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Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton,

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Speaker 2: friendly podcasts for a new generation. I Built Different. Our

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Speaker 2: mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to help

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Speaker 2: push you past your limits and reach goals you never

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Speaker 2: thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So, then, just

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Speaker 2: as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your

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Speaker 2: lives in Him, rooted and built up in Him. Amen.

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Speaker 2: Now let's roll hello everybody, and welcome back into the

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Speaker 2: Built Different podcast. Obviously continuing to navigate the month of January,

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Speaker 2: the start of a new year, in a new podcast

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Speaker 2: studio and set. So I hope our audience will be

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Speaker 2: familiar with this place. Says a lot of our conversations

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Speaker 2: moving forward are going to stem from this very place

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Speaker 2: right here in our aa SEC studios, right here in Lynchburg, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: But what I want to share.

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Speaker 2: About today is we have a very special guest in

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Speaker 2: the house who drove a couple of hours north to

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Speaker 2: meet us right here in Virginia, from the incredible state

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Speaker 2: of North Carolina. That's right. He's a man who has

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Speaker 2: quite the story, quite the testimony that I know is

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Speaker 2: going to move you in this new year. Something we

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Speaker 2: talk a lot about at Build Different is what it

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Speaker 2: looks like to live the resilient life, to positively adapt

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Speaker 2: in the presence of adversity. And Daniel Ritchie is a

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Speaker 2: man who has that very story, a man born without arms,

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Speaker 2: but a man that really the world could have easily

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Speaker 2: identified by limitations, but no, by the grace of God,

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Speaker 2: this is somebody that is doing incredible things. The first

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Speaker 2: ever vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention, a long

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Speaker 2: time evangelist, and someone that, by the grace of God,

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Speaker 2: continues to not just overcome adversity and odds, but someone

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Speaker 2: that helps us rid our lives and surrender and identity

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Speaker 2: and purpose resilience at the end of the day isn't

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Speaker 2: just about the ability to overcome hardship. It's really about

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Speaker 2: being able to lean in and trust that God is good,

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Speaker 2: that he is purposeful, and that he has good intentions

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Speaker 2: through his heart in the face of whatever challenge you

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Speaker 2: might face. So today I promise you're in for a treat.

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Speaker 2: Dane Richie, my friend, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Zach, thanks for having me man man.

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Speaker 2: So to begin, just a little fun banter back and forth.

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Speaker 2: I read your book. It's an incredible read. I'm just

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Speaker 2: an amazing testimony that really was I think impactful for

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Speaker 2: my own life, for my own faith. But one thing

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Speaker 2: I noted upfront was that you're a Carolina Panther fan.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, yes, yes, but I mean, hey, you know, we

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Speaker 1: Like I was. I was a happy man, a happy man.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what, I'm a Brice Young fan. I'm

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Speaker 2: love what Luke Keithley and Greg Olsen and Jonathan Stewart

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think there's no nowhere to

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Speaker 2: Then as we begin, Man, God is clearly doing something

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Speaker 2: special and in through your life and and in through

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Speaker 1: But for me, man just to just to represent Southern

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Speaker 1: You know, I came to Christ in an SBC church

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Speaker 2: I'll say, the SBC has meant a lot to my family,

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful to know that there's someone like you really

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Speaker 2: because again, God's doing something special. What I want to

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Speaker 2: do today, Daniel, is like click rewind and I want

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Speaker 2: that there were odds stacked up against you. Yeah, if

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Speaker 2: you would just take us back into those moments, how

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, man, I guess you had to go

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Speaker 1: that's how that's how they raised me, that's how they

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Speaker 2: You know the resilience then that I think has lasted

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Speaker 2: the way in which they even raised you. I know,

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Speaker 2: when we chatted on the phone, before I even started

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Speaker 2: it's like resilience is marked throughout your life. When I

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Speaker 2: that God hardwired us for that very thing. Speak though,

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Speaker 2: to even the way that you were raised, not allowing

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Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess there's two sides of that coin.

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Speaker 2: right after this. You're listening to Life Audio. Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: my brokenness, and that you know Romans five, that God

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Speaker 1: shows his love for us and this and that while

436
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Speaker 1: we were still sinners, Jesus dies for us, and that

437
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Speaker 1: like I'll never forget like that, that reality of just

438
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Speaker 1: God's love being shown in him meeting the greatest need

439
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Speaker 1: in my life, completely, fully, victoriously. That's what changed my life. Man,

440
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Speaker 1: is to men to park not only my eternity, but

441
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Speaker 1: to park my life right now, like every living day

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Speaker 1: on that reality that Jesus loves me, that Jesus is

443
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Speaker 1: calling me to be more than a victim of my circumstances,

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Speaker 1: and that that revolutionized my life.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I went from insecure to joyful, went from weak too strong,

447
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Speaker 1: went from just what's the point of life? To man,

448
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Speaker 1: now I got a whole lot of point. It's to

449
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Speaker 1: tell people about this Jesus. And then ten months later,

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Speaker 1: ten months after that, lock in this little this guy

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Speaker 1: named Clayton King. Who I mean at the time, Clayton

452
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Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, lead pastor of New Spring Church. Clayton.

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Speaker 1: He was just He's this weird little redneck that like

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Speaker 1: wrestling a lot, you know, Like that's yeah, true. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's still is a redneck, you know. But

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Speaker 1: but I just remember him just talking about the fact

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Speaker 1: that it's like, if the Gospel has changed your life

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Speaker 1: and you're quiet about it, you've missed the point. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, uh, because for me, I'm an introvert.

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Speaker 1: I don't like people. I've been judged by people my

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Speaker 1: whole life. And now realizing that there was this very

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Speaker 1: clear call for me to go and take this life

463
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Speaker 1: changing gospel to people that I have distanced my entire

464
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Speaker 1: life for up and to this point was the scariest

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Speaker 1: thing I think I could ever possibly imagine. Wow. And

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Speaker 1: yet it's a sixteen year old because of you know,

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Speaker 1: just how God used Clayton Man. I stepped into that

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Speaker 1: and none of it was easy, because I mean it's

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Speaker 1: wild to think that. I mean, for me, now, this

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Speaker 1: is your twenty sixth of ministry for me, and God

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Speaker 1: knew it is doing. I sure didn't. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: natural communicator, I'm not a natural people person. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a natural nothing. But I think it is the picture

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Speaker 1: of God saying watch what I can do. When a

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Speaker 1: little arnmless redneck like this guy just just trusts me

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Speaker 1: with what I've given him. And that's all I've seen

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Speaker 1: in the past twenty six years of ministry is God

478
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Speaker 1: just taking a life that's dependent on His power and

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Speaker 1: on his grace. And how at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: that is all that people need. They don't need me,

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Speaker 1: They just need the evidence of and the pointing to

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Speaker 1: His power, his grace and his gospel.

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Speaker 2: Amen. Daniel. You have a quote in your book and

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Speaker 2: you said this, when I embrace the reality of God's

485
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Speaker 2: glory being seen in my armlessness, my outlook shifted from

486
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Speaker 2: burdensome to full of blessings. Talked about how you started

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Speaker 2: viewing people not as critics but His opportunities to bless

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Speaker 2: those individuals moving forward. And I think the problem that

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have, probably a lot of our listeners,

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Speaker 2: sometimes ourselves and our own you know, just vain insanity.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say that, is we struggle with the correct

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Speaker 2: theology of suffering. When we're struggling, when we feel like

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Speaker 2: we're limited, when we feel like we're being overlooked or dismissed.

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Speaker 2: I think our natural inclination is to ask God, Why

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Speaker 2: the same white questions that you've asked, the same white

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Speaker 2: questions that I've asked, the same white questions someone in

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Speaker 2: our audience has asked. I'm sure of that, but it's

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Speaker 2: the recognition of and I want to ask the question

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Speaker 2: where is God? Especially like when we're in the midst

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Speaker 2: of our suffering, especially when you were a kid who

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Speaker 2: was struggling, when people were giving you those looks in

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Speaker 2: those labels somebody that maybe you felt like God was distant,

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Speaker 2: maybe you felt like He was far. But feelings can

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Speaker 2: be fiction. Help our audience understand that very fact and

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Speaker 2: reality of where is God in the midst of our suffering?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the I think one of

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Speaker 1: the aspects of some twenty three that we overlook is

508
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Speaker 1: the nearness of God in both our provision and our reflection.

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Speaker 1: Like you see some twenty three. The shepherd, he is

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Speaker 1: the one leading us to green pastures and still waters

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Speaker 1: for us as his sheep. He is our provider. He

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Speaker 1: gives us what we need to survive. But then that

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Speaker 1: that same shepherd is the shepherd who actively leads us

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Speaker 1: through the valley of the Shadow of Death. There is

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Speaker 1: no increased distance, There is not the shepherd baling on

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Speaker 1: his sheep. There's the shepherd present in both. The circumstances

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Speaker 1: are different. One is sunshine and still waters and just

518
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Speaker 1: you know, an amazing grace, and the other is just

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Speaker 1: weightiness and darkness and hurt and God. I can't see

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Speaker 1: you right now because it's dark. But I think that's

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Speaker 1: why the promise of some twenty three is there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's dark, Yeah you can't see me, but I'm right here,

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Speaker 1: and I just need you to keep following me, even

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Speaker 1: if it's for the next ten minutes, even if it's

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Speaker 1: for the next hour, even if it's for the next day,

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Speaker 1: the next week. I think like for us, for us

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Speaker 1: as believers, we feel that distance, but it's just simply

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Speaker 1: not there. That's why the promise of Some twenty three,

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Speaker 1: the promise of Romans eight. There is nothing that will

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Speaker 1: separate you from the love of God in Christ Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Now where you go, not what you do, not what

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Speaker 1: happens to you, nothing will separate you from His love,

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Speaker 1: from his presence, from his strength, from his guidance. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes the most faithful thing we can do is just

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Speaker 1: to trust Him for the next few minutes and to

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Speaker 1: watch how you see it, from Joseph to Abraham, to

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Speaker 1: the Disciples to Paul, how in less than ideal circumstances,

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Speaker 1: when his people trust him, it might not always fall

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Speaker 1: within our time frame or how we would have seen

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Speaker 1: our life going. But those circumstances are the ones that

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Speaker 1: shape us into better men, into better women. But it's

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Speaker 1: also those circumstances that give us the platform to speak

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Speaker 1: of a God who stepped into our mess and changed

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Speaker 1: everything about it.

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Speaker 2: Amen, Because that's the idea that pain can become some

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Speaker 2: people's prison, holding them in bondage for far too long,

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Speaker 2: or become some people's passport, taking them places they could

548
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Speaker 2: have never gone without it. And all throughout that book,

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Speaker 2: all throughout your story and your testimony, I hear the

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Speaker 2: theme that pain is a gift. Right, Yeah, pain truly

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Speaker 2: is a gift because oftentimes I remember my dad Daniel

552
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Speaker 2: growing up. He would always share with me that it's

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Speaker 2: our moments of powerlessness that draw us closer to and

554
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Speaker 2: reveal the character of God's heart the most right that

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Speaker 2: in the midst of hardship, in the midst of pain,

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Speaker 2: that's where we find meaning, That's where we find purpose.

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Speaker 2: Nobody finds out what they're made of on the beach

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Speaker 2: sip in Virgin Dackerie in Hawaii. That's not what they do, right.

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Speaker 2: They find out what they're made of in the midst

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Speaker 2: of the fiery furnace and the lions. Then when they

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Speaker 2: can really find what trust and dependence and reliance on

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Speaker 2: God really means, because it doesn't come from prosperity, it

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Speaker 2: comes through pain. Speak to just the lesson that you've

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Speaker 2: learned and helping our audience recognize that pain truly is

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Speaker 2: the greatest gift we could ever receive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean again that is you know, it's

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Speaker 1: I think that's a reality that we do for all

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Speaker 1: of us. We have to wrestle with. It isn't just

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Speaker 1: a sort of an academic assent like Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Pain's great, Like no, I think we hear it all

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean, you know, for me, one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest encouragements and challenges within that is just

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Speaker 1: studying through First Peter Peter writes to the persecuted church

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Speaker 1: and the church that literally they've lost everything because of

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Speaker 1: the Gospel and because of the Lord that they follow.

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Speaker 1: And Peter starts it off at the very beginning for

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Speaker 1: Peter One. He says, in this you greatly rejoice and

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Speaker 1: just talking about their circumstances and their trials. That know,

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Speaker 1: now for a little while you have to be grieved

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Speaker 1: by various kinds of trials. It's so that the proof

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Speaker 1: of your faith, which is more precious than gold, even

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Speaker 1: though it's refined by fire, may be found a result

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Speaker 1: in praise and glory and honor the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: You don't grow in Christ when you're awesome. You grow

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Speaker 1: in Christ when you realize He is. And we don't

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Speaker 1: get to that place when it's easy. We don't get

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Speaker 1: to that place when it's just sunshine and rainbows and comfort.

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Speaker 1: We get to that place when we realize just how

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Speaker 1: frail we are and how we do have to lean

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Speaker 1: all the more into an all powerful God who sustains

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Speaker 1: the entire universe with his right hand. And when we

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Speaker 1: get to that place when our afflictions pair away the

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Speaker 1: veneer of I've got this, when that gets ripped to

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Speaker 1: shreds and we're looking around, when we realize the only

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Speaker 1: person who can pull me out of this is God himself,

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Speaker 1: that's when our faith just man those roots go incredibly deep.

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Speaker 1: That's when our faith just blossoms. Is when we get

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Speaker 1: to this place, when we realize God, I know you

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Speaker 1: have me, I know you are my only hope in

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Speaker 1: this and I'm gonna push all of my chips, all

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Speaker 1: that I am, all that I do on you and

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Speaker 1: what You've called me to. That's when our faith really

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Speaker 1: begins to just get into the place where it brings

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Speaker 1: glory to God and not glory to us. C. S.

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Speaker 2: Lewis. God whispers to us and our pleasures, but shouts

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Speaker 2: to us and our pain. It's that idea of man

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Speaker 2: pain might very well again be the greatest gift that

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Speaker 2: we could receive, because that's when God meets us in

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Speaker 2: those moments. Especially. I remember going through a really hard

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Speaker 2: season in my life years ago, and there's a quote

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Speaker 2: that I kind of lived by, and it was, we

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Speaker 2: don't have to ask God to meet us in our suffering,

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Speaker 2: because He already lives there.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I was just I needed to ask God to

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Speaker 2: renew my mind, to open my eyes, to reveal right

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Speaker 2: to myself the goodness and grace of Him even in

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Speaker 2: the midst of my trial. Because He is all constant,

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Speaker 2: He never changes, right, He is the same yesterday, today,

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Speaker 2: and forever more. And that's the beautiful thing about God

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Speaker 2: and the beautiful thing about pain. I even think of

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Speaker 2: James Chapter one, that we can consider it pure joy.

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Speaker 2: I used to hate that passage of scripture because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: why would I consider it joy when I'm going through trials,

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Speaker 2: when I'm going through trespasses and hard times? Like would why? Then?

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Speaker 2: But it's because of what it goes on to say,

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Speaker 2: what it can produce within us, right, perseverance, endurance. Obviously

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Speaker 2: you talk a lot about endurance. You have that devotional

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Speaker 2: on your second book, really that you're able to write.

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Speaker 2: And as I was even just reading through those pages,

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Speaker 2: just thinking about to the person out there today, Daniel,

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Speaker 2: who's struggling through whatever circumstance that they might have in life.

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Speaker 2: They feel left out, they feel broken and beaten and

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Speaker 2: battered and bruised by life. What's just a word of

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Speaker 2: encouragement to that person to continue to endure? And one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite definitions for the word endure is to

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Speaker 2: suffer through patiently, never forget. When I heard them, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: that is a beautiful depiction of endurance and perseverance. To

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Speaker 2: suffer through, not in to suffer through something patiently. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: speak to just the word of endurance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know the promise of Romans five.

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Speaker 1: You know, Paul's trying to encourage the Roman Church, and

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Speaker 1: he gives he gives two basically two reasons why you

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Speaker 1: and I can rejoice no matter where we're at. He says,

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Speaker 1: we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God,

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Speaker 1: and we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance.

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Speaker 1: Endurance produces character, and character produces Hope's so twofold for

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Speaker 1: the believer, we can rejoice that y'all, the best is

650
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Speaker 1: yet to come. Like our best life will not be

651
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: in this physical life. Our best life is when we

652
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: pass from this life to the next and we get

653
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Speaker 1: Jesus face to face, Paul says in Philippians One. To me,

654
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: to live as Christ and to die is gain because

655
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Speaker 1: I get Him, and so first and foremost believer, it

656
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Speaker 1: is to look to that knowing that Jesus is waiting

657
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: for you no matter, no matter if you're like me

658
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Speaker 1: and you just have a life sentence of affliction. Well

659
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: know know what, one day, whether I get heavenly arms

660
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: or not, you know, as I step into eternity, I

661
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: get Jesus as my reward. I'm excited about that. But

662
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: then two that second promise of I can rejoice in

663
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Speaker 1: my suffering because I know that God is producing endurance, character,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately hope in this life. Because again, like when

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Speaker 1: He is present in the midst of my heart, in

666
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Speaker 1: the midst of my affliction, when He is creating endurance,

667
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Speaker 1: when he is ironing out my character, what He's ultimately

668
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: doing is laying out for me. My hope aint in

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Speaker 1: this My hope aint in me. My hope is in Him.

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Speaker 1: My hope is in his grace. My hope is in

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Speaker 1: his purpose. My hope is in His gospel. That is

672
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Speaker 1: an eternal work that I get to be a part

673
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: of that will not fail. And when I have staked

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Speaker 1: my life on that eternal, unflinching, unfailing hope in reality,

675
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and to know that I get to play a tiny

676
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: little part in that, man, I can deal with I

677
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: can deal with some hardship. I can deal with him

678
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: suffering because I know my God has already given me

679
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: so much better, and I know there's so much more

680
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: that waits just for those who trust in Him. And

681
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Speaker 1: rest in him.

682
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of our God right, his goodness and

683
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: his grace that he continually reveals on the mountaintops, but

684
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Speaker 2: especially in the valleys. Something I want to touch on

685
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: with you, Daniels. You know, growing up a kid who

686
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: maybe had doubts or questions about what life might look like.

687
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: Now being happily married, the father of two incredible kids.

688
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: I know this that God is with us in the

689
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: midst of our pain, but he also gives us friends

690
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: for the fire right, and he surrounds us with individuals

691
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: who are a part of our story that helped push

692
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Speaker 2: us and propel us. He talked about your parents and

693
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: how meaningful they've been in your life and how instrumental

694
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Speaker 2: they were in catalysts in terms of resilience and more.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking about your wife, Heather. Yeah, and

696
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about your kids, Teague and Elliott and just

697
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Speaker 2: what they have meant to you, and especially your wife,

698
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: just your bride. How has she come alongside of you

699
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: in this journey, crazy journey, Yeah, we call it.

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Speaker 1: For sure, for sure. Yeah, I mean, especially especially in

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00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: looking at you know, just just our marriage for twenty

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Speaker 1: years and looking at just the gift that Heather he

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Speaker 1: is because you know, I there is a long time

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Speaker 1: like through teens, you know, going through college. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if there's any girls that

706
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Speaker 1: are going to be like, yeah, let me sign up

707
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: for this life. Yeah, let me let me, let me

708
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: marry a guy like that get stared at every time

709
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: we go out to eat, and you know, just all

710
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: the things that come with me being me. And she

711
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: just like man, signed up for it, jumped into it

712
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: with both feet, and then like we have. I mean, gosh,

713
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Speaker 1: when we were engaged, we were twenty one and nineteen.

714
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: We were we were kids, and now we are not

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Speaker 1: twenty one and nineteen, and it feels like we've almost

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00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: been made to two or three different people, just as

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00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: like we've grown up together and matured together, and especially

718
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: in this like in this sort of aspect of life

719
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Speaker 1: that I'm in right now, I'm just you know, I'm

720
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: gone so much. I'm I'm on the road about half

721
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: the year. I'm you know, I'm I'm away from our

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Speaker 1: our home church, Summit Church in Raleigh. I'm away from

723
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: our church a lot. She's kind of like, she she's

724
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: she's my harbor. You know, she's I get to come

725
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: in and you know, cane shelter from the storms, and

726
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: just like feel known, feel seen. I'm not the I'm

727
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: not Oh, it's it's Daniel Richie the vice president of

728
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: the SBC. Or is Daniel Richie the speaker. It's just

729
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: that's Daniel. You're gonna go take out the trash now

730
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: like you gonna you're gonna go wash dishes. You know,

731
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Speaker 1: it's like she she sees me as a human. You know,

732
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: she sees me as just Daniel. And I think that

733
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: that's so incredibly important for so many us in ministries,

734
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: for us and to realize, like we're just a person.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like we might for some of us,

736
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: we might play larger roles or more prominent roles, but

737
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're still just a person,

738
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Speaker 1: just a husband, just a dad. And to realize that, honestly,

739
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, those are those are

740
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Speaker 1: the most defining parts of who I am and not

741
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: what I do from a stage or from a pulpit.

742
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Speaker 1: Like you know, when I'm when I get to the

743
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Speaker 1: end of my life and it's like, you know, the

744
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: my funeral comes one day. I think the most important

745
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: words that I'm going to care about are the words

746
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Speaker 1: of my wife and my kids as they you know,

747
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Speaker 1: as they give a eulogy. I don't care what other

748
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: well I say. I don't care, But I'm not going

749
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: to value as much the men that I've served alongside

750
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: in ministry as much as what are my kids going

751
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: to say about me? Was my wife going to say

752
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: about me? At the end of the day. That needs

753
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: to be the most important relationships in my life, and

754
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: that needs to be the biggest relational motivating factor in

755
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: my life. Is how am I leading them? How am

756
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: I pursuing them? What are they going to think of

757
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Speaker 1: me when it's all said and done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that home team is your greatest source of ministry.

759
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: I think a lot of ministry leaders get it wrong

760
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: when we neglect our Jerusalem to go and reach the

761
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: Judeas and the Samarias and the uttermost parts of the earth,

762
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: because we try to make it all about us rather

763
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: than what God is entrusted to us. Really living a

764
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: life of stewardship, I mean it's encouraging as a husband

765
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: and hopefully as as soon as be father, just to

766
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: hear somebody that really prioritizes and keeps the main thing,

767
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Speaker 2: the main thing. Thank you for that, my friend. You know,

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Speaker 2: as we kind of near the conversation, I know that

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Speaker 2: this is something that you said you often get asked,

770
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of like the one big question which

771
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: people will say, you know, Daniel, if you could go

772
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: back and I could give you two arms from the

773
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: get go, would you do that or would you go

774
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: back in time? Would you ask the Lord to do

775
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: that for you? Or would you say that you know,

776
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: because of what God has and is continuing to do

777
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: in your life, that you are completely content with the

778
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: life that you've been given. Mm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know again, I could dude, probably

780
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: get that question once a week at least, and you know,

781
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: I will say, like I am not one hundred percent, like, yeah,

782
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: being armless is awesome. Like I do think of, man,

783
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: what wouldn't my football career have been, you know, if

784
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: I had had like ten fingers and two arms. But

785
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: I do realize it's like the path that I've that

786
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: I've had to walk because of my disability. It is

787
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 1: that refinement that Peter talks about, that James talks about.

788
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: It is like me realizing like God, I'm I'm thankful.

789
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to rejoice in that aspect of my story

790
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: that you have written because it has shown me so

791
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: much of God's strength. Like I see the strength and

792
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: the power and the joy that comes from God in

793
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: his scripture. But it's like that has also been like

794
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: etched in my heart just from my circumstances, the biblical

795
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: truth meeting the life that I have walked, and it's

796
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: like I know that I know that, I know that

797
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: when I am weak, he is incredibly powerful. I know

798
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: that I know that I know that, as Paul says

799
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: in Philippians four to eleven, I can be content whatever

800
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: situation that I find myself in. Why because I've had

801
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: nothing and I've had everything, and Jesus has led me

802
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: through it all, and He's the secret of me being content.

803
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that happens if I lead a life

804
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: like everybody else. I don't think those lessons are etched

805
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: away on my heart like they are right now if

806
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm not walking the path that I've walked. So I

807
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to wish away the

808
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: lessons that God has written on my heart and in

809
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: my life. Because of this and then it's like I

810
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: also fully realized just the the platform that God has

811
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: given me, Like I'm a I'm a mad preacher, you know,

812
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty mediocre. But it's like, oh, I'm a

813
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: media I'm a mediocre armless preacher, you know. In that

814
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: like that's like the that's the aspect of just the

815
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: two empty sleeves that carry with me into a pulpit

816
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: speak just as much as as whatever else I could,

817
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, conjure up in my own brain, Like God,

818
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: God uses my disability is just one hundred percent of

819
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: sermon illustration to display his glory and his grace in

820
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: the midst of my weakness and in the midst of

821
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: my affliction. Man, he uses this for his power, for

822
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: his purpose. He uses this affliction as a platform. And

823
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm not gonna wish that away. I'm gonna

824
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: lean into that.

825
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: Amen. I have two more questions, and I want to

826
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: ask you man. I was just thinking as you were

827
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: giving that answer about a friend of mine who had

828
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: probably like one of the worst days that you can imagine,

829
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: when his wife was giving birth to twin boys. Were

830
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: their third and fourth children, third and fourth sons actually

831
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: all under the age of three and a half. That's crazy.

832
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: But where the story takes a horrific turn was after

833
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: she gave birth, there was a health complication. I don't

834
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: know all the medical terminology and were back, but the

835
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: Lord ended up calling his wife home. And so he's

836
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: sitting in this hospital waiting room. The doctor comes out

837
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: and gives him this heartbreaking, earth shattering news, and he

838
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: just naturally begins to think, like what now as he's grieving,

839
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: as he's mourning this loss, and instantly he mentioned to

840
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: me that his mind got taken back years ago to

841
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: when he was in high school football and our high

842
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: school football coach would always say this term find a way,

843
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: just find a way. And I remember, we're seeing a

844
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: picture of you, Daniel. I think you were preaching at

845
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Preston with Baptist Church YEP in Plano, Texas for doctor

846
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: Jack Graham, and there was a picture that they posted

847
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: of you up on stage and you're standing on one

848
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: foot and you were turning the pages of your Bible

849
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: with your other foot. Yeah, And I'll be honest with you, man,

850
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: it kind of like broke me down because that was

851
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: a season in my life when I felt like I

852
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: wasn't reading the Bible, maybe like I felt like I should, right,

853
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: And there was every excuse in the world as to

854
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: there's always something better to do. But when I saw

855
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: you doing that, I got tears in my eyes because

856
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm just naturally thinking about man. There's so many people

857
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: out there, man, who will try to find some excuse,

858
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: some way around, some reason to believe that they're limited

859
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form. But to have the

860
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: courage and to have the resilience to say, man, I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to find a way. What I would love

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Speaker 2: for you to do is really I guess it's just

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Speaker 2: one final question. Because I read the last chapter of

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Speaker 2: your book, which is your for people upon the reading

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Speaker 2: of its page is my affliction for His glory. I guess,

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Speaker 2: what is your prayer for the person that feels like

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Speaker 2: they're finding every excuse that maybe isn't walking in the

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Speaker 2: calling that God has placed on their life, that feels limited,

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Speaker 2: that feels again just broken. What's a final word of

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Speaker 2: encouragement in prayer that you might have for that person today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think my encouragement for first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: I mean almost in you know, the picture of like

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Speaker 1: you're talking about with your friend. It's okay to grieve

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Speaker 1: what you've lost. It's it's okay to I think just

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Speaker 1: you know, the term the Bible gives its just lament.

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Speaker 1: You know. You look through the psalms and it's like,

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Speaker 1: I think about thirty percent of them are laments. It's

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Speaker 1: just like, God, this is hard. God, this is a lot. God,

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Speaker 1: I've lost so much. I think like in the church,

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Speaker 1: especially in America in twenty twenty six, we don't do

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Speaker 1: that a lot. We just try to, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: kind of like grit and grind our way through it.

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Speaker 1: I think the first thing you can do, it's like,

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Speaker 1: it's okay for you to grieve the hard stuff, to

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Speaker 1: grieve what you've lost, to just lay that at God's

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Speaker 1: feet and be like, God, this is a lot. I've

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Speaker 1: done that in my disability multiple multiple, multiple times. But

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Speaker 1: I think then just as much as I'm grieving and lamenting,

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Speaker 1: it is also that that laying down of all right, God,

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Speaker 1: I realize this is a lot. I'm broken, I'm frail. God.

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Speaker 1: I need you to pick me up. I need you

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Speaker 1: to just help me to take this next step, to

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Speaker 1: serve this next day, to love my family, well this week,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it is to be willing to

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Speaker 1: rest on a good and kind and loving and powerful God,

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Speaker 1: and that as you do that, Paul gives this promise

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Speaker 1: in two Corinthians one, that it comforts us in our hurt,

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Speaker 1: so we can grant that same comfort to others, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what affliction that they're going through. And to realize

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Speaker 1: that in you trusting God with your hurt, there is

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Speaker 1: a comfort and a healing that He applies to our

902
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Speaker 1: life for our good. But then it's also meant to

903
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Speaker 1: be our comfort that we get to share with the world.

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Speaker 1: It gets to be our pain, gets to be our platform.

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Speaker 1: And so don't think that the hurt that you've gone

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Speaker 1: through in your life is just meaningless. It's not going

907
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Speaker 1: to do anything for anybody, you know what. It shows

908
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Speaker 1: you personally more of His grace and power, But it

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Speaker 1: also gives you the opportunity to speak to His grace

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Speaker 1: and to speak to His power. Your heart gets to

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Speaker 1: be your amazing grace that you get to speak of.

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Speaker 1: And so don't don't be bashful about talking about the

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Speaker 1: times that God God picks you up and dust you

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Speaker 1: off and pushes you back on the path that you

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Speaker 1: are going. You get to speak that hope to others

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Speaker 1: that need that encouragement of being picked back up by

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Speaker 1: God and being sent on the path of the life

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Speaker 1: that He has given them.

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Speaker 2: Don't be bashful about your weaknesses. He's powerful, my friend,

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Speaker 2: and I love that you brought up Two Corinthians one,

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Speaker 2: verses three and four. That's our theme verse here at

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Speaker 2: aacc just being able to recognize that we serve the

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Speaker 2: God of all mercy, the God of all comfort, who

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Speaker 2: comforts us in our times of trouble, so that we

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Speaker 2: might then comfort others with the same comfort we ourselves

926
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Speaker 2: have already received from God. Sometimes the pain that we're

927
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Speaker 2: going through isn't God allowing bad things to happen to us.

928
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's God doing something in us and through us

929
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Speaker 2: that might actually impact people beyond us. And so being

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Speaker 2: able to do that, my friend, and that's what you

931
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Speaker 2: continually do. So I just wanted to say, man, thank

932
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Speaker 2: you for the man that you are, the leader that

933
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Speaker 2: you are, for being so willing and vulnerable to share

934
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Speaker 2: your story from pulpits to just single conversations with people.

935
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Speaker 2: You've deeply impacted me, my friend, even from Afar. But

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Speaker 2: now up close. I'm grateful for you. Where can our

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Speaker 2: audience though, where can they go to find out more

938
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Speaker 2: about you? First question? Okay, Second question, man, what can

939
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Speaker 2: we be praying for for you in the days ahead?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I guess sort of the waypoint for

941
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Speaker 1: for folks to connect with me is just Daniel Richie

942
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Speaker 1: dot com. And then you know, I'm on all the

943
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Speaker 1: all the social medias these days, so whether whether that's

944
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Speaker 1: X or Instagram or Facebook, love to you know, interact

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Speaker 1: with you guys there. And then just just in terms

946
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Speaker 1: of prayer, I think it is too uh man to

947
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Speaker 1: to navigate the man just the much that that God

948
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Speaker 1: has put in my path, from traveling and preaching and speaking,

949
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Speaker 1: to leading the SBC to look projects and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a lot to keep floating in the air,

951
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Speaker 1: and then to to try to you know, pursue Heather

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Speaker 1: and the kids well too. It's just a whole, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot at once. And so that that I

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Speaker 1: would just be I think, very intentional in and all

955
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Speaker 1: to not let just ministry come at me and me

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Speaker 1: survive it, or to not let family life just come

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Speaker 1: my way and for me to survive it. But for

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Speaker 1: me to pursue all those well, to pursue those things

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Speaker 1: to the standard that God has called me to and

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Speaker 1: uh and to I mean just just to seek Him

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Speaker 1: in the midst of all of that. I think it's

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Speaker 1: just that sort of level, little bit of intentionality in all.

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Speaker 2: Things, writing down priorities, intentionality and then endurance. Nice to

964
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Speaker 2: keep on keeping on, Daniel again, You're a gift, brother.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for thank you for coming up here. Thanks

966
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Speaker 2: for your heart and your story. We love and appreciate you,

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother.

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Speaker 2: It's all of our audience. I build different man. I

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Speaker 2: hope and pray that you were as encouraged as I

971
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Speaker 2: was by today's conversation with Daniel Richie. God's doing something

972
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Speaker 2: powerful and if thro'ugh this man right here, and I'm

973
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Speaker 2: grateful that you took the time to listen in or

974
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Speaker 2: to watch today's episode again the resilient life. As I

975
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Speaker 2: mentioned at the beginning of this, I hope you've heard

976
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Speaker 2: the theme throughout the entire conversation. It's not just about

977
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Speaker 2: the ability to overcome hard things, but it's the courage

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Speaker 2: to trust that God is good, that his grace is enough,

979
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Speaker 2: and that he has a purpose for your life, even

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Speaker 2: in the midst of the hardship, to suffering the trial

981
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Speaker 2: that you might find yourself in. Let's keep on keeping on,

982
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Speaker 2: Let's press in tighter and closer together as we navigate

983
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Speaker 2: this new year, and I know that God has something

984
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Speaker 2: special for you. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: We love being a part of your life.