1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: an ungodly world. 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: I am your host, Catherine Seekers, and in today's episode, 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: we will celebrate Independence Day in the two hundred and 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and we will 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: tackle this timely question what makes a nation truly free? 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: As America marks two hundred and fifty years of independence, 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: it is the perfect time to celebrate our freedom, but 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: also ask what made those freedoms possible in the first place. 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: What is the foundation of a truly free nation and 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: what does it take to preserve liberty for generations to come. 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: My special guest today is, in the opinion of many, 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: the world's foremost expert on that very question. That is 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: certainly my opinion. I'm speaking of none other than Oz Guinness. 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: If you aren't familiar with this brilliant thinker yet, you 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: are in for an extraordinary treat. This timeless conversation is 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: one of the most important we've ever shared on this podcast. Together, 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: we are going to explore history, philosophy, government, and theology. 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: And by the end of this episode you'll have a 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: deeper understanding of freedom, a greater appreciation for America's founding, 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: and fresh insight into how we can preserve the blessings 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: of liberty for our children and grandchildren. That's the plan 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: for this episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. Because our 25 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: nation is celebrating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of 26 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: the Declaration of Independence this year. I couldn't think of 27 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: a more timely conversation to pull from the archives than 28 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: this one. As we celebrate America's remarkable experiment in liberty, 29 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: we must also ask an urgent question, can we keep 30 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: our freedom? Yeah? Today's episode explores that question from a 31 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: perspective unlike any other. You're going to hear the remarkable 32 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: life story of one of the last surviving Western eyewitnesses 33 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: to the Communist revolution in China in nineteen forty nine. 34 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: His first hand experience, combined with a lifetime devoted to 35 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: the study of history, philosophy, theology, and political thought, gives 36 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: him a one and eight billion perspective on Marxism, which 37 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: is one of the greatest threats to freedom in the West. Today, 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: you're also going to discover why America's founding was unique 39 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: in human history. The indispensable foundation of a free society. 40 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: What our culture miss understands about freedom, how our institutions 41 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: of higher education have been captured through what Oz calls 42 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: the Long March, and one powerful prayer every believer should 43 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: be praying for our nation's leaders. My guest today is 44 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: Oz Ginnis, aptly described as quote a quiet voice on 45 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: behalf of faith, freedom, truth, reason and civility. Quote. He 46 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: is certainly all of those things, yet behind his gentle 47 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: demeanor is one of the most brilliant minds of our generation. 48 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: With a doctorate in philosophy from Oxford and more than 49 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: thirty books to his name, Oz possesses an extraordinary command 50 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: of history and ideas, recalling people, events and quotations with 51 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: astonishing precision while offering profound insight into their significance for 52 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: our world today. His latest book book at the time 53 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: of this interview, was The Magna Carta of Humanity, Sinied, 54 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: Revolutionary Faith and the Future of Freedom, and it serves 55 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: as the backdrop for this unforgettable conversation. So that's up. 56 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: Let's jump right in. 57 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: Oz Gunnis, Welcome to Christian parent crazy World. It is 58 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: such an honor to have you here with us today. 59 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: Oh, my privilege. Thanks for inviting me. 60 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you. 61 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: You know, I became familiar with your work several years ago, 62 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: and I've since been just a voracious consumer everything you do. 63 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: I've got a collection of your books. I have a 64 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: stack of them right next to me that I'm working 65 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: my way through. And I'm always on the lookout for 66 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: your interviews. And I actually I have a four x 67 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: six foot dry race board in my office slash classroom. 68 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: We homeschool our kids, and I put little quotes all 69 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: over it that have inspired me and transform my thinking. 70 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: And you are response to for quite a number of 71 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: the quotes on my board, either you directly or someone 72 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: you introduced me to, like I'm swinning to read them 73 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: right now, Saint Augustine. To understand a nation look at 74 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: what it loves supremely. You introduce me to that. Rudyard Kipling. 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: I love your quote, what knows he of England that 76 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 1: only England knows? You introduce me to that as well. 77 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: But center at the top of it is your golden 78 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: triangle of freedom. That freedom requires virtue, and virtue requires faith, 79 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: which requires freedom. 80 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: So that's in the center of my board. 81 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: I keep it there it's so inspiring, and you know, 82 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: I've been just trying to consume so much of what 83 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: you have to offer, because I believe you have such 84 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: a unique voice, which I want to dig into your 85 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: history in just a moment. But first let's introduce you 86 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: to my audience because your name, you know, I don't 87 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: know if everyone in my audience is familiar with you 88 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: as I've become over the last few years, So your 89 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: name Guinness should ring some bells for them. So tell 90 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: us about your family and how that translates to I 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: guess we'll get to your early childhood in a little bit. 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 4: Tell us about the Guinness family. 93 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: Well, some people immediately think. 94 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: Of beer, Yes, that does come to mind. 95 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: Immediately think of the Book of Records, the Guinness Book 96 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: of Records, And that's actually both of those of my family, 97 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: but not my particular branch. I'm descended from the youngest 98 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: son of Arthur Guinness, the brewer, who was actually a 99 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: wonderful Christian. He came to faith through the preaching of 100 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: John Wesley in the First Great Awakening, and he shaped 101 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: our family firm in Christian principles, paying higher than average wages, 102 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: giving health care to the workers, all sorts of things 103 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: which are very rare in the eighteenth centuries. Actually very 104 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: proud of the background too, although I come from a 105 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: different branch of the family. 106 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: That's a justice warrior, right there. You have that come 107 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: by that naturally, don't you. 108 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: Well, my grandfather was the first one who went out 109 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: as a missionary to China. He was one of the 110 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 3: first Western doctors in China. He actually treated the last 111 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: Emperor if anyone seen that film, Oh yeah, yeah, and 112 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: who were both born in China and I was born 113 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: in China, So my first ten years were years of 114 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: war and famine and then revolution of course, so traumatically was. 115 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: That was nineteen forty one? 116 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: Was it? I was born in forty one. I didn't 117 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: obviously remember that same year as Pearl Harbor and various 118 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: things like that, as well as the horror of Hitler's 119 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: planning the Holocaust. So it's a very crucial year, often 120 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: considered the low point of the twentieth century. 121 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I was thinking about this. I'm 122 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: sure that there are still some people alive in China 123 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: today that lived through the Chinese Revolution, but I was curious, 124 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: you may be one of the very few people who 125 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: lived through the Chinese Revolution as a Westerner that's still 126 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: alive today that can speak to it significantly. Your family 127 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: suffered indescribable loss leading up to that revolution at the 128 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: hands of Mao Zedong, So you subsequently then went on 129 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: to study extensively philosophy and history, and theology and apologetics 130 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: with Francis Schaeffer, and culture extensively. So and then I 131 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: would add to that that God certainly gifted you intellectually. 132 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: So you have such a gift. 133 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: To not only through your personal experience, but also through 134 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: your studies of connecting all of these historical dots which 135 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: might just give you not a one in a million 136 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: perspective on these things, but perhaps closer to one in 137 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: eight billion one in the world. 138 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: I was. I'm very grateful because it gave me my 139 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: first time. I was seven year old when the revolution 140 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: broke out, and lived there two years under the reign 141 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: of terror, and so I was nearly ten when I left. 142 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: I was. It gave me a very realistic view of life, 143 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: which has been very important. And of course it gave 144 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: me a very realistic view of Marxism. Like the people 145 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: in Eastern Europe who grew up under communism, in Poland 146 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: and Czech Republic and so on. I'm not naive. Many 147 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: young Americans are very naive about Marxism. They think a 148 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 3: matter of justice and idealism. But anyone who has seen it, 149 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 3: you know, you know their revolutions never succeed, their oppressions 150 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: never end, and the futures they promise never arrive. And 151 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: some of those lessons of realism were built into me 152 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: as a boy. 153 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: Explain to us what you have lived through there? 154 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: Walk us through that. 155 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: Well, I'll never forget. My dad said to me in 156 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: January forty nine, son, we're in trouble. Chen Kai Chek, 157 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: who is the leader of so called Free China, had 158 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: just abandoned the city, and we the mercy of the 159 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: Red Army. So three months later they crossed the Yanksee, 160 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: the great river outside of Nanjing, and in they came, 161 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: and they festooned the town with loudspeakers. So there were 162 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: trials in the morning, executions in the afternoon. Fear was palpable. 163 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: I mean, you met people you knew well, and they 164 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: passed by you in the street with not a hint 165 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: of recognition. Why their lives would be forfeit if they 166 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: recognized they knew you. You went out in the streets. 167 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: Instantly a crowd came around, shouting death to the blue 168 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: eyed foreign devils, and so on. My father was accused, 169 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: trumped up charges. They all fell apart. But it was 170 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: a time of incredible fear. But my own parents had 171 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: a deep and quiet faith, and I learned so much 172 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: from them. I never saw their faith wavering once in 173 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: all those terrible years, and I sort of summarized it. 174 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: You know, God is greater than all. God can be 175 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: trusted in all situations, have no fear, have faith in God. 176 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: And so my first ten years were incredibly important from 177 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: my whole realistic view of life and a robust sense 178 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: of faith in the Lord. 179 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: And the magnitude of that loss. 180 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: You have heard you speak so poignantly about it before 181 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: you you lost two younger brothers and the famine, didn't 182 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: you well that? 183 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: Yes, that was in the famine, not under Madzadong. So okay, Well, 184 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: I was a small boy. That was earlier. We were 185 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 3: caught between three armies. You had the Japanese on one side, 186 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: who killed seventeen million in their invasion. You had the Communists, 187 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: and then you had the nationalists, and we were caught 188 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: in a terrible famine in which locusts descended and just 189 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: devoured everything. So Time magazine covered it well, Teddy White. 190 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: Five million died in three months, and there was cannibalism 191 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: and people selling their children for an evening meal. There 192 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: was no food, no mids and my two brothers died. 193 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: I nearly died, my mother nearly died. I survived by 194 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: the grace of the Lord and the skin of my teeth. 195 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: But those who were I don't remember that. Of course, 196 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: I was a three year old, and I heard about 197 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: it afterwards from my parents and others who were there. 198 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: But that was really hair raising time. When we joined 199 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: the refugees on the road looking for food and water, 200 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: there were ten million, far more than anything you've seen 201 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: in Syria or whatever recently. It was really quite incredible. 202 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: And then we moved to the capital, which was where 203 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: the revolution took place. 204 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: That's incredible, that's incredible history. So in the introduction to 205 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: your book, would which I would recommend this book, the 206 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: Magna Carta of Humanity, Sinai's Revolutionary Faith and the Future 207 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: of Freedom, you give what I think is one of 208 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: the most cogent and enlightening assessments of where America is 209 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: as a nation today and what the world is heading towards. 210 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: And you cover the five main revolutions in modern history. 211 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: Share with us about those and the differences between them. 212 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: Because you've got the English Revolution with sixteen forty two, 213 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: and then us the American Revolution seventeen seventy six, and 214 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: then the three subsequent ones which are a radical departure, 215 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: the French, the Russian, and the Chinese which you live through. 216 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 4: Tell us about those. 217 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: Well. The first two are often considered very different because 218 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: the English Revolution failed, it's called lost cause the king 219 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: came back, and the American Revolution, of course succeeded seventeen 220 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: seventy six. But actually they're both very similar in that 221 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: the roots of both of them with a Bible. The 222 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: seventeenth century, following the Reformation in the sixteenth was fascinated. 223 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: It was called by historians the Biblical century, and they 224 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: were even atheists like Thomas Hobbs, great political scientists. They 225 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: were fascinated what they called the Hebrew Republic because if 226 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: you think the Church had been the faith of Europe 227 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: since three eighty a d. But the Church had been 228 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: largely Catholic, and the Catholic Church copied the structures of Rome, 229 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:40,479 Speaker 3: and the Roman structures were hierarchical. You had a caesar, consul, senators, 230 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: and you had a pope, cardinals, bishops. But hierarchical power 231 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: is oppressive and it easily becomes corrupt. The Reformation said, no, 232 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: that isn't the biblical way. What's the biblical way of politics? 233 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: Covenantal Hebrew Republic, and the Reformation was fascinated with it. 234 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: So many Americans don't realize things like the consent of 235 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: the governant, or the separation of powers and all these things. 236 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: They go back to the Book of Exodus. The consent 237 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: of the governed three times. It says in Exit, the 238 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: Lord puts out the Covenant, and it says three times 239 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: in different ways. The people answer all of the Lord says, 240 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: we will do right. But even when the Lord of 241 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: the universe puts out his proposal, it's not ratified in 242 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: the Covenant until you have the consent of the government. 243 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: That's an incredibly important part of freedom. And of course 244 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: the Covenant itself became the US Constitution, We the people, 245 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: and so the roots of the American experiment at their 246 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: best are not in Greece. Democracy No, the Framers didn't 247 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: like democracy. It always an anarchy or mob rule, as 248 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: was Covenental constitutional republic. So that's why it's so important. 249 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Uh, it's mind blowing because we I mean, I've learned 250 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: US history at least at a time when it was 251 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: a little more accurate than it is today, with the 252 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: likes of neo Marxist ideologies getting wokesm getting mixed in 253 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: the bunch in the sixteen nineteen project. 254 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: But even still, I didn't learn it that way. 255 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,239 Speaker 1: I did not learn it that way. And to understand 256 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: the origin of it, And one thing you talk about 257 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: so much in your book is just this concept that 258 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: somehow our freedom came from the seventeenth century Enlightenment thinkers 259 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: and that somehow they they figured it out. That's not 260 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: where it came from. It goes back to the Hebrew republic. 261 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: And that's just mind blowing to me that we don't know. 262 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: That Exodus is the muster story of freedom. But it's 263 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: a lot more than let my people go, which of 264 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: course is the declaration of Moses. What you have is 265 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: what's called an ordered freedom. So if you look at 266 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: the first eleven chapters of Genesis, you have the book 267 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: ends of history. You have before the flood anarchy, all freedom, 268 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: no order, violence, and the Lord judges it. And then 269 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: you have the Tower of Babel, all order, no freedom. 270 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: So you have anarchy on one side and authoritarianism on 271 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: the other side. And what the Lord gives them through 272 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: Moses is ordered freedom, a covenantal constitutional freedom, and that 273 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 3: should be the American way, a distinctive ordered freedom. So 274 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: freedom is not the permission to do what you like. 275 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: That's libertarianism and chaos. Freedom is the power to do 276 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: what you ought. 277 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Ah, that is incredible, so much to dig into there. 278 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: I want to come back to that in a little bit, 279 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: maybe in the next episode a little bit more and 280 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: really dig into that origin. But explain to us then 281 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: the difference of the imperatives and the ideals and the 282 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: foundation bedrock of the English which the English Revolution which failed, 283 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: and then the American Revolution that has succeeded for some 284 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: time we can keep it, and the French Revolution which 285 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: came in seventeen eighty nine. What are the distinctive characteristics 286 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: the differences between these two revolutions. 287 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: Well, take the sources. English and the American Revolution come 288 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: from the Bible, largely sadly through slavery, not totally, but 289 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: basically from the Bible. The French Revolution comes from the 290 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: French Enlightenment, Russo and people like that. Or second, the 291 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 3: American Revolution coming from the Bible, is very realistic. You 292 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: have a separation of powers, your checks and balances. Why 293 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: people are sinners, so you need ambition to counter ambition, 294 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: as as Addison says, and of course he was taught 295 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: by the great Scottish theologian John Witherspoon, the president what's 296 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 3: now Princeton. Whereas the French Revolution is utopian. Now you're 297 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: going down the line. There are differences at all sorts 298 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: of points, but today the key one that counts is justice. 299 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: So both the left and we as followers of Jesus 300 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: agree there is injustice and we must fight it. We 301 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 3: agree on that, but how do they fight it? Well, 302 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: in the left view, there is no truth postmodernism, everything 303 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 3: is power. So you analyze speech to find out who's 304 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: the majority, who's the minority, who's the oppressor, who's the victim, 305 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: and then you weaponize the victim to set up a 306 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: conflict of powers. It's all power. But here's the problem. 307 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: If there's no truth, no ideal justice, only power. The 308 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: only possible peace you can have is when you have 309 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: a power so powerful it can put down every other power. 310 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: Now that's what the Romans called the peace of despotism, 311 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: in other words, authoritarianism, and that's why the radical left 312 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: always leads to greater state control and to totalitarianism. Compare 313 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: that with a biblical way, take say the Prophets, where 314 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: you have this so clearly, or our Lord himself, you 315 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: have first truth addressed to power. So it's not a 316 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: matter of majority power that strong battalions, one word of 317 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: truth outweighs the entire world, as salz innos and says. 318 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: So he was a one man dissident who could almost 319 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 3: bring down the whole Soviet Union. Why he had the truth. 320 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: So you address truth to power like the Prophets did. 321 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: They all for confession and repentance. Pentance is an about 322 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: turn of heardened mind. And then of course you can 323 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: have forgiveness and then reconciliation. I'm using single words, but 324 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: you unpack those and you can to a very very 325 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 3: different direction. So it's the rabbis put it. Who's a conqueror? 326 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: Most people would say someone who can defeat their enemy. No, 327 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: the rabbi said, a great conqueror is someone who can 328 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: turn his enemy into a friend. That, of course is 329 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: what the Jewish and Christian understanding is through atonement and 330 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 3: a prophetic challenge to evil. So the left today is 331 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: a disastrous way of dealing with it. Although hats off 332 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 3: to them they do tackle injustice. We two should, but 333 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 3: ways so much deeper and ends up so much better. 334 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: I sent some new quotes to make room for on 335 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: my board. In her interview, I'm going to be transcribing 336 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: some of this and putting it on my board. Oh wow, 337 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: so much done back there. I would like to talk 338 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: about where we are then. On the one hand in 339 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: diet where the left is, but on the other hand 340 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: you and you have a healthy section in your book 341 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: on this indict Christianity. 342 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: We haven't always gotten it right. 343 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: We have not always been on the right side of 344 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: many of these these justice causes. 345 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 4: Now sometimes we have. 346 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: But there have been many times when we haven't. We 347 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: have inadvertently kind of fed some of these groups that 348 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: have risen up and attached themselves to the Marxist ideologues, 349 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: who they may not even know. Many of the people, 350 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: the workers on the ground, really understand what they're feeding 351 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: the beasts that they're feeding, do they now? 352 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: But if we look at history overall, there's no question 353 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 3: we're on the side of the angels. Slavery, sadly, is 354 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: the norm in history. Yes, abolition is the novelty. It 355 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: was the Evangelicals and the quaitas who are the abolitionists. 356 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: I'm proud and grateful. In fact, my ancestor, Arthur Guinness 357 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 3: the Brewer, is a friend and a supporter of William 358 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: Wilberforce and of course the greatest social reformer of all, 359 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 3: an evangelical brother. The tread near this country was that 360 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: parts of the South were supportive of slavery. Many evangelicals 361 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: in America have a bad conscience still and they don't 362 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: realize that abolition was led by evangelicals. But go back 363 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: to the difference between the French and the American revolutions. 364 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 3: It explains the present polarization. Everyone's aware of the division 365 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: in America. America's as deeply divided as at any point 366 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: since just before the Civil War. But why a lot 367 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: of people say it's the social media. Some say it's 368 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 3: the coastals California, New York against the Heartlanders and the Midwest. 369 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: And the South. Some say it's the populace over against 370 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: the globals. All of those have a part to play. 371 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: But I would argue the deepest division it has been 372 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: those who understand America the republic freedom from the perspective 373 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 3: of the American Revolution seventeen seventy six, and those who 374 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 3: understand American freedom from the perspective of the ideas coming 375 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: down from the French Revolution. So postmodernism, the cancel culture, 376 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: the sexual revolution, critical race theory, all those sort of 377 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: things are the heirs of the French Revolution. Now I'm 378 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: a Christian. You're a Christian. Many of our audience are. 379 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: You remember the Book of Galicians. Paul says to the Galicians, 380 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: who's bewitched you? You're following another gospel? Came to faith 381 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: through one gospel, You're following a different gospel. What I'm 382 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: saying to America and others too, who's bewitched you? America? 383 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: You're following a different revolution. You came to freedom through 384 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: one revolution, and now you're being taken over by another revolution. 385 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: But here's the tragedy, Catherine, there's no Lincoln today. So 386 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 3: when America was deeply divided in eighteen fifties, he addressed 387 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: the evil slavery America. A house divided can understand. He said, 388 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: America cannot continue half slave, half free. And that way, 389 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: what I'm saying today is America cannot continue half seventeen 390 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: seventy six and half seventeen eighty nine. The trouble is 391 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: there's no Lincoln, there's no national leader, certainly no Christian leader, 392 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 3: saying America, You've got to choose. 393 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: Hey, friends, it's Catherine here. If you're trying to be 394 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: a godly parent in this wild and wacky world, you 395 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: need all the help you can get, and I've got 396 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: you covered. 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That's Katherine Scers 412 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: dot com and subscribe today. Because Christian parenting may be crazy, 413 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: but you don't have to do it alone. Let me 414 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: read this from page three of your book, because it 415 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: really encapsulates what you're talking about. You say, quote in 416 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: one generation, America has been bewitched by ideas and ideals 417 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: that owe nothing to seventeen seventy six and the American 418 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Revolution and everything to seventeen eighty nine and the French Revolution. 419 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: In short, partly through design and partly through drift, America 420 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: appears to be abandoning the ideals of the American Revolution 421 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: for the ideas that are disastrous not only to America, 422 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: but to freedom and the future of humanity. You just 423 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of explained to us that that crossroads that we 424 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: are at, and I would like to address for a 425 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: few moments. I've heard you talk about how we've ended 426 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: up here. The long march on the institutions. I think 427 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: would be of particular interest to my listeners because we're 428 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: trying to raise children, and we're sending them off to universities, 429 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: and too often they're coming back having abandoned their faith 430 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: after they've been bewitched by these other ideas that they're encountering. 431 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: And I was looking back and some of the people 432 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about, and you certainly wrote about 433 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: Antonio Gramsey in your book. He identified he was the 434 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: leader of the Italian Communist Party. I believe around the 435 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. I think he lived, I got eighteen ninety 436 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: one to nineteen thirty seven. But he identified five pillars 437 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: of Western society that have to fall in order for 438 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: the Marxist Revolution, the cultural revolution to take place. He 439 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: identified religion, family education, media, and law. And a large 440 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: part of the way he has implemented that, or the 441 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: neo Marxists have implemented that, you know, followed by Horkheimer 442 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: and Herbert marcusin, Angela Davis and so many of the 443 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: others that have followed was through the Long March. So 444 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: I would like to hear what is your report card 445 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: is Howards Gramsey and his cohorts, how are they doing 446 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: on those five pillars religion, family education, media and law? 447 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 4: And how have they. 448 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: Managed to do that through the Long March through our institutions. 449 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: Explain to us what that is. 450 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: Well, casll let me back up a bit. When we 451 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: do Marxism, many people think that can't be because this 452 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: is not classical Marxism or communism. And there's a difference 453 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: between classical Marxism, communism, proletarian strikes, revolution, and what gram 454 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: she called, which is cultural Marxism. And his idea was 455 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: you win the cultural gatekeepers of a society and then 456 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: you sweep around and win the whole culture. So the 457 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: five pillars you mentioned are all cultural, not so much political. 458 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: So his ideas in the nineteen twenties he wrote from jail, 459 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: and incidentally, his American translator of his book is the 460 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: father of Biden's transport secretary, Pete Buddachic did not know, 461 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: who was a pretty radical person too. Anyway, his ideas 462 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: are picked up by the Frankfurt School and they became 463 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: very important in the sixties through Herbert Marcus, as you said, 464 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: and it was in nineteen sixty eight a very key 465 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: year because Martin Luther King assassinated Senator Robert Kennedy, assassinated 466 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: one hundred American cities, were ablaze with the riots far 467 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: more than twenty twenty. But the radicals knew they wouldn't 468 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: win in the streets. They needed to do a long march, 469 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: a slow, incremental detour, winning the hearts and minds in 470 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 3: the college's universities, the press of media, the world of 471 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: Hollywood and entertainment, and then sweet round to win the 472 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: whole culture. Now that's fifty years ago, and they have 473 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: effectively done it. Now what you've seen in the pro 474 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: Palestinian protests is how incredibly deeply this has gone. So 475 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: if you know where Islamism is coming from, I call 476 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: it the Black Wave. Islamism in the nineteen forties was 477 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: a tie in between Hitler and radical Islam. But after 478 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: Hitler died and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to 479 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: Berlin and he brought in the Muslim Brotherhood too. After 480 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: Hitler died, they switched from being right wing to being 481 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: left wing and brought on board things like anti imperialism, 482 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 3: anti colonialism, and so on. So today you have radical 483 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: Islamism tied in with the radical left. And the way 484 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: that's breaking out in the American campuses is incredibly concerning, 485 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: because in sixty eight they knew the protests alone wouldn't 486 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 3: do it. They needed the Long March to be successful. Well, 487 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: the Long March has been successful. So now the campus 488 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: protests are coming, showing you how far the inroads of 489 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: along Marge have gone. So I put it this way 490 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: that the radical left meets the open border crisis meets 491 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: the black wave of radical Islamism. We're an incredibly serious 492 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: point in the degeneration of the American Republic and of 493 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: the West itself. 494 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, and I look back, will you look at 495 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: radical Islamism. They were committed to the weapon of the womb, 496 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: weren't they in proliferating and having many, many children and 497 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: have proliferated throughout Western Europe because they are committed to 498 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: the long game there where they reproduce more quickly than 499 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: the other faith and atheists certainly the only other, from 500 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: what I understand, the only other ideology or worldview that 501 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: really is producing more in terms of the next generation 502 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: or evangelical Christians. 503 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: And then and all the large Jews. 504 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, there we are. So they're committed to the 505 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 4: long game. 506 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: There there's a link between faith and fertility, and between 507 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 3: secularism and the lack of faith. And the lack of 508 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: a sense of future. So you can see how many 509 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 3: people are giving up on having children. They don't want 510 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: to bring children into a world where the climate catastrophe 511 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: may mean we only have another twelve years and so on, 512 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 3: all that sort of nonsense. But thank god Christians and 513 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 3: Orthodox Jews are really keeping up levels of having children. 514 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: You're doing your job. 515 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: Done well, done, well, that's what Abraham and Sarah had. 516 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is we have a faith in the Lord. Yes, 517 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: we have a faith in the future. How over dark 518 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: the present? 519 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: Hm, that's true. What it strikes me though, is that 520 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: radical Islam is committed to the long game. Cultural Marxist 521 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: committed to the long game. And I think back in 522 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties we had the religious right. Instead 523 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: of marching on institutions, they marched to Washington and tried 524 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: to correct it from there. But by the time we 525 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: get to Washington, if they've already been corrupted in the institutions, 526 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: then we're kind of going at that backwards. We're not 527 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: nearly as strategic and in for the long haul, maybe 528 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: as homeschoolers are. We're trying and those and I know 529 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people in my audience who are committed 530 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: to helping their children have a Christian worldview that educate 531 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: their kids in other ways as well. But evangelical Christians 532 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: certainly are trying. But what do we need to do 533 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: as Christians to help counteract this? 534 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: Or we need to remember we're in a cultural wall. Yes, 535 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 3: and a culture war is intergenerational. It's always at least 536 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: thirty five fifty years. Some people would say it actually 537 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 3: takes place over seventy five one hundred years. You cannot 538 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 3: fight a cultural war by politics only. So a lot 539 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 3: of what's happening today I call it a grand game 540 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: of whack them all. Scandal there and outrage there, whatever, 541 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: and you whack that one down and boycott this and 542 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: pro to no. The real cultural changes of what matters 543 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 3: are in families and in churches and in schools. Homeschooling, 544 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 3: as you suggested, is incredibly important. Things like that, But 545 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: of course politics is important too. And the tragedy as 546 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 3: recently Americans Christians who are a little defeatists and there's 547 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 3: a fatalism coming in they just not voting, and that's 548 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: a disaster. I mean, I go around the country and 549 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: people say to me, well, you know, I'm faithful. I 550 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: want to be faithful like the early Church. They kept 551 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: their heads down under Rome and they were faithful. That's 552 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 3: a bad parallel. Certainly we must be faithful, but the 553 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 3: early Church were faithful under an imperial dictatorship. They had 554 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 3: zero room to move. Gide, friends, We're prepared to we 555 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 3: I'm not American, I'm an admirer of this country, but 556 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: I'm living in this country. We're in a republic which 557 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 3: was based on the Hebrew republic, and in Israel, every 558 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: Jew is responsible for every Jew, and that was the 559 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 3: idea of we the people. There's a collective solidarity. So 560 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: for Christians not to vote is a failure of discipleship 561 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: and a failure of citizenship. Every evangelical voted. It would 562 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: be important. But of course, as I was saying, it's 563 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 3: not just politics alone, it's culture that is really making 564 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: the difference. 565 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: And we need to pray for better, good choices at 566 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: the ballot box and for God to raise up a Lincoln. 567 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 4: We need that in our nation, don't we. 568 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 3: Well do you know the wonderful story of Derek Prince. 569 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: He left Cambridge on the edge of the war as 570 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 3: an atheist, and he was drafted into the army in 571 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: North Africa, and he wanted to teach classics when he 572 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 3: got back after the war if he survived. So he 573 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 3: took a whole number of the classics, including the Bible, 574 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 3: and reading the Bible, became a Christian, found himself in Africa, 575 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 3: the longest retreat in British history, with the army deeply divided. 576 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 3: Class is our English problem, the way you have race 577 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 3: as a problem. Over year, it was a disaster. And 578 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 3: in this disaster Prince as a new Christian, said, Lord, 579 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 3: how do you want me to pray? And the Lord 580 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: gave him this single prayer. Lord set over us a 581 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 3: leader such that it would be for your glory to 582 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 3: give the victory through him. Well, the general was a 583 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 3: bad he was a disaster. Churchill fired him. Now a 584 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 3: second person, who died en route in an accident, sent 585 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 3: out a third general, a young, untested general who happened 586 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 3: to be the son of a Christian leader back in Britain. 587 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 3: And they'd retreated eight hundred miles, the longest retreat in 588 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 3: British history. And they were now defending Cairo, Alexandria and 589 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 3: the road to Jerusalem and the Seuze canal the last stand, 590 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 3: and the general got the army together. He said, men, 591 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 3: let us pray to the Lord of the army, the 592 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 3: Lord of hosts. And when Prince heard this on his transistory, 593 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: he wasn't there present. The Lord said to him, this 594 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 3: is the man to whom you prayed for two years. 595 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 3: And the battle the next week was the Battle of 596 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 3: Al a Lamine, and as Winston Churchill said, up to 597 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 3: l'al l Maine, all defeat, after all a Lamine, all victory. Now, 598 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 3: my wife Jenny and I we pray literally every single morning, 599 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 3: Lord set over as a leader much that it will 600 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 3: be for your glory to give the victory through him 601 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 3: or her, because it could be a woman, it could 602 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 3: be a man. We need someone at the very highest 603 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: level the presidency. 604 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: I agree, and you know what, I am greatly encouraged. 605 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: I suspect you probably were as well. Georgia Maloney, Italy's 606 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: Prime minister when she came out. Did you hear her 607 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: fiery speech where she quoted Chesterton. Fires will be kindled 608 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: to testify that two and two make four. Swords will 609 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer. 610 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,479 Speaker 1: That time has arrived we are ready. So if God 611 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: can do this in Italy, he can do this. 612 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: Here, can't he? 613 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 3: I hope? So of course he can. 614 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I agree. 615 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: We play a part in that though, don't we, Because, 616 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: like you said, we are a republic, which means that 617 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: we have to vote. So I cannot thank you enough, 618 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: Oz for enlightening with me and our listeners on where 619 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: we are in human history and the critical crossroad that 620 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: we are at right now. Tell us where they can 621 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: learn more about you and get a copy of your book, 622 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: The Magna Carta of Humanity, well. 623 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 3: The books on Amazon, probably anywhere you get books my website, 624 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: Ozgennis dot com. 625 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: Simple as that. In the next episode, I want to 626 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: back this up a little bit, Oz. You've so kindly 627 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: given us your time today, and I would like to 628 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: talk about the magnitude of what God did with his 629 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: Genesis declaration that we are made in His image, the 630 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: seeds of freedom are found there, and then how God 631 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: planted that blueprint for freedom in the Hebrew nation when 632 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: he formed the Hebrew Republic. Why is this important for 633 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: us as parents to think about because we have to 634 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: pass these seeds on to the next generation. Our children 635 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: need to know where freedom comes from because the world 636 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: is telling them that it comes from another source. Newsflash, 637 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: the world lies. The next episode, we're going to discover 638 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: the truth about who God is, who we are as individuals, 639 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: who we are as a nation, and the kind of 640 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: people God has created us to be. 641 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 4: Thank you, Oz, Thank you Wow. 642 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 2: So many things stuck out in this conversation, but nothing 643 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 2: more than this quote from Oz. He said, freedom is 644 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 2: not the permission to do what you like. Freedom is 645 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 2: the power to do what you ought. That one is 646 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 2: definitely going on my whiteboard. And that to circle back 647 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 2: to the question I posed at the beginning of the show, 648 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: is what makes a nation truly free? A free people 649 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 2: are men and women who use their freedom not merely 650 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 2: to pursue their own desires, but to do what is right. 651 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: Our culture, on the other hand, often defines freedom as 652 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 2: the license to do whatever we want, but true freedom 653 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 2: is the God given power and responsibility to do what 654 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 2: we ought, to love God, to love our neighbor, to 655 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: pursue truth, goodness, and righteousness. Oz has often made this 656 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 2: sobering observation. He says freedom is the great enemy of freedom. 657 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 2: In other words, when we misuse freedom, when we use 658 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 2: our freedom selfishly, we will eventually lose it. A society 659 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 2: that abandons virtue cannot sustain liberty. We don't merely squander freedom. No, no, 660 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 2: we actually enslave ourselves. That's why Galatians five, verse one 661 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 2: is so powerful. It says it is for freedom that 662 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 2: Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do 663 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: not let yourselves be burned again by a yoke of slavery. 664 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 2: Amen to that. So, as we celebrate America's two hundred 665 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 2: and fiftieth anniversary this year, may we remember that political 666 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 2: freedom can never be separated from from the moral and 667 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: spiritual foundation that sustains it. And may we never forget 668 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 2: that the deepest freedom isn't found in a constitution or 669 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 2: a government. Nope, It's found in Jesus Christ. Now be 670 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 2: sure to join me again next week as I re 671 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 2: air another timely conversation with Oz again us. In it, 672 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 2: we are going to explore the true origin of freedom, 673 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 2: beginning with the breathtaking truth that every human being is 674 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 2: created in the image of God. That single idea revolutionized 675 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 2: the world, laying the foundation for human dignity, human rights, 676 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 2: and human liberty. A free God created a free humanity, 677 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 2: and he calls us to remain in that freedom. Our 678 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 2: children desperately need to understand those roots, because lasting freedom 679 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 2: can never grow from a secular foundation. It begins and 680 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 2: ends with God. 681 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,919 Speaker 5: And as always remember God gave you your kids, your specific 682 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 5: kids for a reason. That's because you hold the key 683 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 5: to unlocking who God created them to be. Happy Independence Day, everybody, 684 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 5: We'll see you next time. 685 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: Christian parent Crazy World is a production of Life Audio 686 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: and Salem Media. If you liked what you heard today, 687 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: please take a second to rate and review this podcast 688 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: in your favorite podcast app so that more listeners like 689 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: you can find the show. 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