by the way, who could have

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Speaker 1: told you that, Oh, I don't know who saw that

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Speaker 1: one coming?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this and like a million others.

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Speaker 1: So DEI is toxic is the reason that the trudministration

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Speaker 1: among the reason that the Truminstration came into power in

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Speaker 1: the first place. There and Tolsy Gabbert is rooting it

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Speaker 1: out at the office of the d and I by

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Speaker 1: the way, speaking of rooting out DNI. Another piece that

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Speaker 1: was published just a week ago or so at the

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Speaker 1: Spectator of the Bridge publication by doctor J. Bacharia and

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Speaker 1: Matthew Memerley talking about how they cured DEI at NIH,

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Speaker 1: at the National Institutes of Health. There were all sorts

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Speaker 1: of mission creep there, the explosion of DEI really working

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Speaker 1: its way, argues doctor J. Bacharia, who was a COVID

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Speaker 1: skeptical doctor out at Stanford prior to the Truminstration, and

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Speaker 1: now he is back in the second time there as

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Speaker 1: the head of NIH. Jabachari talking about how DEI had

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Speaker 1: managed to creep into all aspects of the NIH including

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Speaker 1: hiring practices, promotion, ten year employee training, performance reviews. There

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Speaker 1: it's all racist. It's all racist, it's all evil, and

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Speaker 1: it all has to end. It's really not that complicated,

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Speaker 1: you know. Frankly, Look, I don't work in the government,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of this should have been done within

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Speaker 1: the first week or two, and I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of actually was within the first week or two, which

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Speaker 1: is why that you have Tulcy Gabbert J. Bochari who

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Speaker 1: are now currently taking victory laps and explaining frankly, how

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Speaker 1: they did it. The problem is that what's done by

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Speaker 1: executive order can be rescinded by executive worriers. You're going

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Speaker 1: to need some more binding Office of Legal Counsel opinions

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Speaker 1: when it comes to DOJ that will bind the constitut

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Speaker 1: interpretation of one administration from one to the other, and

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Speaker 1: also more binding US Supreme Court case as well. That, frankly,

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Speaker 1: is what is what we need. Finally, white men are

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Speaker 1: currently being urged to file discrimination claims in an anti

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Speaker 1: dei escalation, so the federal agency known as the EEOC,

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Speaker 1: the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The chair of the EEOC,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Lucas, said on X earlier this month that the

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Speaker 1: EEOC is quote committed to identifying, attacking limiting all race

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Speaker 1: and sex discrimination, including against white male employees and applicants. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: if you take the definition of racism that it was

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Speaker 1: universe accepted until the Black Lives Matter George Floyd revolution

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Speaker 1: five and a half years ago, was by the time

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Speaker 1: racism meant that you had animus because of someone's race

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Speaker 1: against someone else. They try then to redefine racism to

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Speaker 1: include this element of structural hierarchical power, that you can't

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Speaker 1: be racist unless you're actually part of the oppressor class,

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Speaker 1: which conveniently allows black racist people who are black but

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Speaker 1: a race against white people. It allows them come to

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Speaker 1: get off the hook. And that's kind of the whole

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Speaker 1: point there. Thankfully, it looks like the Trump era EOC

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Speaker 1: is trying to restore the actual definition of racist, which

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Speaker 1: really never should have been done away with in the

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Speaker 1: first place.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff all around.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to Jay Bachario, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Tulsey Gabern, when it comes to the chair of the

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Speaker 1: EOC as well, Andrea Lucas.

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