1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Epicenter weekend edition with New York 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Times bestselling author and midi stexpert Joel Rosenberg. This is 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: a radio program of the Joshua Fund, a ministry founded 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: by Joel and his wife Lynn that's dedicated to blessing 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus. This 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: is a program where we don't just talk about faith 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: in current events. We dive right into the spiritual pulse 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: of the Middle East and the God who is moving 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: so powerfully in it. Every week we unpacked the headlines, 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: the prophecies, and the hope of Christ that's rising in 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: a region so often misunderstood because what happens in the 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: Epicenter doesn't stay there. It's after shocks ripple across the world. Today, 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: we are featuring two timely conversations that explored the opportunities 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: and challenges Israel faces at a pivotal moment in its history. 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: In the first half of today's program, Joel sits down 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: with Ambassador George Deek, Israel's first ever special envoy to 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: the Christian world. Why did Israel create this historic world now? 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Why does Israel believe its relationship with Christians matters so deeply, 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: and how does an Arab Christian whose family has lived 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: in happa for centuries view the future of Christianity in 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: the Middle East. Then, in the second half of the program, 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Joel speaks with Israeli Cabinet Minister Ami kai Ski about 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: the war against Aram, the future of has rising anti 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: Semitism around the world, and what may come next in 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: one of the most consequential conflicts of our generation. Let's 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: join Joel's conversation with Ambassador George Deke. 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: Ambassador George Dee, Welcome, Thank you for having me Joel. 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: Why were you appointed at this particular moment? We say, 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: right in the Jewish calendar, why is this night different 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: from all other night? 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: Israel respects and has good relations with all community and 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: religious communities in it and outside of it. But we 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: do have a special relationship between us and the Christian world. 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: We share the same values, the same commitment to our 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 3: civilization and to the core beliefs that we hold. And 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: because of that, and because of the deep friendship that 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: existed always between Christians and the State of Israel, I 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: think it was the right decision right now by Minister 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: Sar to give a special emphasis and to give a 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: special strategy to building and in many ways reinventing our 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: relations with the Christian world. So I think the decision 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: to appoint me at this point is because it's time 43 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: that we upgrade our relations with the Christian world to. 44 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: A new level. 45 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: What does that mean? 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: First of all, we want Israel, because it is the 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: outpost of the Western world in this region, defending Western 48 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: deferending our Judeo Christian values, to be the place where 49 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: Christians can feel safe to come and visit the Holy Land. 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: Israel is the guardian of the holy places. Israel's the 51 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: guardian of Jerusalem and of Nazareth and of all the 52 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: holy sites. So we want every Christian to come and 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: connect to the Bible, to the Scripture by actually visiting 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: the real sits where Jesus walked, where he preached, where 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: he talked, where he made miracles. 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: So we want them all to come here. 57 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: There have been at least two incidents that have become 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: particularly noteworthy in which too, let's say, several Israeli soldiers 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: operating in southern Lebanon really did some things that were 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: deeply offensive. One there was a photo taken of a 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: young soldier Israeli soldier chopping off the head of a 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: statue of Jesus that was sort of inverted, and then 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: the second as an Israeli soldier putting a cigarette in 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: the mouth of a statue of Mother Mary. Both went viral, 65 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: deeply offensive. How do you respond, I mean you suddenly 66 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: got thrown in the deep end where yeah, it's readily. 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: Government kind of got put on defense a bit over this. 68 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: The response is very clear. We don't believe in cover up. 69 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: We don't believe in covering this kind of incidents. This 70 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: is completely unacceptable. This is abherrent behavior by these soldiers. 71 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: The incidents were immediately condemned by every level of government, 72 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: from the Prime Minister to the Foreign minister and others 73 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: immediately at that point. So there's no room for any 74 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: disrespect towards religious symbols of any religion, not just Christianity. 75 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: What actually was taken against these soldiers, so. 76 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: The soldier, the punitive measures were taken. The soldiers that 77 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: desecrated the cross has been sentenced for over a month 78 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: in prison, and he's also taken out of duty in 79 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: the military. He will no longer be able to serve 80 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: in the military. In military forms. This is very severe punishment. 81 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: The other soldier, the incident just happened a few days ago, 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: or it was actually published a few days ago, so 83 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: it's now being under a judicial review in the military ranks, 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: and he will also be severely punished. And I want 85 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: to say a lot of people use those incidences to 86 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: attack Israel as if Israel does not protect Christian sites 87 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: or Christian people living here. I'll just say it very quickly, 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: and first of all, I'm thankful for all the people 89 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: who show a lot of empathy and a lot of 90 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: sympathy to Christian presence here. And if that criticism makes 91 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: us become a better society, and if that criticism brings 92 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: us to a place where we take more responsibility for 93 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: these incidents to make sure that they never happen again, 94 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: that's great. 95 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 4: But I have to say, as a Christian, that's an 96 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: important point. 97 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: You're the first a Christian I think ever appointed as 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: an ambassador previously, now you're the first ever envoy to 99 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: the Christian world. But you are a Christian, you were 100 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: raised in a Christian home here in Israel. You're a 101 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: native Israeli. Your family goes back like four hundred years 102 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: will get more of your background in a moment, but 103 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: this is you. 104 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: It's not just something you're talking about. 105 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: I grew up here as a Christian, and you know, 106 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: the Christians in the Middle East are the ancient Christians 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: that lived here since the times of Jesus. And right 108 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: now Christians in the Middle East are experiencing ethnic cleansing. 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: The Christians are being driven out from if anywhere, from 110 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: Mosul to Malula, from Baghdad to from Kabul to Istanbul, 111 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: and from Baghdad all the way to. 112 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 4: A Muslim world. 113 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: And even in Iran, Christians are not tremendous persecution and 114 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: are being cleansed out. Isis was actually engaging genocide against 115 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Christians in Iraq and so, but here in Israel it's 116 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: a totally different story. Even though Tucker Carls and others 117 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: try to say that Christians are worse off here than 118 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: in the Arab in Muslim world. 119 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: So in all those places, Christians are being persecuted throughout 120 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 3: the Middle East. Aleppo, which used to have two hundred 121 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: and fifty thousand Christians, is down to less than fifty 122 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: thousand today. In Mosul, in the Iraq, barely any Christians 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: are left today, and we have seen the diminishing, the 124 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: shrinking of the Christian presence throughout the entire Middle East. 125 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: That's happened in Bethlehem as well, when under palace and 126 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: in authority control, the number of Christians plummeted as people 127 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: Christians just laughed, exactly Europe or the goal for America. 128 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: So, as a Christian, I pray that those Christians and 129 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: the real persecuting, not the desecration of a cross, but 130 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: the taking of lives and dignity of people, would get 131 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: the attention that it deserves in comparison to the attention 132 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: we're getting to incidents here in Israel. So and I'm 133 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: not saying that because I want to avert the attention 134 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: to a different places. I'm saying this because there are 135 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: real persecutions, real people suffering on the ground throughout the 136 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: entire Middle East, and those Christians deserve the international attention. 137 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: They deserve people caring about them and raising their voice 138 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: to defend those Christians. And I call all the Christian 139 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: friends that we have abroad, raise your voice for the 140 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: Christians of the Middle East. They are disappearing, and it's 141 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: happening right under our noses, from the places that Jesus walked. 142 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: Barely any Christians are left. And in fact, there's only 143 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: one exception to that rule. There's only one place in 144 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: the entire Middle East where the Christian presence is growing, 145 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: and that's Israel. In Israel, we had in nineteen fifty 146 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: thirty four thousand Christians. Today we have one hundred and 147 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: eighty eight thousand Christians plus in our country. That's four 148 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: hundred percent increase in eighty years. Christians in this country 149 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: are not just surviving, they are thriving. We are part 150 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 3: of the decision making. There are Christians anywhere from the 151 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: academia to the military, to diplomacy, to business to government. 152 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: In every field, are innovators. They are part of our 153 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: high tech nation. We are part of this society. We 154 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: make this society what it is. And in fact, Christians 155 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 3: in Israel. People don't know this fact, but Christians in 156 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: Israel are the most educated community in the country, more 157 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 3: than the Jews. Yeah, we are the most employed. We 158 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: have the lowest number of unemployment in the country, and 159 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: we have some of the best schools with the best 160 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: the Christian schools, the best grades for the baccalaurea, like 161 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: the graduation from high school. 162 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: So Christians are thriving. 163 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 3: In this country. We have opportunities like everyone else. We 164 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: go to the Technion, we go to the Tel Avivi Niverse, 165 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: the mit of Israel and succeed in innovation in business. 166 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: So this is our reality. We must do everything to 167 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: make sure that those voices who are criticizing Israel do 168 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 3: not destroy the only firewall standing between Christian presence in 169 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 3: the region and the terrible faith that the rest of 170 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: the Christians in the region have faced, and that is Israel. 171 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: It's so encouraging to me that you have this role, 172 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: especially because you were already an ambassador for eighteen years 173 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: or a diplomat, and you become an ambassador to a 174 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: Shia Muslim country representing Israel. I think all that history 175 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: is good. I would think you probably didn't want during 176 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: that time to be specifically an Arab Israel or specifically 177 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: a Christian is Religious as Raeli who's doing the job 178 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: of representing the country. But I think this is an 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: amazing moment for such a time as this, to quote 180 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: the Book of Esther and I really appreciate you spending 181 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: time with us, and we're looking forward to following you 182 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: reporting on you and following up with other interviews. I'd 183 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: love to interview you in Jaffa, your hometown. You're in 184 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: here in Jerusalem, and we'll walk the cobblestone streets and 185 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: we wish you well. 186 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 4: We are praying for you in this due role. It's 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: a very important role. 188 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: And I'm encouraged by this seriousness with which is being 189 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 2: taken not just by the foreign mister, who I know 190 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: and appreciate, but also by the Prime mister, who I 191 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: know and appreciate. 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 4: This this is the right time, and thank you Ford 193 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: opportunity my body. 194 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Inside the Epicenter Weekend edition with Joel 195 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: and Lynn Rosenberg. Today's conversations highlight something we often emphasize 196 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: on this program. 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Now, 209 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: for the remainder of today's program, we turn to Joel's 210 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: conversation with Israeli Cabinet Minister Khly. 211 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 2: It's great to have you on the set, Minister, So 212 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 2: grateful than a man chiloam. Look, this has been a 213 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: big week Israelis and Jews around the world, remembering hol 214 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: Coast Remembrance Day, like really the sirens and trying to 215 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: remember the horror really of six million of our people 216 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: being annihilated by a Nazi regime that the world didn't 217 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: take seriously and didn't deal. 218 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: With ahead of time. 219 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: So I want to start there, you know the Prime mister, Well, 220 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: you're in the cabinet, you're in those meetings. How close 221 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: was the Iranian regime to being able to have nuclear 222 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: weapons and being able then pull off a second Holocaust? 223 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 5: Extremely close? Several months? Is the ambition of the Iranian 224 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 5: regime was very clear, the annihilation of the State of 225 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 5: Israel and the Jewish people. It is the Nazi regime 226 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 5: of all the time, an evil and vicious regime, and 227 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 5: well the countess of innocent people, their people in the 228 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 5: streets of Tehran and other cities in Iran, thousands of Americans, 229 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 5: thousands of Israelis, and I think that this is one 230 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 5: of the most important and brave war that we have 231 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 5: had in our history. 232 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: How much damage so far has been done to the 233 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: Iranian regime and maybe even more importantly for us, which 234 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: is we love that regime to go down, but right 235 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: now they're a smoldering wreckage. The question is how much 236 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: damage to their offensive military capabilities, the ballistic missiles, the launchers, 237 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,239 Speaker 2: the suicide drones, and their production facility. What's your assessment 238 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: based on your inside information. 239 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 5: The achievements are beyond imagination. We set three goals before 240 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: the operation started. One the ballistic missiles. So yes, let's 241 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 5: begin with the bad news. The bad news is some 242 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: of their ballistic missiles, several hundreds, are deep within these 243 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 5: mountain bases and are out of reach, and we didn't 244 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: get the opportunity to eliminate the entire pool of the 245 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 5: ballistic missile, but they have lost all the factories that 246 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 5: are related to the production of their ballistic missiles. They 247 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 5: were able to produce several ballistic missiles every single month, 248 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: dozens of ballistic missiles. 249 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: Now it is zero. 250 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 5: Most of the ballistic missiles were intercepted and annihilated. Most 251 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 5: of the trucks that were carrying these missiles were eliminated. 252 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 5: And because we are controlling the sky and yes we 253 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 5: saw it's not one hundred percent guarantee, but we're speaking 254 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 5: about hundreds of airplane twenty four to seven above the 255 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 5: sky tuies of Iran okay, complete al superiority of both 256 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 5: the US and ISEL, and this fact also have a 257 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 5: huge impact on the ability to eliminate every launchers. Right 258 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 5: on time you aim, you go out of your cover 259 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: and you'll automatically become a target. So the ballistic missiles 260 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 5: were dramatically reduced, and we saw that in the first 261 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 5: days of the war, we have hundreds of ballistic missiles 262 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 5: being thrown into Israel and at the end of the 263 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 5: war we saw ten to twenty ballistic missiles, So it's 264 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 5: a totally different scale. 265 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: This is one second. Obviously, nuclear capabilities. 266 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 5: Every single aspect of the nuclear capabilities of Iran, from 267 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: Alak to Natans to is Fan, every facility that is 268 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 5: related to the nuclear plant was destroyed, was attacked. The 269 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 5: scientist Okay, about twenty top scientists who were focused on 270 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: Iranian nucleip program were eliminated. The teams in the army 271 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 5: who were in charge of creating the military aspect of 272 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 5: the program, they were all eliminated. We do have the 273 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 5: problem of the enriched uranium, but the enriched uranium and 274 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 5: the entire plan, that's all of a different story. So 275 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 5: we took Iran. 276 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: In other words, the eleven bombs worth of highly enriched 277 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: uranium that's buried under a mountain right now, that's been obliterated. 278 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: So the question is do we have to go get 279 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: it or do we just keep an eye on it. 280 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 5: No, it is it is a major problem. It is 281 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 5: a major problem. But the capabilities of Iran and the 282 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 5: nuclear capabilities went back dramatically, so it's still a challenge, 283 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 5: but the achievements are very very high. Third, we said 284 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 5: that we are going to create the conditions for a 285 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: regime change, and this is I think the most complicated issue, 286 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: and some people thought, Okay, maybe we're going to drop 287 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 5: some bombs, eliminate leaders, and then we're going to see 288 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 5: regime change. No, that was not what was said, not 289 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 5: by the US and not by is that we said 290 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 5: creating the conditions. We said, we're going to help the 291 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 5: Iranian people. And I think that we have stood in 292 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 5: our world. We came to help the Iranian people. The 293 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: fact that the supreme leader, and this is not a democracy, 294 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 5: losing the supreme leader is a big deal, a very 295 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 5: big deal in a tyranny like Iran. 296 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: Lebanon, you mentioned resmoan how much damage Israel is doing 297 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: with full support of the United States. 298 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: That's fantastic. 299 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: And now starting this week right peace talks, I think 300 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: the first ever really formal, open, publicly admitted direct talks 301 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: to make a peace of normalization agreement or at least 302 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: a cease fire between Lebanon and Israel. 303 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 4: Ever, how optimistic are you? What do you where do 304 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: you think that's going? Okay, so let's let's be very clear. 305 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: Let's put the facts. 306 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 5: On October eighth, a day after the massacre of October seven, 307 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 5: led by Hamas Krisbala joined the war, Israel did not 308 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 5: attack Lebanon or riz Bala. They decided to go into 309 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 5: the war. Later on, we had a cease fire and 310 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 5: we had an agreement with the Lebanese that there will 311 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 5: be no present of Chris Bala in south Lebanon south 312 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 5: to the tetanic level. We all saw what happened now 313 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 5: and once again Hesbala decided to join the war because 314 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 5: of the attacks against the patrons in Iran. Okay, so 315 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 5: two times they opened the war against the state of 316 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 5: without that we have initiated this war. So I think 317 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: that the time for discussion regarding his Bala is over 318 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 5: and his Balad need to be wiped out. But I 319 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 5: think we are in a good direction and hopefully, yes hopefully, 320 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 5: we're going to have peace with the Lebanese government because 321 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 5: we have nothing against Lebanon. And one thing here is important. 322 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 5: The European leaders who are saying we want to have 323 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 5: a ceasefire both in Iran and Lebanon, but when you 324 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: connect to run in Lebanon, you're saying that Lebanon Isribala, 325 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 5: right right, You're saying that Lebanon is his Bala. So 326 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 5: this is a major strategic mistake. If you really care 327 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 5: about Lebanon. You should see the defeat of Risbella, because 328 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 5: Ribella is the enemy of Lebanon before it is the 329 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: enemy of Israel. 330 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: I have to say that. I first of all, I 331 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: agree with your analysis. 332 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: The one other thing is, you know a lot of 333 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: people say, Joel, you know, don't be an optimist about this. 334 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 4: This is there's never been piece. There was peace under David. 335 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: King David had peace with King Hiram, and then Solomon 336 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: had even a stronger piece and built the temple. I 337 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: just look at that and I say, Okay, let's not 338 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: be total passimids. It's difficult, it's hard, it's messy, it's painful, 339 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: but it's been done before. And I think even prophetically, 340 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: Israel is coming to a period of of quiet, you know, 341 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: before you get to Gog and Magog in Ezekiel thirty eight, 342 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: where it goes horribly but I mean good for us 343 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: in the end. But Israel is described as being rebuilt 344 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: as a country and having quiet that we're living securely 345 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: in the land, and we can't say that at the moment. 346 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 4: I think that moment is coming. 347 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: So I'm encouraged as I look at the scriptures and 348 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 2: I want to encourage our Christian audience as well as 349 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: Jewish to be thinking along these ways. Let's talk about 350 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: the global firestorm. That's what I'm calling it, This eighth 351 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: front of horrific jew hatred, hatred against not just against 352 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: Israel and against Jewish people worldwide, but also against Christians 353 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: who love Israel and love Jews. I mean, there really 354 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: is a target now by Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace 355 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: Owens and many others, not just against Israel and the Jews. 356 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: That would be horrible and Diana that would be bad enough, 357 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: but they're really trying to separate Evan, Jocoals and Catholics 358 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: from Israel. 359 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: And George people, this is your portfolio. 360 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: Talk about You've had two, i think conferences on combating 361 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: anti Semitism. 362 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: What is at the heart of this hatred and what 363 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: are you telling Christians? This is what we need from you. 364 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 3: Yes. 365 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 5: So twenty twenty five, and we just published a report. 366 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 5: Was one of the deadliest years in terms of lethal 367 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: anti Semitism incidents. Bondai Beach, Australia fifteen casualties, Manchester two casualties, Boulder, 368 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 5: Colorado Holocaust survivors, an old woman who were demonstrating for 369 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 5: the release of the hostages was murdered by a Molotov cocktail. 370 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 5: And also we had a very serious incident in Michigan 371 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 5: several weeks ago, luckily with no casualties, but it could 372 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 5: have been a very very dramatic Theo attack. What unite 373 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 5: these lethal incidents are most of them are coming from 374 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 5: radical Islamists. And I think that the threat that is 375 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 5: coming from Islam and radical Islam is the thing that 376 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: we need to put a focus on. And my efforts, 377 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 5: especially in the last Conference for Combating Anti Semitism, was 378 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: to bring together leaders from all across the world who 379 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 5: understand the threat coming from radical Islam. If it is 380 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 5: the Swedish Democrats from Sweden, if it is conservative leaders 381 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 5: from Britain, or from France and the US, all over 382 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 5: the place. And I think that when you look at 383 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 5: what's happening now in America, especially dearborn Michigan, we are 384 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: following some of the things that we see in Texas 385 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 5: and the New York of Mamdani Muslim radical I think 386 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 5: America as a very very big challenge with radical Islam. 387 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 5: They have their conferences when they're saying we have a 388 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 5: vision in one hundred years from now, America will become Muslim. 389 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 5: Their vision is to turn us to be like Belgium. 390 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 4: Okay. 391 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 5: They want New York to be like London and Texas 392 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 5: to be like Birmingham. So I think that the warrant 393 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: signs are on the wall, and it is very very 394 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 5: important to understand the gravity because this is not a 395 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: form of faith that is trying to integrate. Okay, I'm 396 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: speaking about the Muslim brotherhood approach. Okay, the islami is approach, 397 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 5: the political Islam. Their aim is to impose Shariloh, to 398 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 5: create a state within a state and to take over 399 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: from within, step by step. And when you're seeing this 400 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 5: ceremony led by man, when they're sitting on the floor 401 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 5: and it brings all these Islamist city to the city hall, sep. 402 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: Yes, So this is this is and then and the 403 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 4: largest is a relation center of Jews outside of when 404 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: he was doing it. 405 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 5: Is goal was to humiliate America, to humiliate America, to 406 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 5: aumiliate Christians, and to immediate Jews. It's not an act 407 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 5: a naive act of face. Okay, that's not that's not 408 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 5: the story. That's not the story. 409 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's our program. 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