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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Show me how to live without it, Lord, and let

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Speaker 2: my desire for you be bigger than the desire for alcohol.

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Speaker 1: So I am filled with You.

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Speaker 2: So I'm filled with the Holy Spirit, and I never

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Speaker 2: have a desire to fill myself with anything else again.

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Speaker 3: This podcast is for the woman who loves Jesus or

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Speaker 3: who is longing to reconnect with Him, and who knows

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Speaker 3: deep down that alcohol is no longer serving her. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host and your coach, Christy Osborne. Here we'll talk honestly,

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Speaker 3: with grace and truth about how stepping away from wine

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Speaker 3: opens the door to the love, joy, peace and connection

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Speaker 3: you've been searching for. Because, Babe, those were never meant

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Speaker 3: to be found in a bottle of wine, They're found

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Speaker 3: in Jesus. Through a scripture, coaching, and neuroscience, I'll help

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Speaker 3: you make sense of your habits, your nervous system, and

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Speaker 3: your heart so freedom feels possible and sustainable. You don't

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Speaker 3: have to do this alone, Babe. Welcome to Love Life Sober.

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined by Sherry Hoppin, founder of If She Surrenders,

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Speaker 3: an executive director of Sala House Recovery. Sherry's alcohol story

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Speaker 3: is one of obedience and radical surrender, not the pretty

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Speaker 3: polished kind we say in prayers, but the kind that

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Speaker 3: actually requires action, the kind that leads to real freedom.

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Speaker 3: She shares how God called her to open Sala House

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Speaker 3: and how her lived experience has helped her shape safer,

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Speaker 3: healing spaces for so many women. She is one of

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Speaker 3: the most inspiring women, and I am just so glad

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Speaker 3: to know her and consider her a mentor of mine.

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Speaker 3: If you've ever wondered why you've said I surrender but

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Speaker 3: nothing seems to change, or your longing for freedom but

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Speaker 3: don't know how to truly let go, then this conversation

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Speaker 3: is for you. Oh, Sherry Hoppin, my friend, my mentor,

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Speaker 3: I just I love you so much. Tell us like

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Speaker 3: I want to I want like your story, but I

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Speaker 3: want to know first, like how is Sala House going?

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Speaker 3: Tell the listeners what you have built over the last

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Speaker 3: years it's been, and how's it going?

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Speaker 4: And oh my gosh, it's so exciting.

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Speaker 1: Well to go back. It was just three years ago.

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Speaker 2: It was a day before Christmas in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: that I drove past this house and like skidded to

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Speaker 2: a stop and was like, there it is.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know I was looking for a rehob house,

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Speaker 1: but there it was. We closed down it like six

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Speaker 2: We had this idea that we really wanted to serve

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Speaker 2: women in a faith based environment to recover. That's about

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Speaker 2: as far as it went, and it came from a

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Speaker 2: place of where our family had been, myself what I

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Speaker 2: would have looked for in a rehab back in the day.

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Speaker 1: And then we went through an addiction to prescription medication

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Speaker 1: with our daughter in law and that really spoken to

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Speaker 1: that there's a need for this. So that was just

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Speaker 2: But when God puts something that baded on your heart,

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Speaker 2: you really cannot ignore it. You don't have a good

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Speaker 2: reason to say no. And we did not, and I

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Speaker 2: truthfully didn't want to. I was at a place in

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Speaker 2: life where I'd been doing a lot of you know

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Speaker 2: what you do, like working with women, and I love it.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 2: We knew this was going to change our lives, and

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Speaker 2: we were skidding into closer to like my husband's you know,

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Speaker 2: like looking at hey, we're going to retire in a

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Speaker 2: few years, and I'm like, guess what, No, We're not.

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Speaker 2: Like I was just starting to dabble and going south

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and I'm like, no, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: remain a very pasty white Michigan girl for a little longer.

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Speaker 2: So after almost two years of remodeling and licensing, I

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Speaker 2: mean all the things, the policies, the ideas and the curriculum,

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Speaker 2: the everything, it took a long time and getting ready

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Speaker 2: was to launch something like that. I love that part

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Speaker 2: of it, I really do. But the unknown is so daunting.

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Speaker 2: And the first time, last February, I opened that door

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Speaker 2: to our first resident. A couple of us were standing

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Speaker 2: To call her. She had to push me. She's like

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Speaker 2: doing amazing and that just started it. And we've served

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Speaker 2: pay this place. We need to pace it because we

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Speaker 2: have learned so much, and our clients have taught us

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Speaker 2: a lot, you know, they give us great feedback. And

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Speaker 2: God has blessed us with the most amazing women to

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Speaker 2: walk through these doors because they have been, first of all,

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Speaker 2: so hungry for the word yeah and that place in

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Speaker 2: their life and what we teach there and to be free,

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Speaker 2: and it's hard when they leave a lot of times

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Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, there's been so many rewarding moments that.

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Speaker 3: So we're basically coming up on the year anniversary of

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Speaker 3: you opening the doors then, yeah, wow, congratulations. That is amazing.

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Speaker 3: When we first met, I think it was still you

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Speaker 3: were still in the planning stages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we had just purchased house. Maybe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so amazing, babe, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the biggest honors is that

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Speaker 2: so my daughter in law that I mentioned she's helped

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Speaker 2: and that's truly, that's just a huge blessing.

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Speaker 1: And I say that too to give people hope.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you have someone in your face only

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Speaker 2: you're struggling with right now. Her name is Stephaniean. We

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Speaker 2: weren't exactly best friends there for a while. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: but I knew what needed to happen and she wasn't

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Speaker 1: And you know, through an addiction and into recovery. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I will never forget when I first interviewed you, and

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Speaker 3: you talked about your own moment of surrender, and I

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Speaker 3: think that surrender is a word that we use a lot,

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Speaker 3: we read about a lot in the Bible. Obviously, I'm

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Speaker 3: about to have Mary Damouth, who's my book agent, on

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Speaker 3: she just wrote a whole book on surrender. But I

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Speaker 3: because of the path that you walked, And so will

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Speaker 3: you just take us back to that moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and back when I wrote my book. I

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Speaker 2: But the problem for me, and the confusion came in,

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Speaker 2: you're saying it again. But I would say, God, you

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Speaker 2: And then what I was really saying, I guess in

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Speaker 2: If I give it to you. Can you do it

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Speaker 2: But there's only one way to surrender. It's not with conditions,

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Speaker 2: it's not with excuses, it's not with here's how it's

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Speaker 2: not this, this thing is in the way.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and show me how to live without it.

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Speaker 2: Lord, and let my desire for you be bigger than

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Speaker 1: So I am filled with you.

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Speaker 2: So I'm filled with the Holy Spirit, and I never

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's the secret sauce start here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I recently was thinking about it. You know,

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Speaker 2: are my directions? So we can put surrender into our GPS.

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Speaker 2: We can do all the things. I love to make

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Speaker 2: recently purged my office to follow that material, like, wow.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that probably felt so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, January one through six was amazing, you know. But

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Speaker 1: I love to make the plan. But if you don't

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Speaker 2: But when God gives you the plan and says all right,

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Speaker 3: When you were talking earlier about basically focusing on God

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Speaker 3: crowding out alcohol by more of Jesus, it reminded me

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Speaker 3: of focusing on being delivered, focus on the deliverer. I

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Speaker 3: think it is so so good because there's so many

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Speaker 3: gals that we both talk to that are like, Walt,

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Speaker 3: this instantaneous, just take the desire to drink away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it takes work.

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Speaker 3: And this is where our our I always call him

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Speaker 4: Doctor Lee Warren talks.

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Speaker 2: About how we rewire never talked to him personally, and

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Speaker 2: I think he's my best friend.

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Speaker 4: So you know, you talking to him in our group,

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Speaker 4: what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I listen.

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Speaker 3: He talks about like taking out the quirkscrew and putting

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Speaker 3: the Bible, like doing these things, these acts, these acts

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Speaker 3: that are going to help you recircuit the habitual neural

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Speaker 1: About this and so oh that is wonderful.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so cool that we get to meet

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Speaker 3: people via you know, zoom and all the other things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how cool is technology? But in person and

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Speaker 3: what you're doing is I mean, I'm jealous because like

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Speaker 3: the gals in my community here with me say all

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Speaker 3: the time, like I just want in person hugs.

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Speaker 1: I just hugs.

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Speaker 2: I gotta And some of them that don't livet too locally,

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Speaker 2: they will drive quite far to come to that weekly

446
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Speaker 2: meeting just because they know. But before we opened, so

447
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Speaker 2: my group Joyful Surrender, which is my Monday night meeting,

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Speaker 2: they there's some of those women that have been with

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Speaker 2: me for a long time, and so I put out

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Speaker 2: there that by seniority, the first twelve that signed up

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Speaker 2: come Christen sale House and we had a retreat and

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Speaker 2: some of these women, I mean they flew in from Texas, Colorado,

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Speaker 2: and I have never met some of them in person

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Speaker 2: before in the years that we have been together. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the neighbors wonder, like, is it always going

456
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Speaker 2: to be this dramatic in the driveway, we really melting,

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Speaker 2: you know, just.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, you know. And we did these

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Speaker 1: boards like a paint project. And there's twelve of these

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Speaker 1: boards on the wall on the landing, and they were

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Speaker 1: the They're the first twelve, and twelve is just such

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Speaker 1: a significant number. And twelve is what were licensed for,

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Speaker 1: which is why there was twelve. But it was the

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Speaker 1: coolest weekend of my life.

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Speaker 4: That is so amazing.

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Speaker 3: I'm literally I have that on my my wish list

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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six is to get a community wide

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Speaker 3: retreat going.

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Speaker 4: So I'll have to, yeah, Nick your brain about it.

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Speaker 2: And I would love to do more retreats too, I said,

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Speaker 2: when the house isn't you know, in use for and patient,

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Speaker 2: I would love to get into doing more retreats.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that was so I love it. It was,

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Speaker 1: you know, three days and just it was so fulfilling.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: What has gotten better in as you've gone along in

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Speaker 3: your alcohol free journey, Like what has like just gotten

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Speaker 3: better and better.

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Speaker 2: I have noticed and maybe some people wudn't think that's better,

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Speaker 2: but it's been, especially in the last year. I don't

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Speaker 2: cowardo much. I don't apologize for who I am. I recently,

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Speaker 2: and this is really recent, when I had my surrender moment,

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Speaker 2: I hadn't been to I mean, I dabbled in a

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Speaker 2: couple AA meetings, but I was still drinking, so of

485
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Speaker 2: course they weren't real beneficial. But I hadn't tried anything

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Speaker 2: else for recovery, and so when I had my surrender moment,

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Speaker 2: it was just me, myself and God. And I did have,

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Speaker 2: you know, a supportive husband, but he was at the

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Speaker 2: place too where he was like really again, you know,

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Speaker 2: so there was some time that had to be had too.

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Speaker 2: So I never really was comfortable saying yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 2: go to rehab or no, I don't do the twelve steps,

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Speaker 2: because I did get a lot of funny looks or like,

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Speaker 2: oh hope that sticks, or and I'm very much for

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Speaker 2: all those things.

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Speaker 1: Believe me.

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Speaker 2: At sale House we introduced them to all those things

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Speaker 2: because you do need more support when you leave. And

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Speaker 2: the besides what we teach them. We want them to

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Speaker 2: find more communities. So I recently figured out that I

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Speaker 2: don't need to apologize for that.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I didn't start any of that is

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Speaker 1: because I started at the top.

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Speaker 2: I didn't start with all the supplements. I started with

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Speaker 2: the main thing. I started with God. So so often,

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Speaker 2: you know, and there's nothing wrong with us, So often

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Speaker 2: you start with all the tools that are around us.

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Speaker 1: You know, the meetings and the books and the you

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Speaker 1: know everything.

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Speaker 2: And then you find God in it and you've already

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Speaker 2: got all these other things in place, and that's great.

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Speaker 2: But I started with God and that was the only

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Speaker 2: thing I had, and I stayed quiet with that for

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Speaker 2: a long time, and he taught me a lot. So

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Speaker 2: I never went out and I and I've kind of

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Speaker 2: been apologetic for that, And you know what, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to apologize for that anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, why would you.

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Speaker 2: But in the moment when people, you know, AaB book

520
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Speaker 2: can be like, you know, God's at AA and I

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Speaker 2: believe that.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that, but I just that's just not

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Speaker 1: what was in me.

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Speaker 2: And I always felt a little Now you have a rehab,

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Speaker 2: but you didn't go to rehab I'm like, I didn't,

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Speaker 2: but I would go to this rehab.

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Speaker 3: So what has God taught you in kind of the

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Speaker 3: more recent years, because I want to speak to the

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Speaker 3: gals that that are, you know, some alcohol free time

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Speaker 3: under their belt and and just encourage them that it

531
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Speaker 3: basically literally just keeps getting better and better.

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Speaker 4: If it didn't, Sharry and I wouldn't be here right.

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Speaker 1: Now, exactly exactly. Oh boy.

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Speaker 2: So at one of our graduations, they have to give

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Speaker 2: their testimony. I don't tell them this till like a

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Speaker 2: week before, but they have to give their testimony. And

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Speaker 2: with all the journaling, and right, great, I just put

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Speaker 2: that out there. Sometimes you have to give your testimony.

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Speaker 2: But all the journaling they do, it's really not a

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Speaker 2: big deal, and it's it's up to them actually how

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Speaker 2: much or how little. But it turns into a very

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Speaker 2: very cool moment, and one of them sad because of

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Speaker 2: because of Sherry's yes, I got to say yes and

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Speaker 2: not my dog. You know, it went into the generations

545
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Speaker 2: and I started thinking about that later and that just

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Speaker 2: broke me because in the moment sitting at that graduation,

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Speaker 2: I was like, because I said yes to salehouse, no,

548
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Speaker 2: because I said yes, to sobriety, to recovery, to God.

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Speaker 2: So what I've learned is you never know where your

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Speaker 2: yes is going to take you and where your yes

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Speaker 2: is going to take somebody else, because look where my yes?

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Speaker 2: You know, yes to writing a book. You know, you

553
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Speaker 2: get things all the time, it's right. But the main

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Speaker 2: when somebody says, who is this? Who is this director

555
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: of this place? How do I know her? We send

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Speaker 2: him a book. We're like, here she is, That's who

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Speaker 2: she is, and that is the main way that people

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Speaker 2: find it. So yeah, so your best yes could turn

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Speaker 2: out to be somebody else's best yes and it could

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Speaker 2: save their life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, babe, that's so so good everyone. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: link the book in the show notes. But I love

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Speaker 3: this so much because it reads like your journal, so

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Speaker 3: incredibly related. And so everyone go get Cherry's incredible books

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Speaker 3: the Sober Cycle, and tell everyone where they can find

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Speaker 3: you and where they can learn more about sale House.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So I have a website she surrenders dot com. There's

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Speaker 2: also sale house Recovery dot org, and there is a

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Speaker 2: link to both websites on both, but Salehouse Recovery is

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and Facebook, as is she surrenders Sherry on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: So that's how you can find me. And what's the.

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Speaker 3: Cadence of when you bring out like galsan? Is it

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Speaker 3: like every like? How often is the intake.

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Speaker 2: When we have So we're kind of a cohort type model,

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Speaker 2: but we've kind of it's really hard to tell someone

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Speaker 2: to wait, so when they call, if they're ready, if

578
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: we have enough there that we feel like we can

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Speaker 2: just you know, implement you and get you caught up

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Speaker 2: or start where you are. We do a lot of

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Speaker 2: adapting because we don't want anybody to wait, and that's

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Speaker 2: been working really well.

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Speaker 1: Actually the busier we get.

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Speaker 2: So we're also looking at some longer term residency because

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Speaker 2: we have the room. We've had it recently where someone

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Speaker 2: wasn't really ready to go when we knew that.

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Speaker 1: So we're ever evolving and changing.

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Speaker 2: We have kind voices on the other end of the

589
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Speaker 2: phone with You'll never see a pop up on our

590
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: website like call now chat now, You'll never see that.

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Speaker 2: There's never any pressure, just anyone of us to talk

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Speaker 2: to and we'd love.

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Speaker 4: To do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just so in awe of you and I'm

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Speaker 3: so grateful for you and I love hanging out with you,

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Speaker 3: and thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're an inspiration to all of us too. Christy, together,

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Speaker 2: we're stronger, right, that is so true?

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Speaker 3: All right, my friend, thank you so much and we

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Speaker 3: will see you next week. Thanks gals, thank you for

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Speaker 3: spending this time with me on love Live Sober. If

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Speaker 3: today's conversation stirred something in your heart, don't rush past it,

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Speaker 3: take it to prayer. If you're feeling ready for deeper

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Speaker 3: connection and support, I'd love to invite you into the

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Speaker 3: love Life Sober community, a grace filled, shame free space

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Speaker 3: where real connection grows and lasting change takes root.

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Speaker 4: You can find the link to join us in the

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Speaker 4: show notes.

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Speaker 3: Love Life Sober is part of the Life Audio podcast network,

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Speaker 3: where faith centered podcasts help you grow deeper in your

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Speaker 3: walk with Christ. You can find more faith centered podcasts

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Speaker 3: at lifeaudio dot com. Until next time, be gentle with yourself,

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Speaker 3: stay curious, and trust God's promises.

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Speaker 4: He has freedom waiting for you