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Speaker 1: Life audio.

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Speaker 2: Jesus is not just a way, He is the way.

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Speaker 2: And my friend Melissa just wrote a book all about this.

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Speaker 2: She takes that gospel turns it into a beautiful allegory.

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Speaker 1: That you and your children will love. Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, ladies and gents, and welcome to this

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Speaker 2: week's episode of the Bottom Beloved Podcast. As always, it's

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Speaker 2: a girl Kirby Kelly, and I'm pumped. Honestly, I feel

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Speaker 2: like this could be a twelve hour podcast that we

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Speaker 2: could talk about everything and anything.

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Speaker 1: But y'all know my favorite Melissa Doherty.

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Speaker 2: She's joining me here again on the podcast, but we're

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Speaker 2: talking about a new book that she just wrote that

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Speaker 2: she's launching, and we're gonna talk about some other things too.

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Speaker 2: But I love the timing of this, especially with me

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Speaker 2: being a new mom my baby's coming in April.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: But she just wrote a children's book and it's called

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Speaker 2: The Day That Made the Way, not Anyway the Way.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that in a second.

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Speaker 2: But Melissa, for those who don't know you or haven't

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Speaker 2: listened to our previous episodes or anything like that, can

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Speaker 2: you just introduce yourself to people. Know who you are,

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Speaker 2: what you do, what you're passionate about.

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Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, no, it's so good to be back on

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Speaker 3: here with you like my baby sis.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah No, I'm a Christian apologist. I have a YouTube channel.

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Speaker 3: That's where most people might know me from is YouTube.

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Speaker 3: I cover a lot of different topics from weird wiggity wax,

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Speaker 3: strange spirituality like new Age, new Thought, and everything in between, theology.

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Speaker 3: I do some satire, pretty mediocre s I tire if

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Speaker 3: I say so myself, and apologetics, which is a fancy

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Speaker 3: word for defending the Christian faith, answering all the tough

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Speaker 3: questions that most Christians don't want to answer. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about it. And the last time I was

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Speaker 3: on here, we talked about my book Happy Lies, which

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Speaker 3: talks about the New Thought movement. So yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: it's good. I'm happy to be back on.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here.

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Speaker 2: Y'all gotta go listen to that episode because a lot

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Speaker 2: of people get New Age and New Thought twisted. They

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Speaker 2: don't really know the difference between the two, and that

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Speaker 2: would just be a good video for y'all to listen to,

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Speaker 2: especially given today's day and culture, especially here in the West,

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Speaker 2: So go listen to that.

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Speaker 4: But today we're talking about her new book, and.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I have the joy of being able to read it beforehand.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my copy soon. They reached out to

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Speaker 2: me today, They're like, we're sending you the physical one.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, good, I need to add it to my

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Speaker 2: baby girl's library so I can read it to her

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Speaker 2: and make sure she knows this gospel real well.

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Speaker 4: But tell us about the book, tell us why you

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Speaker 4: wrote it, and tell us what it's about.

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Speaker 3: Sure, So here's the cover of the day that made

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Speaker 3: it the way. It's very intentional. So they reached out

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Speaker 3: to me, and I joke that I'm like, I say

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Speaker 3: no a lot, and because I mean, you know, you

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Speaker 3: know what it's like to write a book. And this

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Speaker 3: was just a very different experience. It was not the same.

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Speaker 3: Partnering with Brave. They're a wonderful company. It's not just

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Speaker 3: this book. They have a lot of other children's books,

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Speaker 3: and so we were a part of that. We have

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Speaker 3: of Brave when it comes to that, and they're always

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Speaker 3: faith based, and so yeah, they reached out to me

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Speaker 3: little easter eggs huh pun intended inside the book of

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Speaker 3: my children. They got to design their own little characters. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was really fun. And of course they you know

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Speaker 3: all their art and I'm like, that's a little it's

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Speaker 3: And then the bright one comes, you know, and anybody

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Speaker 3: It's it's just a beautiful allegory. My favorite Easter egg

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Speaker 3: Dandelions. And my oldest wanted to add this. She loves dandelions.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole spiritual underlying meaning behind the dandelions in it. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it was an allegory and this is the thing

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Speaker 3: seeing how many Christians are running towards lies that they

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Speaker 3: And one of my favorite lines of all time in

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Speaker 3: It was really a family project.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: That's so special, just all the little like bits and

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Speaker 2: pieces that your family got to contribute to it, and

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Speaker 2: that you being impacted by allegory. Now you get to

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Speaker 1: I have the Jesus Storybook Bible.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever read it or owned

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Speaker 1: So good, Like you need it.

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Speaker 4: Like, miss Kirby, are you okay, Like go.

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Speaker 2: To bed, and I'm just like here like reading this

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Speaker 2: And I love that you're contributing to that because I

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Speaker 1: And it starts with knowing the gospel.

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Speaker 2: And what what that meant, like what Jesus did, but

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Speaker 2: also how that is that invitation for us today. So

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Speaker 1: I want them to know the truth and to live

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Speaker 2: But I guess let's just start there, Like what what

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Speaker 2: Because this resource is something that's going to equip parents

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Speaker 2: to have confidence going into those conversations. But I'm wondering,

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Speaker 2: like what was that like for you with raising little

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Speaker 3: And there's something about that acceptance of Okay, here's what

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Speaker 2: Like you cover these things, and I feel like you

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Speaker 3: the time. This was a paradigm shift from me, girl,

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Speaker 3: when when I got explained that. When when I got

433
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Speaker 3: this part, I was like, oh my gosh, God doesn't

434
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Speaker 3: send anybody to Hell. We're already on our way to hell.

435
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Speaker 3: But we're already there, like we're born, Like it makes

436
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Speaker 3: perfect sense. We're already born as children of the devil.

437
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Speaker 3: This is why you must be born again.

438
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Speaker 2: Like me, I was like, oh, oh, this makes so

439
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Speaker 2: much sense.

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Speaker 3: I love John three. Love John three and John in

441
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: general is my favorite gospel. I mean, here's Jesus given

442
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Speaker 3: a tongue lashing to the Pharisees. He's like, you know

443
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Speaker 3: you love your father the devil, right, and you know, John,

444
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Speaker 3: I get I guess In first John repeats this, this

445
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Speaker 3: element of you know that your children of the devil,

446
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Speaker 3: your children of darkness, you must be born again. And

447
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Speaker 3: I'm like, man, that's so good, because Jesus is here

448
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: to save you from the darkness. You're already in the dark,

449
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: like and if we can get that, then we'll understand

450
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Speaker 3: why Jesus had to come. And so that's the whole idea.

451
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Speaker 3: You know, these these sunders, these creatures in the book

452
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Speaker 3: represent us, you know, darkness and grime, and they don't

453
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Speaker 3: like the light go away, right, And the ones that

454
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Speaker 3: get close to the light, they're like, ooh, I'm afraid

455
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Speaker 3: of that. Everything's going to be exposed if I go

456
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Speaker 3: into that light. I don't I don't like that. And

457
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Speaker 3: so they stay out of it in their darkness because

458
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Speaker 3: they love their sin, they love their darkness. But there's

459
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Speaker 3: one little Sunder.

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Speaker 2: You know.

461
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Speaker 3: He reaches down into the light and he sees you know,

462
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Speaker 3: the bright one who represents you know, Messiah, Jesus, and

463
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Speaker 3: he runs towards it, and I'm like, yes, let that

464
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Speaker 3: be you, Let your deeds be exposed. That's where freedom is.

465
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Speaker 3: And so there's this idea of everything, all these really

466
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Speaker 3: really cool biblical concepts of salvation redemption, like these heavy things.

467
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Speaker 3: Heavy I say heavy, but it's so easy that a

468
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Speaker 3: child can understand it.

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Speaker 1: It's a simple, a simple gospel.

470
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Speaker 3: It's so simple. Beware of those who make it complicated,

471
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Speaker 3: Beware of those who want to add everything to it.

472
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Speaker 3: Right and then and then this is the beauty of

473
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Speaker 3: it is, here's where the sanctification happens. Is a girl.

474
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Speaker 3: I had garbage theology when I got saved.

475
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Speaker 1: I did not like the Trinity.

476
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Speaker 3: I had a really weird understanding of the Trinity. I mean,

477
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Speaker 3: I was a new thought, right, it really got in

478
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Speaker 3: there and messed up some things. But I was saved.

479
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Speaker 3: And as time goes on, there's this actification and this

480
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Speaker 3: drawing of what is true about God that lives in you.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean I think there's always hope. There's always

483
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Speaker 3: hope for people who might even be in deception. Right.

484
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Speaker 3: It's that the parable of the sower in the seeds,

485
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Speaker 3: right where the seed gets scattered and the weeds come

486
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Speaker 3: up alongside where that good seed was. I really feel

487
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Speaker 3: like that was me for a while, you know. I

488
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Speaker 3: was wrapped up in some stuff and just couldn't grow,

489
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Speaker 3: you know. And so I think that there's lots of hope,

490
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Speaker 3: and I think that there's something there to be said

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Speaker 3: about darkness and light and how it plays a part

492
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Speaker 3: and how we present all of this to our children.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 4: Like I know, I keep saying that, like I love this,

495
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Speaker 4: I love it, but I do.

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Speaker 1: I love the imagery in the book. I loved reading it.

497
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Speaker 2: Like I said, I think some of the books that

498
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Speaker 2: have impacted me the most of my Christian faith walk

499
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Speaker 2: and I've been loving these big, thick theology books where

500
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to look up half of these words,

501
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: because what is going on has been these these simple

502
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Speaker 2: children's books, because it's it's such a simple gospel, like

503
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: obviously there's so much depth to it. The theology words

504
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: they matter, sin, redemption, you know, atonement, like all these things.

505
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Speaker 2: They matter, and they provide context so that my whole

506
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Speaker 2: thing is like an informed theology informs.

507
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Speaker 1: Our love for God, like we need to have a right.

508
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Speaker 2: Theology, a correct theology, a contextual theology that is that

509
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: does the scripture's justice right, it honors what it's actually saying,

510
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: because it's not just to know it all, but it's

511
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Speaker 2: to know him right. That's the hope, is that it's

512
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Speaker 2: to know him, to love him, to be in relationship

513
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Speaker 2: with him, and to be a part of his kingdom

514
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Speaker 2: work and what he's called us.

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Speaker 1: To doshi of that worship.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, but it doesn't need to be so complicated.

517
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Speaker 4: Like Jesus said, let the little children come to me.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, I think your book is just such

519
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Speaker 2: a beautiful picture of that of like little children, Yeah,

520
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Speaker 2: can come to him and actually be able to picture

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Speaker 2: and hold onto these things in a way where it's like, oh,

522
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Speaker 2: this makes sense to me, Like I can actually understand

523
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Speaker 2: these things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't, but you don't know until you

525
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Speaker 3: have to explain it to a child.

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Speaker 2: That part, that part, I'm so excited for the question why.

527
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Speaker 2: I know so many parents probably dread it and they

528
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Speaker 2: got it and maybe I'm saying girl, I'm like, there's

529
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Speaker 2: probably gonna be a day where it's like.

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Speaker 1: Well, why, well, why well why?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like, girl, look it up, because I

532
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: don't know, like we might get to that point, but

533
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Speaker 2: I want to be prepared enough that I can, to

534
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Speaker 2: my best ability, answer those whys, or at least bring

535
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Speaker 2: them her alongside me, to figure out the why, to

536
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Speaker 2: figure out the who, the what, the wind, the where,

537
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: the how, all that, but to land the plane. I

538
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Speaker 2: want to talk about the title because that's something that

539
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: we talked about very beginning before we started recording, because

540
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Speaker 2: I think that is like such a cherry on top

541
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Speaker 2: thing that is really an important distinction.

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Speaker 1: The day that made the way.

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Speaker 2: Why did you pick to put why? Why the way

544
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Speaker 2: and not a way?

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Speaker 3: Well? Because I think this is brilliant. Yeah, because there's

546
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Speaker 3: not just a way. He's Jesus is not one of

547
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Speaker 3: many ways. And this is the one of the hardest

548
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Speaker 3: things for I think skeptics or maybe progressives, they will

549
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Speaker 3: not say no, no, no, Jesus is not the only way,

550
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Speaker 3: and they have just created for themselves a lot of

551
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: really difficult hoops to jump through with that because we're

552
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: not the one saying that, Like, this is not a

553
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Speaker 3: claim that we're just reading into the text. This is

554
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: something that's drawn contextually from the claims of Jesus that

555
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Speaker 3: he is the way. He is the only way. There's

556
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Speaker 3: one unique God who became his own creation, who paid

557
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Speaker 3: a debt, a sind debt, took all the darkness on

558
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Speaker 3: himself and turned it into you know, to light. Basically, right,

559
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: he paid a sind debt that we could not pay.

560
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Speaker 3: And that's the idea is that it's just this weird,

561
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Speaker 3: works based Pharisee kind of religion. I call it soft

562
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: legalism to say that Jesus is a way, because that

563
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Speaker 3: implies there's other ways to be saved. Well, then how

564
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: then are you saved? Well, you know, I got to

565
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: do this, do that? You fill in the blank. It's

566
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Speaker 3: just another works faced religion, that's all it is. If

567
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Speaker 3: Jesus is a way that implies that there's other ways

568
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Speaker 3: that you need to do in order to be saved

569
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Speaker 3: to reach God, that's not how that works. He's the way,

570
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Speaker 3: the only way because you can't, you cannot do it,

571
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Speaker 3: and once you realize that you can't do it, that's

572
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Speaker 3: when surrender happens, you know. And speaking of light, something

573
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Speaker 3: that people think of almost every single time that this

574
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Speaker 3: comes up.

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Speaker 2: As well.

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Speaker 3: What about those who've never heard? Right, we love apologetics.

577
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Speaker 3: We deal with this all the time. What about those

578
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: who have never heard? You know, what about this? What

579
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Speaker 3: about that? Right? Speaking of light and God being a

580
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Speaker 3: good judge, Right, he's the perfect judge. God is good.

581
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Speaker 3: He judges people on the light that they have been given.

582
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Speaker 3: Is as simple as that. This is Romans one stuff.

583
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Speaker 3: You have general revelation. Okay, general revelation, let's get nerdy

584
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Speaker 3: for a second, and.

585
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Speaker 1: Then general and special one.

586
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Speaker 3: We all have the same playing field. We all can see.

587
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Speaker 3: They call this the fancy word te leelogical, right, the

588
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: design of the universe, of us, of everything. And they know,

589
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: even the ancients know, those those people in the Amazon

590
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Speaker 3: that you're worried about, they know God exists. Why aren't

591
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: they atheists? Interesting? Anyway, I digress, But there's a response

592
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: to that, Who is this God? I want to know more?

593
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: Right than there's special revelation, it's no. You know, people

594
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Speaker 3: who live in these areas, who get visions, dreams, a missionary, right,

595
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: there's special revelation given to them. If the word of God,

596
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: if you respond to the truth you've been given, God

597
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: will give you the truth, right, and so there's a

598
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: whole argument for that. But he is the way, and

599
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Speaker 3: if he is the way, he will find the way

600
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Speaker 3: to get you the way, like how to get the way,

601
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Speaker 3: and so that, yeah, there's a whole there's a whole

602
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: apologetic argument for the exclusivity of Jesus. And it's not

603
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: a bad thing. That is a good thing. It makes

604
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Speaker 3: the cross make sense.

605
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.

606
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Speaker 2: I remember learning all of that when I was in

607
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: DBU in my master not my master's program, my undergrad

608
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: program and loving that because I think that is something

609
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: that so many people wrestle with, is this idea of like, well,

610
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Speaker 2: if he's so good and he's such a loving God

611
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Speaker 2: and he makes himself known and he did that, it's like, girl,

612
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: the answer is there, Boy, the answer is there.

613
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Speaker 1: God thought of.

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Speaker 2: It all well.

615
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Speaker 3: And some Calvinists don't like this answer. I'm not reformed

616
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Speaker 3: and not a reformed Calvinist. My friend Frank Frank Turk says,

617
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Speaker 3: this is that.

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Speaker 1: And this is a there's.

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Speaker 3: Another theological theological argument of They call it the Hiddennis

620
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Speaker 3: of God, Like okay, well, where is this right? And

621
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Speaker 3: it's actually a very beautiful philosophical truth about God. Is

622
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: that He gives just enough of himself so that just

623
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: enough light so that if you want to see free will,

624
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Speaker 3: if you want to see you will, he cannot overpower that.

625
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: To have real love, you have to have free will.

626
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: You have to freely choose to love. Yes, it's a choice.

627
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: And so he gives just enough light so that if

628
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Speaker 3: you want to believe, if you want more light, he'll

629
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: give you more light. But there's just enough light that

630
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: if you don't want to see, there's a hardening there. Right,

631
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: there's a choice that cannot be overpowered. And I think

632
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: that that's a very important concept. Then we all have

633
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Speaker 3: talked to them the hardened heart. And I mentioned Pilgrim's

634
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Speaker 3: Progress before. The best picture of this, the animated version

635
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Speaker 3: Pilgrim's Progress. There is a character called oh is it pliable? No,

636
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Speaker 3: it's not pliable, obstinate Obstinate, which means stubborn. Pliable means

637
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: they're very easily swayed. Yeah, And so you see how

638
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: each character stands for these things. Obstinate is stubborn and obstinate, Right,

639
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: Christians sitting there talking to obstinate about this book?

640
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Speaker 4: Here?

641
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: Here, the truth is in here. Don't you see an

642
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: obstinence answer is so interesting. He's like, no, I don't

643
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 3: see and quite frankly, I don't want to. And I'm like, WHOA,

644
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: that is good because that is the posture of a

645
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: lot of people. It's like, here, here's truth, here's evidence.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to see that. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: see that. I don't I don't care about that. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of the that's kind of the heart posture. And

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Speaker 3: then it's just again with wisdom, kind of have to

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Speaker 3: learn how to deal with that. But it does matter, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I mean there's there's very beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I want to say, philosophical deep truths that are within

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Speaker 3: reality that tell us who God is and we can

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Speaker 3: draw from those.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely God wants. God wants his people to know him.

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Speaker 2: And that's a whole other podcast episode I could film.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's just.

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Speaker 2: The trying to wrap your mind around the sovereignty of

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Speaker 2: God coexisting with the free will that He has given us.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like you want I are in the

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Speaker 2: same camp there where I'm like, I believe God being

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Speaker 2: so much bigger than me. Those two things work out

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Speaker 2: in this beautiful dance that I am just listening.

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Speaker 1: To the music too.

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Speaker 3: You know that is providence, right, So God's providence. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that is the beautiful word that explains how God can

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Speaker 3: always be in control with his creation, who has free will,

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Speaker 3: and his providence is him working in his sovereignty and

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Speaker 3: that free will. It's beautiful. I love God's providence. That

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Speaker 3: is one of my favorite things about you know, the attributes,

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Speaker 3: attributes and characteristic. Yeah, it's really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the rabbit hole that everyone can go down

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Speaker 2: today is the providence of God.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they clicked on this.

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Speaker 2: They're like Christian children's book, like the providence of God.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what I love about you, is that

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Speaker 2: you go, you go deep, you make it fun.

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Speaker 1: Were you there?

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Speaker 3: Weren't? No?

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Speaker 2: Literally, But then it's not just like Okay, here's a

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Speaker 2: fancy word and I don't know what to do with it,

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Speaker 2: or how this relates to the gospel, how this relates

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Speaker 2: to me and my relationship with God. It's these foundational

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Speaker 2: things that as we grow in our faith, we should

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Speaker 2: be going deeper into these things, not for the sake

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Speaker 2: of just being some Christian scholar who says I know

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Speaker 2: it all, but to be a faithful disciple who worships,

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Speaker 2: knows and loves God and is able to help others,

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Speaker 2: the vulnerable, the least, the loss, the last, whoever you

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Speaker 2: want to say, the children, the adults to be able

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Speaker 2: to walk out faith and reason the faith too, because

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Speaker 2: faith is a reasoning trust.

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Speaker 1: We can we can.

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Speaker 2: Truly believe this ancient religion if you will this very

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Speaker 2: real God who is still real today and have a

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Speaker 2: relationship with You're.

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Speaker 3: Going to You're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: Literally, I'm like ABC's Asians for Annointed, these dans beatitude.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna make my own children's book.

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 3: You should make a satirical children's for baby theologians. You

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Speaker 3: should do that. That's a great idea.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 4: Forget about Gerber Godber. You know.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Melissa, where can people grab their copy of the book,

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Speaker 2: Because by the time this episode is out, they can,

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Speaker 2: they can get it, they can order it. I'll link

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Speaker 2: it all down below, but tell them give them the

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Speaker 2: whole s sure. I don't know when this will be out.

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Speaker 2: It's out March eleventh of twenty twenty six. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how late you'll be, but.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the day it'll be in April.

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Speaker 1: It'll be in April to.

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Speaker 3: Day that the day that made the way. It's real

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Speaker 3: easy and go to Madethway dot com. You have three

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Speaker 3: options to buy the book. Oh and asunder plush. These

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Speaker 3: plushies are adorable. They have those together with a book bundle,

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Speaker 3: and then you can join the Brave Book Club if

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Speaker 3: you want. But yeah, go to Maddthway dot com to

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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 1: Awesome and I'll link that too.

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Speaker 2: If y'all are just like I don't want to type

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Speaker 2: all that out, you can scroll.

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Speaker 4: Click, add the car, get a little pleasure to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to get one of those added to

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Speaker 1: my collector Richard.

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Speaker 2: Richard will look over and he's like, there's more here

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Speaker 2: than there was last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so funny. How give it? Give it multiply?

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Speaker 3: Like right, the plush you know, it's all the trend

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Speaker 3: of this. The kids love the plushes. So whenever Brave

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Speaker 3: was like, let's do something with the book and they

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Speaker 3: said plush, I'm like, that's let's do that. It was fine.

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Speaker 2: That well, sweet y'all could pick that up for your

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Speaker 2: kid or for you, I don't know, maybe you like

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Speaker 2: to collect, but no, we can.

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Speaker 3: We can.

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Speaker 4: We can be weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know me with like my jelly cats and

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Speaker 2: like looking over there, I'm like really cute over there.

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Speaker 4: But o dang.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks Melissa, Thanks for taking time to be

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Speaker 2: on here to just chat, to chat about your book

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Speaker 2: and chat about all things motherhood and theology.

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Speaker 3: Your shirt always love coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me absolutely, and to all of y'all

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Speaker 2: who listened and tuned in.

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Speaker 4: I hope that this conversation was encouraging.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you thought it was gonna go

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Speaker 2: this way. I knew it probably would because I loved

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Speaker 2: theology and I love Melissa, so I was excited to

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Speaker 2: have her on. But I hope that it encouraged you

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Speaker 2: in whatever way your own faith walk.

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Speaker 1: In your family that you have, or maybe even.

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Speaker 2: Your future family that you're praying for, you're trying for.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm excited to see what testimonies

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Speaker 2: come from this and specifically this book.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: It's linked down below.

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Speaker 2: Grab your copy today and I will see you guys

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Speaker 2: here again next week on the Bottom Beloved Podcast.

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Speaker 4: But until then, love you guys.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Live in the light.

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Speaker 2: For more life giving, faith based podcast just like this one.

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