1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Today we are diving into a topic that affects millions 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: of people who feel stretched, too thin, and overwhelmed by life. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: We are talking about tools for managing chronic stress and 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: mental fatigue so you can regain clarity, rebuild your strength, 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: and restore your hope. Chronic stress is not simply an inconvenience. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: It quietly infiltrates every area of life and disrupts sleep, relationships, 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: thought patterns, mood, and even our sense of spiritual connection. 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: Our goal today is to equip you with proven strategies 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: that help you move from exhaustion to renewal so you 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: can thrive again when mental fatigue sets in and stress 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: feels unending. Many people assume that feeling overwhelmed is their 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: new normal, but God offers a better way. You can 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: experience renewed strength, restored clarity, and a calm mind even 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: in the middle of challenging seasons. If you long for 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 2: sustainable emotional wellness, Christ centered stress management tools and practical 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: ways to quiet your mind, this episode just for you. 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: We want to help you step out of survival mode 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: and experience the peace that God promises. 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: That's why today we are. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: Going to talk about tools for managing chronic stress and 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: mental fatigue. 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: We'll dive into that right. 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: After this brief word from our sponsor. Welcome to your 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: hope filled perspective with doctor Michelle Banks and where it's 26 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: always our goal to restore hope, renew minds, and empower 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: listeners to live in your God given identity. Thank you 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: so much for devoting a few minutes of your week 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: with us. Today we're going to be talking about tools 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: for managing chronic stress and mental fatigue. Whether stress comes 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: from ongoing caregiving responsibilities, work pressure, family demands, unresolved trauma, 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: or long term illness, or something else. You are not 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: alone and you don't have to live with emotional exhaustion 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: or mental overload. There are biblically based, neuropsychologically informed strategies 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: that can help you reset your body, renew your mind, 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: and restore your emotional balance. We want to help you 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: discover practical steps that support your mental health and deepen 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 2: your connection with God, who invites you to find rest 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: in Him. Today we are talking about empowering tools that 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: can help you overcome chronic stress and mental fatigue. Enjoining 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: me in this conversation is Jessica van Roekel, Welcome back 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: to the program, Jess. 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so glad to be here. 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: Scripture reminds us that God is a safe refuge during 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: seasons of chronic stress. So I want to start this 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: episode by remembering Nahem one verse seven. The Lord God 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: is good, a refuge in times of trouble, and he 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: cares for those who trust in him. Jess, this is 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: a topic nearly every listener can relate to at some 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: point because chronic stress has really become a common experience. 51 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: People feel mentally worren down, overwhelmed, and often unable to regroup. 52 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: So before we dive into practical tools and strategies, would 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: you share what you are noticing most in the people 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: you ministered to who are dealing with long term stress 55 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: and mental fatigue. 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: Oh? 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Michelle. One of the most common things I see 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: is that people feel like their minds never turn off, 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: their thoughts keep racing, their bodies feel tense, and their 60 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: emotional capacity feels limited. Many describe feelings spiritually disconnected or 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: too tired to pray or read scripture even though they 62 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: desperately want to. Chronic stress affects the whole person. It 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: impacts the body mind, emotions, and even our sense of 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: spiritual grounding. 65 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: Right there, that's a reason that we should be addressing 66 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: these tools because it does affect. 67 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Our whole being. 68 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: And how have you personally experienced the effects of chronic stress. 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: Well, I would probably have to say that relationally, I 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: get really crabby, I get really irritable. Spiritually, it's almost 71 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: like I get these sound proofing headphones on and I 72 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: can't hear God's voice. It's like that chronic stress just 73 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: gets louder and louder, and God's voice seems softer and 74 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: softer and softer, and as if this huge barrier is 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: between me and God. And the thing though with the 76 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: chronic stress too, is that there are seasons in my 77 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: life where I'm like, oh, maybe next week it will 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: be better, but next week never comes, and so then 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: I add this layer to it, as like is this 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: my life? Is this the rest of my life? And 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: I start feeling really hopeless. Now, Michelle, you're no stranger 82 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: to stress. How has it impacted you personally. 83 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: In so many ways? 84 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: In terms of my body, emotionally and spiritually. It impacts 85 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: all spears and I've noticed it most in terms of 86 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: decreased strength or stamina or energy. When I go go go, 87 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: we dip into what reserves we have, and the more 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 2: we do that, the more. 89 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: There are reserves to carry us through. 90 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: But even emotionally, I've experienced it in terms of decreased 91 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: empathy and compassion. 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big one. 93 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: When when I don't I'm normally a very compassionate and 94 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: encouraging and hope filled person. And when people share their 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: needs or they share their situation, and I recognize I 96 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: might have thoughts like you think that's bad, or I 97 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: don't even feel like I have the energy sometimes to 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: ask other people genuinely how they are, that's an indication 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: to me. I've been dealing with some stress and not dealing. 100 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: With it well. But like you, I also. 101 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Tend to experience increased irritability because when that stress first hits, 102 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: I typically go into the doing mode, Go go go, 103 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: doo dooo doo, and I don't often deal with it 104 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: in the moment, and then I get irritable with people 105 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: who don't deserve my irritability. Oh yeah, And physically, I'm 106 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: more likely to experience a decreased immune system and a 107 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: slower rebound from illness. And I've started to notice when 108 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: I allow stress to accumulate, even my skull feels so 109 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: tight and wound up like a stretched rubber band. It 110 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: just feels like it could snap. We ever experience anything similar. 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: Just yes, I would have to say that the irritability, 112 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 3: of course, but in the lack of compassion. I remember 113 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: in my early twenties, I took a spiritual gifts assessment 114 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: and I was super low in mercy. And God has 115 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: done a mighty work and He's really grown that gifting 116 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: in me. But when I am under chronic stress, it's 117 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: like mercy flies out the window, and I'm kind of like, Okay. 118 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: Then we start this comparison or one upmann shp, oh 119 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: you're under stressed. 120 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 4: Well look at this. 121 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: Oh well that's well, that's nothing, look at this. And 122 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 3: so then this becomes this competitive like who can be 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: the most stressed out? And I don't think that that 124 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: serves anybody well from a relational perspective, and certainly not 125 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: from a spiritual perspective. But as we talk, as we 126 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: reference these perspectives, what have you noticed from a clinical perspective? 127 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: So, as a neuropsychologist, I see how the stress response 128 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: system affects the brain. When people experience stress for long 129 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: periods of time, the brain becomes overactivated. And when that happens, 130 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: our ability to focus and pay attention and concentration decreases. 131 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: And with that, our memory becomes foggy and our emotional 132 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: regulation becomes harder to manage. We feel more reactive and 133 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: less resilient. But just there is good news, and that 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: is that the brain is both adaptable and changeable. So 135 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: with consistent tools, we can in fact retrain the brain 136 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: and restore mental clarity and decrease our stress levels. 137 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: This is so encouraging, and it is a critical to 138 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: remember that God did not design our bodies to live 139 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: in chronic stress. Scripture repeatedly invites us to rest and 140 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: to cast our cares on Him, but when we ignore 141 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: the signals of ongoing stress, we end up running on empty. 142 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: That is why practical tools and healthy rhythms matter so much. 143 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: Before we dive into understanding chronic stress and mental fatigue, 144 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: let's take a brief break for a word from our sponsor. 145 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: Welcome back to your hope filled perspective. Today we're talking 146 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: about tools for managing chronic stress and mental fatigue. Michelle, 147 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,359 Speaker 3: how would you define chronic stress and mental fatigue. 148 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: In simple time, chronic stress is basicly the type of 149 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: ongoing stress that does not resolve quickly. It's not like 150 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: when we get stuck in traffic and we feel stressed 151 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: because we're late for a meeting, but then traffic starts 152 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: to go again. It comes from those situations that continue 153 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: to require both emotional or physical energy but without any 154 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: recovery time. And simply, mental fatigue is what happens when 155 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: our brain becomes overloaded, feels a little bit like brain fog, 156 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: like we like we're trying to think through life through 157 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,479 Speaker 2: a foggy window. It can lead to concerning forgetfulness, difficulty 158 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: making decisions, irritability, and even mental heaviness. 159 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: And those symptoms describe what many people feel on a 160 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: daily basis. 161 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: And this is the tricky part. 162 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: So often we blame ourselves instead of recognizing that our 163 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: bodies are signaling for any for rest. Now, how do 164 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: you help people recognize when stress has moved from temporary 165 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: to chronic. 166 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: Oh, that's such an important distinction, But there are a 167 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: few indicators that include things like persistent exhaustion even after sleeping, 168 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: maybe feeling overwhelmed by generally simple tasks, that ongoing irritability. 169 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: That you and I talked about, like, yeah. 170 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't end. We end up snapping it everybody, from 171 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: our spouse to the grocery store clerk to the person 172 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: sitting in front of us at the traffic light. But 173 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: we can also notice it in terms of increased anxiety, 174 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: withdrawal from relationships people that were close to, and even 175 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: a sense of mental heaviness that doesn't go away. When 176 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: stress loses its off switch, that's when it becomes chronic. 177 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: And I experienced this many years ago when I was 178 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: running a very busy, thriving private practice. I was responsible 179 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: for the livelihood of my employees, which was stressful in 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: and of itself. My husband was diagnosed with cancer, my 181 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: mother was diagnosed with cancer. I was raising two young boys, 182 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: and I didn't even recognize the stress for what it 183 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: was because I never slowed down long enough to think 184 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: about it. I was just in doom mode. And then 185 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: my health plummeted. It was almost as if my body said, look, 186 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: if you were not going to take care of yourself, 187 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: we are going to force you to take a rest, 188 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: to take a break so that you can recover because 189 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: you've been in a state of chronic stress. 190 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: Wow, that sounds like your brain and your body just 191 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: said stop. If you're not going to stop, I'm going 192 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: to stop for you. That sounds that sounds like a 193 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: lot of chronic stress. I can remember one fall I 194 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: helped school my kids and I spent a lot of 195 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: time selecting curriculum, and six weeks in I was trying 196 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: to figure out why we were having such a slow 197 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: fall to really adjust to the new schedule, and I 198 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: didn't want to admit that the curriculum that I selected 199 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: from one of my kids was totally not a good fit. 200 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: And it just the stress just piled up, piled up, 201 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: and I finally had to throw out my hands. I 202 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: just felt like I was defeated and I go back 203 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: to square one. And it did impact that year for teaching. 204 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: It impacted my relationship with my kids. But now that 205 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: we understand how chronic stress and mental fatigue presents, let's 206 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: turn our attention to tools from managing it. 207 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where we get good and practical too. 208 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 209 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: Number one that I want to share with you is 210 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: what I call the reset pause. Basically, a reset pause 211 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: is a deliberate, intentional moment where you stop. You breathe slowly, 212 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: You let your shoulders drop, and you give your nervous 213 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: system time to recalibrate. Because deep breathing lowers corterisol it 214 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: slows our heart rate, and it signals to the brain 215 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: that it's safe to relax. I had to do this 216 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: before we hopped on to record this episode for you. 217 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: It's been a very busy few days and I was 218 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: feeling the effects of stress, and so as we hopped 219 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: on to record this, I was like, breathe, yeah, put 220 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: your shoulders down, yeah, just take a reset pause. 221 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the beauty of the reset pause is at simplicity. 222 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: As you were describing what to do, I found myself 223 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: doing it as well. And it's something that anyone can 224 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: do it anywhere, at any time. In the car, dealing 225 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,359 Speaker 3: with traffic and interaction with your kids that aren't. 226 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: Going very well. 227 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: Sometimes at our workplace, the day just blows up and 228 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: we're like, I need, I want to do over and 229 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: I can't. But by golly, I can do a reset pause. 230 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: And there's something incredibly grounding about giving ourselves permission to pause. 231 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: Even a few slow breaths can interrupt the cycle of 232 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: mental overload, and it is also an intentional moment to 233 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: invite God into the stress we are feeling. 234 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: And that is key, that word intentional. 235 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 2: Nobody's going to take that reset pause for you. You've 236 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: got to be intentional about doing any of these tips. Now, 237 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: a reset pause becomes even more powerful when you pair 238 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: it with truth, and that can be something as simple 239 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: as breathing in while praying for you or my strength 240 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: and holding it for a second and breathing out while praying, 241 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: so I release my burdens to you. 242 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: Now, that is so practical and it's something we can 243 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: do as often as we need. Now, another tool that 244 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: helps us is sensory grounding, which uses the five senses 245 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: to interrupt mental fatigue. When the brain feels overwhelmed, grounding 246 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: helps bring attention back to the present moment. This can 247 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: include noticing the feel of your feet on the floor, 248 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: focusing on a comforting scent, drinking a warm beverage, or 249 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: stepping outside for fresh air. Now, what does that do 250 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: to or for our brain? And what's a simple exercise 251 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: to engage in sensory grounding? 252 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: So the beauty of sensory grounding is that it shifts 253 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: the brain out of our rumination mode. Rumination is a 254 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: fancy word for the thoughts that we just keep thinking 255 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: over and over again, and. 256 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: That's the habit. It's a habit. 257 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: When we mentally go over the same thoughts repeatedly and 258 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: we don't interrupt them. So sensory grounding also activates regions 259 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: of the brain that are involved in calm focus. It's simple, 260 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: yet it scientifically supported for emotional regulation. So a simple 261 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: exercise that I teach my patients is the five four 262 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: three two one grounding exercise. When stress rises and mental 263 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: fatigue sets in, your thoughts can start spinning out of 264 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: control and your body can feel tense or disconnected. That 265 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: tension is like what I described when I said my 266 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: scalp felt like it was gonna saw well. The beauty 267 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: of this five four three two one grounding exercise is 268 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: that it helps gently bring your mind back into the 269 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: present moment because it engages your senses, so it interrupts 270 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: those racing thoughts. It steadies your breathing, and it anchors 271 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: your attention to what is real and what is safe 272 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: right here and now. So you begin by taking a slow, 273 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: deep breath in and letting it out gently, then move 274 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: through each step at a calm, steady pace. The first 275 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: step is that you notice five things you can see. 276 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: Look around you and gently identify five different objects or details. 277 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: It could be the pattern on a pillow, the light 278 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: coming through a window, the color of the wall, plant 279 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: in the corner, or even your own hands resting in 280 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: your lap, and you pause long enough to truly notice 281 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: each one. The next thing you do have to find 282 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: those things you can see is identify four things you 283 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: can hear, so you kind of tune into the layers 284 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: of around around you. And just as a worship leader, 285 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: I know that you can relate to this because as 286 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: a worship leader you're listening to multiple things at once. Well, 287 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: we do that too, but we have to be intentional. 288 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: So you might hear the hum of an appliance, the 289 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: rustle of your clothing, traffic. 290 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: In the distance. 291 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 2: You might hear a bird outside, or even the sound 292 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: of your own breathing, and just allow yourself to notice 293 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: each sound without any judgment, without any real thought about 294 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: what that means. 295 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Just notice. 296 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: Then, third, become aware of three things you can feel. 297 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: You bring your attention to your physical sensation. You might 298 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: feel the chair beneath you, or the texture of your clothing. 299 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: You might notice the temperature of the air or the 300 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: grounding of your feet on the floor. Just take a 301 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: moment and gently acknowledge how each sensation feels in your body. Then, 302 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: after that, identify two things you can smell. If you 303 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: cannot immediately detect a scent, you can choose something nearby 304 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: to smell, like a candle or a cup of coffee 305 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: or lotion, or simply notice the neutral smell of the room. 306 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: And then finally you become aware of one thing you 307 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: can taste. And this could be the lingering taste of 308 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: what you last ate or drank. And if nothing is noticeable, 309 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: you can take a sip of water or a mint, 310 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: or simply focus on the natural taste present in your mouth. 311 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: Now taste, take one more slow, deep breath, and let 312 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 2: it out. As your senses settle, your nervous system begins 313 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: to shift from tension mode to calm mode. This simple 314 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 2: exercise helps your mind reorient to the present moment and 315 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: a love that God gave us our senses. By paying 316 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: attention to your senses, it can help to reduce emotional 317 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: overwhelm and provide just a gentle pause for your heart 318 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: to connect with God's peace. 319 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: Friends. We are going to take a short break for 320 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: a word from our sponsor, but stick with us to 321 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: hear a few more tools to help you manage chronic 322 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: stress and mental fatigue. 323 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 324 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: Before the break, we were talking about two tools to 325 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: manage chronic stress and mental fatigue, including what I call 326 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: the rest, reset, pause, and sensory grounding. A third essential 327 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: tool is establishing rhythms of rest. Oh, my goodness, just 328 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 2: it's taken me years to really appreciate that rest is 329 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: not laziness. You and I constantly encourage each other to 330 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: take moments of rest. Yeah, because rest is a Biblical 331 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 2: command and it's. 332 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: A biological necessity. 333 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: Chronic stress thrives when we never stop moving or thinking 334 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: or constantly carrying emotional weight. 335 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: God modeled rest from the beginning. You did, Jesus stepped 336 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: away from the crowds to pray and recharge. When we 337 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: neglect rest, we neglect a spiritual practice that God himself 338 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: designed for our good. Healthy rhythms of rest might include 339 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: a quiet evening routine, setting limits on technology, building in 340 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: small moments of silence, or following a consistent sleep schedule. 341 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: And rest is most restorative when we fill our minds 342 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: with truth. Jess, you and I talk about the importance 343 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: of truth all the time. Reading a psalm before bed, 344 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: listening to worship music, or meditating on a verse about 345 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: God's peace can help calm both the mind and the spirit. 346 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Ah, so so good. 347 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: I'm a big psalms fan. 348 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: It's taught me so much. 349 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: The fourth tool that we want to share with you 350 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: is cognitive renewal. Now, cognitive renewal is also a powerful tool. 351 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: This means intentionally replacing negative or overwhelmed thoughts with truth 352 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 3: filled thoughts. When mental fatigue sets in, thought patterns often 353 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: lean toward discouragement or fear. Scripture calls us to renew 354 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 3: our minds with truth. 355 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: Oh, Jess, you are touching on something so critical. Our 356 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: thoughts fuel our stress response, and if our inner narrative 357 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 2: is heavy, our bodies will follow. So practicing truth based 358 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 2: thinking actually strengthens our resilience. It's simple. It's something like this, 359 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: replacing the thought I can't do that with the truth 360 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: from God's word that God will supply what I need 361 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: for this moment. By doing that, it brings emotional relief 362 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: and spiritual grounding based in the truth of God's. 363 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: Word, and we've said it before, how God's word truly 364 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: does transform us and how our brains will get rewired 365 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: when we do things like that. Which who doesn't need 366 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: that when we're mentally fatigued to get off at that 367 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: fatigue cycle. So I love that. I love that so much. 368 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: What a great example. Now, another tool we cannot overlook 369 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 3: is community. So our tool number five is community and support. 370 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: Chronic stress isolates. Yeah, mental fatigue convinces us that we 371 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: are alone. God designed us to live in connection. Talking 372 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: to a trusted friend, joining a support group, or reaching 373 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: out to a counselor can reduce the weight of stress. 374 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: That's so important to mention community because just when we 375 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: get stressed, we have a tendency. 376 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: To withdraw, or at least I do. 377 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: In fact, I've had to admit to friends at times 378 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: I didn't reach out because I was so stressed and 379 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: I didn't want to just bent on you. I didn't 380 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: want to just dump. But what's important to remember about 381 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: that is that the enemy would love us to stay 382 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: in isolation, in a place where others can't speak truth 383 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 2: back to us and help us stay ground it in 384 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: a truth biblically based hopefield perspective if you will. But 385 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 2: community brings encouragement, accountability, and emotional support, and it really 386 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: helps us gain perspective. Sometimes simply saying something out loud 387 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 2: can bring a modicum of relief. As we wrap up 388 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 2: this episode today, we want to remind you that chronic 389 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: stress and mental fatigue are not signs of weakness. They're 390 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: actually signs that your body and mind need care. With 391 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: intentional tools, in God's help, your mind can heal, your 392 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: body can recover, and your spirit can strengthen. Jesse. If 393 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: a listener or viewer is resonating with our conversation today, 394 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: what hopefield perspective would you leave them with? 395 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 3: I would want to leave them with a scripture Psalm 396 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: sixty two, verse eight, which says, to pour out your 397 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: heart to him. The enemy truly does want to isolate you, 398 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: because if he can isolate you, he can come in 399 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: for the kill. 400 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 401 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 3: God has come to bring us life, and his word 402 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: has everything we need for life. But we have to 403 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: be willing to go to him, to pour it all 404 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: out at his feet and come to him in our 405 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: weakness so that he can then strengthen us. 406 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: I would add to that that You're not alone. When 407 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: we get stressed, it's easy to feel like we're alone. 408 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: But God offers peace and wisdom and rest. Healing happens 409 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: one small faithful step at a time. Jess and I 410 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 2: are not saying you need to do all five of 411 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: these tips at once. Just start, maybe with the reset pause. 412 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: See how that goes. Just take one small faithful step 413 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: towards your emotional, physical, and spiritual wellness. Friends, thank you 414 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: for joining us today. We pray that these tools help 415 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: you release emotional pressure, quiet your mind, and reconnect with 416 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 2: the God who loves you and restores you. And if 417 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: there was something in today's episode that resonated with you, 418 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: or if you know someone who struggles under the burden 419 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: of chronic stress or mental fatigue, please consider sharing this 420 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: episode with them so they'll have a biblically based hope 421 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: filled perspective. Jess, thank you for joining me on this episode. 422 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to our next time together. And in 423 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: the meantime, Friends, you know, it's not a prayer for 424 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: you that you have a hope filled week. 425 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 4: Depression is now our greatest epidemic worldwide, greater than heart disease, 426 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 4: cancer and aids all put together. If you have looked 427 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 4: for help with depression, you have found that there's a 428 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: scarcity of biblically based resources that identifies the spiritual component 429 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: that will actually help with the depression and also will 430 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 4: help the loved ones who are trying to support the 431 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 4: ones who are depressed. 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