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Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

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Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You

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Speaker 1: As young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

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Speaker 1: Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter.

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Speaker 1: Go Start at turning point you would say high school chapter.

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Speaker 1: Go find out how your church can get involved.

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Speaker 2: Sign up and become an activist.

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Speaker 1: I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade,

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Speaker 1: most important decision I ever made in my life, and

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Speaker 1: I encourage you to do the same. Here I am.

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Speaker 2: Lord, Use me.

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Speaker 2: I almost feel like we don't even need these speakers,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess, I guess the the av guys

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Speaker 3: My uh second event to ASU actually, first event we

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Speaker 3: So this is Blake's first ever like turning point speaking

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Speaker 5: So you have it up for Blake, net You guys

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Speaker 5: Five years ago, six years ago, we had rampant censorship

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Speaker 7: New Charlie Kirk, So I'm sorry for your loss. So anyway,

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Speaker 7: I am a history major here at Asu and because

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Speaker 7: you know, a lot of people aren't interested in dwelling

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Speaker 7: on the past.

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Speaker 2: But because I'm a history major.

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Speaker 7: I am so, Jack Pasomich, I've read that you before,

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Speaker 7: have that you have defended Henro Lissimo Francisco Franco, who

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Speaker 7: is the deal of Spain from nineteen thirty six to

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Speaker 7: nineteen seventy five. You so you believe like he was

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Speaker 7: a crusader who saved Spain from communism?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? He certainly did so. Then do you

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Speaker 2: think that leads me to three questions?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 7: Do you think it was necessary for him to space

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Speaker 7: in order to save Spain from communism? To have the

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Speaker 7: Nazi Luftwaffe leveled the city of Gernica to the ground

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Speaker 7: and kill thousands of civilians just to take the city

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Speaker 7: from Basque Catholic Basque nationalists who only wanted autonomy for

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Speaker 7: their nation. Do you think it was necessary to save

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Speaker 7: Spain for communism in order for them to execute or

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Speaker 7: imprison indigenous Basques, Catalans and Galicians who were simply speaking

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Speaker 7: their native languages or practicing their cultures. I mean, do

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Speaker 7: you think it was necessary for him, in order to

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Speaker 7: save Spain from Communism to abolish the Democratic Republic and

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Speaker 7: make himself dictator for life and keep Spain until his

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Speaker 7: death under this stifling dictatorship.

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Speaker 2: Where there was what little progress.

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Speaker 7: Did happen only benefited the e and it's very strict

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Speaker 7: traditional society, because I don't.

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Speaker 2: Under more than just little progress.

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Speaker 3: It was known as the Spanish Miracle of well of

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Speaker 3: the economic progress was tremendous, but.

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Speaker 2: It benefited mainly the elite.

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Speaker 7: But I don't understand how you can celebrate free speech

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Speaker 7: will supporting this dictator who banned entire languages. And in

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Speaker 7: one instance, and I will show anyone, I'll email anyone

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Speaker 7: if you want to know where I read this that

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Speaker 7: in one of his police officers once executed a taxi

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Speaker 7: driver simply because he gave him directions in Catalan. So

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Speaker 7: if this is the model, if Franco Spain is the

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Speaker 7: new rights model, then I don't want nothing to do

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Speaker 7: with that.

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Speaker 2: Well, have I said that's the model for America? Well? Ever, no,

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Speaker 2: but some people have.

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Speaker 3: Although your position is that you asked about what I've said.

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Speaker 7: Right, I apologize. I don't want to straw man you.

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Speaker 7: But your position is that he saved Spain from communism.

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Speaker 7: Certainly necessary for him to do all those.

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Speaker 3: I noticed Spain from there was a civil war, Spanish

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Speaker 3: Civil War, and I noticed you mentioning, you know, certain

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Speaker 3: things that happen on one side of that war, but

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Speaker 3: you haven't mentioned anything about what the communists were doing

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Speaker 3: in the first place that led to the civil war

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Speaker 3: to kicking off.

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Speaker 7: Well, while there were communists and anarchists on the Republican side,

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Speaker 7: it was mostly if you look at the results of

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Speaker 7: the nineteen thirty six Congression election, it was mostly liberals

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Speaker 7: and socialists and moderate socialists who wanted a democratic republic.

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Speaker 7: And I just don't you know you can and even

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Speaker 7: if even build people on the Republican side did do

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Speaker 7: horrible things, I don't see how that justifies all of

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Speaker 7: the horrible things. Franco didn't trying to eliminate these looks

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Speaker 7: they were, it's like the Basque counting.

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Speaker 3: Things like things like smashing churches, things like murdering priests,

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Speaker 3: things like raping nuns on the altars and then taking

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Speaker 3: their dead bodies and parading them in the town square.

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Speaker 2: I have photos if you'd like to see.

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Speaker 3: And all of these absolute atrocities which were going on throughout.

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Speaker 2: Spain, which you didn't seem to mention.

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Speaker 7: Well, I agree, I agree that all that is wrong,

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Speaker 7: but I don't understand how any of that can justify

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Speaker 7: leveling Gernica or all the other things that I mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Again, it was a civil war.

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Speaker 7: Well, but the banning of all those cultures that happened

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Speaker 7: after the civil war.

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Speaker 3: Again, it was a civil war. There was a situation

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Speaker 3: that he led. And again I've never once said that

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Speaker 3: America should be like Franco Spain. Just people have tried

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Speaker 3: to put words in my mouth and say that I've

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Speaker 3: said that, never said that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, sorry, I didn't mean to straw Man you. No, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily saying that you said that.

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Speaker 3: But there are people who have tried to say that.

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Speaker 3: I've just never said it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 7: So, but even after the Civil War, I was still

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Speaker 7: illegal for people from those groups to speak their languages

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Speaker 7: and practice their cultures. I mean, why in the name

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Speaker 7: of national unity, why was that? I mean, do you

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Speaker 7: think that was okay?

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Speaker 3: Well, Spain is a totally different history than the United States.

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Speaker 3: So their their history in terms of maintaining their their culture,

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Speaker 3: their heritage, maintaining their territorial integrity, it's totally different from

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Speaker 3: our culture of so they have a culture for that

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Speaker 3: had to deal with the occupation of the Muslims, the

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Speaker 3: occupation of the Moors, and who they fought against for

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Speaker 3: almost one thousand, seven hundred years to be able to

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Speaker 3: expel and then maintain their territorial and cultural identity. And

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Speaker 3: so in that context, I'm sure that's what they were

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Speaker 3: operating under. But the United States of America has a

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Speaker 3: totally different system than Spain. We are not Spain. We

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Speaker 3: don't hopefully are not going to be speaking Spanish as

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Speaker 3: our national language anytime soon. But of course, you see

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Speaker 3: the way things are going that might happen or at

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Speaker 3: least as a as a you know, quasi secondary language,

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Speaker 3: and so I wouldn't necessarily say that the things done

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Speaker 3: within the Spanish context are things that we should do

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Speaker 3: here in the American context, just because they're two totally

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Speaker 3: different situations.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much, thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Which name? My name is Johnny dirikin Johnny Space. We'll

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Speaker 4: That's awesome student, you know, with the events of Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk and sort of the you know, organization of Turning.

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Speaker 2: Point and it's sort of place in America. I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's good that you guys are out here debating

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Speaker 4: and putting on a platform for free speech. Of course,

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Speaker 4: so I do have a question about the organization itself, though,

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Speaker 4: which should be fair game hopefully.

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Speaker 2: So full disclosure.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I are either of us actual Turning

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Speaker 5: Point emplays I am. I am an employee of the

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Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk Show. So I can't speak formally for Turning Point.

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 5: I know many people there, I have an extensive relationship,

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Speaker 5: but I can't.

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Speaker 2: Speak I'm for we know things about turn we know

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Speaker 2: things you know. I'm question.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Turning Point contributor. But what like you're saying,

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Speaker 3: another was a Turning Point officials, So if you're asking

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Speaker 3: us about specific decisions, we may not have as much detail,

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Speaker 3: but you know, please please fire.

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Speaker 4: Away the general Yeah, like there's been videos of Turning Points. Now,

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Speaker 4: CEO Erica Kirk have surface of her in CIA training videos.

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Speaker 2: You could you could look it up on your phone.

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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan talked about it. It's been all over the place.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna be skeptical. Well, I'm not skeptical. I

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Speaker 2: just I'll let you finish the question. You can look

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 4: It's clear as day. This is from before her meeting

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Speaker 4: Charlie and after Charlie's unfortunate you know, demise. Something else

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Speaker 4: was scrubbed off of Turning Points Internet, which was Paul Valley,

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Speaker 4: who is a co author of Mind War with the

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Speaker 4: pedophile Satanist general Michael Achino. He was positioned as chair

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Speaker 4: of the board and that was since removed from Turning

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Speaker 4: Points website.

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Speaker 2: You can look at as chair of Turning Point Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you could. You could just google Paul Valelly. I have

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Speaker 2: to check that out. Yeah, I'd have to check that out.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I can't right now. I couldn't tell you

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Speaker 2: the composition.

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Speaker 5: I can't tell you the position that composition of Turning

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Speaker 5: Points board.

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Speaker 2: What I can tell you is saying.

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Speaker 4: It was removed after Charlie's unfortunate demise.

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Speaker 3: It was so you're saying he was on the on

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Speaker 3: the site or is there a video about it?

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Speaker 2: It was on the site and then it was removed

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Speaker 2: from Okay, So I was just.

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Speaker 4: Wondering, like, do these connections warrant deeper investigation given the

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Speaker 4: circumstances of Charlie's actual violent murder and death. And then

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Speaker 4: he was sort of speaking out against the current Iran

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Speaker 4: war before Well, well, so he was, you know, against

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Speaker 4: it theoretically right, and so.

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Speaker 5: So hold on, are you suggesting that if Erica Kirk

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Speaker 5: was in Erica FRANCEBA was in a CIA related video,

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Speaker 5: that's evidence that she was involved in a plot to

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Speaker 5: have Charlie murdered.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I just said that, why did

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Speaker 2: you mention it?

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Speaker 4: Well, let me get let me get there, let me

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Speaker 4: finish it. So I mean to my understanding of narrative control.

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Speaker 4: You know, the pedophile ring scandal of the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're just talking about what the communists we're doing,

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Speaker 4: you know, raping people on church stages and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Where there's a mind war pedophile Satanist general Michae Laquino,

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Speaker 4: who is you know, writing you know, significant psychological operations

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Speaker 4: books that are influencing us today here now, So the

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Speaker 4: question is if he was vocally opposed to this war,

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Speaker 4: and you know before the easy label of conspiracy gets

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Speaker 4: thrown out, like just google the things right now, because

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to like entertain being called.

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Speaker 2: A conspiracy theorists is like clear as day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like my question is is it smart to

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Speaker 4: put these people front and center for turning Point.

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Speaker 2: Right after you know, a violent assassination. Now saying that.

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Speaker 4: You know, CIA is pro war, right, this is a

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Speaker 4: group that has a following of young Republicans and conservatives,

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Speaker 4: you know, being on campus doing debates. So there's obviously

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Speaker 4: a vested interest in large groups and.

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Speaker 2: Accounts and narrative control at the CIA.

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Speaker 4: So if Erica Kirk is actually someone who was working

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Speaker 4: for the CIA, there's no former CIA people.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's still working for the agency.

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Speaker 4: The question is, you know, should they be front center

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Speaker 4: at turning Point in your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with this by the way.

665
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Speaker 3: So so Blake, this is your first event and just

666
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: permit me if you will. I think this helped answer

667
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: your quest. Maybe you help answer your question or at

668
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: least give some insight. Blake, this is your first you.

669
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Know, pick up the mic.

670
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: Anytimes you stood next to Charlie number of times, but.

671
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Never done it before.

672
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: Has anyone prior to you coming up here told you

673
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: anything about what you have to say and what you

674
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: can't say. Nope, any like, not even just a turning

675
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: point anyone in general. Nope, same way for me, there

676
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: hasn't been. And and I did z Erica, you know,

677
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: earlier today, and you just said good luck, you know, basically, So,

678
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: I mean, there isn't really a set up. You talk

679
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: about narrative formation, that nobody really was. So if I

680
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: was doing narrative formation, and I am a prior intelligence

681
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: officer that you know, I would make sure I would

682
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: make sure that I would say to my subjects, Hey,

683
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, make sure you plug this thing, this thing,

684
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: this thing, make sure you say this about Iran, make

685
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: sure you say this about the war, make sure you

686
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: say this about the president, et cetera. If I were,

687
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: you know, running that kind of operation, it's just we don't.

688
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: We've just never done that. They said the event, here

689
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: you go, here's the room, here's the mics, have at it,

690
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: and that was pretty much it. So if you're running

691
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: a syop like that, you want to make sure that

692
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: you're hitting those repetition points over and over and over.

693
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: Yet that's just that's just not something that was done. Look,

694
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: you know, I know there's different pieces of media that

695
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: Erica did when you know she was working as you know,

696
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: she was in in media and she was doing you know,

697
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: different contracts.

698
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: With little people.

699
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: People do different you know, people take different contracts. It's

700
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: when you're you know, when you're in that world, and

701
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: you know, I think that you know, she did obviously

702
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: different things.

703
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: You know, I know a lot.

704
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: Of people that have you know, tried to be actresses

705
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: and stars and different things, and you know, they take

706
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: different contracts.

707
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of you know what you get.

708
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Speaker 5: I want to I want to get to the crux

709
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: of it, which is but but that's not and yeah,

710
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 5: to get to the rucks of it.

711
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: That just because you do a contract job for somebody

712
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: at one point you just look up IMDb on any

713
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: but even even.

714
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Speaker 2: For I am actually in a Jackie Chance, but even

715
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Speaker 2: from dB.

716
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Speaker 5: So you asked why if it was wise to put

717
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 5: Erica front and center at the organization. The reason Erica

718
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 5: is front and center at turning point is because when

719
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, Charlie, we're worried something

720
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: will happen to people. Always speculated that something could happen

721
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 5: to Charlie, and when he was asked he would he

722
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: would First of all, he was totally fearless. He would

723
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: just say, like, oh, it'll be fine, Erica will take

724
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 5: over for me. That is what he said over and over.

725
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 5: I saw them interact all the time, almost on a

726
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 5: daily basis. Even when he was traveling, he was calling

727
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 5: her all the time. He was talking to her all

728
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 5: the time. Charlie and Erica were partners. They were husband

729
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 5: and wife in a deep way. Their marriage was incredibly admirable.

730
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of marriages. Some of them are good,

731
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: some of them are bad. Charlie and Erica's was exceptional.

732
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 5: They were on the same wavelength. I saw how much

733
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 5: that relationship.

734
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

735
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 5: Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in

736
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: the wake of it, I saw how much everything he'd

737
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 5: done meant to her, and how completely committed she was

738
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 5: to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life

739
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 5: that she knew. The life I thought I was going

740
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 5: to live has changed v area abruptly, But I am

741
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know

742
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: it's what I have to do for my husband and

743
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: for his legacy. That is the reason she was put

744
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 5: front and center, and she hasn't really she has become

745
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 5: the CEO of the organization because that is what Charlie wanted.

746
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 5: And it's because I saw it with all the people

747
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 5: who were senior at Turning Point. There wasn't even a

748
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: question that that is what would happen. There was no

749
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: one forcing this. There is no one pressuring it to happen.

750
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 5: This is what everyone at Turning Point wanted to happen.

751
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 5: But the mind War Paul Valelli connection.

752
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 4: To US Army psychological operations is more to the point

753
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: where the CIA and Erica Kirk being hired by the

754
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: CIA before meeting Charlie in a media you know, a

755
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: media outfit of his own founding right where you know,

756
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 4: it's a war of the words out there, so to speak.

757
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 5: Are there words that you believe she's used that are

758
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 5: completely different from what Charli would advocate. I have never

759
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 5: seen such a thing, not at all, or like for example,

760
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 5: we've continued the Charlie Kirk Show and we've talked about

761
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 5: the war, and I don't think we've taken a pro

762
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 5: war attitude on our program, and I don't think we've

763
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 5: ever faced any pressure on that front, whether from Erica,

764
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: from Turning Point, or from the government. And I think

765
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: in truth like it's been very up Like, yeah, like

766
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 5: it's been I'll be frank, it's been very upsetting for

767
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: me to run into insinuations and allegations like this, because Jack,

768
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 5: if you and I want to have to borrow this

769
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 5: to get into it, like.

770
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: I didn't make any allegations against you, well I'm not.

771
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 5: Saying you did, but a lot of people have used

772
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 5: the things you mentioned to do it. And I've seen

773
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 5: people incredibly close to Charlie that he cared about, and

774
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: who I knew cared a lot about Charlie face a

775
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 5: lot of bizarre harassment in these months since then, in

776
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: a period where they're trying to build on what Charlie did,

777
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: they've been trying to grieve themselves, and they've had to

778
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: deal with people nitpicking how they behaved after someone was.

779
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: Shot to death right in front of them.

780
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 5: They've been nitpicking publicly what these yes publicly while they

781
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: were there in front of them.

782
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: I was there, I was ten feet away from it

783
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: when it happened.

784
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 5: And I've been blessed in that I haven't been harassed

785
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 5: nearly as many as some of the people I've known.

786
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: But I find it, I find it detestable what some

787
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 5: people have done because Jack, you and I can attest

788
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: it because we've looked at it as closely as anyone,

789
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: that we are very confident that.

790
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: They have the right person in this case? Are we not?

791
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: My mic has been it is mess So no, I

792
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: totally agree that when you follow the evidence, that the

793
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: evidence points.

794
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: To Tyler Robinson. It just points to him.

795
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: That there's the one thing that I can't get by,

796
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: not even to get into all the which I could

797
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: to go through the forensic evidence.

798
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: But the the and the.

799
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: You know, obviously the physical evidence, but the fact matter

800
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: as a father, right, the fact that it was his

801
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: own parents, his own mom and dad that turned in

802
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson.

803
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: And he didn't ask about Tyler.

804
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna talk about it anyway, that as a dad,

805
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: you know, to pick up the phone in a situation

806
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: like that and to call someone in law enforcement that

807
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 3: you know had been a friend of yours and say, hey,

808
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: I think that's my son that did that horrible thing

809
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: in a situation where you've got the President the United States.

810
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: Calling for the death penalty.

811
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: You obviously see the situation, you know how bad it's

812
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 3: going to be, and in the face of all that,

813
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 3: you still pick up the phone and turned in your

814
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: own son. It's it's one of the most admirable things

815
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: I've seen anyone do. It's it's incredible. It gives me

816
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: so much hope for America and so much hope for

817
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: our society and the system.

818
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: As we talked about, Wow, not a black pillar.

819
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: And and I'll just say it from my own perspective

820
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: as a dad, I don't know if I could do

821
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 3: that for my own son. I don't know if I

822
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: could do that to turn in my own son. But

823
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: that man did.

824
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: And because he.

825
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: Did that, and it wasn't the FBI that that quant

826
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson, and it wasn't the local police, and nothing

827
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: against them, it's just this is how it happened.

828
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 5: They put out a photo, his mom saw it, his

829
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 5: dad made the phone call, and I just I've never

830
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 5: talked to them directly, but you know, if I did,

831
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: I would just say praying for you, guys, Praying for you.

832
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: As as much as I hope anyone else is because

833
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't even imagine what you're going through.

834
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Thank you for your question, and thank you very much,

835
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: thank you. No, it's a good question. It was a

836
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: good question. That was a great question. Let's keep them going.

837
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: No, that we could talk about it. No, it's it's

838
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: it's you know, we're chopping it up. That's what it's

839
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: all about.

840
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 11: Considering that you guys are a conservative organization, yes, sir, we've.

841
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: Been called that. Assume that you guys are supportive of

842
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: the current administration. Would that be correct generally?

843
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 5: Yes, Well, technically turning point cannot endorse it can't.

844
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right right.

845
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: We are a conservative or yet we are in alignment

846
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: with a very large share of the president's Legally, we

847
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 5: have to.

848
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: Say since we're at the you know, the student event,

849
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: that we're not endorsing.

850
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, of course.

851
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, do you guys probably support the cabinet picks?

852
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: I do? Yeah? Do you I.

853
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 5: Support them to the extent they've delivered on what they promised,

854
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 5: which is, you know, whether the danged secretary is Christy

855
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: Nome or Mark Wayne Mullen. Now, as long as they

856
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: are keeping the border secured, which they did. As long

857
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 5: as they are deporting illegal migrants, if they're clamping down

858
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 5: on all the other ways people have illegally come in

859
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 5: this country and.

860
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: Kept it secure, I like it.

861
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth unconventional secretary of warpick to say the least.

862
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: But if he is putting merit first in the military

863
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 5: instead of you know, gender equity and all the other

864
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 5: types of equity that they've prioritized in the military under

865
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 5: the Biden.

866
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Years, then he has my support.

867
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 5: When the FBI is putting investigating actual terrorists first, actual criminals,

868
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 5: actual evildoers instead of sending agents into Latin masses to

869
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 5: see if they're doing anything untoward when they say a potternoster,

870
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 5: I'm in support of that. And I think markco Ruby

871
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 5: has been an excellent Secretary of State. I know several

872
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: people in the administration and I've been very impressed with

873
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: what they've been able to do.

874
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: And so I feel like there's more to your question now, Yeah,

875
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: sous specific people here where.

876
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, obviously you have cash Battel and Pambondi that were

877
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 11: pasked with right unredacting and releasing the Epstein file.

878
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: We have zero perpetrators that have been arrested.

879
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 11: Would you feel like that's a cover up when one

880
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 11: of the filest names that they had seven perpetrators that

881
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 11: they knew assisted.

882
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, look, this is.

883
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Something I've said publicly a number of times that I

884
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: think that the way that that was handled was was

885
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: it was mishandled.

886
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: It was obviously mishandled.

887
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: And the whole thing they did with you know, handing

888
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: me this binder and.

889
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: Saying, oh, here's the Epstein you.

890
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Know files, and it was all just stuff that had

891
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: already been public and then you know, we don't find

892
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: out until we get a chance to go through it

893
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: later on that if they had just come out initially

894
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: and said these are the files, we can get everything out,

895
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: we can put it all out right now, then I

896
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: think they would be in a much better position than

897
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: they have been now. And in fact, I'm going to

898
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: be interviewing the working on it. I'm not going to

899
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: say it just yet, but working on interviewing a senior

900
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: official at DOJ specifically about this, hopefully fingers crossed later

901
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: this week, and I'm going to ask him those same

902
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: questions because it's something we'll look When I talked to

903
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: when we go to I was just at Liberty University

904
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: now here we are. It's when I talk to young

905
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: voters or young students that one of the number one

906
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: questions I get isn't.

907
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Iran, it's not farm Wars, it's Jeffrey Epstein. Where the

908
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: arrests all long.

909
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: And that's something that we called for at the last

910
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: turning point event that we ended up holding.

911
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: With Charlie, which was the Student Action Summit down in

912
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: his Tampa.

913
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 5: Right, And I remember you probably remember behind the scenes too,

914
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 5: just that was all blowing up, and Charlie was he

915
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 5: was a very one of his best traits is he

916
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: was stopped talking to the grassroots and he would take

917
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 5: an honest freet of the grassroots and all the way

918
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: to the White House to the President. And Yeah, some

919
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 5: of them got very angry because he was saying, people

920
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 5: are very upset about this, and they got mad at him.

921
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: He says, too bad, they're still really upset at you guys.

922
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 3: So we've we've at this point, right, having gone through

923
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: everything that we went through to get the files, that

924
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: at least we do have the files now. Personally, like

925
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: I said, I wish they'd come out day one week

926
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: one put.

927
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: It all out, or if you have to go through

928
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: it and put it out weekly.

929
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, he should have been should have been sooner.

930
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: Obviously he can't change the past on that. But I

931
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: would love to see arrests. I would absolutely love to

932
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: see arrests in the UK. Right they got arrest for

933
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: the well, it was Prince Andrew. I guess they took

934
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: his title away and he was arrested.

935
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: They got rid. They had to drop their what's.

936
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Speaker 3: The guy's name again, mandelssoon Lord Mandalsson, Lord Mandelson had

937
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: to get dropped out of their cabinet. I don't know

938
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Speaker 3: if he's been arrested, but it was a part of

939
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: this insider trading thing.

940
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Speaker 2: And there's been a number of instances where we've seen.

941
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: Again and again and again that it seemed like Jeffrey

942
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 3: Epstein had this influence over his rich.

943
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: Friends slash, you know, clients.

944
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: Some might say that certainly to my mind, requires criminal scrutiny.

945
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 11: So it seems like we're all in agreement we want

946
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 11: them prosecuted, but we do disagree a bit on what

947
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 11: sufficient disclosure.

948
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 5: I would say, I would first of all point out

949
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 5: that we have more Epstein transparency now by about two

950
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: orders of magnitude maybe than we we're not saying.

951
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: Sufficient they've done that. There's been no accountability.

952
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 5: Like think about the fact that Bill gay, it's one

953
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 5: of the ten richest people in the world, is profoundly

954
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 5: humiliated right now. He's basically socially ruined by everything that's

955
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 5: come out. The richest man in the world, Elon Musk,

956
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 5: he got embarrassed by what came out of the files

957
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 5: because of the exchanges he was having with Epstein's team.

958
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 5: I believe the General Council of Goldman Sachs, I think

959
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 5: got forced out of his job. That's a pretty elite position.

960
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 5: What I would say, And you know what the President

961
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 5: warned about. What the President warned about when this was

962
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: all ramping up last summer, is if you just release

963
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: everything in a blanket way, there are going to be

964
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 5: people who are going to be assumed guilty of crimes

965
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 5: who aren't guilty of of anything. And I think that's

966
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 5: been born out because there is an element where people

967
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 5: have just demanded anyone whose name has appeared in.

968
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: This should be arrested.

969
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 5: I firmly believe, yeah, if you can a specific person

970
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 5: who abused a specific other person or engage in truly

971
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 5: illegal behavior that's been alleged.

972
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: They should be prosecuted, they should be arrested.

973
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: But I would always encourage people to look closely at

974
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 5: what is actually proven in anything that's happened, because I

975
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: don't follow this as aggressively as some people, but I've

976
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 5: seen it happen over and over where oh, a photo

977
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 5: comes out and just because one of the faces has

978
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: blurred out, they'll say, oh, this is this person with

979
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 5: their victim, with no evidence that this person was a minor,

980
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: was trafficked, that there was any sexual relationship.

981
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: Of any kind. And you can't run a country that way.

982
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 5: You can't run a country through insinuations, through guilt by association.

983
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: You have to actually prove things.

984
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 5: And I think as much as it's embarrassing to the

985
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: world's elites that they were all just friends with this guy,

986
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: who we can all agree is very gross, we do

987
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 5: have to be careful before we jump from that to

988
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 5: mass arrests. For everybody that sounds.

989
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: Cathartasity and now I'm gonna start disagreement.

990
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: I do want mass arrests.

991
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: But when Bill Clinton started looking at some of those pictures,

992
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 3: you guys saw this right. When he was looking at

993
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: those pictures, you could see Old Bill had that like

994
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: wistful look.

995
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: In his eye where he's like he's like, oh yeah,

996
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: that was oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember that fashioned.

997
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: I think Bill get should just go to jail for

998
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: perjury back and.

999
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Billgates to Biligates should go to jail for

1000
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: Windows Vista.

1001
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: He should definitely go to jail for Windows Vista. Then

1002
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: can we all agree on that at least? Yeah?

1003
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's it's something where look, at the

1004
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: end of the day, I think we need to understand that,

1005
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: you know, we talk about these questions of policy in

1006
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: our country.

1007
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: I'll take it to a higher level.

1008
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: I guess we talk about these questions of war, like

1009
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: the gentleman was just asking of war, of diplomacy, of negotiations,

1010
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: and then we find out that something like Epstein was

1011
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: going on, and we tell people that, oh, well, just

1012
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: trust us, we've cleaned it all up. And I think

1013
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: there's serious questions that arise then that how can we

1014
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: trust what any decision maker is making if they were

1015
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: a part of these activities. And I'm talking about the

1016
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: nefarious and criminal activity side that you know that they weren't,

1017
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: you know, trying to conduct some action or conduct some

1018
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: foreign policy maneuver because they were worried about their involvement.

1019
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: In EPs operations coming out.

1020
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: And I think these are serious questions when you have

1021
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: people like the ones that we've seen, the ones that

1022
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: we've talked about, the elites that were involved in there,

1023
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: what question does this leverage or what influence does this leverage?

1024
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: Blackmail if you want to call it, that have in

1025
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: our society when you look Jeffrey Epstein had all this

1026
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: leverage over Bill Gates and then suddenly Bill Gates is

1027
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: kind of kind of handed the reins to our society

1028
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 3: during COVID.

1029
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: Did that play and influence?

1030
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's certainly something that as a citizen.

1031
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: Of a free republic, we should all be asking.

1032
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 12: Well.

1033
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 11: I completely agree with the fact that I do believe

1034
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 11: Clinton is well both Clinton's are likely part of that

1035
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 11: whole ring. I also would agree with Bill Gates. But

1036
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 11: someone you didn't mention that I think is implicated as

1037
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 11: much more.

1038
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: Would be a President Donald Trump with multiple credible.

1039
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 11: Allegations according to FBI documents. Would they claim they seem

1040
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 11: to be credible and across many interviews seemed to have

1041
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 11: the same story, not have any holes in it. So

1042
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 11: what do you feel about that, as you mentioning the

1043
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 11: blackmail where it's reasonable to assume that Israel has it.

1044
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 11: You know, Epstein had ties to Israel and Masad, possibly

1045
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 11: the Israel could have those they have leverage over us.

1046
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 11: Russia claims to have had access to the files and

1047
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 11: have blackmail on Trump. So do you feel like those

1048
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 11: people could be black mailing a president in which case

1049
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 11: putting us in danger.

1050
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you look at those cases. In a

1051
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: number of those cases, Blake you might remember exactly and

1052
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: better than me, but they were looked into. A lot

1053
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: of those were actually found to have a lot of

1054
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 3: holes in them.

1055
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: A lot of them.

1056
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: Didn't actually hold up under scrutiny. They you know, people

1057
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: were even making phone calls into the FBI saying, oh,

1058
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, Donald Trump did this to me years ago

1059
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: after Epstein had already become public. So just because somebody

1060
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: calls in and makes a complaint to the FBI, this

1061
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: still doesn't mean it's credible.

1062
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 2: And as I as a guy who worked in the intelligence.

1063
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: Community, I just real quick, you know, we would get

1064
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: reports all the time that you know, somebody walks in

1065
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: and says, oh, something happened, you still have to check

1066
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: it out.

1067
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: You still have to actually go in.

1068
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: And this is one of the issues when you're looking

1069
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: at raw information like this, is that it's not it

1070
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: hasn't been assessed, Its credibility hasn't actually been been weighed

1071
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: and measured. That's something I'm going to be asking if

1072
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: I get the opportunity to a senior DJ official to

1073
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: ask about those.

1074
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Sorts of things.

1075
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 3: But in every instance with Donald Trump, it has always

1076
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: fallen apart. And we've seen a pattern of this for

1077
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: years with Donald Trump, that there's an allegation against him

1078
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: and people look into it.

1079
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: And it just doesn't hold scrutiny.

1080
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 5: I fall back to the same default that Charlie often did,

1081
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 5: which is just to point out that throughout, as you said,

1082
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 5: we had four years of Biden.

1083
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: They basically rewrote New York state.

1084
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 5: Laws specifically so that he could be sued by what's her.

1085
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: Name, the James.

1086
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so litician James could go after him,

1087
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: to go after his organization. They completely warped their laws.

1088
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 5: They could go after him for his financial filings from

1089
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 5: his company. They said he was covering up a felony,

1090
00:50:58,760 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 5: you know, for.

1091
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: The Alvin Brag.

1092
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 5: Alvin Bragg was interpreting statutes in Abwe go after him.

1093
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 5: They're basically rewriting the law to go after him. At

1094
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 5: the federal level with the Special Prosecutor, they're basically rewriting

1095
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: the law to go after him in Florida. They're coming

1096
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 5: up with endless novel legal approaches to go.

1097
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: After Donald Trump once he's out of office.

1098
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 5: And they're doing this for a simple reason that they

1099
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 5: are fanatically obsessed with putting Donald Trump in prison because

1100
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 5: they hate him. Actually, and they did multiple special and

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Speaker 5: they did the Special Council.

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Speaker 2: They were Robert Roller the day that they're going to

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Speaker 2: keep doing it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And we have basically a decade of NonStop effort

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Speaker 5: to find something to put Donald Trump in prison. And

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Speaker 5: then you're telling me that we actually had secret evidence

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Speaker 5: from the Epstein files, which were already well known and

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Speaker 5: famous at this time for four years of President Biden,

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Speaker 5: and they never bothered to indict him on that.

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Speaker 2: I just find that pretty unlikely.

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Speaker 11: I would assume that they didn't release them and indict

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Speaker 11: him on that because they're part of the two.

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Speaker 2: So I think all of them part of it.

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Speaker 11: If they release about one person, now they implicate everyone else,

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Speaker 11: and now it's I would encourage you.

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Speaker 5: To look at for example, there's a bunch of roads

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Speaker 5: and parks that are going to be renamed in Phoenix

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Speaker 5: in the next few days because they were named after

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Speaker 5: Caesar Chavez.

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Speaker 2: The Left doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Have a problem throwing out their own people to get

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Speaker 5: someone that they sufficiently hate. You guys might not remember,

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Speaker 5: but about a decade ago Al Franken, he was a senator.

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Speaker 2: They threw him out as part of me too.

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Speaker 5: They are totally willing to dump their own lawmakers, their

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Speaker 5: own fundraisers, their own people. Harvey Weinstein, a big Democrat fundraiser,

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Speaker 5: they threw him out. They don't have a problem taking

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Speaker 5: out their own people, and they still never took out

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump with Epstein, I think that's the best evidence

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Speaker 5: that there really is not a lot there personally. But

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Speaker 5: I want us to make sure we get to some

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Speaker 5: more questions. So thank you very much, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Cheers.

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Speaker 3: It's Neil Blake that that actually is to me. I

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Speaker 3: think that is that's one of the strongest arguments that

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Speaker 3: why not just release it yourselves when you could have

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Speaker 3: Why go to all.

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Speaker 2: The Russia Gate and dossier's and all this.

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Speaker 9: If you're a parent, you don't need to be told

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Speaker 9: that online safety is important. That's why TikTok has over

1141
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Speaker 9: fifty pre set safety and privacy settings, and beyond that,

1142
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 9: parents can set up family pairing to help shape their

1143
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 9: teens experience on the app. With family pairing, parents can

1144
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 9: get visibility into their teens followers and who they follow,

1145
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 9: help restrict content that's not right for them, and set

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Speaker 9: screen time limits. Parents can also set restricted times so

1147
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Speaker 9: they're not on TikTok when they shouldn't be, because feeling

1148
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Speaker 9: good about the time your teen spends online shouldn't come

1149
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Speaker 9: with guess work. In addition to the already built in

1150
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 9: safety and privacy protections, family pairing gives parents more tools

1151
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Speaker 9: to shape their teen's online experience based on what's right

1152
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Speaker 9: for their family. Remember when safety comes first, discovery and

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Speaker 9: creativity can follow. Learn more by going to TikTok dot

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Speaker 9: com slash guardians Guide.

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Speaker 13: Sure, I wanted some clarification as we talked about First

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Speaker 13: Amendment and free speech.

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Speaker 2: And that's clarify the ward. It's a great amendment, it's.

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Speaker 13: The cornerstone of our American democracy.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 13: Indeed, I wanted to clarify, are we are you guys

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Speaker 13: free seat speech?

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Speaker 2: Absolutionist? This guy over here, I pretty much am. I mean,

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Speaker 2: unless you're gonna, are you gonna ask me something I

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Speaker 2: would say?

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Speaker 3: I would say, I'm Blake and I have gotten into

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Speaker 3: this before. I don't know where you're going, but Blake

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Speaker 3: and I have gotten this before, and we have discovered

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Speaker 3: that he is much more of an absolutist than I

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Speaker 3: am on it.

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Speaker 13: Okay, Well, how do you feel about the President of

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Speaker 13: the United States tweeting out he's celebrating the death of

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Speaker 13: a US citizen, Robert Mueller, just the other day.

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Speaker 2: I don't care for it is a free speech. I

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Speaker 2: don't care for it. I think what I will say is.

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Speaker 5: When we had Charlie Charlie's memorial right here, one of

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Speaker 5: the best moments of it was it took a lot

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Speaker 5: of bravery. Erica went up there and she said, on

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Speaker 5: stage in front of seventy thousand people in that building

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Speaker 5: and who knows how many millions watching around the world,

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Speaker 5: and she says, that man who killed my husband, I

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Speaker 5: forgive him. And then a few minutes later, Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: went up there and he said, yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 5: don't forgive my enemies.

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Speaker 2: I hate him, I hate my enemies. I'm happy when

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Speaker 2: bad things happen to them.

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Speaker 3: We kind of know what we're what he then added,

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Speaker 3: but maybe Erica could change my mind.

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Speaker 2: Maybe yes he did, Yes he did.

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Speaker 5: I think it is I would say Donald Trump, anyone

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Speaker 5: would admit, even as supporters will admit, he has traits

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Speaker 5: they like and traits they care for less. And the

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Speaker 5: president's tendency to dump on people, you know, after they've

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Speaker 5: deceased is not one I personally care for.

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Speaker 13: So you would be fine with the you know, people saying, oh,

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Speaker 13: I'm glad that Hitler is dead. I'm glad that we

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Speaker 13: are currently bombing I ran and killing the Ayatola. Or

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Speaker 13: when Charlie Kirk died, people were celebrating.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people absolutely had the legal right to celebrate it.

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Speaker 5: I found it incredibly loathsome, not just because he was

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Speaker 5: a good man and a father, but also like especially

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Speaker 5: the heinous way in which he was killed, to celebrate

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Speaker 5: it when someone.

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Speaker 2: Is murdered, not just murdered, but murdered.

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Speaker 5: While at a you know, at a table like this

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Speaker 5: one holding a free speech event, specifically because of his speech.

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Speaker 5: I think it was exceptionally evil that people would do that,

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Speaker 5: but I do think they have the legal right to

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Speaker 5: do it. I don't think you should go to prison

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Speaker 5: for doing it.

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Speaker 2: You mean for the speech, for the speech? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. I feel like my chair is shrinking.

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Speaker 5: I like, you know, I like it when I know

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Speaker 5: people have opinions that I that I dislike and.

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Speaker 2: The best way, But that's different.

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Speaker 3: The first Amendment, that's first amendment is is a different,

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Speaker 3: different question.

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Speaker 2: What's your name? Oady George? Doing very well, doing lovely awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Fresnoe, California. If any of you guys know

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Speaker 2: where that is the valley? Oh yeah.

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Speaker 14: Obviously California has a stereotype of being a very blue state,

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Speaker 14: which it is. And in California, of course, there is

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Speaker 14: a lot of illegals just in general. Now, A lot

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Speaker 14: of that is due to the agriculture it is there.

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Speaker 14: So I do assume that you guys are for deportation

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Speaker 14: of all illegals. Correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So my question is.

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Speaker 14: If this amount of illegals that do do this labor

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Speaker 14: to farm work every sing because I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 14: If someone has a high school diploma, you're not doing it.

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Speaker 14: What is your solution for that? Then, if you're to get.

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Speaker 3: Rid of them all, broadly speaking, automation, bring in robotics,

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Speaker 3: bring in you know, get giddy law musque on that

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Speaker 3: or whoever the next robotics guy is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at some of the auto pickers

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Speaker 2: in the auto you.

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Speaker 3: Know, autonomous robotics that we have now, I mean, my gosh,

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Speaker 3: if we have AI drones that can find people on

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Speaker 3: the other side of the planet, I'm pretty sure we

1239
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Speaker 3: can find something that can find an apple or an orange.

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Speaker 5: So let ourselves get addicted to low cost foreign labor.

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Speaker 5: And like other addictions, there is a short term high

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Speaker 5: you get from it.

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Speaker 2: It saves you money. Let's you make more money in

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Speaker 2: the short term.

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Speaker 5: But the damage is long term financially, and it's just

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Speaker 5: long term on the country. So yeah, a farmer might

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Speaker 5: have been able to run their business better, but that's

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Speaker 5: still not worth it. If it's degrading America's respect for

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Speaker 5: the rule of law, if it's degrading our national cohesion

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Speaker 5: because we don't all speak the same language, if we're

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Speaker 5: offloading the trouble of maybe they'd be on welfare, or

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Speaker 5: they're expensive to educate, or they use a lot of healthcare.

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Speaker 5: All of those things are getting offloaded onto the public system.

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Speaker 5: But we're letting all of this happen because we've gotten

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Speaker 5: addicted to lower cost labor. Economically, I think we have

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Speaker 5: to treat it as an addiction, and sometimes you basically

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Speaker 5: have to go cold term. And I'd be the first

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Speaker 5: to admit there will be economic difficulties that come from this,

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Speaker 5: but you the difficulties would be less if we had

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Speaker 5: taken action longer ago in the past, and the difficulties

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Speaker 5: will be even greater if we wait too long to

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Speaker 5: do something about it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna add Economically, you have a

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Speaker 3: similar dynamic to the invention of the cotton gen in

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Speaker 3: in you know, pre Civil War that in pre Civil

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Speaker 3: War South, that the cotton gin had already been invented,

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Speaker 3: and yet you didn't see the widespread adoption of it

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Speaker 3: because of the system of slavery. And even though the

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Speaker 3: cotton gen ended up becoming far more, far more efficient

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Speaker 3: and obviously cheaper run than having you know, wide fields

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Speaker 3: of workers doing this for you, that because that was

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Speaker 3: the system in place, you know, obviously, you know there's

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Speaker 3: war over it ETCA, we know the history, but in

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Speaker 3: fact there was a system similar to automation technology that

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Speaker 3: had come out that could have actually filled that gap,

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Speaker 3: but for people wanting to do it.

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Speaker 5: Rule I think of a lot is that in China

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Speaker 5: you can now find guys who they are working in

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Speaker 5: an office building and they have a robot driven tractor

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Speaker 5: and they're doing it all in this you know.

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Speaker 2: Their air conditioning.

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Speaker 5: Look, Steve Bennon's going meanwhile, And meanwhile in the US

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Speaker 5: you can find there are some farms where their tractors

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Speaker 5: don't even have a cabin on the top.

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Speaker 2: You're up there in the sun all day.

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Speaker 5: Having it beat down on you. You don't even have

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Speaker 5: a roof over your head. And when I see that image,

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Speaker 5: all I can think is, does have to just be

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Speaker 5: illegal immigrant or otherwise low paid migrant farm workers where

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Speaker 5: it's just there's no value add to making their lives

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Speaker 5: any better. And by the way, you're correct, this would

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Speaker 5: be automation.

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Speaker 2: This would be something where I would be totally okay.

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Speaker 3: You know, I know I'm supposed to be like mister

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Speaker 3: conservative or whatever, but I'd be totally okay with the

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Speaker 3: government coming in and providing subsidies to these farms to

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Speaker 3: you know, help them get over because obviously there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be significant capital input during this period.

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Speaker 2: I'd be totally fine with.

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Speaker 3: I mean, farmers get subjeties already, so it's not like

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Speaker 3: it would be a huge change. But having an additional

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Speaker 3: implement for them to encourage automation and so that they're

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Speaker 3: not you know, having to spend tons and tons of

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Speaker 3: money to be able to do that, but upgrade through automation'

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Speaker 3: that's I think it's going to happen either way, And honestly,

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Speaker 3: I think it's this massive migrant labor force that's here

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Speaker 3: is really the only thing stopping it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, but also like automation and like a perfect world,

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Speaker 14: of course everything that should be automated as possible, people

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Speaker 14: doing dangerous jobs, whatever, but that cost comes back into farmers,

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Speaker 14: farmers who are already struggling to get end me And

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Speaker 14: you're right, but that's.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I think there could be I would be I would

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Speaker 3: support social programs for that.

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Speaker 5: Right now, we're subsidizing healthcare for these illegal immigrants, for

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Speaker 5: subsidizing the education.

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Speaker 2: For these illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 5: A lot of them, their children are eligible for welfare,

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Speaker 5: and so effectively they're on welfare. Imagine if all the

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Speaker 5: money that's going to that was instead put into a

1323
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Speaker 5: giant bun and we took it to a Silicon Valley

1324
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Speaker 5: firm and said, figure out how this tractor can run itself,

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Speaker 5: and we could.

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Speaker 14: And I don't know anything about the welfare side and

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Speaker 14: all of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend like.

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Speaker 14: I know when you said, all I know is is

1330
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Speaker 14: that it's already a struggle for farmers in general. People

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01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 14: are already stop wanting to be farmers in general. Like

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Speaker 14: Fresno State ad capital of California, so much ad goes

1333
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 14: through that there's less and less people who want to

1334
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Speaker 14: do that stuff because the profit margins are sained. So

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Speaker 14: if we just take away these illegal immigrants, there is

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Speaker 14: no more labor for that.

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Speaker 2: And you, I'm not doing it, You're not. Anybody's not.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 3: I c clearly agree with you that that farmers absolutely

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Speaker 3: do need to be supported because if you have a

1341
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Speaker 3: country they can't feed itself, then guess what. Let's you know,

1342
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Speaker 3: we were just talking about war and things like that.

1343
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Speaker 3: That actually is a national security issue, among other things,

1344
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: because if that system breaks down, guess what, Now you

1345
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: can't feed your army. Now you can't feed your your

1346
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: defense forces. Is a huge, huge problem. So I agree

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Speaker 3: with you, and it's something where you know, I think

1348
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: that you know, I think that the big factory farming

1349
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 3: is something that has has also in addition, become an

1350
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: issue with small farmers as well, because it's pushing them

1351
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: out in many cases, and it leads to outcomes that

1352
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: are good friends in the Moham movement would tell us

1353
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: are very unhealthy as well for Americans. So I feel

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Speaker 3: like I feel like there's a lot of room for

1355
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: discussion on this issue, and I would be totally open

1356
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: to helping out. I really would awesome. One more question,

1357
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: small question, just because don't know other people would like

1358
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: to speak. Why do you guys think the way you think?

1359
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: Like we brought up this way.

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Speaker 14: Did somebody tell you, like, hey, you should come to

1361
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 14: this club and hear what these people are thinking?

1362
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: Like what happened with me to be? My parents are

1363
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: wingers and I've always been a winger.

1364
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Speaker 3: No, it was weird, like when I was born, my

1365
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 3: dad just put Rush Limbaugh in my crib and no,

1366
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. And that No, honestly, I couldn't tell

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01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: you it just it just you know, neither of my

1368
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 3: parents were particularly political. They were both registered Democrats at

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Speaker 3: one point, and you know, I could get into a

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Speaker 3: longer story about it. But my town, our hometown, my

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: family's hometown got kind of overrun by crime as I

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Speaker 3: was growing up, and so I sort of lived through

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Speaker 3: the loss of a close knit community where the kids

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Speaker 3: that I grew up with were the sons of the

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Speaker 3: guys that my dad grew up with. And I lived

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Speaker 3: in the same house that my father grew up in

1377
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Speaker 3: and his father had been in, and we'd lost all

1378
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 3: of that because of crime, because of Section eight, and

1379
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 3: by the way, it was also turned into a sanctuary

1380
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Speaker 3: city for illegals. And I don't know, I think it

1381
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 3: was that process of losing all of that that, you know,

1382
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 3: really just played a huge role in sort of my

1383
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 3: self formation.

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Speaker 2: If you will, Where are you from Norshal, Pennsylvania?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to add a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit, just because it might be relevant. So I

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 5: guess the reason I wouldn't just rebel against my parents

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 5: the way some people do.

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Speaker 2: I think it.

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 5: Mattered a lot that my parents could explain what they

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 5: believed to some extent. I do remember my dad explain

1393
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 5: to me that democrats take money from the people who

1394
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 5: earn it and give it to the people who don't.

1395
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: He made my sister recite that, but he could explain it.

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 5: But then also that they really you could see every

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 5: day that this, you know, for example, we were religious

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 5: and went to church. I think a lot of people

1399
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 5: grow up in houses where, you know, maybe their parents

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Speaker 5: will tell them you can't do that, or you know,

1401
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 5: their parents will say they're Christian, but they've never seen

1402
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 5: their parents go to church, for example, that it mattered

1403
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 5: to my parents that we go every week, that you

1404
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 5: live your life accordingly, and I think, say, seeing your

1405
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 5: parents be consistent about the values they hold and then

1406
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 5: you know, be pillars of their community and all of that,

1407
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 5: which my parents are, that's what keeps That's certainly what

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 5: kept me from feeling any big temptation to just overthrow

1409
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 5: that or throw it out, because I could see my

1410
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Speaker 5: parents were great people, and.

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Speaker 2: So let's let that be a lesson to all of

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: us that've met. Blake's parents are pretty cool. Miner cool too, though,

1413
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: but Blakes are cool minorre cooler, all right, You guys

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Speaker 2: are doing an awesome thing. Thank you very much for conversation,

1415
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Speaker 2: thank you for your yeah, great questions. Thank you. Hello.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say thanks miss together.

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Speaker 16: I don't agree with a lot of what you guys say,

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 16: but I'm very pro free speak.

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01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: It's very important.

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01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: I disagree with this guy constantly, so I'm right there

1421
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: with you all the time.

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Speaker 16: I wanted to hear about your guys' opinion on like

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01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 16: I guess, the broadening of like America's involvement in regime change,

1424
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 16: and whether or not you.

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Speaker 2: Think that it's a good or a bad idea.

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01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 16: From Venezuela to Iran, and the possible like invasion of

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Speaker 16: carg Island and the current blockade of like oil in Cuba.

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Speaker 3: Well, I I'd love if I could just real quickly

1429
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: mention on on the Venezuela question, because on this if

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: people don't know, Venezuela recently had President Trump. You know,

1431
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: we all woke up one day and found that President

1432
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Speaker 3: Trump had arrested the leader of Venezuela, as you do,

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Speaker 3: and and that.

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Speaker 2: He had been extradited to the United States. He's in

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: New York. He's now, you know, standing trial.

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Speaker 3: But I remember saying that day, and I think I

1437
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 3: tweeted this, I said, is it really regime change if

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 3: you just get rid of one guy? Because what's interesting

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01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: in Venezuela is that the regime does still largely, you know,

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01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 3: remain in place. It is still intact. It's just that

1441
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: one guy has left. Dlsea Rodriguez is still kind of

1442
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 3: on top of that. Stephen Miller was, you know, kind

1443
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: of pressed about this when he went on with Jake

1444
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: Taper on CNN and and they because because Taper was saying,

1445
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, are you going to do elections?

1446
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: Are you gonna hold this, You're gonna have that?

1447
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: And Steven said, no, no, we're we're not going to

1448
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: change any of that. We are arresting one guy and

1449
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: we're going to leave it out. And I thought that

1450
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: was an interesting in between model, because you know, you're

1451
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, I think what you're getting at is this question,

1452
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 3: are we going to have these regime change wars Iraq

1453
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan like we saw in the past, which I

1454
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 3: think many people rightly view as disastrous as wasteful, not

1455
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 3: just in terms of time and money, but also in

1456
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 3: terms of American lives and the lives of the locals,

1457
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 3: which you know, arguably we're not bettered in any regard

1458
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 3: to this. I found it interesting, you know, too early

1459
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: to tell. I suppose you know, it just happened in

1460
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 3: terms of Venezuela. Now, I'm not going to dodge the

1461
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: other questions. I just wanted to say that I thought

1462
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: that was an interesting in between. Now whether or not

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: there will be other in between Cuba you mentioned, although

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Speaker 3: it does look like something very you know, very soon

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 3: will happen in Cuba, and then Iran is kind of

1466
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 3: the bigger question.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to take the Iran start on that?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean Iran, it's I think you pointed out

1469
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 5: a good point, which is there's that split that President

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 5: Trump has embraced that there's a difference between regime change

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01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 5: and nation building because nation building is what transition. Yeah,

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 5: nation building is what got us in all these disastrous

1473
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 5: conflicts that were very, very long. They had open ended,

1474
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 5: non existent victory conditions. Oh, you know, we'll stay in

1475
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 5: Afghanistan until we win. What does winning look like?

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: We don't know.

1477
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 5: And because it required a lot of Americans there, we

1478
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 5: lost thousands of American lives and the President has charted

1479
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 5: out a different path, where he says, I don't actually

1480
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 5: care about the nation building part of it. I care

1481
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 5: about having friendlier governments that are more accommodating to us

1482
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 5: instead of these hostile ones that are sending drugs or

1483
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 5: constantly flaring up crises in their region. Now, on the

1484
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 5: specific Iran thing.

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: I think we warned, we've been very.

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 5: Cautious about that one, that there's a lot of reasons

1487
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 5: to be skeptical of escalating our involvement in Iran. Charlie

1488
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 5: warned that about that a lot. I share his concerns

1489
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 5: about that. What I would say about the President and

1490
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 5: this particular decision he made is we've been around the

1491
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 5: block a few times with the President Trump, specifically on Iran.

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 5: We had a war scare in twenty nineteen when they

1493
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 5: I think they shot down one of our robots, and

1494
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 5: then in twenty twenty after Solo Money, and then last

1495
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 5: summer with the midnight hammer bombing, and every single time

1496
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 5: people thought, oh man, Donald Trump is escalating, He's going

1497
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 5: to plunge us into a war, and every single time

1498
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 5: he pulled back and nothing came of it. And the

1499
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 5: fact that he chose differently this time, I think we

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01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 5: should entertain the possibility that he had a very good

1501
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 5: reason for doing that, And we'll know more when it's all.

1502
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 2: Said and done. For now, the war did begin.

1503
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 5: The I support the US winning wars once we're in them,

1504
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 5: but there's of course room to debate it and question it,

1505
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 5: and I think we'll have that fully hashed out in

1506
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 5: the weeks to come.

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Speaker 16: All Right, I just want to touch on Venezuela for

1508
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 16: a second. I did also find it very interesting how

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 16: we didn't really change any regime in Iran and we

1510
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 16: just kind of changed it.

1511
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: From a Venezuela leaving it or ven as will.

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 16: Yeah, we just changed it from a Chinese dictatorship, a

1513
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 16: Chinese backed dictatorship, to like an American backed one because.

1514
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: We just brought in the VP. I think Delia forgot

1515
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: her name, del Rodriguez. Yeah, my bat No, you're you're

1516
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 2: great man. It's great.

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 16: And do you think because I know people have been

1518
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 16: talking about it, the Department of War has been uh,

1519
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 16: the question has been raised about like a troop invasion

1520
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 16: of carg Island on.

1521
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 17: The straight of horror moves.

1522
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 16: Would that be a step too far in terms of

1523
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 16: American foreign policy?

1524
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean step too far is is.

1525
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 3: You know, it depends on whether you mean in terms

1526
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 3: of political opinion, depends on whether or not you mean

1527
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,799
Speaker 3: in terms of military operation. In terms of military operation,

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 3: Could the United States do it? Yes, the United States

1529
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 3: could do it. Would it be easy to hold? No,

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 3: would not be easy to hold because it's in within

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Speaker 3: it's within conventional artillery range of the of Iran proper,

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Speaker 3: so of the mainland.

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Speaker 2: So I mean they could.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't even need miss I mean obviously the have

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01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: thrones as well, but conventional artillery would be able to

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 3: range whatever those forces are, So it would be hard

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: to hold.

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: You has to be very hard to hold.

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01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: I've actually outlined, and I've said this number of times

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 3: Fox News and other places that I've been that you

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 3: actually wouldn't necessarily if your goal is to neutralize Carg

1542
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 3: Island and control Carg Island in terms of bottle up

1543
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 3: the oil flow out of there, then there are numerous

1544
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 3: ways to do that that don't involve boats on the ground. Obviously,

1545
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: cyber warfare is something the United States has been perfecting.

1546
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: Was used in Venezuela.

1547
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: I mean, anything that's got a computer in it, you

1548
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: turn it off and then immediately, Guess what if those

1549
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 3: ships can't load and unload, Guess you just stopped the

1550
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: oil flow and without a single boot on the ground. Also,

1551
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 3: as a Navy guy, I have to say that also

1552
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 3: if you take out the piers, then again the ships.

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: Don't have the ability to load and unload.

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01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 3: But the larger oil infrastructure is still in you know,

1555
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 3: still intact and could be you know, fixed at a

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 3: later date. So there are numerous options available. And when

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01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 3: it comes to this, you know, I think we have

1558
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 3: to see whether or not the president is using this

1559
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 3: just to you know, he's obviously he's obviously deploying troops.

1560
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: There's no question about that.

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 3: We have two marine expeditory units and he used about

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: twenty five hundred each that are headed over. There's some

1563
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 3: indications that some other special forces units eighty second Airborne

1564
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: another may have been called up. We'll see, you know,

1565
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 3: we'll certainly see what the plan is. To Blake's point,

1566
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 3: we've seen the president push and push and push to

1567
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 3: the brink and then get to a desired end state

1568
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: and pull back. And part of me thinks that we're

1569
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: probably going to see something like that again. And look,

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: we saw the president this morning, he's talking about partial

1571
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: cease fire and talking about actual conversations that are going on,

1572
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 3: possibly indirectly with Iranian leadership, and Iran says.

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: Well, there are no talks, and it's like, well no.

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,879
Speaker 3: Because he's talking to the Egyptians and then the Egyptians

1575
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 3: are called you know, that kind of thing is going on,

1576
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: and so I broadly would be very supportive of a

1577
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 3: deal in this.

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01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: Really, let's see if we can get at least two

1579
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 2: more I think are we are we on time? How

1580
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: are we doing on time? Guys? We got all thirty minutes?

1581
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: All right, well, yeah, let's let's we'll do them. But

1582
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: then we'll try to keep them shorter. Thank you very much,

1583
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 2: by the way, will and we'll keep our answers shorter

1584
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 2: into Ahdi. What's your name? Hi? I'm Leila, Hi, Leila La?

1585
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: What's your question? Sorry?

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 12: I like did not come in here planning to ask

1587
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 12: a question. Sorry about it, kind of like really nervously

1588
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 12: sweating right now.

1589
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: You have nothing to be nerves here.

1590
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 12: You're doing fantastic anyways, I, like I said, I wasn't

1591
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 12: really planning on like asking anything. I just came here

1592
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 12: to gain some perspective. But something that you said, Jack

1593
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 12: intrigued me when you were asked when you're discussing like

1594
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 12: the future of agricultural labor and you're talking about things

1595
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 12: like AI based alternatives and automated systems. I am a

1596
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 12: graduate student in sustainability. I graduated with my Bachelors of

1597
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 12: Science and sustain ability as well, so I'm in a

1598
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 12: lot of like climate related spaces, I suppose, and even

1599
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 12: though I'm still only a student, I've been able to

1600
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 12: learn from some really incredible researchers and scientists and pioneers

1601
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 12: and all kinds of ecological related fields.

1602
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: So this is more of like a.

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 12: General question, like you can answer in whatever way makes

1604
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 12: sense to you. But I was wondering what your general

1605
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 12: take on climate change is and how you think the

1606
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 12: current administration is handling it, and do you believe that

1607
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 12: the techno optimism perspective is a concrete enough solution to

1608
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 12: depend on in the future, even if we don't really

1609
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 12: know what that'll look like even ten years from now,

1610
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 12: much less fifty.

1611
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that great question. I would generally say I'm

1612
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 3: a techno optimist. Gen four nuclear power is something that

1613
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm totally behind. I think it's great again, So I

1614
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 3: mentioned I shart in the Navy, and in the Navy

1615
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 3: we use Gen one nuclear power and Gen two and

1616
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: Gen three, and so we have we have such an

1617
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: experience of operating nuclear power plants, you know, on our ships,

1618
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,480
Speaker 3: and so are so are submarines.

1619
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 2: Every single submarine the United States Navy has. I'm just sorrying

1620
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: from my background. So that's why I'm going there.

1621
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 12: That's so cool because like nuclear came from submarines.

1622
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: That's how Sorry Hymen Ricover, Yeah, yeah, sorry, no, you're

1623
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 3: fine on yeah. So, so it was it was Hymen Rickover,

1624
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 3: the incredible American officer who understood the nuclear Navy and

1625
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 3: the power of it because realizing that with with nuclear

1626
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 3: power on the ships and then the subs, eventually that

1627
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 3: you could essentially have a submarine that would stay or

1628
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 3: a ship that could stay on station indefinitely, and your

1629
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 3: only limit on that is actually the sailors. So food,

1630
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 3: you know, oxygen, et cetera, which, of course with AI

1631
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: is going to be the next you know, the next

1632
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 3: bridge that we cross.

1633
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: So we're going to get to the point.

1634
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 3: I think we're probably already at the point where I

1635
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 3: know they've said the last the last fighter pilot has

1636
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 3: already been born, or the last submarine or has probably

1637
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 3: already been born. It's it's it's just gonna happen. Same

1638
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 3: with you know, aircraft carriers as well. And so you

1639
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 3: we have such an experience with nuclear in the Navy,

1640
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 3: and a very safe experience, by the way, that I

1641
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 3: really do think that it's time to start getting gen

1642
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: for a nuclear power back into the mainland.

1643
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: And this is something.

1644
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 3: Where you know, obviously there's gonna be people who disagree

1645
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 3: on renewables and disagree on certain things, but because you know,

1646
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 3: one of the questions, of course is do you get

1647
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 3: enough power from renewables And just right now we're not

1648
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: quite there yet in terms of the power export that

1649
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 3: we're able to access from there.

1650
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: That's why that's why.

1651
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 3: We're seeing the around war right now, right That's why

1652
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 3: it's natural gas and oil. That's why gas prices are

1653
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 3: the way they are. And I've said for a long

1654
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 3: time that if we just we may I mean think

1655
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 3: of it. Right, we found these magical rocks that give

1656
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 3: us free energy forever. And then we had some incident

1657
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 3: while we were learning to use the magic rocks, and

1658
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 3: so we buried them and stopped using them, and I

1659
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: just think that's kind of wrong. And so I think

1660
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 3: that techno optimism absolutely is something that I'm one hundred

1661
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: percent behind.

1662
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: I think that it's something.

1663
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 3: Where you can marry these concerns about climate change with

1664
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: the future and also with people who would just want

1665
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 3: to see and make sure that we maintain enough energy

1666
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 3: to not only maintain our standard of living and Blake,

1667
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 3: you were talking about this on the podcast the other day,

1668
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 3: but also expand and progress our standard of living.

1669
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 5: I would just say we've never degrowthed our way out

1670
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 5: of any big problem. And if you look at where

1671
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 5: the biggest innovations are coming, which would include anything that

1672
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 5: would resolve global warming or any environmental problem, it's actually

1673
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 5: coming from the countries that have the most energy production

1674
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 5: because those are the most innovative and productive. So stuff

1675
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 5: comes out of the United States, it comes out of China,

1676
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 5: because where the nations that generate the most power generate

1677
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 5: the most innovation.

1678
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: And we should care about the environment.

1679
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 5: We have to be stewards as Christians, we believe in stewardship,

1680
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 5: but we are not going to achieve that by taking

1681
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 5: this anti civilizational posture that I think a lot of

1682
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 5: people do.

1683
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of.

1684
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 5: Hostility towards hostility towards electricity, hostility towards industry ultimately just

1685
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 5: becomes hostility towards prosperity itself. And we can't go down

1686
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 5: that path. That's the path of failure. It's the path

1687
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 5: of the path of being Britain.

1688
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 3: I don't want to be like being the UK, but

1689
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 3: I think I'm also just just to add one of

1690
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,839
Speaker 3: the reasons that Greenland comes up so much is because

1691
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: you're starting to see and we and we're seeing the

1692
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 3: reduction in northern sea ice and the fact that those

1693
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 3: waterways are now opening up across the across the north

1694
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 3: the North Pole is going to be not only going

1695
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 3: to lead to the economics of the future, it's going

1696
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 3: to lead to wars of the future. It's why Russia

1697
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 3: is building megaports on their northern tier, and it's it's

1698
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 3: clearly some thing that's driving you know, people say, why

1699
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 3: is President Trump talking about Greenland?

1700
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: And I bring up some of these issues and they say,

1701
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: oh wow, I never thought of it that way. Alrighty, hey,

1702
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 2: let's sell ye, thank you so much. We probably we

1703
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 2: promise we'll be shorter and we were not sure. We're

1704
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 2: a way short. Let's see if we can. Let's see

1705
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: if we can be better on this. She hasked. A

1706
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: good question, only only bad questions from now on.

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Speaker 2: Your what's question I've said a new rule. Okay, Hi,

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Speaker 2: my name is kat Ellison. Thank you so much for

1728
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Speaker 2: coming to ASU. And my question is what is something

1729
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 2: that you would like to see more out of the

1730
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: Trump administration. See, that's a good question. Again, it's a deportations,

1731
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Speaker 2: more deportations. Yeah, I'd like to see it. Yeah, I

1732
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Speaker 2: would like to see more home building. I really liked

1733
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Speaker 2: Charlie's idea shot build ten million.

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Speaker 3: Twenty first century housing actors, and I like that It's

1735
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Speaker 3: not the moonshot, but it's it's getting there.

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Speaker 5: I just am I'm in favor of a country that

1737
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 5: builds stuff, and I think we should make it as

1738
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 5: easy as possible for not just you don't need the

1739
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Speaker 5: government to do it, for private actors to build things

1740
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Speaker 5: in America.

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Speaker 2: I think we.

1742
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 5: Should see it as a huge failure every time. It

1743
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 5: should be nationally humiliating that that bridge in Baltimore got

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Speaker 5: knocked over by a boat. I think two or three

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Speaker 5: years ago it still isn't replaced. I think the timeline

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01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 5: is twenty and thirty now. And similarly, they're trying to

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01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 5: build a microchip plant in New York. It's been held

1748
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 5: up by I think a nonprofit that's funded by China

1749
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 5: and has six people in it, and they've held that up.

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Speaker 2: For a few years.

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Speaker 5: At this point, that should be a national crisis, and

1752
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Speaker 5: the biggest one is housing.

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01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 2: It should be the simplest.

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01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 5: Thing in the world to build enough houses, enough apartments,

1755
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 5: enough condos, enough take your pick, to have an affordable

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01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 5: option for everyone in this country. And it is purely

1757
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 5: a regulatory failure in my opinion that we have you

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Speaker 5: know what.

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Speaker 2: Else would help with housing deportations. That is true, and

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Speaker 2: it is there. We are. Thank you, thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 18: Hey, gentleman, is Danny and I'm a freshman here at

1763
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 18: ASU and I'm studying marine biology.

1764
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Speaker 2: I wanted to talk a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Wait.

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01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: Wait, you're studying marine biology in the desert, right?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: I have a lot we haven't. That's the first time

1769
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 2: you've heard that in Florida though. Oh okay, okay, I

1770
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: will so you hold on.

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Speaker 19: Wait you're from Florida for this, and you you moved

1772
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Speaker 19: to the desert to study marina.

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, I'm just are you done? Can I ask?

1774
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm not judged, not judge.

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Speaker 5: She was choosing between that and you Miami's desert, you

1776
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 5: know program.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

1778
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Speaker 18: So I wanted to speak a little bit on the

1779
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 18: killing of Sheridan Gorman, an eighteen year old from Yorktown

1780
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Speaker 18: and a freshman at Leola Chicago. Yes, why does it

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Speaker 18: feel like cases like this don't get national attention or

1782
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Speaker 18: public acknowledgment from major political figures, especially those with ties

1783
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Speaker 18: to the community, someone like AOC who is from Sheridan's

1784
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 18: hometown in high school. And also, should there be more

1785
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 18: pressure on leaders like AOC to address this?

1786
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1787
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 5: I think the reason we've gotten better about high lighting them.

1788
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 5: The Trump administration, to its credit, has highlighted incidents like that.

1789
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 5: They had a case similar to her, as with Arena Zarutska,

1790
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 5: they had her family members at the State of the Union.

1791
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 5: We should highlight these because they're not. There will be

1792
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Speaker 5: crimes in any country, There will be murder victims in

1793
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 5: any country, but there is a special type of failure

1794
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 5: that comes from letting a person into your country who

1795
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 5: then murders someone here. Because you can control who comes

1796
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Speaker 5: into your country, every single person who comes from America,

1797
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 5: we should be looking at them and saying does this

1798
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 5: person make America better?

1799
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: Or will this person make America worse?

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Speaker 5: And for decades on end our leadership class, in particular

1801
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Speaker 5: among Democrats. Many Republicans are implicated. They abdicated that responsibility.

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Speaker 5: They abdicated their responsibility to their citizens to make sure

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Speaker 5: that the people coming into this country made this country better.

1804
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 5: And they did it because it allowed a few people

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01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 5: to make a quick buck, It allowed some people to

1806
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 5: feel morally superior, like they were good people, and frankly,

1807
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 5: it allowed some people to get power. A lot of

1808
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 5: people do this because they see it as a way

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01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 5: to entrench themselves in power by replacing the people already

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Speaker 5: in this country. And so absolutely it should be called

1811
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Speaker 5: out as much as possible because it's exceptionally evil what

1812
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 5: these people have done. That right now, if you go

1813
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 5: to an airport in this country, you might have to

1814
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 5: wait an extra hour or two hour or three hours

1815
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 5: because they are currently refusing to fund DHS, and they

1816
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 5: are refusing to fund DHS because they are angry that

1817
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 5: ICE might deport someone like the illegal immigrant who killed

1818
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Speaker 5: that woman.

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Speaker 2: And this is happening over and over again, and it

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Speaker 2: should be highlighted every single time.

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Speaker 3: I'll also I'll mention that this is a failure on

1822
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 3: the right, and it's a failure of conservative media as well,

1823
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 3: because so you look at a situation like Alex pretty

1824
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: or remember the Marilyn man Rigo Garcia who is actually

1825
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 3: being deported. Now if I remember the latest on this,

1826
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Speaker 3: that when one of those situations happens, you know, and

1827
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: it's and the left has the ability to portray a

1828
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 3: victim of the right. What you'll see them do is

1829
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 3: they will go up to every single senator on the right,

1830
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 3: every Republican, They'll go up to people in conservative media.

1831
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: They'll go up to every single do you agree with this,

1832
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Speaker 3: do you denounce this?

1833
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Speaker 2: Are you okay with this? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,

1834
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: over and over and over.

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Speaker 3: And this is a failure, I think on our side

1836
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,759
Speaker 3: because we don't do that. With what you just said

1837
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Speaker 3: about AOC and why isn't she bringing this up? Conservative

1838
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 3: media doesn't do this enough. We just don't do it

1839
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: enough because it requires having Now that's also part of

1840
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 3: the there's also an issue of scale there because they

1841
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 3: just have more reporters and they can hang people out

1842
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 3: at the you know, at the Capitol building or other

1843
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 3: parts of DC, et cetera, just to be able to.

1844
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Speaker 2: Do that all day.

1845
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 3: And this is this is why one of the things

1846
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 3: that I I've always appreciated Charlie for in Turning Point

1847
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 3: for was investing in new media and investing in those enterprises,

1848
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 3: building up grassroots, building up individuals to be able to

1849
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Speaker 3: Nick Shirley, you know, you look at something that people

1850
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 3: can do on a regular basis that would not have

1851
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:06,799
Speaker 3: existed in the past.

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Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right that it's a problem,

1853
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Speaker 2: but it is a problem that we're seeing improvement on.

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Speaker 2: We are Thank you, gentlemen, Thank you very much. Hi.

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Speaker 15: My name is Ocean Rosso and I'm a Turning Point

1856
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Speaker 15: Chapter president in my community and I've had the honor

1857
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Speaker 15: of speaking to thousands all across this state. But one

1858
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 15: issue I see come up again and again specifically in

1859
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,839
Speaker 15: my generation is an apathy when it comes to freedom

1860
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 15: or the Constitution or even the conservative movement from both

1861
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 15: liberals and conservatives in this movement. So my question is,

1862
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Speaker 15: how do you believe it is best for us to

1863
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 15: combat this apathy and save freedom.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know that's a great question, and

1865
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 3: of course we've got the shirts on and this was

1866
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 3: the shirt that Charlie you.

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01:27:53,439 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: Know, was wearing that day, and we sort of talked

1868
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 2: about it at the you know, I get it right.

1869
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 3: The reason that people are saying, well they say, people

1870
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: are saying, the system is messed up. So why should

1871
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 3: I support that thing on the wall over there. That's

1872
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 3: the system that got us here, so I should be

1873
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 3: against that.

1874
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 2: And who cares?

1875
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 3: Because if that system brought us to this, then what

1876
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 3: good was the system?

1877
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,520
Speaker 2: Right? That's usually what you get your response, and.

1878
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 3: When you look at the building blocks of that and

1879
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 3: you you know, Blake and I were just talking about

1880
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 3: it at the outset here and we talked about what

1881
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 3: happened to Charlie. That's what happens when you move outside

1882
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 3: that system. That when you move outside that system and

1883
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 3: you stop having dialogue and you stop having conversation, and

1884
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 3: you stop having debate like we have had tonight. We've

1885
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 3: had disagreement, and you know, Blake and I'm sure it'll

1886
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 3: be disagreeing all night, as we do in our in

1887
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: our chat rooms and all the rest of it.

1888
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Speaker 2: But the point is is that this is the system.

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01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: That brought us to these incredible dizzying heights that we

1890
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,799
Speaker 3: have as a country, as the Unit's Aids of America,

1891
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 3: and we should probably be very careful about being so

1892
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 3: cavalier about just chopping it down and getting rived, because

1893
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: this is the system that brought us to where we are.

1894
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 3: And so, you know, I think that Charlie would say,

1895
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 3: use that story, use his story as an example to

1896
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 3: point out the dangers of losing the First Amendment or

1897
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 3: deciding to step beyond voting and dialogue and peace because

1898
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 3: of how bad things can get and how things can

1899
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 3: get very quickly.

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Speaker 2: And there were a lot of and by the way,

1901
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 2: I would say this, and I said this to.

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Speaker 3: A lot of media, and you're not saying this, but

1903
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 3: I'll say this again that you know there were people

1904
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 3: who there are people constantly if you guys, you know,

1905
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 3: if you're here on the right, if you're part of

1906
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 3: turning point, they'll say, oh, you conservatives, you're so violent,

1907
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 3: You're always you're always practicing violence, promoting violence.

1908
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: Right wing violence is the greatest threat to America.

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01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 3: And I always say this, I say really really, because

1910
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 3: if that were true, and if we were really the

1911
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 3: people that you say we are, then look at how

1912
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,799
Speaker 3: we responded to Charlie Kirk, did we respond with violence

1913
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 3: in that situation when we were visited with violence?

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Speaker 2: No, we did not respond with violence. What do we

1915
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 2: respond with? We responded with prayers.

1916
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 3: We responded with togetherness, we responded with unity, responded with peace.

1917
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: I came here to Asu to that incredible prayer visual

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Speaker 3: that we had.

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01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: We got together and we prayed. That is who we are.

1920
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Speaker 3: And so it's it's it's something where yes, the media

1921
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 3: is also part of that First Amendment, don't we love them?

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Speaker 2: But that's it's again, it's.

1923
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 3: Part of the system, so that we have that push

1924
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 3: and pull and we don't have one side just dominating

1925
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 3: over the other.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: Use real life examples like that of things that are

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01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 3: incredibly relevant, and you know, Luigi Maggioni, Thomas Matthew, Matthew Crooks,

1929
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 3: we can you know, you can point to. Unfortunately, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure there'll be more incidents of violence that come up

1931
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 3: because when you.

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Speaker 2: Walk away from this, that's where you get thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Hi.

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Speaker 20: My name is Charlie and I apply to be a

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Speaker 20: field rep. And I was just asking, let's go what

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01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 20: advice you have?

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Speaker 18: Thank you.

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Speaker 20: I was just gonna ask, like, what advice you have

1939
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Speaker 20: for somebody like me who applied for like tabling and

1940
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Speaker 20: dealing with backlash on campus.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what's the advice Charlie would give us. You've

1942
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 5: always lost when you get angry.

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01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, never get angry, he would always say that.

1944
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 3: You know, never you know, never be in a situation

1945
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 3: where you are you know, you're content, you're being overwhelmed.

1946
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 3: Never allow the emotions of the moment to overwhelm you,

1947
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 3: to say here I am, oh my gosh, I'm feeling

1948
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 3: this certain way, or this question is making me so upset,

1949
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 3: or this person is making me so upset.

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Speaker 2: Maintain your frame right, maintain your frame, don't get frame mogged.

1951
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 3: Don't get frame mogged. Maintain your frame, whole frame. And

1952
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 3: at the same time, just remember you know.

1953
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 2: You're out there.

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01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 3: Representing TPUSA, You're out there representing the premier conservative organization

1955
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 3: and youth organization on the face of the planet, and

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01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 3: that you've got the full faith and full force of

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Speaker 3: Turning Point behind you.

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01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 2: And should something happen, hey man, get it on film,

1959
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 2: and we're going to be able to take care of you.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be able.

1961
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Speaker 3: To be there and have your back if something, you know,

1962
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 3: we've had people knock over tables and things like that,

1963
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that's going to happen, but if

1964
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 3: it were, you know, don't get frustrated, don't get flustered,

1965
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 3: get evidence, get it on tape, get receipts, and we're

1966
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: going to film that. But at the same time, it's

1967
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 3: it's maintaining that outlook of being a happy warrior, right,

1968
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 3: And that's that's how Charlie was.

1969
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 2: He was the happy warrior. He would go out there.

1970
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 3: He loved debating, and I think that's what turning points

1971
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 3: all about, being happy and believing I can I can

1972
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 3: dip into anger myself at times. And it's it's something

1973
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 3: that I've tried to advice for myself too, is that, Hey,

1974
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 3: if you're going to be out there doing a turning

1975
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 3: point event, do it like Charlie would do it with

1976
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: do it with kindness, do it with grace.

1977
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: And I think that's what he always tried to lead with.

1978
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 2: Charlie always he would tell me.

1979
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 5: Actually, I think this was the first time I ever

1980
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 5: traveled with him, and he told me, Blake, if I'm

1981
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 5: feeling sad, I just decide not to be sad and

1982
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 5: then I'm not sad and not what I'm drinking. Dude,

1983
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 5: I thought, Okay, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

1984
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I believe him, but he actually it was.

1985
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 2: It was true.

1986
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 5: He actually he was a strong believer that you can

1987
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 5: you can choose how you react to things. You can

1988
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 5: choose the attitude that you bring into things. And that's

1989
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 5: probably very difficult the first time you do it, maybe

1990
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 5: the first twenty times you do it, but it is

1991
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 5: a skill that can be built over time. And one

1992
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 5: of the things I had, you know, I worked with

1993
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 5: Charlie for three years and what I grew to admire

1994
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 5: the most in him was that sort of discipline that

1995
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 5: I saw. You can meet a million people who are

1996
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 5: smart and then their lives are a disaster. But it

1997
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 5: was that Charlie was the absolute master of having discipline

1998
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 5: over his feelings, discipline over his reaction to things, discipline

1999
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 5: over how he over the things he could control in

2000
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 5: his life he exerted maximum power over and the things

2001
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 5: that he couldn't control in his life.

2002
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 2: He left to God that congratulations, thank you for stepping

2003
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 2: up too. I think we have eight minutes now, We're

2004
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 2: gonna make you guys. We're gonna make it all right.

2005
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: Let's speed around, let's go. How's it going, guys. My

2006
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 2: name is Landon.

2007
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 17: This is not as much of like a question, it

2008
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 17: kind of is, but it's also like a debate topic

2009
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 17: as well.

2010
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 2: Charlie blessed his soul.

2011
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 17: This is something I've always wanted to debate him, and

2012
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 17: it's like how to raise your kids. Because I knew

2013
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 17: that Charlie was a huge advocate of being like a

2014
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 17: strict parent, and because I remember when he was on

2015
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 17: the George Jenko Show. He said in that the podcast

2016
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 17: episode that the kids that always went out and did

2017
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 17: drugs and drinking and stuff were the ones that had

2018
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 17: not very strict parents, and the strict and the kids

2019
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 17: that had strict parents, you know, they would always be

2020
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 17: afraid that, you know, their mom or dad would kill

2021
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 17: them if they ever did something like that. But personally,

2022
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 17: for me, as someone who didn't have particularly strict parents,

2023
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 17: I never went out and drank or did drugs or anything.

2024
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 17: So I'm I'm kind of like more of an advocate

2025
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 17: of I also am an advocate of like you know,

2026
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,759
Speaker 17: strict parenting causes sneaky kids because I have seen it before.

2027
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of more of an advocate.

2028
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 17: Of like obviously being you know, you need to be

2029
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 17: strict at times, but always like, you know, be there

2030
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 17: for your kids. Because my parenting situation was is they

2031
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 17: would my parents would say, you know, if you ever

2032
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 17: go out to a party and get drunk or something,

2033
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 17: just know we may not agree with what you're doing,

2034
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 17: but just know that we are here for you because

2035
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 17: we and if you need to talk to us, or like,

2036
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 17: if you're at a party in a bad situation, call us,

2037
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 17: because we would rather us come pick you up and

2038
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 17: you get home safely then you not come home at all.

2039
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 17: So that's kind of my view on parenting personally. I

2040
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 17: just kind of wanted to know your thoughts on that.

2041
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of heterodox on this and I don't

2042
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 3: think that, and I've thought about these things a lot.

2043
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 2: And as a dad, I think about this all the time, obviously, but.

2044
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 3: I think that different kids, different people have different kids,

2045
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 3: and different kids need different outcomes, and I don't think

2046
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 3: parenting is a one size fits all thing. I don't

2047
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 3: think I've ever actually said this publicly, but you know,

2048
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 3: you mentioned it. It's been something i've been thinking about

2049
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 3: for a while, and I don't think there is any

2050
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 3: one answer that's gonna, oh this is going to set

2051
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 3: your kid on the straight and narrow. I mean, I

2052
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 3: think there's you know, generally good principles. But at the

2053
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 3: same time, I just think different kids are different, and

2054
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 3: so what you have to do more than anything, before

2055
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 3: you even start applying one of these systems that people

2056
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 3: sell to their kids is you have to meet your kids.

2057
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 3: Meet them where they are, understand them, try to know

2058
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 3: them as they are, and don't try to, you know,

2059
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, mold them into exactly what you want them

2060
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 3: to be, but also coach them and if that makes sense,

2061
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 3: and and find out what they are specifically talented at

2062
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 3: or skilled at, or what they gravitate towards, and then

2063
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 3: use that to say, okay, these are the best ways

2064
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 3: you can You can use your talent for good, whether

2065
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 3: it's something that I want or not.

2066
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 2: And hopefully it's something I want and.

2067
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 3: You can and and you can do that unless less

2068
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 3: of course, it's being a libtard.

2069
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 2: But as long as you're.

2070
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 3: Patriots, and and I do think that's that's the best way.

2071
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 3: So strict versus not strict, No, that being said. One

2072
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 3: thing that I would add, though, is you can be

2073
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,879
Speaker 3: you can have friendly relationships with your children, and you should.

2074
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 3: You want your kid to be at what's the metric

2075
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 3: you want your kid to be able to be to

2076
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 3: enjoy quiet moments with you and just feel that comfort.

2077
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you can't do that at

2078
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 3: the cost of stopping being a father or a mother

2079
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 3: to your kid.

2080
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 2: Is that you have to be mom and dad. You

2081
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 2: cannot be you know, I'm just friends with my kids.

2082
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him do whatever. It's like.

2083
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 3: Nah, that ain't it, because because kids can't be free range,

2084
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 3: it don't work.

2085
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree. Yeah, there's a there's a much longer

2086
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 2: topic there. But it's a good question. I said bad questions.

2087
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 2: These are good questions. What's happening? This audience is fired,

2088
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 2: Get out of here, all right, this is our last time.

2089
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 2: All right, we go. A lucky you, Hi, I'm lucky

2090
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 2: on your shirt? Yeah, a lucky guy. There we go.

2091
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 10: I had two questions, but I'll ask them really quick

2092
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 10: and you can answer however you want to. The first

2093
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 10: question was regarding it was mentioned about automization in regards

2094
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 10: to farming, and then AI and other stuff like that.

2095
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 10: I don't want to make assumptions, but to be quick,

2096
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 10: I'm just going to real quick.

2097
01:38:58,840 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 2: I would.

2098
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 10: In general, when it comes to like, I guess kind

2099
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 10: of protectionist policies to protect American labor while also being

2100
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 10: in favor of like free markets, economic growth and protecting labor,

2101
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 10: there seems to be like a conflict with automization and

2102
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 10: AI with the potential for people.

2103
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,759
Speaker 2: To lose jobs.

2104
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 10: And then there's also the potential where subsidizing certain industries

2105
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 10: could probably cause economic dissatisfaction with like taxes. How can

2106
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:32,799
Speaker 10: you deal with both of these situations together without like guess,

2107
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 10: losing any type of core values or principles about certain

2108
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 10: economic policies. And then the other one was regarding political

2109
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 10: violence is like a serious problem in the country, and

2110
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 10: so as with like radical beliefs, and it seems to

2111
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 10: be like a problem that comes on a lot more

2112
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 10: because of like online discourses. I have friends who are conservative,

2113
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 10: I have friends who are liberal. They don't ever say

2114
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 10: anything crazy about political violence. But then you online and

2115
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 10: you see people from either both sides or presenting as

2116
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 10: being both sides, saying really not good things and promoting

2117
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 10: certain ideas. What would you say the solution for that

2118
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 10: is and do you think that there needs to be

2119
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 10: more cooperation and like outreach between people with different ideas

2120
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 10: to have a greater conversations and tolerance with each other.

2121
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 5: Well, we might have to really blitz this one, I

2122
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 5: mean the political violence one. Obviously, I think discourse like

2123
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 5: this public spaces that has to help you. Actually, it

2124
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 5: is deeply humanizing to actually engage in dialogue in real

2125
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 5: life with people, not just on the internet. Call it

2126
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 5: the grass touching principle.

2127
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 2: You get to see.

2128
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 3: It's something that you know, kind of in the wake

2129
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 3: of Charlie's murder that I thought about more as well,

2130
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 3: is that when you're online, as you say, you know,

2131
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 3: that person isn't like Charlie, the human being who has.

2132
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 2: A wife and kids. It's it's oh, there's that guy,

2133
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. I hate that guy. He's always talking to

2134
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 2: his hate He's always so bad. I got to stop him.

2135
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 2: I've got to find a way to stop him.

2136
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 3: But you know, I wish that Tyler Robinson had just

2137
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 3: come to the event and stood in line and you know,

2138
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: had a debate with the guy rather than doing what

2139
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 3: he did, because I think that it just it to

2140
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 3: Blake's point, it humanizes you unless you see that the

2141
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,719
Speaker 3: other person. We did it earlier today with the unef

2142
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,480
Speaker 3: America people where we got out, we had a conversation.

2143
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 3: We were actually able to provide them some information that

2144
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 3: they didn't have, and they actually kind of apologized, and

2145
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 3: I think she deleted Blake and she would delete something

2146
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 3: and she did so, you know, it would have been

2147
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 3: easy for us and probably would have gotten more clicks

2148
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 3: out of it if we just went and started yelling

2149
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 3: at each other. But you know, what's really better for

2150
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 3: the country ultimately, And I think that's what leads to

2151
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 3: places where you get more political violence.

2152
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2153
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was like one of the problems with like

2154
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 10: one of the things that bothered me with after the

2155
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 10: murder of Charlie Kirk. I didn't see any people that

2156
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 10: I personally knew like celebrating or like saying like, oh,

2157
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 10: we need a civil war to get back at people.

2158
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 10: But then online you would see people who are very

2159
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 10: upset on both things saying something that they would never

2160
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 10: say to people in person, really, and I feel like

2161
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 10: that's a bad problem. And then I feel like it

2162
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 10: also has the effect of like really ramping people up

2163
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 10: who don't go outside and spend all their time on

2164
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 10: online spaces.

2165
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 2: Can I actually can I actually combine your questions?

2166
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 12: Yeah?

2167
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeahely.

2168
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 3: So what's interesting is that, you know, did you think

2169
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 3: those two things related at all?

2170
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 10: Partially with like AI and liked So.

2171
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 2: I think they are. I think that political violence.

2172
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 3: And economic upheaval are actually related. And I think that

2173
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 3: you see this in the past as well, like during

2174
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution, So the just revolution happens, we're living

2175
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 3: through the technological revolution. Now what happens right after the

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Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution, like massive Bolshevik uprisings across Europe.

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Speaker 2: It leads to World War Two, and you see reprisals,

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And prior to that, you see this this wave of

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Speaker 3: hyperviolence across Europe and even here in the United States.

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Speaker 2: We go into the eighteen hundreds, we.

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Speaker 3: Had a radical socialist murderer president, which we don't talk

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Speaker 3: about at all, but right there in New York State,

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Speaker 3: in Buffalo, New York, we had a you know, huge

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Speaker 3: bombings on Wall Street and Chicago and which we don't

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Speaker 3: really talk about anymore. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: that was caused by economic upheople. So I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: that the Internet discourse doesn't play a role, but we

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Speaker 3: did see political violence during another period when we were

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Speaker 3: going through an economic what would you call it a

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Speaker 3: shift to change, you know, an economic revolution like the

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Speaker 3: industrial revolution, and so because it just leads to you know, massive,

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Speaker 3: massive wealth inequalities. And I know I've said that around

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Speaker 3: some people and they say, oh, Jack, you can't talk

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Speaker 3: about that. That's Karl Marx talk. And it's like, well, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I want communism. I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: that economics obviously plays a huge role in all of this.

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Speaker 3: When you look at Tyler Robinson, this was a downwardly

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Speaker 3: mobile white male student who looked like he had been

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Speaker 3: decently you know, intelligent, but you know, I guess was

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Speaker 3: a college dropout or was like going to you know,

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Speaker 3: not his original college. You see the same thing with

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Speaker 3: Thomas Matthew Crooks, the guy who tried to shoot President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Luigi Maggioni was a guy who went to the Ivy

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Speaker 3: League university, was extremely privileged, and yet you know, at

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Speaker 3: the same time he also you know, goes off the

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Speaker 3: deep end, and it's like off in Japan trying to

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Speaker 3: find himself in doing drugs, and so when you live

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Speaker 3: through these times of upheaval, it leads to radical decisions

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Speaker 3: and radical acts. And so I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 2: You know, oh, we'll just stop that and it all

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Speaker 2: go away. No, But you know, as.

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Speaker 3: As a movement, it's something where when Blake is talking

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Speaker 3: about how we need more housing, when we need to

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Speaker 3: actually relieve some of these economic pressures that have been faced,

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Speaker 3: that I actually think that all in the you know,

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Speaker 3: in the wash, it will actually help.

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Speaker 2: With the political violence problem. Okay. And with that being said,

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Speaker 2: that's sort of in the long term.

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Speaker 3: In the short term, you have to crack down very

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Speaker 3: very severely on anyone who's committing or planning political violence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: One last thing on that is with it could be

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Speaker 10: argued or like talked about about like certain economic policies

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Speaker 10: and then certain ways that the direction is headed. And

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Speaker 10: then with the Internet, people have been increasingly detached from

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Speaker 10: like in person connections and like not in their communities.

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Speaker 10: How would you say that is affected like people turning

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Speaker 10: towards like politically like violent or like radical ideas well.

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Speaker 3: So what you're happening we've seen happen now is people's

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Speaker 3: identities are changing in the sense that you know, people

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Speaker 3: used to identify with Like I just told that story

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Speaker 3: about how identified with my hometown and that was like

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Speaker 3: a big thing for me growing up that we all

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Speaker 3: knew each other. And then you look at how people

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Speaker 3: live now. They were so atomized when people don't know

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Speaker 3: their neighbors. And this is largely due towards to the

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Speaker 3: internal migrations that have taken place as people are moving

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Speaker 3: from from city to city to find better work over

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Speaker 3: and over, those communities at scale are just smashed up,

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Speaker 3: and so you're living in this situation where you know,

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Speaker 3: people are moving to places where they don't have these

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Speaker 3: great communities.

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Speaker 2: So that's why.

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Speaker 3: And I was mentioning this before that, you know, sort

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Speaker 3: of in the wake of Charlie's murder, I've been reflecting

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Speaker 3: on his interest and why he spends so much time

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Speaker 3: being on campus and building campus organizations and doing it

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Speaker 3: in person because I used to think. I used to

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Speaker 3: think I would say, well, why not just use the internet,

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Speaker 3: why not just use social media?

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Speaker 2: You can do all this online. Why you know, it's

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Speaker 2: so much time and so much effort, as the internet

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Speaker 2: is evil.

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Speaker 3: Jack, But no, it's it's because of this, It's because

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Speaker 3: I realized that there's another layer to it, where Charlie

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Speaker 3: was building human communities, and he was working to build

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Speaker 3: human communities, and obviously, like I'd be remiss, I didn't

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Speaker 3: say that church is a huge example of a human community,

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Speaker 3: which obviously it's a human community that's connecting you with God,

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Speaker 3: which is quite possibly the highest possible human community. And

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Speaker 3: so we absolutely need to do better at building those

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Speaker 3: human communities, human communities that connect us with God, like churches,

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Speaker 3: but at the same time just getting to places where

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Speaker 3: we can go out and just be in public with

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Speaker 3: people once again, as opposed to this atomized online you

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Speaker 3: know PDP warfare all the time.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, as a cybersecurity student, it's really interesting, like hearing

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Speaker 10: I guess the effects of learning about them and thank

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Speaker 10: you for speaking on them, being here and having answering questions.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you for being patient.

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Speaker 19: How do you guys think Blake ANDFT did this is

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Speaker 19: the first one?

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that I think he does? All right?

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Speaker 3: I want to say thank you so much guys for

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Speaker 3: being being a great audience. I asked for bad questions

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Speaker 3: unfortunately did not listen and all of your questions were phenomenal,

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Speaker 3: and thank you to you know, the entire team that

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Speaker 3: put this on, that put it made it together. That

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Speaker 3: I know, there's a lot of volunteers, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of tech work that went into it.

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Speaker 2: So let's give a hand with thee Let's.

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Speaker 19: Give yeah, let's give a hand to the text roll

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Speaker 19: all the volunteers and the local grab had that we

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Speaker 19: had no problems. And by the way, and of course

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Speaker 19: to the law enforcement and security for keeping us all

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Speaker 19: safe today. A lot of times, we know, we know

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Speaker 19: a lot of times that law enforcement gets uh you know,

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Speaker 19: it gets gets painted with a bat brush and a

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Speaker 19: broad brush these days, and I think that's that's absurd

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Speaker 19: because these are people that are, by the way when

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Speaker 19: when nine one one calls, these are the people who

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Speaker 19: come running.

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Speaker 2: And you should always thank a person who's willing to

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Speaker 2: do that very much everybody.

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Speaker 3: And on that I have to run to the airport

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Speaker 3: and I really hope that I don't run into one

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Speaker 3: of Blake's TSA lines.

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Speaker 13: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 13: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.