1 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of 2 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: hours of Dennis's lectures courses in classic radio programs had 3 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles. Go to Dennisprager dot com. 4 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: Another easy topic, adultery. You can't say I haven't really 5 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: faced the music in this course. I mean, these have 6 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: not been easy things to do. Uh, you know, it 7 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: is very I have to be I'll tell you a 8 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: very funny story. My older kids, of course know what 9 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 2: I'm teaching here, but I also have a six year 10 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: old and he knows I come to the University of 11 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: Judaism regularly to teach Tora, and so I didn't have 12 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: the heart to say, what are you going to teach 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: tonight adultery. I didn't have the heart to say, why 14 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: my telera, Yes, yeah, I got it there a time, 15 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: you know. And the macro in the public, honesty comes first. 16 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: In the micro, innocence and love and other things come first. 17 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: All right, First, we got a problem with adulterie. The 18 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: problem is defining it. These things are not None of 19 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: these things are easy. I am one of the handful 20 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: of people in America to have actually considered that President 21 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: Clinton's Clintonian English had some merit, and I did not 22 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: vote for the man, as some of you may know, 23 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: So this is not an easy thing even to define. 24 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: So what I did was I went to the dictionary. 25 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: This is Webster's everything is where you know, Webster's is 26 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: not a trademarked thing. You could put out Webster's dictionary. 27 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: But this is the Webster's I got, and it seems 28 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: to be the norm among dictionaries. Voluntary sexual intercourse between 29 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: a married man and someone other than his wife, or 30 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: between a married woman and someone other than her husband. 31 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: That pretty much cover it. That's a very good working 32 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: definition of adultery, all right. Voluntary sexual intercourse between a 33 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: married man and someone other than his wife, between a 34 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: married woman and someone other than her husband. Okay, that 35 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: is the modern definition. That has not been the only definition. 36 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: The Old Testament and the New Testament have different definitions 37 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: or additional as well as different as you know. You 38 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: shall not commit adultery is in the Ten Commandments. It 39 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: is right after you shall not commit murder. And there 40 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: is a good joke about this. It's one of the 41 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: few jokes I know by heart. You know why Moses 42 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: came down twice with the tablets because of the following. 43 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: On the second time coming down with the tablets, he said, 44 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: Jews actually Israelites. I have good news and bad news. 45 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: The good news is I got him down to ten. 46 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: The bad news is adultery stays, which gives you an 47 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: idea of what one of the tougher commandments is for 48 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: people to live by. That joke is a telling one. 49 00:04:16,039 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: The Biblical the the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible understanding 50 00:04:22,039 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: of adultery will shock some of you. It is extramarital 51 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: intercourse of with a married woman. Only a single man 52 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: can therefore commit adultery. A single woman cannot commit adultery. 53 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: By this definition I read to you from one Jewish scholar, 54 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: the adultery condemned is that involving a married woman, whereas 55 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 2: sexual relations between a married man and an unmarried woman 56 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: constitute an offense of a lesser category. This double standard 57 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: quote unquote is consistent with a patriarchal system which allowed 58 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: for polygamy naming a man marrying more than one woman, 59 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: but not polyandry a woman marrying more than one man. 60 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: Still if the husband had not taken the second woman 61 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: as wife or concubine. The relationship was considered to be 62 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: one of zenut harlatry or like prostitution. John Calvin, Oh, well, 63 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: that's an added point, And I'll just mention in a moment, 64 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: because there's a very this is a very interesting arena 65 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: tonight because of differences between Judaism and Christianity. And I 66 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: am a big believer that there is such a thing 67 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: as a Judaeo Christian tradition. I am not always out 68 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: there showing the differences, but when they exist, they exist, 69 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: and they are particularly sharp in some areas of sex 70 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 2: and particularly adultery. But let me just make this clear again. 71 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 2: The Biblical prohibition is specifically against sex with a married woman, 72 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: because a married man could have another wife or a concubine. 73 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: Is that clear. Whether we like this or not is immaterial. 74 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: I just want to explain to you what went on. 75 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: We'll talk about later about is there a difference between 76 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: a man committing adultery and a woman, because that is 77 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: a very important thing if we want to understand adultery 78 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: as well. Now to the New Testament. The New Testament 79 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: goes far far further than the modern the Webster definition 80 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: or the Old Testament the Hebrew Bible. In the New Testament, 81 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: not only is adultery by equally by a married man 82 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: with any woman, or by a married woman with any man, 83 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: but it is not only if you have sex. Rather, 84 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: there are two other forms of adultery enunciated in the 85 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: New Testament Luke, sixteen eighteen. Anyone who divorces his wife 86 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who 87 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: marries a divorced woman commits adultery. That's remarkable to our 88 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: modern sensibilities. There are many Christians who do, or some 89 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: Christians who follow this to this day, But in any event, 90 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: it's quite stretched the definition of adultery beyond the modern 91 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: and beyond the Hebrew. The second elasticizing of the term 92 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: adultery is the very famous statement of Jesus in Matthew 93 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: five twenty seven. You have heard it. You have heard 94 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: that it was said, do not commit adultery. But I 95 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully 96 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Yes, 97 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: that was exactly right with Jimmy Carter. That was the 98 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: issue there where he acknowledged that a born again Christian 99 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: that he is. And this is very very different from 100 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: Jewish attitudes. Jewish attitudes are are very specific. Adultery cannot 101 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: be committed in the mind. It can only be committed 102 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: with the body, and it is specific to certain acts. 103 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: And here Jesus condemns lust itself, not just lust as 104 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: a sin, but lust as adultery. That's the word that 105 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: he uses. Let me tell you something, since I feel 106 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: very free to be open with you. When I grew 107 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: up an Orthodox Jew, I'm still a religious Jew, though 108 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: not Orthodox and when and I'm the light the way 109 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: I grew up, it is not something I left with 110 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: any bitterness or anything. I have wonderful relations with Orthodox 111 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: Jews and so on. I just want to make that clear. 112 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: Not being something doesn't mean one is rejecting it. Be 113 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: that as it may. When I grew up, I had 114 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: Christian envy. Oh, they lucky. They are so lucky Christians. 115 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: I thought they get all the rewards of their religion 116 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: just by believing in Jesus. I have to keep all 117 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: these laws. I can't drive on Shabbat on Saturday, I 118 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: can't eat half the foods that are out there. I 119 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: have all these prohibitions, and they have none of them. 120 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: All they have to do is believe God that they 121 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: have it easy. I believe that until my mid thirties. 122 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: This is not something I merely believed at fourteen. Then 123 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: it did something that normally counteracts ignorance, actually met the 124 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: people that I was ignorant of. I got very involved 125 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: in inter religious dialogue, very involved every week for ten years, 126 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: five hundred evenings of it. That's a lot, Okay, one 127 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: thousand hours over ten years of interfaith dialogue taught me 128 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: a lot. And one of the things that I learned 129 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: was that Christians have it tougher, not easier, because whereas 130 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: Judaism has far more prohibitions on behavior, Christianity has far 131 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: more prohibitions on thought, and I can much more easily 132 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: deal with prohibitions on behavior. It's not that hard to 133 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: avoid shrimp, lobster, oyster, etc. I mean, you get used 134 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: to it. But the thought that I would be sinning 135 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: if I ever lust, it would be a burden that 136 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: I would find very difficult to live with. I would 137 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: either be constantly in guilt or I would be constantly sinning, 138 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: or but something would have to give at some point, 139 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: because if my first lecture is right, the thought that 140 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: a man should cannot or should not lust except for 141 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: his wife, and the Pope has said that one should 142 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: not even lust for one's wife that period is sinful. 143 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: This would leave me at war with my nature in 144 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: a way that I don't have to be when the 145 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: prohibitions are on behavior rather than I mean, that's enough 146 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: of a war against my nature to have prohibitions on behavior, 147 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: But prohibitions on thought is a very severe thing. So 148 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: I never had any more envy of the Christians, the 149 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: individual serious Christians life, given this burden that he or 150 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: she would have to bear because of these definitions that 151 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: I just read to you, Laurie. One extra course idea, 152 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: is it possible for the temperature to change at a 153 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: given point? I may faint that's how warm at least 154 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: I feel, But you know, if they can't change, they 155 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: can't change, all right. That is the issue on defining adultery. 156 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: This episode of timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 157 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom. 158 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Let me just tell you something that you'll find interesting 159 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: in light of what I said about Christians and Jews, 160 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: or Christianity and Judaism. This is from the insight Kilopedia Judaica. 161 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: John Calvin was astonished at not finding an explicit reference 162 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: to fornication i e. Relations between unmarried consenting adults. Among 163 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: the sexual prohibitions of the Bible. The area of greatest 164 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: divergence I believe between Judaism and Christianity. I mean, aside 165 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: from theology, which which is not as significant as behavior, 166 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: in my opinion, is in the area of sex. Fornication 167 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: is mentioned repeatedly as a sin in the New Testament. 168 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: It is not mentioned once in the Hebrew Bible. In 169 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: the Old Testament, the only time married between consenting sex 170 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: between consenting unmarried people is mentioned. Do you know what 171 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: the punishment is? There isn't It isn't even essentially condemned. 172 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: It's just that if a man has sex with a 173 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: woman and she is a virgin, he has to marry her. 174 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: But she doesn't have to marry him. He has to 175 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: marry her, and if she doesn't marry him, if she 176 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: chooses not to, he has to pay the family the 177 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: worth of virginity because he took a valuable item. Virgins 178 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: were worth more. It was actually seen as a simple 179 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: societal issue to be dealt with the sex between the 180 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: adults is virtually a non issue. The issue was she 181 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: lost her virginity. There isn't even talked about. What if 182 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: a non virgin, unmarried woman in a man sleep together 183 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: isn't even suggested as an issue. Does this mean that 184 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: the Hebrew Bible welcomes orgies among the unmarried. No, it 185 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: doesn't because and I will explain why later. But please 186 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: understand between welcoming and condemning as particularly sinful as in fornication, 187 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: there is a divergence. And when I would raise the 188 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: issue with a different clergy within Christianity and Judaism, it 189 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: always came out no matter who the clergy were, Liberal Protestant, Conservative, Protestant, Liberal, Catholic, 190 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: Conservative Catholic, Liberal Jew, Conservative Jew, Orthodox Jew, Reformed Jew, 191 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: didn't matter. There was a real divergence on this issue. 192 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: Whereas lust was perceived by all the Christians as a 193 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: serious sin, and the Jews, while they hardly held it, 194 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: was amidzva to the lust. You know, oh it's a 195 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: great thing. No, but it was just it wasn't in 196 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: the pantheon of great sins to be addressed. There were 197 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: other matters that were far more preoccupying so it's a 198 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: very interesting thing. And to that extent, we live in 199 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: a more Christian country than a Judeo Christian one in 200 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: the arena of sex. In all other arenas I use 201 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: Judeo Christian, but in attitudes towards sex, it is a 202 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: much more Christian country than it is anything else. The 203 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: example of which is the article that I've just written 204 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: that is coming out next week in the Weekly Standard, 205 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: is about the dean of the Harvard Divinity School on 206 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: whose computer was found pornographic images. No children, nothing illegal, 207 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: and it was just assumed, this is so terrible, he 208 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: must resign. I don't suspect that if he were at 209 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: Hebrew University, the Harvard of Israel in a similar capacity, 210 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: that he would have been asked to resign. People would 211 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: have said, it's none of our business, you know, Did 212 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: he hurt anybody? That would have been the question, is 213 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: a guy hurting anybody? No, So let's move on. We 214 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:12,759 Speaker 2: got bigger problems to worry about in Israel, which is 215 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: not governed by Jewish law, of course, and I don't 216 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: want to suggest for one nanosecond that it is, because 217 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: if it were, and believe me, among Orthodox Jews, there 218 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't be a great acceptance of this either. Nevertheless, in Israel, 219 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 2: which is permeated more by Judaism than the United States 220 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: is obviously prostitution is largely legal. In the United States, 221 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: it is not, which is permeated far more by Christianity. 222 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: So it's a very interesting arena of difference. And those 223 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 2: comments in the New Testament are quite severe. If a 224 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: man divorces and takes another woman, he's committed adultery, because 225 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: of course divorce is not recognized at least in the 226 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: literal reading of the New Testament. Okay, yeah, well, in 227 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: other words, whether or not, you know, probably you could 228 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: be arrested for pandering if that's not the word, when 229 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: you are the when you run a bordello. But if 230 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: you do it, it's legal to do it. I don't 231 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: know if it's legal to run a prostitution ring. Okay, 232 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: I'm not I just don't know the exact law. Prostitution 233 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: the act is legal, whether running or bordello is I'm 234 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: not sure. That's what I meant, largely legal. I don't 235 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: know to what extent you can run, you know, Heimi's 236 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: fifty two girls sort of thing. Anyway, I don't want 237 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: to take questions now because I'll never get to move on. 238 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 2: Write them down, please, you know, a clarifying questions, Okay, 239 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: like that one where I just set a comment and 240 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't clear. Now, let's go back to the problem 241 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: of Webster's dictionary. I gave you the Jewish and Christian issues. 242 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: Now back to Webster. Webster says, it's voluntary sexual intercourse 243 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: between a married man and any other woman than his wife, 244 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: and a married woman and any other man than her husband. Right, 245 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: what sexual intercourse? This is the Clintonian aspect that I 246 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: promised you. What is what is sexual intercourse? According I 247 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: look that up too. This is what Webster says. Webster's 248 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: gives two definitions. Heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina 249 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: by the penis. That is the most obvious, well known thing. 250 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: That's the first thing we would think of when we 251 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: say sexual intercourse. But they give a second definition, intercourse 252 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the 253 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: vagina by the penis. This, of course, was written in 254 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: the last three months, and I'm kidding about that. I 255 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: don't know when this was written, but it would be 256 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: interesting because it seems so incredibly germane to the national 257 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: trauma that America went through. Again, let me read you 258 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: the second definition intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other 259 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: than penetrate of the vagina by the penis. So it 260 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: has to be genital contact, now, believe it or not? 261 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: So wondering do I really know what? You know? What 262 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: I assumed to be normal? I even looked up genitals 263 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: just to make sure I got that right, and everything 264 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: is now up for grabs, no pun intended. It's parable 265 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: and it is fun, but what is what our GENI now, 266 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: the genitals are the reproductive okay, it is vaginaan penis. 267 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: So therefore, touching breasts would not count as sexual intercourse 268 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: by the either definition, nor with touching the buttocks of 269 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: either party, of the inner thigh, or any of those 270 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: other things that that judge made were. You know, it 271 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: was quite quite a long list of parts of body 272 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: that could be touched. 273 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: This episode of timeless wisdom will continue right after this. 274 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless was So. 275 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: Pretty much, we have genital intercourse okay, as our guiding definition, 276 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: and it certainly would have been the Biblical definition with 277 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: regard to thou shall not commit adultery, that the Bible 278 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: would not look happily upon a married person, you know, 279 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: engaging in all forms of sexual play except for genital touching, 280 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: or except for intercourse itself. Of course, it wouldn't look favorably, 281 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: but that would not be violating thou shalt not commit adultery. 282 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: A major rabbinic figure, a rabbinic scholar, wrote in Jewish 283 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: Week in New York during the Clinton Lewinsky matter that 284 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: he did not commit adultery by Jewish law, major Orthodox 285 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: rabbi Orthodox okay, which shows the complexity of even the 286 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: word adultery. What actually is it? Is it emotional? Is 287 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: it psychological? Is it physical? What is it? And I'm 288 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: not playing with words, and I'm certainly not a spokesman 289 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: for the White House, but it is a very That 290 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it was good. The fact that it 291 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: may not be adultery. It is certainly betrayal of some sort, okay, 292 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: But betrayal and adultery are not the same thing. And 293 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: words are very important. That's all the human being has 294 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: to elevate us into some clarity in life. Now, I'll 295 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: make it even tougher for you. I'm going to ask 296 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: you a series of questions and give answers. They're not 297 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: rhetorical for you to contemplate and reject or accept my answers. 298 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: They are questions you have to deal with with regard 299 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: to the subject of adultery. For example, are all levels 300 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 2: of sexual intercourse or better, because that is a loaded term, 301 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: are all level or all aspects or all forms of 302 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: sexual touching adultery? That's a fair question. Is kissing a 303 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: married man kisses an unmarried woman open mouth kiss? Okay, 304 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: I don't mean to peck on the cheek. How you doing? 305 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: Is that adultery? Raise your hand if you think he 306 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: committed adultery. I'm not gonna call on you, So don't 307 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: be afraid to raise your hands. Okay, all right, one 308 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: man and four hundred and six women. No, no, no, 309 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: actually just a few women and so well, raise your hand. 310 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want you to be 311 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: shy on this. I need you're part of this. Raise 312 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: your hand if you don't think he committed adultery. Okay, 313 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: nearly all of you do not believe he committed adultery. 314 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: Do all of you believe that he betrayed his wife. Okay, fine, 315 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: so betrayal and I agree, So there is if there's 316 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: betrayal and there's a adultery, and they're not the same 317 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: thing at all. It's a very important point. And okay, 318 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: now what if he Okay, let's go further. He has 319 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: put his hands all over her while she's clothed. You 320 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: feel that that's adultery? Raise your hand? Do I get 321 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 2: any takers on that one? Maybe a few more than 322 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: on the open mouth kissing. No? No, no, he stopped, 323 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: He started and stopped with that behavior. He did not 324 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: continue beyond that. Is that adultery? Okay, raise your hand again? 325 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: If that's adultery, Oh, it's all right. We don't have 326 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: many takers. You feel it is? Okay? All right? Uh? Next? 327 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: Are there levels of sin? And I don't mean this religiously. 328 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: Let us use the term sin in a secular way. 329 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: Everybody here, I assume believes that it adultery is a sin, right, 330 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: I don't mean theologically. If you're an atheist, you could 331 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: live with this with me. That it's wrong. You prefer that, Okay, 332 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 2: it's wrong. Do we, however, believe that there are levels 333 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: of wrongness to adultery. For example, would you say that 334 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: a one night stand while on a business trip with 335 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: a woman whose name he doesn't know is the same 336 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: as a long affair with a woman at the office. 337 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: Would any woman here? The men certainly won't. Would any 338 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: woman here? Men, I don't even have to ask the question. 339 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: You're just rooting for the women to give the right answer. 340 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: Then would any would any woman here argue that it's 341 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: a toss up. It's irrelative. Two are equally wrong. Equally 342 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: wrong A year long affair with a woman at the office, 343 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: a one night stand and with a woman these name 344 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: he doesn't know. All right, So about ten of you, 345 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: all right, women who think that they are not equally wrong? 346 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: Raise your hand, all right? So that's pretty much a 347 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: four five to one ratio, it seems to me. What's 348 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: the reverse? Me? Huh oh, well, okay, I am going 349 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: to come to the woman issue, absolutely, but I'm going 350 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: to do it in a roundabout way. You'll see. Then again, 351 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: of course, how about this, I got a question for 352 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: women to prefer your husband. Here are two choices that 353 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: allows e choices. I admit him, Okay, your husband, but 354 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: only to make the point that life is complex and 355 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: so is all matters of sex, and we need to 356 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: think these things through. It's the only reason I'm doing this. 357 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: It's not at all a game. Your husband has open 358 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: mouth kisses with a woman, or a protected sex endeavor 359 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: with no kissing with an escort service girl. Okay, you 360 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: don't have to worry about age. It's all protected, so 361 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: get that out of your brains. Is an issue. I'm 362 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: just talking on your emotional and psychological level. Open mouth 363 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: kiss with a woman he knows, or a one night 364 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: stand with no kissing, protected sex escort service Harry's Blondes 365 00:27:54,359 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: in Dayton, Ohio. Okay, open mouth kissing worse? Raise your hand, 366 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: all right? Eat one night fine? Fair enough? No, no, no, 367 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: it's open mouth with the woman he knows, a woman 368 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: he knows. Okay, that's all right. Do we want to 369 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: vote or you just want to get the point you 370 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: want to vote? Okay? Fine? The worst is the open 371 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: mouth kiss with the woman he knows. Raise your hand? 372 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: Only women plays, right, The worst is the one night 373 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: stand no kissing with the escort service girl. All right? 374 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: Third choice equal? Okay. We got pretty much even votes 375 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: and the equal came out, so listen to that. Isn't 376 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: that all right? So here you go. It shows you 377 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: already the vast majority of women in this group, who 378 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: span religions, who span backgrounds, who span age groups, there 379 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: must be six decades different of women in this group 380 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: have overwhelmingly not said that sex was worse, was more serious. 381 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: It was either equal to an open mouth kiss and 382 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: nothing else, or actually less worse, less bad. This gives 383 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: you an idea of how and this is correct, we 384 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 2: are reacting. You react, I think, to my mind very 385 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: normally forgive me unhealthfuls. Of course, there are differences in 386 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: our perceptions. I'm not talking about the issue of what 387 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: is legally adultery, but in our perceptions of what is serious. 388 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: Then there is the issue, is uh for those who believe, now, 389 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 2: how many of you voted that a guy's hands all 390 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: over the woman's body, eve clothed was adultery? Raise your 391 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: hands again? Okay, okay, not many. How's this? Your husband 392 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: goes for a lap dance? You know what a lap 393 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: dance is? Okay, let me tell you. I read about it. 394 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: This is what a lap dance is. I looked it 395 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: up in Webster's lap Dance, which Webster Hugh Webster. A 396 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: woman is an either unclothed or virtually unclothed, and she 397 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: dances around your body and touches your body and wiggles 398 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: her body all over you, and sits on your lap unclothed. 399 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: And this is a common thing at strip joins today 400 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: in America and in Europe. Okay, now not at all. 401 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: Hold on, I'll get to that's point too. But she 402 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: has been all over you with her nakedness. Is that adultery? 403 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: Raise your hand if that's adultery? Come on, you voted 404 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: that if he touches her clothes, she's naked on his lap, 405 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: and it's not adultery. I will that's a second question. 406 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Oh, you don't think he's acting when she's 407 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: on the lap. I mean, let's say, let's say his 408 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: hands are tied behind him, all right, but nevertheless he 409 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: has acted in that he has sought this. She didn't 410 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: invade him. He went involuntarily. How many women think that 411 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: this man committed adultery? Oh no, no, I'm just curious. 412 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: So five women, one, raise your hands, one, four, five, six, seven, eight. 413 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: You would call that adultery. My husband committed adultery. He 414 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: went to a script joint and had a lap dance, 415 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: and it's a very serious issue with yourself. Adultery is 416 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: the most serious thing your husband could do, and you 417 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: would call that adult. I'm just challenging you. I'm not 418 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: giving you. I don't want to give you a hard time. 419 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: Are you with me? Okay? But the vast majority of 420 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: women would not call that adultery. How many women here 421 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: would be profoundly upset if their husband did that. How 422 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: many women would not be profoundly upset if everything else 423 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: was going hunky dory in the marriage? Very interesting? This 424 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: would be fascinating to have you women dialogue with each other. 425 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: It would It would be fascinating, It truly would all right, Now, 426 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: one added thing your question. During the lap dance, he 427 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 2: touches her, did he commit adultery? You gotta raise your 428 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: hand or I'm gonna I'm gonna be totally confused overclothing. Yes, 429 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: underclothing though, Okay, he touches her during the lap dance. 430 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: Is that adultery? Raise your hand? Women only? Well? Very interesting? 431 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: So you draw a distinction between what is like commercial 432 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: venture lark and private with a woman. The vast majority 433 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: of you women, I salute you that's very interesting. It's 434 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: going to increase lap dance business enormously when this tape 435 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: gets out. But that's a separate issue. Men. I want 436 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: to ask the men. Do any of the men believe 437 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: that in any of these instances the man has committed adultery? Thank? 438 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 2: I have asked this question thus far to four million, 439 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: eight hundred twenty six men. 440 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: Okay, This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 441 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless Wisdom. 442 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: Next, I got more questions for you. Is this adultery? Okay? 443 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: Man has a weekly lunch for an hour and a 444 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: half with a woman at his where he works or 445 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: works in his business, not necessarily the same office where 446 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: he pours out his soul and the most intimate details 447 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: of his life to her. They do not kiss, They 448 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: do not sexual touch. Did he commit adultery? All right? 449 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: One man feels that he did? Did none of the 450 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: women do? All? Right? Here is now? Then? Now I 451 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 2: got you though, women, Now, but I'm going to totally 452 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 2: trust that you're gonna give me an honest answer. Would 453 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: you prefer that your husband had a one night stand 454 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: at Harry's blonde's escort service protected. Okay, we'll get the 455 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: AIDS issue away, or weekly lunches where he poured out 456 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 2: his soul to a woman that he worked with. Raise 457 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: your hand for the one night stand in Dayton? Anybody 458 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,959 Speaker 2: here from Dayton? Okay? Fine, one night stand in Dayton? Women, Okay, 459 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 2: I'll give you an equal to Okay, every week lunch 460 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: pouring out his heart and the most intimate details of 461 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 2: his life. You'd prefer that he did that. Huh? You 462 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: would cut out his heart? I didn't. The last thing 463 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: I want to know is the punishments you would meet 464 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: out of the guys. It would be too painful to 465 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 2: stand here and hear this. I can't even It would 466 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: surpass all the violence I have seen in movies. So 467 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 2: I understand that nobody, so no woman here would vote. 468 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: I would prefer the weekly lunch. Okay, here we go, 469 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: so very very few four of you. Five. You're a 470 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 2: very interesting thing. Are you dating her? Yeah? Okay, just okay, 471 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: the vast majority of women. Again, By the way, I 472 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: want you to understand, I am in total sync with 473 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: the way the majority women's vote are going because it 474 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: makes sense now, because it seems to me obviously we 475 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: don't want either, of course not, but life does and 476 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 2: present us always with perfect versus imperfect, but various levels 477 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: of imperfection in any event. And these choices are theoretical obviously, 478 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 2: although they all have taken place in real life. To me, 479 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: there is no question but that pouring his heart out 480 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: is a greater distancing than a one night stand in 481 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 2: Dayton as a man, I could say that to you, 482 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 2: and I didn't have a one night stand in date. 483 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: But it seems to me, M what you say, Cleveland, 484 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 2: I was not right. 485 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: That was not right. 486 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: She's a character, this I tell you. But she applauded. 487 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 2: And I can take anything, absolutely no, no that. 488 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: A man. 489 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 2: Remember I have given this course in in logical sequence. 490 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 2: If male sexuality is as I described it, and there 491 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 2: were very few dissenting views on there were none, then 492 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 2: he can have a one night stand somewhere where it 493 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: is true masturbatory. It is of no consequence to him. 494 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: But of course it's a consequence pouring his heart out 495 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: to a woman at lunch, of course it is. And 496 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: then he comes home and he doesn't pour his heart 497 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: out because he's not going to pour his heart out 498 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: to two women. I mean, that's just obviously it would 499 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: seem to me, there's no question. This is not a 500 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 2: defense of the one night stand in Ohio. It is 501 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: a statement, though, that when it comes to real life 502 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 2: and what threatens marriage, maybe we should rethink certain things 503 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 2: and not have instinct women. And that brings me. All 504 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: of this was meant to bring to a point. Here 505 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 2: is the point. What do you do if your partner 506 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: does commit adultera. The answer is it depends. That's the 507 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: only answer. The answer. I would divorce him immediately. I 508 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 2: would throw him out of my home and out of 509 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 2: my life, deprive my children of a father, and deprive 510 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: me of fifteen years or whatever years that I have 511 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 2: invested in this human being is just ego, silly. I'm 512 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: so hurt, I'm so angry, my ego is so affected. 513 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: I will throw him out. My bottom line is how 514 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 2: do people act in real life? Not just the interesting 515 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 2: and it is interesting theories about sex. And I believe 516 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: this for a man every bit as much as I 517 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: believe this for a woman. A man who says if 518 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: my wife cheated on me, I would divorce is as 519 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 2: foolish in my belief as a woman who says it. 520 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: I have zero difference. What is good for the goose 521 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: is good for the gander. I have always believed. I 522 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: never liked the dual standards that they had. If he 523 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 2: slept around, he was a hero. If she did, she 524 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 2: was a slough. I never bought that when I was single. 525 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 2: I just have to tell you, and I'm hardly a feminist. 526 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: I do believe in human equality, though, but that's well, 527 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 2: not a set issue. That is the issue. But in 528 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: any event, although I still believe there is a difference 529 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: between male adultery and female adultery in its potential significance, 530 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: which is something I'll come to in a minute, but 531 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 2: I want to address specifically this issue of what do 532 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 2: you do if your partner has sexually strayed. I would 533 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: be much more worried if I were a woman, if 534 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 2: my husband had those weekly lunches. To give just the example, 535 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: we gave you, pour your house, our heart out to her. 536 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to be your best friend, your confidante. That's 537 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 2: why we married. So he lost his head on a 538 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 2: business trip is very different than a regular meeting with 539 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 2: another woman. So it would seem to me, and it 540 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: would seem to me as a man. Okay, it would 541 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 2: seem to me too, though women don't work like that. 542 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 2: They don't call up Harry's gorgeous guise when they go 543 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 2: to Dayton. It does doesn't work the same way, which 544 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: brings me to my other point, and that is is 545 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: it the same when a man strays and a woman does? 546 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: And the answer is it depends. It absolutely depends. It 547 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: depends on why. But here is what I will say. 548 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 2: There are two reasons men do. There's one reason a 549 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 2: woman does. That's the difference, and it's a big difference. 550 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: And it's critical to know this. I have never known it. 551 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 2: I'm sure it exists. Okay, everything exists, But in all 552 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 2: my radio talk to people about these issues, in all 553 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 2: my interviewing of people, in all my writings, I have 554 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 2: never come across. Doesn't mean I'm sure it exists, but 555 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 2: I never came across a woman who was happily married, 556 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 2: in love with her husband, a normal physical life with 557 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 2: him as well, who, however, on a business trip, was 558 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 2: overcome by gorgeous legs on a man I just had 559 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 2: to have him. I'm sure it has happened. But yes, 560 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 2: that's good. Ut, Yeah, that's correct. It all happens. There 561 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 2: None of these rules. Applaud you poor thing. You don't 562 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: even have an Australian accent. Oh you do have leny 563 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 2: parfectly south of the equator. It's inverted, It's all inverted. 564 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: This has been timeless wisdom with Dennis Prager. Visit Dennisprager 565 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: dot com for thousands of hours of Dennis's lectures, courses, 566 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: and classic radio programs, and to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles.