1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: For years they told you the black box couldn't be breached. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: They lied. Today, my guest has the testimony of two 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: government whistleblowers who didn't just see the corruption, they say 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: they helped build the system. We aren't talking about glitches. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: We are talking about a specific backdoor in the code. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: It's seventy two nations that flip outcomes. Ralph Pizzulla is here. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: He's going to show you exactly what they've found inside 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: the machine. Don't blink. There are bad guys and gals 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: actors around this world that would like to decide who 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: is going to be in charge of any individual any 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: given country. I think, and you can verify if I'm 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: right or wrong in a minute, but I think this 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: is a globalist push to have a one world order, 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: to have one place, maybe in Davos, that controls everything. 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: And you can't do that if you've got freedom and 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: liberty and a constitution in a place like the United States. 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: Am I in to something there or not? 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: You're absolutely on the mark. There is a criminal cartel 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: of our enemies that has been conspiring against us and 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: controlling our elections for nineteen years. 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: We're standing in the way right, We're standing in the 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: way of one governance led by some cabal controlling all 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: of us. Right, it's the United States that's stopping. 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: Them, that's correct, and we're on the edge. It's a 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: very dangerous situation. 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: You got a four year investigation. Where do you start 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: on an investigation like this where you know everybody around 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: the world, the loudest voices in the richest pockets are 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: going to say, this guy's nuts, this guy's wrong, this 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: guy should be arrested, this guy should be censored. Where 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: do you start in an investigation like that to keep 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: it above board and above approach? 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: Okay, well I wrote the book. It's based on the 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: investigation by two government whistleblowers. Gary Bernson, who was one 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: of the most highly decorated CIA officers in recent history. 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: He's the man who put together the teams that went 37 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: into Afghanistan after nine to eleven and had the Taliban 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: defeated within weeks and had been a lot trapped in 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Tora Bora. And the other man is a Venezuelan investigator 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: very well used a lot by the deea called Martin 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: Rodel and they came across this mark, this conspiracy Joe. 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: When they were investigating the Cartel del Solis in Venezuela. Now, 43 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: the Cartel del Solis is the biggest transnational criminal organization 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: in history. It's run by the Venezuelan military and their 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: primary the biggest drug dealer in the world. And they 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: were investigating them in the early two thousands when they 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: were recruiting sources within the group, and that these sources 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: started to tell them that they were also involved in 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: election fraud. Now, how this started was in two thousand 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: and four, Hugo Chaves, who was the elected leader of Venezuela, 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: the military dictator if you will, he faced a referendum 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: from the Venezuelan people and as Cuban patrons, he was 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 2: very closely tied to Fidel Castro in Cuba. They told 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: him that he was going to lose the referendum and 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: he and they and he asked them, well what do 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: I do? And they said, well, there's this new system 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: of electronic voting machines and maybe if you get some 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: guys who were experts, they can put together software that 59 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: can be used to steal the election. So they hired 60 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: three event Azuela in computer engineers experts from graduates of 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: Simon believe our university, which is their equivalent of MIT. 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: These gentlemen put together as software and they installed it. 63 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: There weren't there's no such thing as voting machines at 64 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: the time, but they installed it in Olavetti touchscreen banking machines, 65 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: and they were they the Venezuelans voted on these machines, 66 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: and they using this software, they were able to steal 67 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: the referendum for Hugo Chavis in two thousand and four. 68 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: Hugo Chavis and Fidel Castro were extremely pleased, and they 69 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: gave these three gentlemen, these three engineers, two hundred million dollars. 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: One said, perfect your system, and let's try it in 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: elections in Latin America. 72 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: Well, Ralph, I got to stop you there. So I 73 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure I understand. The people of Venezuela 74 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: voted on banking machines. They weren't voting on voting machines. 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: In the beginning in two thousand and four, there were 76 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: no such thing as voting machines, so that they were 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: touchscreen banking machines. 78 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you something I think is an 79 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: obvious question. If you said, hey, a Joe, who do 80 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: you think might have the ability and the technology to 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: possibly affect an election like this. I would say China, 82 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I would say Russia. I wouldn't say Cuba. 83 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Cuba is a mess. I wouldn't say Venezuela. Mea, how 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: is it? And maybe I'm naive to how deep this goes? 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: But how is it that Cuba that has been a 86 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: disgusting pit since nineteen fifty nine? How is it that 87 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: Venezuela that I mean, you have a complete Marxist fascist 88 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: takeover by Chavez and then by Maduro. How are they 89 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: able to muster the technology? As you said, there is 90 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: an n MIT like the Boulevard University. I get it, 91 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: I understand that. But again, maybe I'm naive to how 92 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: smart these people are. But I would not think Cuba 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: and Venezuela were in the head. 94 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: Of this well. Cuba has probably the most sophisticated intelligence 95 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: service in the Western Hemizon, really one of the most 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: sophisticated ones in the world. They have made tremendous penetrations 97 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: of the art intelligence service and working together with the Venezuelans. Now, 98 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: Venezuela is a tremendously wealthy country. I don't think many 99 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: people realize that they have the highest oil reserves in 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: the world, and that their population is certainly the elites 101 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: are very well educated. The education system is up until 102 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: recently was very high quality. And so they were able 103 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: to hire these three gentlemen, these three engineers, and they 104 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: put together this software which has been perfected over the 105 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: years with the help of Chinese technicians Iranian technicians. This 106 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: is a very sophisticated operation. People don't realize, but it's 107 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: been in place since two thousand and four and it's 108 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: been perfected along the way. The first times they used 109 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: it were, like I said before, we're in Latin America. 110 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: We're in the beginning. In the early two thousands, you 111 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: saw a series of leftist leaders elected in Latin America 112 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: that were surprising. They were not expected to do as 113 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: well in the polls as they did, and you saw 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: people like Evo Morales elected in Bolivia, Doniel Ortega in Colombia, 115 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: and so on and so forth, and sort of political 116 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: observers of these countries just assume that there was sort 117 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: of this kind of left groundswell that was rising through 118 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: the population. Well, what was really happening is that they 119 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: were using these machines that were stealing the elections that 120 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: were tipping them in favor of these leftist candidates. They 121 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: then incorporated this company using the same software. They incorporated 122 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: this company in the United States. It's called Smartmatic. It 123 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 2: was incorporated in Boca Raton, Florida, and they started running 124 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: elections in the United States. They started getting contracts. They 125 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: hid by hiding the Venezuelan origins of the company. They 126 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: did all this sort of corporate shenanigans in shell game, 127 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: and they were able to The first election that they 128 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: ran in the United States was the Democratic primary in 129 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight in Cook County, Cook County, Illinois, 130 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton, of course, 131 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: was a very well known person at the time. She'd 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: been the first lady, she'd been a Democratic the senator 133 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: from New York, so she was much favored in that primary, 134 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: and they were able to for Barack Obama, thereby launching 135 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: his presidential nomination in two thousand and eight. Hugo Chavis 136 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: said to one of his top aides, who was a 137 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: security director at the time, and we know this gentleman 138 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: because he's a friend of ours now, he told him. 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: At the time, he said watch me, I'm going to 140 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: elect the first black president of the United States. 141 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: Wow, it is Ralph Pazzilla. Look at this book called 142 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: Stole an election to the takedown of democracies worldwide. So 143 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: am I to understand you right? That before two thousand 144 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: and six the globe had not seen voting machines at all. 145 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, why did we accept them 146 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: so openly Because it's the shiny thing, it's new technology 147 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: and must work. Why did we trust them so quickly? 148 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: It was You're perfectly right, Joe. It was new technology. 149 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: It kind of streamlined the process, and people at the 150 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: time thought that that technology was, you know, couldn't be 151 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: hacked and was perfectly safe. The opposite was true. Actually, 152 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: the system was created by these three engineers with at 153 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: least fourteen back doors in it. It was basically created 154 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: to steal elections. In fact, when they went to California 155 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: and they applied to the state to use their machines 156 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: in state elections in two thousand and seven, the California 157 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: the California Secretary of State appointed a group of experts 158 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: computer engineers from Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, etc. And they came 159 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: back with a report that said this software is garbage. 160 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like it was actually created to 161 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: steal elections. And so their application and was rejected in California. 162 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: That was during the reign of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. A 163 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: few years later, Jerry Brown, a Democrat, was elected governor 164 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: of California, and they applied again and they won the contract, 165 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: and up until today, smart Matic still runs elections in 166 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: Los Angeles County, which is the most important county in 167 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: California and the most populous. 168 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: It's almost the most important county in the country. To 169 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: be honest with you, it is. It's Ralph Pazzila. Go 170 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: to Ralphazzilo, author dot com. Ralph Pasila, author dot com, 171 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: and it's pez z U L l O. Get this book. 172 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: It's called Stolen Elections. Let's let's talk about how they 173 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: do it. And you and I aren't building computer I 174 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: built some computers, but I'm not a software guy. I 175 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. I'm guessing the experts that you 176 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: had who did this this research, they've got the actual 177 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: evidence technologically, what are they doing Because it's not like 178 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: one wins by you know, one hundred million votes. No 179 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: one wins by a little bit over here, when's by 180 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: a little bit over there, and somehow at the end 181 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: of the day, Biden's got eighty million votes. Just hypothetically, 182 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm throwing a Biden's name out there. So how does 183 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: it work specifically. 184 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is a very sophisticated operation, Joe. There are 185 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: hundreds of engineers involved when they steal these elections, and 186 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: they plan it one year ahead of time. So if 187 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: you have a presidential election coming up, they start working 188 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: one year ahead of time. The software has migrated to 189 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: different election companies in the United States. It's primarily a 190 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: company called Dominion. They control most of the key swing 191 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: state districts in the United States. And so what happens 192 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: is that a year ahead of time and they when 193 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: they get when they win the contracts to run elections 194 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: in these districts, they take over what's known as the 195 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: poll book. So they have all the voting data in 196 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: their hands and they know who's voted for what party, who, 197 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: who's dead, who rarely votes, et cetera, et cetera. And 198 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: so they start they start with statisticians and from there 199 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: and they start to plan, Okay, in order to tip 200 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: the election, you know, where do we go what districts, 201 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: how do we shave votes in a particular district or not? 202 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: And they have various tools at their disposal. They have 203 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: mail in votes, they have the software that they can 204 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 2: use at the end to steal as many votes as 205 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: they need. And then these machines, although they're not supposed 206 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: to be, they are connected to servers, and the servers 207 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: are linked to the main server which is in Serbia 208 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: that is controlled by China by using by their company Huawei, 209 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: which we've heard of. Yes, they create a virtual tunnel, 210 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: so there's nothing physically that you can see. It's like 211 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: a cloud, and they do the steal there and they 212 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: manipulate the numbers the way they want them and then 213 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: they beam them back to the machines in the unit 214 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: in the particular districts in the United States. And that's 215 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: the result that that is recorded, that that is that 216 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: is publicized right and when you when you look back, 217 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: when you try to to to trace how the votes were, uh, 218 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: it's impossible to trace because they disappear the virtual tunnel, 219 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: the virtual apparatus where this where this steel takes place. 220 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: And and also the other part of it is is 221 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: they control the audit companies as well. So this is 222 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: a very very sophisticated operation. Like I say, it started 223 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: in Venezuela, but quickly the Chinese got involved. They put 224 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: a lot of money into it and a lot of expertise. 225 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: The machines, the voting machines themselves are the parts are 226 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: made in China. They're sent to Taiwan where they're assembled 227 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: so they can put made in Taiwan stickers on them 228 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: right their ship to the United States, and then they're 229 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: loaded with software that is owned by Venezuela. They still 230 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: own it. They've they've they've thoroughly disguised the corporate ownership 231 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: very cleverly. But you know, we have the source code 232 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: in our and our possession and we can prove all 233 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: of this. We have proved it to the Justice Department 234 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: and they've been investigating it. 235 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: It's Ralph Pazuloh. Go get the book called Stolen Elections. 236 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a couple of questions before we continue. 237 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: You've mentioned dominion, you've mentioned spartmatic. Yes, you don't seem 238 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: to have a problem mentioning them. Is there any hesitation? 239 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: Do you fear they're going to sue you for eight 240 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: hundred million? 241 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: Dollars. 242 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: Do you have the goods on them that? Like, you 243 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: would love to have discovery with them if you could. 244 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean, where are you on that, because you're naming them. 245 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. We would love to have discovery with them, 246 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: and they would not They would not like that at all. 247 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we would You have no fear of saying 248 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: the names of the companies? 249 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all. So Gary and Martin part of 250 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: their criminal investigation, and these guys are expert, you know, 251 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: criminal investigators. What they did is they went out and 252 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: they recruited engineers, statisticians and other members of the company 253 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: of these companies in Venezuela. And these guys are working 254 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: for us and have you know, talk to the Justice 255 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Department and the FBI, and everything has been corroborated, so 256 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, we've got the goods on them. 257 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: You've been out for a while talking about this book 258 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: of this investigation you're on with our friend Laura Logan, 259 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: which was awesome. You see that she's actually interviewing one 260 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: of the people that you just mentioned, Martina. Believe yes, 261 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: and this is going to continue. But I'm guessing most 262 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: people will shy away from you. I won't because you're 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: saying it and you can back it up, but most 264 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: people will shy away from you. Have you been contacted 265 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: by any lawyers from these companies? Has anybody at network said, 266 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: we're not going to touch with the ten foot poll, 267 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: We're afraid of the lawsuit. Where what's the status of 268 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: you getting this word out? Which is word you say 269 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: you can back up one hundred percent. 270 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: It's been difficult. We haven't I have heard from the 271 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: lawyers from Smartmatic, Gary and I both did about a 272 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: year ago. Haven't heard anything from them since. Actually, some 273 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: of the leaders of Smartmatic I have already been indicted 274 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: by the Department, but we have had a lot of 275 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: resistance in the media. 276 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I would expect that. Let me ask you this, would 277 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: we have had a president Chavez, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela 278 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: without this. 279 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, if they didn't have the technology through the 280 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: banking machines that they used first to adjust the results 281 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: of an election, would Chavez have continued as the president 282 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: of Venezuela. 283 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: Would Maduro have been elected? 284 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: No? Not at all. 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Now back to 301 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: the interview. 302 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: And a lot of people in Venezuela who watch elections, 303 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: who are opposition candidates that they're very well aware of this. 304 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: I believe we're to the party and uh and and 305 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: also there's a tremendous there's been a tremendous amount of 306 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: collusion in our country because these countries and these companies 307 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: have a tremendous amount of money. The Venezuelans, like I said, 308 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: their oil reserves are the greatest in the world. And 309 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: then the Cartel de Souls, which is run by their military, 310 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: generates something between two and three million dollars a year 311 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: in profit. So you know, their resources are tremendous, and 312 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: they have and we have also found that they have 313 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: they have paid off many officials here in the United States, 314 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: and that investigation is ongoing. 315 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: It is that Ralphezzila get this book called Sotal Elections 316 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: The take Down of Democracies Worldwide. Very very simple question. 317 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: I think if this were happening, and if they were, 318 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that it's not, the investigation I'm 319 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: sure shows that you did send me the book. I've 320 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: never read the book yet. If this is happening, why 321 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: did why did Trump win this time? 322 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: Well that's a good question, Joe. Actually we ended up blocking, 323 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: well not me, but but white hat engineers and hackers 324 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: ended up blocking, shutting down the servers in Serbia in 325 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: twenty and November twenty twenty four. That's the only president 326 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: Trump was elected president because they were trying to steal 327 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: it for Kamala Harris, and we could see. 328 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: That you now have a friendly DJ. Are you talking 329 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: to them? Are these investigators talking to them? Are they 330 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: going to do something? Can we get rid of these 331 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: stupid machines in our elections? So maybe we're going to 332 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: have a fair and free election. 333 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 2: We are very impatient. They have had this information for 334 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: a year, like I said, they have tested it, they 335 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: have everything that's been corroborated. In fact, the Interior Minister 336 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: of the of Chavis's regime is currently in Rikers Island, 337 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: currently in New York in jail, and we have interviewed 338 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: him as well, and he has corroborated everything. He said. 339 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: He actually had a smartmatic monitor on his desk that 340 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: would show the steal of elections in real time. So 341 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: the DOJ, the FBI, they know all this. They've subpoena people, 342 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: they're issuing indictments, but they're very slow, and of course 343 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: we are very frustrated. But we hear that indictments will 344 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: be coming out soon. 345 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Ralph Pazzulo Ralph Pazzulo, author dot com. Get the book. 346 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: It's called Stolen Elections. It is Is it your opinion 347 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's based on fact Is everything that 348 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: you're saying is based on factors. I don't think you'd 349 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: be saying it if you didn't have it backed up. 350 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: Is it your opinion that we're going to find out 351 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: that the result of the twenty twenty election was questionable 352 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: at best? 353 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: Well? Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it was no question about it, 354 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: and we can prove that. 355 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: You got the technology to prove it. 356 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: We have the engineers, We have the engineers who helped 357 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: who helped do this, so they know how they did 358 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: it from district to district. And like I said, it 359 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: was a complicated situation because they don't do it the 360 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: same every time. They do everything they can't to hide 361 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: their fingerprints. 362 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: Is it death by a thousand cuts? Is it a 363 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: little bit of a few votes over here, a few 364 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: thousand over there? Nobody's really gonna notice if there's a 365 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: swing like there was a there was a district or 366 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: a county in Michigan, historically conservative county. I can't think 367 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: of the name of it starts with an A. And 368 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: in that county they had a seven thousand vote switched 369 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: to Joe Biden in twenty twenty, and then the clerk 370 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's my fault, the minimus take it 371 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: pressed the wrong button. Was that part of what you're 372 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: talking about? 373 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's they do it differently everywhere. For example, 374 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: like in one district in Colorado that was a heavy 375 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: report publican district and where the cities were blue. Instead 376 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: of adding votes to the cities, what they did is 377 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: they went into all the red districts and they shaved 378 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 2: off votes, you know, a few thousand here, a few 379 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: thousands there. So those districts ended up being, you know, 380 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: not as strong of republican as they were expected to be. 381 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: So they were still republican, but just not as republican. 382 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: That's right. So it was hard to notice. You just 383 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: figured like, oh, it's funny, you know, we expected them 384 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: to do a little bit better, but they didn't, and 385 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: so they sort of escaped scrutiny. But like I said, 386 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: there are hundreds of engineers that are involved in this. 387 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: There's a center it's called the Conseiljo Nacional Electoral in Caracas, 388 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: which is the headquarters. And so when they have an election, 389 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: there are thousands, hundreds and thousands of engineers from Iran, 390 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: from from China, from Cuba, from Venezuela, even Russia. They're 391 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: all there performing different tasks, and it's and it's all coordinated. 392 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: This is a coordinated attack. The good news is it 393 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: is not there are people. Let me say this, it's 394 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: not political in terms of our politics. These are foreign 395 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: enemies who are made at their business. You know, their 396 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: goal to destabilize the United States, and one of the 397 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: tools that they're using is election electronic voting machines. 398 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: Well, or if I want to say this, I think 399 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: it is political, I'm going to disagree a little bit 400 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: because I think half the country is okay with it. 401 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: I think half the country would have done anything to 402 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: stop Donald Trump and winning at twenty four. I know 403 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: that half the country was okay with ninety one indictments 404 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: against the guy that we're all bogus. So as much 405 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: as I agree these are enemies Iran and China and 406 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: Venezuela and Cuba, I we're down the list. I agree 407 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: with you. Anybody who is a good, you know, America 408 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: loving citizen would would not like those bad guys to 409 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: get any sway here. But as you said, suddenly Jerry 410 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: Brown's okay with the machines that were rejected by Schwarzenegger. 411 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: Why is that because Jerry Brown wanted to win and 412 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: because he wanted the left or this progressivism or this 413 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: Marxism to take over. So I think it is political 414 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: because there's one side that wants to see a sea 415 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: change in a one world order in this country. The 416 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: other side is fighting it. I think I don't know if 417 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's why I feel I don't disagree 418 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: with you. 419 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: The point I'm trying to make is that this is attack, 420 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: an attack on our whole country. Yes, right, it's they manipulate, 421 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: They like us to be divided. Yes, And they put 422 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: a lot of money to Venezuela and China behind the 423 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: movements that we've seen crop up in the last you know, 424 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: ten years, Black Lives Matter, the whole trans movement, you know, 425 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: the migrant explosion, movements that like that, that are that 426 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: are you know, troubling every community. A lot of it 427 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: is not organic. It is funded by China and Venezuela, 428 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: and like I said before, they have tremendous resources, and 429 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: they they're not They're clever. They do it through all 430 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: kinds of NGOs. Now, let me tell you one other thing, Joe, 431 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: that's very troubling is that when Elon Musk when they 432 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: when those started looking at the federal budget, one of 433 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: the one of the departments that they looked at was 434 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: a I D. Right, Well, when they looked in ai D, 435 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: they found something called SEPs. STEPS stands for the Consortium 436 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: for Elections and Politic Political Politics Strengthening, very strange name. Well, 437 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: what STEPS turned out to be was it was giving 438 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: millions and billions of dollars in grants to organizations like 439 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: Smartmatic and Dominion to prom promote their software to other 440 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: countries around the world through our US embassies. And it 441 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: turns out that there are now seventy two countries around 442 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: the world that are also infected with this software that 443 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: is designed to steal elections. So our government, our taxpayer 444 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 2: money was sort of used to promote this this software 445 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: to other countries in the world. And that's a big problem, 446 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: and that's one of the reasons that USAID was dismantled. 447 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: Ralph, why do you think an entity like Fox News 448 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: gives up almost eight hundred million dollars to settle that suit? 449 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: But why do that? Was this information notine known? It's 450 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: a news organization, they can go on the same facts 451 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: that you have, okay. 452 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 2: Well, this was another very clever thing that they did, 453 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: because that the whistleblowers went to Fox News at that 454 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: time and they said, hey, we'll give you all the 455 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: information that we've discovered, and we'll even share our sources 456 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: with you or the experts who committed the fraud that 457 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 2: committed to steal in a lot of these elections. And 458 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: the Fox News lawyers said no, no, we're okay, and 459 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 2: they ended up settling for seven hundred and something million 460 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: dollars something like that. Right, where did that money come from? 461 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: That's the question I asked, where did that money come from? 462 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: I don't believe it came from Fox News. And it 463 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: was also a very clever way to shut down the 464 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: media from looking into this at all, because everybody was 465 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: scared off, right, and we're still facing that like this 466 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: should be a major, major news story. One it's still 467 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: one of the biggest, right and we're fighting for attention, 468 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 2: and a lot of the mainstream media won't touch it 469 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: at all because their lawyers say you're going to get sued. 470 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: Well, we'll touch it here because you're the person who's 471 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: saying the stuff, and you can back it up with 472 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: the information for the investigation, and I'm glad that you 473 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: got the backbone to do it. It's Ralphezzulo, author dot 474 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: com go get the book called Sole Elections, The Takedown 475 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: of Democracies Worldwide. When I saw Venezuela that raid go 476 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: on and that we arrested the leader of the Cartel 477 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: Dela Solis, Maduro and his wife, I thought to myself self, 478 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: this is about drugs. Yeah, let's stop the drugs from 479 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah. This is about getting the oil companies 480 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: back what they least and what they owned and what 481 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: they made, what they built there. This is about being 482 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: fair to that. This is about the people of Venezuela. 483 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: They deserve free and fair elections. The last guy won 484 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: by seventy thirty. Yet Maduro said no, no, I won. 485 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: But I also thought to myself, because I've been in 486 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: this business a long time, Ralph, this is about the 487 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. Do you agree? 488 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: Yes, the raid it is. But the troubling part is 489 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: they took out Maduro and his wife, right, they arrested them, 490 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: and I commend them for that, but they left the 491 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: Cartel del Solis intact. In fact, Rodriguez and her brother 492 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: Jorge Rodriguez. They're two of the top people in the cartel. 493 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: They'll sol this and then the corrupt left this government 494 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: that controls Venezuela. So they didn't really do the job 495 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: they it was cosmetic. But so far they haven't. You know, 496 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: these people are still in charge, they're still dealing drugs. 497 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: They haven't dismantled the election. Uh software around the world. 498 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: The Trump administration has to go farther further than this, 499 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: and the American people have to demand that the good 500 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: first step. But it's only a first step. 501 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you. Delcia Rodriguez is the wrong person. 502 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: She's the number two, she's the vice president Behamaduro. I'm 503 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: sure she's involved in the cartel as well, obviously, but 504 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't like take out the leader and 505 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: then so let's do an election tomorrow. It's my hope 506 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: that they're going to say, we're going to do an election. 507 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: It's going to be in person voting, it's going to 508 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: be no machines whatsoever. Let's get a real leader in Venezuela. 509 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: I think if you do that, the people of Venezuela 510 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: will rise up and say we're not gonna let this 511 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: crap ever happen again. If you just say she's the 512 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: boss for the next four years, you're right. That country 513 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: is screwed and we didn't change anything. I mean, you're 514 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: you're not in this business. But maybe do a little 515 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: predicting for me. Do you think that what I just 516 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: said is going to happen. We'll have free and fair 517 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: elections and a real leader can be chosen for Venezuela. 518 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Then we can dis middle the apparatus that you're talking about. 519 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: I hope. So, I don't think it's that easy, Joe. 520 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say that, but I think the apparatus, 521 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: it's it's so powerful. Uh. It's a country of drug 522 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: run by a drug cartel that is the biggest criminal 523 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: organization in the world. They control they call that they 524 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 2: liken themselves to the costco of drugs, so they can 525 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 2: throw all the networks from Bolivia and Peru where it's 526 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: where where the coca leaves have grown. They control all 527 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: the labs in Colombia, and they control the cartels in Mexico, 528 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 2: and you know, like the cineloic artel basically works for them. 529 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: And they also export a lot of drugs to Europe 530 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 2: and UH, and through the has the Lah into the 531 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: Middle East. So this is a this is a global 532 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: problem and a very powerful thing. And I think just 533 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: removing two people is not going to take them down. 534 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: I hear you. 535 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that we're moving the two people though on 536 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: a brighter side, maybe a more of a glass half full. 537 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Guy tells the people of Venezuela. We can and we 538 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: will again if we have to. 539 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: Hopefully. Yeah, definitely a strong message. I agree with you. 540 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Yes, hopefully we're on the right track there. Let me 541 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: finish with this, and I really appreciate the time. I appreciate, 542 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: as I said, you're backbone, because this is brave. These 543 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: people if they really believe that what you're saying is 544 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: incorrect and wrong, in defamatory and all that would have sued. 545 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: You're already and it's been a year that's very interesting 546 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: to me. We've got the midterms coming up, where if 547 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: the Democrats get control of the House, they're going to 548 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: impeach Trump every day. Yes, where are these questionable machines, 549 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: the machines that you're questioning? Where are they now? Are 550 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: they all over this country? Can something happen? Let me 551 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: just follow up with this, and I don't want you 552 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: to go for as long as you need to. Are 553 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: you worried about what's going to happen in November? Do 554 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: we have time between now and then to dismantle this 555 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: operation so that we actually do see fair results in November? 556 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure. I'm very worried about it, Joe. 557 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: I think that there's a possibility Trump, the President, has 558 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: talked about issuing an executive order that bans all voting 559 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: by voting machines and voting machines software in elections in 560 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: the United States. I don't know if he can do that, 561 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: And the plan and the hope is that he and 562 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: he's talked about this as well, turning to paper ballots 563 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: with and requiring IDs for voting. That's the only way 564 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: defect to defeat this system. 565 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Well, they can do that if you had a backbone 566 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: in the Senate. The Senate could literally get rid of 567 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: the filibuster and do photo ID today. They can do 568 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: voting ID today. But they're afraid because I think food 569 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: is very weak. But it's interesting that you said about 570 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: the executive order, just because of my knowledge of the constitution, 571 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: he can't do that. In the Constitution, it says the 572 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: state legislatures will set up how elections are done. I 573 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: wonder is there a way you can think of where 574 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: he could say legally, yeah, I'm not getting in the 575 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: middle of the election, other than you can't use these 576 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: machines that are questionable. You think he can do that? 577 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: I think. I think that's what they're thinking of doing. 578 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure it will be very controversial. I think what 579 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: what I kind of prognosticate is that before that they 580 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: release a lot of this information that we that we 581 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: have found, and they release it to the public and 582 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: and and and require you know, like a Senate uh 583 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: special committee, investigative committee to sort of go over all this, 584 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: all these findings, and then on the back that you know, 585 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: try to unite the country, but uh, you know, spell 586 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: out the danger and how we have been infiltrated by 587 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: the by these criminal cartels, and how that there's a 588 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 2: need to change the electoral system in this country. Because 589 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: I think if he just tried it now, he would 590 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: get tremendous opposition. 591 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: I agree it is does this investigative information, all this 592 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: evidence that was found, does that reside right now the 593 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: d o JA, Does Pam BONDI have it? 594 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: Does she know it's all there. Yes, it's all there. 595 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: They've they've they've the FBI has has looked into everything. 596 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: They have they have interviewed the witnesses that that we 597 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 2: were put put forward, and they have corroborated everything. And 598 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 2: other members of the the criminal cartel who have defected 599 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 2: to the United States have also corroborated all this information. Uh, 600 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: it is it is real. It is absolutely real. 601 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: Ralph Bazilla got his books Total Actions. It's out now, 602 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: the takedown of democracies worldwide. Let me finish with this. 603 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: There is this game that's being played right now. The 604 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Supreme Court actually just ruled that candidates can question accepting 605 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: ballots up to two weeks after an election. Is that 606 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: involved in all of this at all? You get the 607 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: result of the election an election day, and suddenly we'll 608 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: accept your ballots for seven or ten days or fourteen 609 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: days afterwards, and the end result is the result that 610 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: some hierarchy you want it somewhere else. Is the is 611 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: the whole I'll accept your ballot for as long as 612 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: we need to. Is that all part of this too? 613 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: Or not? Yes? It is? Yeah, the whole system. You 614 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 2: know it is not you know it is slap dash 615 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 2: a system. It is not carefully regulated. It is not 616 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: carefully you know, watched you know, we have to do 617 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: better than this. It is, you know, the cornerstone of democracy. 618 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 2: It is the way that you know, people express who 619 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: they want their leaders to be and what they want 620 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: them to focus on. And we can't have it being 621 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 2: run by technology that is that is exported from overseas 622 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: and using machines that are made in China. I mean 623 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: that that is not worthy of a country like the 624 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 2: United States, you know. I mean all citizens have to 625 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: unite behind that and demand that it be run you know, 626 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 2: professionally and up to up to the highest standards. 627 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: Well, I think they will rally behind that if they 628 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: have the information. Right now, they don't have the information. 629 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: That's where we're trying to get it out there. It's Ralphezzulo. 630 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: We get the books told an election to take down 631 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: of democracies worldwide. Let's leave it at that. I want 632 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: to talk to you again because I have the feeling 633 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: that in the next months and possibly close to a year, 634 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: but right before the election, a lot of this is 635 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: going to come to the surface because it has to. 636 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: Trump is unafraid to say elections,