1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what intrusive thoughts, anxious thoughts, what war 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: is going on in your mind today, But I want 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: you to know that the peace of God is possible 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: in your life, and that is what me and my 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: guests Jennifer are going to talk about in today's episode. Hello. Hello, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Hello ladies and gents, and welcome to this week's episode 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: of the Bottom Beloved Podcast. As always, it's a girl 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Kirby Kelly back at it again. And I have my 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: new friend who I recently met. We're in the same 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: podcast network and everything. We've just been like going back 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: and forth on just chatting about being on each other's podcast. 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: So I will link that episode because I was just 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: on hers. I'll link that below. But Jennifer Slattery is 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: joining me today here on the podcast, and I'm really 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: excited about our topic. We're gonna be talking about how 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: to stop overthinking and actually experience more peace in your life. 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: How many of y'all relate to that? How many of 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: y'all can use a little bit more peace and a 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: little bit less yapping in your mind those intrusive thoughts 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: or destructive negative thoughts. I don't know specifically what that 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: looks like for you. But I'm hoping by the end 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: of this, through me and Jennifer's conversation, that you would 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: walk away more equipped, more refined, and just confident in 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: the truth of who you are in Christ and who 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 2: Christ is. But before we get to that, Jennifer, can 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: you just introduce yourself and let people know a little 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: bit about who you are, what you do, what you're 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: passionate about. 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's fine this topic in particular. So I'm 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: the co host of the Faith Overfear podcast, which is 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: I found with so God a little ironic in a 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: good way. I actually have legit OCD and there was 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: a time in twenty eleven where because of overthinking, because 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: of the noise in my head and me fueling it 36 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: and feeding it, I was completely enslaved. I mean, there 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: were a lot of components to that, but I remember 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: I would just and the only thing that would help 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: me during that season is I would turn on praise 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: music and I would sing it out loud and get movement, 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: and then for that brief moment I would have peace, 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: and then I would step away. And I don't even 43 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: know if I can listeners who are really battle anxiety 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: will probably understand, but it's really hard to explain when 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: your chronic state is hyper alarm. And so it's really 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: ironic to me that Actually, so I joined our podcasting 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: network when they first started, and they came to me 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: and they said, hey, would you consider podcasting for us? 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 1: Because I'd been writing for them for a long time. 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: And we went back and forth on the topic and 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: it was faith over fear and I'm like, okay, that 52 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: is my biggest stretch. Why would Lord, why would you 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: want me to talk about something that I am still 54 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: battling every day. But something beautiful happened in that in 55 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: shifting my focus a bit instead of like navel gazing 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: makes everything worse, everything worse, And so I began to 57 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: shift my focus into helping other people who were where 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: I was through the through truths and everything, and through 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: that God began to set me free. And so it 60 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: was a really beautiful and I honestly cribby. I almost 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: didn't do it, Like I felt so overwhelmed, so inadequate. 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: Especially I'm like, why would I Why would you choose me? 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: Lord? 64 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: And now looking back, I can say, okay, like, you 65 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: use this not just to build your kingdom? And support 66 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: your people, but you were thinking of me and what 67 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: would be helpful to because I don't know if I 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: would have invested the time at that stage, because I 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: just was giving into my overwhelm and I wasn't using 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: practical steps to It's to like quite a bit overthinking. 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know if on my own I would 72 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: have thought to invest the time that I now, you know, 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: like reading your book right, like to prepare for a podcast. 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: So as I'm reading your God is building into me right, 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: and so all of the different layers. So when you 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: ask what I'm passionate about, I am deeply, deeply connected 77 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: and resonate with the people who are who feel like 78 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: their life is imploding and who can't stop the noise 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: in their head and they feel enslaved by it, and 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: they're trying to put all these pieces together, like they're 81 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: trying to present your request to God and the peace 82 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: of and so that sur passes all understanding, will be 83 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: years in Christ Jesus. Like they're trying to do that, 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: but they're feeling like they're racing thoughts. The native thoughts 85 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: are just too strong and too relentless. So that is 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: my passion is to say, you know what, I get 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: where you're at, but God doesn't want to leave you there. 88 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: I love that, I think because that's something I've struggled 89 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: with as well. Anxiety specifically. I mean, there was a 90 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: season of my life where it was so debilitating, where 91 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: I was constantly throwing up. I couldn't keep anything down. 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: I was having anxiety attacks left and right. It was 93 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: just it was completely debilitating, and I was like, how 94 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: do I shut this off? I mean, I tried medication, 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: I tried all sorts of things, and those things helped 96 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: in the sense of numbing the pain, yeah, but it 97 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: didn't actually get to the root of what it was. 98 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: It was helping with the fruit, but it wasn't actually 99 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: addressing the root. And it wasn't until at least for me, 100 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: when I started going to Christian counseling and unpacking all 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: of these things and actually figuring out because part of 102 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: me knew what was causing it, but there was a 103 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: part of me that was like, I also don't know 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: where this is coming from. It wasn't until I was 105 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: with someone and began to process, especially through the frame 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: and lens of truth like scripture, that I began to 107 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: finally experience freedom in that. And so I'm wondering I 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: know a lot of Christians, a lot of Christians who 109 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: struggle so much with this war in their mind. Yeah, 110 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: when it comes to overthinking negative thoughts, shame even like 111 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: I could even categorize that of just like this nuisance 112 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: in the mind that just completely debilitates us. Why do 113 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: you think it is that so many Christians struggle with them? 114 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: Do you think it's specifically like an attack from the enemy, 115 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: or do you think maybe we just don't know what, 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: like you said, what it looks like to actually present 117 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: a request before God. I'm curious on your thoughts with that. 118 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I think that's your next book 119 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: here here and talk about it forever because all those things, right, 120 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: Like I know a little of your story from when 121 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: you were on my podcast, and you have a traumatic background. 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: So when your brain is developing in that environment, then 123 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: your amigdala, the alarm center in your brain, gets highly trained. 124 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: It gets primed to detect threat. And that's how God 125 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: has designed our brains to keepep us alive in difficult situations, 126 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: like if you see a snake, you don't have time 127 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: to process it, right, Like you need to be able 128 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: to you're Amigdala steps in and it sounds the alarm 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: and you get to safety. What happens is when you're 130 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: then in an environment where you no longer have to 131 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: be so hyper alert, our brain doesn't know that, and 132 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: so it can have these triggers, right that feel similar, 133 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: and then it creates these narratives, these stories in our brain, 134 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: some I think are stories that we told ourselves to 135 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: try to stay safe, to survive, and they might then 136 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: in a child's mentality, right, like we might be overcritical 137 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: because if I'm overcritical of myself, if I sit here 138 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: and I think about all of my negative things that 139 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: I've done wrong, then I'm gonna be less apt to 140 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: get in trouble. Or maybe we're like if I am 141 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: overthinking all what if situations, then maybe I can stay 142 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: in control and I can avoid this issue. But what 143 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: we learn with an adult brain, and what maybe for 144 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: our listeners, what you're learning now is we don't have 145 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: to be primed for threat. We don't have to be 146 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: constantly looking ahead because we have a God who is 147 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: with us and watching over us and protecting us and 148 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: love like your Pridecass's where his beloved right, he's the 149 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: perfect father. But also as to why it's difficult for Christians, 150 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: I would say it's difficult for everyone. But also there 151 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: is a spiritual component. And so we do have a 152 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: spiritual enemy who watches us very closely. He's been watching 153 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: us from the time we were born. He knows how 154 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: to get at us. He knows what cots to plant 155 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: in our head that can then snowball, and so part 156 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: of that, like for me, part of it is beginning 157 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: to recognize, oh, this is what he's doing here, This 158 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: is like, why do I feel this need? Like for me, 159 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: it might be rehashing relational conflict and if I allow 160 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: the devil to drive me and feed my thought, I'm 161 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: gonna do something to blow up a relationship. Like my thoughts, 162 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: You're going to get so out of control. I'm going 163 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: to overanalyze everything they said or they did, and I'm 164 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: gonna think, like make make assumptions on their intentions. So 165 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: I think you've got the spiritual component. I also think 166 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: I was just talking with a friend, and that's one 167 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: of the reasons I will say. So I told you 168 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: when you're on mic podcast, But I have watched your 169 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: videos and I watch you on Instagram. There's one of 170 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the reasons I really love your platform and your mission. 171 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: We have across the board a lot of I will 172 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: use like a churchy term, but biblical illiteracy, where we're 173 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: not being trained to really understand scripture, and so like 174 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: the verse I referenced, will read the verse, will hear 175 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: the verse, will say the verse, and expect like this 176 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: instant download, not recognizing like we've got to unpack it. 177 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: We've got to look at the full chapter what is 178 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: and if you follow, like as a roadmap. So I 179 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: think there's that, just this not understanding of how to 180 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: really access the piece and the joy we already have. 181 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: I also think for wee get there's a big I'm 182 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: really grieved right now by our culture. The I see 183 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: a huge wave of fear in the christ following community, 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,359 Speaker 1: which is very contrary to the Gospel, Like it's it's impossible, 185 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: it's ironic, or it's contradictory in one breath to say 186 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: I belong to an all powerful Savior who is sovereign 187 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: over the world, and then the world is falling apart, 188 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: like those two things don't come together. But I feel 189 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: like sometimes even in our churches that message, and there 190 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: can be a message on If we're in an environment 191 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: where the message is on behavior modification, we're probably going 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: to be more prone to rule following because that's a 193 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. If our morality and and our the 194 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: trajectory of our life is dependent on us in us 195 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: following rules in our behavior, that is overwhelming, and we're 196 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,359 Speaker 1: setting ourselves up for shame and failure. 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: Right, that can definitely just like spark even more anxiety. 198 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: I even think about the people who on in line 199 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: with biblical literacy, have this inaccurate view of God even 200 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: of like I need to get it right one hundred 201 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: percent of the time. I can't fail. I can't do 202 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: these things, and it just it breeds this performance anxiety, 203 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: which becomes a self talk anxiety and manifests itself in 204 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: so many different ways. Something that you talked about, just 205 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: like a moment or two ago even was like the 206 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: idea of like ruminating on like these relationships and over 207 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: analyzing and overthinking and spiraling. So I'm wondering what's the 208 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: difference between or how do we get to a place 209 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: of healthy reflection when it comes to circumstances we're in 210 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: genuine thoughts that we might be having. Maybe we are 211 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: stepping into a situation where it's like this feels like 212 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: worst case scenario. I actually need to like healthily reflect 213 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: on this thing versus a harmful rumination because I think 214 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: for me, even over the past two years, I really 215 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: had to learn how to scale back ruminating on certain 216 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: things and and actually learning how to healthily reflect but 217 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: also release to the Lord. 218 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: So what is the differ. 219 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: Between the two. How do we how do we move 220 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: from this like unhealthy rumination to a healthy reflection. 221 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when I always bring it back hopefully it's 222 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: not getting annoying. But to brain science because that plays 223 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: such nat oh, I love a huge part. And if 224 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: we look at our world right now, we are being 225 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: bombarded by things that just keep our brain hyper alert 226 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: and make so part of what goes on with our 227 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: brain when we ruminate, our brain is trying to keep 228 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: us safe. It's thinking that it has to keep alert 229 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: to all those things, and so we have to like 230 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: retrain it that. No, you don't have to for me. 231 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: When you're so when you're amigdala is triggered, it shuts 232 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: down or it disconnects your thinking brain, your cognitive center 233 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: in your brain, and so it's almost impossible when you're 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: in an overwhelmed state to begin to shift automatically. At 235 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: least for me, it can be really hard. So what 236 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: I am learning to do is when I'm feeling that 237 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: rising right, like when my gut is getting tight, or 238 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: when I'm feeling heavy, like if I feel things in 239 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: my someone as I'll feel things in my body before 240 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: I recognize what's going on in my head, and that's 241 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: a signal to me to one deep breathe, because I 242 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: need to calm myself and get my thinking brain back 243 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: online and just to sit in God's presence, and so 244 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: that can help me shift to Okay, how can I 245 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: process this now? What's going on through the lens of truth? 246 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,479 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a step we miss sometimes 247 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: is really connecting deeply with Christ. We want to get 248 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: straight to the truth, but then we're doing it ourselves right. 249 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: And the other thing I would suggest that is very 250 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: helpful to me is day It was a great example 251 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: if we just follow and I this morning, actually I 252 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: was reading Psalm sixty nine, and so he begins where 253 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, this is terrible. I'm the water 254 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: is up to my neck and everybody is against me 255 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: and my life is threatened, which it was all true. 256 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: But then he shifts and he says, made those who hope, 257 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: and you not be disgraced. And oh Lord Almighty he 258 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: one thing David is really was He calls God by 259 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: different names that really speak to his need, like Almighty 260 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: God or or Yahweh my personal God. And then he 261 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: always ends his so he presents his requests so many bad. 262 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: He expresses his emotions not to his neighbor, not to 263 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: his spouse, and I'm not saying those are bad things, 264 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: but we have to be careful who we're going to 265 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: for comfort. He expresses his emotions to God, so he 266 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: gets it all out, which then invites God into that space, 267 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: which is when we can begin to shift to truth. 268 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: And and I am convinced it's God's spirit working in 269 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: him that then shifts him to Ah, wait, yes, this 270 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: is really hard, but God, you promised good in my life. 271 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: I will see good in the land of the living. Yes, 272 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: there's a mighty army, which was true, like ancient Israel's 273 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: army was after him. The king at that time was 274 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: after him. Yes, there's this big army but there's the 275 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: creator of the universe who put the stars in place. 276 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: So I would say the difference is one we need 277 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: to bring God in and he shifts us to reflection 278 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: and we don't get stuck in so overthinking. One hallmark 279 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: often of overthinking is catastrophizing and snowballing. So we can 280 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: express our emotions, but we can't stay there. We when 281 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: we invite God in and then we begin to listen 282 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: as he brings his truce to mind, as he brings 283 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: reminders of times that he's been faithful, and he can begin. 284 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: He will begin when we're in his presence to shift 285 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: our perspective, and then it becomes a healthy like oh, 286 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: so here are once we begin to do that. When 287 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: we're in a crisis state, we can't see our brains, 288 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: cannot think of abc options, it's like it's nearly impossible. 289 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: But when we're sitting in God's presence and he calms 290 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: us and sues us like you talked about on our 291 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: podcast with your book like the Blanket of Hope, right, 292 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: and he begins to soothe and comfort us, and then 293 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: he begins to awaken our intellect. Scripture says we have 294 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: the mind of Christ. Right, and so he begins to 295 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: awaken our intellect so that we begin to see our 296 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: circumstances as he does. And he may say, Okay, I 297 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: need you to do A or B. Or he may say, 298 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, just sit and be still and then take 299 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: care of this. 300 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I even think like the difference between ruminating on 301 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: something versus reflecting is with rumination, you're just staying in 302 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: one place. 303 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: We're just thinking. 304 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: About catastrophizing the situation, the idea, the what if I 305 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: mean fill in the blank, You're just sitting on that. 306 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: But with reflection, it causes you to actually step back 307 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: and see things from like a further perspective. And with 308 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: the Christian worldview and mindset, reflection is I need to 309 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: put God's lens in front of me and see it, 310 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: see it through that type of glass. I need to 311 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: see it reflect off of the truth of God. What 312 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: is bouncing back what is not? And I think that's 313 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: that's just something practical we can even think of when 314 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: it comes to our thoughts. You know, am I sitting 315 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: instilling and stirring on this one place or am I 316 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: actually taking this step to step back and reflect. 317 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: On, Well, what does God have to say? 318 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: Who is God? Do I believe this? Why don't I believe? 319 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: Yes? 320 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: How do I arrive to this conclusion of having conviction 321 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: on the truth of who God is? There's there's a 322 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: deeper work that needs to take place rather than and 323 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: I love that you said this, just like rushing to 324 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: the truth, rushing to the conclusion, rushing to getting out 325 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: of this this spiral that we're in, but slowly stepping 326 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: back and taking time to to to take those thoughts 327 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: captive and bring them to the Lord. It's slowing it 328 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: down is something we have to do when spiraling, and 329 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: that could be hard, but that's the pace that we 330 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: have to move at because otherwise, if we just try 331 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: and rush to the next thing, we're gonna remain in 332 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: that in that flight and fight response. Truly. 333 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I like how you talked about like taking 334 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: a step back and cotton to behavioral therapists they have 335 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: they call putting your thoughts on trial. And so when 336 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: we're in that spiral, we're typically not pointing to truth, 337 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: and so we can stop and ask ourselves, like, let 338 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: me give an example. So I had a been deadline's 339 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: hit and I'm like, and I'm on vacation and I 340 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: want to be with my family and I'm and so 341 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: this is what's going on with my thought. I'm not going 342 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: to make like am I going to hurt my husband? 343 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: If I focus on my book right now? What if 344 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't get it? You know, all the things? Right? 345 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 346 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: But if I stop and say, okay, what is in 347 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: each thought? Like I can't take them all in a bundle, 348 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: but each thought, Okay, am I hurting my husband? 349 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: Well? 350 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: What what truth is that pointing to? Like and so 351 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: maybe in that instance, like, well, God will guide me, right, 352 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: he already knew what was going to happen, and He's 353 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: going to give me a way to be there with 354 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: my husband. Or or if we're catastrophizing about our job, 355 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: what truth is that? Or falsity is that pointing to 356 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm putting too much, too much power in the hand 357 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: of my employer, like and so therefore I'm making a unknowingly, 358 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: unintentionally making a proclamation on God that maybe he's not 359 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: truly sovereign. And so once we begin to say what 360 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: is what is this thought? What kind of proclamation is 361 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: it making up? Where what direction is it heading? Where's 362 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: it pointing me? And what does it say, if this 363 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: thought were true, what would that mean regarding God's character 364 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: and promises that can help us shift? Oh? Well, I 365 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: know God is all loving, I know he's sovereign. I 366 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: know he's going to guide me whether I turn to 367 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: the left or the right, he will say this is 368 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: the way walk in it. So I would say that's 369 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a big one too, when we're kind of stuck in 370 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: that place. 371 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: I love that you use the word proclamation there because 372 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: I think that could be such an a an actionable 373 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: step for people. Is today, if there is a thought 374 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: that you have been ruminating, if there has been some 375 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: anxious thought or I don't know, like an OCD thought, 376 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: something that just has not escaped your mind, I want 377 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: you to write that down today, and I want you 378 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: to ask that question, what is this proclaiming in my life? 379 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: What is this thought that I'm thinking proclaiming about what 380 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: I believe? Because it's the thing that we believe that 381 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: needs to be fixed. That is what's going to change 382 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: the thought, That's what's going to change our mind. That's 383 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: what's going to actually invite us to step into this 384 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: place of peace and rest and shalom with God. Is 385 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: by actually looking at well what is this proclaiming about 386 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: what I believe about my life, about the direction and 387 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: steps I'm taking. And that's not something to further ruminate on. 388 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: It's something to bring to the Lord and say, God, 389 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: will you help me with this? Because guess what, it's 390 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: not all on you to figure this out and to 391 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: unravel this this wired yarn mind that you have where 392 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: there's all these knots and kinks and things in it. 393 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: He will go in and help do the work of 394 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: unraveling the things that have been tangled up in your 395 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: brain for so long. But we do need to take 396 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: that step I think of taking the step back to 397 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: address and properly view it from his perspective of where 398 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: it went wrong, of where it got gnawted up, and 399 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: where we're still stuck. I have another question for you, Jennifer, 400 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: how does our identity in Christ, because I think that's 401 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: a huge part of it. Yeah, actually believing and clinging 402 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: to identity in Christ. How does our identity in Christ 403 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: change the way that we begin to process those anxious 404 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: and intrusive thoughts. Because once we start identifying with Christ, 405 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: being a new creation in Him, redeemed in Him, having 406 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: full access to Him, that does change how our mind works. 407 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think that's beautiful about your podcast, 408 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: because that's a process, right, especially if we come from 409 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: a place where maybe our earthly parents kind of just 410 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: implicitly program things in our brain, like maybe we develop 411 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: like lies and things. And so I'll give a little 412 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: example that I think helps explain this. We did foster 413 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: care for a while, and it was teenagers, and it 414 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: was dramatically different between what they would do when they 415 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: would get in a bind, or when they needed help 416 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: or when they had messed up, versus our daughter, who 417 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: we weren't a perfect family, but she knew she was loved, 418 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: She knew that our door was always open, she knew 419 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: that we always had her best in mind, and that 420 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: even if she didn't like things that we said, she 421 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: knew we're acting out of love and she trusted us, 422 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: and so she might get frustrated on occasion, but really 423 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: she would follow right and when she made when she 424 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: would make some mistakes, and she would tell us, she 425 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't hide them because she knew that like, even though 426 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: this is a big mistake, mom and Dad have my 427 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: best in mind. And so I think whereas with the 428 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: foster kids, when they would make a mistake, because all 429 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: kids do, all humans do. They would hide in shame, 430 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: they would get defensive, they would run away, like all 431 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: of these things, or if they would get in a 432 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: sticky place with school, or with friends or with there's 433 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things then in life life, and when 434 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: they would get in that place, they would shut down 435 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: or lash out, or use drugs or use alcohol, when 436 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: all the while we were there to navigate those things. 437 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: We have the resources they need needed, and we were 438 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: there to help them navigate through that. But they didn't. 439 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't they didn't trust us because and I think 440 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: this is really big, because you talk a lot about 441 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: going deep, right, they didn't trust us because they didn't 442 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: believe their worth. They didn't believe they were lovable and 443 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: worthy of rescue or help. And so I think that's 444 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: a big thing. And especially with God, it gets really 445 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: like we should think, like Lord, who am I right 446 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: that the God of the universe adopted me as his 447 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: beloved child? Like, yes, there is that, but that instead 448 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: of bringing us to shame, that should bring us to worship, 449 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: like you valued me. One of my favorite versus Isaiah 450 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: forty three four. Reason you know because you are precious 451 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: and honored in my sight. So I think when we 452 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: recognize that God is for us, that he's got the solution, 453 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: that he's not leaving us to navigate it on our own. 454 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: We are going to begin increasingly to shift our thoughts 455 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: off of And I'm gonna again mention when you talked 456 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: about on my podcast, it was so good when you 457 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: talk about hoping in God and not circumstances. And so 458 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: we will begin to learn to shift and that's in 459 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: your book as well, but to shift off of our 460 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: circumstances and shift onto God, and he won't let us 461 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: stay stuck. 462 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that, even with the example that you 463 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: gave of like you with your foster children, I can't 464 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: even imagine the circumstances that they came from and now 465 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: being adopted into or fostered into a family where there 466 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: is that safety. It's hard to differentiate. It's hard to differentiate, Well, 467 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: this parent is different and I'm just gonna trust that. 468 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: And maybe even for some of the people who are 469 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: listening today who struggle with these anxious thoughts and ruminate 470 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: on certain intrusive ideas or whatever, these things are showing 471 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: up symptomatically because of the people in their lives who 472 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: weren't safe, people who didn't teach them how to unravel 473 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: their thoughts and to think clearly and with a framework 474 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: of truth. And I just want to assure you all 475 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: today that, first of all, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that 476 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: if there was a person or a group of people 477 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: who have caused you to feel unsafe, even within you, 478 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: within your own mind, to spiral, I'm sorry. But I 479 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: also want to remind you that God is the safest person. 480 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: He is a good father, a perfect father even, and 481 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: we can come to him with all of these these 482 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 2: things that we're ruminating on, and we can entrust it 483 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: to him. But here's the thing. It's easy to say that, 484 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 2: but you have to do it in order to believe it. 485 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: So how can I'm wondering a person who's listening today, 486 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: what is one step that they can take today when 487 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: it comes to unraveling the anxious thoughts in their mind 488 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: and finding peace in God. What is one actionable step 489 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: that they can take today to begin that journey of 490 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: actually trusting God, finding safety in Him, and unpacking all 491 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: the clutter in their mind to begin to experience peace 492 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: in their life. 493 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, can I actually give two. They're easy, good, simple. Okay, 494 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: these are things that have had a profound impact in 495 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: my life. The first is, and I heard this from 496 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: Kyle Idlemans, so it's not my idea, but okay, when 497 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm lying in dead before I wake up, the first 498 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: five minutes and I'm going to I go by, you know, 499 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: five minutes. I don't know, but I thank God just 500 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: for everything. I'm just spending five minutes thanking God because 501 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: that orients my mind and my soul, and it begins 502 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: to train my brain as well to building new neural 503 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: pathways of gratitude and praise. And then when I a 504 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: nighttime is a big one for me, just due to 505 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: past stuff. And so when I'm struggling with fear like 506 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: fears and anxious thoughts just coming and coming and coming, 507 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: I just repeat. And I don't remember the maybe I 508 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: can put in the show Mosle Failure. I don't remember 509 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: the reference. It's in Isaiah. But you will keep in 510 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: perfect peace whose minds are stayed on you because they 511 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: trust in you. And so when I'm in that place, 512 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: I just repeat that over and over and over. And 513 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: what I'm doing is I'm reminding myself of where my 514 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: trust lies. I'm reminding myself that God is present, I'm 515 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: rewiring my brain, and I'm connecting with my Savior. And 516 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: that has been and it's one of those things. Both 517 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: of those practices, they're progressive, right, Like it's not like 518 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: I one day I read my Bible and I have 519 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: this robust, deep intimate relationship with the Lord and here 520 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: is voice readily. I have to do those little steps 521 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: and trust if I am faithful over time to implement. 522 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: So I've been doing both of those practices, I want 523 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: to say, for about six months now, and it's been 524 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: it's been really helpful. But again it's it's it's a 525 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: practice that is training me to orient my soul to 526 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: Christ rather than my problems in my circumstances. That's so good. 527 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: I hear so many people who keep like gratitude journals, 528 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: and honestly, if you told me that, like a couple 529 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: of years ago, I probably would have been like, Okay, 530 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm grateful for the air that I breathe. Right, But 531 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: it's like when you actually get down to the nitty 532 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: gritty of like what you can be thankful for with God. 533 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: That's something my husband and I have really been implementing. 534 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 2: Especially him, He's really been on me about it. He's like, 535 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: you need to show more gratitude in your life because 536 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: it's easy for me to like cling to the worst 537 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 2: case scenario of things and to just ruminate on that 538 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: and ruminate on that. And he's like, first of all, 539 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: give that to God like you are making. You are 540 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: making it and magnifying it to be so much bigger 541 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: than it is in your life. Give it to God. 542 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: You're gonna see how small it is in his hand. 543 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: But secondly, when you have not just an attitude of gratitude, 544 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: but the discipline of it, it really does cause you 545 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: to think differently and then to analyze things differently to 546 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: your point of just the neuroscience of a Yeah, So 547 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: I think that's a great step is to maybe today 548 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: you just need to sit down and as well as 549 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: analyzing your thoughts and what it is that you're proclaiming, 550 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: what are some things that you're actually thankful for that 551 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: God is doing in your life. Because focusing on those things, 552 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: that is bound to reinstate a sense of peace in 553 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: your life because He is blessing you, he is moving, 554 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: he is working, he is present, he is in control, 555 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: even in the smallest degree, the things that you brush 556 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: off that someone else is praying for on the other 557 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: side of the world, you know. So there's so much 558 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: to be grateful for. There's so many things that instigate 559 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: peace in our mind and can reshape and rewire. We 560 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: could go on and on and on about these things, 561 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: but are there any last I don't know things that 562 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: you want to share encouragement that you have for people. 563 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: I would just love to leave the floor upen too 564 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: you before we before we close. 565 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Well, I just love how you're constantly pointing listeners just 566 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: to connecting with Christ. Because the truth is he knows 567 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: specifically what is causing our overthinking and he will meet 568 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: us in it. And I would just encourage people. It 569 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: takes time to hear his voice. It particularly takes time 570 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: to hear his voice when you're overwhelmed. But you said 571 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: earlier like he takes full I'm going to end actually 572 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: with a passage that meant a lot to me when 573 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: I was really struggling through like my own therapy journey, 574 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: and it's from John chapter two, when Jesus overturned the temples. 575 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I sensed God saying to 576 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: me in that moment. I what sometimes we don't know 577 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: the lies that are lurking deep in our hearts. Like 578 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: we can cognitive like I know God is good and loving, 579 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: and but when crises come and then they pop up, 580 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: and I was really struggling with wanting to trust him 581 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: more and wanting to love him and wanting to receive 582 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: his love. And so He's brought me to that passage 583 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: and the one thing so I'm just going to get 584 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: a little what was going on is this was during Passover. Everybody, 585 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: it was one of the celebrations, one of the festivals 586 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: where all the Jews had to come to temple. So 587 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: Jerusalem was just wronged with people. Well, what was also 588 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: going on is they had people in the market or 589 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: in the temple courts that were selling things and probably 590 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: defrauding the people. But that wasn't what he spoke to 591 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: me in that when I was reading that passage. Yeah, 592 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: they were. Actually these people were camped out in the 593 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: one place where gentiles could come to encounter God. So 594 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: they were getting in the way of these people encountering God. Now, 595 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: notice Jesus didn't say to the gentiles, I want you 596 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: to plow through and I want you to clear out 597 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: the temples so that you can get to me. He 598 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: took responsibility, and he's like, these are barriers between the 599 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: gentiles and my father. I'm going to take care of it. 600 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: And so what if he was saying to me, as 601 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: long as I kept pursuing him, he was going to 602 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: take care of all of these things that hinder me 603 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: from fully experiencing the peace that He's called me to. 604 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: And I thought life is a big part of that. 605 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: So I would just encourage listeners, no matter how weak 606 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: you feel, no matter what you feel like you're up against, 607 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: no matter how weak your faith, no matter your doubts 608 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: and your questions, just keep turning to God, whether you're 609 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: venting at him, crying out to him, just sitting with him. 610 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: You don't know what to say, just keep turning to God. 611 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: He will do the rest. That's so good. I love that. 612 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: I really really love that he spoke that to you, 613 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: because that is that's beautiful. God will remove those hinderances, 614 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: but we need to invite him in and give him 615 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: permission to move those things, yes, that we don't even 616 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: realize might be hindering us, or that our idols in 617 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 2: our life that were clinging to as a false sense 618 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: of comfort. I mean it could be a whole, It 619 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 2: could be a whole. Yeah, list of things. Well, Jennifer, 620 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: thank you for taking the time to be here on 621 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: the podcast today, for encouraging everyone. Where can people check 622 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 2: out your podcast? We recorded in an episode and I'll 623 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: link that down below. But where can people follow you 624 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: and stay up to day with everything that you're doing. 625 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will probably just say you can just google 626 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: my Jennifer Slattery and it'll either take you to my 627 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: website or my podcast and or go in the show notes. 628 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll put it there. But everything should be 629 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: you can connect with me. I'm the Cost of Faith 630 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: over Fear, so we drop every Tuesday and then I'm 631 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: Friday's host of the year Daily Bible Verse. So if 632 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: you want, that's a really easy way to get scripture. 633 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: It's eight minutes a day while you're driving to and 634 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: from work. It's more of an ex It's more of 635 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: a where we dig deep. It's not as much devotional. 636 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: It's like, what does excerg say? 637 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 2: What we're diving in into it? 638 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: I love it, yes, yes, So I would encourage that, 639 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: and I love connecting with people on social media, or 640 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: you can reach out particularly, I will give an invite. 641 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: If this is something you're just really really struggling with, 642 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: you can reach out to me with my website. If 643 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: you don't yet know Jesus and you're like, you know, 644 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: I really want this, hope, I don't understand what that means, 645 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: reach out to me. I have a bab a conversation 646 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: with you as well. 647 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well, thank you, Jennifer, thank you for being here. 648 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for the work that you're doing over on 649 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: your podcast and all your social outlets and just all 650 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: the things you're doing with your newsletters and your books, 651 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: just a million things. And to all of you who 652 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: took time to listen to today's episode, I really do hope 653 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: that this is blessed you. I pray that it alleviated 654 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: some of the anxiety, the intrusiveness, the overbearingness that sometimes 655 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: our thoughts can have on us. And I'm hoping that 656 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 2: this this just gives you a pathway to finding peace 657 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 2: in your life with the Lord. But until next time, 658 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 2: I love you, guys, and I'll see you here next 659 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: week for another episode on Botton Beloved. But until then, 660 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: love you bye for more life giving faith based podcast 661 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: just like this one. Check out lifeaudio dot com, a 662 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: proud partner of The Bottonbeloved podcast