1 00:00:08,165 --> 00:00:13,045 Speaker 1: Life audio, and my prayer was, if that's what's best 2 00:00:13,045 --> 00:00:16,405 Speaker 1: for my son now, then please bring that on and 3 00:00:16,445 --> 00:00:19,365 Speaker 1: help me bear it. Yes, but if I go down 4 00:00:19,445 --> 00:00:21,804 Speaker 1: in this fight, let me go down, not on my 5 00:00:21,884 --> 00:00:25,445 Speaker 1: knees to Hollywood trying to do what Hollywood so they want. 6 00:00:25,765 --> 00:00:27,925 Speaker 1: Let me go down with my flag flying, fighting for 7 00:00:28,005 --> 00:00:28,725 Speaker 1: what I believe. 8 00:00:35,485 --> 00:00:40,485 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm here with a very special individual, Randall Wallace. 9 00:00:41,045 --> 00:00:43,284 Speaker 2: I know you've seen his movies. Even if you're not 10 00:00:43,365 --> 00:00:45,405 Speaker 2: aware of who he is yet, you will be after 11 00:00:45,445 --> 00:00:48,084 Speaker 2: we talk a little bit. But one of my favorite 12 00:00:48,085 --> 00:00:51,125 Speaker 2: films of all time, it's my top ten, is Braveheart. 13 00:00:51,485 --> 00:00:54,525 Speaker 2: Here's how I know a movie is one of my favorites. 14 00:00:54,565 --> 00:00:57,045 Speaker 2: If I'm flipping the channels on the TV and that 15 00:00:57,085 --> 00:01:00,045 Speaker 2: movie comes on, even though I've seen it, maybe though 16 00:01:00,205 --> 00:01:03,525 Speaker 2: I've even downloaded it, I'll watch it because I like 17 00:01:03,565 --> 00:01:06,525 Speaker 2: it so much. Braveheart is clearly one of those movies. 18 00:01:06,885 --> 00:01:11,405 Speaker 2: When it came out, it won ten Academy Awards, including 19 00:01:11,804 --> 00:01:15,205 Speaker 2: Best Picture, Best Director that was Mel Gibson directing it, 20 00:01:15,645 --> 00:01:20,164 Speaker 2: and Best Screenwriting. And that's where Randall Wallace comes in. 21 00:01:20,245 --> 00:01:23,245 Speaker 2: You're the screenwriter of Braveheart, and more than that, really 22 00:01:23,245 --> 00:01:27,205 Speaker 2: it was your vision and your dream from the very beginning, 23 00:01:27,325 --> 00:01:29,125 Speaker 2: wasn't it? Yes? It was. Yeah. 24 00:01:29,245 --> 00:01:33,605 Speaker 1: I was trying to find my family history. And my 25 00:01:34,285 --> 00:01:38,045 Speaker 1: wife was pregnant with our first first son, and she 26 00:01:38,405 --> 00:01:43,685 Speaker 1: has ancestors who were Latter Day Saint Mormons, and so 27 00:01:43,725 --> 00:01:46,125 Speaker 1: she knew all of her family genealogy, and I didn't 28 00:01:46,125 --> 00:01:46,964 Speaker 1: know any of mine. 29 00:01:47,045 --> 00:01:47,245 Speaker 2: Wow. 30 00:01:47,685 --> 00:01:51,325 Speaker 1: And we went to Scotland and walked into Edinburgh Castle 31 00:01:52,325 --> 00:01:56,165 Speaker 1: and there on one side of the entrance was a 32 00:01:56,205 --> 00:01:58,645 Speaker 1: statue of William Wallace. On the other side was Robert 33 00:01:58,645 --> 00:01:59,005 Speaker 1: the Bruce. 34 00:01:59,045 --> 00:02:02,365 Speaker 2: Did you know about William Wallace that I'm not? I 35 00:02:02,405 --> 00:02:04,165 Speaker 2: don't think a lot of people knew about him until 36 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:04,845 Speaker 2: this film came out. 37 00:02:04,885 --> 00:02:10,205 Speaker 1: Honestly, it was bizarre to me that I'm an American 38 00:02:10,685 --> 00:02:15,525 Speaker 1: just deeply fascinated by history named Wallace, and I'd never 39 00:02:15,565 --> 00:02:18,285 Speaker 1: heard of this man. I said to one of the 40 00:02:18,325 --> 00:02:22,325 Speaker 1: guards there, who's this Wallace? And he said, our greatest hero. 41 00:02:23,245 --> 00:02:26,445 Speaker 1: And I was elbowing the pregnant wife, greatest hero, honey, 42 00:02:27,725 --> 00:02:30,525 Speaker 1: And I said to him, was he an ally of 43 00:02:30,605 --> 00:02:32,925 Speaker 1: Robert the Bruce? Because I knew about Robert the Bruce, 44 00:02:33,405 --> 00:02:37,285 Speaker 1: and I knew the Bruce was Scotland's greatest king. And 45 00:02:37,325 --> 00:02:41,085 Speaker 1: I said, so were they allies and fighting the English? 46 00:02:41,085 --> 00:02:44,245 Speaker 1: And he said no one will ever know for sure. Wow, 47 00:02:44,405 --> 00:02:47,645 Speaker 1: which are the magic words for a writer. But our 48 00:02:47,725 --> 00:02:51,165 Speaker 1: legends say that Robert the Bruce may have been one 49 00:02:51,165 --> 00:02:53,405 Speaker 1: of those who betrayed William Wallace to clear it away 50 00:02:53,445 --> 00:02:56,605 Speaker 1: for himself to be king. That was like I had 51 00:02:56,685 --> 00:03:00,565 Speaker 1: heard that Judas and Peter were the same individual. I 52 00:03:00,885 --> 00:03:03,485 Speaker 1: started to think, what if there was something so noble 53 00:03:03,805 --> 00:03:06,925 Speaker 1: about the life and death of William Wallace that that 54 00:03:07,085 --> 00:03:11,205 Speaker 1: was what transformed Robin de Bouse from being someone who 55 00:03:11,245 --> 00:03:15,805 Speaker 1: would betray his country's greatest hero right and of becoming 56 00:03:15,965 --> 00:03:19,925 Speaker 1: the greatest king. And that to me was a story 57 00:03:19,965 --> 00:03:20,645 Speaker 1: for all times. 58 00:03:20,645 --> 00:03:23,525 Speaker 2: So my last name is Laurie, and it's a Scottish name. 59 00:03:23,805 --> 00:03:26,085 Speaker 2: We have a clan, we have a coat of arms, 60 00:03:26,645 --> 00:03:31,325 Speaker 2: and so my father, Oscar Laurie, adopted me and I 61 00:03:31,405 --> 00:03:33,125 Speaker 2: was with him as a young boy. My mom was 62 00:03:33,125 --> 00:03:35,285 Speaker 2: married in divorce seven times. She was one of her 63 00:03:35,325 --> 00:03:37,645 Speaker 2: seven husbands, so she left him when I was a kid. 64 00:03:38,085 --> 00:03:41,645 Speaker 2: I reconnected with him later in life and was able 65 00:03:41,725 --> 00:03:44,725 Speaker 2: even to lead him to the Lord. But so he 66 00:03:44,805 --> 00:03:47,445 Speaker 2: wanted to tell me the family history. He said, there's 67 00:03:47,485 --> 00:03:51,765 Speaker 2: two very famous people in our line of Laurie. One 68 00:03:51,845 --> 00:03:54,725 Speaker 2: is Annie Laurie. And funny enough, I knew about her 69 00:03:54,765 --> 00:03:58,325 Speaker 2: because I had an Orange Create label that said Annie Laurie, 70 00:03:58,365 --> 00:04:00,125 Speaker 2: so I was aware of Anni Laurie. Then he said 71 00:04:00,125 --> 00:04:03,405 Speaker 2: William Wallace, and I had never heard of him, and 72 00:04:03,445 --> 00:04:06,965 Speaker 2: I noted it. Oh, William Wallace in Okay, And I 73 00:04:06,965 --> 00:04:09,325 Speaker 2: didn't do any research on William Wallace, and Brave Feart 74 00:04:09,405 --> 00:04:13,005 Speaker 2: came out and going, wait, that's William Wallace. So through adoption, 75 00:04:13,845 --> 00:04:18,404 Speaker 2: I'm connected to William Wallace and that movie. It's just 76 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:22,685 Speaker 2: it's a phenomenon. I mean, it impacted Scotland. There are 77 00:04:22,725 --> 00:04:25,485 Speaker 2: tourists today that go there exclusively to go to the 78 00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:29,045 Speaker 2: spots where battle scenes happened to learn more about him. 79 00:04:29,045 --> 00:04:31,885 Speaker 2: And that is really because you explored this character. But 80 00:04:31,965 --> 00:04:34,085 Speaker 2: we'll get into that in the moment. But of course 81 00:04:34,125 --> 00:04:36,605 Speaker 2: you've been involved in so many movies. You wrote the 82 00:04:36,645 --> 00:04:40,765 Speaker 2: screenplay for Pearl Harbor, you wrote the screenplay and directed 83 00:04:41,165 --> 00:04:44,205 Speaker 2: The Man in the Iron Mask. Yes, Leonardo DiCaprio and 84 00:04:44,325 --> 00:04:49,885 Speaker 2: John Malkovich and others. You also wrote this screenplay for Secretariat. 85 00:04:49,925 --> 00:04:53,005 Speaker 2: Did you direct that as Oh. I directed that as well. 86 00:04:53,205 --> 00:04:56,245 Speaker 2: Heaven Is for Real? Right, Yes, you wrote the screenplay 87 00:04:56,285 --> 00:04:59,045 Speaker 2: for that and directed that as well. And then We 88 00:04:59,045 --> 00:05:04,485 Speaker 2: were Soldiers. You directed that, correct, starring Mel Gibson, and 89 00:05:04,605 --> 00:05:07,045 Speaker 2: wrote the screenplay for that. And we're going to talk 90 00:05:07,085 --> 00:05:10,045 Speaker 2: about what you're working on now, but just this incredible 91 00:05:10,125 --> 00:05:14,205 Speaker 2: body of work. But coming back to Braveheart for a moment. 92 00:05:14,765 --> 00:05:16,885 Speaker 2: So you told me that you went there with your 93 00:05:16,925 --> 00:05:19,445 Speaker 2: wife and you began to explore this story. But I 94 00:05:19,485 --> 00:05:23,285 Speaker 2: think it was like ten years later it actually happened, right, 95 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:26,525 Speaker 2: that's right. Why Why did a decade pass before this 96 00:05:26,765 --> 00:05:28,645 Speaker 2: really became a project? 97 00:05:29,365 --> 00:05:33,445 Speaker 1: You know, there are many ways to try to answer 98 00:05:33,445 --> 00:05:37,005 Speaker 1: that question. The way I say it is that God 99 00:05:37,085 --> 00:05:41,085 Speaker 1: had to prepare me. I knew it was an incredible story, 100 00:05:41,965 --> 00:05:45,045 Speaker 1: and I knew I had to write it, but I 101 00:05:45,085 --> 00:05:48,605 Speaker 1: didn't feel ready. And I also I had a baby 102 00:05:48,645 --> 00:05:52,325 Speaker 1: coming and I didn't have a real solid means of 103 00:05:52,485 --> 00:05:55,085 Speaker 1: making money. So I knew I had to see to 104 00:05:55,205 --> 00:05:58,925 Speaker 1: that first, right, And in seeing to that, and I 105 00:05:59,005 --> 00:06:01,525 Speaker 1: began to work in television and I began to make 106 00:06:01,605 --> 00:06:06,605 Speaker 1: money and I got economically repaired, but then I had 107 00:06:06,605 --> 00:06:10,325 Speaker 1: to get spiritually prepared. So when people will say to me, 108 00:06:10,405 --> 00:06:13,844 Speaker 1: where did brave Heart come from? The best anecdote I 109 00:06:13,885 --> 00:06:19,645 Speaker 1: can tell is that I was sailing along my first 110 00:06:19,645 --> 00:06:22,565 Speaker 1: son was born, and then the second came along. I 111 00:06:22,605 --> 00:06:26,445 Speaker 1: had a long term contract with a television company. They 112 00:06:26,525 --> 00:06:30,445 Speaker 1: guaranteed me a really wonderful income for years into the future, 113 00:06:31,125 --> 00:06:33,485 Speaker 1: and so we bought a new home and spent all 114 00:06:33,525 --> 00:06:36,325 Speaker 1: of our savings remodeling it because we figured we had 115 00:06:36,365 --> 00:06:38,485 Speaker 1: money coming in and it was only a one time thing. 116 00:06:38,525 --> 00:06:41,645 Speaker 1: We're going to build this home and make it right 117 00:06:41,725 --> 00:06:44,565 Speaker 1: for the family. And as soon as all of our 118 00:06:44,605 --> 00:06:47,925 Speaker 1: savings were gone, there was a writer strike, which I 119 00:06:47,965 --> 00:06:51,845 Speaker 1: had not expected, and it went on and on, and 120 00:06:52,805 --> 00:06:56,485 Speaker 1: I began to break down. I began to nod up 121 00:06:56,525 --> 00:07:00,885 Speaker 1: so much. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat, couldn't write. 122 00:07:01,005 --> 00:07:05,445 Speaker 1: And when I was the same age as my sons were, 123 00:07:05,765 --> 00:07:08,565 Speaker 1: had a nervous breakdown, and I had seen that happen, 124 00:07:08,605 --> 00:07:11,645 Speaker 1: and it was the most terrifying experience of my wife 125 00:07:11,685 --> 00:07:14,725 Speaker 1: and me. Was the best man I ever knew, the 126 00:07:14,765 --> 00:07:18,525 Speaker 1: most confident, the most loving and caring. But he had 127 00:07:18,565 --> 00:07:21,325 Speaker 1: been on his own since he was fourteen, and he 128 00:07:21,365 --> 00:07:24,325 Speaker 1: had lost his job and was having trouble finding another woman. 129 00:07:24,445 --> 00:07:27,685 Speaker 1: He just came apart, and I was afraid I was 130 00:07:27,725 --> 00:07:30,885 Speaker 1: going to put my sons through the same thing. I 131 00:07:30,925 --> 00:07:33,405 Speaker 1: had nowhere else to go except on my knees. I 132 00:07:33,485 --> 00:07:38,725 Speaker 1: said this prayer, and my prayer was, Lord, what matters 133 00:07:38,805 --> 00:07:41,205 Speaker 1: most to me right now is my sons. I know 134 00:07:41,325 --> 00:07:42,885 Speaker 1: my wife's going to be all right. I know I'm 135 00:07:42,885 --> 00:07:44,725 Speaker 1: going to be all right, no matter what I have 136 00:07:44,805 --> 00:07:46,925 Speaker 1: to crawl through. You know what broken glass I have 137 00:07:47,005 --> 00:07:48,965 Speaker 1: to crawl through now. But it looked like we were 138 00:07:48,965 --> 00:07:52,085 Speaker 1: going to lose our home all of in my career. 139 00:07:52,245 --> 00:07:54,045 Speaker 1: I was going to have to go do something else. 140 00:07:55,045 --> 00:07:58,205 Speaker 1: But my prayer was, what matters is my son's And 141 00:07:58,285 --> 00:08:01,965 Speaker 1: maybe they'll grow up to be better men if instead 142 00:08:02,005 --> 00:08:04,285 Speaker 1: of living in a house with all the bedrooms and 143 00:08:04,325 --> 00:08:08,325 Speaker 1: the bathrooms and tennis court, they'll grow up in a 144 00:08:08,325 --> 00:08:11,405 Speaker 1: little house like one without indoor plumbing. Because my sister 145 00:08:11,445 --> 00:08:13,845 Speaker 1: and I lived that way when our father was sick. 146 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:17,485 Speaker 1: We were farmed out to relatives were in Tennessee. We 147 00:08:17,525 --> 00:08:18,845 Speaker 1: lived in a place with no. 148 00:08:19,805 --> 00:08:22,525 Speaker 2: To the pump dutch or water or well or. 149 00:08:22,645 --> 00:08:26,485 Speaker 1: Yeah, they they they had they had water in the kitchen, 150 00:08:27,045 --> 00:08:30,125 Speaker 1: but the toilet was an outhouse, which is not uncommon 151 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:34,165 Speaker 1: in those days in Tennessee. But we were way out 152 00:08:34,165 --> 00:08:37,005 Speaker 1: in the country and you know, fights in school every 153 00:08:37,045 --> 00:08:39,005 Speaker 1: day and all of that. It was, it was. It 154 00:08:39,045 --> 00:08:42,445 Speaker 1: was a hard time, but a wonderful time in a way. 155 00:08:43,005 --> 00:08:45,445 Speaker 1: And I and my prayer was, if that's what's best 156 00:08:45,485 --> 00:08:49,085 Speaker 1: for my son, then please bring that on and help 157 00:08:49,165 --> 00:08:52,005 Speaker 1: me bear it. Yes, but if I go down in 158 00:08:52,005 --> 00:08:54,645 Speaker 1: this fight, let me go down, not on my knees 159 00:08:54,685 --> 00:08:57,405 Speaker 1: to Hollywood trying to do what Hollywood so they want. 160 00:08:58,165 --> 00:09:00,365 Speaker 1: Let me go down with my flag flying, fighting for 161 00:09:00,405 --> 00:09:02,725 Speaker 1: what I believe. And I stood up and went back 162 00:09:02,765 --> 00:09:05,005 Speaker 1: to my desk, and that led directly to Brave Heeart. 163 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:08,525 Speaker 2: Wow. Not all movies stand the test of time. Some 164 00:09:08,965 --> 00:09:11,485 Speaker 2: it seems like they become better. Maybe it's because you 165 00:09:11,565 --> 00:09:14,365 Speaker 2: compare them to other movies that have come and gone, 166 00:09:14,405 --> 00:09:18,525 Speaker 2: even movies that have swept the awards and they're forgotten. 167 00:09:18,605 --> 00:09:21,045 Speaker 2: But then there's other movies that maybe didn't even win 168 00:09:21,085 --> 00:09:23,564 Speaker 2: an award. In this case, Brave Far won many, but 169 00:09:24,725 --> 00:09:28,125 Speaker 2: they just they hold up and maybe even the message 170 00:09:28,125 --> 00:09:32,845 Speaker 2: of them resonates more strongly in modern times. And when 171 00:09:32,845 --> 00:09:35,565 Speaker 2: it first came out, I feel Bravefart certainly is a lovia. 172 00:09:35,685 --> 00:09:38,325 Speaker 2: I watch it all the time. I've downloaded it, I 173 00:09:38,365 --> 00:09:41,324 Speaker 2: watch it, I rewatch it. I'm just so moved by 174 00:09:41,365 --> 00:09:43,684 Speaker 2: the whole story, everything about it. It seems like every time 175 00:09:43,725 --> 00:09:45,645 Speaker 2: I watch it, I see something new. Maybe I hadn't 176 00:09:45,685 --> 00:09:50,485 Speaker 2: noticed before, but just so well cast, and the music amazing, 177 00:09:50,565 --> 00:09:55,485 Speaker 2: and obviously the dialogue and everyone when they quote Braveheart 178 00:09:55,565 --> 00:09:59,245 Speaker 2: of course, you know, quote mel shouting out when they're 179 00:09:59,245 --> 00:10:00,684 Speaker 2: torturing him freedom. 180 00:10:00,965 --> 00:10:03,365 Speaker 1: You know that's the best line of dialogue in the 181 00:10:03,365 --> 00:10:05,045 Speaker 1: whole movie. Yeah, Freedom. 182 00:10:05,525 --> 00:10:08,365 Speaker 2: Is there something you were trying to say as you 183 00:10:08,445 --> 00:10:11,685 Speaker 2: put that movie together? Or was it just following the 184 00:10:11,765 --> 00:10:14,444 Speaker 2: narrative of the life of William Wallace or was there 185 00:10:14,485 --> 00:10:16,765 Speaker 2: something you're saying, I want to this is a theme 186 00:10:16,805 --> 00:10:19,125 Speaker 2: from his life. I think that the audience needs to 187 00:10:19,125 --> 00:10:19,685 Speaker 2: be aware of. 188 00:10:20,205 --> 00:10:23,885 Speaker 1: I think it was as much as anything, it was 189 00:10:24,405 --> 00:10:27,645 Speaker 1: me trying to find what I needed, to be aware 190 00:10:27,685 --> 00:10:32,324 Speaker 1: of what I most needed. So it's personal, absolutely, and 191 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:36,445 Speaker 1: in fact, honestly, Greg, when I finished it, I had 192 00:10:36,525 --> 00:10:38,485 Speaker 1: no sense that anyone in the world was going to 193 00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:39,565 Speaker 1: like it except me. 194 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:43,365 Speaker 2: How interesting do you feel that way with every movie 195 00:10:43,365 --> 00:10:44,405 Speaker 2: you were every screenplay. 196 00:10:44,405 --> 00:10:47,845 Speaker 1: You're right, there is an element of that. The best 197 00:10:47,885 --> 00:10:52,285 Speaker 1: ones are always are not. Oh, I think they'll like this, 198 00:10:52,365 --> 00:10:54,804 Speaker 1: though I don't particularly like it. I mean, I think 199 00:10:55,005 --> 00:10:58,565 Speaker 1: that's the road to hell. It's this gives me joy. 200 00:10:58,965 --> 00:11:01,245 Speaker 1: The surprise is made. That's the biggest thing to me 201 00:11:01,365 --> 00:11:06,165 Speaker 1: is God surprises. When God shows up, it's a surprise. 202 00:11:06,325 --> 00:11:08,685 Speaker 2: Well, I feel that William Wallace, and the way you 203 00:11:08,685 --> 00:11:11,685 Speaker 2: were telling this story in my interpretation, was a christ 204 00:11:11,805 --> 00:11:14,765 Speaker 2: like figure. Oh yeah, I mean when he's laying there 205 00:11:14,805 --> 00:11:16,845 Speaker 2: and they're torturing them, you can't help but think of 206 00:11:16,885 --> 00:11:19,685 Speaker 2: the cross, right, and you look at this man who 207 00:11:19,805 --> 00:11:23,325 Speaker 2: laid his life down and sacrifice his life for his nation. 208 00:11:24,165 --> 00:11:27,005 Speaker 2: But of your I'm sure all your films are like 209 00:11:27,125 --> 00:11:27,804 Speaker 2: children to you. 210 00:11:27,805 --> 00:11:29,765 Speaker 1: You probably loved them all, yes, but that's right. 211 00:11:29,805 --> 00:11:32,005 Speaker 2: But if you were to look at all the Randall 212 00:11:32,085 --> 00:11:35,565 Speaker 2: Wallace films that you've either directed or written a screenplay 213 00:11:35,605 --> 00:11:37,645 Speaker 2: for it, you have a favorite, like this is my favorite? 214 00:11:37,805 --> 00:11:40,725 Speaker 1: I don't, honestly, and I think about that. I do 215 00:11:40,805 --> 00:11:45,325 Speaker 1: think about that sometimes there are But in your analogy 216 00:11:45,365 --> 00:11:50,285 Speaker 1: of children is exactly right. You only have one oldest, 217 00:11:50,325 --> 00:11:52,405 Speaker 1: you only have one youngest, You only have one in 218 00:11:52,445 --> 00:11:56,325 Speaker 1: the middle, the only, and they're each they're each special 219 00:11:56,365 --> 00:11:59,365 Speaker 1: in their own way, and you love all of them absolutely. 220 00:12:00,125 --> 00:12:04,965 Speaker 1: Braveheart was certainly special for me, and that I was 221 00:12:04,965 --> 00:12:09,605 Speaker 1: a complete the unknown screenwriter, and I went from that 222 00:12:09,885 --> 00:12:12,965 Speaker 1: to working with Mel Gibson, who was the you know, 223 00:12:13,005 --> 00:12:17,005 Speaker 1: the biggest star in the world and and a genius filmmaker. 224 00:12:17,565 --> 00:12:22,965 Speaker 1: So it certainly has taken me a long distance. But 225 00:12:23,045 --> 00:12:26,285 Speaker 1: it's really funny when people will say, like your reference 226 00:12:26,325 --> 00:12:28,405 Speaker 1: to Christ like figure, They'll say, well, you must have 227 00:12:28,445 --> 00:12:29,925 Speaker 1: done a lot of research, and I say, yeah, I 228 00:12:29,925 --> 00:12:34,125 Speaker 1: read the New Testament, and Mel recognized that right away. 229 00:12:34,485 --> 00:12:38,325 Speaker 1: He instantly the prayer in prison when he says every 230 00:12:38,325 --> 00:12:40,765 Speaker 1: man dies, and I was right out of the garden 231 00:12:40,805 --> 00:12:44,005 Speaker 1: of guests, simone, you know, praying to die well. And 232 00:12:45,205 --> 00:12:49,245 Speaker 1: he praised before battle and even his dreams and the 233 00:12:49,325 --> 00:12:53,805 Speaker 1: temptations to to just fight for vengeance rather than to 234 00:12:53,845 --> 00:12:57,685 Speaker 1: transcend all of that, like if it may have to 235 00:12:57,765 --> 00:13:01,965 Speaker 1: lay down my life to convince the people that I'm 236 00:13:02,005 --> 00:13:06,525 Speaker 1: fighting that we actually deserve to win, we deserve to 237 00:13:06,605 --> 00:13:10,005 Speaker 1: be free. So I didn't see any of it coming. 238 00:13:10,965 --> 00:13:14,125 Speaker 1: I didn't have an outline. I didn't have a historical 239 00:13:14,205 --> 00:13:17,925 Speaker 1: record to follow. Wow, I just sat down and began, 240 00:13:18,045 --> 00:13:20,685 Speaker 1: There's not a lot about William Wall exactly right. There's 241 00:13:20,845 --> 00:13:24,485 Speaker 1: there's there's virtually no. Winston Churchill talks about him in 242 00:13:24,525 --> 00:13:27,445 Speaker 1: his History of the English Speaking Peoples and he says, 243 00:13:28,165 --> 00:13:32,325 Speaker 1: virtually nothing is historically established, and yet his legends have 244 00:13:32,405 --> 00:13:34,365 Speaker 1: inspired his people for centuries. 245 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:34,845 Speaker 2: Wow. 246 00:13:34,885 --> 00:13:38,765 Speaker 1: And that's that's correct. So I'm saying, what would the 247 00:13:38,965 --> 00:13:41,405 Speaker 1: what is the thing about him that inspires me? 248 00:13:42,165 --> 00:13:44,445 Speaker 2: Do you have a lot of ideas always crowding into 249 00:13:44,445 --> 00:13:46,045 Speaker 2: your mind, like I want to read in this or 250 00:13:46,045 --> 00:13:48,445 Speaker 2: rent that, or do you have times where you have 251 00:13:48,525 --> 00:13:51,085 Speaker 2: nothing and then maybe when you're not even thinking about it, 252 00:13:51,245 --> 00:13:53,885 Speaker 2: something just comes to you. Like how talk about the 253 00:13:53,925 --> 00:13:59,205 Speaker 2: creative process of getting from a the seed idea to 254 00:13:59,325 --> 00:14:03,645 Speaker 2: be a completed book, screenplay or film. 255 00:14:04,165 --> 00:14:09,405 Speaker 1: It's being in is vital for me. I'm not a sailor, 256 00:14:09,445 --> 00:14:11,925 Speaker 1: but I've been on a couple of sailboats and I've 257 00:14:12,005 --> 00:14:16,725 Speaker 1: learned some of the processes that when the sailboat is 258 00:14:16,765 --> 00:14:23,005 Speaker 1: not moving, it can't steer. Yes, And so I believe 259 00:14:23,085 --> 00:14:25,605 Speaker 1: in motion. So when people say to me, what do 260 00:14:25,645 --> 00:14:27,445 Speaker 1: you do about writer's block? I go, I don't know 261 00:14:27,485 --> 00:14:32,165 Speaker 1: I never have it because I accept that the first 262 00:14:32,205 --> 00:14:34,245 Speaker 1: things that I write are the last things I write 263 00:14:34,325 --> 00:14:37,685 Speaker 1: may be junk. It's not do. 264 00:14:37,645 --> 00:14:40,165 Speaker 2: You really think something you write as junk? Oh? 265 00:14:40,245 --> 00:14:45,085 Speaker 1: Well, seldom do I stand up from having written something 266 00:14:45,125 --> 00:14:48,605 Speaker 1: down and say that's not worth writing. It's like, I 267 00:14:48,605 --> 00:14:51,285 Speaker 1: always feel that interesting that I'm glad I wrote it, 268 00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:56,685 Speaker 1: but before I begin, I give myself permission not to know. 269 00:14:57,365 --> 00:15:00,645 Speaker 1: It's stepping into the unknown. It's the biggest thing. And 270 00:15:01,205 --> 00:15:04,805 Speaker 1: the older I get greg the more that becomes a 271 00:15:04,845 --> 00:15:09,845 Speaker 1: model from me. It's that I love theology. I've studied 272 00:15:09,845 --> 00:15:12,165 Speaker 1: it my whole life. I said. 273 00:15:12,165 --> 00:15:15,245 Speaker 2: And at one point, you even you have a conversation 274 00:15:15,325 --> 00:15:17,885 Speaker 2: you had with your pastor. He asked you, would you 275 00:15:17,965 --> 00:15:20,925 Speaker 2: like to become a pastor? Yes, and you said something 276 00:15:20,965 --> 00:15:22,445 Speaker 2: along lines of it, I think that would be the 277 00:15:22,525 --> 00:15:24,845 Speaker 2: highest calling. And then he said something else to you, 278 00:15:24,885 --> 00:15:25,765 Speaker 2: didn't he that's right. 279 00:15:26,325 --> 00:15:29,805 Speaker 1: He asked me if I felt the call, and I said, honestly, 280 00:15:29,925 --> 00:15:32,245 Speaker 1: I don't, but I know it's the highest calling anyone 281 00:15:32,325 --> 00:15:34,925 Speaker 1: could have. And he said, you're wrong. The highest calling 282 00:15:34,965 --> 00:15:37,805 Speaker 1: you can have is one God has for you, and 283 00:15:38,165 --> 00:15:42,085 Speaker 1: which is very true. It was one of the best 284 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:45,285 Speaker 1: pieces of pastoring he ever gave me, and he gave 285 00:15:45,405 --> 00:15:45,805 Speaker 1: a lot. 286 00:15:46,005 --> 00:15:48,365 Speaker 2: But in a way though, you know, Randy, you've been 287 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:51,925 Speaker 2: able to take your love of theology and your ability 288 00:15:52,005 --> 00:15:55,805 Speaker 2: to write and get the message or aspects of the 289 00:15:55,885 --> 00:16:00,285 Speaker 2: gospel to a huge audience globally, and so you do 290 00:16:00,405 --> 00:16:02,605 Speaker 2: have a platform to do that, and I think you 291 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:05,285 Speaker 2: pretty much. I think of so many of your films, 292 00:16:05,605 --> 00:16:09,725 Speaker 2: We were soldiers, you see the faith I'm the main 293 00:16:09,845 --> 00:16:12,765 Speaker 2: character is how how more? Yeah? How more? You see 294 00:16:12,765 --> 00:16:15,125 Speaker 2: this tough soldier but he's down on his knees praying 295 00:16:15,205 --> 00:16:18,525 Speaker 2: with this little children. And of course William Wallace, clearly 296 00:16:18,605 --> 00:16:21,965 Speaker 2: it's there and h and of course you did having 297 00:16:22,005 --> 00:16:24,485 Speaker 2: as real that that is probably one of your more 298 00:16:24,605 --> 00:16:27,805 Speaker 2: overt faith projects, I think. But but it seems like 299 00:16:27,925 --> 00:16:31,965 Speaker 2: faith works its way through most of what you write. 300 00:16:32,045 --> 00:16:33,965 Speaker 2: Maybe would it be all of what you write? 301 00:16:34,485 --> 00:16:38,445 Speaker 1: I think? So yeah, and there I and it's it's 302 00:16:38,485 --> 00:16:41,565 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm fascinated with about all that 303 00:16:41,645 --> 00:16:44,645 Speaker 1: you have created and continued to create, and even the 304 00:16:45,565 --> 00:16:48,685 Speaker 1: sort of the seeker friendly aspects of church. And there's 305 00:16:48,725 --> 00:16:52,565 Speaker 1: like I I want to live in and address the 306 00:16:52,605 --> 00:16:55,565 Speaker 1: middle ground. A general doesn't want to win the French 307 00:16:55,605 --> 00:16:58,245 Speaker 1: as he wants to take the center of the battle. 308 00:16:58,805 --> 00:17:01,325 Speaker 1: And and that's that's where I want to be. So 309 00:17:01,405 --> 00:17:05,884 Speaker 1: it's not my own personal dogma that I believe. I 310 00:17:05,885 --> 00:17:08,205 Speaker 1: don't the end of the him, I lean not on 311 00:17:08,284 --> 00:17:12,684 Speaker 1: my own understanding. It's it's not my understanding that I 312 00:17:13,044 --> 00:17:16,725 Speaker 1: that I depend upon. It's faith, and it's Jordan Peterson 313 00:17:16,764 --> 00:17:19,684 Speaker 1: would say, it's face a kind of courage. Yeah, and 314 00:17:19,725 --> 00:17:23,644 Speaker 1: I certainly believe that. And and that's that's how I 315 00:17:23,685 --> 00:17:27,085 Speaker 1: feel that I have to step into life every single minute. 316 00:17:27,205 --> 00:17:31,445 Speaker 1: There's a movie, The Ghost in the Darkness, about two 317 00:17:31,445 --> 00:17:34,244 Speaker 1: men who are hunting man man eating lions. 318 00:17:35,725 --> 00:17:36,524 Speaker 2: That's a great film. 319 00:17:36,604 --> 00:17:37,325 Speaker 1: I thought so too. 320 00:17:37,445 --> 00:17:39,564 Speaker 2: I read the book it was based on, called Death 321 00:17:39,604 --> 00:17:41,685 Speaker 2: and the Lung Rest uh huh, and a true story 322 00:17:41,685 --> 00:17:44,004 Speaker 2: of these two lions that got a taste for a 323 00:17:44,084 --> 00:17:48,045 Speaker 2: human and crazy. But what you're going to say something. 324 00:17:47,844 --> 00:17:50,765 Speaker 1: Well, so there's the Val Kilmer character and the Michael Douglas. 325 00:17:51,125 --> 00:17:55,764 Speaker 1: Michael Douglas is an experienced lion hunter. Val Kilmer is brave, 326 00:17:55,844 --> 00:17:58,885 Speaker 1: but he's never done this, and yes, and he hires 327 00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:01,644 Speaker 1: the lion hunter and they're going out together, and the 328 00:18:01,725 --> 00:18:04,965 Speaker 1: Kilmer character says, well, you know, are you Are you scared? 329 00:18:05,645 --> 00:18:07,965 Speaker 1: And he went, oh, I'm terrified. I said, well you 330 00:18:08,365 --> 00:18:11,205 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but you've done this a lot and he said, 331 00:18:11,244 --> 00:18:15,564 Speaker 1: everyone's different every single and and again it's raising a child, 332 00:18:16,044 --> 00:18:21,524 Speaker 1: it's a marriage. Every day is different. Every screenplay. I 333 00:18:21,604 --> 00:18:25,925 Speaker 1: think it was you Adora Welty said, every story tells 334 00:18:25,965 --> 00:18:27,685 Speaker 1: me how to write it, but it doesn't tell me 335 00:18:27,725 --> 00:18:30,725 Speaker 1: how to write the next one. And so where you know, 336 00:18:30,804 --> 00:18:34,125 Speaker 1: you're listening to that story as you tell it, it's 337 00:18:34,165 --> 00:18:37,965 Speaker 1: revealing itself to you. But when you sit down your 338 00:18:38,044 --> 00:18:40,844 Speaker 1: novice again and should be I think, wow. 339 00:18:41,405 --> 00:18:45,044 Speaker 2: You know it was Luther that said, msik is the 340 00:18:45,165 --> 00:18:48,484 Speaker 2: handbeaten to theology. I think you could just as easily 341 00:18:48,604 --> 00:18:52,685 Speaker 2: take film or just art in general as a handbeaten 342 00:18:52,764 --> 00:18:56,284 Speaker 2: to theology. In other words, you know, there's a place 343 00:18:56,365 --> 00:19:00,325 Speaker 2: for art. And I think the Church understood this many 344 00:19:00,445 --> 00:19:03,564 Speaker 2: years ago, and we seemed to drift away from it. 345 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:06,205 Speaker 2: And when you would think of a Christian you would 346 00:19:06,205 --> 00:19:09,284 Speaker 2: think it's going to be a B film, a cheesy film. 347 00:19:09,725 --> 00:19:11,445 Speaker 2: I think a lot has changed, and a lot of 348 00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:13,844 Speaker 2: the films that are coming up right now were mutual 349 00:19:13,885 --> 00:19:16,965 Speaker 2: friends of John Irwin, and I think John's really done 350 00:19:17,004 --> 00:19:20,044 Speaker 2: some amazing work and he has incredible project he's working 351 00:19:20,084 --> 00:19:22,725 Speaker 2: on in the future called The House of David that's 352 00:19:22,725 --> 00:19:24,844 Speaker 2: going to be with Amazonists. You know, it's going to 353 00:19:24,885 --> 00:19:28,205 Speaker 2: be big, and he's looking at the story, how to 354 00:19:28,284 --> 00:19:30,604 Speaker 2: tell the story on a big scale, but you know, 355 00:19:30,885 --> 00:19:34,364 Speaker 2: connecting the audience to David, who's such a colorful character. 356 00:19:34,445 --> 00:19:37,284 Speaker 2: But we did a film together called Jesus Revolution, which 357 00:19:37,365 --> 00:19:40,804 Speaker 2: is based on my life, and I feel I've seen 358 00:19:40,844 --> 00:19:44,405 Speaker 2: this happen Randy. I've seen how like I can preach 359 00:19:44,445 --> 00:19:47,965 Speaker 2: sermons all day long, but a movie, it disarms a 360 00:19:48,044 --> 00:19:51,004 Speaker 2: person because they relate to a character, sort of like 361 00:19:51,044 --> 00:19:54,244 Speaker 2: the hero's journey. You know, here I relate to this person. 362 00:19:54,365 --> 00:19:56,965 Speaker 2: I'm rooting for this person in a way, I feel 363 00:19:57,004 --> 00:20:00,044 Speaker 2: like I am this person. And maybe their heart is 364 00:20:00,084 --> 00:20:03,004 Speaker 2: more open than even their mind at first, but then 365 00:20:03,125 --> 00:20:05,324 Speaker 2: as you move along, now their mind is open to 366 00:20:05,524 --> 00:20:07,924 Speaker 2: what it is you're convened. I feel that art music 367 00:20:08,004 --> 00:20:10,484 Speaker 2: to some degree as well, and you're also a musician, 368 00:20:10,844 --> 00:20:13,885 Speaker 2: can disarm a person emotionally. They'll open up a little 369 00:20:13,925 --> 00:20:16,844 Speaker 2: bit and now you can get the message in there. 370 00:20:17,244 --> 00:20:19,844 Speaker 2: So it's like how do you find that fine line 371 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:24,805 Speaker 2: of of not compromising art so it just becomes preaching, 372 00:20:25,524 --> 00:20:28,084 Speaker 2: though there's nothing wrong with preaching, but it has its place. 373 00:20:28,764 --> 00:20:32,524 Speaker 2: How do you take art and actually convey a message 374 00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:35,885 Speaker 2: with power in it and do both together? 375 00:20:36,645 --> 00:20:39,084 Speaker 1: For me, and I hope this doesn't sound like a 376 00:20:39,205 --> 00:20:46,685 Speaker 1: kind of Yoda type of answer. For me, it begins 377 00:20:46,725 --> 00:20:52,004 Speaker 1: and ends with authenticity. It's like when someone is preaching 378 00:20:52,004 --> 00:20:55,244 Speaker 1: to me, whether we're talking about in church or politics 379 00:20:55,405 --> 00:20:59,885 Speaker 1: or or any time, but they're they're preaching what they 380 00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:02,484 Speaker 1: want me to believe, but what they do themselves do 381 00:21:02,564 --> 00:21:08,085 Speaker 1: not believe. It stinks and it doesn't feel right in someplace, 382 00:21:08,165 --> 00:21:11,845 Speaker 1: no matter how good it sounds. So a big thing 383 00:21:11,925 --> 00:21:17,124 Speaker 1: for me is that I'm telling a story that is 384 00:21:17,284 --> 00:21:22,244 Speaker 1: true for me, that moves me, that surprises me. Jane 385 00:21:22,284 --> 00:21:24,965 Speaker 1: Austen said, an ending that does not surprise the writer 386 00:21:25,084 --> 00:21:27,405 Speaker 1: will not surprise the reader. And I can tell you 387 00:21:27,484 --> 00:21:30,324 Speaker 1: at the end of Braveheart, when I was writing the 388 00:21:30,365 --> 00:21:34,964 Speaker 1: axes falling toward William Wallas's neck, I knew we couldn't 389 00:21:35,004 --> 00:21:38,365 Speaker 1: show the audience that, and I stopped at that point 390 00:21:38,484 --> 00:21:41,324 Speaker 1: and thought, well, what would he do at this moment? 391 00:21:41,405 --> 00:21:44,164 Speaker 1: The last fraction of a second of his life? What 392 00:21:44,165 --> 00:21:46,324 Speaker 1: would you do? And I thought, oh, he knows his 393 00:21:46,324 --> 00:21:48,725 Speaker 1: friends were there, he would look to them. So I typed, 394 00:21:49,125 --> 00:21:51,604 Speaker 1: in the last moment of his life, William Wullit's turned 395 00:21:51,604 --> 00:21:54,124 Speaker 1: to look at his friends. And it was not until 396 00:21:54,284 --> 00:21:56,725 Speaker 1: that instant that I knew that she was there too, 397 00:21:56,804 --> 00:21:59,964 Speaker 1: that his life was their way. And I wept. I 398 00:22:00,165 --> 00:22:03,004 Speaker 1: sat there and I wept. And that was one of 399 00:22:03,044 --> 00:22:06,004 Speaker 1: those experiences like, Okay, here I am alone in my 400 00:22:06,084 --> 00:22:10,725 Speaker 1: office weeping writing this story. Is this self indulgent iss 401 00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:14,004 Speaker 1: all the things that you get into it. I gave 402 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:18,364 Speaker 1: the script to the studio executive, Rebecca Pollack, who's Sydney 403 00:22:18,405 --> 00:22:21,524 Speaker 1: Pollack's daughter and one of the great filmmakers will Less, 404 00:22:22,244 --> 00:22:25,004 Speaker 1: and she called me and said, well, we traditionally we 405 00:22:25,084 --> 00:22:29,164 Speaker 1: make copies and we send the copies to the different 406 00:22:29,165 --> 00:22:31,844 Speaker 1: department heads, but the assistants I'll read them first. And 407 00:22:31,885 --> 00:22:33,965 Speaker 1: she said, all the assistants in the company are sitting 408 00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:38,004 Speaker 1: at their desk, cryme and okay, so maybe so. 409 00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:42,564 Speaker 2: It has to hit you, then it will hit others. 410 00:22:42,764 --> 00:22:45,725 Speaker 1: Yes, And I wonder about that when you're when you're 411 00:22:45,725 --> 00:22:49,484 Speaker 1: a pastor, when you're really leading and there got to 412 00:22:49,524 --> 00:22:52,605 Speaker 1: be times when all of the things that are going 413 00:22:52,604 --> 00:22:54,764 Speaker 1: on in your life and all the people that you're 414 00:22:54,844 --> 00:22:59,605 Speaker 1: taking care of are so complex and difficult, But you're 415 00:22:59,645 --> 00:23:04,724 Speaker 1: in your delivering a message to many many people. How 416 00:23:04,764 --> 00:23:06,405 Speaker 1: do you? How do you in that? 417 00:23:07,004 --> 00:23:10,765 Speaker 2: It's the same principle. You know, John writes, these things 418 00:23:11,084 --> 00:23:13,285 Speaker 2: that we have seen and heard, we declare unto you 419 00:23:13,445 --> 00:23:15,764 Speaker 2: that you me have fellowship with God. So it starts 420 00:23:15,804 --> 00:23:18,644 Speaker 2: with we've seen this, and we've heard this, and we 421 00:23:18,764 --> 00:23:21,324 Speaker 2: know this is true, right, and I've heard it said. 422 00:23:21,405 --> 00:23:24,324 Speaker 2: It can't happen through you until it first happens to you, 423 00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:29,404 Speaker 2: so for you know, yes, So it is. It is authenticity. 424 00:23:29,844 --> 00:23:32,764 Speaker 2: And when I speak, I try to keep it real 425 00:23:32,965 --> 00:23:37,125 Speaker 2: and honest and admit my shortcomings and flaws, but talk 426 00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:40,924 Speaker 2: about how something has impacted me and is impacting me. 427 00:23:41,445 --> 00:23:43,845 Speaker 2: And I think people connect to that. I think especially 428 00:23:43,885 --> 00:23:47,084 Speaker 2: young people today, they're looking for authenticity. And of course 429 00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:48,965 Speaker 2: the Church, you know, we haven't always done a great 430 00:23:49,044 --> 00:23:51,244 Speaker 2: job with this, and we have our hypocrites and we 431 00:23:51,324 --> 00:23:53,924 Speaker 2: have our flaws. But the way I look at it 432 00:23:54,004 --> 00:23:57,365 Speaker 2: is it's the only organization Jesus ever started. He said, 433 00:23:57,405 --> 00:23:59,804 Speaker 2: the gates of hell will not prevail against it. He 434 00:23:59,925 --> 00:24:02,805 Speaker 2: loves his church. I think as Christians we should love 435 00:24:02,844 --> 00:24:06,205 Speaker 2: the church too and find our place in it. Then, 436 00:24:06,484 --> 00:24:11,844 Speaker 2: you know, but it does just start with truth and authenticity. 437 00:24:12,205 --> 00:24:15,564 Speaker 2: You are working on arguably maybe what could be the 438 00:24:15,564 --> 00:24:19,885 Speaker 2: most important movie of recent history, and that is a 439 00:24:19,965 --> 00:24:24,405 Speaker 2: sequel to The Passion. The Passion rock the World. There's 440 00:24:24,445 --> 00:24:27,164 Speaker 2: no denying that fact. I remember when I was invited 441 00:24:27,685 --> 00:24:30,165 Speaker 2: by Mel Gibson to see an early version of it, 442 00:24:30,244 --> 00:24:33,044 Speaker 2: and even before all the CG was done, and not 443 00:24:33,125 --> 00:24:35,125 Speaker 2: that it had a lot of CG, but certain things 444 00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:37,804 Speaker 2: were not done yet. Then I remember there was a 445 00:24:37,925 --> 00:24:41,004 Speaker 2: people were questioning why is it in Aramaic, and they 446 00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:44,445 Speaker 2: were pushing back, and I felt what Mill did by 447 00:24:44,604 --> 00:24:47,804 Speaker 2: having it in Aramaic was you felt like you got 448 00:24:47,844 --> 00:24:51,044 Speaker 2: in a time machine and went back, and so it 449 00:24:51,125 --> 00:24:54,044 Speaker 2: really felt like you were there. Yes, and of course 450 00:24:54,125 --> 00:24:58,685 Speaker 2: powerful performances. Jim Cabizel is Jesus and the whole cast 451 00:24:58,804 --> 00:25:01,565 Speaker 2: was fantastic. But you know, there were to me there 452 00:25:01,564 --> 00:25:04,764 Speaker 2: were connections to Braveheart just the way he filmed certain things. 453 00:25:04,804 --> 00:25:07,405 Speaker 2: I like that the night scenes and Brave Heart and 454 00:25:07,445 --> 00:25:10,124 Speaker 2: the night scenes and as it opened and Getseminett that 455 00:25:10,165 --> 00:25:12,484 Speaker 2: I love the way Mel films and it was almost 456 00:25:12,604 --> 00:25:15,004 Speaker 2: at times like a painting. You're looking at a painting. 457 00:25:15,484 --> 00:25:21,084 Speaker 2: Certain scenes were just wow. But this movie impacted people 458 00:25:21,165 --> 00:25:23,965 Speaker 2: all around the globe. I know personally of people that 459 00:25:24,044 --> 00:25:27,685 Speaker 2: came to Christ watching this movie, but audiences that would 460 00:25:27,685 --> 00:25:30,724 Speaker 2: have never set foot at a church watched it. Some 461 00:25:30,885 --> 00:25:33,044 Speaker 2: out of anger, but they just felt they had to 462 00:25:33,084 --> 00:25:36,804 Speaker 2: watch it. And now there's a movie about the resurrection 463 00:25:36,925 --> 00:25:39,804 Speaker 2: of Jesus and you're writing the screenplay. Is that correct? 464 00:25:39,925 --> 00:25:42,804 Speaker 1: I'm working on it with Mel. Yeah. I wrote the 465 00:25:42,844 --> 00:25:48,484 Speaker 1: original screenplay, and I'm certain that he had thought of 466 00:25:48,564 --> 00:25:52,324 Speaker 1: doing it in other times. But we were having dinner 467 00:25:52,365 --> 00:25:55,324 Speaker 1: one night and I said, you know, as powerful as 468 00:25:55,645 --> 00:26:00,325 Speaker 1: the Passion has been, there's an even more powerful story, 469 00:26:00,685 --> 00:26:03,124 Speaker 1: and we need to do that. The big thing to 470 00:26:03,205 --> 00:26:08,925 Speaker 1: me is the assertion that the rest Direction is real, historical, 471 00:26:09,205 --> 00:26:13,124 Speaker 1: physical I believe that totally. I also know that there 472 00:26:13,125 --> 00:26:16,884 Speaker 1: are mysteries about it, and that some of his followers 473 00:26:17,405 --> 00:26:20,805 Speaker 1: would see him and wouldn't recognize him at first, and 474 00:26:20,844 --> 00:26:24,365 Speaker 1: you ask yourself what's going on in it? And that's intriguing. 475 00:26:24,445 --> 00:26:28,044 Speaker 1: So I'm even going on based on what we've worked on. 476 00:26:28,125 --> 00:26:32,325 Speaker 1: I'm writing what I'm calling a novel because there's material 477 00:26:32,445 --> 00:26:36,525 Speaker 1: that's not all of everything in the story is in 478 00:26:36,564 --> 00:26:40,965 Speaker 1: the New Testament. It's implicit and just like say the Passion, 479 00:26:41,484 --> 00:26:43,924 Speaker 1: the New Testament doesn't say Satan was in the Garden 480 00:26:43,925 --> 00:26:48,764 Speaker 1: of Guessemone, but of course we would naturally believe that 481 00:26:48,804 --> 00:26:52,165 Speaker 1: Satan was there, as he was at war with Jesus. 482 00:26:52,405 --> 00:26:56,324 Speaker 1: But Jesus going into Hell itself to try to save 483 00:26:56,445 --> 00:27:03,844 Speaker 1: the souls there. Those are the profound spiritual issues, and 484 00:27:02,885 --> 00:27:06,805 Speaker 1: I do believe the movie will be one of them. 485 00:27:07,165 --> 00:27:09,924 Speaker 1: Is the mount everest of story? 486 00:27:10,084 --> 00:27:12,165 Speaker 2: Has the screen Is it done? Is the screenplay done? 487 00:27:12,484 --> 00:27:14,564 Speaker 1: You're still working on it, still working on it, but 488 00:27:15,524 --> 00:27:18,925 Speaker 1: you're still working it out. At every stage, even when 489 00:27:18,965 --> 00:27:22,205 Speaker 1: you get down to you you're editing, you have to 490 00:27:22,244 --> 00:27:26,324 Speaker 1: ask yourself what is this really about? And one of 491 00:27:26,324 --> 00:27:29,844 Speaker 1: my disciplines is what's the elevator speech? You know, what 492 00:27:29,885 --> 00:27:31,924 Speaker 1: would you say if you had if you had sixty seconds? 493 00:27:32,284 --> 00:27:35,204 Speaker 1: Here's what this is. One of the things I really 494 00:27:35,284 --> 00:27:39,804 Speaker 1: love about now is he is as honest. He's more 495 00:27:39,804 --> 00:27:42,885 Speaker 1: honest about his flaws than any any of his critics 496 00:27:42,965 --> 00:27:47,085 Speaker 1: are about his flaws. And he's aware of his vulnerability. 497 00:27:47,044 --> 00:27:49,885 Speaker 1: In the first thing he said to me, when I said, 498 00:27:50,004 --> 00:27:54,004 Speaker 1: we really need to do the resurrection, he said, we 499 00:27:54,084 --> 00:27:56,764 Speaker 1: have to be sure of our spirits. This can't be 500 00:27:56,804 --> 00:27:59,684 Speaker 1: about the money. It can't be about our egos. It 501 00:27:59,725 --> 00:28:04,405 Speaker 1: can't be about vindication or our payback to our critics 502 00:28:04,484 --> 00:28:08,324 Speaker 1: or any of that. And God bless you, that is 503 00:28:08,365 --> 00:28:11,884 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to say. A key component for me 504 00:28:12,044 --> 00:28:14,924 Speaker 1: about the resurrection story. I want to know more of 505 00:28:15,524 --> 00:28:17,204 Speaker 1: why he's on the cross. I want to know how 506 00:28:17,244 --> 00:28:20,165 Speaker 1: I got there anyway, Well, we all know that. No, 507 00:28:20,205 --> 00:28:24,044 Speaker 1: actually we don't all know that, and the and we 508 00:28:24,125 --> 00:28:27,524 Speaker 1: want to know what you think, and we want to like, 509 00:28:27,564 --> 00:28:29,845 Speaker 1: what what do you use a filmmaker want to say 510 00:28:29,885 --> 00:28:32,605 Speaker 1: to the audience of this is why this was happening. 511 00:28:33,084 --> 00:28:37,164 Speaker 1: So my traditional version of the story, and the one 512 00:28:37,244 --> 00:28:41,685 Speaker 1: I'm writing in the novel version, is that you've got Peter. 513 00:28:42,485 --> 00:28:46,565 Speaker 1: You start with the Jesus's death on the cross, and 514 00:28:46,645 --> 00:28:52,325 Speaker 1: Peter's absolutely wretched experience, and that is he is just 515 00:28:52,445 --> 00:28:56,565 Speaker 1: eaten up with guilt. He goes back in his memories 516 00:28:56,604 --> 00:28:59,525 Speaker 1: to meeting Jesus for the first time. John the Baptist 517 00:28:59,525 --> 00:29:03,965 Speaker 1: love that and how Jesus called those disciples. And here's 518 00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:05,884 Speaker 1: I want to try a thought out on and say, 519 00:29:05,925 --> 00:29:08,965 Speaker 1: you tell me how you feel about this. A revelation 520 00:29:09,165 --> 00:29:12,525 Speaker 1: for me about this is there is a proof of 521 00:29:12,565 --> 00:29:17,364 Speaker 1: the resurrection. You know, people will say, well, it's preposterous 522 00:29:17,365 --> 00:29:20,765 Speaker 1: and I can't NTI write your British thinker would say, 523 00:29:20,805 --> 00:29:23,405 Speaker 1: if you don't think it's preposterous, you're missing the point. 524 00:29:23,925 --> 00:29:27,805 Speaker 1: It blows away all of your conceptions. We all know, 525 00:29:28,005 --> 00:29:31,964 Speaker 1: every human being would say, oh, Jesus was a brilliant teacher. 526 00:29:32,844 --> 00:29:35,645 Speaker 1: You know, whether they don't. They may not like Christians, 527 00:29:35,645 --> 00:29:38,525 Speaker 1: they may don't like church, and maybe they have had 528 00:29:38,525 --> 00:29:41,604 Speaker 1: a bad experience. But here's the thing. We would have 529 00:29:41,765 --> 00:29:44,725 Speaker 1: never heard his name or heard one thing he said 530 00:29:45,245 --> 00:29:49,765 Speaker 1: except for one event, the resurrection. It's crucifixion. If that 531 00:29:49,885 --> 00:29:54,245 Speaker 1: had been the end, it was over his disciples. They 532 00:29:54,285 --> 00:29:55,084 Speaker 1: didn't expect it. 533 00:29:55,205 --> 00:29:57,325 Speaker 2: And you know, the disciples on the Ams wrote he 534 00:29:57,485 --> 00:30:01,164 Speaker 2: joined them, and he, you know, says why are you 535 00:30:01,205 --> 00:30:04,765 Speaker 2: so sad? Well, I mean you heard about the things 536 00:30:04,805 --> 00:30:08,565 Speaker 2: of Jesus Nazareth and then Jesus says, well what things? 537 00:30:09,165 --> 00:30:12,325 Speaker 2: So now they're telling Jesus about Jesus. Yeah, and he 538 00:30:12,445 --> 00:30:16,644 Speaker 2: listens and they say, you know, he was crucified, and 539 00:30:16,725 --> 00:30:20,205 Speaker 2: it's been three days since this happened, and we hoped 540 00:30:20,405 --> 00:30:23,285 Speaker 2: he would have been the Messiah or the one to deliver. 541 00:30:23,405 --> 00:30:26,405 Speaker 2: Is your whole past tense. So they were They had 542 00:30:26,405 --> 00:30:29,805 Speaker 2: no idea that they were talking to the risen Savior 543 00:30:30,365 --> 00:30:33,005 Speaker 2: until he made himself known to them. They break bread, 544 00:30:33,084 --> 00:30:35,644 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, like to your point, like 545 00:30:35,685 --> 00:30:37,445 Speaker 2: why didn't they know? I don't know why they didn't 546 00:30:37,885 --> 00:30:41,685 Speaker 2: recognize him, because he said to his disciples that fair period, 547 00:30:41,885 --> 00:30:44,565 Speaker 2: it is I it's not another It's not like he 548 00:30:44,645 --> 00:30:48,445 Speaker 2: was translucent. It's not like he floated. He was physical, 549 00:30:48,565 --> 00:30:51,445 Speaker 2: risen Jesus with the marks of the crucifixion in his 550 00:30:51,525 --> 00:30:55,684 Speaker 2: hands and feet, still but yet recognizable, but yet not 551 00:30:55,765 --> 00:30:59,725 Speaker 2: always recognizable, yet appearing in a room without using the door. 552 00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:02,685 Speaker 2: So there's all these interesting little twists and turns on it. 553 00:31:03,165 --> 00:31:06,845 Speaker 2: But they weren't expecting it. And the way that they 554 00:31:06,885 --> 00:31:09,885 Speaker 2: all pretty much went to die the death of a martyr, 555 00:31:10,365 --> 00:31:12,965 Speaker 2: with the exception of John the Beloved who has banished 556 00:31:12,965 --> 00:31:16,165 Speaker 2: at the island of Papos. If it wasn't true, one 557 00:31:16,205 --> 00:31:19,045 Speaker 2: of them would have said, it's not true. We made 558 00:31:19,084 --> 00:31:22,165 Speaker 2: this up. I'm on my deathbed. Why do I want 559 00:31:22,205 --> 00:31:24,525 Speaker 2: to perpetuate this myth? But none of them said that 560 00:31:24,604 --> 00:31:28,525 Speaker 2: because they couldn't deny what they had seen and experienced. Yes, 561 00:31:29,965 --> 00:31:33,245 Speaker 2: now you are going on a tour of sorts, right, 562 00:31:33,405 --> 00:31:36,445 Speaker 2: or doing shows like a one man show. Yes, which 563 00:31:36,885 --> 00:31:38,684 Speaker 2: just talking with you, I know it's going to be 564 00:31:38,765 --> 00:31:41,844 Speaker 2: fantastic here, so interesting, and you have so much to 565 00:31:41,885 --> 00:31:43,965 Speaker 2: stay and you've done so much in your life. Tell 566 00:31:44,045 --> 00:31:46,245 Speaker 2: us about your show. I think it's living the brave 567 00:31:46,285 --> 00:31:46,805 Speaker 2: heart life. 568 00:31:46,965 --> 00:31:52,565 Speaker 1: Yes. During the pandemic, I got not only restless, but 569 00:31:52,604 --> 00:31:55,405 Speaker 1: then I got offended at people being kept from each other. 570 00:31:55,485 --> 00:31:59,604 Speaker 1: I think we need you know, Zim's wonderful invention and 571 00:31:59,645 --> 00:32:04,565 Speaker 1: all of that, but you know FaceTime and there's nothing 572 00:32:04,805 --> 00:32:09,965 Speaker 1: like being with us people. And uh and I like 573 00:32:10,125 --> 00:32:13,445 Speaker 1: in my everyday life. I really learned this. I think 574 00:32:13,485 --> 00:32:18,285 Speaker 1: when my mother was was getting older and was in 575 00:32:18,325 --> 00:32:19,924 Speaker 1: a nursing home, and i'd go visit her, and I 576 00:32:20,045 --> 00:32:23,405 Speaker 1: realized that all these old people sitting around, no one 577 00:32:23,405 --> 00:32:26,405 Speaker 1: ever touched them. And I would hug my mother, and 578 00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:28,445 Speaker 1: I would see the look on her friend's faces, and 579 00:32:28,445 --> 00:32:31,005 Speaker 1: I would go around and hug them too, that this 580 00:32:31,165 --> 00:32:36,565 Speaker 1: is important. We need we need each other and and 581 00:32:36,645 --> 00:32:43,605 Speaker 1: I and I also have been frustrated with the state 582 00:32:43,645 --> 00:32:46,765 Speaker 1: of the movie business when I felt it people weren't 583 00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:49,285 Speaker 1: trying to make the movie the audience really wanted to 584 00:32:49,365 --> 00:32:55,285 Speaker 1: see they were. There were other other agenda driving this thing. 585 00:32:56,084 --> 00:32:58,364 Speaker 1: And I just said I was going to do a 586 00:32:58,405 --> 00:33:02,725 Speaker 1: live show and use clips from my movies and stories 587 00:33:02,765 --> 00:33:04,725 Speaker 1: about how I came to write those, like the story 588 00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:07,725 Speaker 1: about that prayer and songs that I've written because I 589 00:33:07,765 --> 00:33:10,645 Speaker 1: started life as a singer songwriter, and weave it all 590 00:33:10,685 --> 00:33:14,644 Speaker 1: together into an experience to try to get people to 591 00:33:14,965 --> 00:33:19,604 Speaker 1: viscerally not just it's not a lecture, it's it's not 592 00:33:19,604 --> 00:33:23,325 Speaker 1: not even so much information. It's the too experience within 593 00:33:23,485 --> 00:33:28,685 Speaker 1: each of us, the warrior inside that did Screams for Freedom. 594 00:33:29,084 --> 00:33:31,205 Speaker 2: Is there a book coming out along with this as well? 595 00:33:31,725 --> 00:33:33,525 Speaker 1: Yes, well I've got I've got a book Living the 596 00:33:33,565 --> 00:33:35,644 Speaker 1: Brave Heart Life that I wrote sometime back. 597 00:33:35,525 --> 00:33:37,925 Speaker 2: In So how does one live the brave heart life? 598 00:33:37,925 --> 00:33:39,925 Speaker 2: Do you have to paint half your face blue? 599 00:33:40,925 --> 00:33:46,325 Speaker 1: It's a really effective thing. And and and I'll say 600 00:33:46,365 --> 00:33:52,245 Speaker 1: this honestly, there is a physical component to it. There 601 00:33:52,325 --> 00:33:55,445 Speaker 1: was so much in my In my childhood, I was 602 00:33:55,485 --> 00:33:57,364 Speaker 1: in church for hours and hours an hour, and I 603 00:33:57,405 --> 00:34:02,045 Speaker 1: know we have we have a really different background, but 604 00:34:02,805 --> 00:34:06,325 Speaker 1: so it's fascinating that the God bring us both to 605 00:34:06,365 --> 00:34:10,605 Speaker 1: the same place. Yes, that I set for oh maybe 606 00:34:10,645 --> 00:34:13,085 Speaker 1: twenty hours a week in church. Wow, it was not 607 00:34:14,525 --> 00:34:17,445 Speaker 1: unusual first to have. We had two a day tent 608 00:34:17,565 --> 00:34:21,485 Speaker 1: revivals in boy Scouts were at church, and yeah Little 609 00:34:21,565 --> 00:34:25,805 Speaker 1: League was at church and all of that. But it's 610 00:34:25,845 --> 00:34:29,884 Speaker 1: easy just to think of the faith as elsewhere, which 611 00:34:29,925 --> 00:34:32,885 Speaker 1: is one of the I mean, it's in heaven, That's 612 00:34:32,925 --> 00:34:36,845 Speaker 1: where God's glory is and to not feel it so 613 00:34:36,965 --> 00:34:38,765 Speaker 1: much here. And I loved when I read C. S. 614 00:34:38,845 --> 00:34:41,525 Speaker 1: Lewis said, I think it was in his book The 615 00:34:41,565 --> 00:34:44,605 Speaker 1: Great Divorce, but he said, everyone who goes to heaven 616 00:34:44,645 --> 00:34:47,005 Speaker 1: will believe Heaven began when they were born on earth, 617 00:34:47,605 --> 00:34:50,405 Speaker 1: and everyone who goes to hell will believe that hell 618 00:34:50,525 --> 00:34:53,565 Speaker 1: began when they were born on earth. Like, this world 619 00:34:53,685 --> 00:34:57,485 Speaker 1: is a beautiful place. This world is a reflection of Heaven, 620 00:34:57,525 --> 00:35:03,085 Speaker 1: and we are each other reflections of God. And I 621 00:35:03,165 --> 00:35:07,165 Speaker 1: find that there's a physical component me to feel closer 622 00:35:07,205 --> 00:35:10,325 Speaker 1: to God, like when I put on a kilt, I'm 623 00:35:10,365 --> 00:35:13,165 Speaker 1: taking my family in a few weeks to Scotland for 624 00:35:13,325 --> 00:35:16,725 Speaker 1: the gathering of the Walyses. And you put on a 625 00:35:16,805 --> 00:35:19,725 Speaker 1: kilt and you stand up taller and you feel more energy. 626 00:35:19,805 --> 00:35:23,165 Speaker 1: And you when you when you square your shoulders and 627 00:35:23,205 --> 00:35:26,725 Speaker 1: you you face that, when you look at danger instead 628 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:32,165 Speaker 1: of look away, when you when you accept your flaws, 629 00:35:34,005 --> 00:35:40,725 Speaker 1: and you you you look at issues like forgiveness, and 630 00:35:40,765 --> 00:35:45,765 Speaker 1: you think, how can I be asking for forgiveness if 631 00:35:45,805 --> 00:35:50,805 Speaker 1: I am not forgiving myself. Those are physical things, not 632 00:35:51,165 --> 00:35:55,725 Speaker 1: just ethereal, disembodied things. So for me, living the Brave 633 00:35:55,725 --> 00:35:59,725 Speaker 1: Heart life has to do with what we can control 634 00:35:59,845 --> 00:36:02,285 Speaker 1: right here, which is what we do every day, how 635 00:36:02,325 --> 00:36:05,885 Speaker 1: we take care of ourselves, how we take care of others. 636 00:36:06,565 --> 00:36:10,925 Speaker 1: When you know, some years ago, right after Braveheart, I 637 00:36:10,965 --> 00:36:13,805 Speaker 1: got some friends together and we started Hollywood for Habitat 638 00:36:13,885 --> 00:36:17,965 Speaker 1: for Humanity and having to do with the work of 639 00:36:18,045 --> 00:36:20,485 Speaker 1: a whole lot of other people besides me. They're the 640 00:36:20,485 --> 00:36:24,485 Speaker 1: ones that carried all the water. But that little affiliate, 641 00:36:24,645 --> 00:36:29,005 Speaker 1: the Greater Los Angeles, run by an incredible young woman 642 00:36:29,085 --> 00:36:34,725 Speaker 1: named Aaron Rank, went from a minuscule little affiliate to 643 00:36:34,885 --> 00:36:38,165 Speaker 1: the most influential one in all of the world. Wow, 644 00:36:38,325 --> 00:36:41,685 Speaker 1: And to me that the big thing was to get 645 00:36:41,725 --> 00:36:45,085 Speaker 1: your hands dirty and your heart clean. Like that, take 646 00:36:45,085 --> 00:36:49,525 Speaker 1: a physical take a step, a physical step that goes 647 00:36:49,565 --> 00:36:51,405 Speaker 1: with the with the spiritual step. 648 00:36:51,485 --> 00:36:56,885 Speaker 2: That's great. When did you make a actual commitment to 649 00:36:57,045 --> 00:37:00,005 Speaker 2: Christ that was more than just a child maybe listening 650 00:37:00,045 --> 00:37:03,165 Speaker 2: to your grandmother and being moved by the stories she 651 00:37:03,325 --> 00:37:06,365 Speaker 2: told you to I am now embraced Christ as my 652 00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:09,005 Speaker 2: savior and Lord, and I'm going to follow. 653 00:37:08,765 --> 00:37:16,605 Speaker 1: Him this morning. And yes, yes I'm a different person 654 00:37:16,765 --> 00:37:19,885 Speaker 1: each day, and each day I have to do it again. 655 00:37:20,085 --> 00:37:20,365 Speaker 2: Wow. 656 00:37:21,685 --> 00:37:26,364 Speaker 1: I I don't have any recollect I mean I was baptized, 657 00:37:26,565 --> 00:37:30,005 Speaker 1: you know, total immersion Baptist Church and Memphis when I 658 00:37:30,045 --> 00:37:35,485 Speaker 1: was you know, eleven or twelve. And there again, like 659 00:37:35,645 --> 00:37:39,245 Speaker 1: I love the physical thing of baptism. Yes, I think 660 00:37:39,245 --> 00:37:45,445 Speaker 1: it's I think it's really important, right. But I I 661 00:37:45,525 --> 00:37:49,045 Speaker 1: never remember a time when I didn't see myself as 662 00:37:49,045 --> 00:37:52,965 Speaker 1: a Christian. But but I had plenty of times of doubt. 663 00:37:53,165 --> 00:37:56,525 Speaker 1: And I have plenty of times when I say, I 664 00:37:56,565 --> 00:38:01,245 Speaker 1: know what the right way is. That's not the problem. Yeah, 665 00:38:01,485 --> 00:38:08,045 Speaker 1: it's doing doing that that's and so and and even fun. 666 00:38:08,205 --> 00:38:10,085 Speaker 1: You know, when I was marveling to a friend of mine. 667 00:38:10,445 --> 00:38:12,405 Speaker 1: As much as I've read the Bible in my life, 668 00:38:12,405 --> 00:38:16,885 Speaker 1: and then I'm thinking, this thing still surprises me. I really, 669 00:38:17,045 --> 00:38:20,285 Speaker 1: you say, you watch Braveheart and you see something new. 670 00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:26,805 Speaker 1: It's I think. I think a story lasts because it 671 00:38:26,925 --> 00:38:31,884 Speaker 1: is alive, and it's alive because it's in touch with 672 00:38:31,925 --> 00:38:33,325 Speaker 1: what is eternally true. 673 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:33,965 Speaker 2: That's right. 674 00:38:34,525 --> 00:38:40,365 Speaker 1: And so what my my current understanding is one of 675 00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:43,165 Speaker 1: the Bible is fresh to me is that each time 676 00:38:43,205 --> 00:38:46,765 Speaker 1: I read it, I'm being changed. So the next time 677 00:38:46,765 --> 00:38:49,445 Speaker 1: I read it, a new Randy is reading it. 678 00:38:49,485 --> 00:38:52,605 Speaker 2: Wow, and great statement, Oh Randy. It's been a real 679 00:38:52,645 --> 00:38:55,245 Speaker 2: pleasure talking to you now, so many amazing things that 680 00:38:55,285 --> 00:38:58,605 Speaker 2: you've shared with us. And I just pray and hope 681 00:38:58,645 --> 00:39:00,725 Speaker 2: that you keep doing what you're doing because you are 682 00:39:00,765 --> 00:39:05,365 Speaker 2: making a difference and impacting people. And and thank you 683 00:39:05,405 --> 00:39:07,924 Speaker 2: for taking this time to talk a little bit about 684 00:39:08,005 --> 00:39:12,765 Speaker 2: your life and your thoughts and how you tick. And 685 00:39:12,845 --> 00:39:14,845 Speaker 2: I've been very inspired by it. So thanks again,