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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Scott Jennings Show.
Speaker 1: Weekend.
Speaker 3: Terror in Washington reminds us that, yes, in fact, the
Speaker 3: American left has a violence problem. We'll discuss in just
Speaker 3: a moment what is the security fallout from Saturday night's
Speaker 3: attack on President Trump At the White House correspondence dinner.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to a former deputy director of the Secret
Speaker 3: Service for his opinion, and we get the latest on
Speaker 3: Iran today as the details of diplomacy remain murky as
Speaker 3: we enter a new week of ceasefire and blockade. It
Speaker 3: is Monday, April the twenty seventh. This is common sense
Speaker 3: for the American people. I'm Scott Jennings, broadcasting for Salem
Speaker 3: from your nation's capital. On this day in history, twelve
Speaker 3: ninety six, King Edward the First of England invaded Scotland,
Speaker 3: setting off years of warfare between the two nations. And
Speaker 3: as for today's news, the present King of England, King
Speaker 3: Charles the Third, arrives in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: For a state visit the British Royals.
Speaker 3: We'll meet with President Trump host a garden party at
Speaker 3: which yours truly is expected to be present and deliver
Speaker 3: and addressed to Congress. These two great nations have been
Speaker 3: the protectors of Western civilization in decades past. Perhaps the
Speaker 3: King will leave here imbued with and reminded of that
Speaker 3: spirit as his own nation grapples with an immigration crisis
Speaker 3: that has warped its domestic politics and jeopardized its standing
Speaker 3: as a pillar of the West. Now to the weekends
Speaker 3: events in Washington, d C. The annual White House Correspondent's
Speaker 3: Dinner was to take place Saturday night at the Washington Hilton,
Speaker 3: site of an attempted assassination of President Reagan in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty one. This dinner takes place at this location every year.
Speaker 3: All of Washington's journalists, powerbrokers, special interests, government officials, even
Speaker 3: if you celebrities, gat to celebrate the First Amendment. Other
Speaker 3: presidents have routine lee attended this dinner, but not President Trump,
Speaker 3: who hasn't been since twenty eleven, when President Obama famously
Speaker 3: made fun of him, leading Washington's elite to laugh at
Speaker 3: the one day, forty fifth and forty seventh president. Those
Speaker 3: are jokes, I'm sure the elite wish they could have back.
Speaker 3: Since then, Trump has snubbed the dinner, but this year,
Speaker 3: for some reason, he decided to attend and then terror struck.
Speaker 3: Thirty one year old Cole Thomas Allen of Torrance, California
Speaker 3: rushed the security checkpoint with a shotgun, two handguns, and
Speaker 3: multiple knives. He was taken down by Secret Service, but
Speaker 3: shockingly avoided being shot himself. Allan did hit a Secret
Speaker 3: Service agent in the bulletproof vest.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, he'll be okay.
Speaker 3: Thomas the shooter is now under arrest and faces several
Speaker 3: federal charges. He's appearing in district court in Washington today.
Speaker 3: In the hours that followed the dinner, which was postponed,
Speaker 3: a clear picture emerged. This man, a school teacher with
Speaker 3: a PhD from Caltech, had been marinating in standard issue
Speaker 3: left wing talking points, things you hear every day on
Speaker 3: cable news and on the left's favorite social media websites.
Speaker 3: He also attended a No King's rally, apparently where people
Speaker 3: routinely hold signs and call for Trump's death. Trump is hitler,
Speaker 3: Trump is a fascist. Trump is a racist, Trump is
Speaker 3: a threat to democracy. Trump is a pedophile. That is
Speaker 3: what Cole Allen was marinating in on a regular basis,
Speaker 3: and he was programmed by people like Congressman Ted lu
Speaker 3: Take a listen to Cut seventeen.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is in the Epstein files thousands and thousands
Speaker 4: of times.
Speaker 5: In those files, there's highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump
Speaker 5: raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the shooter believed Ted Luw's lies and decided to
Speaker 3: do something about it. I mean, if you believed all
Speaker 3: the things they say about Trump, you could see how
Speaker 3: someone might get the idea that killing him is a
Speaker 3: good idea. Would it be a good idea to kill Hitler?
Speaker 3: After all? But when violent action occurs, we get Democrats
Speaker 3: immediately claiming they have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Listen to Congressman Jamie Raskin on Sunday morning, the morning
Speaker 3: after this on CNN.
Speaker 1: It's jaw dropping cut eighteen.
Speaker 5: And you have, as many of your fellow Democrats have
Speaker 5: used some heated rhetoric against the president. And do you
Speaker 5: think twice about that when something like this happened.
Speaker 3: What rhetoric do you have in mind? What a complete
Speaker 3: and total joke of a human being, The idea that
Speaker 3: he doesn't know what is said on the left about
Speaker 3: Trump that incites all these lunatics to violence. This sort
Speaker 3: of feigned ignorance is a permission structure to keep it going.
Speaker 3: But it isn't confined to a clown like Raskin. None
Speaker 3: other than the former President of the United States, Barack Obama,
Speaker 3: on late Sunday afternoon, well after we knew the motivations
Speaker 3: of the left wing lunatic shooter, issued a statement about
Speaker 3: the matter. I'll read you the first sentence and I quote,
Speaker 3: although we don't yet have the details about the motives
Speaker 3: behind last night shooting end quote. This is insidious, it
Speaker 3: is sick, and it is what the left does to
Speaker 3: keep the violence in the violent rhetoric going. They have
Speaker 3: no ability to control their radical base, and so people
Speaker 3: like Raskin and Obama have just decided to excuse it
Speaker 3: by pretending to ignore it. And guess what, six months
Speaker 3: from now, six years from now, some Democrat talking head
Speaker 3: on cable TV will say, oh, we don't really know
Speaker 3: why that guy shot up the White House Correspondence dinner.
Speaker 3: Even Obama said so. Just a couple of days before
Speaker 3: the dinner, the most hateful man in America, Jimmy Kimmel,
Speaker 3: gave this mock dinner speech.
Speaker 1: Listen to this cut eleven our first left, dy Malania
Speaker 1: is here.
Speaker 4: Look at more's so beautiful, missus Trump. You have a
Speaker 4: glow like an expectant widow, you.
Speaker 3: Know, laughing laughing at that, they were, Do you get it?
Speaker 3: Do you understand? This isn't Kimmel being funny. This is
Speaker 3: wish casting, This is dreaming, this is hoping. This is
Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel trying to will into existence the death of
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And he pretty much does this on a
Speaker 3: nightly basis. Three weeks ago, Saturday Night Live joked about
Speaker 3: Trump being assassinated cut nineteen.
Speaker 4: President Trump attended the opening night of Chicago at the
Speaker 4: Kennedy Center. And I think that's cool that the president
Speaker 4: is going to the theater.
Speaker 6: I mean, what's the worst that could happen?
Speaker 3: The liberals have decided that the trouble was subtlety is
Speaker 3: that not everyone gets it.
Speaker 1: So they just pretty much say out loud.
Speaker 3: Now their preferred outcomes and hope for someone to take
Speaker 3: them up on it. Last September, the biggest buffoon in
Speaker 3: American politics, Tim Walls was hoping to wake up to
Speaker 3: news that Trump had died. Cut twenty you get up
Speaker 3: in the morning and you doom scroll through things. And
Speaker 3: although I will say this, the last few days.
Speaker 1: You woke up thinking there might be news.
Speaker 2: Just saying, just saying, there will be news sometime, just
Speaker 2: so you know there will be.
Speaker 1: News, folks.
Speaker 3: They aren't hiding it and they aren't sorry about it either.
Speaker 3: Democratic candidates know what time it is in their party.
Speaker 3: They know exactly what their radical base wants to hear,
Speaker 3: listen to Abdel al sayed, the leading Democrat candidate for
Speaker 3: send it Up in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Cut twenty one.
Speaker 7: We don't knock down, with all due respect that they
Speaker 7: go low, we don't go high.
Speaker 8: We take them to the mud and choke them out.
Speaker 3: And last week Democrat leader Hakeem Jeffries issued orders to
Speaker 3: the nation's radicals cut fourteen.
Speaker 8: We are in an era.
Speaker 4: Of maximum warfare everywhere, all the time, and we're going
Speaker 4: to keep the pressure on Republicans in every single state
Speaker 4: in the Union to ensure at the end of the
Speaker 4: day that there is a fair national map, because we
Speaker 4: believe that it's the people who should decide who's in
Speaker 4: the majority in the next Congress, not Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Maximum warfare, folks, we have a left wing violence problem
Speaker 3: in America. As I had to explain to a CNN
Speaker 3: panel on Sunday Afternoon Cut twenty two, you can understand
Speaker 3: why we're on edge as conservative zough three times the President,
Speaker 3: Steve Scalise, Brett Kavanaugh, Charlie Kirk. Heck, there was even
Speaker 3: a plot against Russ Volt the other day. Who's the
Speaker 3: head of the Office of Management and Budget. I mean,
Speaker 3: Conservatives are I think rightfully on edge because this keeps
Speaker 3: happening over and over and over again, and people keep
Speaker 3: calling the Donald Trump and Nazi, and they keep calling
Speaker 3: him a fascist, and they keep repeating lies about him
Speaker 3: that are not true, yet they keep getting repeated regarding Epstein.
Speaker 1: And other things.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just telling you as a Conservative who lives
Speaker 3: in this every day. My friend was murdered last year,
Speaker 3: My presidents had three assassination attempts. I have a notot
Speaker 3: in my stomach about it every day that I wake up.
Speaker 3: We have a left wing violence problem in this country. Media, comedians, politicians,
Speaker 3: even some of the left wings supposed religious leaders, all
Speaker 3: of them creating permission structures and excuses and motivations for
Speaker 3: violence against President Trump and his party.
Speaker 1: It is disgusting.
Speaker 3: It is dangerous, and to be honest, I cannot believe
Speaker 3: how calm the President himself is about all of it.
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Speaker 1: This is where you come the Scotch Eennicks Show.
Speaker 3: It is Monday, April the twenty seventh. As I glance
Speaker 3: at the monitor, I see the White House Press Secretary
Speaker 3: Caroline Levitt at the podium. We'll grab some sound from Caroline.
Speaker 3: See what she has to say. I suspect she's got
Speaker 3: some harsh words for Jimmy Kimmel and others who've been
Speaker 3: inciting violence against President Trump and the President today will
Speaker 3: reportedly meet with his national security team in the Situation
Speaker 3: Room talking about Iran. It comes after some peace talks
Speaker 3: we're canceled in Pakistan over the weekend. Someone who's been
Speaker 3: in the situation room and in these kinds of meetings
Speaker 3: is Victoria Coach. She joins us now. She's at the
Speaker 3: Heritage Foundation and she's a former deputy National Security Advisor
Speaker 3: to the President. Victoria, thanks for coming on the Scott
Speaker 3: Jennings Show today.
Speaker 1: Let's start here.
Speaker 3: Give us your impression of where we stand with Iran
Speaker 3: and the prospect of peace talks occurring.
Speaker 7: This week.
Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you, Scott, this is the darnedest thing.
Speaker 8: It's like the Tales two Wars. On the one hand,
Speaker 8: you have this narrative that's being pushed by the New
Speaker 8: York Times, Washington Posts, maybe even by some of your
Speaker 8: colleagues on another news network, that we are losing this war,
Speaker 8: that Garan is playing masterfully being Chairman Chancellor Mertz of
Speaker 8: Germany came out today and said that the United States
Speaker 8: is being humiliated by Iran, and it runs in the
Speaker 8: base of every fact we know about this war, in
Speaker 8: which we have crushed them militarily. They're going into day
Speaker 8: fifty nine with no Internet for ninety nine percent of
Speaker 8: their citizens. They're dragging junk ships out of dry dock
Speaker 8: to stuff whale into them because they're running out of storage.
Speaker 8: Their currency has no value, and the president has all
Speaker 8: the cards. He can just sit there and watch that
Speaker 8: whole country implode. So I think they'll be talking about
Speaker 8: how they can exploit the very real leverage that they have.
Speaker 8: Can it's the Iranians not to listen to the New
Speaker 8: York Times in the Washington Post and to look at
Speaker 8: the reality of what they face and come to the
Speaker 8: table and make a decent deal.
Speaker 1: Victoria Coach is our guest.
Speaker 3: Victoria, tell us what you think Iran's immediate future is
Speaker 3: when it comes to their economy. We still have this
Speaker 3: naval blockade going on, and even though a lot of
Speaker 3: people in the media want to argue that Iran has
Speaker 3: more time here than the United States, I tend to
Speaker 3: think it's the opposite. The Iranian economy is being choked
Speaker 3: off from this oil revenue and other shipping revenue on
Speaker 3: a daily basis.
Speaker 1: Is it days, is it weeks?
Speaker 3: How much longer can the Iranian economy withstand the US
Speaker 3: naval blockade, which I think has been extremely successful.
Speaker 8: It really has been, and it's broke old paradigm that
Speaker 8: we have to be held hostage by the Iranians because
Speaker 8: of the strait of hormotes. That's not true anymore. And
Speaker 8: so there are going to be a couple of benchmarks.
Speaker 8: The first is this storage issue they have for oil
Speaker 8: that they probably have another five six days that they
Speaker 8: can pump at normal capacity and store it. And after
Speaker 8: that they're going to have to make some really hard
Speaker 8: decisions about potentially capping wells, which can be as I'm
Speaker 8: sure you know, very damaging to that precious resource for them.
Speaker 8: Then there is the issue of the currency. They announced
Speaker 8: before the war they were going to print five million
Speaker 8: reale notes. They're now up to ten million real notes.
Speaker 8: So I don't know if we're going to go to
Speaker 8: twenty you know, what's what they're going to do about
Speaker 8: their currency. And then there is the issue of when
Speaker 8: they turn their stock market back on, which has been
Speaker 8: shuttered since early March. I mean, will we see historic
Speaker 8: They have to do it at some point, and what
Speaker 8: we see historic capital flight out of Irun. So I
Speaker 8: think this is going to be a rolling situation rather
Speaker 8: than a single, you know, a single episode pushing it
Speaker 8: over the edge. But it's very hard to see how
Speaker 8: they solve those systemic problems.
Speaker 3: Victoria Coats, thanks for your commentary on a RAN before
Speaker 3: we go. I didn't want to find out if you
Speaker 3: had any reaction to the attempted assassination the third time
Speaker 3: of President Trump. This weekend, I was doing coverage on
Speaker 3: CNN as I usually do for the White House Correspondent's Dinner.
Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw that news?
Speaker 8: It was just shocking. Each of these episodes over the
Speaker 8: last couple of years where President Trump has been directly targeted.
Speaker 8: Has been a real shock to the political system, and
Speaker 8: I think shows us how dangerous the vitriol is that
Speaker 8: is boiling on the left towards him, very personally and
Speaker 8: towards anyone who associates with him. I mean, I've been
Speaker 8: on the receiving end of it. I'm sure you have.
Speaker 8: It is ugly, it's divisive, and it is beholden on
Speaker 8: Democrat leadership to call it out and put an end
Speaker 8: to it before somebody really gets hurt.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Democratic leadership, I'm afraid though, has just decided to
Speaker 3: ignore it or pretend it isn't happening, because, honestly, Victoria,
Speaker 3: I think radical base has.
Speaker 1: Control of them and not the other way around.
Speaker 3: Victoria Coates is vice president at the Heritage Foundation. She's
Speaker 3: a national security expert, and she's former deputy National Security
Speaker 3: advisor to President Trump. Thanks for coming on today. I'm
Speaker 3: sure we'll have you back soon as we watch the
Speaker 3: unfolding developments in the Middle East. When we return after
Speaker 3: the next commercial break, I have on with me my
Speaker 3: friend and author and journalist Selena Zito as she covered
Speaker 3: the president in Butler, Pennsylvania. The last time there was
Speaker 3: an assassination attempt against him. I want to talk to
Speaker 3: her about her views on what happened at the White
Speaker 3: House Correspondence dinner this weekend. It's common sense for the
Speaker 3: American people. I'm Scott Jennings.
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Speaker 3: It is Monday, April the twenty seventh. We're tracking breaking news.
Speaker 3: Caroline Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, has just finished
Speaker 3: a briefing from the podium.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even supposed to brief anymore. She was gonna
Speaker 1: wrap up her.
Speaker 3: Duties on Friday, but because of Saturday night's events, she
Speaker 3: went back to the podium today. We'll bring some of
Speaker 3: that to you in just a little bit, and coming
Speaker 3: up in sixty seconds, we have the great journalist Selena
Speaker 3: Zito here to discuss what happened on Saturday. First, though,
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Speaker 3: Jennings Broadcasting for Salem Joining us now. Selena Zito, author
Speaker 3: of the number one New York Times bestseller Butler, The
Speaker 3: Untold story of the near assassination of Donald Trump and
Speaker 3: the fight for America's Heartland. She also writes for The
Speaker 3: DC Examiner and for The Washington Post. Selena, Welcome back
Speaker 3: to the Scott Jennings Show. I thought of you this
Speaker 3: weekend as I was doing coverage on CNN of the
Speaker 3: White House Correspondence Dinner, because you literally wrote the book,
Speaker 3: the most thorough and detailed book and journalism about what
Speaker 3: happened to the president in Butler, Pennsylvania as you watched
Speaker 3: Saturday Nights events. What was going through your mind given
Speaker 3: what you experience yourself and Butler.
Speaker 8: Well, Scott, first of all, thank you so much for
Speaker 8: having me on. You know, I have to say I
Speaker 8: never I didn't realize how much I didn't process what
Speaker 8: happened in Butler. To me. If people read my book
Speaker 8: or know me, they know those shots went right over
Speaker 8: my head and that my daughter was right beside me.
Speaker 8: But I didn't. I didn't realize I hadn't processed it
Speaker 8: appropriately because I kept working, right, and you just you
Speaker 8: just keep working. And when I heard those shots that
Speaker 8: really sort of hit me and hit me hard.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 8: The first thing that strikes me, though, is President Trump's comportment.
Speaker 8: He was calm, he was a matter of fact. He
Speaker 8: took it in stride. And what's so important about that
Speaker 8: is that accept the tone for the room and just
Speaker 8: in the way that it set the tone at the
Speaker 8: at the rally in Butler, people often comment like, look,
Speaker 8: how calm the crowd is. Where aren't they freaking out?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 8: And when he did what he did in Butler, when
Speaker 8: he got off and said fight by fight, when he
Speaker 8: made sure he had his shoes on when he left,
Speaker 8: when he made sure he didn't go out in a stretcher.
Speaker 8: He told me the next day that was because he
Speaker 8: had an obligation, not as Donald Trump the man, but
Speaker 8: as someone who is representing the presidency for over two
Speaker 8: hundred years. He had to show that the country goes on,
Speaker 8: that the country is strong, that nothing breaks us down.
Speaker 8: That was his obligation and I saw that again on
Speaker 8: Saturday night.
Speaker 3: Selena, as you watch what happened Saturday, I'm curious about
Speaker 3: what you're thinking regarding the Secret Service and the security
Speaker 3: situation with the president at an event like that. You
Speaker 3: obviously studied the Secret Service perimeter and reaction to what
Speaker 3: happened in Butler. You saw what happened on Saturday. You've
Speaker 3: been to many other presidential events. I guess the question
Speaker 3: I have is are you confident in the security situation
Speaker 3: around the president right now? And is this just something
Speaker 3: that he's going to have to live with because of
Speaker 3: who he is, and how the left has decided to
Speaker 3: treat him.
Speaker 8: Well, I'm confident in their response in the room. I
Speaker 8: thought they were quick, they were fast, They're efficient. They
Speaker 8: got him out of the way. A lot of they
Speaker 8: got the vice president out of the way. A lot
Speaker 8: of people have not seen the angle where one serviceman
Speaker 8: just stood right in front of him, right like, just
Speaker 8: faced out into the crowd, while the other ones made
Speaker 8: sure that he was down and out. So I think
Speaker 8: that that aspect of the service was on top of things.
Speaker 8: I don't know enough about what happened in the perimeter
Speaker 8: of her in a dotal, you know, a pe of
Speaker 8: journalists saying, well, I got in this way and I
Speaker 8: got in that way, and so I don't know enough
Speaker 8: about that to make an educated point of view. I
Speaker 8: certainly I'm sort of like a wait and see person.
Speaker 8: I wanted to see the reports, see what happened where
Speaker 8: the flaws were just in the way of what happened
Speaker 8: in Butler. If you were if you were standing within
Speaker 8: feet of the president in Butler, like I was, the
Speaker 8: response was perfect, but getting into it and the security
Speaker 8: around it was not perfect. And I suspect that we
Speaker 8: might find out something like that as well.
Speaker 3: Selena Zito is our guest. She wrote the book on Butler.
Speaker 3: She's a great journalist and lives in Pennsylvania. Selena, as
Speaker 3: I was thinking about the dinner Saturday night during our coverage,
Speaker 3: I was thinking, you know, the entire president line of
Speaker 3: succession is there, with the exception of Chuck Grassley, the
Speaker 3: Senate President pro tem from Iowa.
Speaker 1: But you had the.
Speaker 3: President, vice president, Speaker of the House, senior members of
Speaker 3: the cabinet. Does the White House need to rethink having
Speaker 3: Trump in vance at public events like that together in
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 10: Probably.
Speaker 8: I'm sure they're having that conversation right now or you know,
Speaker 8: in the next couple hours, in the next couple of days.
Speaker 8: It's it is. It is a sad statement of the
Speaker 8: world that we live in. You know. I used to say,
Speaker 8: I used to think that it was worse when I
Speaker 8: was young, because I'm old enough to have experienced John
Speaker 8: Kennedy being shot and Robert Kennedy and Gerald Ford and
Speaker 8: Ronald Reagan right to think this is cyclic. But now
Speaker 8: three attempts on one man. And I had to say
Speaker 8: this because I think this is so important, and sometimes
Speaker 8: I hold back and being critical, but honestly, I'm not
Speaker 8: going to anymore. I think it's awful when you have
Speaker 8: elected officials, just like happened in Pittsburgh a couple of
Speaker 8: weeks ago, when there was a No King's rally and
Speaker 8: there's all these like eighty six forty, you know, like
Speaker 8: to kill Trump and talk about killing him and dehumanizing him,
Speaker 8: and these local Democrats go in front of these crowds
Speaker 8: and and you know, Rob raw and then psyche him
Speaker 8: up and never ever once say you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 8: What I saw in that crowd behind me that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 8: They don't. And this is incredibly dangerous because I don't
Speaker 8: know what the mental state was of this young man
Speaker 8: that did this, but I do know that if you
Speaker 8: look at that manifest it may as well been written
Speaker 8: from something that was on on social media or came
Speaker 8: from a Democratic elected official. I'm not quite sure that
Speaker 8: he was mentally unstable. I'm thinking that he thinks he's
Speaker 8: doing something righteous, and that's even more scary.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, no question about it.
Speaker 3: If you look at his writings, I mean, the things
Speaker 3: he's writing about, they weren't really unhinged or you know,
Speaker 3: rantings They were basically cut and pasted from anything you
Speaker 3: could get off of some people's ex accounts, off of Reddit,
Speaker 3: what you might hear on a cable TV panel. I
Speaker 3: mean he's literally or from a member of Congress who routinely.
Speaker 1: Calls Donald Trump Hitler or some such.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's ingesting this, he's marinating in it, he's
Speaker 3: reflecting it back in his writings, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, he shows up with a shotgun. Caroline Levitt,
Speaker 3: the White House Press Secretary, just stepped off the podium.
Speaker 1: We have some sound from Matt. Let's hear from her
Speaker 1: and cut number twenty three.
Speaker 11: Saturday was supposed to be a joyful evening celebrating free
Speaker 11: speech in the First Amendment with all of you members
Speaker 11: of the press. Instead, the night was hijacked by a
Speaker 11: crazed anti Trump individual who traveled across the country to
Speaker 11: assassinate the President and as many administration officials as possible.
Speaker 11: This is the third major assassination attempt against President Trump
Speaker 11: in two years. No other president in history has faced
Speaker 11: such repeated serious attempts on his life. First, and foremost,
Speaker 11: the President, the first Lady, and everyone in this White
Speaker 11: House are extraordinarily grateful to the brave law enforcement professionals
Speaker 11: who sprang into action to apprehend the would be assassin
Speaker 11: and keep all of us safe. The President would especially
Speaker 11: like to express his gratitude to the men and women
Speaker 11: of the United States Secret Service, who acted with the
Speaker 11: utmost professionalism, courage, and sense of duty.
Speaker 3: It's White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt and we are
Speaker 3: speaking with Selina Zito, journalist who wrote the book Butler,
Speaker 3: about the President's assassination attempt there during the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four campaign. And Selena, as you listen to the White
Speaker 3: House Press secretary, I'm interested in because of your reporting
Speaker 3: and your extensive writing about this, the president's personal relationship
Speaker 3: with the Secret Service.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he has a lot.
Speaker 3: Of respect for and obviously a lot of thankfulness for
Speaker 3: what they do to protect him because of the threats
Speaker 3: that he has and faces it on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: What can you tell us about that personal relationship between
Speaker 3: the Trump's President, Milania, the Trump family and their protective detail.
Speaker 8: Well, I've never heard anything the President nor anybody that's
Speaker 8: been in charge of them trying to have anything had
Speaker 8: to say about them.
Speaker 9: They have a deep respect, mutual respect, for each other
Speaker 9: that've developed a warm relationship between each other.
Speaker 8: And it's very sort of different than what you saw
Speaker 8: with the Clintons and their secret Service detail. And with
Speaker 8: the Obamas, and there was their secret service detail, there
Speaker 8: was sort of a coolness in an arms length body
Speaker 8: language that went between them, and you can just go
Speaker 8: back and look at pictures and see that. But I
Speaker 8: have been around the President in the White House on
Speaker 8: the road of even been in the Beasts, and there
Speaker 8: is a rapport and a respect and an admiration that
Speaker 8: goes across both him and the agents at Urfaim.
Speaker 3: Selena Zito wrote the book Butler. She was in Butler, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: in the summer of twenty twenty four when the President
Speaker 3: was nearly assassinated. I encourage you if you haven't read
Speaker 3: Selena's account of being there and her reporting on the
Speaker 3: aftermath of what happened in Butler. I cannot recommend it
Speaker 3: highly enough.
Speaker 1: Selena. We wait for the movie.
Speaker 3: I know the movie rights soul of this book, and
Speaker 3: we wait to see how that turns out.
Speaker 1: And we're grateful for your time today. Thanks for coming
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 8: Oh, thank you so much. It's tim production now, so Yeah,
Speaker 8: that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you, Selena, Selena Zito. Boy,
Speaker 3: if you need to follow somebody and understand what's.
Speaker 1: Going on in Middle America and our American political affairs,
Speaker 1: Selena Zito is one to follow.
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Speaker 3: next on the charges against Saturday shooters.
Speaker 1: Stay with us.
Speaker 12: It's the very definition I've never backed down here, Scott Jennings.
Speaker 3: In the next hour, the man who shot up the
Speaker 3: White House correspondence dinner on Saturday night is expected in
Speaker 3: federal court in Washington, d C. Joining us to discuss
Speaker 3: the charges that he faces presently and could face over
Speaker 3: the next few days. My friend CNN legal analyst and
Speaker 3: former federal prosecutor Elliott Williams. Elliott, thanks for your time today.
Speaker 3: So let's start here. The man's name is Cole Thomas Allen.
Speaker 3: It's not really in question whether he did it. It's
Speaker 3: on video when the police subdued him in the seconds
Speaker 3: after he rushed into the event. What are the charges
Speaker 3: he faces now and what are you expecting to hear
Speaker 3: at this hearing today?
Speaker 6: Right so, right now, Scott, it looks like he's going
Speaker 6: to face charges of using a firearm during the commission
Speaker 6: of a crime of violence, pretty common charge, and assaulting
Speaker 6: a federal officer for shooting at an officer. Now, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, it seems pretty obvious that he did it.
Speaker 6: You saw the video. I saw the video. Everybody in
Speaker 6: America saw the video. But really, prosecutors can only move
Speaker 6: forward with what they have and they can prove beyond
Speaker 6: reasonable doubt right now. Right more evidence is I think
Speaker 6: absolutely going to come out over time for additional charges
Speaker 6: he can face, but right now it's just those two.
Speaker 6: It's the use of a gun during a crime of
Speaker 6: violence and that assault against an officer.
Speaker 3: I guess what everybody's wondering Elliott is based on the
Speaker 3: evidence that emerges, and we're already seeing some things in
Speaker 3: his writings and his political leanings, but based on whatever
Speaker 3: comes out, is it possible that he will be charged
Speaker 3: with trying to assassinate the president or members of the
Speaker 3: president's cabinet.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think it's absolutely possible. But I think everybody
Speaker 6: needs to take a breath and just remember that because
Speaker 6: something's been reported, whether it's on social media or any network,
Speaker 6: whether it's CNN or the Scott Jennings Show, anywhere, it's
Speaker 6: still not official until prosecutors have it, have reviewed it
Speaker 6: and vetted it, and they can charge someone with it,
Speaker 6: and they can go into court and prove something beyond
Speaker 6: a reasonable doubt. Like, Yeah, it seems pretty obvious that
Speaker 6: this guy was there to kill the president. When you
Speaker 6: show up with a long gun at the White House
Speaker 6: correspondence dinner as a gut feeling, that seems like it
Speaker 6: makes total sense. The problem is that you can't prosecute
Speaker 6: someone on gut feelings. Prosecutors have to have it. The
Speaker 6: FBI has to happen, and I'm confident that they're trying
Speaker 6: to get there. But just right now, it's not common
Speaker 6: to go in on that very first arraignment to charge
Speaker 6: him with just a few offenses and then add them
Speaker 6: later on.
Speaker 3: Hellyet, a couple of questions about the defendant here A
Speaker 3: have you heard about whether he's co operating with federal
Speaker 3: prosecutors or federal investigators on any information about what he
Speaker 3: was doing Saturday? And be do you know who is
Speaker 3: representing him? Does he have an attorney yet or is
Speaker 3: he using a public defender.
Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to the second question what
Speaker 6: his representation is.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 6: I've heard a number of times he's not quote unquote
Speaker 6: cooperating with law enforcement. You got to remember he's not
Speaker 6: obligated to cooperate with law enforcement. You've heard the words,
Speaker 6: you have the right to remain silent from every copture
Speaker 6: you've ever watched throughout your life. He doesn't have to
Speaker 6: cooperate and doesn't have to testify against other people that
Speaker 6: might have worked with himber whatever else. And it's his right,
Speaker 6: is his constitutional right to not say anything. And I
Speaker 6: would even go further and say, if people want this
Speaker 6: guy to go to jail, you know, let him exercise
Speaker 6: his rights now so that nothing screws the case up.
Speaker 6: You want a clean prosecution where you know, no right
Speaker 6: that he might have had get stepped on or in
Speaker 6: the way of by prosecutors. So yeah, if he wants
Speaker 6: to not cooperate, let him not cooperate. You see you
Speaker 6: in court, see you at trial, and then he can
Speaker 6: have his day then. But it's perfectly valid for him
Speaker 6: not to be cooperated with law enforcement.
Speaker 3: Checking the monitor here, Elliott, we're talking with Elliott Williams,
Speaker 3: cing INN legal analyst, And according to the screen, I'm
Speaker 3: looking at CNN reporting that the suspect here is being
Speaker 3: arraigned in federal court in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: So that is occurring as we speak, Elliot, as we
Speaker 3: wrap up our conversation, two questions for you on the
Speaker 3: process here. A, based on what you know today and
Speaker 3: I know it's early, is it likely based on current
Speaker 3: charges or additional charges that could be tacked on, that
Speaker 3: he could face the death penalty?
Speaker 1: And B how long would you.
Speaker 3: Expect a case like this to take to get to
Speaker 3: some kind of resolution If in fact it does go
Speaker 3: to trial, he's.
Speaker 6: Not going to face the death penalty only because even
Speaker 6: for the attempt, the statutes here allow for life in
Speaker 6: prison but not death under federal law. He would need
Speaker 6: to have killed someone in order to get the death comly,
Speaker 6: but he could face life in prison. And he actually
Speaker 6: has a few different life life charges, both begun charge
Speaker 6: and if he's ultimately charged with trying to assassinate the president,
Speaker 6: so he could go away for a very very long time.
Speaker 3: Elliott Williams is a former federal prosecutor and he is
Speaker 3: one of the great CNN legal analysts. You see him
Speaker 3: across the shows analyzing the legal news of the day,
Speaker 3: and he's a good friend here. Elliott, thanks for your
Speaker 3: time today. I'm keeping an eye on CNN as we
Speaker 3: do the broadcast, and it looks like Cole Thomas Allen
Speaker 3: will be arraigned in federal court here. Over the next
Speaker 3: few minutes, we're going to take a break here on
Speaker 3: the Scott Jennings Show. When we come back, we got
Speaker 3: to talk to Jonathan Turley, another legal expert. Next hour,
Speaker 3: we got to talk about what's going on in Congress
Speaker 3: this week, which is not in substantial. Beth Vandyne of
Speaker 3: Texas will join us all of that right after this Monday,
Speaker 3: April the twenty seventh. We start with a quick check
Speaker 3: of the headlines. Florida Republican Governor Ron DeSantis today has
Speaker 3: released a proposed redraw of the Sunshine States congressional map
Speaker 3: that on paper, would create four new Republican seats. We're
Speaker 3: going to cover that story on the show a little
Speaker 3: bit more tomorrow. And there's been some movement in Virginia
Speaker 3: on the case against the new jerrymanderd map in Virginia.
Speaker 3: Kin Coochinelli, former Virginia Attorney General, joins us later this
Speaker 3: hour to discuss the latest on the legal case against
Speaker 3: that new map, which would go from six to five
Speaker 3: Democrat to ten to one Democrat. White House Correspondence dinner
Speaker 3: shooting suspect Cole Thomas Allen being arraigned this hour in
Speaker 3: federal District Court in Washington, and in breaking news this
Speaker 3: just end of the Scott Jennings Show, Cole Thomas Allen
Speaker 3: has now been charged with attempting to assassinate President Trump.
Speaker 3: In addition to the other charges that we already knew about.
Speaker 1: This new assassination.
Speaker 3: Charge would carry a possible sentence of life in prison.
Speaker 3: Just a little while ago, White House Press Secretary Caroline
Speaker 3: Levitt took to the podium there in the briefing room.
Speaker 3: Let's hear from her and cut number twenty four.
Speaker 11: And while we are blessed to have a fearless president,
Speaker 11: we should not live in a country where such constant
Speaker 11: fear of political violence permeates our society every single day.
Speaker 11: We can, and we should have fierce disagreement in this country.
Speaker 11: As you all know, we disagree often myself in this role,
Speaker 11: in all of you in the news media. But those
Speaker 11: disagreements must remain peaceful. Debating, peaceful, protesting and voting are
Speaker 11: how we need to settle disagreements, not bullets. Nobody in
Speaker 11: recent years has faced more bullets and more violence than
Speaker 11: President Trump. This political violence stems from a systemic demonization
Speaker 11: of him and his supporters by commentators. Yes, by elected
Speaker 11: members of the Democrat Party and even some in the media.
Speaker 3: Sunday night, the President appeared on sixty Minutes and he
Speaker 3: was asked about the security provided by the Secret Service.
Speaker 3: Here's what the President had to say and cut number five.
Speaker 7: You know, I could take any event having to do
Speaker 7: with security or anything else, I can always find fault.
Speaker 7: Those guys did a good job last night. They did
Speaker 7: a really good job.
Speaker 3: We're now joined by At Smith, former Deputy Director of
Speaker 3: the United States Secret Service, to discuss the security questions
Speaker 3: that have arisen since Saturday night. We'll start here. Mister Smith,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time today. Do you agree with the president?
Speaker 3: Did the Secret Service perform admirably on Saturday night?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 12: They did. Actually, they did a wonderful job in terms
Speaker 12: of covering and evacuating the President first lady, you know,
Speaker 12: and the Vice President, as well as the other protectees
Speaker 12: that were there. The security plan obviously worked. You are
Speaker 12: never planning for an assailant such as the event the
Speaker 12: other night occurred. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 12: people should keep in mind that as bad as that was,
Speaker 12: the individual was stopped and the Secret Service was able
Speaker 12: to do that before he made his way into the
Speaker 12: ballroom and likewise everyone inside, you know, remained safe, albeit
Speaker 12: it was disrupted to say the least.
Speaker 3: Mister Smith, I have a question about this venue, the
Speaker 3: Washington Hilton. Obviously they have this dinner there every year.
Speaker 3: How nervous does this building make you? I assume you
Speaker 3: covered and serviced events that were at the Washington Hilton.
Speaker 1: It's a public hotel.
Speaker 3: There are people that rent rooms there that have nothing
Speaker 3: to do with that dinner that took place on Saturday night.
Speaker 3: How should we be thinking about this venue and venues
Speaker 3: like it for presidential security moving forward?
Speaker 12: Well, it's certainly problematic, and the Washington Hilton is probably
Speaker 12: as problematic a hotel as you will find because of
Speaker 12: the way it's situated, and as you probably know, you
Speaker 12: have to go in and the way that this ticketing
Speaker 12: worked for this event. You went past the red carpet
Speaker 12: and the ticket check point on one level, and then
Speaker 12: you move down to go through the magnetometers, and then
Speaker 12: the ballroom is really below ground almost so it is
Speaker 12: very challenging. And at the same time, the Hilton is
Speaker 12: doing business as a public business, and people that are
Speaker 12: guests there, as you said, that have nothing to do
Speaker 12: with the event are coming and going, and so the
Speaker 12: Secret Service has to approach all of that in the
Speaker 12: advance work to make sure they're not impeding the public
Speaker 12: anymore than you know is absolutely necessary, and by the
Speaker 12: same token, trying to provide adequate security and an adequate
Speaker 12: security plan to keep those that are attending this event
Speaker 12: safe and none is probably more involved than this event
Speaker 12: because of the fact that you had the President, the
Speaker 12: first Lady, the Vice President, as I said, numerous other
Speaker 12: protectees and attendance.
Speaker 3: At Smith is a former deputy director of the United
Speaker 3: States Secret Service. We're talking to him about what happened
Speaker 3: at the White House correspondence dinner on Saturday night. Mister Smith,
Speaker 3: let's listen to another cut of President Trump from sixty
Speaker 3: minutes talking about the ballroom.
Speaker 1: Here's cut number six.
Speaker 7: So, first of all, I have to say, it's not
Speaker 7: a safe ballroom. I'm building a safe ballroom, and one
Speaker 7: of the reasons I'm building it is exactly what happened
Speaker 7: last night. We're building a room right there. If you
Speaker 7: walk out and move twenty yards to the left, you'll
Speaker 7: be right at the entrance to the ballroom. And that
Speaker 7: ballroom is being built on the safest piece of property
Speaker 7: in this country, probably one of the safest pieces of
Speaker 7: land in the world, and we have.
Speaker 5: But that's owned, that's the White House.
Speaker 8: The White House Correspondence Center can't use White House.
Speaker 7: It's able to be used by certainly the White House,
Speaker 7: it says the White House Correspondents. Well, that's the White
Speaker 7: House Press. I'm sure that it's available. You know, it's
Speaker 7: up to the president, but that would be made available.
Speaker 7: And this has bulletproof glass. This says, you know, this
Speaker 7: is the highest level of security.
Speaker 3: If as someone who's been in a position of protecting
Speaker 3: a president of the United States, what do you think
Speaker 3: about this? Do we need a fully secure ballroom in Washington, DC,
Speaker 3: as the President proposes for events like what we saw
Speaker 3: on Saturday night?
Speaker 12: Well, I know the ballroom itself as a political issue
Speaker 12: that goes back and forth. But the President's exactly right.
Speaker 12: I mean, any event held on the White House complex
Speaker 12: is going to be safe and secure, and to his point,
Speaker 12: it would probably be the most secure place in the
Speaker 12: world to hold an event. So he's exactly right on
Speaker 12: that level.
Speaker 3: Mister Smith, I want to ask you about who was
Speaker 3: in the room. I was doing coverage on CNN, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking in the room. There you've got the President,
Speaker 3: the Vice president, the Speaker of the House, senior members
Speaker 3: of the cabinet. The only member of the presidential line
Speaker 3: of succession that was not in there, I think was
Speaker 3: Iowa was Chuck Grassley, the Senate President pro tem. As
Speaker 3: a Secret Service agent, as someone in a leadership position
Speaker 3: at the Secret Service, do they think about things like that,
Speaker 3: the entire line of succession being in the same place
Speaker 3: at the same time, And do they.
Speaker 1: Ever offer advice to the White House.
Speaker 3: You know, things like, hey, maybe we ought to rethink
Speaker 3: having all these people in the same location.
Speaker 12: Well, that's something they should do. And you know, again
Speaker 12: that's normally an administration decision. I know, for instance, as
Speaker 12: you know with the state of the Union, they leave
Speaker 12: one member of the cabinet out just in case of
Speaker 12: a catastrophic event. But that's part of the role of
Speaker 12: the Secret Services too. They advise the administration on security
Speaker 12: related matters, things that they may not be thinking of
Speaker 12: on a daily basis. So, yes, that is certainly an
Speaker 12: area that the Secret Service should you know, be at
Speaker 12: least forceful in in terms of making it known. Now,
Speaker 12: ultimately they be in the administration will make a decision
Speaker 12: about whether they want to follow that advice or have
Speaker 12: everyone there. But quite frankly, yeah, that is part of
Speaker 12: the apparatus of the Secret Service to go ahead and
Speaker 12: discuss these measures and bring up things like that that
Speaker 12: not only could potentially cause a problem, but you know,
Speaker 12: serve as a level of advice.
Speaker 3: Final question for you, mister Smith, after Butler, after Saturday night,
Speaker 3: and after the Secret Service, which exists in the Department
Speaker 3: of Homeland Security being treated like something of a political football,
Speaker 3: especially by the Democrats in Washington as it relates to funding.
Speaker 3: What is in your opinion the current state the current
Speaker 3: status of the Secret Service?
Speaker 1: Is this agency in good shape?
Speaker 3: And do you have any recommendations for it over the
Speaker 3: next few months.
Speaker 12: Well, I think the agency is in good standing. I
Speaker 12: think the morale is good and I think that was
Speaker 12: exemplified by how you saw those Secret Service agents and
Speaker 12: officers react on Saturday night. They did their job. You know,
Speaker 12: as to the political aspect of it, they should be paid.
Speaker 12: This should not be part of a political football back
Speaker 12: and forth, you know, playing with not only their salaries
Speaker 12: but their families' lives and things of that nature. So
Speaker 12: they should definitely pay them. Said that, I think all
Speaker 12: of the agents are dedicated regardless of whether they're being
Speaker 12: paid or not. The fact that they showed up did
Speaker 12: their job shows their left dedication.
Speaker 3: At Smith former Secret Service Deputy Director, we thank you
Speaker 3: very much for your time today.
Speaker 1: We look forward to having you back.
Speaker 12: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: One count attempting to assassinate the president, one count discharging
Speaker 3: a firearm during a violent crime. And there's one other
Speaker 3: charge that's being faced by Cole Thomas Allen, the shooter
Speaker 3: from Saturday Night's Dinner. This is all just breaking right now.
Speaker 3: He's being arraigned in federal court. We'll talk more about
Speaker 3: that later in the show. Joining us now to talk
Speaker 3: about what's going to happen in Congress this week. Congresswoman
Speaker 3: Beth van Dine of Texas. She's on the House Ways
Speaker 3: and Means Committee. Beth, thanks for coming back to the
Speaker 3: Scott Jennings show. I want to start here if I
Speaker 3: understand it correctly, you all are hauling a bunch of
Speaker 3: hospital CEOs in front of Congress this week to discuss
Speaker 3: healthcare affordability.
Speaker 1: What can you tell us about that?
Speaker 8: Well, look, I mean I think for far too always
Speaker 8: seen these massive healthcare empires that have been able there
Speaker 8: like basically rip off taxpayers. I mean they're hurting patients
Speaker 8: and they're really squeezing a lot of money from hard
Speaker 8: work in Americans. I think the healthcare lobby seeds to
Speaker 8: stick together when there is a taxpayer check on the table,
Speaker 8: but when you point fingers, they all start to bust.
Speaker 8: The accountability, high costee all start to point to one another.
Speaker 8: And last month we grolled from the biggest insurance company
Speaker 8: CEOs early this year and they blend the hospital for
Speaker 8: the rising costs. So on Tuesdays, we're bringing the hospital
Speaker 8: CEOs before the Ways the Means Committee to kind of
Speaker 8: answer for their role in the sky rocketing posts. They're
Speaker 8: just seem to be crushing our work and families.
Speaker 3: Beth, you all have a lot going on in Congress
Speaker 3: right now. You've got this big hearing on healthcare. You've
Speaker 3: got the FISA Section seven oh two issue going on,
Speaker 3: You've got immigration enforcement funding with the reconciliation bill, You've
Speaker 3: got the farm bill going on. It's a jam packed
Speaker 3: time for the House Republican majority. Can you get all
Speaker 3: this work done? How long is it going to take?
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, we can.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think the House has biled a prow
Speaker 8: that it can get a remarkable and undone and it
Speaker 8: seems that it goes to the Senate to die. So yeah,
Speaker 8: we've got, like you said, the size the bill. I
Speaker 8: know that we've been working on that over the weekend,
Speaker 8: trying to get some agreement between folks who want to
Speaker 8: make sure that there are proper reforms that respect and
Speaker 8: don't hurt people's constitutional rights, but that still provide national security.
Speaker 8: We're looking at a farm bill and making sure that
Speaker 8: our farmers can still get food on the table, and
Speaker 8: then we're looking at a reconciliation bill, and we're calling
Speaker 8: a reconciliation bill. But I think at this point in time,
Speaker 8: there's two different ways of looking at There is a
Speaker 8: short term funding bill for homeland security, which should have
Speaker 8: been done months ago, which we had opportunity to get
Speaker 8: done months ago. Democratist in the way. And then there's
Speaker 8: a larger reconciliation bill that a number of us are
Speaker 8: talking about that would include waste for our abuse and
Speaker 8: ways of including things that got dropped out of last
Speaker 8: year's Working Family's tass cut. So yeah, we have our
Speaker 8: work cut out for us, but I think it's a
Speaker 8: mistake to let people go home until that work's done.
Speaker 3: Congress Willman Beth van Dinas from Texas. She's our special
Speaker 3: guest member of Congress today. Beth, I'm sure you watched
Speaker 3: in horror Saturday night, just as I did, as someone
Speaker 3: for a third time tried to kill a President Trump.
Speaker 3: That person's now been charged just a moment ago with
Speaker 3: attempting to assassinate the president. It's pretty obvious this guy
Speaker 3: was marinating in left wing talking points that you can
Speaker 3: hear every day on cable news, that you can see
Speaker 3: on social media, and that you hear come out of
Speaker 3: the mouths of some of your colleagues in Congress.
Speaker 8: Your reaction to this, yeah, No, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, you have Hakeem Jeffery is saying that,
Speaker 8: you know, we have to have constant warfare, you know,
Speaker 8: on a blood red background, and he's leading, He's the
Speaker 8: leading a Democrat in Congress. I mean, yes, this is warfare.
Speaker 8: This is how they're identifying it, and they're trying to
Speaker 8: justify it. And I want to thank you because you
Speaker 8: had a post earlier today in your comments on CNN
Speaker 8: when you called it out and you said you are
Speaker 8: far left extremists who are justifying this violence, who are
Speaker 8: happy to see it it occur, and it's only going
Speaker 8: to cause more. So I want to thank you for
Speaker 8: calling it what it is. And they don't have a
Speaker 8: response for that, but they sit here and try to
Speaker 8: blame Republicans for it. This is hateful, this is this
Speaker 8: is this apparently was a normal guy who has been radicalized.
Speaker 8: And I don't know if it was in his academic
Speaker 8: career that this happened or it's just from seeing it
Speaker 8: justified over and over again. But at the same time
Speaker 8: that they're calling Trump nazi and saying that the Republicans
Speaker 8: are haters haters, you're seeing more and more violence from
Speaker 8: the left for petraying on the right. And it's a
Speaker 8: number now of attacks against this president.
Speaker 3: I was on Sunday morning and saw Congressman Jamie Raskin
Speaker 3: of Maryland get asked directly, are you worried about the
Speaker 3: rhetoric on the left, and he said, what rhetoric are
Speaker 3: you talking about?
Speaker 1: I mean this idea that they're not aware yea restaurant.
Speaker 8: When you see them in shopping centers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: And so the failure to take responsibility for this or
Speaker 3: to say well, it's both sides, or you know, Donald
Speaker 3: Trump brought that on himself, which is what you hear
Speaker 3: from people on the left commonly. It's actually pretty despicable,
Speaker 3: but it creates a permission structure on the left for
Speaker 3: these kinds of things to keep happening. Congresswoman Beth van
Speaker 3: Dine of Texas, I know you have a busy week
Speaker 3: with this Ways and Means Committee hearing. We wish you
Speaker 3: the best with the hospital CEOs, and we wish the
Speaker 3: Republicans the best as they try to get their work
Speaker 3: done for the American people.
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time today.
Speaker 8: Hey, thank you very much, Scott.
Speaker 3: Beth one of the best members of the House Republican Congress,
Speaker 3: always grateful for her time. We're going to take a break,
Speaker 3: but when we come back. Fox News legal analyst Jonathan
Speaker 3: Turley joins us he's got a book out and I
Speaker 3: want to get his opinion of what we're seeing with
Speaker 3: this arraignment in federal court, all of it.
Speaker 1: Right after this on the Scott Sheenning Show, Common Sense
Speaker 1: for the American People.
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Speaker 3: Monday, April the twenty seven, Common Sense for the American People.
Speaker 3: It's Scott Jennings broadcasting to you today on a Monday
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Speaker 3: Scott Jennings here on Salem. It is Monday, April the
Speaker 3: twenty seventh. And joining us now is Jonathan Turley, nationally
Speaker 3: recognized legal scholar and author of the new book called
Speaker 3: Rage and the Republic, The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. Jonathan,
Speaker 3: it's a great honor for us to have you on
Speaker 3: the Scott Jennings Show today. I want to start with
Speaker 3: your book. We're obviously in America two point fifty right now.
Speaker 3: This book's coming along at an interesting time. Tell us
Speaker 3: about Rage in the Republic.
Speaker 10: Well, Scott, thank you for having me on. And it
Speaker 10: is a book that, unfortunately is a bit more poignant
Speaker 10: than I hoped it would be, certainly more timely. We're
Speaker 10: watching an age of rage unfold. And this is a
Speaker 10: book about revolutions, about how they begin and more importantly,
Speaker 10: how they end. Most revolutions end poorly, which is one
Speaker 10: of the reasons the US Revolution is so notable.
Speaker 8: That.
Speaker 10: The first half of the book looks backwards and tries
Speaker 10: to figure out why we have two revolutions occurring at
Speaker 10: roughly the same time, the Revolution in the United States
Speaker 10: and the one in France, and one became the most
Speaker 10: successful democracy in history and the other became the terror
Speaker 10: and I try to isolate the elements that are responsible
Speaker 10: for those very different trajectories. The founders wanted to avoid
Speaker 10: the pattern in history of democracies becoming what they called
Speaker 10: my biocracies. The second half of the book forward and
Speaker 10: asks can that republic survive in the twenty first century?
Speaker 10: Can it survive us? And that's a bit more poignant
Speaker 10: than I'd hoped, because it talks about the rage politics
Speaker 10: being used by many today, particularly on the left, where
Speaker 10: you have rage rhetoric and this desire to use that
Speaker 10: rage to reacquire power, particularly in the midterms. And unfortunately
Speaker 10: what we saw just at the recent dinner is an
Speaker 10: example of that. In fact, many of the statements from
Speaker 10: the manifesto of the shooter could have been ripped from
Speaker 10: the pages of Rage and the Republic. Those are almost
Speaker 10: exact quotes of what I talk about in the book,
Speaker 10: but they're coming from democratic politicians and people on the left.
Speaker 10: And that's the thing about rage is that it has
Speaker 10: a purpose, right, It's designed to take away the humanity
Speaker 10: of people that disagree with you. They're no longer people,
Speaker 10: and you can eat them completely and absolutely, you can
Speaker 10: even take their lives. And that's what we see in
Speaker 10: this manifesto, that's what we see in all around us today.
Speaker 10: And what people won't admit it, Well, what they said
Speaker 10: they won't admit is that they like it, and then
Speaker 10: it's contagious and it's addictive. But these politicians that are
Speaker 10: injecting this rage into the body politic are playing a
Speaker 10: dangerous game because they can't control it. They can't control
Speaker 10: people like this guy. You know, these are people who
Speaker 10: are looking for a license to commit violence.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're exactly right, Jonathan.
Speaker 3: They realize they can't control it, and so they take
Speaker 3: different tactics to try to deflect from it. I was
Speaker 3: on CNN Sunday morning with Congressman Jamie Raskin who got
Speaker 3: asked directly, you know what about the rageful rhetoric on
Speaker 3: the left, are you worried about that? And he said, well,
Speaker 3: what rhetoric are you talking about? And this idea that
Speaker 3: you can just you know, pretend that it's not happening,
Speaker 3: or put your head in the sand. I think it's
Speaker 3: in it mission. They can't control it, but it's also
Speaker 3: a permission structure for people to go out and act
Speaker 3: on it. In fact, let's listen to this. This is
Speaker 3: a congressman named Rajah Krishtna Murphy. He was asked about
Speaker 3: the shooting attempt on Saturday night. Here's what he had
Speaker 3: to say at cut number fifteen.
Speaker 13: There's tremendous, as you can understand, concern given the threat
Speaker 13: levels that are going up in part because of the
Speaker 13: president and now three assassination attempts on him, is very
Speaker 13: low approval ratings, which unfortunately fuel a lot of disaffection.
Speaker 3: I mean, here you have a member of Congress just
Speaker 3: this morning on television saying, well, the president has low.
Speaker 1: Approval ratings, So what do you expect?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's essentially was him wiping away any responsibility
Speaker 3: for this.
Speaker 1: How do you respond to something like that. I was
Speaker 1: shocked when I heard it.
Speaker 10: You know, it's good that we still haven't lost our
Speaker 10: capacity for shock. I think many people have. He is
Speaker 10: one of the great rage bongers on the hill, but
Speaker 10: he's not alone, and they know exactly what they're doing,
Speaker 10: you know, they're there. They believe that this mounting level
Speaker 10: of rage will bring them power in just a few months.
Speaker 10: And that's what this is all about. And that's one
Speaker 10: of the reasons why they're not coming forward today and saying, Wow,
Speaker 10: we need to really step this down, We need to
Speaker 10: take responsibility, because this rage has a purpose, you know.
Speaker 10: They you know, rage in the Republic looks back at
Speaker 10: our revolution. It figures like Thomas Paine, who is sort
Speaker 10: of the voice of righteous rage in our revolution. And
Speaker 10: I follow his life through the American Revolution then to
Speaker 10: the French revolutions. If he was one of two figures
Speaker 10: who played a role in both, and the other being Lafayette.
Speaker 10: What Pain witnessed in the French Revolution was what happens
Speaker 10: if you have a revolution without the structural protections that
Speaker 10: we have. He saw what one French writer described iss
Speaker 10: how revolutions like Saturn devour their own children. It almost
Speaker 10: killed Pained, It was almost guillotine. But he saw what
Speaker 10: happens when you allow unrestrained rage to take over. That's
Speaker 10: what we're facing again on our two or fiftieth anniversaries
Speaker 10: I talk about in regular their public you've got law
Speaker 10: professors and themes calling for us to scrap our constitution.
Speaker 10: They're saying that the constitution is now harmful and it's
Speaker 10: what's hurting us. And they're actually calling for the very
Speaker 10: elements that distinguished us from the French Republic, the very
Speaker 10: elements had led to the terror in France.
Speaker 3: That boys, you're hearing on the show today. Jonathan Turley,
Speaker 3: he's got a book out. It's incredible. It's called Rage
Speaker 3: and the Republic, The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.
Speaker 1: It was an instant New York Times best seller.
Speaker 3: It gets amazing reviews from customers who've read it on Amazon.
Speaker 3: You can go there and order it right now. A
Speaker 3: bit of breaking news that actually is related to the
Speaker 3: American Revolution. I see on my monitor here, Jonathan, that
Speaker 3: the plane carrying King Charles and Queen Camilla from London
Speaker 3: has arrived in the United States. I see the stairs
Speaker 3: being rolled up, and so we'll see the King of
Speaker 3: England arriving for his state visit shortly. Will bring you
Speaker 3: details of that as they unfold, Jonathan, I want to
Speaker 3: shift gears to what we saw happen on Saturday night,
Speaker 3: we just saw the shooter arraigned in federal District court
Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. They have added a charge attempting
Speaker 3: to assassinate the President of the United States that would
Speaker 3: carry a life sentence possibly if he is convicted. Do
Speaker 3: you think they can make that stick given the details
Speaker 3: of the case that you know right now, yes, Scott.
Speaker 10: I mean the problem for his defense counsel, and I
Speaker 10: spent most of my career as a criminal defense attorney,
Speaker 10: is that there's really now defense here. His high functionality,
Speaker 10: the planning, the manifesto all make it virtually impossible in
Speaker 10: my view, for him to make a capacity or insanity defense.
Speaker 10: So he doesn't have a lot left. He's on video
Speaker 10: shooting a secret Service agent. You know, he's on video
Speaker 10: trying to get into the room with the president. His
Speaker 10: manifesto talks directly about the president, says he's the Antichrist,
Speaker 10: so that he's going to end his legacy. All of
Speaker 10: that makes these charges land pretty hard and pretty stably
Speaker 10: for a prosecutor. You know, he might be able to
Speaker 10: argue that he was actually gunning for others, but it's
Speaker 10: pretty implausible that you would go into a room and
Speaker 10: you would have a bunch of cabinet members and the president,
Speaker 10: and you start out by taking out the sectary of hut.
Speaker 10: I mean, they it's rather obvious that he was after
Speaker 10: the president and these other people. Now, those charges, particularly
Speaker 10: the first one, come with in man a life imprisonment sentences,
Speaker 10: and this is just the sort of placeholders you're going
Speaker 10: to see. I think when we finally see the indictment
Speaker 10: which his hass go to a grand jury, I expect
Speaker 10: we'll see not just an indictment, but probably a superseding indictment.
Speaker 10: They'll just keep adding charges just to make sure they've
Speaker 10: got bells and suspenders. But judging from the evidence already
Speaker 10: in this case, you know, unless he's got an evil twin,
Speaker 10: he didn't have much.
Speaker 12: Of a defense.
Speaker 3: Jonathan Turley is our guest here on the Scott Jennings Show.
Speaker 3: One of the things I've been thinking about since Saturday night,
Speaker 3: and you're a constitutional scholar, I'm interested in your opinion
Speaker 3: of this is the entire line of succession save Chuck
Speaker 3: Grassley of Aisle Well, the Senate President pro tem, was
Speaker 3: in that room. Do you think that the executive and
Speaker 3: legislative branch leaders need to think a little more carefully
Speaker 3: about where they put themselves. I mean, you had the
Speaker 3: president and vice president, you had the Speaker of the House,
Speaker 3: you had senior members of the cabinet. Are we to
Speaker 3: a point now, based on what we're seeing in our
Speaker 3: political culture, where we're going to have to keep these
Speaker 3: people apart from each other as much as possible.
Speaker 10: You know, it's interesting because the White House said today
Speaker 10: that they were already aware that various cabinet members would
Speaker 10: not be attending the dinner, so they didn't have to
Speaker 10: use the sort of state of the Union approach and
Speaker 10: have that one successor out because they had a number
Speaker 10: of successors. I think that the biggest change will obviously
Speaker 10: be one of security. It's always amazed me about the dinner.
Speaker 10: The last time I was there, I didn't go this year.
Speaker 10: Last time I was there, I was like three feet
Speaker 10: away from the president.
Speaker 12: He was, you know, And.
Speaker 10: The fluidity of the movement in front of the president
Speaker 10: is really surprising. All the events I have gone to
Speaker 10: with president, that's the one that is the most fluid.
Speaker 10: That people walk right up to the President. And so
Speaker 10: it's always been a little bit unnerving that, you know,
Speaker 10: if the other unnerving quality is it's really really compact.
Speaker 10: I always thought if there was a fire in this room,
Speaker 10: half the people couldn't get out because it's so compact.
Speaker 10: So I'm a feeling that they're going to change it.
Speaker 10: They're going to probably make it left compact. There's an
Speaker 10: argument that they're going to make a single entrance not
Speaker 10: connect to hotel. But the really poignan argument, Scott, as
Speaker 10: you know, is you know this question about the new ballroom.
Speaker 10: You know, it's really interesting that.
Speaker 3: And maybe necessary, as the President has said, I mean
Speaker 3: you've got yeah, I mean it would be the most
Speaker 3: secure place in DC to do anything like this. I
Speaker 3: mean the President has been making this point. Now it's
Speaker 3: pretty obvious.
Speaker 10: Yeah, as you know, Scott, the judge that justin joined
Speaker 10: it made a note to say, well, there's not any
Speaker 10: real clear national security values.
Speaker 1: Like what Well, now you just ease to turn on
Speaker 1: the news and figure it out.
Speaker 3: The book is called Rage in the Republic, The Unfinished
Speaker 3: Story of the American Revolution. The author that voice you've
Speaker 3: been hearing, Jonathan Turtley. You see him on Fox News.
Speaker 3: He's a legend of the legal business, and we look
Speaker 3: to him and look to you often. Jonathan for your
Speaker 3: comment on legal issues of the day in our US constitution.
Speaker 3: We're grateful for your time today and we look forward
Speaker 3: to seeing you in your next appearance, which I'm sure
Speaker 3: we'll be soon given.
Speaker 1: The legal issues at play today. Appreciate it. Thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on.
Speaker 10: Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 1: Good to be with you all right.
Speaker 3: Jonathan Turley from FOXW making his inaugural appearance on The
Speaker 3: Scott Jetting Show. We'll take a break and we come back,
Speaker 3: Virginia Redistrict Team. We've got some news on that. Stay
Speaker 3: with us.
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Speaker 3: Monday, April twenty seventh, the breaking news is King Charles
Speaker 3: and Camilla have just descended the staircase and they're at
Speaker 3: Andrew's Air Force Base in Maryland. They're greeting people at
Speaker 3: the bottom of the staircase right now. They've been handed
Speaker 3: some flowers by some children. I think that's our friend
Speaker 3: Monica Crowley, the protocol officer at State who you hear
Speaker 3: on the show sometimes there is helping coordinate this visit.
Speaker 1: So the King of England and the Queen.
Speaker 3: Will head over to the White House for tea and
Speaker 3: then we'll see him over at the British Embassy this say, afternoon.
Speaker 3: I'm going over there after the show, by the way,
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Speaker 3: of the Scott Jennings show here on Monday, April the
Speaker 3: twenty seventh, We're going to get an update now from
Speaker 3: former Virginia Attorney General Ken Kouchinelli who joins us. He
Speaker 3: is part of the legal challenge that is going on
Speaker 3: against this jerrymanderd redistricting map in Virginia. It is headed
Speaker 3: to the Virginia Supreme Court. Can I see that there's
Speaker 3: a little action on this today?
Speaker 1: What can you tell us?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court heard oral argument this morning. They called
Speaker 2: a special session to do it and they heard on
Speaker 2: the argument on the twenty twenty five calendar in fractions
Speaker 2: by the Democrat General Assembly. A different case has the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six violations of the Virginia Constitution and that
Speaker 2: incredible ballot language that so many people have read. You
Speaker 2: can see it on my Twitter feed at ten Kuchinelli.
Speaker 2: But today was focused on twenty twenty five, the fact
Speaker 2: that while the Democrats gave us a forty five day
Speaker 2: election and we vote odd years, it's like y'all doing Kentucky.
Speaker 2: So we had an election last year. A million people
Speaker 2: had already voted on Halloween when they General Assembly swooped
Speaker 2: into town to pass this proposed Gerrymander amendment. And their
Speaker 2: lawyer today, he's only defense of it was, look, if
Speaker 2: you vote early, you do so at your own risk.
Speaker 2: That was the Democrats lawyer. Now the argument, and you know,
Speaker 2: Jay Jones, the Age of Virginia, has been out saying
Speaker 2: he's defending the vote outcome. Defending the vote outcome. The
Speaker 2: first question from a justice to the AG's lawyer was
Speaker 2: does the vote outcome matter for our legal analysis? Answer? No, Justice,
Speaker 2: it does not. So what j Jones has been out
Speaker 2: arguing for six days in public was immediately conceded to
Speaker 2: be irrelevant by his own lawyer at the first question.
Speaker 1: Yeah in the case.
Speaker 3: Today, Ken, so bottom line here, and you broke this
Speaker 3: news on the Scott Jenny Show last week is that
Speaker 3: it's your view, and it appears to be a more
Speaker 3: than viable argument that the Democrats here violated the Virginia
Speaker 3: Constitution's calendar mandates as it relates to a constitutional amendment,
Speaker 3: and it's not really in question.
Speaker 1: And we're going to get a ruling on this from
Speaker 1: the court pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Right, it will be pretty quick. They did briefing Thursday,
Speaker 2: two days after the referendum. They heard oral argument today.
Speaker 2: I don't ever remember a case they are going any faster,
Speaker 2: and so I wouldn't be surprised to see a ruling
Speaker 2: in two weeks or by mid bay.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: That is former Reds is lightning fast.
Speaker 1: Lightning fast.
Speaker 3: But of course people need to know because this map
Speaker 3: has passed and it radically changes the congressional districts in Virginia.
Speaker 2: So I guess see that's why they're going some fast,
Speaker 2: and I give them credit for that.
Speaker 3: All right, The former Attorney General of Virginia Kin Kochinelli.
Speaker 3: That's the voice you've been hearing.
Speaker 2: Ken.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 3: We'll keep updating with you on this as we wait
Speaker 3: for the Virginia Supreme Court while this is going on.
Speaker 3: By the way, in Virginia, which the map could be
Speaker 3: thrown out, you could revert to the old districts. We've
Speaker 3: got the situation in Florida, which we're going to track
Speaker 3: tomorrow where Governor Ron De Santis has unveiled a possible
Speaker 3: new map today and it would add four Republican seats
Speaker 3: in Florida. So we could see a real swing of
Speaker 3: momentum on redistricting towards the Republicans based on what happens
Speaker 3: over the next couple of weeks. I'm headed off to
Speaker 3: see the King of England. Thank you for listening. We'll
Speaker 3: be back on the air with you tomorrow at Scott
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