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Speaker 2: There's a million kids that won't go into a church

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Speaker 2: ever in their life, but they will watch an iPhone

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Speaker 2: and they'll watch a screen. So what can I put

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Speaker 2: on that screen? The whole entertainment world is a giant refrigerator.

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Speaker 2: It's full of junk food, but we're the apple. We're

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Speaker 2: the grapes. We're the healthy option. You know, I got

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Speaker 2: a great maquette story. My mother-in-law had a Goofy statue.

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Speaker 2: Disney's Goofy.

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Speaker 1: You know, Goofy.

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Speaker 2: She had this on her end table for like years.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this thing.

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Speaker 2: Finally, I got married to my wife and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: her name was Janet. I go, Janet, do you want

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Speaker 2: this thing? She's like, oh, you can have it. I go,

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Speaker 2: you sure? I go, because I'm a cartoonist.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, just take it.

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Speaker 2: So I take it. It's mine now. So I look

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of it, and it says, return to

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Speaker 2: the Disney character department.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, and it was a really intricate sculpture

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Speaker 2: of Goofy. It was perfect condition.

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Speaker 1: Do you have it still?

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Speaker 2: Well, I said, I can't keep this. She didn't know

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Speaker 2: what it was. You returned it? I returned it, but

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Speaker 2: I said, look, I'm going to return it on one condition.

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Speaker 2: We're going to auction this off. And we auctioned it

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Speaker 2: off for $ 8, 000. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, which I still

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Speaker 2: think could have got more, because it was at the

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Speaker 2: end of the auction. That's so collectible. It was so cool.

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Speaker 2: I should have kept it to this day. To this day.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking with Butch Hartman, a cartoonist extraordinaire. And

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Speaker 1: this is the first time, Butch, that I've ever sat

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Speaker 1: down with a fellow artist. And I hesitate to use

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Speaker 1: that expression because you're a true artist, animator, cartoonist. I

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Speaker 1: was always aspired to be one, and I've dabbled in it.

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Speaker 1: I always describe myself as an advanced doodler.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Because I love to draw. I love to create. But...

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Speaker 1: I've always loved the world of cartooning and animation, and

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Speaker 1: you've had amazing success. Tell us about some of the

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Speaker 1: shows that people might know about. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, the main show I think I'm mostly known for

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Speaker 2: was on Nickelodeon called The Fairly Odd Parents. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: one started out. We had started as an official series

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Speaker 2: in 2001, and it ran for 18 years on Nickelodeon.

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Speaker 1: Wow. And the funny thing is, before I knew you

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Speaker 1: or knew about you, I watched it with my grandkids.

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Speaker 1: My grandkids loved this cartoon, and they thought, well, this

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Speaker 1: cartoon is really cool because it's sort of retro-modern. It's

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Speaker 1: sort of a little throwback to stuff I grew up on,

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Speaker 1: Looney Tunes, Disney.

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Speaker 2: Hanna-Barbera.

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Speaker 1: Hanna-Barbera, for sure. But then it had this very modern sensibility.

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Speaker 1: It was in the world of today, and so it

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Speaker 1: connected to my grandkids. But I appreciated the sort of

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Speaker 1: nostalgic element of it. Oh, thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that What was cool is I developed that show.

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Speaker 2: I was in the industry. Well, first of all, I'm

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Speaker 2: from Michigan originally. I came out here in 1983 when

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Speaker 2: an animator for Disney. And to this day, I've never

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Speaker 2: been an animator for Disney. But that was my goal.

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Speaker 1: But just about everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to be.

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Speaker 2: And so I went to college. I went to CalArts

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Speaker 2: in Valencia where I studied character animation. All the guys

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Speaker 2: everybody from that time, from 83 to 86, Most of

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Speaker 2: at Disney. It was just incredible.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of a golden era with the Cartoon Network,

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Speaker 1: kind of a rediscovery of animation. Yeah. Because it sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually there at Hanna-Barbera the day it

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Speaker 2: became Cartoon Network. I was working at Hanna-Barbera. This is 1991.

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Speaker 2: like 400 people. We all walk out of the parking

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Speaker 2: he said, well, hello everybody. We have some pleasantries. And

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Speaker 2: looked around. And then he said, if anybody here has

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Speaker 2: an idea, that you have for a cartoon, we'd love

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Speaker 2: to hear it. And no one had ever done that before.

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Speaker 2: There was never, ever a studio that let the workers

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Speaker 1: But maybe you were one of the first generations to

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Speaker 1: grow up on cartoons because those old school Disney animators

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Speaker 1: with the great animated films. Yeah, that old man, yeah.

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Speaker 1: They didn't grow up on animation. In that wild, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: But your generation did. You were watching Yogi Bear. You

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Speaker 1: were watching all those Hannibal Bears. Were they running? I

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Speaker 1: always remember they'd be running across something. It'd be the

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Speaker 1: same background going back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Fred Flintstone would pass the same couch and chair

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Speaker 2: 40 times. Wilma! 40 different versions of the same couch.

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Speaker 1: But they cracked a code to develop all of these

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Speaker 1: new shows that were quite different from... You know, the

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Speaker 2: Well, Tom and Jerry and Bugs Bunny and those kind

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Speaker 2: of cartoons were higher quality. Those were made for movie theaters.

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Speaker 1: They really were.

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Speaker 2: Before TV was invented.

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Speaker 2: And so they made them for the movie theaters because

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Speaker 2: like four cartoons, three movies, and two newsreels. And that

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Speaker 2: they started putting those cartoons on television. Those are the

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Speaker 2: ones you and I saw growing up, the Bugs Bunnies

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Speaker 2: and the Tom and Jerry's. Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera,

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Speaker 2: who created Tom and Jerry, when television came around, they're like,

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Speaker 2: how do we do this on a weekly basis? That's

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Speaker 2: where limited animation came from. They couldn't do as many drawings.

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Speaker 2: It was too expensive. But that's why Fred Flintstone has

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Speaker 2: a five o'clock shadow on his face, because they could

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Speaker 2: 500 times. That is so funny. I didn't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you had to have tricks where you would, if you

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Speaker 2: look at Quick Draw McGraw, this horse, he had like

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Speaker 2: the snout. They would just take his snout off and

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Speaker 2: put a different snout on it. So he would, hey,

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Speaker 2: he could do the voice and talk all day long, right?

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Speaker 2: So the limited animation made it possible for television to happen.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Now, when did you discover that you had

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Speaker 1: the ability to draw? Do you think some people just

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Speaker 1: have a natural ability and others maybe don't have it

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Speaker 1: as much, but they can develop it? Or where do

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Speaker 1: you think that fits in?

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Speaker 2: I think it really comes down to desire. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people can do whatever they want. We

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Speaker 2: know that. We serve a creative God. God made us

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Speaker 2: creative beings. We can create anything. And humans are always

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Speaker 2: growing in their creativity. If you look at a dog,

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Speaker 2: if you want to develop something, you can. I think

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Speaker 2: I had a knack for it when I was a kid. However,

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Speaker 1: I was interested.

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Speaker 2: I was passionate. I was thrilled about it. Every time

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Speaker 2: This is back before you could freeze an image on TV.

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Speaker 2: And then back in the late 70s, you could get

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Speaker 2: these little film reels, little clips of Disney movies on film.

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Speaker 2: They were like maybe five minutes long, a piece of

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Speaker 2: like Sword in the Stone or like 101 Dalmatians. I

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Speaker 2: trace like Peter Pan on the wall just to learn

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Speaker 2: how to draw these characters. And so- It seemed impossible

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Speaker 2: back then. Every drawing didn't seem like it was going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: But as you realize, you develop over the years.

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Speaker 1: Well, for me, my mom was married and divorced seven times.

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Speaker 2: You say seven times?

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Speaker 1: Seven, yeah. Wow. And boyfriends in between.

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Speaker 1: And she also was a raging alcoholic. And she would

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Speaker 1: And I remember one night my mother brought home an

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Speaker 1: animator from Disney, or so he said. Well, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I said, prove it by drawing Mickey Mouse. Pulls out

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Speaker 1: a little pencil and draws a flawless Mickey Mouse. I

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Speaker 1: and put it under your pillow. When you wake up

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Speaker 1: in the morning, you'll be able to draw like me.

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Speaker 1: And I believed him. Sad thing is, I was 30. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. That's a joke. I was just a really

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Speaker 1: little kid. I literally believed him. Excitedly went to bed,

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Speaker 2: Woke up with a pencil in your ear, and your

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Speaker 2: ear's bleeding. This is terrible.

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Speaker 1: I wake up, I grab the pencil. I can hardly

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Speaker 1: wait to draw Mickey Mouse. Of course, I couldn't. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't until I got Older than I realized, he just

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Speaker 1: wanted me to go away so he could be with

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Speaker 1: my mom, right? Greg, this makes me.

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Speaker 2: Very sad now. I'm sorry that animator let you down.

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Speaker 2: I'm terribly sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: Tell me his name.

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Speaker 1: Tell him to find this guy. What was his name now?

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Speaker 1: But that was the world I retreated to. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about your childhood and your upbringing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. I come from a similar background. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it was the same exactly on that level. But

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Speaker 2: my parents got divorced when I was nine. There was

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Speaker 2: And how to draw with ink. Because when you can

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Speaker 2: draw with ink confidently, you really, really become better as

434
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Speaker 2: an artist. Because that's why I started putting the pencil

435
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Speaker 2: down and drawing with ink a lot more because it

436
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Speaker 2: would make me more confident because you can't erase. Wow.

437
00:18:01,484 --> 00:18:03,185
Speaker 2: It's like you've got to be confident about that line.

438
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Speaker 2: So that's when I was really good.

439
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Speaker 1: I've noticed that you use a tablet-like device, iPad or something.

440
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Speaker 2: iPad, yeah.

441
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Speaker 1: Was it hard to move from pen and ink to

442
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Speaker 1: the digital format? And have you gotten to a place

443
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Speaker 1: where you feel like it has the same feel or

444
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Speaker 1: do you have to adapt to that?

445
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Speaker 2: It's a little tricky because when you're, you don't realize this,

446
00:18:22,695 --> 00:18:24,334
Speaker 2: but when you draw on paper your whole life, you

447
00:18:24,375 --> 00:18:26,175
Speaker 2: know when to stop, you know how the paper feels.

448
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Speaker 2: When you draw on glass on a tablet.

449
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

450
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Speaker 2: The stylus will stop about a billionth of a second

451
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Speaker 2: after you want it to stop because the glass is

452
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Speaker 2: very slick. So you have to adapt for that. But

453
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Speaker 2: I really love digital art. You know why? Because you

454
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Speaker 2: never run out of color. You never run out of ink.

455
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Speaker 2: I don't have to buy a set of markers every

456
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Speaker 2: three months, you know? So I really like that. But

457
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Speaker 2: then people, because I offer to do drawings for people

458
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Speaker 2: and most of them want them on paper because it's

459
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Speaker 2: more one of a kind. Oh, sure. They want them

460
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Speaker 2: on paper. But the digital format allows me more color choices,

461
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Speaker 2: allows me, I can size things, copy things, email things.

462
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Speaker 2: You go much faster. If I'm going to do a

463
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Speaker 2: painting like this for us to paint that, traditional paints,

464
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Speaker 2: it'd be like, for me, like a couple weeks. But

465
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Speaker 2: on digital, I could do it in a couple hours,

466
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Speaker 2: you know, because it's just a lot faster.

467
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Speaker 1: So you started out working on a lot of other

468
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Speaker 1: people's projects. You worked on An American Tale, which was

469
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Speaker 1: a great film. I did, yeah. What are some of

470
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Speaker 1: the other films you worked on before you developed your

471
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Speaker 1: own series?

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked on An American Tale. It was one

473
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Speaker 2: of my first jobs in 1986 as an animator. Then

474
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Speaker 2: I worked on My Little Pony, the first TV series

475
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Speaker 2: from Marvel Productions. Yeah. Then I worked at Hanna-Barbera. I

476
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Speaker 2: worked on Tom and Jerry Kids. That was a TV series.

477
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Speaker 2: I worked on Droopy, Master Detective. I worked on Dexter's Laboratory,

478
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Speaker 2: Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls. I worked on– what was the

479
00:19:41,574 --> 00:19:44,894
Speaker 2: other one? Oh, it was Cow and Chicken. And then

480
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Speaker 2: I started selling my own shows to Nickelodeon and then

481
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Speaker 2: started developing my own stuff.

482
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Speaker 1: So at what point did you say, okay, I'm going

483
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Speaker 1: to do my own thing and I have some ideas?

484
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Speaker 1: So it said when you were over there at the

485
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Speaker 1: Cartoon Network and Ted Turner said, give me your ideas.

486
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Speaker 1: Is that when it began for you?

487
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Speaker 2: Pretty much. Because a buddy of mine, I was never

488
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Speaker 2: going to do this. I always tell people seize an

489
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Speaker 2: opportunity when it comes along. I've learned this. A friend

490
00:20:06,504 --> 00:20:07,935
Speaker 2: of mine said, hey, they just told us we could

491
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Speaker 2: pitch our own ideas. I've got an idea. Do you

492
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Speaker 2: want to help me? And I said, nope. I said,

493
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Speaker 2: I don't want to. I'm happy with my job. Thanks

494
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Speaker 2: very much. Had I kept that mindset, I never would

495
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Speaker 2: have gone anywhere. It's almost like Jesus saying to Peter,

496
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Speaker 2: cast your net over the side and you're going to

497
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Speaker 2: get a bunch of fish. And you're like, well, I'm

498
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Speaker 2: holding this net. And my friend says, do you want

499
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Speaker 2: to help me? And I finally said, sure, I'll help you.

500
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Speaker 2: And it was through that experience. And we actually sold

501
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Speaker 2: that show. It wasn't a great show, but we sold

502
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Speaker 2: it because it was the first one that we pitched.

503
00:20:36,264 --> 00:20:37,645
Speaker 2: And they said, yeah, we're just going to buy that.

504
00:20:37,685 --> 00:20:40,665
Speaker 2: So that taught me I could sell stuff. And I

505
00:20:40,705 --> 00:20:42,565
Speaker 2: could actually make stuff people would want. And I could

506
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Speaker 2: develop it on my own. So I kind of got

507
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Speaker 2: the bug of doing my own thing. Creating my own characters.

508
00:20:47,435 --> 00:20:50,655
Speaker 2: Writing my own stories. Writing my own jokes. And then

509
00:20:50,794 --> 00:20:52,494
Speaker 2: being able to be a leader at that point. And

510
00:20:52,514 --> 00:20:54,814
Speaker 2: that's when you really start becoming a producer and a

511
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Speaker 2: showrunner and a leader in your chosen field. Seizing the opportunity.

512
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be an animator. I never became one.

513
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Speaker 1: I got to work in it a little bit. But

514
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Speaker 1: I wanted a cartoon strip. And I used to correspond

515
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Speaker 1: with Charles Schultz. That's amazing. I would write him letters

516
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Speaker 1: and he would write me back.

517
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Speaker 2: He was amazing.

518
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Speaker 1: He was so kind. And when I got a letter

519
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Speaker 1: from Charles M. Schultz at that point in my life

520
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Speaker 1: as a young man.

521
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Speaker 2: That must have freaked you out.

522
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Speaker 1: Well, it was like a letter from heaven almost. It

523
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Speaker 1: was just like, Charles M. Schultz, I couldn't wait to

524
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Speaker 1: open it up.

525
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Speaker 2: He didn't give you a magic pencil to put under

526
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Speaker 2: your pillow.

527
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Speaker 1: No, he didn't.

528
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Speaker 2: That wasn't the same guy, was it?

529
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Speaker 1: But I was so bold. I said to him, would

530
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Speaker 1: you send me one of your actual comic strips like

531
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Speaker 1: the ones I see in the paper? And he sent

532
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Speaker 1: it to me. Isn't that amazing? And the frames were

533
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Speaker 1: like this large, as you know. They're not small like

534
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Speaker 1: you see in the paper. And I lost it, of course.

535
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Speaker 1: And it would be worth thousands and thousands of dollars.

536
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Speaker 1: He sent me signed things. He was so kind. But

537
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Speaker 1: I basically had two aspirations in life. I want to

538
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Speaker 1: be a professional cartoonist, backup plan creator. I'll open a

539
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Speaker 1: pet shop because I loved animals.

540
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Speaker 2: There's a cartoon right there. That's where the dog band

541
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Speaker 2: comes from. Pet shop. Right.

542
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, for me, I still see things like

543
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Speaker 1: I'll see something I find amusing. I'll look at a scene.

544
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Speaker 1: It's something in life, something, an article I read and

545
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Speaker 1: I'll read it. And then I'll have my punchline. I

546
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Speaker 1: can't stop myself from thinking that way.

547
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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

548
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Speaker 1: You know, I see like frames. Frame, punchline.

549
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Speaker 2: I love that.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, and once it's in your head, it kind of,

551
00:22:26,175 --> 00:22:28,314
Speaker 1: I always see, but I've been able to bring that

552
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Speaker 1: over into preaching as well.

553
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Speaker 2: Well, you're a storyteller. That's the greatest thing. Yeah.

554
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Speaker 1: Really, at the bottom of all of it, or at

555
00:22:34,965 --> 00:22:37,264
Speaker 1: the base of all of it, it really, that's it.

556
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Speaker 1: And coming to storytelling, who was a better storyteller than

557
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Speaker 1: Jesus himself? And the Bible is filled with the greatest

558
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Speaker 1: stories of all time. And so you came to faith

559
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Speaker 1: in Christ. Tell me where and when that happened.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened when I was 35 years old. I

561
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Speaker 2: was going to Crenshaw Christian.

562
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Speaker 1: A little bit later in life.

563
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Speaker 2: A little bit later in life, yeah. And I'd grown

564
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Speaker 2: up with no God in my life at all, and

565
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Speaker 2: neither did my wife. I've been married 34 years to

566
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Speaker 2: my beautiful wife, Julianne. And she and I had been

567
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Speaker 2: married for eight years. We had our first two daughters,

568
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Speaker 2: our only two daughters. We were very little. And she

569
00:23:12,435 --> 00:23:15,374
Speaker 2: had a very chaotic upbringing as well. And we were thinking,

570
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Speaker 2: we want our kids to have a better life than

571
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Speaker 2: we had when we grew up. And we had a

572
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Speaker 2: real dear friend of ours who had really great kids.

573
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Speaker 2: We said, how do you raise your kids so well?

574
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Speaker 2: He said, we go to church. And we went, go

575
00:23:25,215 --> 00:23:28,634
Speaker 2: to church? I don't want to go to church. But

576
00:23:28,675 --> 00:23:31,054
Speaker 2: then the Holy Spirit got in and then started basically

577
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Speaker 2: leading us to different churches. We were going to church

578
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Speaker 2: on the way. All these different churches around LA. We

579
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Speaker 2: ended up at Crenshaw Christian Center, taught by Frederick K.C.

580
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Speaker 1: Price.

581
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Speaker 2: I got saved at that church, went there for 10 years.

582
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Speaker 2: And the day I realized I had to start going

583
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Speaker 2: to church, we walked in the first day. Fred Price

584
00:23:47,844 --> 00:23:50,885
Speaker 2: is teaching on tithing and giving. And that was something

585
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Speaker 2: that I had a real stronghold over. I don't want

586
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Speaker 2: to give people my money, my church. But for some reason,

587
00:23:55,504 --> 00:23:57,225
Speaker 2: this Holy Spirit softened my heart that day and said,

588
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Speaker 2: you got to come back to this church. So I

589
00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:01,354
Speaker 2: learned how not only to be a Christian, but I

590
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Speaker 2: learned how to be a giver and a tither and

591
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Speaker 2: someone who would bless people other than want to take

592
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Speaker 2: from them. And that really taught me, I got to

593
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Speaker 2: teach giving. Not just giving money, but giving of yourself.

594
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Speaker 2: Jesus says, if you want to follow me, deny yourself.

595
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

596
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Speaker 2: And pick up your cross and follow me. So I

597
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Speaker 2: had to learn how to deny myself. And I became

598
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Speaker 2: a servant at that point. I became a servant. And

599
00:24:21,975 --> 00:24:23,704
Speaker 2: so then we taught our kids about, we've raised our

600
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Speaker 2: children in that. My wife and I became full-on pastors.

601
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Speaker 2: We're pastors now.

602
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Speaker 1: I did not know that.

603
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Speaker 2: We have our own church in Woodland Hills called New

604
00:24:30,645 --> 00:24:33,944
Speaker 2: Branch Family Fellowship. Jesus says in John 15, five, I'm

605
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Speaker 2: the vine, you're the branches. If you abide in me,

606
00:24:36,034 --> 00:24:38,114
Speaker 2: you're going to bear much fruit. But without me, you

607
00:24:38,155 --> 00:24:41,675
Speaker 2: can do nothing. So I thought, man, we have to

608
00:24:41,715 --> 00:24:45,415
Speaker 2: teach this. Because when COVID happened, We'd already been having

609
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Speaker 2: our own Bible study. And then all the churches in

610
00:24:47,754 --> 00:24:50,435
Speaker 2: LA were shutting down. So the Lord told us really

611
00:24:50,455 --> 00:24:52,435
Speaker 2: in our hearts to go out to a park near

612
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Speaker 2: our home and just set up lawn chairs under a tree.

613
00:24:55,465 --> 00:24:57,304
Speaker 2: So we started preaching under a tree and we've been

614
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Speaker 2: doing that for six years now.

615
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Speaker 1: That's neat.

616
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Speaker 2: So when you come to New Branch, we were called

617
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Speaker 2: Church in the Park for a long time. Now we're

618
00:25:02,945 --> 00:25:05,004
Speaker 2: called New Branch. The Lord gave me that name. And

619
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Speaker 2: so we're still in the park every Sunday in Woodland Hills.

620
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Speaker 1: That's cool. I didn't know that. Have you ever tried

621
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Speaker 1: using your art as you preach? Like, Oh, all the time.

622
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Speaker 2: The other night, we have a whiteboard in my office.

623
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Speaker 1: Yes.

624
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Speaker 2: And every time, we just told the story of Esther

625
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Speaker 2: the other night. And I was drawing Haman, and I

626
00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:21,664
Speaker 2: drew Esther.

627
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Speaker 1: How cool.

628
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Speaker 2: And I drew the king.

629
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Speaker 1: I bet they love that. I bet the adults love

630
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Speaker 1: it as much as the kids.

631
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Speaker 2: People are taking photos because they take it home and

632
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Speaker 2: they look at the drawing because I'm bringing it to life.

633
00:25:30,004 --> 00:25:31,585
Speaker 2: And the Lord told me to do that, too. So

634
00:25:31,604 --> 00:25:33,844
Speaker 2: I start drawing the stuff. And so I was like, okay,

635
00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:37,335
Speaker 2: here's Esther. And here's Haman. And here's Mordecai. And here's

636
00:25:37,375 --> 00:25:40,875
Speaker 2: the gallows that Haman built for Mordecai. But I said

637
00:25:40,895 --> 00:25:44,834
Speaker 2: the gallows basically symbolize offense because Haman had offense in

638
00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:47,154
Speaker 2: his heart against Mordecai. So don't get hung up on

639
00:25:47,175 --> 00:25:48,895
Speaker 2: the gallows of your own offense and all that type

640
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Speaker 2: of stuff. But it was really a blessing that the

641
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Speaker 2: Lord told me to do that.

642
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Speaker 1: There's something with art and illustration that just kind of

643
00:25:55,804 --> 00:25:57,544
Speaker 1: gets in your brain in a different way.

644
00:25:57,584 --> 00:25:58,465
Speaker 2: It absolutely does.

645
00:25:58,725 --> 00:25:59,044
Speaker 1: It does.

646
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:02,084
Speaker 2: Because a picture's worth a thousand words. And they say

647
00:26:02,104 --> 00:26:02,665
Speaker 2: that all the time.

648
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Speaker 1: So now you are working on a Christian series. You've

649
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Speaker 1: had great mainstream success with all of your shows that

650
00:26:12,014 --> 00:26:15,435
Speaker 1: have all done really amazingly well, going on for seasons

651
00:26:15,514 --> 00:26:18,114
Speaker 1: and seasons, which is not an easy thing to do.

652
00:26:18,554 --> 00:26:18,734
Speaker 2: No.

653
00:26:18,814 --> 00:26:21,585
Speaker 1: But now you're doing something that we would, what would

654
00:26:21,604 --> 00:26:24,584
Speaker 1: we call what you're doing now? Like inspirational? Would you

655
00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:28,525
Speaker 1: call it overtly Christian? What is it you're doing with

656
00:26:28,564 --> 00:26:31,105
Speaker 1: The Garden now? And who is it for? And where

657
00:26:31,125 --> 00:26:31,664
Speaker 1: can we see it?

658
00:26:31,865 --> 00:26:34,824
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. We started our own studio in 2018

659
00:26:34,824 --> 00:26:35,685
Speaker 2: when I left Nickelodeon.

660
00:26:35,764 --> 00:26:36,084
Speaker 1: Okay.

661
00:26:36,445 --> 00:26:39,124
Speaker 2: And it's called Butch Hartman Studios. They needed a guy

662
00:26:39,145 --> 00:26:43,905
Speaker 2: named Butch Hartman. I auditioned and I got the job. No,

663
00:26:43,965 --> 00:26:46,794
Speaker 2: but our first cartoon, I've been developing this Christian cartoon

664
00:26:47,175 --> 00:26:50,455
Speaker 2: since like 2005. I didn't leave Nickelodeon until 2018. But

665
00:26:50,554 --> 00:26:52,314
Speaker 2: I knew nobody would make a Christian cartoon. I'd have

666
00:26:52,334 --> 00:26:54,454
Speaker 2: to make it myself. So my wife and I self-funded

667
00:26:54,494 --> 00:26:57,674
Speaker 2: a couple episodes on our own. And it's called The

668
00:26:57,734 --> 00:27:01,374
Speaker 2: Garden Cartoons. And then we actually got some investment for it.

669
00:27:01,415 --> 00:27:04,435
Speaker 2: And now we have 20 half hours. It's on Angel Studios.

670
00:27:05,054 --> 00:27:07,214
Speaker 2: You can see it on Right Now Media. You can

671
00:27:07,254 --> 00:27:09,554
Speaker 2: see it. It's going to be on the YouVersion app

672
00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:11,254
Speaker 2: very soon. We're excited about that.

673
00:27:11,534 --> 00:27:13,234
Speaker 1: Well, I would love to put it in our platform.

674
00:27:13,254 --> 00:27:14,375
Speaker 1: We can talk about that later.

675
00:27:14,395 --> 00:27:16,514
Speaker 2: I would love that. Yeah. But the Garden Cartoon, we

676
00:27:16,534 --> 00:27:19,475
Speaker 2: have a Garden app that's absolutely free on the iPhone

677
00:27:19,534 --> 00:27:22,794
Speaker 2: and Android. But Garden stars Lenny the Lion and Lucy

678
00:27:22,834 --> 00:27:24,615
Speaker 2: the Lamb. They both represent each side of the Lord,

679
00:27:24,655 --> 00:27:28,585
Speaker 2: Lion and Lamb. And Lenny's a guy. Lucy's a girl.

680
00:27:29,084 --> 00:27:31,185
Speaker 2: And they live in a garden where anything can grow.

681
00:27:31,445 --> 00:27:34,405
Speaker 2: And the boss, God, comes down as a rainbow, talks

682
00:27:34,425 --> 00:27:36,684
Speaker 2: to them every day, and gives them a task. And

683
00:27:36,725 --> 00:27:39,034
Speaker 2: sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. But it's

684
00:27:39,054 --> 00:27:41,394
Speaker 2: through a scripture or an original song. Every episode has

685
00:27:41,455 --> 00:27:41,794
Speaker 2: a song.

686
00:27:42,354 --> 00:27:43,175
Speaker 1: Do you write the songs?

687
00:27:43,294 --> 00:27:44,114
Speaker 2: I wrote all the songs.

688
00:27:44,554 --> 00:27:45,875
Speaker 1: So you're a musician as well?

689
00:27:45,955 --> 00:27:49,254
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you play guitar, piano, both? I play guitar

690
00:27:49,274 --> 00:27:50,654
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I'm more of a lyricist. I

691
00:27:50,675 --> 00:27:52,914
Speaker 2: write the lyrics. I have some great composers who I've

692
00:27:52,955 --> 00:27:55,554
Speaker 2: worked with. Because what I'll do is I'll write the lyrics,

693
00:27:55,594 --> 00:27:57,344
Speaker 2: and I'll go on my iPhone, and I'll do a

694
00:27:57,865 --> 00:28:01,905
Speaker 2: voice memo. It goes like, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. And then they'll turn

695
00:28:01,925 --> 00:28:04,764
Speaker 2: it into actual music. And then we work through it together.

696
00:28:05,244 --> 00:28:08,725
Speaker 2: But I grew up watching Schoolhouse Rock. Oh, yeah. I'm

697
00:28:08,784 --> 00:28:11,445
Speaker 2: just a Bill, Conjunction Junction, all those things. That really

698
00:28:11,484 --> 00:28:13,124
Speaker 2: taught me a lot. Yeah. I thought, if I could

699
00:28:13,145 --> 00:28:16,074
Speaker 2: have a song like that in every episode of Scripture,

700
00:28:16,625 --> 00:28:19,095
Speaker 2: kids can learn the Scripture. We have one song, this

701
00:28:19,195 --> 00:28:22,014
Speaker 2: pirate character pulls up. He's a crocodile named Captain Snappy.

702
00:28:22,415 --> 00:28:24,154
Speaker 2: And he wants to find treasure. And so Lenny and

703
00:28:24,175 --> 00:28:26,374
Speaker 2: Lucy help him find the treasure. But he wants all

704
00:28:26,415 --> 00:28:28,084
Speaker 2: the treasure at the end when they finally find it.

705
00:28:28,435 --> 00:28:30,254
Speaker 2: And they're like, you need to share this treasure with everybody.

706
00:28:30,294 --> 00:28:31,754
Speaker 2: He's like, I want all the treasure. So they talk

707
00:28:31,794 --> 00:28:34,744
Speaker 2: about Luke 638. If you want to be my first mate,

708
00:28:34,895 --> 00:28:36,715
Speaker 2: go read Luke 638.

709
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:37,475
Speaker 1: It's all about giving.

710
00:28:37,524 --> 00:28:40,545
Speaker 2: And that's pretty great. So we talk about how giving

711
00:28:40,965 --> 00:28:42,904
Speaker 2: is a great thing. And so the pirate at the

712
00:28:42,965 --> 00:28:45,025
Speaker 2: end learns how to give. And so that's the story

713
00:28:45,065 --> 00:28:45,384
Speaker 2: of that one.

714
00:28:45,425 --> 00:28:48,565
Speaker 1: How different from our culture today. That's the exact opposite

715
00:28:48,584 --> 00:28:52,255
Speaker 1: of the message. Everyone's, you know, talking about love yourself,

716
00:28:52,395 --> 00:28:56,795
Speaker 1: find yourself. And yet Jesus says, if you want to

717
00:28:56,854 --> 00:29:00,495
Speaker 1: find yourself, in effect, lose yourself, and you discover that

718
00:29:00,535 --> 00:29:03,135
Speaker 1: God's plan for you is better than your plan for yourself.

719
00:29:03,285 --> 00:29:06,545
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because studies have been done and they

720
00:29:06,584 --> 00:29:09,844
Speaker 1: have found that there's something they actually call a helper's high.

721
00:29:10,225 --> 00:29:13,245
Speaker 1: There's a release of endorphins when you do things for

722
00:29:13,344 --> 00:29:13,965
Speaker 1: other people.

723
00:29:13,985 --> 00:29:14,445
Speaker 2: How about that?

724
00:29:14,485 --> 00:29:16,065
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like the Bible had it right in

725
00:29:16,084 --> 00:29:19,055
Speaker 1: the first place, right? Because He told us Jesus said

726
00:29:19,175 --> 00:29:23,175
Speaker 1: it's more blessed or happy-making, you could say, to give

727
00:29:23,215 --> 00:29:26,365
Speaker 1: than it is to receive. But that's so counterintuitive to

728
00:29:26,395 --> 00:29:29,485
Speaker 1: the cultural cues we're getting today. So I love that

729
00:29:29,525 --> 00:29:32,565
Speaker 1: in the world of animation and cartoons. Do you think

730
00:29:32,625 --> 00:29:36,725
Speaker 1: that Nickelodeon would ever run a show like The Gardener

731
00:29:36,725 --> 00:29:40,285
Speaker 1: or something like that? No. Because there's an audience for it, though.

732
00:29:40,275 --> 00:29:40,854
Speaker 2: Isn't there?

733
00:29:40,854 --> 00:29:41,305
Speaker 1: There is.

734
00:29:41,305 --> 00:29:43,995
Speaker 2: But you know a lot of uh bigger studios they

735
00:29:44,155 --> 00:29:46,075
Speaker 2: uh want to kind of be down the middle uh

736
00:29:46,235 --> 00:29:48,745
Speaker 2: or they say they do anyway but they they don't

737
00:29:48,785 --> 00:29:51,285
Speaker 2: want to do anything they'll call religious now if you're

738
00:29:51,305 --> 00:29:53,505
Speaker 2: a real christian you'll know that you know christianity is

739
00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:55,525
Speaker 2: not about religion it's about the relationship with the lord

740
00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:57,945
Speaker 2: yes but no one wants to take time to learn

741
00:29:57,965 --> 00:30:01,084
Speaker 2: that or understand that and so Well, you know, our job,

742
00:30:01,135 --> 00:30:02,745
Speaker 2: and I knew when I was making The Garden, I'd

743
00:30:02,765 --> 00:30:04,124
Speaker 2: have to do it by myself. I can't have a

744
00:30:04,145 --> 00:30:05,745
Speaker 2: studio behind me. I had to start my own studio.

745
00:30:06,265 --> 00:30:08,704
Speaker 2: So now we're making, we have 20 more pilots we're

746
00:30:08,725 --> 00:30:11,305
Speaker 2: making at my studio right now. Some are straight up Christian.

747
00:30:11,745 --> 00:30:14,165
Speaker 2: Some are just family. But the main thing is, whatever

748
00:30:14,205 --> 00:30:17,664
Speaker 2: goes on that screen, whatever I'm responsible for, parents don't

749
00:30:17,685 --> 00:30:19,825
Speaker 2: have to freak out about it. Parents can enjoy it.

750
00:30:19,885 --> 00:30:22,695
Speaker 1: They can trust it if Butch Hartman's name is on it.

751
00:30:22,825 --> 00:30:23,144
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

752
00:30:23,165 --> 00:30:27,045
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect. That was true of Disney. Oh, Disney,

753
00:30:27,084 --> 00:30:28,805
Speaker 1: it's good. But it's different now.

754
00:30:29,485 --> 00:30:32,075
Speaker 2: Very different. I mean, there are challenges everywhere. And, you know,

755
00:30:32,094 --> 00:30:35,394
Speaker 2: I can't really comics. I don't run Disney Studios. But

756
00:30:35,415 --> 00:30:37,455
Speaker 2: all I know is this. I want to put stuff

757
00:30:37,555 --> 00:30:39,475
Speaker 2: out there that I can be proud of, that I

758
00:30:39,515 --> 00:30:41,695
Speaker 2: can go like, look, at least when I leave this earth,

759
00:30:41,975 --> 00:30:44,735
Speaker 2: I left people with something. Hopefully they'll grow from right

760
00:30:45,015 --> 00:30:46,975
Speaker 2: and learn how to be a servant, learn how to

761
00:30:46,995 --> 00:30:49,285
Speaker 2: be someone who can help learn how that it's not

762
00:30:49,325 --> 00:30:51,844
Speaker 2: all about you. I was watching your Alice Cooper interview.

763
00:30:51,865 --> 00:30:54,465
Speaker 2: He said something really great. And it's true. People in

764
00:30:54,505 --> 00:30:56,565
Speaker 2: Hollywood in the industry, they want to be their own God.

765
00:30:57,025 --> 00:30:59,965
Speaker 2: Everybody does. And then that's why Christianity is so huge

766
00:30:59,995 --> 00:31:03,055
Speaker 2: because you have to lay yourself down and lift him up.

767
00:31:03,535 --> 00:31:06,175
Speaker 2: And then you might have to listen to Jesus and

768
00:31:06,195 --> 00:31:08,435
Speaker 2: people don't want to do that. And it's unfair in

769
00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,415
Speaker 2: a way the way the world raises us because we're

770
00:31:10,455 --> 00:31:13,894
Speaker 2: raised to be protective. We're raised to protect ourselves and

771
00:31:14,125 --> 00:31:17,405
Speaker 2: trust only ourselves. And it's sort of a stacked deck

772
00:31:17,445 --> 00:31:19,125
Speaker 2: in a way. And then you have to lay that

773
00:31:19,185 --> 00:31:21,405
Speaker 2: down is a very big deal. I always tell people

774
00:31:21,425 --> 00:31:24,114
Speaker 2: that our church, you can't become a Christian accidentally. It's

775
00:31:24,135 --> 00:31:26,055
Speaker 2: a choice. You're not adopted accidentally.

776
00:31:26,315 --> 00:31:26,675
Speaker 1: It's true.

777
00:31:26,834 --> 00:31:27,675
Speaker 2: There's a process.

778
00:31:27,815 --> 00:31:31,825
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned that an organization like Nickelodeon or others, oh,

779
00:31:31,844 --> 00:31:35,225
Speaker 1: we don't want religion in our cartoons or in our programming.

780
00:31:35,505 --> 00:31:37,865
Speaker 1: Give me a break. There's religion in everything. It's just

781
00:31:37,945 --> 00:31:39,165
Speaker 1: a different religion. Absolutely.

782
00:31:39,185 --> 00:31:40,145
Speaker 2: Whatever you worship, exactly.

783
00:31:40,165 --> 00:31:43,505
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a man-centered religion or it's woke ideology or

784
00:31:43,525 --> 00:31:48,364
Speaker 1: they're presenting trans characters or gay characters. Well, that's a

785
00:31:48,405 --> 00:31:51,985
Speaker 1: belief system, okay, that is coming through now. And yet,

786
00:31:52,465 --> 00:31:54,685
Speaker 1: But we don't want your belief system when, you know,

787
00:31:55,344 --> 00:31:58,785
Speaker 1: millions and millions of people around the world, and Americans,

788
00:31:58,844 --> 00:32:01,725
Speaker 1: of course, identify as Christians. You think just on a

789
00:32:01,785 --> 00:32:05,605
Speaker 1: financial basis alone. They'd say, this is an audience. Let's

790
00:32:05,685 --> 00:32:08,525
Speaker 1: market to them. I do see some breakthroughs, though, with

791
00:32:08,604 --> 00:32:13,825
Speaker 1: organizations like Amazon. My friend John Irwin, who directed Jesus Revolution,

792
00:32:14,185 --> 00:32:17,644
Speaker 1: has a series that Amazon has funded called House of David.

793
00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:21,725
Speaker 1: And it's really telling the Bible stories about And so

794
00:32:21,765 --> 00:32:24,805
Speaker 1: I do see that there's some doors are opening up.

795
00:32:24,905 --> 00:32:28,644
Speaker 1: And that's so important because, you know, one idea I

796
00:32:28,844 --> 00:32:30,805
Speaker 1: came up with a while ago was I want to

797
00:32:30,844 --> 00:32:35,705
Speaker 1: reach unexpected people in unexpected places with an unexpected message.

798
00:32:36,165 --> 00:32:38,594
Speaker 1: By that, I mean, I'd like to sneak up on people,

799
00:32:38,655 --> 00:32:41,295
Speaker 1: not in a misleading way, but just kind of enter

800
00:32:41,354 --> 00:32:44,674
Speaker 1: their world. Not everyone's going to darken the doorway. of

801
00:32:44,815 --> 00:32:47,515
Speaker 1: our church. But if I could reach them, oh, maybe

802
00:32:47,535 --> 00:32:50,555
Speaker 1: in a movie theater through Jesus Revolution, or maybe on

803
00:32:50,615 --> 00:32:53,394
Speaker 1: radio or TV or some other way, I want to

804
00:32:53,435 --> 00:32:56,135
Speaker 1: do that because, you know, Jesus told us to go

805
00:32:56,395 --> 00:32:59,045
Speaker 1: into all the world and preach the gospel. He didn't

806
00:32:59,084 --> 00:33:01,765
Speaker 1: say the whole world should go to church, but he

807
00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,925
Speaker 1: did say the church should go to the whole world.

808
00:33:04,084 --> 00:33:05,884
Speaker 2: He didn't say build a building and sit there and

809
00:33:05,905 --> 00:33:06,625
Speaker 2: let them come to you.

810
00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:07,885
Speaker 1: He didn't say that, did he? No, he didn't.

811
00:33:08,604 --> 00:33:12,424
Speaker 2: And what I think is awesome, too, it's it's us

812
00:33:12,565 --> 00:33:15,684
Speaker 2: becoming vessels for him. You know, whether it's, because like

813
00:33:15,705 --> 00:33:18,165
Speaker 2: you said, there's a million kids that won't go into

814
00:33:18,205 --> 00:33:19,925
Speaker 2: a church ever in their life, but they will watch

815
00:33:19,985 --> 00:33:22,405
Speaker 2: an iPhone and they'll watch a screen. So what can

816
00:33:22,425 --> 00:33:24,795
Speaker 2: I put on that screen to at least tell them

817
00:33:24,815 --> 00:33:26,954
Speaker 2: that there's hope for them out there? And by the way,

818
00:33:27,354 --> 00:33:29,725
Speaker 2: when I do the garden thing, The garden has scripture

819
00:33:29,765 --> 00:33:32,184
Speaker 2: in it, but it's funny too. I mean, the thing is,

820
00:33:32,465 --> 00:33:34,525
Speaker 2: we start with funny and entertaining.

821
00:33:34,545 --> 00:33:35,005
Speaker 1: I like that.

822
00:33:35,285 --> 00:33:36,865
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's a message in there too.

823
00:33:37,045 --> 00:33:38,834
Speaker 2: Because kids aren't going to watch it if it's preachy.

824
00:33:38,854 --> 00:33:41,475
Speaker 2: They're not going to. But I get parents going, I

825
00:33:41,515 --> 00:33:43,475
Speaker 2: like it more than my kids do. So I love

826
00:33:43,515 --> 00:33:45,874
Speaker 2: that because you're reaching the parents too. And if the

827
00:33:45,915 --> 00:33:47,895
Speaker 2: parents like it, they're the ones, if you really think

828
00:33:47,935 --> 00:33:49,495
Speaker 2: about it, the parents are the audience because they're going

829
00:33:49,515 --> 00:33:51,415
Speaker 2: to allow their child to watch it anyway, right? So

830
00:33:51,795 --> 00:33:53,955
Speaker 2: we want to speak to the parents and the kids.

831
00:33:54,395 --> 00:33:57,485
Speaker 2: And I try and look at our stuff as the

832
00:33:57,525 --> 00:34:01,354
Speaker 2: whole entertainment... world is a giant refrigerator. It's full of

833
00:34:01,395 --> 00:34:04,575
Speaker 2: junk food, but we're the apple. We're the grapes. We're

834
00:34:04,594 --> 00:34:07,765
Speaker 2: the healthy option. We're still in the fridge, but we're

835
00:34:07,785 --> 00:34:08,455
Speaker 2: the healthy option.

836
00:34:08,475 --> 00:34:11,705
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. So there's a lot going on in

837
00:34:11,725 --> 00:34:16,745
Speaker 1: the world of technology right now, and artificial intelligence is

838
00:34:16,805 --> 00:34:22,205
Speaker 1: affecting everything. My friend John Irwin, who is working on

839
00:34:22,225 --> 00:34:26,345
Speaker 1: the House of David, used AI quite effectively. And the

840
00:34:26,405 --> 00:34:28,725
Speaker 1: problem with AI is A lot of times you can

841
00:34:28,805 --> 00:34:32,705
Speaker 1: tell that's very AI, but if it's done right in

842
00:34:32,725 --> 00:34:36,165
Speaker 1: the right moments, it can be a tool. Are you

843
00:34:36,385 --> 00:34:39,364
Speaker 1: using AI in any of your animation at this point?

844
00:34:39,405 --> 00:34:41,094
Speaker 1: And what do you think about it? And what are

845
00:34:41,415 --> 00:34:44,275
Speaker 1: maybe some of the problems or challenges with it or

846
00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:47,495
Speaker 1: some of the advantages it could bring to, because you

847
00:34:47,535 --> 00:34:49,594
Speaker 1: mentioned how you can do things more quickly when you

848
00:34:49,615 --> 00:34:52,694
Speaker 1: switch from paper to a digital tablet, there are certain

849
00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:56,675
Speaker 1: things you can do more quickly, hopefully not sacrificing quality,

850
00:34:57,275 --> 00:35:00,035
Speaker 1: Perhaps with AI that you couldn't have done before. What

851
00:35:00,055 --> 00:35:01,015
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about that?

852
00:35:01,055 --> 00:35:03,925
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. We don't use any AI right now.

853
00:35:04,425 --> 00:35:08,005
Speaker 2: Right now, we just, I'm very traditional in many ways.

854
00:35:08,865 --> 00:35:11,625
Speaker 2: People think that with AI, you're going to suddenly unemploy

855
00:35:11,685 --> 00:35:15,005
Speaker 2: everybody and machines lose to everything, which is untrue. We

856
00:35:15,045 --> 00:35:17,345
Speaker 2: don't use it right now, but it's going to get

857
00:35:17,385 --> 00:35:19,005
Speaker 2: to a point where I think it's going to be

858
00:35:19,065 --> 00:35:21,125
Speaker 2: in everything that we do. I don't know how any

859
00:35:21,145 --> 00:35:24,875
Speaker 2: of us can kind of avoid it as it's going along. Now,

860
00:35:24,895 --> 00:35:27,625
Speaker 2: when I say that, I do say that I can

861
00:35:27,705 --> 00:35:31,365
Speaker 2: imagine in the future a studio where certain parts are

862
00:35:31,385 --> 00:35:34,065
Speaker 2: done with AI because it does save time. It does

863
00:35:34,105 --> 00:35:35,845
Speaker 2: save money too, but I'm not saying I'm going to

864
00:35:35,885 --> 00:35:37,645
Speaker 2: do it right away or even if I ever will.

865
00:35:37,705 --> 00:35:40,305
Speaker 2: But if people want to do it, that's up to them.

866
00:35:40,325 --> 00:35:41,845
Speaker 2: I look at it this way. I'm old enough to

867
00:35:41,885 --> 00:35:44,385
Speaker 2: have been back in the 90s before the internet existed.

868
00:35:45,085 --> 00:35:48,384
Speaker 2: I thought I'll never– I remember saying this. I'm always

869
00:35:48,405 --> 00:35:50,105
Speaker 2: going to read a newspaper. I'll never look at that

870
00:35:50,125 --> 00:35:52,575
Speaker 2: computer ever. I'm going to always keep my newspaper. And

871
00:35:52,645 --> 00:35:54,335
Speaker 2: slowly but surely, I'd go into work and there would

872
00:35:54,355 --> 00:35:57,325
Speaker 2: be the computer with the news on it. And I

873
00:35:57,345 --> 00:35:59,565
Speaker 2: don't have a newspaper anymore. So it's going to start

874
00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:02,885
Speaker 2: suddenly seeping into our lives. But it's how we control

875
00:36:02,905 --> 00:36:04,985
Speaker 2: it and how we utilize it for the best. I

876
00:36:05,025 --> 00:36:07,025
Speaker 2: want to employ as many people as possible. That's what

877
00:36:07,045 --> 00:36:09,105
Speaker 2: I want to do. And make sure artists have jobs,

878
00:36:09,365 --> 00:36:12,425
Speaker 2: voice actors have jobs, all that stuff. Now, if there's

879
00:36:12,465 --> 00:36:15,225
Speaker 2: a way to save money, every producer wants to do that.

880
00:36:15,905 --> 00:36:17,225
Speaker 2: I just had a project I was going to do.

881
00:36:18,075 --> 00:36:21,695
Speaker 2: And I asked an animation studio, another animation studio, I

882
00:36:21,735 --> 00:36:24,095
Speaker 2: want this many episodes. How much will it cost? And

883
00:36:24,115 --> 00:36:28,505
Speaker 2: they quoted me $ 300, 000. I actually talked to this AI studio.

884
00:36:28,985 --> 00:36:30,725
Speaker 2: How much would you guys charge me for the same work?

885
00:36:30,825 --> 00:36:34,825
Speaker 2: We'll charge you $ 30, 000. Whoa. So you have to go, well.

886
00:36:36,245 --> 00:36:39,195
Speaker 2: So when it comes to cost saving, that's kind of

887
00:36:39,295 --> 00:36:43,595
Speaker 2: obvious sometimes. However, I'm still very traditional. And so I

888
00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:45,895
Speaker 2: like doing things the traditional way. And we'll see what

889
00:36:45,915 --> 00:36:47,495
Speaker 2: the future has to hold for us.

890
00:36:48,235 --> 00:36:49,915
Speaker 1: Voice acting is very important.

891
00:36:49,935 --> 00:36:52,435
Speaker 2: Oh, big time. It's got the human heart in it.

892
00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:55,055
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you've done some of that yourself, haven't you?

893
00:36:55,075 --> 00:36:55,555
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit.

894
00:36:55,775 --> 00:36:58,154
Speaker 1: Like do you do it for your own cartoons? Yep.

895
00:36:58,415 --> 00:37:00,135
Speaker 1: Like who, what characters do you voice?

896
00:37:00,295 --> 00:37:02,495
Speaker 2: Well, I would do side, I would do side characters.

897
00:37:02,675 --> 00:37:04,755
Speaker 2: I did a character who was kind of just like

898
00:37:04,815 --> 00:37:06,915
Speaker 2: my voice. We did a character on Fairly Oddparents called Dr.

899
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,795
Speaker 2: Rip Studwell. He was a fairy doctor. He was a

900
00:37:08,815 --> 00:37:11,035
Speaker 2: handsome fairy doctor. Even though he was a doctor, he

901
00:37:11,055 --> 00:37:13,265
Speaker 2: was actually a soap opera doctor that wasn't really a doctor.

902
00:37:13,285 --> 00:37:15,444
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not really a doctor, but I play

903
00:37:15,505 --> 00:37:17,745
Speaker 2: one on TV, you know, that kind of thing. It's like, oh,

904
00:37:17,805 --> 00:37:18,485
Speaker 2: this is terrible.

905
00:37:19,075 --> 00:37:19,915
Speaker 1: What's the matter, doctor?

906
00:37:20,095 --> 00:37:22,895
Speaker 2: My headshots came out horribly. You know, that type of thing.

907
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:24,875
Speaker 2: But I can do, I do things like, I could

908
00:37:24,895 --> 00:37:27,645
Speaker 2: do like a Homer Simpson voice and things like that. Marge,

909
00:37:27,725 --> 00:37:29,765
Speaker 2: I can't, but I have three kids and no money.

910
00:37:30,105 --> 00:37:32,105
Speaker 2: Why can't I have no kids and three money? You know,

911
00:37:32,145 --> 00:37:34,205
Speaker 2: things like that. So I can hop in and do

912
00:37:34,245 --> 00:37:36,445
Speaker 2: a voice on occasion. And I would always imitate my,

913
00:37:36,785 --> 00:37:38,825
Speaker 2: I'd have the voice actors in the room, these amazing

914
00:37:38,915 --> 00:37:41,275
Speaker 2: actors that I have. And we would just banter back

915
00:37:41,315 --> 00:37:43,235
Speaker 2: and forth with voices. I would do voices. They would

916
00:37:43,255 --> 00:37:44,475
Speaker 2: do voices. So it was a lot of fun.

917
00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:44,675
Speaker 1: Yeah.

918
00:37:45,015 --> 00:37:47,815
Speaker 2: But these actors I would hire, are just dynamite. They

919
00:37:47,835 --> 00:37:50,185
Speaker 2: can do 30 voices each. They can sing in character.

920
00:37:50,265 --> 00:37:53,425
Speaker 2: And they're writers. They have writers' minds, too. My one

921
00:37:53,465 --> 00:37:55,285
Speaker 2: rule on my show was, look, we've worked four weeks

922
00:37:55,365 --> 00:37:59,005
Speaker 2: on this script. Don't change the script. Unless you can

923
00:37:59,025 --> 00:38:00,885
Speaker 2: make it better. If you can add to it and

924
00:38:00,925 --> 00:38:03,625
Speaker 2: make it better, go right ahead. But don't just start

925
00:38:03,685 --> 00:38:05,665
Speaker 2: changing stuff because you have a different idea. Because we

926
00:38:05,705 --> 00:38:08,625
Speaker 2: know what we want. But our actors on our shows

927
00:38:08,645 --> 00:38:09,495
Speaker 2: were just fantastic.

928
00:38:10,075 --> 00:38:13,215
Speaker 1: Like, if you had to list maybe your five favorite movies,

929
00:38:13,335 --> 00:38:16,245
Speaker 1: and I define a favorite movie as If I'm watching

930
00:38:16,305 --> 00:38:18,825
Speaker 1: television and my favorite movie comes on, even though I

931
00:38:18,845 --> 00:38:21,845
Speaker 1: may actually own that movie, I'll stay and watch it

932
00:38:21,865 --> 00:38:24,665
Speaker 1: until the commercial comes. Yeah. Because I just love all

933
00:38:24,725 --> 00:38:26,785
Speaker 1: those scenes from the movie. Oh, sure. Do you have

934
00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:29,145
Speaker 1: like five movies? These are like movies I'd love to

935
00:38:29,185 --> 00:38:29,705
Speaker 1: go back to.

936
00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:33,045
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. I'd probably say the first Star Wars

937
00:38:33,085 --> 00:38:37,245
Speaker 2: movie from 1977, that one. Superman, Christopher Reeve. Oh, wow.

938
00:38:37,265 --> 00:38:37,765
Speaker 1: Love that.

939
00:38:37,865 --> 00:38:40,385
Speaker 2: And I love Back to the Future. Wow. Love that.

940
00:38:40,645 --> 00:38:42,565
Speaker 2: I really love The Matrix.

941
00:38:42,585 --> 00:38:43,245
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.

942
00:38:43,345 --> 00:38:45,765
Speaker 2: Remember the movie The Matrix, which was very eye-opening. What

943
00:38:45,805 --> 00:38:48,065
Speaker 2: would be my fifth one? I think Raiders of the

944
00:38:48,105 --> 00:38:50,015
Speaker 2: Lost Ark. I really am a big fan. I mean,

945
00:38:50,055 --> 00:38:52,775
Speaker 2: I'll stop whatever I'm doing to watch those movies. And

946
00:38:52,835 --> 00:38:54,455
Speaker 2: by the way, the list I just gave you, I'd

947
00:38:54,475 --> 00:38:56,055
Speaker 2: have to go over that list again because I'm sure

948
00:38:56,075 --> 00:38:57,535
Speaker 2: there's five other ones I would definitely love.

949
00:38:57,575 --> 00:39:00,505
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think is the greatest animated film

950
00:39:00,645 --> 00:39:01,755
Speaker 1: ever made? Wow.

951
00:39:01,875 --> 00:39:02,515
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

952
00:39:02,535 --> 00:39:04,035
Speaker 1: I have my opinion, but I'll hear yours.

953
00:39:04,095 --> 00:39:06,495
Speaker 2: The greatest animated film ever made. Um, I'm going to

954
00:39:06,535 --> 00:39:10,035
Speaker 2: go back probably traditionally one of the early Disney films. Um,

955
00:39:10,095 --> 00:39:11,915
Speaker 2: because again, keep in mind, he was doing this for

956
00:39:11,935 --> 00:39:13,065
Speaker 2: anybody else was doing this.

957
00:39:13,965 --> 00:39:14,385
Speaker 1: Gosh.

958
00:39:14,465 --> 00:39:16,505
Speaker 2: And people are going to disagree with me out there. Oh,

959
00:39:16,585 --> 00:39:19,285
Speaker 2: just on a personal level, the greatest one. I would

960
00:39:19,305 --> 00:39:21,205
Speaker 2: probably see a lady in the tramp is up there. Wow.

961
00:39:21,565 --> 00:39:24,115
Speaker 2: Lay in the tramp. I had the, I had the rare, uh,

962
00:39:24,245 --> 00:39:27,685
Speaker 2: opportunity when I was an intern, uh, at school, I

963
00:39:27,705 --> 00:39:30,255
Speaker 2: got to go to work at Disney for a month. And, uh,

964
00:39:30,665 --> 00:39:32,205
Speaker 2: I got to go in this place called the morgue,

965
00:39:32,325 --> 00:39:35,115
Speaker 2: which is there where they keep all the old animation. Unbelievable.

966
00:39:35,515 --> 00:39:37,225
Speaker 2: And you can't take anything out of there. And this

967
00:39:37,285 --> 00:39:39,205
Speaker 2: is before phones. You'd never know pictures. You just go

968
00:39:39,245 --> 00:39:41,165
Speaker 2: in and look at all the animation art. So I

969
00:39:41,205 --> 00:39:42,565
Speaker 2: go over to the lady in the tramp drawer and

970
00:39:42,585 --> 00:39:44,605
Speaker 2: I'm pulling all these drawers open and I'm looking at

971
00:39:44,685 --> 00:39:47,345
Speaker 2: animation drawings that are this long. Remember the scene of

972
00:39:47,365 --> 00:39:49,205
Speaker 2: lady in the tramp where he's underneath at the very

973
00:39:49,265 --> 00:39:51,505
Speaker 2: end when tramp is caught, he's in the dog catcher

974
00:39:51,565 --> 00:39:54,365
Speaker 2: cart and they're taking him away and the other dogs

975
00:39:54,405 --> 00:39:57,695
Speaker 2: are running after him. And it's raining and there's horses

976
00:39:57,815 --> 00:40:00,755
Speaker 2: and there's the cart. And I'm looking at all these

977
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:05,265
Speaker 2: drawings drawn by people, no computers. And there's a hundred

978
00:40:05,325 --> 00:40:07,665
Speaker 2: of them and under the cart with the mud splashing

979
00:40:07,705 --> 00:40:09,945
Speaker 2: and these dogs. And you're like, how do people do

980
00:40:09,985 --> 00:40:12,405
Speaker 2: this kind of thing? So to me, that experience I

981
00:40:12,425 --> 00:40:13,844
Speaker 2: had made me think this is one of the greatest

982
00:40:13,965 --> 00:40:16,154
Speaker 2: pieces of animation I've ever seen in my life. So. Again,

983
00:40:16,175 --> 00:40:18,135
Speaker 2: I'm sure people disagree with me, but that's one of

984
00:40:18,195 --> 00:40:19,455
Speaker 2: the greatest animated films.

985
00:40:19,555 --> 00:40:20,675
Speaker 1: I would pick Pinocchio.

986
00:40:21,075 --> 00:40:21,675
Speaker 2: Oh, again.

987
00:40:21,695 --> 00:40:25,895
Speaker 1: Because, you know, he created the genre with Snow White.

988
00:40:26,225 --> 00:40:26,424
Speaker 2: Yeah.

989
00:40:26,485 --> 00:40:28,805
Speaker 1: Did what no one had done before. But there was

990
00:40:28,865 --> 00:40:32,465
Speaker 1: still a Snow White. I felt there was, like, as

991
00:40:32,545 --> 00:40:35,245
Speaker 1: I recall, some of the things in it I thought

992
00:40:35,265 --> 00:40:39,495
Speaker 1: were just kind of old feeling. In Pinocchio, it was

993
00:40:39,515 --> 00:40:44,145
Speaker 1: just completely... thought through the monstro scenes where there's a

994
00:40:44,265 --> 00:40:45,865
Speaker 1: scary movie. It is scary.

995
00:40:45,925 --> 00:40:48,425
Speaker 2: If you watch it now, even as an adult, it's scary. When,

996
00:40:48,485 --> 00:40:51,325
Speaker 2: when the boys turn into donkey, the boys go to

997
00:40:51,365 --> 00:40:56,005
Speaker 2: a place called pleasure Island and they're, they're sinning so much.

998
00:40:56,025 --> 00:40:59,585
Speaker 2: They turn into these donkey. I know it's really terrifying. And,

999
00:40:59,765 --> 00:41:03,355
Speaker 2: and you're like, but again, all hand-drawn all on cells, right?

1000
00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:05,435
Speaker 2: Not only the animation art with pencil, but then they

1001
00:41:05,455 --> 00:41:07,614
Speaker 2: put it on cells with ink. They had a whole,

1002
00:41:08,105 --> 00:41:10,725
Speaker 2: Department of people that would ink on the cells with

1003
00:41:10,745 --> 00:41:13,705
Speaker 2: different colors. Just astounding bits of artwork. And they probably

1004
00:41:13,745 --> 00:41:17,075
Speaker 2: got paid hardly anything back then, too.

1005
00:41:17,115 --> 00:41:19,955
Speaker 1: Tell me if this is true, that because they wanted

1006
00:41:19,975 --> 00:41:22,895
Speaker 1: to reuse the cells, they would, like.

1007
00:41:23,615 --> 00:41:26,305
Speaker 2: Wipe them clean? Yeah, is that true? Can you imagine?

1008
00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,265
Speaker 2: And they would throw them away in the garbage.

1009
00:41:28,445 --> 00:41:30,785
Speaker 1: Like an original cell from Lady and the Tramp or

1010
00:41:30,845 --> 00:41:34,355
Speaker 1: Pinocchio or Snow White. would be worth thousands and thousands

1011
00:41:34,415 --> 00:41:35,715
Speaker 1: of dollars. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.

1012
00:41:35,835 --> 00:41:36,895
Speaker 2: Nobody knew that back then, though.

1013
00:41:37,175 --> 00:41:38,215
Speaker 1: No, they didn't. No, they had no idea.

1014
00:41:38,235 --> 00:41:39,535
Speaker 2: They had no idea there'd be a market for that.

1015
00:41:40,215 --> 00:41:42,395
Speaker 2: Who would want an old cell? They wouldn't want to

1016
00:41:42,435 --> 00:41:44,275
Speaker 2: hang this in their house or something. But again, like

1017
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:48,615
Speaker 2: I just said, the level of artistry on these things done, again,

1018
00:41:48,695 --> 00:41:51,255
Speaker 2: all hand done, which is crazy. Even though we have

1019
00:41:51,275 --> 00:41:53,945
Speaker 2: computers and AI and stuff like that now, nothing's ever

1020
00:41:53,985 --> 00:41:55,125
Speaker 2: going to replace the human heart.

1021
00:41:55,325 --> 00:41:57,805
Speaker 1: That's right. And I think you can do a lot

1022
00:41:57,825 --> 00:42:01,545
Speaker 1: with computers and And there are ways now with AI

1023
00:42:01,565 --> 00:42:03,745
Speaker 1: where you can tell it, create this scene, and I've

1024
00:42:03,765 --> 00:42:07,645
Speaker 1: done it for fun, but it doesn't capture really what

1025
00:42:07,685 --> 00:42:11,455
Speaker 1: I'm after. And like you are saying, you know, we're

1026
00:42:11,475 --> 00:42:13,735
Speaker 1: made in the image of God, and we have the

1027
00:42:13,815 --> 00:42:17,265
Speaker 1: ability to create. Like beavers, they've been building the same

1028
00:42:17,345 --> 00:42:22,364
Speaker 1: dams forever. Nothing's changed. Same old, same old. But we

1029
00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:26,805
Speaker 1: do have this creative ability, which just seems to be— the

1030
00:42:25,845 --> 00:42:30,205
Speaker 1: Bible says in the last days, knowledge would increase. And

1031
00:42:30,245 --> 00:42:35,145
Speaker 1: it really seems like the expansion of human knowledge is

1032
00:42:35,205 --> 00:42:37,645
Speaker 1: happening so rapidly right now.

1033
00:42:37,705 --> 00:42:38,625
Speaker 2: Human arrogance, too.

1034
00:42:39,145 --> 00:42:40,305
Speaker 1: That's very true.

1035
00:42:40,785 --> 00:42:43,945
Speaker 2: And people get— and as you well know as a pastor

1036
00:42:44,025 --> 00:42:45,955
Speaker 2: and a follower of Jesus— you're going to know that

1037
00:42:45,975 --> 00:42:49,364
Speaker 2: people begin, they'll become lovers of themselves. They'll worship themselves.

1038
00:42:49,385 --> 00:42:50,485
Speaker 1: It's a sign of the end times.

1039
00:42:50,665 --> 00:42:54,325
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because it's so easy to

1040
00:42:54,365 --> 00:42:57,485
Speaker 2: fall into the self-worship thing, especially as you get successful

1041
00:42:58,125 --> 00:43:00,364
Speaker 2: doing what you love. And whether you're a rock star,

1042
00:43:00,385 --> 00:43:03,305
Speaker 2: whether you're an artist, whether you're a baseball player, whatever,

1043
00:43:03,325 --> 00:43:06,185
Speaker 2: and people start telling you how much they love what

1044
00:43:06,205 --> 00:43:09,285
Speaker 2: you do, you've got to be very... I praise God

1045
00:43:09,365 --> 00:43:13,905
Speaker 2: that I had my wife, who's an on-fire Christian... And

1046
00:43:14,065 --> 00:43:17,025
Speaker 2: of course, the Lord in my life, because when people

1047
00:43:17,045 --> 00:43:19,285
Speaker 2: start telling you how great your stuff is, it's very

1048
00:43:19,405 --> 00:43:22,265
Speaker 2: easy to start getting to believe your own publicity. But

1049
00:43:22,285 --> 00:43:24,435
Speaker 2: to stay humble, to become a servant, I became a

1050
00:43:24,455 --> 00:43:26,695
Speaker 2: Christian right at the right time. Right when my show

1051
00:43:26,735 --> 00:43:29,255
Speaker 2: started taking off, Jesus came into my life. And I

1052
00:43:29,295 --> 00:43:32,195
Speaker 2: was able to give things to him. I have video

1053
00:43:32,695 --> 00:43:34,935
Speaker 2: from a camcorder of me recording my show. And I

1054
00:43:34,995 --> 00:43:36,844
Speaker 2: first started doing all the papers around my desk, all

1055
00:43:36,865 --> 00:43:39,225
Speaker 2: the drawings, early drawings. And I'm saying on the video,

1056
00:43:39,265 --> 00:43:41,125
Speaker 2: this will be a number one show someday. Kids around

1057
00:43:41,145 --> 00:43:43,605
Speaker 2: the world will watch this show. And love it. And

1058
00:43:43,745 --> 00:43:46,395
Speaker 2: it's going to bless them. And they're going to have

1059
00:43:46,435 --> 00:43:48,395
Speaker 2: an amazing life because of the show. And people have

1060
00:43:48,435 --> 00:43:50,315
Speaker 2: come up and said that to me over and over again.

1061
00:43:50,835 --> 00:43:52,335
Speaker 2: And I don't say this out of arrogance. I say

1062
00:43:52,355 --> 00:43:54,174
Speaker 2: it out of just what the Lord's done with the show.

1063
00:43:54,455 --> 00:43:56,355
Speaker 2: I give Jesus all the credit for what I've done.

1064
00:43:56,655 --> 00:43:58,495
Speaker 2: I don't take any credit at all. Because it's his

1065
00:43:58,575 --> 00:44:01,215
Speaker 2: show at the end of the day. I'm just a steward.

1066
00:44:01,515 --> 00:44:04,715
Speaker 2: My new studio, it says Butch Hartman Studios, but it's

1067
00:44:04,755 --> 00:44:07,895
Speaker 2: his studio. He's the CEO. I just show up for

1068
00:44:07,935 --> 00:44:09,865
Speaker 2: work every day and do what he tells me to do.

1069
00:44:10,425 --> 00:44:13,065
Speaker 1: So if an older butch could talk to a younger butch.

1070
00:44:13,285 --> 00:44:14,065
Speaker 2: I am an older butch.

1071
00:44:14,205 --> 00:44:17,025
Speaker 1: Okay. So as you, if you could talk to a

1072
00:44:17,085 --> 00:44:20,375
Speaker 1: younger you, what advice would you give yourself?

1073
00:44:20,765 --> 00:44:22,375
Speaker 2: I would tell my younger self, and I think about

1074
00:44:22,395 --> 00:44:23,875
Speaker 2: this all the time. I would tell my younger self,

1075
00:44:24,115 --> 00:44:26,335
Speaker 2: do not be afraid. And I'm telling you out there,

1076
00:44:26,955 --> 00:44:29,215
Speaker 2: don't be afraid. What are you waiting for? You have

1077
00:44:29,375 --> 00:44:32,595
Speaker 2: zero excuses to wait. And why? Because if you are

1078
00:44:32,635 --> 00:44:36,295
Speaker 2: following Jesus, he already said, with God, all things are possible.

1079
00:44:36,595 --> 00:44:39,364
Speaker 2: All things are possible. And we start, and My wife

1080
00:44:39,425 --> 00:44:40,825
Speaker 2: and I have been teaching lately, and you're going to

1081
00:44:40,845 --> 00:44:44,965
Speaker 2: love this, on being fully persuaded. Abraham was fully persuaded

1082
00:44:45,005 --> 00:44:46,745
Speaker 2: that God could do what he said he could do.

1083
00:44:47,225 --> 00:44:49,205
Speaker 2: We have to learn how to be fully persuaded. And

1084
00:44:49,265 --> 00:44:52,285
Speaker 2: when I talked about Esther, she was fully persuaded that

1085
00:44:52,325 --> 00:44:54,485
Speaker 2: she was born for such a time as this. You

1086
00:44:54,505 --> 00:44:56,944
Speaker 2: were born for such a time as this. So don't wait.

1087
00:44:57,105 --> 00:44:59,665
Speaker 2: If you're young out there, take the chances now because

1088
00:44:59,685 --> 00:45:01,225
Speaker 2: you're really going to wish you had when you get older.

1089
00:45:01,485 --> 00:45:04,505
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you can learn. Through your setbacks and failures

1090
00:45:04,605 --> 00:45:06,445
Speaker 1: as well. That's part of the process, isn't it?

1091
00:45:06,665 --> 00:45:09,245
Speaker 2: Everybody fails. You're going to fail all the time. And

1092
00:45:09,345 --> 00:45:09,945
Speaker 2: look at Peter.

1093
00:45:09,965 --> 00:45:10,865
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1094
00:45:11,745 --> 00:45:15,225
Speaker 2: Peter is a fantastic example. And Jesus forgave him. He

1095
00:45:15,265 --> 00:45:18,275
Speaker 2: became one of the ultimate leaders of the church, having

1096
00:45:18,295 --> 00:45:21,475
Speaker 2: denied the Lord three times. And I tell you, man,

1097
00:45:22,175 --> 00:45:24,535
Speaker 2: I've probably denied him more than that in my life, right?

1098
00:45:24,915 --> 00:45:27,975
Speaker 2: But praise the Lord. He's a loving, forgiving God. And

1099
00:45:28,015 --> 00:45:30,134
Speaker 2: that's what I love the most about him. Because he

1100
00:45:30,155 --> 00:45:31,475
Speaker 2: took a chance on a guy like me.

1101
00:45:31,765 --> 00:45:36,395
Speaker 1: Yes. What are some go-to scriptures that you look to

1102
00:45:36,475 --> 00:45:40,614
Speaker 1: maybe when you're stressed or uncertain about the future or

1103
00:45:40,795 --> 00:45:43,205
Speaker 1: some other area of your life that maybe you return

1104
00:45:43,225 --> 00:45:45,545
Speaker 1: to certain passages again and again?

1105
00:45:45,665 --> 00:45:48,665
Speaker 2: One is Philippians 4.6, is be anxious for nothing, which

1106
00:45:48,745 --> 00:45:52,285
Speaker 2: I absolutely love. Luke 6.38 says, given it shall be

1107
00:45:52,325 --> 00:45:55,325
Speaker 2: given to you. I love the giving thing. And then

1108
00:45:55,465 --> 00:45:57,575
Speaker 2: trust in the Lord, Proverbs 3.5, trust in the Lord

1109
00:45:57,595 --> 00:46:00,415
Speaker 2: with all your heart. lean not on your own understanding.

1110
00:46:00,455 --> 00:46:02,105
Speaker 2: That's where I get hung up a lot is leaning

1111
00:46:02,145 --> 00:46:04,485
Speaker 2: on my own understanding. As old as I am now,

1112
00:46:04,525 --> 00:46:06,285
Speaker 2: and I'm way older than I used to be, but

1113
00:46:06,525 --> 00:46:10,105
Speaker 2: I still, my understanding is this much when it comes

1114
00:46:10,185 --> 00:46:12,505
Speaker 2: to all the things that God has to offer us.

1115
00:46:13,105 --> 00:46:16,745
Speaker 2: And so my goal now is to at least point

1116
00:46:16,785 --> 00:46:19,695
Speaker 2: people to my Lord and Savior and let them get

1117
00:46:19,715 --> 00:46:20,755
Speaker 2: a chance to make the choice.

1118
00:46:20,915 --> 00:46:22,955
Speaker 1: Well, why don't you do that right now for someone

1119
00:46:22,975 --> 00:46:25,885
Speaker 1: that's watching this and They've heard you talk about how

1120
00:46:25,925 --> 00:46:28,985
Speaker 1: your faith has impacted your life, your marriage, your career.

1121
00:46:29,565 --> 00:46:33,735
Speaker 1: Why should they ask Jesus to be their Lord and Savior?

1122
00:46:33,975 --> 00:46:36,995
Speaker 2: Amen. I think you should at least consider making Jesus

1123
00:46:37,015 --> 00:46:39,015
Speaker 2: your Lord and Savior because you've probably gotten to a

1124
00:46:39,055 --> 00:46:42,275
Speaker 2: place in your life once or multiple times where you realized,

1125
00:46:42,815 --> 00:46:45,445
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. I'm at the lowest point

1126
00:46:45,465 --> 00:46:47,685
Speaker 2: in my life. There's no hope for me. But I'm

1127
00:46:47,705 --> 00:46:49,685
Speaker 2: telling you right now, there is hope for you. You

1128
00:46:49,725 --> 00:46:51,585
Speaker 2: were put here for a reason. You did not show

1129
00:46:51,645 --> 00:46:54,685
Speaker 2: up by accident. Don't ever think you're just one Like

1130
00:46:55,065 --> 00:46:57,955
Speaker 2: we can mass produce these dolls here. You can't mass

1131
00:46:57,975 --> 00:47:00,435
Speaker 2: produce you. There's never going to be another one like you.

1132
00:47:00,555 --> 00:47:03,415
Speaker 2: So you are probably the only chance anyone else has

1133
00:47:03,795 --> 00:47:06,575
Speaker 2: of hearing who Jesus is. So you're here to tell

1134
00:47:06,635 --> 00:47:09,535
Speaker 2: people who Jesus is and he loves you and he

1135
00:47:09,555 --> 00:47:11,865
Speaker 2: wants to see you succeed in whatever you choose to

1136
00:47:11,905 --> 00:47:14,665
Speaker 2: succeed in. So make Jesus Christ the Lord of your

1137
00:47:14,705 --> 00:47:17,305
Speaker 2: life because you know what? He loves you and I'd

1138
00:47:17,345 --> 00:47:20,404
Speaker 2: rather see you do it and give Jesus a try

1139
00:47:20,445 --> 00:47:22,465
Speaker 2: and just see how it works in your life. I

1140
00:47:22,585 --> 00:47:23,265
Speaker 2: think it'd be awesome.

1141
00:47:23,535 --> 00:47:26,605
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when I was a brand new Christian,

1142
00:47:27,565 --> 00:47:30,305
Speaker 1: I prayed a prayer. I didn't really knew what I did,

1143
00:47:30,525 --> 00:47:33,265
Speaker 1: but I prayed sincerely and asked Christ to come into

1144
00:47:33,305 --> 00:47:37,895
Speaker 1: your life. And I was struggling with drugs at that point.

1145
00:47:37,915 --> 00:47:40,755
Speaker 1: I was basically smoking weed. I wasn't like a drug addict,

1146
00:47:40,815 --> 00:47:43,295
Speaker 1: but it was an issue in my life. And I

1147
00:47:43,375 --> 00:47:46,915
Speaker 1: knew I needed to change and not do that any longer.

1148
00:47:47,335 --> 00:47:50,575
Speaker 1: So I just said, God, look, you got to make

1149
00:47:50,615 --> 00:47:53,975
Speaker 1: this real to me. I'm cynical because of my upbringing.

1150
00:47:54,655 --> 00:47:56,215
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to work. I don't

1151
00:47:56,235 --> 00:47:58,915
Speaker 1: know if I'm the religious type. I didn't. But if

1152
00:47:58,955 --> 00:48:01,715
Speaker 1: you're real, just make yourself real to me. And God

1153
00:48:01,835 --> 00:48:05,535
Speaker 1: entered my world, right? Just like he entered your world.

1154
00:48:05,615 --> 00:48:08,335
Speaker 1: And then he enters the world of an academic. And

1155
00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:11,115
Speaker 1: then he enters the world of a small child. And

1156
00:48:11,155 --> 00:48:14,195
Speaker 1: he enters the world of whoever. You know, he has

1157
00:48:14,295 --> 00:48:17,415
Speaker 1: a way of just coming into our world and making

1158
00:48:17,475 --> 00:48:20,575
Speaker 1: himself real to us in a way that we understand. Amen. Amen.

1159
00:48:21,135 --> 00:48:22,975
Speaker 2: And see, the one thing too is that when you

1160
00:48:23,015 --> 00:48:26,435
Speaker 2: do accept Christ into your heart, he's going to come

1161
00:48:26,495 --> 00:48:29,545
Speaker 2: in very, he'll come in very gently, but he will

1162
00:48:29,585 --> 00:48:32,905
Speaker 2: start telling you the truth. And people that need the

1163
00:48:32,965 --> 00:48:35,265
Speaker 2: truth sometimes don't want to hear the truth. I needed

1164
00:48:35,285 --> 00:48:36,885
Speaker 2: the truth in my life. I needed to hear the

1165
00:48:36,925 --> 00:48:39,645
Speaker 2: truth about who I was and that I needed to

1166
00:48:39,685 --> 00:48:41,864
Speaker 2: be a servant instead of just someone who was trying

1167
00:48:41,885 --> 00:48:43,545
Speaker 2: to survive on a day-to-day basis.

1168
00:48:43,585 --> 00:48:44,065
Speaker 1: I love that.

1169
00:48:44,125 --> 00:48:46,975
Speaker 2: Working under my own strength. It was exhausting working under

1170
00:48:46,995 --> 00:48:47,515
Speaker 2: your own strength.

1171
00:48:47,535 --> 00:48:47,645
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1172
00:48:48,425 --> 00:48:50,325
Speaker 2: And there's been many times in my life now, especially

1173
00:48:50,345 --> 00:48:53,905
Speaker 2: working in Hollywood where, yeah, I can draw, but you

1174
00:48:53,925 --> 00:48:55,685
Speaker 2: got to learn how to play politics in Hollywood too.

1175
00:48:56,155 --> 00:48:57,975
Speaker 2: You need to get the studio to keep giving you

1176
00:48:58,015 --> 00:49:00,415
Speaker 2: money for your show. And then when you hire people,

1177
00:49:00,475 --> 00:49:03,535
Speaker 2: dealing with people and other human beings, God gave me

1178
00:49:03,555 --> 00:49:05,355
Speaker 2: the strength to do all that. Jesus gave me the

1179
00:49:05,635 --> 00:49:07,435
Speaker 2: ability to do all of this stuff I never thought

1180
00:49:07,455 --> 00:49:10,225
Speaker 2: I could do. And the ability to be humble about

1181
00:49:10,265 --> 00:49:12,985
Speaker 2: it at times. Again, I'm not perfect. I'm sure there

1182
00:49:13,005 --> 00:49:15,355
Speaker 2: were times I wasn't. But I want to make sure

1183
00:49:15,395 --> 00:49:18,325
Speaker 2: that I can at least represent him as cleanly and

1184
00:49:18,385 --> 00:49:21,105
Speaker 2: clearly as possible, given my limited human ability.

1185
00:49:21,125 --> 00:49:23,985
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you've done a great job of it, but

1186
00:49:24,985 --> 00:49:26,805
Speaker 1: it's going to be exciting to see what the Lord

1187
00:49:27,425 --> 00:49:29,685
Speaker 1: inspires you to do in the days ahead. Who knows

1188
00:49:29,745 --> 00:49:32,955
Speaker 1: something that you never even considered. And it's funny how

1189
00:49:32,975 --> 00:49:35,985
Speaker 1: an idea comes that just, pops into your head. And

1190
00:49:36,025 --> 00:49:38,705
Speaker 1: you know, like God gave to Joseph a vision, a

1191
00:49:38,785 --> 00:49:43,285
Speaker 1: dream of his future. Sometimes it's good to keep your

1192
00:49:43,325 --> 00:49:46,225
Speaker 1: dreams to yourself because when he told his brothers, it

1193
00:49:46,265 --> 00:49:49,565
Speaker 1: didn't take it well. But that dream really was from God,

1194
00:49:49,625 --> 00:49:51,445
Speaker 1: wasn't it? That he was going to be in a

1195
00:49:51,485 --> 00:49:52,685
Speaker 1: position of influence.

1196
00:49:52,765 --> 00:49:56,745
Speaker 2: And his trip to the goal wasn't easy either. And

1197
00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:58,585
Speaker 2: by the way, your trip to your goal is not

1198
00:49:58,625 --> 00:50:00,805
Speaker 2: going to be easy. I hate to break it to you,

1199
00:50:00,825 --> 00:50:03,465
Speaker 2: but it's through that growth, you're going to become an amazing,

1200
00:50:03,485 --> 00:50:07,245
Speaker 2: incredible leader. Father, mother, sister, brother, whatever it's going to be,

1201
00:50:07,865 --> 00:50:10,245
Speaker 2: you'll be the most amazing example. And then you'll look

1202
00:50:10,285 --> 00:50:13,125
Speaker 2: back going, I look back now going, look what God did.

1203
00:50:13,145 --> 00:50:15,225
Speaker 2: Look what God did there. I wasn't even expecting it.

1204
00:50:15,525 --> 00:50:17,705
Speaker 2: Right now even, I started off as an artist like you.

1205
00:50:17,725 --> 00:50:20,485
Speaker 2: Now I have my own company. It wasn't easy. It

1206
00:50:20,745 --> 00:50:24,095
Speaker 2: didn't happen overnight. And it's still not easy. But you still,

1207
00:50:24,695 --> 00:50:26,235
Speaker 2: you do it because God asked you to do it.

1208
00:50:26,915 --> 00:50:29,094
Speaker 2: And if he gives you the vision, you've heard this

1209
00:50:29,135 --> 00:50:32,975
Speaker 2: Christianese thing, he'll give you the provision. You'll get the provision.

1210
00:50:33,345 --> 00:50:34,665
Speaker 2: But it won't come in a way you expect.

1211
00:50:34,685 --> 00:50:36,864
Speaker 1: I like that. I actually haven't heard that. Oh, there

1212
00:50:36,885 --> 00:50:37,125
Speaker 1: you go.

1213
00:50:37,145 --> 00:50:38,845
Speaker 2: Can I get credit for that then? Yes.

1214
00:50:39,025 --> 00:50:41,485
Speaker 1: If he gives you the vision, he'll give you the provision.

1215
00:50:41,525 --> 00:50:46,915
Speaker 1: That's very good. You touched on this already, how you

1216
00:50:46,955 --> 00:50:50,895
Speaker 1: would like people to remember you. What would you like

1217
00:50:51,155 --> 00:50:54,975
Speaker 1: someone to say of your life after it's been lived

1218
00:50:55,015 --> 00:50:58,855
Speaker 1: to its completion? Like, you know, that Butch Hartman, this

1219
00:50:58,935 --> 00:51:00,215
Speaker 1: is what I remember about him.

1220
00:51:00,875 --> 00:51:03,955
Speaker 2: He was on Greg Laurie's podcast. Yes. I would say

1221
00:51:03,995 --> 00:51:07,035
Speaker 2: there was that. That's such a big question. I would

1222
00:51:07,075 --> 00:51:10,255
Speaker 2: probably say something. I would hope people would say he

1223
00:51:10,275 --> 00:51:13,055
Speaker 2: was a great representative for Jesus and he was a

1224
00:51:13,095 --> 00:51:15,805
Speaker 2: great servant and he used his gifts to the fullest

1225
00:51:15,845 --> 00:51:18,845
Speaker 2: of his capacity. And when I get to the end

1226
00:51:18,885 --> 00:51:20,285
Speaker 2: of my life, I'm never going to be able to

1227
00:51:20,365 --> 00:51:22,865
Speaker 2: use all the gifts I have that I've been given.

1228
00:51:22,945 --> 00:51:24,344
Speaker 2: I know there's some that are in there that I

1229
00:51:24,365 --> 00:51:27,975
Speaker 2: probably have been too Even at this point, as much

1230
00:51:28,015 --> 00:51:31,515
Speaker 2: as I love Jesus, still nervous about accessing. But they're

1231
00:51:31,535 --> 00:51:33,755
Speaker 2: in there. And I want people to go like, I

1232
00:51:33,815 --> 00:51:36,095
Speaker 2: want to do what Butch did by following the Lord.

1233
00:51:36,195 --> 00:51:39,725
Speaker 2: Not being like me, but being like him. That's my goal.

1234
00:51:40,075 --> 00:51:42,225
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the time. Great to hang out with you.

1235
00:51:42,285 --> 00:51:44,705
Speaker 2: I can't wait, man. I brought some pens, too. I

1236
00:51:44,745 --> 00:51:45,645
Speaker 2: want to draw a little bit.

1237
00:51:45,785 --> 00:51:47,645
Speaker 1: Let's do that. It's up to you. Okay.

1238
00:51:47,665 --> 00:51:48,405
Speaker 2: Are you ready to do this?

1239
00:51:48,445 --> 00:51:49,125
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.

1240
00:51:49,145 --> 00:51:49,605
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

1241
00:51:49,865 --> 00:51:50,165
Speaker 1: Okay.

1242
00:51:50,505 --> 00:51:54,305
Speaker 2: All right, Craig. So what are we going to draw first?

1243
00:51:54,765 --> 00:51:55,375
Speaker 1: Yellow dog.

1244
00:51:55,905 --> 00:51:58,085
Speaker 2: Yellow Dog. You teach me how to draw Yellow Dog.

1245
00:51:58,165 --> 00:52:03,864
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel a little intimidated drawing with you because you're...

1246
00:52:03,885 --> 00:52:07,485
Speaker 1: You shouldn't. Okay. But I still will be. I've been

1247
00:52:07,505 --> 00:52:10,185
Speaker 1: drawing Yellow Dog since I've been a kid. I was

1248
00:52:10,225 --> 00:52:13,125
Speaker 1: going through some archives of old art, and I thought, man,

1249
00:52:13,165 --> 00:52:15,125
Speaker 1: I've been drawing that thing since I've been like eight

1250
00:52:15,175 --> 00:52:18,335
Speaker 1: years old. Wow. And anyway, so I always start with

1251
00:52:18,835 --> 00:52:29,265
Speaker 1: Yellow Dog. It's just a nose. Yes. Sometimes he has

1252
00:52:29,325 --> 00:52:32,745
Speaker 1: circles around his eyes. Sometimes they're just dots, just depending

1253
00:52:32,785 --> 00:52:33,424
Speaker 1: on what I'm doing.

1254
00:52:43,645 --> 00:52:44,665
Speaker 2: How many fingers does he have?

1255
00:52:45,285 --> 00:52:46,025
Speaker 1: He has paws.

1256
00:52:46,265 --> 00:52:49,344
Speaker 2: Paws. These are important things to know.

1257
00:52:49,445 --> 00:52:51,165
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's put little, but he can have fingers.

1258
00:52:51,185 --> 00:52:53,095
Speaker 2: I'm coming along. How's that, all right?

1259
00:52:53,475 --> 00:52:56,635
Speaker 1: He's a Butch Hartman yellow dog, but I like him.

1260
00:52:56,655 --> 00:52:59,515
Speaker 1: He's a little more something, a little more attitude.

1261
00:52:59,815 --> 00:53:00,235
Speaker 2: Okay.

1262
00:53:00,315 --> 00:53:01,815
Speaker 1: So he's got a little belly.

1263
00:53:02,115 --> 00:53:02,635
Speaker 2: Little belly.

1264
00:53:10,285 --> 00:53:12,605
Speaker 1: So then I'll usually just kind of, you know, bolt

1265
00:53:12,625 --> 00:53:17,155
Speaker 1: him up. And I like a thicker line around them

1266
00:53:17,215 --> 00:53:18,225
Speaker 1: after I'm done with them.

1267
00:53:18,415 --> 00:53:25,765
Speaker 2: Yep. My first attempt at yellow dogs. There we go. Wow.

1268
00:53:25,785 --> 00:53:26,825
Speaker 2: Put those side by side.

1269
00:53:28,545 --> 00:53:29,405
Speaker 1: Well, I like yours.

1270
00:53:29,425 --> 00:53:33,235
Speaker 2: This is like amateur. No.

1271
00:53:34,935 --> 00:53:37,395
Speaker 1: Pro. Proper new yellow dog.

1272
00:53:37,695 --> 00:53:40,614
Speaker 2: There we go. Wow. Okay, now we drew your character. Yes.

1273
00:53:40,835 --> 00:53:41,815
Speaker 2: So let's draw one of my characters.

1274
00:53:41,835 --> 00:53:42,095
Speaker 1: Okay.

1275
00:53:42,115 --> 00:53:43,175
Speaker 2: Okay, hand me my sketch pad back.

1276
00:53:43,195 --> 00:53:43,555
Speaker 1: Okay, here you go.

1277
00:53:43,675 --> 00:53:45,175
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to give you a little tutorial here

1278
00:53:45,255 --> 00:53:48,235
Speaker 2: on Lenny. We'll do Lenny from the garden cartoon.

1279
00:53:48,355 --> 00:53:48,695
Speaker 1: Okay.

1280
00:53:49,075 --> 00:53:52,395
Speaker 2: So we're going to do a piece of paper, and

1281
00:53:52,415 --> 00:53:56,594
Speaker 2: we'll stick straight with pen. All right, so Lenny, we

1282
00:53:56,615 --> 00:53:59,205
Speaker 2: start off, he's a circle. Put it right in the

1283
00:53:59,245 --> 00:54:01,085
Speaker 2: middle because we have to make room for his hair,

1284
00:54:01,125 --> 00:54:01,765
Speaker 2: which is really big.

1285
00:54:02,225 --> 00:54:03,485
Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to go well.

1286
00:54:03,705 --> 00:54:06,755
Speaker 2: Let's see. Let's see. Give this a try. Here we go. Circle.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Circle.

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00:54:10,535 --> 00:54:24,625
Speaker 2: Circle. Now, about halfway down, we're going to do a

1289
00:54:24,685 --> 00:54:27,765
Speaker 2: line that kind of curves like this, like one line

1290
00:54:27,965 --> 00:54:29,985
Speaker 2: that kind of separates the circle. Okay.

1291
00:54:30,965 --> 00:54:31,665
Speaker 1: Is that his mouth?

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00:54:31,985 --> 00:54:36,035
Speaker 2: No, that's his top of his shirt. Wow. You'll see.

1293
00:54:36,255 --> 00:54:38,765
Speaker 2: We'll get to his mouth in a second. Just one

1294
00:54:38,805 --> 00:54:43,465
Speaker 2: line like that. Great. Now underneath that line is one

1295
00:54:43,505 --> 00:54:48,405
Speaker 2: more line like this. So you got his shirt and

1296
00:54:48,425 --> 00:54:53,634
Speaker 2: that's the top of his pants. See, his character wears

1297
00:54:53,675 --> 00:54:56,995
Speaker 2: no clothes. Mine's fully clothed. What does that say? Okay.

1298
00:54:57,355 --> 00:54:59,975
Speaker 2: Now put his mouth off to the left a little bit.

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00:55:00,015 --> 00:55:09,245
Speaker 2: Just a little letter U like that. Now going down here,

1300
00:55:10,325 --> 00:55:12,805
Speaker 2: right below the eye down here, one little square or

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00:55:13,285 --> 00:55:15,925
Speaker 2: one little like that. Those are his shorts, like his

1302
00:55:15,965 --> 00:55:27,715
Speaker 2: pant legs. Now we'll do his arms out and around

1303
00:55:27,755 --> 00:55:37,755
Speaker 2: like that. Now his hair. He's got his big lion hair.

1304
00:55:37,815 --> 00:55:42,505
Speaker 2: So we go one, two, three on that side. Wow.

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00:55:43,745 --> 00:55:55,485
Speaker 2: His tail's kind of starting here. And like a garden hose,

1306
00:55:55,545 --> 00:55:58,645
Speaker 2: it's really long. It comes out like that. I like that.

1307
00:55:58,925 --> 00:56:00,985
Speaker 2: So it's sort of hidden behind his foot. Yeah, behind

1308
00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:02,665
Speaker 2: his foot. Then it comes out this way like a

1309
00:56:02,705 --> 00:56:09,395
Speaker 2: garden hose. Give me five.

1310
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Speaker 1: Okay.

1311
00:56:10,075 --> 00:56:13,895
Speaker 2: Well done, man. Let's show that to the camera. Here

1312
00:56:17,095 --> 00:56:20,105
Speaker 2: we go. Hey, can I draw you one of my

1313
00:56:20,145 --> 00:56:21,605
Speaker 2: characters and just give it to you as a gift?

1314
00:56:21,705 --> 00:56:22,245
Speaker 1: Yes, please.

1315
00:56:22,265 --> 00:56:24,165
Speaker 2: Would that be okay with you? I'm going to draw

1316
00:56:24,205 --> 00:56:26,525
Speaker 2: you one of my Fairly Oddparents characters.

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00:56:26,585 --> 00:56:27,145
Speaker 1: Okay, great.

1318
00:56:27,225 --> 00:56:35,725
Speaker 2: This is Cosmo. Yes. He's the silly Fairly Oddparent. And

1319
00:56:35,765 --> 00:56:38,405
Speaker 2: if you look, he's just made up of basic circles

1320
00:56:38,465 --> 00:56:40,685
Speaker 2: and squares, a lot of angles.

1321
00:56:42,705 --> 00:56:45,465
Speaker 1: How did you design to come up with this style?

1322
00:56:45,525 --> 00:56:50,345
Speaker 1: This is a certain style for this comic or this series.

1323
00:56:51,105 --> 00:56:54,735
Speaker 1: And it's like big heads, little bodies. But you've done

1324
00:56:54,875 --> 00:56:58,195
Speaker 1: all kinds of animated. I mean, I'm looking through your sketchbook.

1325
00:56:58,235 --> 00:57:00,935
Speaker 1: You do all kinds of cartoons. But you came up

1326
00:57:00,975 --> 00:57:02,275
Speaker 1: with a certain look for these guys.

1327
00:57:02,795 --> 00:57:05,255
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really based this on a lot of the

1328
00:57:05,275 --> 00:57:09,395
Speaker 2: 1950s cartoons that I loved. There was a company called

1329
00:57:09,515 --> 00:57:12,775
Speaker 2: UPA back in the 50s, and they did Tom Terrific

1330
00:57:12,835 --> 00:57:15,175
Speaker 2: and things like that. And so I loved that style.

1331
00:57:15,195 --> 00:57:18,035
Speaker 2: I loved Hanna-Barbera as well. There's a lot of Hanna-Barbera

1332
00:57:18,075 --> 00:57:22,345
Speaker 2: influence in what I did for Fairly Oddparents. When I

1333
00:57:22,425 --> 00:57:23,845
Speaker 2: finally sold my own show, I said, I'm going to

1334
00:57:23,865 --> 00:57:25,745
Speaker 2: draw in a style I've never drawn before. So I

1335
00:57:25,765 --> 00:57:28,745
Speaker 2: really worked hard to make it almost like a language

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00:57:29,385 --> 00:57:33,135
Speaker 2: that I'd never really drawn before. So this is Cosmo.

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00:57:39,905 --> 00:57:42,565
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1338
00:57:42,765 --> 00:57:45,725
Speaker 2: That's really great. I'm going to draw a character that

1339
00:57:45,825 --> 00:57:48,365
Speaker 2: Yellow Dog would hang out with. What if you had

1340
00:57:48,505 --> 00:57:54,655
Speaker 2: one named Moondog? If he was a surfer. Yeah, I

1341
00:57:54,675 --> 00:57:57,155
Speaker 2: can work. Moondog. I got it here. We'll do Moondog.

1342
00:57:57,195 --> 00:58:05,665
Speaker 2: I got it. Here's Moondog. Hey, bro, this is Moondog, dude.

1343
00:58:07,185 --> 00:58:09,185
Speaker 2: I'll sometimes do the voices when I draw.

1344
00:58:09,225 --> 00:58:10,335
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome.

1345
00:58:10,695 --> 00:58:18,935
Speaker 2: So this guy's like, hey, he's like a surfer dog. Okay, man,

1346
00:58:18,955 --> 00:58:23,005
Speaker 2: what's up? He's got like a t-shirt on. So I'll

1347
00:58:23,025 --> 00:58:42,895
Speaker 2: put him on a surfboard. So this is Moondog.

1348
00:58:45,135 --> 00:58:45,875
Speaker 1: Oh, he's great.

1349
00:58:45,915 --> 00:58:46,195
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1350
00:58:46,765 --> 00:58:49,465
Speaker 1: I think you should do this professionally, but I think

1351
00:58:49,485 --> 00:58:50,005
Speaker 1: you've got it.

1352
00:58:50,345 --> 00:58:52,345
Speaker 2: Well, I'm grateful, man. Thank you. I might give it

1353
00:58:52,365 --> 00:58:52,685
Speaker 2: a shot.

1354
00:58:54,165 --> 00:58:56,625
Speaker 1: So, Butch, thanks again for coming. A real pleasure.

1355
00:58:56,685 --> 00:58:58,265
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for drawing with me. I got to

1356
00:58:58,285 --> 00:59:00,245
Speaker 2: draw with Greg Laurie. That was fun. Thank you so much.

1357
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Speaker 1: You got to draw with Butch Hartman. Hey, thanks for

1358
00:59:03,435 --> 00:59:07,355
Speaker 1: joining me today. Subscribe to my YouTube channel. Follow me

1359
00:59:07,395 --> 00:59:10,595
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1360
00:59:10,655 --> 00:59:15,075
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