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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seekers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we are diving into some questions that

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Speaker 1: every parent should wrestle with. What if the little things

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Speaker 1: we do every day as parents matter far more than

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Speaker 1: we think. How much does our consistent witness lived out

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Speaker 1: and everyday moments really shape the lives and faith of

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Speaker 1: our kids? And how do we make the most of

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Speaker 1: that influence in this crazy world? Yep, those are the

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Speaker 1: questions we are going to explore today with Pastor Randy

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Speaker 1: Frazy and his wife Roseanne. This couple has been married

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Speaker 1: for over four decades. They have four grown children, lots

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Speaker 1: of grandkids, and incredible insights into what it looks like

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Speaker 1: to live out your faith an everyday family life. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the kind of rhythms and practices that can

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Speaker 1: build strong bonds within our kids and crown them in

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Speaker 1: the faith. That's the ground we will cover in this

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Speaker 1: episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. You know, a few

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Speaker 1: years ago I had the opportunity to interview one of

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Speaker 1: book Toxic Masculinity, she shared research that honestly, it stopped

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Speaker 1: me in my tracks. It revealed a striking contrast between

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Speaker 1: nominal Christian parents, those are parents who are Christian in

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Speaker 1: name only and deeply committed faithful Christian parents, especially fathers,

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Speaker 1: and the results were sobering. In homes where faith was

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Speaker 1: more of a label than a lived reality, there were

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Speaker 1: actually higher rates of divorce, abuse and broken relationships than

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Speaker 1: compared to non Christian families. But in homes where parents

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Speaker 1: genuinely lived out their faith and perfectly but consistently, the

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Speaker 1: outcomes were dramatically different. There were lower rates of divorce,

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Speaker 1: abuse and broken relationships than even the national average, far

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Speaker 1: lower in fact. And the difference came down to this,

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Speaker 1: not perfection, but a faith that was real and visible

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Speaker 1: and lived out day by day. And that's what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today, just how much our everyday lives as

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Speaker 1: parents shape our kids. How the small, ordinary moments, the

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Speaker 1: conversations around the dinner table, the rhythms of daily life

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Speaker 1: can build deep connection and help ground our kids in

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Speaker 1: the faith. Now, interestingly, this isn't actually what I originally invited.

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Speaker 1: Randy and Roseanne Frasey on the show to discuss They

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Speaker 1: have a powerful new book, Encountering God's Love from Genesis

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Speaker 1: to Revelation, which we plan to talk about, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, we will next week. But something else emerged

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Speaker 1: very organically and powerfully from their story, and.

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Speaker 1: It all began with a simple, everyday rhythm around the

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Speaker 1: dinner table. Randy wasn't raised in a Christian home, but

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Speaker 1: when he encountered a family that lived out their faith consistently, relationally,

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Speaker 1: and authentically, it changed everything. Randy Frasey is the pastor

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Speaker 1: emeritus of Western Family Church in Kansas City and the

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Speaker 1: author of multiple books for the church. Razanne Phrasey, his

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Speaker 1: lovely wife, brings a warm and grounded perspective on God's

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Speaker 1: selling book, Real Simplicity. Together they bring decades of lived experience, wisdom,

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Speaker 1: and insight. So that said, let's jump right in. Randy

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Speaker 1: and Rosanne, Welcome to Christian parent crazy world and so

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Speaker 1: awesome to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. Yeah, it's great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: So before we jump into day, why don't you tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about yourselves? Where you're from your family,

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Speaker 1: your ministry, what takes up the hours of your day?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll start, and then Rosanne, you want to start,

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Speaker 3: or once you go ahead and start.

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Speaker 4: Well, we are right now living between San Antonio and

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Speaker 2: We have been.

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Speaker 4: Married for forty four years and we have four children

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Speaker 4: my husband is still a pastor emeritus at Westside.

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Speaker 4: So we go between those to places and a few

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Speaker 3: Right now, So, yeah, we grew up in Cleveland, Ohio.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in an unchurched home. Roseanne grew up

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Speaker 3: in a very wonderful Christian home. I was invited to

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Speaker 3: And I was really smitten by particularly the men in

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Speaker 3: I had this ideaine, but if I could just stay

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Speaker 3: The father was a grocer, and so he only had

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Speaker 3: always had pasta pasta all the time. And I remember,

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Speaker 3: he said, in a very gentle voice, let's pray. And

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Speaker 3: And here's a guy that owns a grocery store that says, hey,

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Speaker 3: He's saying, hey, God, thank you for the food. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: why are they thinking God for the food? You know

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Speaker 3: else have a problem with this? So I peeked and

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Speaker 3: And I remember thinking, then, I would love to have

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Speaker 1: And Aha, there we are. You're the grocer's daughter, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: I am the daughter?

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh, I tell you grocery. So my mother in law,

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Speaker 1: her maiden name is Terra Bussi, and her father got

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Speaker 1: of we have a lot of great pasta dinners in

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Speaker 1: those big distinctions you saw you saw that, I know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom and dad. My mom died at sixty

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Speaker 3: two cancer, but and so my parents were married forty

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Speaker 3: recognize is they, particularly the men. I was really dialed

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Speaker 3: just the maybe the softness of their voice, the willingness

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Speaker 3: there there wasn't a defensiveness in the women. You know,

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Speaker 3: And then just the way in which I just noticed.

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Speaker 3: To the point Catherine, as a pastor now for thirty

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Speaker 3: the pastor is saying, but it's what they're picking up

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Speaker 3: from you. And I just was mesmerized by that. I

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Speaker 3: don't think I'm the only one. And so I think

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Speaker 3: over the forty five years, forty four years that we've

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Speaker 3: have been married for fifty years if they let you

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Speaker 3: get married at fifteen in Cleveland, but we've been married

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Speaker 3: forty five years. I was twenty yearsyears old. And to

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Speaker 3: still that original vision that I want to be that

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Speaker 3: want to finish that way. It's a deep passion of

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Speaker 1: Better way to live, for sure. I love how detail

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Speaker 1: That's really awesome. I know. I just want to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that's not everybody's experience in the church, and every Christian

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Speaker 1: family's experience. I've had wonderful conversations previously with Nancy Pearcy.

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Speaker 1: I know that she talked about a lot of statistics

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Speaker 1: out there, it's the families what she is honed in

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Speaker 1: on it's the families that you were noticing. The ones

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Speaker 1: that really lived this book, lived the Bible, brought it

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Speaker 1: in there showed that nominal Christians actually have worse statistics.

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Speaker 1: There's more abuse, more divorce, and those families that are

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Speaker 1: kind of using this as a means in order to

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Speaker 1: living out of the faith. And when we see that practice,

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Speaker 1: and we see it practiced in other parts of the world,

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Speaker 1: here on this earth, even if we didn't have the

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Speaker 1: promise of eternity. But as you pointed out, we do

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Speaker 1: have that promise of eternity. And I think we could

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Speaker 1: fascinating because of the way the Christian family is intended

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Speaker 3: in the Gospel of Luke, and there's something super dynamic

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Speaker 3: the people on the road to the two guys on

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Speaker 3: the road to Ammais didn't recognize who Jesus was until

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Speaker 3: they sat down and shared a meal together. And there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of research that shows that kids who have

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Speaker 3: a loving experience around the table with kin folk traditionally

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Speaker 3: extremely better than kids who don't have that. There's something

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Speaker 3: in psychology they call it a commonsalady that happens that

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Speaker 3: psychologists can't quite figure out what's going on in the brain,

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Speaker 3: but there's something that that dynamic goes on. So we

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Speaker 3: would say that a lot of our storytelling, a lot

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Speaker 3: of our traditions that emerged came right out of the

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Speaker 3: dinner table, which were typically two hours long.

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Speaker 1: Wow, like every day two hours long.

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Speaker 4: As often as we could do it, we probably had

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Speaker 4: four at least five dinners a week.

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Speaker 1: I am really really jealous of that, and I would

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Speaker 1: add to that, Yeah, sometimes with homeschooling families that can

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Speaker 1: be more prevalent the meal time event of the day.

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Speaker 1: But then there are seasons and we're in one of

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Speaker 1: those seasons. Now. I expressed to you earlier my husband's

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Speaker 1: working out of state and he's always been in an

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Speaker 1: industry too. The industry that he's been in is one

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Speaker 1: with long hours. Sometimes he would come home after dinner.

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Speaker 1: We didn't want that, but just depending on the functions

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Speaker 1: where he was working, we have over the years really

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Speaker 1: tried to make an event of the meal time and

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Speaker 1: one thing we my husband loves to do with the kids.

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Speaker 1: This is so great and I think, by the way,

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Speaker 1: if you guys are okay with us, I would love

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Speaker 1: to follow up with the second a second episode to talk.

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Speaker 6: About your actual book, because this is just taking another turn.

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Speaker 6: But I love this conversation about emphasizing what's going on

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Speaker 6: in our families and how to really make that connection

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Speaker 6: stronger with our kids, to have a strong, strong family,

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Speaker 6: the impact of godly parenting, not perfect parenting, but godly

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Speaker 6: parenting in our homes.

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Speaker 1: If you're okay with that, if you can stay a

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Speaker 1: few extra minutes and we can just we'll continue this

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Speaker 1: one out and then do a second episode.

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Speaker 2: Is that okay? So great? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I think that if I

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Speaker 3: can interject, I really do believe that, you know, one

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Speaker 3: of the challenges that parents have is wanting to spend

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Speaker 3: time with their kids. And you go to sit down

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Speaker 3: with them and it's and it could be awkward. You're

479
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Speaker 3: not sure what to do, so you end up talking

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Speaker 3: at them or you ask them an insane amount of

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Speaker 3: questions and it's just overwhelming to them. So really, what

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Speaker 3: you want to do is kind of like the Deuteronomy.

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Speaker 3: It's like as you as you get up in the morning,

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Speaker 3: and as you go along the way, as you're doing

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Speaker 3: something else, and so you know, for you know, my boys,

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Speaker 3: you know, we like to golf together, you know. And

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Speaker 3: I like to say that women have four hours of

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Speaker 3: conversation in thirty minutes, and then have thirty minutes of

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Speaker 3: conversation in four hours, you know, And so it's you know,

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Speaker 3: and so what's so beautiful about the dinner time is

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Speaker 3: that it is it's a demonstration that something had to

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Speaker 3: die in order for us to live. And so Jesus

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Speaker 3: created the whole sacrifice, death and resurrection in every single

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Speaker 3: meal that we take that something had to die in

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Speaker 3: order for us to live. And that's why Jesus, I think,

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Speaker 3: put the number one remembrance of his death and resurrection. Hey,

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Speaker 3: remember this until I come Remember my death until I

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Speaker 3: come back. And so there's some some beautiful like art,

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Speaker 3: you know, just really coming across. But we're also doing

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Speaker 3: something so for you know, one of our tricks is

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Speaker 3: one table, one conversation, family style. In other words, we

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Speaker 3: net and less. There's just way too many people. We

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Speaker 3: never do buffet. We always the art of having to

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Speaker 3: having to help each other, and particularly if you're Italian.

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Speaker 3: And then so the aasigna tray is too heavy to pass.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got to like all work together, so

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Speaker 3: no one really starts eating until everybody's plate has been

508
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Speaker 3: you know, everything has been passed, and there's just a

509
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Speaker 3: formality to it. There's a communal aspect to it. So

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Speaker 3: it's one table and one conversation and that has just

511
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Speaker 3: really played out beautifully for us. It's the number one place,

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Speaker 3: not the only place where we have transferred our faith.

513
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Speaker 3: It's where we've transferred our values. It's where we transferred

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Speaker 3: our deep love. You know, there's a definition by Alan

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Speaker 3: Shore of joy. You know, they've done a lot of

516
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Speaker 3: I wrote a book called The Joy Challenge, and so

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Speaker 3: I've done a lot of neural study on neuroscience as

518
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Speaker 3: it relates to joy and compared it to the writings

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Speaker 3: of Paul And it's basically, right behind your eyes, there

520
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Speaker 3: is a part of your brain that where joy is

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Speaker 3: is released. And when someone looks you in the eye

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Speaker 3: and says it says, I enjoy being with you, they

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Speaker 3: can see it in your eyes. Don't even any words

524
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Speaker 3: are spoken. I just enjoy being with you. That's going

525
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Speaker 3: to release these chemicals in your brain that create a

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Speaker 3: tremendous sense of joy. And so we have just found

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Speaker 3: that a lot of parenting is nonverbal. It's just your

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Speaker 3: body language, it's just your your attitude. And and Razanna

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Speaker 3: and I have always been really good at not raising

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Speaker 3: our voice. You know, we you know now I don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't. Neither one of us have Well, she's Italian,

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Speaker 3: so she has a little bit of a problem with it.

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Speaker 3: But I have to.

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Speaker 1: Throwing you under the bus there earlier.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we always felt as parents as soon

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Speaker 3: as you raised your voice. You were communicating to your children.

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Speaker 3: You're no longer in control.

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Speaker 1: You are absolutely and I have lost control. I am

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Speaker 1: not Italian, so I'll throw my own I'll throw myself

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Speaker 1: under the bus here. My husband comes from an Italian family,

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Speaker 1: and he's he's usually able to keep it a little

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Speaker 1: more calm. I'm I'm the passionate, fiery one. I get

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Speaker 1: passionate about all sorts of things. So sometimes I have

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Speaker 1: had that happen in the past, and I've done exactly

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Speaker 1: what you prescribed earlier. You've got to sit down with

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Speaker 1: your kids and take ownership of what you did and

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Speaker 1: truly repent, saying you're sorry, please forgive me I was

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Speaker 1: wrong and try to re repair that relationship. But what

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Speaker 1: were your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 4: I do want to have I do want to add

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Speaker 4: something because one of the things the table can be

552
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Speaker 4: is a place where children can voice their concerns and

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Speaker 4: their questions and their which as Christians, I don't think

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Speaker 4: we've done a good job in the church or in

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Speaker 4: our families. We send to be a little afraid of

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Speaker 4: those questions. And I think that when kids don't get

557
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Speaker 4: their questions answered at home or in the church, and

558
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Speaker 4: they don't feel it safe to ask it. Of course,

559
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Speaker 4: they go off to college and now they've got professors

560
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Speaker 4: who are very willing to take their questions and answer

561
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Speaker 4: them the way they want to. So we've got to

562
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Speaker 4: be more attuned to the fact that kids needs to

563
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Speaker 4: question their faith, and we need Randy likes to say,

564
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Speaker 4: when they come to us with their first question to go,

565
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Speaker 4: you say, you know what, I don't really believe in God.

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Speaker 2: Mom good.

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Speaker 4: I've been waiting for this moment because they have to

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Speaker 4: make their faith their own.

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Speaker 2: It's very, very important.

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Speaker 4: It's something that I particularly had to be aware of

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Speaker 4: because I think I was afraid that if they doubted,

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Speaker 4: it was my fault as a parent. So I'm creating

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Speaker 4: a safe place for kids to have their doubts and

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Speaker 4: their questions opened up.

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Speaker 2: And that can be the dinner place. Dinner table can

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Speaker 2: be that place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs to be a conversation. Not necessarily. Although

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Speaker 1: I come from a family of debaters. We're really good

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Speaker 1: at this. My brother is a litigator, and so as

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Speaker 1: long as it's healthy, but I think, you know, we

581
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Speaker 1: debate stuff all the time. My daughter is in college now,

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Speaker 1: she's a political science major, so we debate things all

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Speaker 1: the time, but so long as we know, hey, it's

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Speaker 1: okay to express your feelings, I'm not going to think

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Speaker 1: less of you. It's okay to express doubt. I want

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Speaker 1: you to express your doubt to me. I would really

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Speaker 1: really love it if you would come, if we had

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Speaker 1: that kind of an open relationship where you can express

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Speaker 1: your doubt here and we can process it and we

590
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Speaker 1: can walk through it. I can help add maybe some

591
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Speaker 1: of my own experiences to the mix here and explain

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Speaker 1: some of the things that I've been through. But at

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Speaker 1: a certain point, it's not a lesson anymore. It's a

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Speaker 1: relationship and we're helping our kids. I love this idea.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love this idea of the two hour dinner.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had time for that every day. One

597
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Speaker 1: of the things I was going to add in that

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Speaker 1: we love to do though. My husband has been in

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Speaker 1: the culinary world. He's in the hotel industry on the

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Speaker 1: culinary side for over thirty years, and one of the

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Speaker 1: things he loves to do is let the kid pick

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Speaker 1: some sort of a meal, just anything. My husband's extremely

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Speaker 1: talented in the kitchen, so pick what you want and

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Speaker 1: we'll make it from scratch. So the meal actually starts

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Speaker 1: long before we sit down to the table. It starts

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Speaker 1: in the planning phase. Okay, this is what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna plan and make this meal. And you know what, Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you can't cook, well try it, and so what,

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Speaker 1: you can always order pizza later.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's just the part of it that is so incredible.

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Speaker 1: And we love this in our Italian heritage. My mother

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Speaker 1: in law has the original stick from her Annie Palell

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Speaker 1: that they would roll out the pasta with, and so

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Speaker 1: I have pictures going way back of Nony with the

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Speaker 1: grandkids out the pasta, making it together and starting from

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Speaker 1: the inception of the idea of the meal, of what

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Speaker 1: you want to do. And we haven't just an Italian.

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Speaker 1: We've done Vietnamese fa was one of my absolute favorite things.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love Vietnamese fa. We did like a German schnitzel.

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Speaker 1: We have done, of course, all the Italian stuff from scratch,

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Speaker 1: and because my husband's so great, most of it turns

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Speaker 1: the Chinese. I don't know why Chinese food has been

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Speaker 1: a struggle for us, but the point of it is.

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Speaker 1: We've done it together, and then you sit down and

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Speaker 1: you I love Okay, dig into this this one topic

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, the first thing that we do

650
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Speaker 3: that's sustainable is we go around. I always start from

651
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: the left to the right, and whoever's at the table,

652
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: regardless of their guests or neighbors, shares their day. But

653
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: it's not highs and lows. We're not a highs and

654
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: lows family. We went the whole thing. And one of

655
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: the reasons why children struggle to share their day is

656
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: that you've made it interpretive, you know, versus just a

657
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: description of what actually happened. So we just make it

658
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 3: a description actually happened. I think that sometimes kids are like, oh,

659
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to interpret the best and the worst

660
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 3: thing to happen. I got to interpret.

661
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Speaker 1: So that's just work.

662
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we just start off with I got up.

663
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: That's where everybody starts their day. It's a rule on Earth, family,

664
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Speaker 3: I got up, and then people are asking you questions

665
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: all throughout the deal. Because for me to be able

666
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Speaker 3: to solve my insomnia problem, I had to stop going

667
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: back to work after six o'clock, and so in our

668
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: family from my daughter who's now forty one, so it's

669
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: eleven when we did this, so it's forty years ago.

670
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: I haven't gone back to work after six o'clock in

671
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: forty years maybe with a rare exception. And the same

672
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: thing was going to be true for our kids. So

673
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 3: we incentivize them, you know, to get their homework done

674
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: before dinner. Now, the season where we did homeschool, they

675
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 3: were typically done by one o'clock, which is amazing, which

676
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: is like, well, what's not good about this? So that's interpreted.

677
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: But what we did. I wrote a series called Believe,

678
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: which is the thirty biggest ideas in the Bible, and

679
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: so ten of them are beliefs, ten of them are

680
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Speaker 3: spiritual practices, ten of them are virtues. And we created

681
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: credle statements for and we call them key ideas. So

682
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: each of the ideas is on a card and it

683
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: has a key idea, statement, summary, and a scripture. So God,

684
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Speaker 3: I believe, the God of the Bible is the only

685
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: true godfather, son, holy spirits. I can create the in

686
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen made the Lord you know, you know, you

687
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: know the deal personal God. I believe God is involved

688
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: in and cares about my daily life, you know, or

689
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: love I sacrificially and unconditionally love each other's And so

690
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: we talked that to our children. They mem z the

691
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: key ideas, and at dinner time we would present a

692
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 3: case study, or the case study would actually come from

693
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Speaker 3: something that happened to them. I think Roseanne might remember

694
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Speaker 3: one time our son came home and said, hey, one

695
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: of my closest friends just told us that his parents

696
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 3: are getting a divorce. And so they would have each

697
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: of them have a set of the cards in front

698
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: of them, and they had to interface, you know, with

699
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Speaker 3: that idea, but they had to lead with one of

700
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: the cards either a belief, either a spiritual discipline like

701
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: prayer or reading the scriptures, or single mindedness, or a

702
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: virtue like joy, peace, humility. And so we didn't do

703
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: that throughout their entire childhood, but particularly in the then

704
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: age where you guys that are doing more classical education

705
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: would appreciate, you know, just giving your kids in that

706
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 3: season where they're ready to at least drop into the

707
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: dialectical or rhetorical deal. And sometimes there would be a

708
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: little bit of disagreement. For the most part, it was

709
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: then practicing utilizing, you know, utilizing applying principle to our

710
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: real life situation. And our daughter says that it was

711
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Speaker 3: it was the very she went to a Christian school,

712
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: and yet she would say this was this was the

713
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: depth and voundation of her biblical education.

714
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Speaker 1: Wow happened in the home. That's beautiful. That is beautiful.

715
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Speaker 1: I love these practical tips that we can take and

716
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Speaker 1: try to incorporate.

717
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: What would you.

718
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Speaker 1: Say to them to the family who is kind of

719
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: crazy busy here like a season like mine where my

720
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Speaker 1: husband's working three and a half hours north and coming

721
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Speaker 1: home for forty eight hours on the weekend, and you

722
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Speaker 1: know we're about to start empty nesting as we relocate

723
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Speaker 1: to be where my husband's job is. But or a

724
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Speaker 1: family who's out there, who has parents who are, for

725
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Speaker 1: what you know, may have to work a lot of

726
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: evenings and can't be home, how can we then try

727
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Speaker 1: to get back to this this meal time. I love

728
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Speaker 1: what you said earlier, Randy. I never I thought about

729
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: it quite in that way that something had to die

730
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Speaker 1: for us to eat, even if it's a piece of fruit,

731
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Speaker 1: it had to fall from the tree or be picked

732
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Speaker 1: from the tree. I had to die first eat. I

733
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Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever really thought about a meal

734
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Speaker 1: that way before, but that is exactly why communion is

735
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Speaker 1: so powerful. Is he took the bread and the wine

736
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Speaker 1: or the grape juice, and this exemplifies what he did.

737
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Speaker 1: He died for us. That is what communion is. But

738
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Speaker 1: every time we sit down to eat, something died, whether

739
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Speaker 1: it's a shaft of wheat or a tomato or an animal,

740
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: it died for us to be able to live. That

741
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: is so powerful. So it makes sense that the that

742
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: we've lost this art, particularly in American families and in

743
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Speaker 1: the American Church, of really honoring and I think reverencing

744
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: the meal, and we have them multiple times per day

745
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: and we just treat them kind of trivially. And I'm

746
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: so convicted by this conversation, which when somewhere completely different

747
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: than I expected, but I'm so convicted by that that

748
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: our meals need to be more sacred and we need

749
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: to honor the fact that something died for us to

750
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Speaker 1: be able to live, and to use that time as

751
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Speaker 1: one of the primary times throughout our week. Maybe it

752
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: can't be every single day, but if we strategically plan

753
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: times throughout the week, to have these reflective moments and

754
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: these conversations with our children to where the life that's

755
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: coming out of our meals isn't just physical life, but

756
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Speaker 1: it is also spiritual life. So how would you do

757
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Speaker 1: you have any ideas for families or in seasons like

758
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: mine or I don't know what all the seasons are

759
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: out there that a lot of the families are, but

760
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: I know, even pre us to this season, my husband's

761
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: job was such that he couldn't make it home for

762
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: dinner every night of the week, but they're still nights

763
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Speaker 1: that he could. So how do you speak to those

764
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: families who are struggling to make this a priority find

765
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Speaker 1: the time to do this.

766
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Speaker 3: I'd like to add a couple of more scientific, sort

767
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: of biblical idea and then give Rosanna a chance, because

768
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: she's the practical one in our family. She's the one

769
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: that even now is empty nesters, is if she's the

770
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: one who's our main cook in the family. And as

771
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: soon as she puts it all together, I mean, tonight

772
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: we are we're empty nesters. So tonight we're doing we

773
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: almost every night have dinner, so she we're taking We're

774
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: in our apartment here in Kansas City, so we have

775
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: a little studio apartment here, but we're going over at

776
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: neighbor's house and they're coming together. Rosanne has made an

777
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: amazing bourbon chicken recipe that's going to be fantastic, and

778
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: we'll put all the fixings together and we'll take the

779
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: instapot down and we'll have a wonderful evening. And so

780
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Speaker 3: the probable. Last week when we were at our primary home,

781
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 3: we did three dinners, you know, with other people coming

782
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: over and sharing meal, and they're always really rich because

783
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: it's in art. It's an art form. I'll say I'll

784
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: share two things. Number one, several years ago, Columbia University

785
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: came out with a study and said that they have

786
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: discovered the number one thing, the number one thing that

787
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: will be a deterrent to your children being involved in

788
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: premarital sex, drugs, smoking and drug smoking and alcohol abuse.

789
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: And that number one thing was dinner five nights a week,

790
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: and the number was five. So here's the thing. The

791
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: reason I say that is because first of all, we think, no,

792
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: this is unrealistic, but because we love our kids, if

793
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: we discover the number one thing that we can do,

794
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: you'd say, well, you know what, we're going to figure

795
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: that out. So the first thing is is that look

796
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: at the facts and put that up against your love

797
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: for your children and figure it out. Figure it out.

798
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: As a busy pastor. When we figured this out, I

799
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: went to my board and I said, hey, listen, I

800
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: can't do meetings in the evening anymore. So we moved

801
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: our board meeting to six o'clock in the morning. It's

802
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: when we moved it. And I started, can.

803
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: I throw that in there, which you hate?

804
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: I hated it. I hated it. I hated it. But

805
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 3: I but I. But I valued the real truth about

806
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: what happens with our kids, and so I did it

807
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: as a as an adjustment to my life.

808
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: It was a sacrifice. That's the sacrifice you made to

809
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: prioritize what was most important.

810
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: And then I started working six days a week. So

811
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Speaker 3: you know the pattern in Genesis as you worked six off,

812
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: six off one. And so I started working on Saturdays

813
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: and to so if I needed to meet with volunteers,

814
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: it was a Saturday morning, it was a Saturday morning

815
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: get together. And I found myself as a very busy pastor,

816
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: home most evenings for dinner. And another thing I will

817
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: tell you is that when you look in we called

818
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: the Hebrew day planner, when you look at the structure

819
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: of a day. You know, in Genesis chapter one, after

820
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: every day of Creation, I don't know if you ever noticed,

821
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: it said, and there was evening and morning the first day,

822
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: and there was evening and morning, and then I never

823
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: questioned that, like that's backwards. It should say and there's

824
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: morning and evening. That's because you know, we don't think

825
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: in the Hebrew way of thinking. The day begins at

826
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: dusk the day before the day begins. And in Hebrew,

827
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: whatever is first is most important. That's why you can

828
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: watch The Fiddler on the Roof and the show opens

829
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: up with the father scurry. He's scurrying to get everything

830
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: done because at six o'clock the day begins, the most

831
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: important thing begins, and that is dinner around the table.

832
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: We're in the Jewish table, you know, the mom and

833
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: dad physically verbally blessed their children at the dinner table.

834
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Speaker 3: And so we don't see the meal as a refueling

835
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: for the next day or for whatever time we have

836
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: left over. We see it as the destination. It is

837
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: the deskine nation. And and and you know, even in

838
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: the first century church. It wasn't a Sunday morning gathering

839
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: that they did the meat. It was the church met

840
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 3: in the triclivium, the dining room, the three sided table

841
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: at dinner time, and communion wasn't a little tiny wafer

842
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: in a little cup. Dinner was the whole meal itself.

843
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: It says that you know, they that he took the cup,

844
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: and then so they take the cup first, and it

845
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: says after supper he took the bread. And so communion

846
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: wasn't just a little I'm okay with the ecclesia, I

847
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: do it all the time, the little eclesiastical expression of

848
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: it of a piece of bread and a cup. But

849
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: the genuine expression of communion in the First centry Church

850
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: was an entire meal. So there's a I think once

851
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: you get a sense of the research as well as

852
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: the theology of it, that is what motivates you to

853
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: take what you think is currently impossible and you make

854
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: it happen. So but Raseianne, we do still know that

855
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: your husband's in this episode in his life where he

856
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: can't do anything about it, and so we'res in you

857
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: want to throw out a couple of alternative ideas well.

858
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: The first thing I'd say is life goes in seasons, right,

859
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 4: nothing All this doesn't stay the same.

860
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: It changes.

861
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: Our kids are growing and changing and they have new

862
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: seasons in their life, and so do we. And I

863
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: think God knows this, and so he yes, that's why

864
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 4: he gives us grace and he will get us through it,

865
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: and we do the best we can during those seasons.

866
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: Do two meals a week, and families who have never

867
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 4: done this before, we suggest they start with one night

868
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: a week. Set that as a family night, and you're

869
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: going to have dinner and you're going to play games.

870
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: Afterwards or whatever.

871
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 4: But everybody does their best to get all their work

872
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: done by dinner time. And then after dinner time you

873
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 4: just play and you linger around the table. And try

874
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: that one night a week, and then after several weeks,

875
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: go back to your kids and see which is their

876
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: favorite night of the week. Is it when they were

877
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: out playing sports or is it that dinner table. I

878
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 4: know for me, growing up, my dad was a grocer.

879
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 4: He got up at five o'clock in the morning, went

880
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: to the market, bought all the produce to get to

881
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: the store and set it all up and worked and

882
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 4: he didn't get home until eight o'clock at night, except

883
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: on Sunday, and it was I look back and I'm like,

884
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: that was my favorite meal of the week. My favorite

885
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: time in my family was Sunday after church when we

886
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: had my dad, my mom, and all my siblings there

887
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: and Randy as time went on, and that was my

888
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: favorite night of the week, favorite day of the week

889
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: because we were all together.

890
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 2: And those are some of my favorite times I remember.

891
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: Now.

892
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you can go lunch, you know, maybe if

893
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: it can't be dinner, go lunch, go go breakfast.

894
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: We have to do breakfast because we can't do the dinner.

895
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 4: And that's okay too.

896
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: That's long.

897
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: You have time before school and everybody gets up earth.

898
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: I think another thing, Roseanne you can speak to because Catherine,

899
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: your husband's culinary train. Roseanne is not, but she's she's

900
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: earned an honorary doctorate in it, and uh and so

901
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: and so. One of one of the things is we've

902
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: taught about and wrote a book called Real Simplicity, which

903
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 3: has a lot of our stuff related to the table

904
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: on it together and recipes and all that is that

905
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: people get intimidated by someone like your husband or Roseanne.

906
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: And so Razanne has done a really good job of

907
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: giving uh you know whoever is the cook of the

908
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: family but doesn't have time alternative ideas, you know not

909
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: you know taco bell, you know anything you have to

910
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 3: unwrap with the piece of paper. You've got to bring

911
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 3: a little bit more vision to the table than that.

912
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: But you know how you can go ahead and make

913
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: the meal more sensible. Just gif you Roseanne. There's a

914
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: couple of.

915
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 4: Pot amazing because it have a spot in it as well.

916
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 4: You can do just about everything in that one pot.

917
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: I'm using the spot tonight just because I knew we

918
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: were doing the podcast today. And I do a lot

919
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 4: of baking in the oven, which is you know good.

920
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: The air fier is a new invention that is a

921
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 4: miracle time saver. It's wonderful, you know. And I keep

922
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: my recipe simple honestly. I don't do what your husband

923
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 4: does and start from scratch. So I don't make my

924
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: own pasta, but I find a healthy pasta to eat.

925
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: I plan my meals out for the week and then

926
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 4: I don't have to worry about it. Do the grocery shopping.

927
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: I have an app on my phone that's wonderful for

928
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: doing that. You can put all your recipes in there,

929
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: and once you set it up, all I do is

930
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: go choose the recipe for the week and then upload

931
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: it to the grocery list that's on there, and then

932
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: I can get online and order groceries, have them delivered

933
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 4: or go pick them up. And I don't even have

934
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: to spend time at the grocery store.

935
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: What what app is that?

936
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: That's called Paprika Paprika?

937
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 4: Okay, So I spend maybe thirty minutes trying to figuring

938
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: out what what do we have that from my calendar

939
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 4: and what nights am I going to cook? And I

940
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 4: just go from there. But everything is right in that app.

941
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: It's it's great.

942
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I need to check that out. I need to definitely

943
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: check that out because I am the queen of the

944
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: quick meal. Like I don't enjoy being in the kitchen,

945
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: but you know, if you could find ways to make

946
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: it more relational, if you know, you know, being in

947
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: there by myself or whatever and just living away for

948
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: the rest of everybody, you know, the rest of the family,

949
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: instead making it an event for everyone that we all

950
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: start and we all finished together. So what were you

951
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: going to say, Randie, Yeah, I was.

952
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: Going to say a couple of things. Did you have

953
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: something you want to I just.

954
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: Wanted to add, Catherine, you said, make it more relational,

955
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 4: and I think it's important to remember that. You know,

956
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 4: I may make a pot of lasagna soup, which is

957
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: not fancy. It's basically dump it in the instapot and

958
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 4: it's done.

959
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: But it's not really about the food.

960
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: It is about the It is about nutrition, but it's

961
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: about the relationships around the table. So when you said,

962
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: make it more relational, and I think that needs to

963
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: be our focus. And one more thing, you have to

964
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 4: be intentional to do dinners.

965
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: You can't just.

966
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: Think they're going to happen. They take some planning.

967
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: So if somebody can take that role and at least

968
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: plan the nights you're going to have dinner and what

969
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: you're going to have, I think that's half the battle. See.

970
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: And what I appreciate about what you're saying here is

971
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: like I, this hasn't been a passion of mine, but

972
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: you're making it something I'm more interested in because I

973
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: just I don't naturally I'm not naturally inclined to the

974
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: culinary arts. But when you realize the relational takeaways that

975
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: we have here and the spiritual takeaways we have here

976
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: of every meal something having to die for us to

977
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: consume it and to live. I'm starting to see that

978
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: as more of a sacred function, something that needs to

979
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: be a lot higher on my priority list of things

980
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: to really plan out better. I haven't always been great

981
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: at that. But what were you saying, Randy.

982
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: Well, A couple of things. I mean, we you know,

983
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: we can go you can go to a decent grocery

984
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: store now, and I know, and sometimes we'll just get

985
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: a meal that's almost pre cooked already.

986
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, from traveling. Yeah, and I do know that.

987
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: You know that, you know, one of the problems with

988
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: the BCD in America is the fact that good food

989
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: costs more money. And so don't I don't be insensitive

990
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: to the listeners that you know struggle in that regard.

991
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, hey, when our

992
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: kids were younger, one of the things we would do

993
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: is we'd say, tonight's TV dinner night, and we would

994
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: go to the grocery store and everyone would pick out

995
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: their own TV dinner. Oh my gosh. It was so

996
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 3: they were like I was. For some reason, it was

997
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: always the Salisbury steak in the mashed potatoes, but the

998
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: kids would just try their deals and we would do

999
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 3: that as an alternative. And I'll tell you another example,

1000
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 3: you know, speaking of busy schedules, we have a son

1001
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 3: who was raised around the table, and today he is

1002
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: married and he is a litigator. He's a partner in

1003
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: a law firm in DC. His wife produces the news

1004
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: hour for PBS, which is while aired from six to seven.

1005
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: And two years ago they adopted three children from Bulgaria,

1006
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: and so my they but they see the value of

1007
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: rhythm and things like that. So my son gets up

1008
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: extra early and goes in. She takes the kids to

1009
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: school in the morning. Then my son gets off early

1010
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: and picks the kids up and runs them through their routine,

1011
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: includes including cooking dinner every night. And to our surprise,

1012
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: because we were just there two weeks ago, we're going

1013
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: to be there again next week. To our surprise, he

1014
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: stucked it up and he can cook. And then he

1015
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: sits down and has dinner with them. And then when

1016
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: his wife gets home, she sits down and finishes up

1017
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: with them, and then they go upstairs and they bathe

1018
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: the kids and put them down together. And then typically

1019
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: she'll come back downstairs and they'll do dinner together. So

1020
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of an alteration to the plan,

1021
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: but that's just the season of life they're in. They

1022
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: could make it so much easier on themselves, but they've

1023
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: chosen the hard path. But it's altered. And I think

1024
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: that it's just like the Sabbath, where, you know, the

1025
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: religious leaders just got it all wrong, which is why

1026
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: Jesus ticked them off by almost doing all his miracles

1027
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: on the Sabbath. By the way, it had less it

1028
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: had less to do. It had less to do with

1029
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 3: the miracle and more to do it ticking them off,

1030
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: you know.

1031
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: Turning of the screw there.

1032
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just that whole idea that is that you

1033
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: were not made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made

1034
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: for you. And we'd say the same thing about the

1035
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 3: concept of the beauty of the meal. It is way

1036
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: more sacred. And that's why we've spent so much time

1037
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: here talking about the sacredness of it and about the

1038
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: importance of it, and about the passion for and the

1039
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: research for it, so that it might create a discontent

1040
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 3: in our listeners who would say, you know what we're

1041
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: going to We're not maybe going to do it perfectly,

1042
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: but that's okay. You weren't made for the table. The

1043
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: table was made for you, so just do it. And

1044
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: I think Roseanne's advice if you're doing zero, do one,

1045
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: give it a try, and if it works, do too.

1046
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 3: But but if you want to do the full deal,

1047
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 3: it's five months.

1048
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hey, even if you can, like in our season,

1049
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: maybe we need to skype my husband in for some

1050
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: beeals and he could eatse some idea. Yeah, yeah, I know.

1051
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: I think that's perfect. I really do. Even if he

1052
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: can't be there for the whole deal, maybe he's there.

1053
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I tell you, Catherine again, this is not

1054
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: I remember in the New Testament, Paul would say, this

1055
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: is not the Lord speaking, this is me. So this

1056
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: is Randy speaking, not the Lord. But because of the

1057
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: impact of Roseanne's dad, al Vitanti, Albert pet Unberto Vetanti,

1058
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: had on me when he humbled himself and prayed, I

1059
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: never delegate the meal prayer to anyone. I always sit

1060
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 3: at the head of the table, and I always humble

1061
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: myself before who was ever there but my kids. And

1062
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: that's not legal that's not legalism to me. That is

1063
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: a passion because of how her father changed my passion

1064
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 3: to be a gentle and spiritually minded husband and father.

1065
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: And so even if you skype them in to say, hey,

1066
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: we can't eat until Dad says the prayer or whatever

1067
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: it is, or you know, it could be something even

1068
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: a little bit more fun than that.

1069
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, this has been so rich and completely unexpected.

1070
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm hungry now. Actually, I don't think I've had a

1071
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: meal today, and it's mid afternoon. I think I've just knacked.

1072
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: So this has been so refreshing. I wanted you alluded

1073
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: to the scripture portions in Deuteronomy earlier in our closing moments.

1074
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted to read these and throw it to

1075
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: you for the last word. But this is a portion

1076
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: of scripture I memorized years ago, and I absolutely love.

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Speaker 1: It's in Deuteronomy six and Deuteronomy eleven. Again, it's fixed

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Speaker 1: these words of mine and your hearts and minds. Tie

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Speaker 1: them as symbols on your hands, bind them on your foreheads,

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Speaker 1: teach them to your children, talking about them as you

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Speaker 1: come and go, as you at home and when you

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Speaker 1: walk along the road, when you lie down, and when

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Speaker 1: you get up. Write them on the doorframes of your houses,

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Speaker 1: and we have actually scripture over the doorframe of our house.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite portions of scripture is Psalm ninety one,

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Speaker 1: and so we put that over the doorframe of our

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Speaker 1: house and on your gate, so that your days and

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Speaker 1: the days of your children may be many in the

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Speaker 1: land that the Lord swore to give to your ancestors,

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Speaker 1: as many as the days that the heavens are above

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Speaker 1: the earth. Fix these words of mine in your heart,

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Speaker 1: and this is one of the richest places I think

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Speaker 1: that we can really do this and not only minister

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Speaker 1: to us, minister to our family, our children, but also

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Speaker 1: their friends. I was so moved by the stories that

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Speaker 1: you had of other people coming into your home. But

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Speaker 1: who knows what of those kids might be your son

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Speaker 1: in law or future daughter in law as you were,

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Speaker 1: Randy Ray.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: So why don't you just any fun thoughts and tell

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Speaker 1: our listeners where they can learn more about you and

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Speaker 1: the amazing resources that you have for families.

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Speaker 3: My comment would be in reading the Deuteronomy six is

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Speaker 3: to remind people that this thing that we're doing is

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Speaker 3: not a program, but it is a way of life.

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Speaker 3: That's what Deuteronomy is saying. It's not a burden. It's

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Speaker 3: not a burden, it's not a to do list. It

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Speaker 3: is what you do as you do life. And again,

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Speaker 3: you know, we can talk about bedtime routines and rhythms

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Speaker 3: and patterns. Are we focused our time on the meal

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Speaker 3: time today? And that's just something that you're going to

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Speaker 3: do anyhow, do it well, do it right, and insert

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Speaker 3: all of the concepts of spirituality that come with it.

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Speaker 3: And I think my final comment would be, this is

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Speaker 3: a way of life and not a program. And I

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Speaker 3: just hope that something that we've said today might not

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Speaker 3: add burden to their life, but might add inspiration and

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Speaker 3: a greater sense of ease and comfort.

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Speaker 1: So where can they learn more about all of your

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Speaker 1: resources and your materials. And we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: your book in the next episode, Encountering God's Love from

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Speaker 1: Genesis to Revelation, So tell us where we can learn

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Speaker 1: more about that.

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Speaker 4: I think you can just go to Randyfrasey dot com

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Speaker 4: and it will all be right there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah. Randyfrasey dot com would be my web

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Speaker 3: page and it has all of the writings that we've

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Speaker 3: done and you can find out where we're at on

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Speaker 3: Twitter and Instagram and all of that. And then Rosanna

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Speaker 3: and I've done three of all my books I've done,

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Speaker 3: we've done three together. So one was a devotional on believe.

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Speaker 3: The second one is a book called Real Simplicity that

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Speaker 3: has a lot of our stuff on family life that

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Speaker 3: people are interested in our conversation today. The book Real

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Speaker 3: Simplicity subtitle Making Room for Life is one that you

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Speaker 3: want to pick up. And then now our new book,

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Speaker 3: which we'll talk about on the next episode, Encountering God's

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Speaker 3: Love from Genesis to Revelation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was completely I think, spirit inspired, but very

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Speaker 1: unexpected and extremely inspiring and nourishing to our souls today.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that we had this conversation. I love

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Speaker 1: these ideas, I know. I love the freedom that comes

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Speaker 1: with leaning into the Holy Spirit and saying, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is a crazy season of life right now. I know

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Speaker 1: my listeners have all kinds of crazy seasons in their

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Speaker 1: lives as well, and finding ways to make that the

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Speaker 1: priority and returning to the idea of the sacredness of

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Speaker 1: the meal. I think, or for many of us, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's the first time you really thought about I mean,

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Speaker 1: we thought about the sacredness obviously of communion, and there's

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Speaker 1: so many feasts and scripture, But why are there so

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Speaker 1: many feasts, Why are all of their celebrations centered around

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Speaker 1: a meal? Because something had to die so that we

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Speaker 1: might live. And I'm so glad that you unpacked that

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Speaker 1: for us. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're bet Mark Privilege.

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Speaker 1: I just love these unplaying conversations because sometimes they get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of what matters most. In fact, just

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Speaker 1: last night, we had our end of year program at

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Speaker 1: our homeschool co op, which of course fittingly included a

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Speaker 1: shared meal, and one by one, twelve seniors stood up

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Speaker 1: and reflected on their journey. My son was one of them.

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Speaker 1: He was my favorite, obviously, But some of these children,

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Speaker 1: these students had been a part of this very community

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Speaker 1: since they were four years old. They had really strong

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Speaker 1: bonds with all of the tutors and the other students.

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Speaker 1: It was powerful, but not just because of what they

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Speaker 1: had accomplished, but because of what they valued. Every single

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Speaker 1: one of them.

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Speaker 7: Without exception, said the same.

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Speaker 8: Thing, and it totally chokes me up. They said, the

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Speaker 8: greatest influence in their education and in their faith and

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Speaker 8: in their entire lives was their parents. Not perfect parents, not.

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Speaker 7: Flawless parents, but parents who were present, parents who were consistent,

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Speaker 7: parents who lived out their faith in everyday moments around

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Speaker 7: the table and conversations and car rides to and from

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Speaker 7: soccer practices at baseball games. It was in the ups

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Speaker 7: and downs of real life. And it echoes everything we.

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Speaker 2: Talked about today.

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Speaker 7: Those small moments they're you, guys, They're not small at all.

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Speaker 7: They're shaping moments, forming moments, Kingdom moments are parenting matters

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Speaker 7: more than we know. So be encouraged. You matter so

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Speaker 7: much to your children. Just ask the Lord one simple

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Speaker 7: thing you can do this week to be more engaged

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Speaker 7: with your kids, to be.

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Speaker 1: More authentic with them.

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Speaker 9: Maybe it's just that one meal starting that new practice,

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Speaker 9: or maybe it's up in your meal time together to

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Speaker 9: that five days a week, which is optimal either way.

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Speaker 9: Just ask the Lord and he will show you the

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Speaker 9: next right step for your.

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Speaker 7: Family as a parent.

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Speaker 1: And be sure to join us next week when Randy

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Speaker 1: and Rosanne are going to talk about their incredible new book,

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Speaker 1: Encountering God's Love from Genesis to Revelation.

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Speaker 7: This conversation so.

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Speaker 1: Blessed me, and I know that it will bless you

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Speaker 1: as well. And always remember God gave you your kids,

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Speaker 1: your specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold

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Speaker 1: the key to unlocking who God created them to be.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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